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Speaker 2: Alright, let's you live on a first Friday Miraicle edition

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Speaker 2: of Cleveland Brown's Daily. I am merely bow. He is

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Speaker 2: the great z. I don't even care that it's called baby.

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Speaker 2: There's an orbit in this. It's sonny, it's the gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Reminds me of the golden dome worn by our.

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Speaker 2: New offensive coordinator. Oh baby, oh baby, how did that happen?

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Speaker 2: Is that breaking news.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday? It was breaking news today.

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Speaker 2: Look at g Ben just is just really shaking his

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Speaker 3: If today it is official news, official news, official news,

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Speaker 3: official news of the day, lots of news of the day. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: making it turn officially official, The brown said on their

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Speaker 3: post one hour ago, officially official. We have named Tommy

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Speaker 3: Reese as our new offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, bright young coach. Huge coup to

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Speaker 2: keep him in the house. We know that he was

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Speaker 2: coveted around the league, coveted at North Carolina. Pretty wild

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Speaker 2: that if Belichick says no, they may have gone Tommy

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Speaker 2: Reese as the number two to run that program. So

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Speaker 2: it gives you an idea of how impressive the young

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Speaker 2: man is. My secondhand knowledge of how impressive he is

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Speaker 2: came for my buddy mister Laurniitis, who was on the

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Speaker 2: staff at him with him at Notre Dame and Tommy

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Speaker 2: got the job at Alabama. Three said to me, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna just fine there, and he did. He goes

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Speaker 2: He's scheme stuffs unbelievable. His rhythm for play calling is unbelievable, believable,

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Speaker 2: has a real good feel for it. We saw that

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Speaker 2: at Alabama immediately. Not immediately, it took a little while,

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Speaker 2: but second half of that year Jalen Miller Milroe really

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Speaker 2: took off. And so I remember when we hired him thinking, well,

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Speaker 2: that's a bright young mind, and that's a big hit

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Speaker 2: and now just an expanded role for him. And as

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Speaker 2: you articulated yesterday when this was merely a report, that

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Speaker 2: that his his acumen with young quarterbacks specifically would feel

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Speaker 2: like a no brainer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it certainly does feel like a

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Speaker 3: no brainer. His familiarity with not only the college game,

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Speaker 3: where he's been in o C in the last few

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Speaker 3: years before coming to the NFL as our tight ends

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Speaker 3: coach again a great get to add him to that

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Speaker 3: staff last season. Also his familiarity with those concepts, and

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Speaker 3: just fact that he's thirty two, he was a college

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Speaker 3: quarterback not that long ago. No, yeah, and he certainly

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Speaker 3: can relate to you know whoever the Browns tab to

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Speaker 3: be that young quarterback of the president and future. I

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Speaker 3: think there are a lot of people out there connecting saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I think that's an erroneous assumption. I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying they're not going to get him, but I

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Speaker 3: don't think it's an automatically I don't think they're linked

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Speaker 3: in any way. I think he'll have the best evaluation

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Speaker 3: of him that you could have in this building, so

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Speaker 3: you'll have you'll know exactly where you would want to

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Speaker 3: slot him on your draft board. But I think the

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Speaker 3: notion that that means that now that's going to be

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Speaker 3: our quarterback, I think that's a bit premature.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tommy played like that.

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Speaker 3: I would block it like I was.

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Speaker 2: Blocked it like Steve Timmins could block to you remember

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Speaker 2: Steve Timmins. Oh yeah, cartch kry.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did come on?

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Speaker 2: That was what a squad. That was great hair game,

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Speaker 2: up married to the tool time girl on that What

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Speaker 2: was that sitcom Tim Allen did Home Improved that one? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if memory served. Tommy played four seasons at Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: twos as the starter, was played in spot duty as

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Speaker 2: He was on that staff under Brian Kelly, on that

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Speaker 2: and so that is very good news.

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Speaker 3: Yes on that side. Yes, indeed, I got a quote

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Speaker 3: for you. Oh yeah, yeah, let's do a quote from

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Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski. He said, and I quote, Tommy has an

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Speaker 3: incredible football mind. He's extremely bright. He's been around the

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Speaker 3: himself as one of the top assistant coaches in college football.

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Speaker 3: Last season, he transitioned to our tight end room in

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Speaker 3: Due to injuries, there was a lot of uncertainty at

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Speaker 3: despite in some cases only being with the team for

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Speaker 3: a short period of time. Blake Whiteheart comes to mind. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: innovation is such a critical element to the offensive game

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Speaker 3: planning process, and Tommy brings that. Our intent is to

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Speaker 3: build a sound and explosive offense that will put points

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Speaker 3: Tommy to reshape the Browns offense in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: So just kind of give the quick background again. Twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three, Alabama's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. They won

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Speaker 3: the SEC Championship Game, the adventure of the College Football Playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Six seasons as a coach at Notre Dame, first coaching

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks and adding the roles offensive coordinator, where He held

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Speaker 3: it for twenty twenty one and twenty two, and his

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Speaker 3: three years there as a coordinator, the team average one

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Speaker 3: thirty points per game each season and advanced the College

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Speaker 3: and develop a number of future NFL draft picks at

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Michael Meyer, Kyron Williams, Liam Eichenberg, Tommy Tremble,

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Speaker 3: Robert Hainsey, he and Booke Ben's Garnick. Under Reese's guidance

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Speaker 3: book finished Notre Dame is the winningest signal caller in

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Speaker 3: that's not to say that Reese no slouch himself. He's

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Speaker 3: second in Notre Dame history and touchdown passes third in

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Speaker 2: That part mean part of it. That's an interesting wrinkle. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He was an offensive assistant. First NFL job twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, that's great, that's it. It's a

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Speaker 2: nice resumes. It's a you know, I think that when

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Speaker 2: Knocks the way that they've they did the one led yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I talked to you this morning had no idea that

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Speaker 2: aind Siciliano he was on it that there was potentially

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Speaker 2: this off season We will talk about a thousand different

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Speaker 2: machinations of this, but the two things that our job

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Speaker 2: one in one a and they are absolutely linked, is

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Speaker 2: quarterback and what are the Cleveland Browns offensively? What is it?

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? We know what it was for

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Speaker 2: Kevin during the majority of his time here, it was

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Speaker 2: something different last year. We all know why it was

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Speaker 2: something different. I assumed that they would go back to

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Speaker 2: what we were previously, the wide zone and the play

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Speaker 2: action and all of the things in that Kubiak Shanahan

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Speaker 2: tree that is is under that. I assume that would

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Speaker 2: be the case, and then Tommy would be able to

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Speaker 2: or things that he is implemented and perhaps put those

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Speaker 2: wrinkles in there. But in terms of an offensive identity,

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Speaker 2: that's what this team would be. And those two things

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Speaker 2: are absolutely linked. And honestly, everything else this offseason is

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Speaker 3: It's the only thing.

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Speaker 2: It'lorous. That is all that there is.

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Speaker 3: And we are going to have lots of time to

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do any of those, No me neither.

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Speaker 3: I'll talk in a very calm, rational manner. I'll do

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Speaker 3: some film study, but to see kind of what that

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Speaker 3: my friend. That's what this whole off season and quite

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Speaker 3: frankly every subsequent off season until you have an answer.

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Speaker 3: That's all the matters. That's all the matters. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this as let me

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Speaker 3: hold on, let me before I get yelled at, if

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Speaker 3: I didn't, if I'm spoil anything. Nope, nope, We're still

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Speaker 3: and we're good. Dane Brugler released a two round mock

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Speaker 3: draft today. Okay, and I'm sure at some point we

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Speaker 3: wanted to dissect that in a much more in depth manner.

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Speaker 3: But what I will tell you is he has the

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Speaker 3: at two and taking Abdul Carter from Penn State. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Edge Giants then take Travis Hunter. T Mac goes to

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Speaker 3: whether that be us, will make them come get him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So he has the Giants passing.

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Speaker 3: He has the Giants passing and taking Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 2: So what are the Giants going to do? Run the

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Speaker 2: single wing? Yeah, I don't know who, Like, they don't

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Speaker 2: have any quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: No, they do not. I guess in frequency, maybe they'll

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Speaker 3: bring back Danny Dimes.

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Speaker 3: Don't if Drew Locke, I guess, oh come on, Tommy DeVito.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't see any scenario how I love Dane.

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Speaker 2: I don't see any scenario how the Giants would not

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Speaker 3: If so, the thing to me that was the most

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Speaker 3: interesting about this. And I know we've seen within the

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Speaker 3: last hour that Quinn youres has said I am going

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Speaker 3: in I'm going I'm going And now I don't know

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Speaker 3: if that was factored into this particular draft, but what

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Speaker 3: I will say is the only other quarterback who goes

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Speaker 3: in the first or second round is mill Row. He

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Speaker 3: has Milrow going to the Giants in the second pick

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Speaker 3: thirty four. No Jackson Dart in the second round. Yep,

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Speaker 3: no Quinnures in the second round. No Will Howard obviously,

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Speaker 3: no other quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: That's the list in terms of the top two rounds.

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Speaker 3: So three quarterbacks go in the top two rounds.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Can you do you want to do a

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Speaker 2: little thought experiment? With me. I know you do.

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Speaker 3: Nothing would make me happy?

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Speaker 2: Why then ask? Yeah, I know the answer to that.

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's a big number because it is very difficult.

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Speaker 2: It's everything.

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Speaker 3: That position is everything in the National Football League, and

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Speaker 3: That's all that matters. Now, there are guys that there

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Speaker 2: Okay, So just he was a big time prospect in

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Speaker 3: No, then you're in the Darnald will be starting somewhere.

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Speaker 3: They were both kind of playoff games.

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Speaker 2: Both were playoff games. Absolutely, you drafted the future, but

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Speaker 3: He Johnson by the way from mister Siciliano Chiming and

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Speaker 2: There's the connect.

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Speaker 3: But nonetheless, if he likes if he when you're taking

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Speaker 2: You know. The other thing is Ben Johnson has the

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Speaker 2: And so we remember Urban saying, well, I want two

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Speaker 2: maybe is just as bad or worse. Urban at least

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Speaker 3: So he went I mean, not good, but he did

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and two Washington at that time, Redskins. They picked

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Speaker 2: about it, because how good Jimmy was in Dallas. But

436
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Speaker 2: what Jimmy Johnson was so smart about that maybe by

437
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Speaker 2: the time Spurrier and Meyer got there. People realized was

438
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: that Jimmy took advantage of the fact that he knew

439
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Speaker 2: so many of these players because he that was before

440
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: scouting departments were huge like they are now, like armies

441
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Speaker 2: of humans, like, he had the intellectual knowledge of recruiting

442
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Speaker 2: so many of these kids through the eighties at University

443
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: of Miami, and that's where his that's where his advantage

444
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: came in. And by the time the talent, yeah, the

445
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 2: talion and evaluator part of it. And so by the

446
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 2: time Spurrier and eventually Urban got there, that was cooked

447
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: because everybody knew everybody knows who's good. Yes, the only

448
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: position nobody knows about is quarterback. Everything else you can

449
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 2: there's misses here and there on stuff you don't know,

450
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: a guy's heart desire that stuff. But by and large,

451
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: like you know who the dudes are. Absolutely, Absolutely, we

452
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 2: had a Monday Night or it wasn't good either. It

453
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: was the Rams over the Vikes twenty seven to nine.

454
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Speaker 2: The most interesting part of this is the Donald part

455
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 2: of it, and we've talked about a little bit recently

456
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: in the last ten minutes or so, with just this

457
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: notion of there was a chance when it felt like, well,

458
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: they have to extend him, and now it feels like

459
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: they won't unless they don't think McCarthy can play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's that's the thing, right, It's gosh, the

461
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: NFL season is long. Sam Darnald Wimber, we did guess

462
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Speaker 3: the stats with him, had a heck of a year. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 3: But in the two games where it mattered the most,

464
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 3: he wasn't great. I will say, I know some of

465
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Speaker 3: it was his fault, and I've read some kind of

466
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Speaker 3: oral histories of some of the plays that did not

467
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 3: go well, that he had answers on the plays but

468
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: didn't take them and held the ball. First half he

469
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: got sax six times. He was thirteen of sixteen at

470
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: the half and he was sax six times. He was

471
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Speaker 3: getting rocked repeatedly.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

473
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Speaker 3: Some of that's on the offensive line, some of that's

474
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: on the scheme and the preparation. And but that cost

475
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 3: him a lot of money. That cost him a lot

476
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Speaker 3: of money this two games. Because the reality is, it

477
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: feels like at his best he is in the class

478
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Speaker 3: of quarterback that we talked about yesterday.

479
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Speaker 2: That's shown to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, he can be good enough and he can

481
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Speaker 3: guide you to a successful winning season, but that he

482
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: is not. You're as closely getting super Bowl with him

483
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: as your quarterback as you are with me. And that's

484
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: that's the weird balance in the NFL now, is that

485
00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: you've got Pittsburgh hasn't won a playoff game since the

486
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Speaker 3: Browns of one a playoff game more recently than the

487
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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers too, and yet they are.

488
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Speaker 4: In.

489
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: They have a winning record every year.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're in the playoffs quite a bit, and everybody there,

491
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: people are want him out of there now. I think

492
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: he has gotten the most. I thought that was a

493
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: bad roster to Yeah, I think he should be more

494
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: upset with the general manager there than you would be

495
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Speaker 3: with the head coach.

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Speaker 2: But and it'll be they are. Maybe that's why he's there.

497
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: Maybe they're very well aware of that.

498
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Speaker 3: And even I think even in a place like Soon,

499
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: you know you had the Rams with back in the

500
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Speaker 3: day with Jeff Fisher nine and seven, nine and seven,

501
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: nine and seven, it was a joke like we're ye

502
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Speaker 3: have this nine and seven bs. Eventually Tampa, I think

503
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: they were thought they were going to go from being

504
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: Brady to irrelevant. They're gonna say, okay, well, we're winning divisions,

505
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: but then eventually they're gonna get the point where we

506
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: need to be doing more.

507
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Speaker 2: That's the hard part.

508
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: Where do you either it's a have or a have

509
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: not league, and there is a middle class that is

510
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: certainly competent and you can win with. And I think that,

511
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: for example, I know how much Gibbas pounding the table.

512
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: You know, Danny Dimes has taken a team to the playoffs.

513
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: He's won a road playoff game, right, He's somebody that

514
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: could end up coming in here, probably running our offense

515
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: if we don't end up taking a quarterback early. Again,

516
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Speaker 3: I think that number two pick has got to result

517
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 3: in your quarterback. However you want it to get there,

518
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: that's fine. But he's somebody where Okay, maybe we can win,

519
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 3: we can be successful, But then you look around and say,

520
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: are we are we going to go through two or

521
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: three of in a row? Burrow Jackson, Alan Mahomes, it's two, no,

522
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 3: is the answer. Tell me where you sit on this,

523
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 3: because it's also not.

524
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Speaker 2: It is important that that and there is value in

525
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: being a nine and even ten and ten and seven,

526
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: nine and eight, eleven and six can't win the super

527
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: Bowl team. There's great value to your fans, there's great

528
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: value in the culture that you build around success and winning,

529
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: and those things matter. This is kind of as you

530
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: were talking, This is kind of the line that came

531
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Speaker 2: to my head. It's valuable until it's not. Yep. And

532
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, it's right. The people at some

533
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: point have had enough like what the hellm is is? OK? Like,

534
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: let's go do it like And the difference between that

535
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: is is the team like so Pittsburgh, Seattle, Tampa, those teams,

536
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: it's valuable to have fun games for your fans, and

537
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: we're in the let's make the playoffs and hang a

538
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: banner and all these things, get into the postseason, have

539
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: a playoff game to sell all of that stuff. All

540
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: that's exciting, But then inevitably you look up and you go, well,

541
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: wait a second, like Kansas City and and these they're

542
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 2: winning it. They're getting to super Bowls, they're winning like

543
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: we want that yep. And that's the part that it's

544
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: really tricky. And I think the difference between the teams

545
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Speaker 2: that I mentioned, Tampa, Bay, Pittsburgh, Seattle are the three

546
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: that come to mind. And even a team like Buffalo

547
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: or Cincinnati is if Cincinnati were in the postseason in

548
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: place of Pittsburgh, you would have gone.

549
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: They have a chance to win Super Bowl.

550
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: Buckle up, yeah, Baltimore. Yeah, and if they get in, yeah,

551
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: they can go to Kansas City and win. I've seen

552
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: them do it. They can do that, no doubt. And

553
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Speaker 2: that's what the quarterback does.

554
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

555
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Speaker 2: So while Cincinnati hasn't made the playoffs the last two years,

556
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: first last year because of injury and then this most

557
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: recent season just because of just how brutally they started

558
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: and now bad their defense was for much of the season,

559
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: they're like a tweak or two away from go win

560
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. And that's the same thing in Buffalo

561
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Speaker 2: and all of the places where you have that guy. Yep.

562
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Speaker 3: That's yes. So that's the thing. It's like, it's where

563
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: do I sit on that. You need to be in

564
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Speaker 3: that group and until you're not. Until you are in

565
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: that group, you need to be aggressive. Which goes back

566
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Speaker 3: to the Browns are in the situation they're in now

567
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: is because they felt like they had to take that

568
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: swing to get in that group.

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Speaker 2: They did.

570
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Speaker 3: It did not work out. The level of play was

571
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: not what anybody would have expected. Despite the baggage. The

572
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Speaker 3: level of play on the field was not what anybody expected,

573
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Speaker 3: and so you're not in that group and so you

574
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: have to be aggressive once again to try to get

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Speaker 3: into that group.

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Speaker 2: It's also really difficult because there is no surefire way

577
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: to get into the group.

578
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: Tell you have to draft. Look like you have to

579
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: draft one and if draft one and you got to

580
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: hit and by the way, you probably have to take

581
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Speaker 3: that person early.

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Speaker 2: Mostly Yeah, yeah, I mean we went over it. There's

583
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: it's seven first round picks and one second round pick

584
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: that are still playing. So yeah, if there's there's guys there,

585
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta do it. Yeah, it's tricky.

586
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: It's really exactly where you are now, Like you've.

587
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: Gotta and then when the quarterback's ready, you got to

588
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: have a roster that's around him. That's why we like

589
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: the Chicago situation because they have if they get the

590
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: right coach hired there, they have all this talent and

591
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: he's in there. And Washington was a similar way like

592
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: actually kind of had everything with the quarterback. They're kind

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Speaker 2: of ready to go. Then to get the right quarterback

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Speaker 2: and let's go. Yep. Yeah, it's that Denver was like that.

595
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: Atlanta's like that. All of those teams, like they have

596
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: weaponry and then they get the quarterback and now you theoretically,

597
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: now you can you got a shot. Yeah. New England

598
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Speaker 2: the other way.

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Speaker 3: All the money in a quarterback, right, they're not going

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Speaker 3: to be playing.

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Speaker 2: New England's the only one that went kind of the

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Speaker 2: other way, which is draft the quarterback first and then

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Speaker 2: try to build around.

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Speaker 3: It, which means you have to do that very quickly, quickly. Yeah,

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00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: they got a lot of money though, they do.

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Speaker 2: Time for our position review, and we are talking about

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Speaker 2: the special teams unit outside of Corey by Yorkez and Charlie,

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Speaker 2: who's used it as a prettydang good job. This is

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Speaker 2: tough tough sled this year for Bubba's Boys. Boy was it?

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Speaker 2: It was a very tough sled, uh this season? And

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00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: you know you had long snapper was good.

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00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: You had Charlie Hewlett who ended up on IR with

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Speaker 3: a rib injury on October ninth after having appeared in

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty two consecutive games. And see him

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Speaker 3: around here, and you love Charlie and you just wonder

631
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Speaker 3: kind of what the future is there? He has a

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00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: cap hit of one point four million next season. Rex Sunahara,

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00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: exclusive rights free agent, took over and pretty much was

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00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: the guy the whole season, local kid and did a

635
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 3: good job as far as certainly that we know. There

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00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: were no bad snaps or no issues from that regard.

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Speaker 3: So that'll be kind of interesting to watch. Charlie's been

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00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: a real staple here but a team and I hope

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00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: that Charlie is here. Rex was great, great kid, and

640
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: obviously you like his story. You hope he's here as well.

641
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: But the reality is you probably can only have one

642
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: long snapper. Now you may have two in the camp

643
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: and make a decision there, but you know, you're a

644
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: team that's got to watch your pennies in certain areas

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00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: and be able to save you know, five hundred thousand

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00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: and a half a million dollars. It's probably appealing if

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00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: there was not a drop off or a significant dry

648
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: off in the performance there. Corey Bojorkez was great for you,

649
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: outstanding longest punt in the NFL leed League and punting

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Speaker 3: yards led league and punts inside the ten was in

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Speaker 3: the top five, and punts inside the twenty in terms

652
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Speaker 3: of just you know, the leg was able to change

653
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: the game. He missed a few punts, but I mean, overall,

654
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: his body of work I thought was exceptional this season.

655
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: Forty nine point three yards per punt, forty one net,

656
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: to have thirty six inside the twenty, to have sixteen

657
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: inside the ten and only seven touchbacks. I think is

658
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: pretty darn good. If you look at Corey in terms

659
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: of his time here with the Cleveland Browns, he's been very,

660
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: very consistent.

661
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: Forty eight point.

662
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: Five yards, forty nine point four, forty nine point three,

663
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: forty point five, forty two point two net forty one

664
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: point one. So he has been exceptional. You look forward

665
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: to that continuing career high for him, thirty six punts

666
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: inside the twenty. Career high for him, sixteen punts inside

667
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: the ten, and again we said that he led the

668
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: National Football League in that category kicking just ever would

669
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: have seen it coming, No, and he missed a couple

670
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: more that were wiped out on penalty. And you had

671
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: just signed d Hop to a big deal. He's going

672
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: to be costing quite a bit of money next year,

673
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: almost three million. You need him to get back to

674
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: the guy that he was the year before, and really

675
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: the guy that he's been for the most part prior

676
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: to this. I mean, sixty six point seven percent that

677
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: is his worst season in the NFL. He had one

678
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: other that was sub eighty percent, that was seventy nine

679
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: point four, but for the most parts in twenty twenty one,

680
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: eighty eight percent twenty twenty two, nine twenty twenty three,

681
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: ninety one point seven percent. It's kind of just unfathomable

682
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: that he would fall off in this manner to be

683
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: inside it's one thing, you know, from fifty plus for

684
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: his career, you know, he's a little bit better than

685
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 3: fifty percent, but that's because he's twelve of his last sixteen.

686
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: Prior to that, he was not fifty percent. He was

687
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: like he was based exactly for percent. He was fifteen

688
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: for thirty. Now he's twenty something for forty six. But

689
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: this is somebody who had been really good inside of

690
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: fifty yards to go five for eight, six for seven,

691
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 3: and three of four, which is nine of eleven and

692
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: fourteen of nineteen fourteen of nineteen inside of fifty yards,

693
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 3: he's a ninety percent kicker his whole career in that range.

694
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: That is a shocking, shocking one. He's only missed twice

695
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: in his whole career from inside of thirty yards, and

696
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: he did that once this year.

697
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Really I think he.

698
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: Did twice because there's a penalty that wiped missed it again. Uh,

699
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: just obviously the mental thing something happened there with d

700
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: hop and you know, hopefully he can get it back

701
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: because you're into him for some money, so you kind

702
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: of need him to be good there.

703
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: The other thing you thought that that we were so

704
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: excited about was this new kickoff and what it would

705
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: all look like, and that was not easy sledding for

706
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 2: us as well in terms of giving up and also

707
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: taking advantage of it on our end offensively.

708
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 3: No, and I can I can go into going into

709
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: week seventeen and we didn't give up to my recollection

710
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: a big one. But going in to week seventeen, here's

711
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: where we were. Our kickoff return average was twenty four

712
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: point one yards. That ranked thirty first in the NFL,

713
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: second to last, so we did not have much juice

714
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: there at all. We had the one long by Jerome Ford,

715
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: the fifty six yard or that was our best return

716
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: on the season. We gave up twenty seven point two

717
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: yards per return, which was actually thirteenth, so top half

718
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: of the league in terms of our coverage team, but

719
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: we did give up the one kick return touchdown. On

720
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: punt returns, we averaged ten yards per punt return, which

721
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: was fourteenth in the league, and we allowed thirteen point

722
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: nine with a touchdown, which wasteth so we were bottom

723
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: three in the league and kickoff returns generated and punt

724
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: returns allowed, and we were middle of the league in

725
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: terms of punt return yardage and kick return yardage allowed.

726
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: That's just unfortunately, that's.

727
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: Not good enough. That's not good enough.

728
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: You know, when you are a bad team, and at

729
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: three and fourteen, that's what you are. It takes a

730
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: village to get there. And this is just another facet

731
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: of this team that was not as good as certainly

732
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: we anticipated it being.

733
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 4: No.

734
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: One thing that you did well is in you say,

735
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: Miles did it well? Is you blocked a field goal

736
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: for the second straight year. Last year you had a

737
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 3: few more blocks. Shelby got one, and you were turning

738
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: that for a touchdown against Philadelphia. But yeah, this was

739
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: when you're not good. When you're a really good team,

740
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: you need to be neutral and special teams. Don't lose

741
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: the game in special teams. And we're gonna win on

742
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: offense and defense. And my dad I got to fight

743
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: it about this because he was saying, Oh, the Niners

744
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: are always terrible, and I so when you're good, you

745
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: need to because that's what Kevin uh, that's what Kyl

746
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: always talks about. Let's just we just need to be

747
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: neutral on special teams and we'll take care of our business.

748
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: Obviously didnt Kemis's whole roster getting hurt. But when you're

749
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: not good, yes, or when you are certainly marginal on offense,

750
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: which we were not good on offense this year, you

751
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: need to be elite on special teams to try to

752
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: get those margins that help you win, and unfortunately we

753
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: were not. I definitely think and we've tried. We signed

754
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: you Keeam Grant. You know, dude, never have to play.

755
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: A trap for us. I mean, you think about Cade,

756
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: you think about cyber like, you think about We've tried

757
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: all of these Zananionzalez. Yeah, we tried so many of it.

758
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: It's hard to it's hard to land it.

759
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 3: It is hard to land it. It's hard to get

760
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: the returner. We have not done it. We have not

761
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: gotten that, you know. I wonder if a guy like

762
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: Devin Duvernet, who's been a Pro Bowl returner, he I

763
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: think he was on a one year deal with Houston

764
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: after leaving Baltimore. I don't know if you to bring

765
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: somebody in to do that again. It does not feel though,

766
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: is that in house? We've got that guy. Now, Jerome

767
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: Ford showed a little bit and certainly.

768
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: Has the ability.

769
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: You know, he had multiple runs of over sixty yards

770
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 3: this year. Maybe that's the guy that you go with.

771
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: But it wasn't enough. I thought Pierre was going to

772
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: be darn good at it. He looked good certainly here,

773
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: but it didn't ever manifest somelf and he didn't get

774
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: a toime of opportunities either.

775
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: Only had eleven kick returns.

776
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: On the season. But yeah, I think disappointing from that regard,

777
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: and especially when you had your punter playing as well

778
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: as he did, to have your punt coverage not be

779
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: as well, which was not great.

780
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: No great, No, not at all. So lots to clean

781
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: up and get right for this unit. Heading in to

782
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five season, we will play a divisional

783
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: round edition of Guess the Scores with Doctor Z. I

784
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,000
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785
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786
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,560
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Speaker 2: Time to play a little game. We like to call

795
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Speaker 2: guests the scores with Doc de Z a playoff edition year.

796
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: It's the wrinkle. Here's the wrinkle. Not only are you

797
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: going to be responsible for the lines, okay, but also

798
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: the over unders? Oh okay, okay, I'm going to give you.

799
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 2: I'm getting there. I'm gonna give you a field goal

800
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: and a half either direction, either direction. Is that too much?

801
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: That's too much?

802
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: Two two and a half safety, either direction, two and

803
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: a half. Two and a half of the direction got

804
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: to be within a field goal? Okay. I appreciate your honesty. Yeah,

805
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: because you could have just gone for the easy dub there.

806
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too easy, too easy, Okay.

807
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 2: All right? I will say that based on g Man

808
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: sheet that he's given me. Uh, some of these have

809
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: already moved a little. Yeah, So we'll see. All right,

810
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: you ready we start on Saturday. We also have g

811
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: Man went the extra extra yard here. He even has

812
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: get in prices courtesy of Vivid Seats, which I like

813
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 2: so Houston. At Kansas City, this is a Joe Buck

814
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Troy Aikman, Lisa Salter's experience. The get in price is

815
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: just one hundred and four bucks in Kansas City. It's old.

816
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: Had to them, they'd like, wake me up for the

817
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: AFC champ.

818
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: You know it's Arrowhead, it's cold.

819
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: Tell me when Buffalo or Baltimore is getting here, and

820
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: then we'll be there.

821
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 5: Aren't we supposed to have like some kind of record

822
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 5: frigid cold moving into.

823
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: I think we're in it.

824
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, no, next week, wait till next week,

825
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 5: next week.

826
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: This is your boys are going to be home.

827
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 3: This is summer, like four days.

828
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: This is summer, brother, Are you kidding me?

829
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 5: No? Windshills like thirty to forty below potentially?

830
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Are we are? We just real? Are we? WFH

831
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: under those circumstances? Those al right? So you're looking at here,

832
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: you're looking at oh nice little weekend. Oh baby, don't go, Diana.

833
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: I have ten, nine and twelve middle.

834
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 5: Of next week.

835
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice, all right? You ready? Yeah?

836
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: Iron, Before I was rudely interrupted chiefs yep, minus eight okay,

837
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: total of forty three point five.

838
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Oh baby, So it's eight and a half is the

839
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: most recent. That's a winner. And it's forty one and

840
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: a half that's a winner. That too is a winner too,

841
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: And start for you it all right? We are staying

842
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: on Saturday. This is Commi's at Detroit. Kevin Burkhart, Tom Brady,

843
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: Aaron Andrews, Tom or Noldy do you think? And I

844
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: saw Floria with this, who's a great friend of our program,

845
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: obviously with a with a line that Fox should acknowledge

846
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: that Brady is part of ownership with the Raiders and

847
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: that he should acknowledge that they interviewed Ben Johnson and

848
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn for the job. I just say, I can't

849
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: keep doing this.

850
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: Well, no, this is it. This is the super Bowl.

851
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 3: They're going to keep him through the super Bowl and

852
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: then that's it, all right. I got lions yep, by

853
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: the way, four hundred and eighteen dollars to get in.

854
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: It's a tough tough ticket. And they're not they're not.

855
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: Oh I'm surprised they have that much enthusiasm for it,

856
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: with the being in a Dome. You feel like everyone

857
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: they would be so excited to go stand in the cold.

858
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: It's weird surprise they have that enthusiasm. I noticed in

859
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: Kansas City, where they have maybe the best fans in

860
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: all of football, we're right there with them. It's one

861
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 2: hundred and four to get in, and in Detroit it's

862
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: four eighteen.

863
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: Well that's right, by the way. If you were to

864
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: add up the outdoor game in Buffalo, the outdoor game

865
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: in Philly, and the outdoor game in Kansas City, they

866
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: actually add up to four hundred and nineteen dollars to

867
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: get oh baby, and to get into the Dome. It's

868
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: four hundred and eighteen.

869
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: Who to THUNKT not me?

870
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: Lions minus nine?

871
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: Got it? Nine and a half fifty one ooh fifty

872
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: five point five thirty five point.

873
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: That is awesome. That game is going to be incredible.

874
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: Okay, I hope it is, because otherwise Saturday could be

875
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: a dud.

876
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need it, man. This weekend is bad, all right.

877
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: Sunday NBC in the early afternoon slot. That rare instance

878
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: where that's the case. It is rams at Philly, ram

879
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: It at Philly. This is Jerico Collinsworth and Melissa Stark

880
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: on the coverage three o'clock. It's one hundred and eighty

881
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: bucks get in price Philly minus two and a half.

882
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: Now it has grown to Philly minus six and a half.

883
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: What Yeah, I don't get that. GM man had it

884
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: at five and a half. It's up to six and

885
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: a half. And you're over under on this one is

886
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 2: forty three. Yeah, it's okay, hold on, hold on Hunts again.

887
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: Look I wrote it down. Oh you did forty three

888
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: and a half. You nailed it, Okay, nailed it, nailed

889
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: it. It was already written, so thank goodness.

890
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: You nailed it.

891
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: I forgot all the things we're doing for so many

892
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: but right now I'm one, two, three, four, five and one.

893
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: I know you missed the over on that one. We

894
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: missed the line you had up three.

895
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: I just got to go one in one here.

896
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. It's all you need. You're right there,

897
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: you're on the press. Finally, this is obviously the game

898
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: of the weekend. I see no scenario where this isn't great.

899
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 2: Do you see either of these teams running away?

900
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be awesome.

901
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is the one. And then you're

902
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: so many people are off. You get the holiday the

903
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: next day, so it's not like you're worried about ye.

904
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we'll have work. I'll have work. I'll yeah,

905
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: not we goose.

906
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: If you would like me to be do a segment

907
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: for you, I'll do it.

908
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: Thanks, buddy, I believe that you would da Columbe City

909
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: give a little taste of all the brilliants. By the way,

910
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: the track record speaks for itself. Question the research or

911
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: the hour, I question none of it.

912
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: Just just the facts.

913
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Man.

914
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: All bills minus one and a half.

915
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: So you get it because we said had to be

916
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: two and a half. It's Ravens minus one. Oh no,

917
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: I don't get it. So the Ravens are favored. Ravens

918
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: are favored? Did that?

919
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: Was that always been the case? I thought I saw

920
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: earlier in this week something you saw. I said that earlier.

921
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: I thought I was going to get the Lions wrong

922
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: because I had seen that.

923
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's uh no, it's one Ravens minus one.

924
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: That's honestly, I think it's be Ravens minus three. Uh

925
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: my total here, so I need this for the winning

926
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: record is UGA forty seven and a half.

927
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: Fifty one and a half on the game of the weekend.

928
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 2: It's only one hundred and thirty six in get in Buffalo.

929
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense, it does. It's cold. Yeah, people

930
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: are saying, you know what I'm in. Just watch at home,

931
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: big TV, no freeze.

932
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: So the three games without a dumb just to reiterate

933
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: for those keeping score home, four hundred and nineteen dollars

934
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: to get in combined.

935
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: Combined you go to all three, decided you had free

936
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: transportations and an average get in price of boy four twenty.

937
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: So it's what one forty sure, basically one hundred and

938
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 3: forty dollars get in Dome get in four eighteen yep,

939
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: almost three x.

940
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 2: Yep.

941
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: There so I'll tell you what. So initial reactions yep.

942
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: I think the line in Philly rams is shockingly high.

943
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: YEP.

944
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: I think the line in Washington Detroit is shockingly high,

945
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: even though I know that Detroit does blow people out.

946
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 3: And I think that the Ravens should be even bigger favorites.

947
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only thing I can think about with Buffalo

948
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: is it's just or I'm sorry. With Baltimore, is just

949
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: past history with them that they don't you know, they

950
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: haven't done it in the postseason. But yeah, the way

951
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: they're playing, they had to have beaten.

952
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: Didn't buff Baltimore beat Buffalo in Buffalo last year?

953
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: Or Kansas City did baltim Baltimore is the one got it? Yeah,

954
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: so that's the way it worked a year ago. All right,

955
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: there you go, Good joby to you. Coming up next

956
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: second hour of the program, Former Browns quarterback Kevin Hogan

957
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: will join us at two thirty, but at the top

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Speaker 2: of the hour, four downs. Boy, this is the big one.

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Speaker 2: This is the penultan episode. We may do one more

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00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: edition of College Football Nate, maybe next week post championship

961
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Speaker 2: at This would be the penultimate episode. I'm ready of

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975
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm ready a big This is a big deal. It

976
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 3: is a big deal, very big deal.

977
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: They got to get out of the I gotta make

978
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: sure you're not touching any of those. Okay, never mind,

979
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: I'll save it for number three. Go ahead, Kevin, hit

980
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: it first down.

981
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 5: Do you think Notre Dame will copy Texas's blueprint for

982
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 5: guarding Jeremiah Smith? And if they do, who becomes the

983
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 5: most important piece on the offense next to Will Howard

984
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 5: College Football Nate in the front row?

985
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: Ugh? Too easy?

986
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: I mean listen, okay, bo yep, Texas has how many

987
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: people in their secondary that are going into the NFL

988
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: and early picks at that.

989
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: Well, they got the Thorpe Award winner. I mean, they

990
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: got two or three guys that are gonna go in

991
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: the first three rounds in that secondary.

992
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, from what I understand, there isn't a single person

993
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: the secondary at Notre Dame that's even gonna be considered

994
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 3: before rounds three or four.

995
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: That seems fair. Not even Xavier Watts.

996
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 3: Christian Gray, last time I checked, did his best work

997
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: in a novella. Not on the field. Leonard Moore, Jordan Clark,

998
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: their Nickels projected as a seventh round pick Listen. I

999
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: don't have to do much research to know that it's

1000
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: one thing to have a plan where you're going to

1001
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: double Jeremiah Smith and then you're gonna leave everybody else

1002
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: on an island against the BUCA and Lake and Texas

1003
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: was able to do that, perhaps better than other teams.

1004
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: But the notion that all you're gonna do is just

1005
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 3: double Jeremiah Smith and then you're gonna have no problem

1006
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: with the other two is lunacy. So yeah, you can

1007
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: try to copy it. I don't think their double team

1008
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: is gonna be nearly as effective as Texas is, and

1009
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: then the other guys are just gonna feast, so doesn't matter.

1010
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: It does not matter. Abuka Lake They're gonna go nuts.

1011
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: Trevan Henderson's gonna go nuts. I mean, this is a

1012
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: team that's got a couple of guys that maybe have

1013
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 3: a chance, you know, on the D line, but this

1014
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 3: is not This is not a team sending a lot

1015
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: of people in the National Football League after the season

1016
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the football.

1017
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: So college football NINTE pretty astute on some things here.

1018
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: Number one, Notre Dame does not have the back end

1019
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: talent that Texas does. They also have the linebacker talent

1020
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: that Texas does. They're really good upfront. Texas's upfront is

1021
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: very good too, so I think talent wise, they can't

1022
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: do it. The other thing that Texas predominantly a zone

1023
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: team and Notre Dame is predominantly a man team defensively,

1024
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: so that's the other part of it. It's probably a

1025
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: little tricky. I do think that they will take the

1026
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 2: spirit of what Texas did and apply it and say,

1027
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: if you're gonna beat us, it's gonna be death by

1028
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: a thousand cuts. And I think they will bracket Jeremiah

1029
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 2: Smith everywhere he is. I think they'll take two steep

1030
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: safeties all the time. Time you have to live with something,

1031
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: and so you'll live with Mecca Buka, Carneal tait On crossers,

1032
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: You'll live with those two backs out of the backfield

1033
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: in the screen game. You'll live with that because you cannot.

1034
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: It is so demoralizing. To give up one for sixty seven,

1035
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: it just breaks you. And I just think their plan

1036
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: will be that way. They'll have umbrella over the top,

1037
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: they'll double Jeremi everywhere he goes, they'll bracket him always.

1038
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they don't have the personnel

1039
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: or the style of play defensively to do what Texas

1040
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: did exactly. So for Ohio State, I think I think

1041
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna get First of all, Jeremia is gonna have

1042
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: a much more active game than he did against Texas, guaranteed.

1043
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 2: And second of all, if they do that, not only

1044
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: do you have a Meccan Carnell who can eat, but

1045
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: I think the two backs have big games out of

1046
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: the backfield. Let me tell you so that we've said

1047
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: a lot with them. I don't know why they don't

1048
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: throw more to Trevion Henderson out of the backfield.

1049
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: If you are going, you're if you're thinking that one

1050
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: of their their solutions is going to be played too

1051
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: deep man underneath. Yeah, Treyvon Henderson is going to run

1052
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: all day long, and quinch On too.

1053
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you got two of them, They're gonna run

1054
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 2: all day long.

1055
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: To your point, you're gonna be able to get them

1056
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: one on one with linebackers in space, you're gonna able

1057
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: to run screens, You're gonna be able to run crossing

1058
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: routes with the other two. And then all they're gonna

1059
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 3: have to do is beat a safety once they turn

1060
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 3: the corner. Yeah, the tough matchup, brutal matchup, brutal matchup. Next,

1061
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 3: that's the thing Michigan had. Sec I who's projected to

1062
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 3: go in the top ten at corner. We didn't even

1063
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: play and didn't play in the Michigan which is that

1064
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: as crazy that they didn't throw it every time, But

1065
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: that's you need a team with some defensive talent to

1066
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: have any chance at containing unless you contain yourself, if

1067
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 3: you take your put yourself in the box, that we're

1068
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 3: just only gonna run the ball. So I said, if

1069
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: I quarterback that game, we went handily.

1070
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm gonna We talked a lot about number of

1071
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 5: quarterbacks going in the first round, and we talked quarterbacks earlier.

1072
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 5: Who would you take first? Would you take Will Howard

1073
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 5: or would you take Quinn yours? If you were an

1074
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 5: NFL team? Which QB has the most NFL upside? So

1075
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 5: this is.

1076
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 3: And Gil correct me if I'm wrong, But my recollection

1077
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: of the days where I pour over you know, the

1078
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: high school reports, and that quin Yours was a much

1079
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 3: more highly regarded prospect as coming out of high school.

1080
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: Quin Yours was the first perfect prospect quarterback ever.

1081
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: So if I'm an NFL team, I'm banking on that

1082
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to get the most out of the best

1083
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 3: clay so quin Yours.

1084
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Quinn is going to be a really

1085
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: tough evaluation because he is a bit of a checkdown Charlie.

1086
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: Despite having a monster arm, he obviously was hurt this

1087
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: year which affected the monster arm. His pocket awareness is

1088
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: pretty brutal. He will step right into sacks. He did

1089
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: in the Ohio State game to not feel on fourth

1090
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: down Jack Sawyer coming, to not have the sense that

1091
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: it was coming and not sprint out and get out

1092
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: of there and find it. I mean, he really just

1093
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 2: kind of was a sitting dutch just kind of waiting

1094
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: for him to hit him. It was wild. I do

1095
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 2: think this about Will. There will be limitations with arm

1096
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: strength to the perimeter, no doubt, but he's got plenty

1097
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: of arm strength. You saw the tight windows he threw

1098
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: in the Texas game in the zone. He put him

1099
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: in some really tight windows. He is prone to at

1100
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: least one mistake a game. Sometimes it crushes him, sometimes

1101
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't where he tried. Maybe he thinks he has

1102
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: more arm talent than he actually has. Mistake yep, but

1103
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: he's whipped smart. He's a competitor to me. Will Howard

1104
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: feels like somebody who could be on an NFL roster

1105
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: for a while, and I could see him vacillating between

1106
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: starting some and backing up. And maybe there's even more

1107
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: to him in the right circumstance where he gets. He's

1108
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: never had expert coaching like this, yep. Never. I mean,

1109
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: if you look at what we're talent around, that's the

1110
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: other part of it. But like the positions they're consistently

1111
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: putting him in converse versus the positions he was put

1112
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: in consistently at Kansas State, they're not there. He is

1113
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: so exceeded what anybody thought he would do. Oh, statistically

1114
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 2: this year, not particularly close in terms of what kind

1115
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: of we all thought. I want to say, he's well over.

1116
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 2: I think what I set what I set for him

1117
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: was thirty two hundred yards in the standard season. Thirty

1118
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: two hundred yards, sixty six percent completions, twenty eight touchdowns,

1119
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: ten picks. Is kind of where I was with him

1120
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: he ended up. That was before the season. So just

1121
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: in terms of where he ended up statistically, oh.

1122
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: Good, seventy two point six percent completions three thou seven

1123
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine yards, thirty three touchdown passes, which

1124
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: leads all of he LEDs it led the big ten. Yeah,

1125
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 3: ten interceptions on the season average nine point nine, nine

1126
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: point four I'm sorry, yards per tent. Then to compare

1127
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: it to what he'd done in Kansas State in his

1128
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two is when

1129
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: he played, was really a starter twenty twenty two, seven

1130
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 3: games as a starter, sixty percent completion, sixty hundred and

1131
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: thirty three yards, fifteen touchdowns, four picks. Last year at

1132
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: Kansas State twelve games, two hundred nineteen completions, sixty one

1133
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: point three percent completions, twenty six hundred and forty three yards,

1134
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: twenty four touchdowns, ten picks. And then this year he

1135
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: jumps all the way up to seventy two point six

1136
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: three seven seven, nine thirty three and ten.

1137
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: He talked about that after the game against Texas, Like,

1138
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: I just wish I had more time. That I've learned

1139
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: more in one season with Ryan Day and Chip Kelly

1140
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: than I had in my entire previous other experience. Yep,

1141
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: so I'm intrigued by him. I'll say that.

1142
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: Next turn down.

1143
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 5: As we approached the end of the first twelve team CFP,

1144
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 5: what changes are tweaks would you like to see made

1145
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 5: for next season? Made fine bomb in the second.

1146
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 3: Rouw No automatic buys for conference champions. Yeah, that's the

1147
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: first thing. It's just that it goes off straight. See

1148
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: them appropriately and those are the seeds. No automatic buys

1149
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 3: for a winning and that's the first thing. I think

1150
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: eventually you're just gonna go ahead and make it a

1151
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: sixteen gamer sixteen teamer. But I think you can keep

1152
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: in the current format. And the first thing that you

1153
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 3: have to do is no buys. You cannot have Arizona

1154
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: State getting a buy you can't have just because you're

1155
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: a conference champion. That doesn't get you a BUYE. That's

1156
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 3: the number one thing I'd like to see bo Bishop.

1157
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot, and I think they change that immediately.

1158
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: I think that's the first swap as they get rid

1159
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: of that. I think the second thing that is critical

1160
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: is you cannot play your national championship on the Monday

1161
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: after the divisional round of the NFL. You got to

1162
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: have this thing buttoned up before. Now, this thing's gonna

1163
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: get lost in the wash. And one for people like me,

1164
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: you talk about it every day, but like the sports

1165
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: community at large, it's going to be deep in. I mean,

1166
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: it's all NFL. If you watched Get Up on Monday morning,

1167
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: for example, not necessarily that that's like the barometer of

1168
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: what people are talking about. But if you go on

1169
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: barstool or OutKick or any other sports sites that are

1170
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: out there where you're getting your information, it's ninety percent

1171
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: NFL and ten percent college. And so they can't do that.

1172
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: They have a chance to own December, and that's what

1173
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: they need to do. They got to find a way

1174
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: to get this thing. At the very least, you need

1175
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: to have the semifinals on first, you know, the thirty

1176
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: first first, and you need to have the final. I

1177
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: would love it to be the first Saturday after. If

1178
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: it has to be ten days, fine, at least seven

1179
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: days farther and outway. But if the NFL isn't gonna

1180
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: give you a Saturday night for Wildcard weekend or whatever.

1181
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: Then play it on Friday. Play Friday night. They raided

1182
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Texas rated fine. Play the National Championship on

1183
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: Friday night. High school football's out of there. It's free

1184
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: to do it on a Monday night. It's bad. It's

1185
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: bad ball. Play it on a Friday.

1186
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 3: Is it because they think Monday night's more additional TV

1187
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 3: football night?

1188
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: It's because Monday night's a better ratings night television wise

1189
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: than Friday is. But I think that's a very old

1190
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: way of viewing it TV. I think people I don't

1191
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: think for sports. Yeah, I agree, I think for people

1192
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: for stuff that people want to consume, and football is

1193
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: what people in this country want to consume the most.

1194
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: It almost doesn't matter when you play it at all. Rate. Yeah,

1195
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: so I Texas, Ohio State was a big one. If

1196
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: they were playing. If this Friday it was Ohio State

1197
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, it'd be huge and then you'd have a chance,

1198
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more chance like on a Monday.

1199
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: I just think everything's going to be on reaction, reacting

1200
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: to Buffalo and the.

1201
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: Ravens NFL game. You're going to see I do think

1202
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 3: there's something to being by Monday, we're not all that

1203
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: looking forward to football because we're going to have had

1204
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 3: hopefully a great weekend of NFL football. But on Friday,

1205
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: we haven't had football since the Monday night, and yeah,

1206
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: we're ready. And the Monday night game was terrible. Most

1207
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: people probably turn it off. Everybody's like, give me some football, Yeah, Friday.

1208
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: So I think those simple Inevitably, they'll get to sixteen,

1209
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 2: they'll eliminate the college football conference national titles, and they'll

1210
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: move the whole calendar back a week. All of those

1211
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: things will happen inevitably. But I think you've got to

1212
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: get rid of the automatic buys and acting like all

1213
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: these conferences are creative equal, and then you've got to

1214
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: do something to where you're not head to head with

1215
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: the NFL as much as they are.

1216
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 5: Yep agreed Final one, fourth down, the buck guys have

1217
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 5: to do blank to beat Notre Dame and secure their

1218
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 5: ninth national championship in school history. They find bomb quickly.

1219
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 2: Not beat themselves.

1220
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: Just be who you are, Be who you truly are,

1221
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 3: not who you think you need to project to be.

1222
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 3: Be who you are you are. The more talented team.

1223
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: You are the better team. Just as I said all along,

1224
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: you're going to go this should be comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable,

1225
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: be who you are, and you win this game.

1226
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you I just wrote down as

1227
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: the question is being asked, don't blow it. Yeah, so

1228
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: that's your very first point, like don't turn it over,

1229
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: don't beat yourself, don't give it to them, don't commit stupid,

1230
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: don't do stupid penalties like Notre Dame does not have

1231
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: the fire power to keep up. They don't. They can

1232
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: win one specific way, and that is with you turning

1233
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 2: the ball over, and they have got to establish the run.

1234
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 2: Ohio State can win a lot of ways. To me,

1235
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: I think it is far more likely. If they are

1236
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: three scenarios that people would say are most likely. Ohio

1237
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: State wins by a bunch. Ohio State wins close, Notre

1238
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: Dame wins close. Nobody thinks Notre Dame is going to

1239
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: bury him, So I think option one is more likely

1240
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: than option two and three combined. It feels like Ohio

1241
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: State could win by two scores to me, Yes, pretty easily.

1242
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like.

1243
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 5: Yes, And that is college football. Four Downs with college

1244
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 5: football mate.

1245
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, we'll go around the league. We both watched

1246
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: the Hard Knocks episode last night as well, so we'll

1247
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,280
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1259
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: of Hard Knocks last night. In it was this clip

1260
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 2: from Miles Garrett. Let's have a listen. I've talked to

1261
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: Abe how we're going to make the most out of

1262
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: all the talent that is here. We're closer than no

1263
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: some may think we are. I did think it was

1264
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,439
Speaker 2: interesting if you have not seen the episode. Obviously, the

1265
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: majority of it is as it should be on the

1266
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: playoff given to the playoff game between Baltimore and Pittsburgh,

1267
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: I what forty eight of the sixty minutes something there

1268
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: like that was it was dedicated to those two franchises

1269
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: that were in the postseason. I will give our side

1270
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 2: of it some some credit in the fact of AB

1271
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: did sit down and do very clearly a specific interview

1272
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 2: with them about Miles. There was no mention of the

1273
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 2: Deshaun disclosure in it at all.

1274
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: He saw him in a boot, that was it.

1275
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you weren't paying attention, I mean, didn't

1276
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: mention it in voiceover any of which I was. I

1277
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: thought that was wild, very surprising Miles. There was some

1278
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 2: good access with Miles, including the bite we just played. Conversely,

1279
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati there was nothing.

1280
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: Although I did as much as I already liked Joe Burrow,

1281
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 3: which pains me to say, why.

1282
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 2: He's a good kid.

1283
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: It's great. Yeah, he's weren't Seinfeld sweats.

1284
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: Dude, He's weren't Seinfeld sweats.

1285
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 3: Seinfeld sweats.

1286
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 2: The final image of him is walking down this long

1287
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 2: hallway and what is very clearly their stadium because they

1288
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: don't have a true like football facility. So he's walking

1289
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: out the stadium out what a mirrors to be, like

1290
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: a quantt door or and he's walking out and some

1291
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: equipment guy somebody comes over with a football. He signs it,

1292
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 2: gives him a fist pump, signs it, points no big deal,

1293
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: he's not in an entourage, nothing, just by himself walking out,

1294
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: No big deal, signs it and keeps going in Seinfeld sweats,

1295
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: in Seinfeld sweats. Yeah, pretty good, pretty good. Look, let's

1296
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 2: be honest. There's stuff that NFL teams are say, Yeah,

1297
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: you can't show that, can't show that. Like I'm sure

1298
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: they weren't going to show. I knew they weren't going

1299
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: to show. Like Burrow talking to Zach about, hey man,

1300
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: like we missplay us two years in a row, Like

1301
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 2: what are we doing? What's what's the plan here? Like

1302
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: I understand you weren't going to get that, But I

1303
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 2: did think from the Cincinnati perspective there there should have

1304
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: been at least something from Burrow.

1305
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 3: There was nothing, and there was just the we fired

1306
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 3: Anna Roumo and the coaches got the zoom and from

1307
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 3: us you got Ashton Grant in the quarterback room, letting

1308
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks know, which was interesting.

1309
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought that was interesting too, that Ashton was

1310
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: the one who was, you know, kind of kind of

1311
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: getting that information out there. I was surprised that there

1312
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: wasn't some mention of the Watson. Yeah, there wasn't, no.

1313
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 3: No, if you were watching it from our perspective, obviously

1314
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: we're watching it for our stuff, and there was very little,

1315
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: you know, Miles said, you know, which is good to

1316
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 3: hear that from him. You wonder what prompted him to

1317
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: say that, Yeah, which will be curious. I'm sure we'll

1318
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: get an answer to that in the coming weeks, whether

1319
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: that's a contract related situation or if it's you know,

1320
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 3: the plan that they did share with him that we'll

1321
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: see become executed, you know, in the near term.

1322
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: I thought it was. And I don't know if I

1324
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: would have watched it if we weren't involved, because there

1325
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: is so much stuff to consume now that this time

1326
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: of year, it's almost like overload for me. There's so

1327
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: much stuff. So if we weren't involved, I don't know

1328
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: that I would have watched it, but I will. I

1329
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: did enjoy it. I did think the idea of taking

1330
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 2: one division was cool.

1331
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 3: I would have watched it. I think had it been

1332
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: on any division other than the two South divisions, everything else,

1333
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 3: because the NFC South is the only division that is

1334
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 3: now out, the AFC South would have been all that

1335
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 3: interesting to me, to be honest with you. But if

1336
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: it was on the West, he had three he had,

1337
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 3: you know, the Chargers and the Broncos and then the

1338
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 3: Chiefs bye week, I would have been curious to see that.

1339
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: If it was on the AFC East, you know with

1340
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 3: the Bills and they're great game, I would certainly would

1341
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: have been interested to see that and whatever fallout there was,

1342
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 3: and you know with New York and their coaching surge,

1343
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: New England coach hiring of Rabel, that would have been

1344
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 3: very interesting. NFC North obviously super interesting. NFC East, you know,

1345
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: Washington's big win, Philly wins, Detroit, I'm Dallas moving on

1346
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: for McCarthy. Yeah, all that there's that would have been great.

1347
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: And then the NFC West, you know, the Rams and

1348
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: everything they go through and then they go and they

1349
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 3: turn into performance of that level incredible, So that would

1350
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 3: I think any of those I actually would have been

1351
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: pretty interested from a football standpoint, Other than the two

1352
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 3: divisions in the South.

1353
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good. A couple other things around the league,

1354
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: some news and notes. The Indianapolis Colts are the designated

1355
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 2: home team for the NFL game in Berlin to be

1356
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: played next season, So we've got the London game, they've

1357
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: got the Berlin game, and we're waiting on Madrid, right yep. Yeah.

1358
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,839
Speaker 3: And then one of the other stories, which is wild

1359
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 3: to me, Deontay Johnson. You wonder is his career over

1360
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 3: at this point? I mean, the Steelers said get out

1361
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 3: of here, the Ravens said get out here. And then

1362
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 3: he comes to the Texans who are without Stefan Digs,

1363
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 3: without Tank Dell, and he apparently threw a fit in

1364
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: their locker room while players are smoking cigars and celebrating

1365
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 3: their victory that he wasn't used more. Deantay Johnson was

1366
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 3: a pro bowler in twenty twenty one. Last year had

1367
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: a little bit of a down year because he only

1368
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 3: played thirteen games, but uh, seven hundred and seventeen yards

1369
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 3: five touchdowns. He had eight hundred and eighty two yards

1370
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 3: a year before that, eleven sixty one and eight, nine,

1371
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 3: twenty three and seven. I mean he has been a

1372
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 3: consistently productive player in this league. And he's a guy

1373
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 3: that if you talk to players on our team that

1374
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: have had to cover him, that he is a very

1375
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 3: difficult cover. But he must something switch, maybe has flipped

1376
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 3: because Carolina signed him. Remember big Ley, Yes, got him

1377
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 3: out of there. Baltimore was looking for receiver help, got

1378
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 3: him out of there, Pittsburgh needed. This is when they

1379
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 3: when Pickens was missing games, they got him out of there.

1380
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: And and now Houston said, you had no thanks you want?

1381
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 3: I mean, is that it for him?

1382
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1383
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 3: Because he's not wild it's a wildfall. He's not that

1384
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 3: good where he's worth a lot of.

1385
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 2: No, he's crossed over. The pain in the neck is

1386
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: no superseding. The talent is where that.

1387
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 3: By the way, Arthur Smith interviewing for the Bear's head

1388
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 3: coaching job this morning and the Jets coaching job tomorrow,

1389
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 3: and now there's reports that he and Russell Wilson did

1390
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 3: not get along. I don't know if you saw that.

1391
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we it's all there, Yep, it's all

1392
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: there for you for sure. So yeah, I think we

1393
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 2: touched on the tom and stuff already really quick. The

1394
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones don stuff. I think it's very clearly d

1395
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: on what's more money out of Colorado. I don't think

1396
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: he's leaving Colorado at all. I think that he's trying

1397
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: to get He's trying to leverage Colorado to pay him

1398
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 2: what he is owed more than it is him chasing

1399
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 2: down the Cowboys.

1400
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 3: I think he's steels more likely.

1401
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: This was the worst Power five job in the land

1402
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: when I took this job. Yeah, we've made you relevant

1403
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: right away, not just on the field, but in admissions

1404
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: and all of that stuff. And the next year we

1405
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: won nine games and a Heisman. Where are they going

1406
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: to be though? Losing Hunter and Shador. They're huge in

1407
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 2: the portal. They landed a five star quarterback who they

1408
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 2: stole from USC. They got a nice portal quarterback who

1409
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: came in but I want to say from Liberty. Yeah,

1410
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: they got that's nice. He's gonna be okay, Oka be

1411
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: okay there. It's a great place to be too, Boulders beautiful.

1412
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: Former Browns quarterback Kevin Hogan will join us coming up next.

1413
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: He was he played for Mike Bloomgren, our new offensive line.

1414
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 2: There's some familiarity in terms of that, and we'll get

1415
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: Kevin's view on what we can expect coming up next

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,719
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Speaker 2: Keep it Twisted. Cleveland. Former Browns quarterback Kevin Hogan joins

1426
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: us there. Kevin, thank you so much for taking the time.

1427
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 2: How you doing, man, I'm doing great.

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01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 4: Good to hear from you guys again. Thanks for having

1429
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 4: me on.

1430
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And I want to talk about Mike obviously,

1431
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 2: and he was named the new offensive line coach. You

1432
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 2: are quite familiar with what we're getting in my Bloomgren.

1433
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 2: What can you tell us about him the man and

1434
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: him the coach?

1435
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I uh, you know, I think it's a fantastic

1436
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 4: higher coach.

1437
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 2: Bloom was.

1438
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 4: So instrumental for me in my development at Stanford and

1439
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 4: just helping me understand the game, the quarterback position, and

1440
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 4: you know, so often as a quarterback you're you're dealing

1441
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 4: with like the passing game and and and those concepts.

1442
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 4: But he really helped me understand defensive structure and the

1443
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 4: ways that the run game can help set up the

1444
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 4: past game with play action and bootlegs, and understanding protections

1445
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 4: and how you can protect yourself from blitzes and and

1446
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 4: then where you can exploit the defense. So as a coach,

1447
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 4: he was so instrumental, and then just as a guy,

1448
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 4: like he was a you know, we're college kids and

1449
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 4: and he was like a father figured us out there,

1450
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 4: always caring about us. He's definitely gonna care about the

1451
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 4: man first and then and then try and get the

1452
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 4: most out of out of him as a player. But

1453
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 4: I definitely would not have had the success in college

1454
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 4: and the growth as a quarterback without my experience with

1455
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 4: coach Bloom.

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01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 3: Kevin Nathan Seger, great to talk to you again, brother.

1457
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 3: You mentioned kind of that development, and you look at

1458
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 3: your completion percentage went up every year, your touchdown to

1459
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 3: interception ratio went every year, your yards went up every

1460
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 3: single year. While you were with him. And I tell

1461
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 3: you I got a chance to meet him, to shake

1462
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 3: his hand, introduce myself. He just strikes me as a

1463
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 3: guy who loves football. Is just when you think of

1464
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 3: a guy that would be an offensive line coach or

1465
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 3: a career long football coach, football guy, he kind of

1466
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 3: fits that is do I have a good initial read

1467
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 3: on him?

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01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 5: Oh one hundred.

1469
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 4: Just his energy in the room, you can't help but

1470
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 4: jump on his jump on the ship with him, and

1471
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 4: you know he gets the guys fired up. He makes

1472
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 4: football easier for you by scheming up things that are

1473
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 4: you know, quarterback friendly and offensive line friendly. It just

1474
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 4: it makes it easier in the scheme of things and

1475
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 4: just allows guys to go out play confidently. But yeah, bloom,

1476
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 4: he has a way of firing up guys and especially

1477
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 4: in the line room, like they're going to be banding together,

1478
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 4: having the same you know, creed as each other and

1479
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 4: getting ready to go out there and go to battle

1480
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 4: every day and protect the quarterback, keep him clean and

1481
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 4: then open up holes in the run game.

1482
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 3: And we know in this offense, and it sounds like

1483
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: Kevinson fans is gonna go back more to his roots.

1484
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 3: There we had Bill Callahan before, and Bill Callahan was

1485
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 3: instrumental in a lot of the designs of the run

1486
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 3: game in terms of some of the pin pool stuff

1487
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 3: that we did in addition to, you know, the outside zone.

1488
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan was an offensive coordinator. Bill Callahan was also

1489
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 3: a head coach, so he's known those things. Mike bloomgrin

1490
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 3: head coach at Rice, offensive coordinator obviously with you and

1491
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 3: now an offensive line coach. How helpful is it for

1492
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 3: somebody who's in that offensive line room where you're really

1493
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 3: responsible for making sure that the run game works properly,

1494
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 3: but also making sure you have the protections for the

1495
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 3: past game. You really need to know everything. How helpful

1496
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: is it to have that background where you've done it

1497
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: as the CEO of the offense but also then a

1498
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: CEO of a football team.

1499
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it's so important, and I can only imagine,

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01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 4: you know, the experience that he gained in the last

1501
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 4: you know, probably it's been about ten years since I

1502
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 4: was with Bloom just in terms of skimming up the

1503
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 4: offense as a whole and developing his knowledge in the game.

1504
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 4: But I've never been around someone who was as good

1505
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 4: with protections and skimming up the run game. You know,

1506
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 4: we didn't have to throw hot in college because Blooms

1507
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 4: protections each week allowed us to know where the blitzes

1508
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 4: were coming from, where we were susceptible, and he gave

1509
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 4: us the tools each week to be able to pick

1510
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 4: up the blitzes and be able to take advantage of

1511
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 4: the holes that the defense left behind. So just as

1512
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 4: a quarterback sitting in there there in the pocket, you know,

1513
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 4: when you when you have the tells and you know

1514
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 4: kind of what the defense is bringing, that confidence just

1515
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 4: goes way up and you know where you're gonna go

1516
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 4: with the ball to exploit the defense. And then in

1517
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 4: the run game, he always had stuff schemed up, and

1518
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 4: in my experience in the NFL, you know, lots of

1519
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 4: times the run game was almost a little bit simple

1520
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,799
Speaker 4: in a sense that like, you know, if the safety

1521
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 4: is rotating down one way, we're just gonna run the

1522
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 4: other way, or if there's seven men in the box,

1523
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 4: we're gonna check to a pass Balloom takes it a

1524
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 4: step further. You know, he's looking at the shade of

1525
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 4: the defensive end, or if the linebackers are bossed over

1526
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 4: a little bit to the strength, then you expect that

1527
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 4: safety to come down week. So he's looking for those

1528
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 4: things to take full advantage. He's not just trying to

1529
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 4: get the play run and hope for a successful play.

1530
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 4: He's looking at where they're lined up and how we

1531
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 4: can attack them in order to open up a hole

1532
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 4: for a home run play. And his his his philosophy is,

1533
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 4: you know, he's he's skimming up a twelve round about.

1534
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 4: You know, he's you know, steaming up body body blows

1535
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 4: during during the first half of the game, and he

1536
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 4: might call the same schemes over and over again. But

1537
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 4: by the time it's the third and fourth quarter and

1538
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 4: and those guys are rolling that defensive lines worn down,

1539
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 4: those linebackers are sick of being pulled into uh, You're

1540
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 4: going to see those holes open up in the second half.

1541
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 4: And that's where we had so much success in the

1542
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 4: second half of our games in college.

1543
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: Talking to former Browns quarterback Kevin Hogan, who played for

1544
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: Mike bo Bloomgren at Stanford last three years as his

1545
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, keV listening to talk and what what strikes

1546
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 2: me about, you know, the game planning, the calling, and

1547
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: the twelve round fights and all of that is attention

1548
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: to detail and and one of the things that I

1549
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 2: want to ask you was obviously under Bill Calling and

1550
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 2: the attention to detail in practice was elite and at

1551
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 2: times perhaps overbearing for some of the players, but the

1552
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 2: end result was unbelievable. What do you get in terms

1553
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 2: of coach Bloom's attention to detail, getting all the little

1554
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 2: things right? Where is that with him? Well?

1555
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 4: I had the fortune of being, uh, you know, with

1556
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 4: with coach Callahan and Washington uh for an off season. Uh,

1557
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 4: and so I had a little bit of time with both,

1558
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 4: and I think he's right up there.

1559
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 5: You know.

1560
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 4: I think that uh he to my to my understanding,

1561
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 4: he spent some time with coach Callahan a few years back,

1562
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 4: so I was able to learn from him and that philosophy.

1563
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 4: But I think he's going to be right up there

1564
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 4: with with attention to detail and uh, perhaps even evolve

1565
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 4: it a little bit more and and try and make

1566
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 4: things a lot easier for the offensive line, uh, for

1567
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 4: the quarterback, for the backs, and and I think that,

1568
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 4: you know, he's going to challenge them, He's going to

1569
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 4: put a lot on their plate. The quarterbacks are going

1570
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 4: to have to be looking for a little bit more.

1571
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 4: But once you get that under your belt through OTAs

1572
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 4: and training camp, and it starts becoming second nature. They're

1573
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 4: going to reap the benefits of it. And uh, they're

1574
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 4: going to start you know, when a run, when a

1575
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 4: run place called and they say see a three tech

1576
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 4: week or they see you know, a four eyes strong,

1577
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 4: they're going to be licking their chops. And I don't

1578
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 4: think anyone's going to be more excited than the backs

1579
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 4: that they have in that room, because I think you're

1580
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 4: going to start seeing some really cool things schemed up

1581
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 4: in both the gap scheme and the zone running scheme,

1582
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 4: and then just being a quarterback when you can do

1583
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 4: play action off of that, especially with the backs that

1584
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 4: they have and do some bootlegs and quarterback keepers, it's

1585
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 4: going to make the offense a whole lot more quarterback friendly.

1586
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 3: You're speaking our language. Yuh, that's what we certainly want

1587
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: to see. And I think that's a lot of people

1588
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 3: thought left. You know obviously when Bill Callahan left and

1589
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 3: the Browns had to make a move there. And yet

1590
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 3: you're right, Callahan was with the Jets and when Bloomgreen

1591
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 3: was getting his start in the National Football League, he

1592
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 3: was there with the Offensive Quality Control coach for the

1593
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 3: Jets in the late two thousands. As for you, how

1594
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 3: the heck are you, man? What you've been up to?

1595
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 3: I know, little UFL, the San Antonio Brahmas. How's that

1596
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 3: going for you?

1597
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good. I'm actually doing that again this spring. Nice,

1598
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 4: you know, I'm yeah, So I'm excited for that. I

1599
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 4: think it's a great league. I'm hoping that it continues

1600
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 4: to develop. Had a good time doing it last year.

1601
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 4: I think there's, you know, a lot of talent, and

1602
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 4: I think it's a good opportunity for guys like me

1603
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 4: who are trying to continue their career and hopefully get

1604
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 4: back into the NFL, or young guys who were kind

1605
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 4: of on the brink of making a roster and didn't

1606
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 4: quite make it. They get to go play some football

1607
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 4: in the spring and you're not missing too much. You know.

1608
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 4: NFL teams are in OTAs, which is kind of a

1609
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 4: little bit more relaxed, and we get to go play

1610
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 4: some football and hopefully hopefully put some good things on tape.

1611
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm looking forward to that, Kevin.

1612
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting we were at the combine last

1613
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 2: year and we were talking about one of the things

1614
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: that it seems to be a consensus on in the league, is,

1615
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 2: especially at your position, that there's not a chance for

1616
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks to really play enough games that you get

1617
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,520
Speaker 2: this time in camp and you really need more games

1618
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: as someone who played in the league as long as

1619
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 2: you did, and you're trying to get back and you're

1620
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: playing in the UFL. Now, is there is there a

1621
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 2: chance here for the NFL and real quarterback development to

1622
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 2: happen and for the UFL to be kind of the

1623
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 2: catalyst for that. Is there an even bigger opportunity here

1624
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: than we realize?

1625
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 4: Oh? I think absolutely. You know, I made the team

1626
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 4: with the Browns based on my preseason performance my second year,

1627
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 4: and I you know, they keep removing preseason games slowly,

1628
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 4: but yeah, that was such a an opportunity for me

1629
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 4: to take advantage. And you know, you can't you can't

1630
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 4: really tell until you're out there and the live bullets

1631
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 4: are flying. So that was a huge bussing for me

1632
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 4: to get those preseason games and kind of show what

1633
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 4: I could do in live football action. And I think

1634
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 4: that this is another opportunity for quarterbacks for all positions.

1635
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 4: I've actually spoken with some guys who have been practice

1636
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 4: squad guys you know for years and and they've kind

1637
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 4: of let me in on. You know, if if they

1638
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 4: could come down and play these games in the spring,

1639
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 4: they would do it. You know, they're trying to get

1640
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 4: that game film and and try and boost their resume.

1641
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 4: But the way that the contracts are structured, you know,

1642
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 4: the NFL teams don't want to let them do that.

1643
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: They want them to go to OTA's. But I think that,

1644
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 4: you know, at some point it could kind of turn

1645
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 4: into something where it's like minor League Baseball where you

1646
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 4: can send guys down or let them go play in

1647
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 4: the spring and get some some game film and a

1648
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 4: little bit more experience. And I think it'd be a

1649
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 4: huge to guys like me or some of the younger

1650
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 4: guys who haven't quite gotten that opportunity to go out

1651
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 4: and show what they can really do when the in

1652
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 4: live game action.

1653
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 2: I think you're so right.

1654
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it like you come out and

1655
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 3: I'll even give DTR nine team. Both of you guys

1656
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 3: are drafted in the fifth round. Both of you were

1657
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 3: starters in the pack now, which is very sad. I'm

1658
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 3: sure you're sad about it as well, and now defunct

1659
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 3: PAC ten, I would call it PAC twelve.

1660
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. You will go.

1661
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 3: From being the man, from being the starter, from being

1662
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 3: you know, etched in the history books of your college

1663
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,759
Speaker 3: to coming in the NFL. And you get really hardly

1664
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 3: any reps in practices, certainly in the season. Not you

1665
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: get some scout team reps, but you don't play football,

1666
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 3: real football for years other than a few series in

1667
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 3: the preseason or a few quarters in the preseason. I

1668
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: think there's incredible value for those type of young players

1669
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 3: to be able to go. And you've got eight teams

1670
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 3: in this league and they could take you know, obviously,

1671
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 3: I know people that are trying to come back in

1672
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 3: the league. They want to compete and get those opportunities

1673
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 3: as you are now. But I wonder, you know, maybe

1674
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 3: you would still be in the league if you've got

1675
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 3: an opportunity early in your career to keep playing football.

1676
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 3: I think it's the hardest position in the world to play. Yeah,

1677
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 3: and the notion that you're going to be able to

1678
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 3: kind of not play football for three years and then

1679
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 3: come in and play good football seems crazy to me.

1680
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. And you know,

1681
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 4: I wish that earlier on in my career, I would

1682
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: have had a little bit more opportunities to get out

1683
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 4: there and kind of show what I could have done

1684
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 4: in different ways. And but yeah, I mean it's tough,

1685
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 4: and that's kind of the nature of the business. Especially

1686
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 4: being a backup quarterback. You know, you're not getting a

1687
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 4: lot of reps, and so you just got to be

1688
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 4: as mentally prepared as you can be to be thrown

1689
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 4: in at whatever time. And I actually had to deal

1690
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 4: with that a lot in my second year, just kind

1691
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 4: of coming off the bench and going in for a

1692
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 4: series or two. But if guys could go down and

1693
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 4: play in this you know, ten week season and be

1694
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 4: able to you know, command the huddle and go through

1695
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 4: protections and go through their reads and make the throws,

1696
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,879
Speaker 4: I think that that would, you know, be an immense

1697
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 4: benefit to them heading into the season, because you know,

1698
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 4: you're not getting those reps. The starters are getting all

1699
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 4: the reps, and they're starting to take away these preseason opportunities,

1700
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 4: which really are the only reps you're going to get

1701
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 4: during training camp, because during practices, you know, you might

1702
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 4: get two or three here or there, but it's not

1703
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 4: enough to kind of really show that you can put

1704
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 4: together a drive and lead a team down the field,

1705
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 4: and so I think that it's something that has a

1706
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 4: lot of potential in the future. I thought it was

1707
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 4: a great league, you know. I think that there's a

1708
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 4: lot of talent and a lot of potential with it.

1709
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. You're luck

1710
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: to you man, Absolutely, You're a star obviously at Stanford, Kevin,

1711
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: and we'll get chatting here on this one. Andrew now

1712
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: is going to go back and do some things with

1713
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: the football program there. Obviously, Stanford is a great deal

1714
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 2: of resources. Is is tackling the nil world and making

1715
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: Stanford a power something that is being talked about out there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, you know, I think that he

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Speaker 4: is the best man for that job. He loves Stanford

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01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 4: so much, and everyone knows what kind of football player

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Speaker 4: he is and what he means to to Stanford into

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Speaker 4: college football. But he is a brilliant man and he's

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01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 4: gonna think outside the box. And you know, it's kind

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01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 4: of like the wild West right now, So no one

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01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 4: really knows what the future holds. But just as far

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01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 4: as Stanford goes there, there couldn't be a better guy

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Speaker 4: to be in that position. And he's going to do

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Speaker 4: things the right way. He's gonna still attempt to get

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01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 4: the Stanford type of man out there. But I think

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01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 4: it's great that he's gonna have a little more hands

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01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 4: on control with the football program and and hopefully bring

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01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,600
Speaker 4: us back to where we were a decade ago.

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Speaker 3: Well who better he said, it's the wild West too.

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01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 3: Better to have than you know, a former Civil War general.

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01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,799
Speaker 2: That's right. Andrew Luck leading the charges.

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Speaker 3: He send you any dispatches trying to recruit you to

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Speaker 3: the cause.

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01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 4: He might need to. He might need to get that

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01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 4: Twitter account up and running again.

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Speaker 2: It's the best, Kevin.

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 3: Great catching up with you, and good luck in the UFL,

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01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 3: and good luck you know going forward. Thank you for

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01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 3: the time and the insights.

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01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 4: Awesome. Appreciate you guys. Hey, good luck this year.

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01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 2: Great catching up with him. Yeah, Kevin Hogan joining us.

1745
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 2: Job Gibbeck on the Twisted Tea, Hard Iced Tea Hotline.

1746
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,439
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Speaker 2: You surprised more of these NFL jobs haven't been filled.

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01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of people have done interviews. I

1753
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 3: just saw something again. You always have to take the

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01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 3: But Aaron Glenn apparently is the favorite for the Jets job.

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01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 3: I like Darreon Glenn. He was great when he was here,

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01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 3: and he's done a great job in Detroit. I think

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01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 3: part of it is you have guys that are desired.

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01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 3: Two of them who maybe coaches, are currently coaching for

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01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 3: Detroit Johnson and GLNT and both of those courts. And

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01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 3: then it's like the other thing you see is the

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01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 3: one thing that has been Monkin is one and he's

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01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 3: the OC in Baltimore. Somebody get him, Please get him out.

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01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 3: I wonder about him from our time with him. I

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01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 3: have no doubt he would be a successful head coach.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he wants to do that. I

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01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 3: don't know if you or he just wants to let

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01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:40,879
Speaker 3: me just run the offense.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good question. If he would want all

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01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: of that. I think probably, you know, everybody would want

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01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 2: to test themselves in the ultimate level. But I think

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01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 2: also and I think Ben Johnson's in this situation in

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Speaker 2: Detroit and now obviously it's time for him. Now would

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01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 2: be the time, you would think. But also like it's

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01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 2: a pretty good spot if you're Monking right now and

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01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 2: you're coordinating Lamar and you're in Baltimore and you have

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01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 2: that roster and all that, Like if that's all you

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01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: want to do, some of these spots, some of these jobs,

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01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 2: like you mentioned Aaron Glenn to the Jets and do

1779
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 2: you know him and all of that. I don't, But

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01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 2: like that feels like you're leading there in a body bag.

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01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 3: If you are content to not be a head coach,

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01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 3: then yes, it is so desirable to stay in those places.

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01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 3: But then when you start thinking about I get to

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01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 3: be a head coach, I get to try this, I

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01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 3: get the money that comes along with it.

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Speaker 2: Right, I think what that does It allows you to

1787
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 2: be choosy. Yeah, you can be picky. You don't have

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01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 2: to just jump at something. Look at the.

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Speaker 3: Circum Jacksonville, to me though, is still the biggest domino.

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01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 3: And I'm shocked that. My guess is there want Ben

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01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 3: Johnson or Monkin? I mean, either one of us is open.

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01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot that comes with that. If

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01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 3: you look at the lack of spending that goes on there.

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01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 3: It is very unique.

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01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if I thought I saw somebody projecting.

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01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 2: I think it was our buddy Graziano projected Helen Moore

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01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: to Dallas as the HC. That's what he projected to

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01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 2: come back. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Bill Benner, the Sporting News

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Speaker 2: is going to join us tomorrow the mail Bag as well.

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