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Speaker 1: Her name was mom Uh confectionately known as mom Angie.

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Speaker 1: would have had to basically clean their clothes. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it's very difficult to believe

431
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: that you will be able to not make a mistake

432
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: and not see that unless you've had some skill into that.

433
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: So these are the things that I've been thinking about

434
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: more as I do more my investigation. My aim is

435
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: also to to apprize the community, but it's also there

436
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: to allow the house community to be aware of your

437
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: surroundings that are aware of people that you may that

438
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: are maybe service providers or people that have authority. Because

439
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: we as unhoused people know house people do not take

440
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: our cases seriously. They dismiss it. For example, when I

441
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: was in Venice, they just basically outright dismissed that house

442
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: people could do eneous crimes. But we know better. We

443
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: know that they throw rockets, they shoot arrows, they set

444
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: on house campus on fire. So this message is for

445
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: the unhoused community to be discard with the nonsense of

446
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: people that don't have lived experience and the realities of

447
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: unhoused people. We need to be able to be understand

448
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: house all house people are not are our friends, and

449
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: many of them are nimbi's. So these same ones that

450
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: are running around or having the ear of police officers

451
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: may believe in their twisted mind that they have to

452
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: support of police officers to do these kind of crimes.

453
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: This is co Henderson from Wiedian House. There'll be more

454
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: to follow them, and I hope we will meet again

455
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: in a lot of understanding. This is Ceo Henderson from

456
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Wiedian House, and we are here in San Francisco to

457
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: one of the earlier creators and one of the founders

458
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: who have had lived experience of being done house. He

459
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: is right now where Ian One of This is very

460
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: elaborate and very creative art space which activism is married

461
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: into it. So without further ado, here we are with

462
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: mister Paul Brodon, thank you for it. Yeah, thanks for

463
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: having me brother so troll us a little bit. What's

464
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: your inspiration and how did you get intertwined with this

465
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of work you do? Well. I was homeless, but

466
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: I was homeless in a really different way than most

467
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: people in terms of I was homeless the old school way.

468
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: My mom died and my father was an asshole and

469
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: kicked us out. So it was a realization that it's

470
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: no bulls to say there's two Americas, Like there's the

471
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: America that you see on TV and that they try

472
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: to convince us exist and we're all created equal and

473
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: we all have an opportunity, and that's the rich guys

474
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: and the well even the upper middle class guys like

475
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I was, and then there's the reality for poor people,

476
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: and they just ain't the same. And as somebody that

477
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: experienced both, up until I was fifteen, I was one

478
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: of the privileged white class, and then I became one

479
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: of the broke ass white class. I was still white class,

480
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: that's for goddamn sure, and I just got really fucking

481
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: pissed off. And maybe it's because I grew up so entitled.

482
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that this was how we were treating

483
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: motherfuckers in this country. And I got pissed off. And

484
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: I've been pissed off ever since. And now it's been

485
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: thirty seven years and I'm still just as pissed off,

486
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: and I'm still going to fight till we deal with

487
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: this ship once and for all. I have to say, young,

488
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: when you stated this, what was the shock when you

489
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: because you said you lived a privileged life, What was

490
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: the shock when what shook you when you became unhoused

491
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: and out on the street. What this ship you have

492
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: that made you very aware that there was a two

493
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: different American When I started helping people do the food

494
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: stamp application forms, when I was coming up off the

495
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: street and I realized I got kicked out of three

496
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: high schools. I never finished this shit, and once my

497
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: mom died, I was bouncing all over the place. And

498
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: because because of the elementary schools that I went to,

499
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: because of the junior high schools I went to, I

500
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: was hanging out with friends that had high school degrees

501
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: and couldn't fill out those applications. And that's just one example.

502
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: It was also like, you look at who's running poverty

503
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: programs and homeless programs, and you look at who's sleeping there.

504
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: It's two different worlds. What I'm qualified to earn you

505
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: money by being homeless, but I'm not qualified to get

506
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: any of that money in my pocket. So I ain't

507
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: homeless no more. When we first started out in the

508
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: early eighties, everybody working in homeless it was homeless. The

509
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: paychecks were ten thousand dollars a year. We were trying

510
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: to put ourselves out of a job. We were like,

511
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: what the fuck's going on? What are all these people

512
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: doing in the streets. You know, hospitality house had been

513
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: around for years and they used to close at eleven

514
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: o'clock at night. All of a sudden, they're closing at

515
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night, and their people, their community members

516
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: are standing there, and people are like, well, why aren't

517
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: you own home? Well I don't got to find home. Well,

518
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: crash here, brother, Like that was the mindset. Crash here,

519
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: and let's fight together to end this shit. Now thirty

520
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: seven years later, it's you know, fifty thousand, sixty thousand,

521
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars paychecks to document it and to do

522
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: intakes and to do vulnerability index and homeless management that's

523
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: not gonna end homelessness. Addressing racism and classism and neoliberalism

524
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: in America, that will end homelessness. But you think you're

525
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: gonna life skills train me, you're gonna rehabilitate me to

526
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: fit back into society, like Saint Vincent DePaul says, No,

527
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: it's society that's broke, not the people. The human beings

528
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: are human beings. They ain't broke or not broke. They're

529
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: just human beings, and we need to recognize. You know,

530
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: prior to eighty two, we didn't have massive contemporary homelessness.

531
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: We had racism, we classism, we had addiction, we had

532
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: mental illness, we had all that, yeah, at every economic tier,

533
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: but we didn't have massive homelessness. Eighty three, we were

534
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: opening shelters across the country and FEMA was funding our

535
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: own homeless programs direct connection to neoliberalism, part of the

536
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: Reagan Revolution, wiping out affordable housing funding. And now we're

537
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand units of affordable housing less than we

538
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: were before we opened our homeless programs, and we're wondering

539
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: why the our coordinated intake system isn't ending the problem.

540
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: Because your coordinated intake system is the problem. I don't

541
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: have a question too, because you've touched on some things

542
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: that I want to take a step back and examine

543
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: a little more. It is because I've noticed like that

544
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: it's been seen to be the panacea for dealing with

545
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: people that are in house is that they are believing

546
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: that if they get jobs, if they stay off drugs,

547
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: or if they stayed on their medication magically on housed,

548
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: people are going to be a house or I hear

549
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: another argument is that they are using broken systems like

550
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: the shelters and telling people just to stick it out,

551
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: swallow your pride, and to deal with what the abuse

552
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: or the toxicity that allows or that is thriving in

553
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: these places instead of dealing with the systematic errors. What

554
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: is your insight on that that when you look at poverty,

555
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: when you look at our welfare system, when you look

556
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: at our food stamp system, you look at our whatever

557
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: like Goodwill United Way. Like this goes back to the

558
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: sixties and the War on poverty, when the five oh

559
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: one c three nonprofit monsters were created in the first place.

560
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: When the federal government wants to ignore an issue or

561
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: they want to kill a revolution they funded, and when

562
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: people started organizing to fight back about the fact that

563
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: homelessness was emerging. In the early eighties, the government did

564
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: what the government did us. The government started funding homeless programs.

565
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: And as soon as the government started funding homeless programs,

566
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: first it was the local and FEMA money and who

567
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: gets it and who doesn't get it? And how much?

568
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: And what do you have to do to earn it.

569
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Like in the old days, we didn't do intakes for

570
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: a shelter bed. I don't need to know your data birth,

571
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't even need to know your real name. Quite frankly,

572
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: we don't need that for a shelter bed. But now

573
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: you in San Francisco, you got to give a finger

574
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: image so you can be tracked through the Homeless Management

575
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: system and the Vulnerability Index Coordinated intake. Both is everywhere

576
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: because the FEDS are mandating it, the FEDS are funding it,

577
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: and the FEDS are controlling what's happening at the local level.

578
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: It has an element of criminality to it. It's like

579
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: they look like they're tracking people in like a criminal

580
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: kind of setting. Like if they can pull your fingerprint

581
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: or your personal information, they can hunt you down if

582
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: they choose to. Well, I mean, think of it, thirty

583
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: seven years after the advent of contemporary homelessness, and we're

584
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: still sweeping people for sleeping outdoors, and we're still calling

585
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: it camping like hell, even calling it sweep, it's an attack.

586
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: You're displacing people from where they are. That's not a sweep,

587
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: that's an addiction. That's an attack. It's oppression, you know.

588
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: And so we use this language, Oh they're camping, I'm surviving. Mother.

589
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: I didn't decide, oh, hey, Bobby, let's go camping like

590
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: that's both, but the language is from the dominant culture.

591
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: The dominant culture is the rich white mothers, and the

592
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: system works really good for them. And so if something's

593
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: fallen out, if there's a problem somewhere in the way

594
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: the system's functioning, it's got to be the problem of

595
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: those who are being oppressed. And if the system ain't

596
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: working for you, it's because there's something wrong with you,

597
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: and we have to keep reinforcing that. And what's the

598
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: first question or per gets when they're homeless and they

599
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: go to an agency for help, name data, birth, social

600
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Security number, and then the very first question is what's

601
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: wrong with you? What's wrong with me? What's wrong with

602
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: me is I was born in a country of colonizing

603
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: motherfuckers that are implementing systems that are oppressing me. That's

604
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: what's wrong with me. And if we could address that,

605
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: you wouldn't need a homeless program, you wouldn't need nonprofit

606
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: service providers, you wouldn't need charity, because you'd have social justice.

607
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: I have a question to you, and I want your

608
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: perspective on it. There's a lot of communication and talk

609
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: going around about tiny holmes, and for me, of course,

610
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm against them because what I've seen in Los Angeles

611
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: and I see with some of the social service agencies,

612
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: there's a toxic marrying with just it's temporary, put up

613
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: with the abuse or put up with the prison type

614
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: of lifestyle until you get out of it. But we

615
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: have seen by over thirty years by now, as you

616
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: stated yourself, that that has never been been a fruitful,

617
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: fruitful solution. So what's your what's your intake on or

618
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: your take on tiny homes? I mean, from a is

619
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: this gonna get us to a place that we don't need,

620
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: that that we have housing as a human right for

621
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: all people. I don't think so. And I say that

622
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: because there's the cause and effect. We'd eliminated eight hundred

623
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: thousand units of housing, and we wiped out affordable housing funding,

624
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: and that led to contemporary homelessness, or to the level

625
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: of it that we see today. And so let's let's

626
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: deal with that. And if if people had the option

627
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: of tiny homes, hey, more power to you, because I

628
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: would take a tiny home over a fucking shelter bed

629
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. And I think talking to most homeless people,

630
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: you give me the option tiny home or a shelter bed,

631
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the tiny home every fucking time. But

632
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: I would have took an sr idea when I was

633
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: coming up, took an SRO room and I thought that

634
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: was my tiny home. You know. It's it's having your

635
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: own keys, in your own control the tiny homes. And

636
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: but that's just it. Though the tiny homes aren't. They

637
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: are having they have to have curfew, they have police.

638
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: The government funded tiny homes. I'm sorry, I'm thinking of

639
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: like Denver Homeless out Loud is part of a community

640
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: called the you know that that does tiny homes, but

641
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: the people living there are managing and running that not

642
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: exactly for the government to fund tiny homes. So that's

643
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: the distinction. So those are running around hyping the tiny homes, yeah,

644
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: because it's cheaper than actually putting a Like, first of all,

645
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: tiny homes ignores families completely, And it's ironic that we

646
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: we say a family living in an SRO no longer

647
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: counts as being homeless. They're they're poorly housed now according

648
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: to the FEDS. Like that's the kind of mindset. Well,

649
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: if we can just ignore families, they'll disappear, they'll go

650
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: away because if they're out there with their kids, will

651
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: come and take their kids home. So so like tiny

652
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: homes feeds into that, into that frame. Well, the problem

653
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: is these single it's the chronic homeless initiative. You know,

654
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: the problem is single adult visible homeless people in urban corridors.

655
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: And so some cities are talking about, well, give us

656
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: had money to do tiny homes to address the problem

657
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: of homelessness. No, mother, you know, like that's not going

658
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: to do it. And anytime your housing is contingent upon

659
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: the good graces of a fucking social worker to determine

660
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: are you rehabilitating yourself enough in order to merit living here?

661
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: You got a serious problem, Like why is it? Why

662
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: is it we're supposed to have tenant rights, but in

663
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: supportive housing programs we don't. You have to be disabled

664
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: to get into a supportive housing program, and as soon

665
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: as you act out be your disability, they kick you

666
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: the fuck out. And yet it's an eviction moratorium. The

667
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: private landlords are supposed to not be evicting people, but

668
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: our service providers still are. I was going to say

669
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: on that very wings of that, I noticed on your

670
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: file cabinet that you have homeless Bill of Rights. Can

671
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about that? Yeah, well, the

672
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: Right to Rest Act, which we did in California with

673
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: our brothers at LA Cannon, the Right to Rest Act.

674
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Look that we talked to seventeen hundred homeless people documented.

675
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: I have all seventeen hundred forms. Still I keep waiting

676
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: for somebody to say, oh, you guys are full of

677
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: let me see the forms, because I got them. So

678
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: of course no one was saying that. But and sleeping,

679
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: sitting and laying down, sleeping, sitting and standing still, we're

680
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: the top three criminal offenses that people were being hit with.

681
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: And we were talking about twelve cities, seven state, seventeen

682
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: hundred survey, and those were far in a way. So

683
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: the organizers, being what we're doing, wrote our own legislation

684
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: that we've gotten introduced in Oregon. It's running right now

685
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: in Oregon, Colorado, and California in the past, to decriminalize

686
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: the act of sleeping, laying down, sitting, standing, eating, serving food,

687
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: to decriminalize the life sustaining activities that we all do.

688
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: We're all going to sleep, we're all going to sleep, eat,

689
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: we're all going to sit down, we're all going to rest.

690
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: But some of us go to jail for resting and

691
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: others don't. And what we say is we can no

692
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: longer trust that the law is going to be enforced

693
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: equally because they're not, and they never have been. You

694
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: look at the sundown town's, the Antioaki laws, the Baserrero Treaty,

695
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: the ugly laws. This country has a long ass history

696
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: from the days of colonization to today, governments have been

697
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: given the legal authority to pass laws that they then

698
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: discriminatorily enforce. And so the Right to Rest Act is

699
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: saying to the local governments, you've abused your authority. You're

700
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: like a drunk driver that just keeps on fine drinking.

701
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: We're taking your car tees away. You can no longer

702
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: pass these laws, and you can no longer criminalize standing

703
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: still if it's a non obstructive manner, sleeping if it's

704
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: in a non obstructive manner, because the act of sleeping

705
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a crime. The act of standing still, the

706
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: act of sitting down, the act of eating, the act

707
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: of going to the bathroom, the act of going to

708
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: the goddamn bathroom. And the first time we ran the

709
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: bill in California, you know, there was editorials that said

710
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: the streets would be flowing with urine and feces, as

711
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: if that's what people want to do. Like no, so,

712
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: like we feel really strongly that everything we do in

713
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: addressing this issue and organizing and connecting with our cities

714
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: together has to be in the human rights context of

715
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: addressing the root causes of it. And the root causes

716
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: is the racism and classism and neoliberalism in America, which

717
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: brings up another question, how many people do you need

718
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: to start a revolution? Well, we made that poster for you. Yeah, yeah, no,

719
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: we we know how many people we need, and we

720
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: know we got more than enough of them because we

721
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: got what forty to fifty million people living in poverty

722
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: in this country, and one of the key aspects of

723
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: the organizing is to connect poor people that are housed

724
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: with poor people that are unhused because it's the same people.

725
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: Hope six taught us that in a nutshell, you know,

726
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: and others the Welfare reform, the Contract on America all

727
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: that Hope six was like, how could we have two

728
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: separate organizing campaigns here because the people that are currently

729
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: in housing are being made homeless. Because of Hope six,

730
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of families ended up in the industry

731
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: being given a voucher that the landlords won't take, being

732
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: given a time limit of how long you can find

733
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: a landlord to take it, while you're demolishing units of

734
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: affordable housing. Like, that's just criminal, it's callous, it's freaking brutal,

735
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: and it's criminal. It should be criminal. So I was

736
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know you're saying because many times society presidents, governors,

737
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: city council members, and elective fishus utilize to galvanize people

738
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: against poor people by stating the most things that will

739
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: get them off adultrums. And let's talking about war, war

740
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: on drugs, war on crime, war on poverty. So what

741
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, is like, how can we fight

742
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: the war at home? What do you mean when you

743
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: say fight the war at home? And uselessness? I mean

744
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: one of the key aspects in terms of how politicians

745
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 1: have been able and the mainstream media have been able

746
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: to galvanize oppressive and galvanize support for oppressive policies is

747
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: to demonize the people that are targeted with the policy.

748
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: And when you read in the newspaper, you hear on

749
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: the radio, you see it on TV, sure as hell,

750
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: see it in the internet, that were dangerous, we're drug addicts,

751
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: were mentally ill, and most importantly, we're from somewhere else. Yes,

752
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Once you've got that locked into people's heads, and this

753
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: is the most important thing about the organizing, because don't

754
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: think poor people don't read the newspaper and watch TV

755
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: and they hear it. And when at hospitality use when

756
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: I was starting out, people would come in to see

757
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: me to get help and they'd say, I'm not like

758
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: those mothers. Those mothers are crackheads. And then they would

759
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: go sit down. The next person would come in and

760
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: be pointing at them, not individually, but you know, I

761
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: like them absolutely because they buy them too. You hear

762
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: it often enough, if becomes true. If you're told from

763
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: the time you're born that you're stupid, by the time

764
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: you grow up, you're gonna be stupid. I like it

765
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: that one too, because of the earlier psychology experiments that

766
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: they did on young black kids, saying that they were

767
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: horrible and dirty and this, and the ones the kids

768
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: that work not whereas the white kids I had less.

769
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: Yesterday interviewed one of the unhoused in Oakland, and she

770
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: was regurgitating some of that internalized on how I was biased. Well,

771
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm not like those people, or I told my children

772
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: that I'm camping. I don't want them to see me

773
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: like this. So I mean we drink into those so

774
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: hard for images as well. Yeah, we look in the

775
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: mirror and we sing, well, I know it's not me,

776
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: but it must be true because I keep hearing it.

777
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: And we've been doing that around, keeping the classes, keeping

778
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: the poor from the rich from the like My way

779
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: up the ladder to security is to keep you down.

780
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 1: Like so that divide and conquered isn't just a slogan

781
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: like that is a political strategy in order to achieve

782
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: the smallest minority of people getting the greatest amount of

783
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: power and wealth and when so for me the reason

784
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: we started the Homeless Coalition, and she was like, no, no,

785
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: The problem here is they think each other are in

786
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: drug addicts. Like we need to build a collective understanding

787
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: that we're all beautiful and that's where we use our

788
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: street theater all the time and our artwork all the time,

789
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: and like our beauty is who we are and we

790
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't project that. Well, Hey, I used to be homeless.

791
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm not homeless anymore. So I'm better than you that mother.

792
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: I believe like art is one of the reasons that

793
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: keeps me going and doing this podcast to express the

794
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: medium of art through telling these stories in a humane way,

795
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: showing that there is no yardstick or means testing way.

796
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: We all are in the same boat in some respects. Actually,

797
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: I should say, in the same storm. Some of us

798
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: got life jackets, some of us are drowning, some of

799
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: us are hanging on and some of us don't even

800
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: have any clothes to be able to offset the storm.

801
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: So I feel that that's very very important. One of

802
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: the things I've been looking at here is like I

803
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: noticed that you have a connection with when you say

804
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: Earth Day, you're connecting with the environment as well with

805
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: food justice. Can you elaborate a little bit on that. Yeah,

806
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean you hear a lot of organizers talk about, well,

807
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: we need to stop silo based organizing, we need to

808
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: connect to our issues together. And it's true, and it's

809
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: a great conversation, but at some point you need to

810
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: stop talking about doing that and doing it and artwork

811
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: and the right to rest act. The right to rest

812
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: act would not just defend homeless people. Nobody could be

813
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: arrested for that. Like, I think that in all we do,

814
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: we need to make sure that we're pushing for us,

815
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: for all people. And so you know, yeah, our issues

816
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: are a myriad of issues because our issues are about

817
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: human beings and human beings what is that Audrey Lord's

818
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: awesome quote. Human beings don't live single issue lives, and

819
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: so single issue organizing isn't going to address humanity. And

820
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: in order to address the issues that we come from,

821
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: we need to connect to the other issues of oppression.

822
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: And we don't think the Native people in America are

823
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: being oppressed. Then we got a serious problem, our problem,

824
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: and so we try to manifest that. And it's easier

825
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: for us to do it with the art, you know,

826
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: and to do it with legislation and with major campaigns

827
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: were running. Once we got to the place where, like

828
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: with the Right to Rest Act, even at first we

829
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: were talking, well, we're not really criminals, and a couple

830
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: of the abolitionists, the prison industrial abolitionists, were like, so

831
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: what so it's okay to lock some people up and

832
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: not homeless people, Like what the game will we play

833
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: in here? And it was just like, oh yeah, man,

834
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: we need to watch our language. We need to watch

835
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: how we're framing our reality, because our reality should be

836
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: all of us and should encompass all of our issues

837
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: and not be single issue based. So here it is

838
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: is sech, how many people do you need to start

839
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: a revolution? I believe one person at a time can

840
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: be able to open the door and to inspire many people.

841
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: And here it is mister Paul Broden has to hit

842
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: thirty seven years of experience and he has some insightful words.

843
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: Mister Broding, I thank you for your time, and I

844
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: was going to say do you have anything else to

845
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: say before I logged off? Well, just that people should

846
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: recognize thirty seven years of experience of getting your kicked.

847
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: Don't make you an experience issue that you're talking about.

848
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: So sold I say, is this ship I've learned over

849
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: time and the ship that I've seen from the awesome

850
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: groups like l A Can and Denver Homess that Loud

851
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: and the Homeless Coalation, you know, like it's we all,

852
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: we're all learning as we can go. This is Steo

853
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: Henderson from Wiedi and Howells and we've learned a lot

854
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: here and I thank you all for listening, and may

855
00:51:20,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: we again meet in the light of understanding. One of

856
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: the loss of workers have stated that they can talk

857
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: to Whiti and Howse. Interesting, here's a person an organization

858
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be dealing with unhoused people, and you

859
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: can't communicate with unhoused people that are concerned about unhoused equality.

860
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: So that tells you exactly just a full extent of

861
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: loss and their power that they have. So Bill, what's

862
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: going on? Tell me? They just informed me that they

863
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: got a place for us. They told me that they

864
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: built a place for all these people here. But they

865
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: have not gave me rules and no regulations. They say,

866
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: grab two bags and come with me, And there ain't

867
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: no way in hell I'm gonna grab two bags and

868
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: go with them. It's the facility looks nice and all that,

869
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: but you know, but what about everybody else? Everybody else

870
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: is man. These people are these people's homes. I don't

871
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: know what nobody in charge. I told them, bring somebody

872
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: in charge and let me. I'll be able to you

873
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: go between so we could figure out something. But they

874
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: got the roles and regulations. They're gonna set it in

875
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: stone already, and these people don't ain't gonna compie to

876
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: none of that because these people are not the normal

877
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: people were prisoner. Well, we're being told what to do.

878
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: I am not gonna get pushed into a battle and

879
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: they escuirt it out that are in I'm gonna do it.

880
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: I did it in Port and I ain't gonna do

881
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: it here. Uh. That facility is great. Need to get

882
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: cancer out of me. I need my medical I need

883
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: all this. I need that place as as bad as

884
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: I can. But I'm not going to abandon these people,

885
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: my friends for a height. These are your These are

886
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: your friends and your neighbors, and it's understandable you want

887
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: them to be at the same services. This is my family.

888
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: This is where I grow up. This is my people

889
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: from my or or my school. All the rich, poor

890
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: and everything are right here. My error is all here.

891
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: And uh, how old are you a bill? Fifty four?

892
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so here they went to this office. They

893
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: wanted us out of here, or say, well, okay, we

894
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: need a place. He said, all right, they built us.

895
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: But now they throw the rules that I say, give

896
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: me a paper, the rules that we're allowed. They can't

897
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: even hand me a paper because that's Lay County and

898
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: I'm going I need a paper. I need to show

899
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: these people this is what you can have. We can't

900
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: have this this They got these all the stuff, but

901
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: they're saying, grab two bags, man, I got more, and

902
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: two bags, dude, I got opposite stub I got. They're

903
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna go through all your stuff before we go in. Now,

904
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna happen. That's already right down off the bat.

905
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: There's already strike one. You ain't gonna go through my shop.

906
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: These people got to move from there to there. Let

907
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: them do the transition, and then we work it out

908
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: from there, and then we work with them. But they won't.

909
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: They don't want to do it. They want us to comply,

910
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: and then they do their thing. No, they got to

911
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: comply to us. That's perfectly that's perfectly reasonable, and I

912
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: definitely agree. Everybody's ready to go. Everybody's ready to go.

913
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to go. But now they're picking and choosing,

914
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: given certain rules to me. They lied to me at

915
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: the first they said I had a housing. They sign

916
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: the papers, right, they lied to me. He said, oh,

917
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. You're a first one in line. The

918
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: last one now this time is no. You gave these

919
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: people this place. Now given them the place. These people

920
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 1: have to be themselves at that place, and then we'll

921
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: conform to you. You don't just bid and then were

922
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to conform the That ain't gonna happen.

923
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: It's just like jealous system. Just like any other system

924
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: that you have tacond place. You've got rules, regulations, all that, yes,

925
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: but we have ours to There's a wonderful group that

926
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: would come out that had been living in Project Room

927
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: Key and some of them ent those tiny sheds they

928
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: call themselves. It's the unhoused tennants against Carto housing. There's

929
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: very same issues that you're talking about. They are getting

930
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: a group together and we're protesting and trying to meet

931
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: with the mayor and LASSA and these contracts they're making

932
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: these places so we can't go into it. So it

933
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: will keep their business going and say that we're service resistant.

934
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: It's a business, a multi billion dollar business. They got

935
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: to keep it blowing. So they ain't gonna go and

936
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: get what about the guy that's pushing a sharping cart

937
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: down the street. He ain't gonna have he's off and

938
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna put him in the nert. But you

939
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: gotta conform. And now, all right, these people have been

940
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: wanting to get in the housing for so long. What

941
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: if you have other people like you say, I have

942
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: a bit of the issues also would have substance issues.

943
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: They just not magically gonna get sobered they have. It

944
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: has to be a program for them. Now, this is

945
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: a mental This is a mental problem that they created

946
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: because the drugs and all that. They When you get

947
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: kicked to the curb and you get put into a

948
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: situation and you have to go through all this and

949
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: this is the this is the outcome of what you've made.

950
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: And then now all of a sudden, they know you

951
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: gotta you're squeezing it more into where you're trying to

952
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: make them do something that's not them, and they're not

953
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: gonna do it. You're gonna go get this place. You

954
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: built that for us, You built that place for us.

955
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: Let us go there, Let us move in and then

956
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: move talk. Don't sit there and pick and choose. You

957
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: can't pick and choose on these people. Man, you're not

958
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna pick. She can't go. You can go. You can't go.

959
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: You can go because when one pictures her ass and

960
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: one spart's a nerve's sleep or whatever the part, you

961
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: cannot pick and choose. These are the people in the street,

962
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: and these people everybody deserve believe in me, and they

963
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: believe in what I can do. And I know I

964
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: could do this, but they gotta they gotta turn. They get, man,

965
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: you gotta throw your rule bug down into the fucking garbage.

966
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: You gotta throw that ship in the garbage and then

967
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: we sit down and negotiating. Thank you, stuff done. I

968
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: could do it, but they won't. Let they want to

969
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: be in charge, like they wanted to pack two bags

970
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: and go. I ain't gonna do it. I got my

971
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: I got my cancer, my residency, my address is here.

972
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna get my medical. I have

973
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: to do all this help on my own. I'm gonna

974
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: live on the street, live in the dirt, and I'm

975
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: gonna go get operations done and go back out here

976
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: to the dirt because they I'm allowed two bags, four

977
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: pair of pants, three shocks, three shirts and all that. Man,

978
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: and this is like preschool. I'm not in school. I'm

979
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: an old man, worse man. We have our own way

980
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: a living because we're forced to this, and we can

981
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: make a new life for us. But they won't give

982
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: us a chance. They don't. They got to keep their

983
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: job going. That's a job without us. They were on

984
00:59:52,560 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: the street, so they make us, They make us rebel

985
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: so they keep their job. Is it that like a

986
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: double edged sword? Yes it is, but it's the only

987
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: ones that are hurting is us, and we're dying. Left

988
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: them light. This is Stell Henderson from williing the house.

989
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: Thank you bill for tellers. No, that's okay, I understand

990
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: you have every right to express your frustration. Everybody's waiting

991
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: for this day. Everybody's waiting for this day to get

992
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: into replace and we can. We I said, we will.

993
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: How we will have on our way of living and

994
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: we will conform to it. We have our rules, we

995
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: will do this. And you can see uh Losses just

996
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: pulled back up again. And now it's all like, oh,

997
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: you got to do this. This is man. You're gonna

998
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: tell people like that? What are they gonna say to you?

999
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: This is Stell Henderson from Widing House. I was interviewing

1000
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: Bill Uh. While I was about asking mister Bill some questions,

1001
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: lost of employees jumped up and said that they cannot

1002
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: speak with being witty in house, and I wanted to

1003
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: point out that it drove off and then they return,

1004
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: and I also wanted to point out here is one

1005
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: of the issues of the problems. Here is a system

1006
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be working with unhoused people, and because

1007
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm here interviewing people are fighting out from their own

1008
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: words unhoused people instead of the opposite end. They are

1009
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: wanting to dictate the narrative of how they treat unhoused people. Well,

1010
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: weedi in house definitely don't do that. We make sure

1011
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: that we get it from the voices of unhoused If

1012
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: you heard it here from the unhoused person, not some

1013
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: sound bite and not some egregious, egregious kind of behavior

1014
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: that LASA has basically been instructing other people to not

1015
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: interact instead of being honest about that they are limited

1016
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: or they don't have the services, and then also listening

1017
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: to the unhoused voices and dictating and dismantling these carceral rules.

1018
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: They don't want to do that. They want you to

1019
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: go into a prison, and you're not in jail. This

1020
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: is Stel Henderson from William House and this is unhoused news.

1021
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: Our top story is Los Angeles is undergoing a heat

1022
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: wave and it is very important for people to put

1023
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: water bottles in their refrigerator to give children water or

1024
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: ice packs as well for unhoused people in this heat.

1025
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: In June fifteenth, that was a forest fire that had

1026
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: caused the world the sky to have aze and would

1027
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: make it very difficult to navigate and breathe fuddy on

1028
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: house through out here at twenty four hours to day.

1029
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: The second story is heath wave. Why are the deluding

1030
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: stations so far away? Los Angeles has had over to

1031
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: ten deaths a day with unhoused people yet last year,

1032
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: and it looks like by the things the state of things,

1033
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: that there will be more unhoused depths due to the Heathway. Meanwhile,

1034
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: and Joe busk Guyano's district tiny shares opened this week.

1035
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: As of this reported, only one person was admitted. Given

1036
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: Buskiano's anti unhoused sentiment and the carcoral rules that are

1037
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: attached to tiny shares along with Project room Key, some

1038
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: of her unhoused residents were reluctant to try. Upon interviewing

1039
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: other unhoused residents that were interested in getting out of

1040
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: the unforgiving key, it was it revealed that many of

1041
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: the unhoused residents were not approached to enter the tiny

1042
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: sheds upon my investigation. When I approached one of the

1043
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: residents to speak with them, one of your un lots

1044
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: of residents employees basically stated that we're not supposed to

1045
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: talk to you. Now, I wasn't interviewing him. But the

1046
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: idea that they are are dramatically acting aggressive to people

1047
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: that are making sure that unhouse people are treated as

1048
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: human beings is just one of the many problems that

1049
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: are going on that besets LOSSU. In other news, Joe

1050
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: bus Guyaner will be violently displacing the unhouse residents on

1051
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: Lmito Boulevard and McCoy Avenue, Thursday, June twelfth, twenty twenty one,

1052
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: at six o'clock in the morning. The last week Joe

1053
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: Buzskuyaner was offers along with loss of workers, were laughing

1054
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: and joking around while unhoused people's belongings were tossed in

1055
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: the trash. When one resident became visibly upset, they stick

1056
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: the lapd on the resident. Everything's on the Monday day.

1057
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: Everything it's on the Monday day. That's exactly. Everything is

1058
01:04:52,720 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: on the mother thing, y'all. Now that people shake the

1059
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: thanks of the shake the banks of the foot. Yes,