Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to What Future. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Joshua Tapolski, and today we got a real banger, we
Speaker 1: got a real killer episode. We have invited back our
Speaker 1: friends Emil de Rosa and Ben Khan, formerly known as
Speaker 1: the hosts of a show called Trillionaire Mindset. But they
Speaker 1: have gone through a transition to a new place. They
Speaker 1: are moving on into a new state of being, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to them about it, and you know,
Speaker 1: about other stuff, because they're super interesting and I don't
Speaker 1: want to waste any time, so let's just get right
Speaker 1: into it. I want to set the scene actually for
Speaker 1: the people who are listening to this and it cannot
Speaker 1: see it. I've got Emeal and Ben here. They're back,
Speaker 1: and Emil is in a Uh he's in what looks like,
Speaker 1: I'd say a teenager's bedroom. Maybe actually it looks like
Speaker 1: it looks like a bedroom maybe where where somebody where
Speaker 1: it was It came pre it came pre decorated. He's
Speaker 1: an hotel. Where are you okay? He's waiting, waggling his
Speaker 1: fingers saying no. He's trying to get a worded edgewise.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's a dining room that has a desk off
Speaker 2: the side, and I think he's maybe referring to my
Speaker 2: very cool uh New Yorker artwork on the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every team has. Yeah, it looks like it looks
Speaker 1: like the department came with the New Yorker poster. That's
Speaker 1: it doesn't insult to you, or maybe you'll take it
Speaker 1: as an insult, okay. And then Ben much worse situation.
Speaker 1: He's sitting on a gray It looks like a sofa.
Speaker 1: I can't tell. It may be a nice sofa, but
Speaker 1: it looks like one of those sofas you see on
Speaker 1: the curb, you know, like someone threw it out because
Speaker 1: they got a new sofa. But that's the one. I
Speaker 1: hate this sofa, Yeah, that's the one you have. And
Speaker 1: then above you, directly symmetrically perfect above you is a
Speaker 1: in through wall air conditioner with the cord hanging down.
Speaker 1: So it's a real like one of the guys who
Speaker 1: gets killed and breaking bad during like a meth deal
Speaker 1: gone wrong. That's like the it's sort of that vibe. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not here to drag your apartments, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm here to talk about some real shit. I'm here
Speaker 1: to talk about some heavy stuff. But before we get
Speaker 1: into it, Emil, did you get your nose pierced since
Speaker 1: the last time we talked or was it Pierce? When
Speaker 1: the last time we talked.
Speaker 2: It was Pierce, But I might have I might have
Speaker 2: switched out the piercings. I think I might have had
Speaker 2: a stud last time, which is probably harder for you
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 1: That's right, even though we've got a very high resolution. Yeah,
Speaker 1: video images here. I like it. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm now rocking a gold nose ring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm My wife has septem piers, so I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of different varieties of septum jewelry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. You can play with them. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: little bit of a summer accessory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. Maybe I'll get a piercing of
Speaker 1: some sort. Maybe I'll I had my eyebrow pierce in
Speaker 1: my rave days that it grew out, which I thought
Speaker 1: was like the universe telling me not to have my
Speaker 1: eyebrow peers. It was sort of like my body rejected
Speaker 1: the concept, like the style, which I think is good.
Speaker 1: All right, So listen, let's I want to talk about
Speaker 1: a few things here that are very important. Now, you
Speaker 1: guys were on the show pretty recently, and after the show,
Speaker 1: by the way, because I had to listen to some
Speaker 1: episodes of it and watch some of you guys on YouTube.
Speaker 1: And then after the show, I was telling everybody I
Speaker 1: could find. I was like, these guys are really funny,
Speaker 1: you should eat and interesting. You should check out their podcast.
Speaker 1: Then I get some news. My phone starts blowing up
Speaker 1: just recently, and I see that you have left the
Speaker 1: trillionaire mindset completely and moved on. That's correct, And you
Speaker 1: now have a new podcast. Is that correct? That's right?
Speaker 1: Am I getting all this right? Is right? And your
Speaker 1: new podcast is called don't I don't want to mispronounce it,
Speaker 1: but is it called pay Pigs? Is that correct? Pay
Speaker 1: pigs with Ben and a meal? That is correct? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: paypigs with Ben and the meal.
Speaker 2: We wanted to make sure that is as soon as
Speaker 2: trillion in our mindset was was off the air, that
Speaker 2: we were right there with our audience still, and so
Speaker 2: we got to work. We built out, We built out
Speaker 2: an entire studio.
Speaker 1: You did, Why are you not coming to me from
Speaker 1: the studio an exact replica of a Meal's apartment. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you didn't get to take the desk, which you
Speaker 1: know I was very enamored with. You didn't get the
Speaker 1: desk for to get the desk? What happened? Can you
Speaker 1: tell me what happened? Why did Why is trillion our
Speaker 1: mindset not happening. You can give me the clean version,
Speaker 1: like the edited for radio version if you want, or
Speaker 1: you can give me the truth. That's up to you.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Sure, Emil, would you like me to feel this take
Speaker 3: a stab at it partner?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna take you stop.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Charlie Manson's style with that him, but
Speaker 3: one of the other ones.
Speaker 1: That would be someone else explained, No, he did. He
Speaker 1: told people to stab. But you should actually now tell
Speaker 1: Emial to do it because that would be more Charlotte.
Speaker 3: No, No, Emil is Chirlie Manson in this case. I'm one
Speaker 3: of the girls of Summer.
Speaker 1: It's a great and I guess you, I guess great
Speaker 1: stuff to be thinking about right now. But all right,
Speaker 1: let's here in a very dark place, Oh Jay Simpson,
Speaker 1: I'll go okay, so allegedly true.
Speaker 3: So basically, we came to a point with contracts where
Speaker 3: we just were at an impasse and had to part ways,
Speaker 3: and due to confidentiality agreements, we can't really say much
Speaker 3: more than that except for the yeah, we're now on
Speaker 3: our own.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, I mean classic media story Taylor, as old
Speaker 1: as time. I'm sure you've been there plenty of times.
Speaker 3: I have. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, you know, the funny thing about it is it's
Speaker 1: weird to do something within a within a business where
Speaker 1: you don't actually have ownership of stuff. And again I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't know your your total the exact situation,
Speaker 1: but obviously, like if you had ownership of trillion our mindset,
Speaker 1: you presumably would still be doing that, maybe just not
Speaker 1: with the same crew, right right. Actually, one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I ended up eventually doing a startup was because
Speaker 1: the idea of pouring all of this like energy and
Speaker 1: passion and creativity into something that I ultimately could not
Speaker 1: own in any way was you know, it sucked. It sucks,
Speaker 1: you know to a degree. I mean there's certain things
Speaker 1: you do with like you're an accountant and you're like
Speaker 1: doing you you work at H and R Block or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you're like doing taxes for people like I don't
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, I wish I could take ownership of
Speaker 1: these people's taxes. That doesn't make any sense, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, there's a lot of work you
Speaker 1: do if you work in retail, for instance, Like you're
Speaker 1: not like, why don't I own the gap? Probably right?
Speaker 1: But if you've built something like from the ground up
Speaker 1: that is like has your essentially your name and personality
Speaker 1: attached to it, and you don't own it, it's it's
Speaker 1: a painful. It's painful to have to walk away from it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but no, no,
Speaker 1: you you're you're on the right track. And that's not
Speaker 1: also a condemnation of TMG Studios are our former home
Speaker 1: at all. It's uh, it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been able to do what we did
Speaker 1: or create what we created without TMG Studios, without their reach,
Speaker 1: their expertise, their resources, and that comes at a cost,
Speaker 1: right you.
Speaker 3: It would be bad business of them to just be like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: and you guys can just the thing and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So yes, well you get what you're looking for. You,
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I mean, I can make an
Speaker 1: argument here. I could make an argument. May perhaps I
Speaker 1: will make an argument that listen, this is I don't
Speaker 1: want to get into the weeds with you. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a lot of wild contract shit that happened here,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a probably very difficult time in
Speaker 1: many ways to leave behind a creation. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's like you two are the replaceable part in
Speaker 1: my opinion of trillionaire mindset. That's just one man opinion,
Speaker 1: of course. Could you say replaceable or irreplaceable? No, did
Speaker 1: I say replaceable. I didn't mean to cut out. I
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to clarify for the audience.
Speaker 1: That's not what I That is not what I think
Speaker 1: what I thought I said was in Jenna. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can check the tape. But you guys are the irreplaceable
Speaker 1: part of trillion our mindset in my opinion. And uh,
Speaker 1: and so I assume that the people who like trillion
Speaker 1: our mindset are going to be eager to find pay Pigs.
Speaker 1: I do have to ask, though, tell me about the name.
Speaker 1: I know what the name. I know essentially what the
Speaker 1: name is referencing or the concept of it. Can you
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the name Paypigs and and
Speaker 1: what how that came came to be?
Speaker 2: The title Ben, So, would you like to be Charlie
Speaker 2: Manson at this point, and I'll be one of the gals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, yeah, go take out that stabbing knife we had.
Speaker 3: We had to come up with a new name, a
Speaker 3: new brand for the boys. We're in a funny space,
Speaker 3: which is sometimes we get lumped into finance bros.
Speaker 1: And it can be.
Speaker 2: The last thing we want is for people to be
Speaker 2: intimidated by the subject matter, right, and so we were
Speaker 2: always just thinking the same with joy in our mindset.
Speaker 2: You know, we want something that lets people know it's
Speaker 2: not your typical thing. It's gonna be goofy, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be accessible, it's gonna be fun, It's gonna be funny. Right, Yes,
Speaker 2: so I might I imagine you might be referring to the
Speaker 2: fact that pay pigs is a term in the kink community.
Speaker 1: It's a it is a Yeah. I mean that's how
Speaker 1: That's what I know it to be because I am one,
Speaker 1: you know, hardcore pay pig. A pay pig is like
Speaker 1: somebody who it's partially like maybe there are other meanings,
Speaker 1: but it's like a person who like wants to give
Speaker 1: someone money. Yeah, it's someone who gets off on financial domination.
Speaker 1: So you'll often see it findom exactly.
Speaker 2: You'll often see it in the Wall Streets base, where
Speaker 2: guys who have a lot of money will give you know,
Speaker 2: say a dominatrix a credit card, and they'll have her
Speaker 2: go out and spend a bunch of money, and they'll
Speaker 2: be you know, cleaning them in on how they're using
Speaker 2: their credit card and everything. And so we thought it
Speaker 2: just kind of fit in well with kind of subject
Speaker 2: matter we're talking about, and also our attitude about it.
Speaker 2: You know, we kind of think these Wall Street guys
Speaker 2: are ciccos we kind of think that these fat cats
Speaker 2: down in DC are sick.
Speaker 1: Goes okay, and Ben Ben isn't been a trader, hasn't
Speaker 1: been a professional trader. Is that am I? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's not a cicko. Sure, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 3: But financial domination is a really cool term, I think also,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it does apply to what the
Speaker 3: spirit of.
Speaker 1: Wall Street and kind of the economy is too.
Speaker 3: It's all about everybody's constantly getting financially dominated. We're all
Speaker 3: under the thumb of the powers that be. And then
Speaker 3: also lastly, one little thing, there's the old Wall Street
Speaker 3: adage Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs gets lottered.
Speaker 1: So wow, that's that's too long of a too long
Speaker 1: of a name for our new podcast. Though unfortunately, right,
Speaker 1: that's dark shit. That's really okay. I mean this makes sense.
Speaker 1: I like it, you know, I think it evokes something.
Speaker 1: It evokes a very strong image in one's mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's a dirty, nasty image, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I love that. And we're dirty nasty boys. Yes, no,
Speaker 1: I know if obviously you're you're filthy boys. But so
Speaker 1: are there going to be changes from truly our mindset?
Speaker 1: Are you do new things with the show? Is there
Speaker 1: anything that with the format that you might do differently? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think we will.
Speaker 3: First and foremost, we want to go from being once
Speaker 3: a week at an hour per episode to maybe two
Speaker 3: to three times a week at twenty to thirty minutes
Speaker 3: per episode. Oh interesting, because oftentimes we find ourselves not
Speaker 3: only missing certain news things that happened, but we also
Speaker 3: find ourselves just having to cram a week's worth of
Speaker 3: stuff into one episode. It's just not practical, right, So,
Speaker 3: and and also we we want to kind of go sorry,
Speaker 3: do you hear that fucking leaf blower?
Speaker 1: Do you hear, yes, yes, I mean you'll take it away, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we got we gotta talk about your studio situation
Speaker 1: more than anything. We got it. Listen, listen, I get it.
Speaker 1: You're in the early innings here, Okay, you just are
Speaker 1: in a transitional period. Don't stress out about this. We've
Speaker 1: all been there. Okay. I think I've had twenty fucking
Speaker 1: people in my in my living room trying to pick
Speaker 1: a name for a website. You know, it's right, it's
Speaker 1: I get it. We've all had the leaf blower, the
Speaker 1: leaf blower experience.
Speaker 2: To answer your question, I think you know. I don't
Speaker 2: think we want to just make trillion in our mindset too.
Speaker 2: I think we are. We're very proud of what we did.
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, that was a show we loved.
Speaker 2: But this is forced. This has forced us to kind
Speaker 2: of rebrand and rethink it. And what Ben said, that
Speaker 2: was something we had talked about for a while. This
Speaker 2: cutting it into shorter things where we can where we
Speaker 2: can cover more things and still have enough room in
Speaker 2: the episode where we're letting our personalities come out, because
Speaker 2: I think that is what is most fun about our show.
Speaker 2: We're talking about some heavy things but we like to
Speaker 2: be ourselves and inject a lot of humor into.
Speaker 1: It, and then it's got a much more intimate and
Speaker 1: personal feel to it. You know, if you've.
Speaker 2: Seen the first episode that's come out, it's just us
Speaker 2: and it's we're not on this set. And I think,
Speaker 2: I mean, I was surprised a little bit because I
Speaker 2: was a bit work. I was a bit worried there's
Speaker 2: obviously a drop off in production quality. Well, if you
Speaker 2: watched the last episode of Trillionaire mindset and then you
Speaker 2: watch the first episode of Paypigs. We moved from a
Speaker 2: very beautiful, expensive set that has you know, probably the
Speaker 2: highest end cameras you can use, and you know, all
Speaker 2: of that with producers around us, and then we moved
Speaker 2: to just, you know, the exact replica of my apartment
Speaker 2: set and right.
Speaker 1: Right the painstakingly detailed apartment set.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we were very worried that people were maybe
Speaker 2: going to have an issue with that, and we've found
Speaker 2: the vast majority of people it's quite the opposite. People
Speaker 2: seem very kind of excited and stoked that it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like the boys doing their thing, and so
Speaker 2: I'm pretty jacked about that.
Speaker 3: One more thing is that speaking to what a Meal
Speaker 3: said about the name Trilli in her mindset, we found
Speaker 3: the humor of it kind of went over a lot
Speaker 3: of people's heads. This was anecdotally from third parties of
Speaker 3: friends saying, hey, I recommended your show, but people, some
Speaker 3: people think that it's like just about finance. So we're
Speaker 3: hoping to get away from just being about finance and
Speaker 3: being more news driven current events, comedy news. Yes, right,
Speaker 3: events comedy news kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Right, interesting. Okay, so that's that's actually fascinating. I mean,
Speaker 1: even though the name itself is obviously very like money related,
Speaker 1: the the focus on I mean you guys, did I
Speaker 1: mean on the old show you definitely talked about stuff
Speaker 1: that wasn't just finance related, Like there's plenty of stuff, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you're saying, like, do you think that this new
Speaker 1: the new show gives you a freedom to go further,
Speaker 1: go outside the bounds of like I guess, like, yeah, trillion,
Speaker 1: their mindset is sort of a evokes a very specific
Speaker 1: kind of world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But I do think, you know, with the
Speaker 2: name and everything, I do, I think we like talking
Speaker 2: about this kind of stuff, even if it's current events stuff.
Speaker 2: We like talking about it through that specific lens of
Speaker 2: money and big business, because I think it is.
Speaker 1: It's everywhere, whether you like it or not. They it's everything.
Speaker 2: They control everything, and I think, you know, some people
Speaker 2: really like it, like doing it through a lens of politics,
Speaker 2: and that comes into a lot of the things we're
Speaker 2: talking about. But these are often you know, who's controlling
Speaker 2: the politicians and all of this stuff. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know, so when we're getting into a current event,
Speaker 2: we were like, well, let's get down to what's really
Speaker 2: going on here, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Right, I did read your reddit, because you guys have
Speaker 1: like a Reddit trillionaire mindset reddit where I was I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what was going on, you
Speaker 1: know when I when I heard that you were moving
Speaker 1: to this new thing, and you have some very dedicated fans.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got people who really like are invested
Speaker 1: in what you two are doing, which I think is
Speaker 1: a huge deal. I mean, dedicated is one way to
Speaker 1: put it.
Speaker 2: We me and Ben have both made peace with the
Speaker 2: fact that our fans will one day kill us, and
Speaker 2: that's okay with us.
Speaker 1: You feel like there's a thread there there, the violence
Speaker 1: of psychotic violent thread that might hit you somehow. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm joking. I love them. They are very dedicated. It's
Speaker 1: they are the best.
Speaker 2: And it has been very sweet this entire because you know,
Speaker 2: it's difficult. We really loved what we did and what
Speaker 2: we created, and we weren't stoked it was coming to
Speaker 2: an end. But it was really heartwarming, not only the Reddit,
Speaker 2: but comments on anything we're putting out, messages we would
Speaker 2: receive people think, you know, just the nicest things, and
Speaker 2: how much they appreciated us, like ways that we've impacted
Speaker 2: their lives.
Speaker 3: It was, it's really incredible, this poort. It's it's I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna second that. It's just it's wild that in
Speaker 3: order to be successful at this, you really don't need
Speaker 3: that big an audience. You just need the audience to
Speaker 3: be very sticky and very involved. In One of the
Speaker 3: ways that we that I personally try to keep that
Speaker 3: stickiness sticky is I try to be as active as
Speaker 3: possible in replying to.
Speaker 1: Comments on our like on our new YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Now I can actually be in there and actually reply
Speaker 3: responding to dms, which sometimes I'll dedicate an entire afternoon
Speaker 3: to on Twitter, on.
Speaker 1: Instagram, really wow.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because not only do I enjoy it, but
Speaker 3: just that little bit goes so such a long way.
Speaker 3: People appreciate it so much and without them, we wouldn't
Speaker 3: be able to do what we're doing. And if you
Speaker 3: never know who they're going to then share it with
Speaker 3: just it's it's it's important.
Speaker 2: Can I say one more thing about that too?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't know if we were
Speaker 1: at time. Yeah, that's it. We gotta sorry, I guess
Speaker 1: we gotta wrap up. This is great, though there's a.
Speaker 2: Bit of an upside and a downside to this. They're
Speaker 2: very dedicated and but it makes it hard for us
Speaker 2: to do things under wraps. So we were not ready
Speaker 2: to launch what we but what we were doing was
Speaker 2: setting up social accounts and YouTube accounts and just getting
Speaker 2: everything ready, and that included setting up our Patreon account.
Speaker 1: And so as soon as we set.
Speaker 2: Up an Instagram account, it was immediately found. It ended
Speaker 2: up on It ended up on the reddit, and then
Speaker 2: the Patreon we had set up ended up on the reddit.
Speaker 2: We had not even announced it yet, and hundreds of
Speaker 2: people were going to our Patreon to sign up for
Speaker 2: a thing that didn't even exist yet. And it was
Speaker 2: just like holy shit. Yeah, I mean, I mean, when
Speaker 2: did you when did you turn on this? By the way,
Speaker 2: I love the I love the Instagram. When did you
Speaker 2: turn on this Instagram account? Like, because you like how
Speaker 2: recently we turned it on like the Wednesday before, because
Speaker 2: our last episode came out the Friday, So we turned
Speaker 2: it on on the Wednesday, and we were going to
Speaker 2: announce it, yeah, friday after our last episode had come out,
Speaker 2: and it was already found and so before we could
Speaker 2: even announce anything, people were following.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you have tens of thousands of followers already,
Speaker 1: twelve thousand followers, right, you're you're I mean, that's that's huge.
Speaker 1: They talk about numbers in media and with podcasts, and
Speaker 1: there's like these fucking like Joe Rogan numbers or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you think everybody has to aspire to be like
Speaker 1: on the top, you know. And I can tell you, like,
Speaker 1: you know, with working on this podcast, in the early
Speaker 1: days of kind of figuring out what we were going
Speaker 1: to do, We're like looking at like the top one
Speaker 1: hundred Apple podcasts. We're like, oh, let's wait, people doing here,
Speaker 1: Like what are the names? Like when we were naming this.
Speaker 1: We're like, what are what's the kind of name that
Speaker 1: we might choose for this thing? And it's like if
Speaker 1: you compare yourself to like the top one hundred, and
Speaker 1: ultimately we picked a name that was very different than
Speaker 1: all those. But you know, it's like people thinking in
Speaker 1: the mindset like that's how it has to be for
Speaker 1: you to be successful, that you need to be in
Speaker 1: that top one hundred list or whatever. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: you guys may be in the top one hundred list soon,
Speaker 1: and I hope you are. We did crack it briefly
Speaker 1: when we launched. Yep, did you with trillionaire or with
Speaker 1: pay Pigs? So I think it's with pay Pigs. Really,
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 2: That it's a bit of an algorithm trick. I think
Speaker 2: when a new show comes out there, they're more prioritized,
Speaker 2: and because of our active fan base giving us a
Speaker 2: bunch of reviews and interacting with the show, I think
Speaker 2: we are really interesting from that. But it was still
Speaker 2: pretty cool. I think we had okay top thirty for
Speaker 2: a bid and now that's amazing.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Also, great life hack, Jenny. Can we relaunch
Speaker 1: this show and get a bunch of astroister reviews. I'm
Speaker 1: not they had real ones, but to all have to
Speaker 1: obviously pay people to review our show. That's very interesting.
Speaker 1: That's huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're exactly right. I think that's true. I
Speaker 2: think you know, it's funny. I was just reading a story.
Speaker 2: But do you know that comedy show Hollywood Handbook?
Speaker 1: You know, I know the name. It's a podcast. It's
Speaker 1: a fantastic show.
Speaker 2: It's been around for I think they just hit like
Speaker 2: their three hundredth or five hundredth episode.
Speaker 1: It's very funny show. Wow. But they were talking about
Speaker 1: I think so they were on a network. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It might have been like ear Roll or something like that,
Speaker 2: but basically they were like, we didn't work for the
Speaker 2: network system where it was all predicated on growth and
Speaker 2: hitting growth numbers and all this thing. And he was like,
Speaker 2: but what we did have was a very dedicated fan base.
Speaker 2: And they ended up just moving away from the network
Speaker 2: and then starting a Patreon and he was like, it's
Speaker 2: sustainable if this many people want to do it, but
Speaker 2: we can't. We're a weird show. I don't even know
Speaker 2: how to explain it to people. And so the growth
Speaker 2: model is very difficult but.
Speaker 1: We will find this not you guys that yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: are you saying you're a whe You know that was
Speaker 1: me quoting and pair of right right, right, Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't know where the quote was in. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be coming to clarify for the listener because you weren't
Speaker 1: doing air quotes the whole time, which is true is
Speaker 1: traditionally expected when you're quoting someone else. She does this
Speaker 1: all the time. I never know what he's talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like I just wanted to be sure that you
Speaker 1: were now not talking about your podcast. No, we're going
Speaker 1: to grow. Yeah, no, I think that's very likely if
Speaker 1: you've only done one episode. If you don't grow after that,
Speaker 1: then I think we'll know. You know, it was a
Speaker 1: great ride, but unfortunately time to hop off the train
Speaker 1: and hit the hit Walmart or whatever. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think the thing that you're talking about having this
Speaker 1: like this following is so valuable. And there's a great
Speaker 1: interview with the showrunner or the creator of The Babysitters
Speaker 1: Club show on Netflix. I don't know if you've read this,
Speaker 1: and I believe the interviews in New York Magazine and
Speaker 1: you know they were canceled after two seasons. But she's like,
Speaker 1: our viewership was you know, Netflix doesn't share numbers. It
Speaker 1: was really interesting to hear this. She's like, our viewership
Speaker 1: was higher than like most shows on Netflix and also
Speaker 1: from other in if you look at the competitive landscape
Speaker 1: of shows in that kind of genre or like, that
Speaker 1: totally killed them in terms of viewership, Like it had
Speaker 1: a huge audience, but in the world of Netflix, if
Speaker 1: it's not if it's not like a squid game kind
Speaker 1: of audience, then they're just sticked down at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the list, right Like so in the if you
Speaker 1: look at that that little microcosm, you know, in the
Speaker 1: world of Netflix, Babysitters Club was something even though it
Speaker 1: had like more viewership than a typical network show, for
Speaker 1: their purposes, it just it couldn't work, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think like that's a good illustration of like where
Speaker 1: having a dedicated, uh you know, fan base that wants
Speaker 1: to follow you can be really powerful because you can
Speaker 1: create things that are not going to be squid game level.
Speaker 1: And by the way, not that you guys, who knows,
Speaker 1: I mean, fucking paypas could be the next squid game.
Speaker 1: We don't know, you know, a year from now, I
Speaker 1: could be watching you guys battle to the death for
Speaker 1: a huge prize. I haven't watched squid Game, so I'm
Speaker 1: not really sure what the plot of it is, but
Speaker 1: I think it's something like that.
Speaker 2: You said that because we do we do play on
Speaker 2: executing poor people in the future, so I'm glad you
Speaker 2: mentioned that.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. I actually I had heard direst
Speaker 1: saw that on the reddit. People were saying that was
Speaker 1: getting me the season two. So okay. The business model
Speaker 1: is for you. You have a Patreon. I can't just listen
Speaker 1: to an episode. Can I just listen to an episode
Speaker 1: for free? Right? I can't? You can? You can? I can't.
Speaker 1: It's a widely available. But if I like you guys
Speaker 1: and I want to support you, I go to Patreon
Speaker 1: and I pay a monthly. Sometimes, I just.
Speaker 2: Want to be clear, even if you hate us and
Speaker 2: want to support us, you can get to patreon dot com.
Speaker 1: Right right. If you were like a person who derived
Speaker 1: some kind of pleasure from paying for things they didn't
Speaker 1: want or like, sure like probably in somewhere in the
Speaker 1: spectrum of pay pigging, there's some version of that, right Like,
Speaker 1: that feels like a little bit of a tweak on
Speaker 1: someone's using my credit card. I guess like a dominatrix
Speaker 1: could be like, I'm subscribing myself to all of these
Speaker 1: podcasts that you clearly dislike, and we are that's actually
Speaker 1: a pretty good one. We're here for that. Like if
Speaker 1: I were doming somebody and in a paypig scenario, I
Speaker 1: would probably I'd be like, what's your favorite podcast, and
Speaker 1: I'd find whatever the polar opposite of that is and
Speaker 1: subscribe them to it. Yeah, that'd be a good idea.
Speaker 1: You'd be a good domain interests. I'm thinking about going
Speaker 1: into it. Actually, I'm thinking a little side gal, little
Speaker 1: side hustle. You know, these days you got to be
Speaker 1: you always got to have something on the side.
Speaker 3: But sorry, Ben, I think you were. You were in
Speaker 3: the middle of Explainabar before. The model that we had
Speaker 3: before was we had Trillionaire Mindset, which was a show
Speaker 3: about finance and news in the markets, right, and then
Speaker 3: behind a paywall separately you could get Trillionaire Mindset ad free,
Speaker 3: and then on top of that we did bonus content.
Speaker 3: We did another hour of just us shooting the shit.
Speaker 3: It's just it was no no holds bar just whatever
Speaker 3: we wanted to talk about, and we got pretty There
Speaker 3: were some pretty emotional episodes where there was a mail
Speaker 3: bag episode where people asked us some pretty intimate questions
Speaker 3: and we shared just our feelings, thoughts, experiences, life, life
Speaker 3: lessons and stuff, and people really really responded to that
Speaker 3: and that was really cool because there was a lot
Speaker 3: of just out pouring of support and.
Speaker 1: Love and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Right, and now we are, since we are still just
Speaker 3: hitting the ground running and bought all the equipment ourselves
Speaker 3: and kind of scrambled to make this happen, we are
Speaker 3: currently basically just doing that kind of show that after
Speaker 3: hours e kind of show that's just us shooting the
Speaker 3: shit right for free, with the extra time behind a paywall.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Okay, so there is a paywall component, but
Speaker 1: it's not the main course essentially, is that right? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then with Patreon we've got other stuff.
Speaker 3: There's perks, like there's a discord and there's a there's
Speaker 3: two live shows that have sold out so far. I
Speaker 3: mean they sell out within twenty four hours, so hey,
Speaker 3: you get it.
Speaker 1: You did those? Those are done. The second one is
Speaker 1: on July eleventh, isn't the one in Brooklyn, the jourdy
Speaker 1: to that one at the Bellhokay, right, I think I
Speaker 1: try to come out and see that one. But how
Speaker 1: are you doing it?
Speaker 2: Those were those were never called Billionaire Mindset Live. Those
Speaker 2: were always been in a meal live that was just
Speaker 2: me and Ben.
Speaker 1: Interesting, So that part of it was not part of
Speaker 1: the contractual arrangement with the right. Right. Okay, okay, that's good,
Speaker 1: that's smart, that's great. You keep doing the live show
Speaker 1: you what level of the Patreon would I have to
Speaker 1: put in to become an ongoing part of the podcast,
Speaker 1: like an on air part of that? What would the
Speaker 1: investment on a Patreon level be for someone if they
Speaker 1: were a super fan not saying me, but a one
Speaker 1: someone who follows you. Is there a number that you
Speaker 1: think like an ongoing like a monthly installment payment of
Speaker 1: X gets you you are a recurring guest on the podcast. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean that would happen like twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a month and you get to be a recurring guest
Speaker 1: of the podcast. That's not enough.
Speaker 3: I was going to say like five hundred dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Now once a month we have a ten minute segment.
Speaker 3: What five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: No, that's too low. I think that's not him and
Speaker 1: someone else. Well, yeah, I would pay more. I mean,
Speaker 1: if anything, I wouldn't bring any permanent guest, so well,
Speaker 1: like a recurring let's say, well, actually you could have tears, right,
Speaker 1: you could have a recurring guest, right, you get somebody
Speaker 1: who comes on occasionally, maybe they get to be on
Speaker 1: once a month or something. And then how many shows
Speaker 1: do you think you're gonna do every week? You said
Speaker 1: two or three? You don't know yet, two or three can? Okay,
Speaker 1: the people are gonna want you to get specific about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do like once a month YouTube live for
Speaker 1: like an hour hour and a half. Those are always
Speaker 1: uh something? And what tier? Could I become a co
Speaker 1: host on the YouTube live? Like? You guys got to
Speaker 1: really spice up, you know you can. You could be
Speaker 1: really creative with this, you know, Like, but what would
Speaker 1: be a third host? What do you think the monthly
Speaker 1: cost would be for someone to become the third host
Speaker 1: of of pay picks? Yeah, I don't know. Five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm really good at negotiating it sounds well,
Speaker 3: started high and then I went low.
Speaker 1: You get Ony five thousand, and I was like, we're
Speaker 1: in the money you addressed for the job that you want,
Speaker 1: is what they say. And so five hundred bucks a
Speaker 1: month for a permanent, permanent co host slot. No, we're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's YouTube Live. I want to just be I
Speaker 1: want to be a I want to be on YouTube Live.
Speaker 1: Not me again, I'm not and I'm not asking for
Speaker 1: a friend. I'm just curious what would it cost someone?
Speaker 1: Is there a number you could even consider for that's
Speaker 1: for that's that type of thing. That is a good question.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because that's the kind of crazy shit
Speaker 1: you could do with a Patreon.
Speaker 2: I would start considering anything above five thousand dollars a month.
Speaker 2: I would entertain the idea because you have to remember,
Speaker 2: if it was someone like you, you know, you've got
Speaker 2: a lot of media experience, You've got a lot of
Speaker 2: hohostry experience.
Speaker 1: That's one thing.
Speaker 2: But I would have to imagine this person is not
Speaker 2: going to be that, and it'd rightly take the show
Speaker 2: the just the third month, Who's like, not you get it?
Speaker 1: Well, it's so okay interesting, So you're like, well, five
Speaker 1: thousand a month would be enough to possibly tank the show.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, you mean, just but just that YouTube live.
Speaker 1: We can find a way to make it work. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking like what like ten grand a month,
Speaker 1: fifteen grand a month for like a I'm a host
Speaker 1: of the show, I'm a co host. I mean, you
Speaker 1: could find some great talent that way. It's interesting, just an.
Speaker 3: Interesting thought, thinking like what the couple of Saudi princes
Speaker 3: that we have in our in our fan base?
Speaker 1: Do you badly pay? Do you have Saudi princes in
Speaker 1: your fan base? I doubt it, but that would be
Speaker 1: fucking cool. Well, I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but the Saudis are making the Saudis are making a
Speaker 1: lot of investments in US businesses and then just in
Speaker 1: trying to diversify their you know, their holdings. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I assume you saw the news about why
Speaker 1: they don't just actually my understanding is they're trying to
Speaker 1: diverse fy away from from oil is actually a big
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, And so you think immediately,
Speaker 1: you know, what's a huge industry that's generating a ton
Speaker 1: of money, like an oil level golf exactly exactly hit
Speaker 1: the nail on the head. It's like military industrial complex, oil, professional.
Speaker 4: Golf, just like those are the top tier money.
Speaker 1: How about this? What are stories that are happening that
Speaker 1: are unfolded that you may not have done or talked
Speaker 1: about that much on Trilling your mindset? But you're going
Speaker 1: to put a little bit more time and effort into
Speaker 1: on the new show.
Speaker 2: We've got the general election coming up that everyone's gonna
Speaker 2: be talking will probably be we'll probably paying close attention
Speaker 2: to politics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, more political commentary. Yeah, there's a lot of loopy
Speaker 1: shit going on. We covered a lot of RFK, a
Speaker 1: lot of RSK. Junior, Oh yeah, RFK. What's going on
Speaker 1: with this fucking guy? Okay, so a couple of things.
Speaker 3: I ran into a funny conundrum where I can do
Speaker 3: an impression of him very easily because he's got a
Speaker 3: very distinct voice.
Speaker 1: I've heard him speak. I mean, if you did it,
Speaker 1: could you do a little bit for us here? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm going to put you on the spot. Sure.
Speaker 3: Well, he's got an affliction in a vocal box, so
Speaker 3: he can't really talk.
Speaker 1: Oh right, that's what that is. What he sounds. It's
Speaker 1: very very hard to listen to. Yeah, we were ablest
Speaker 1: that's ablest of you. But fine, carry on, go ahead
Speaker 1: fucking destroy your career's crime. We built the bulk of
Speaker 1: the impression behind the paywall. Oh that's good, because you
Speaker 1: know what's good. There's no way to any of that
Speaker 1: could leak out and have people just saying you're a
Speaker 1: fucking ableist. Behind closed doors, I mean, I would just say,
Speaker 1: let me give you a little I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: a little professional advice now, if you don't mind, sure,
Speaker 1: I think by the way, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think you'll be dinged too bad on that. It is
Speaker 1: a distinct way of speaking. But here's the thinking. You're
Speaker 1: not making fun of him, but.
Speaker 2: Doing an impression. Of doing an impression of the president
Speaker 2: is like part of the game, right, every SNL, every
Speaker 2: cast needs someone who can do Trump Biden can look.
Speaker 1: That is the way he sounds, and you're not making
Speaker 1: fun of his, of this issue that he has, You're
Speaker 1: just trying to recreate his I just want to be clear,
Speaker 1: I'm joking about the ableism. I don't believe exactly what.
Speaker 1: I don't believe you doing a an impression of him
Speaker 1: is ablest by nature, and in fact it's ablest to
Speaker 1: say that it is in a way because it suggests
Speaker 1: that the only reason you could be doing the impression,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's just like you're where
Speaker 1: does your brain? Why is your brain going?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I will say, if you're gonna do something
Speaker 1: that's questionable, put it behind the paywall is like not
Speaker 1: the answer in my opinion, Like on a professional I
Speaker 1: give you on a professional level. If you're like, well
Speaker 1: it's but it's behind the paywall, it almost adds it
Speaker 1: makes it a little bit more problematic. I would say
Speaker 1: in a way like if you didn't think it could
Speaker 1: go on the main show, no, it's good, listen it
Speaker 1: on the main show.
Speaker 3: And then he wanted to and you wanted to talk
Speaker 3: more about him, So I was like, all right, screw it,
Speaker 3: let's just keep going.
Speaker 1: You got to remember, Okay, here's the thing, like for
Speaker 1: the big dogs, there's no repercussions. Okay, they're not going there.
Speaker 1: Nothing's going to happen to them, right right, Like Rogan,
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan had to like twenty years of podcast where
Speaker 1: he's just sing the it said was saying the N
Speaker 1: word for reasons that nobody just saying the most racist shit,
Speaker 1: just the most crazy shit, like so racist, you're like,
Speaker 1: there's no way to hear this without going that's just
Speaker 1: patently racist. Yeah, and he was looking, I'm true, sorry
Speaker 1: about that or whatever, and that was it. That was it.
Speaker 1: He's fine. Spotify didn't do shit, people didn't stop listening,
Speaker 1: and he's fine. Nobody's gonna say shit about it. You,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, one false move, one wrong move,
Speaker 1: one false step, and you'll be squashed like a bug
Speaker 1: by people on Twitter. That'll be it for you. You'll
Speaker 1: be nothing true. You'll be then that.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we cut out that segment where I make
Speaker 3: fun of of Americans.
Speaker 1: Then, so you know what happen is you'll have to
Speaker 1: re emerge as a right wing person, which is the
Speaker 1: only way to re establish your your dominance in the
Speaker 1: podcasting where it was to start like a whatever, like
Speaker 1: the Republican version of pay Pigs would be, which I did.
Speaker 3: The same.
Speaker 1: It's the same. We just say the R word now, right,
Speaker 1: just like Rogan, just like broke in which I which
Speaker 1: I like, which I am great. Okay, So anyhow, so
Speaker 1: you talked about RFK, but RFK the thing that is
Speaker 1: odd to me is that he's getting like regular coverage
Speaker 1: because he's Robert Kennedy's child. We're like, okay, we gotta
Speaker 1: take him seriously. But he has some like tremendously batshit
Speaker 1: crazy ideas about medicine, like, you know, dangerously batshit crazy
Speaker 1: ideas about like vaccines, Like he's like, you don't need
Speaker 1: a vaccine, you just need to work out more. I mean,
Speaker 1: like literally, there's a video. You've seen the video of him,
Speaker 1: I assume like doing push ups in genes. I assume
Speaker 1: I'll see in that. Yeah, videos, he's got a great body.
Speaker 1: It's got a great body. I'd love to get he's
Speaker 1: got a hard body, like to get my hands on it.
Speaker 1: But then when body, if he starts talking about his ideas,
Speaker 1: then we've got a real problem. I don't want it.
Speaker 2: I think this is why you're seeing so much of him.
Speaker 2: He's doing a good job of capturing this audience because
Speaker 2: he's going on he's going on podcasts, which is you know,
Speaker 2: the you know, in the twenty twenty election, some people
Speaker 2: went on podcasts. Bernie Sanders went on Joe Rogan, do.
Speaker 1: I hear am I hearing the invitation? I feel like
Speaker 1: I might be am I hearing an RFK Junior, You're
Speaker 1: like saying I need to engage more with his I
Speaker 1: would love to have him now, that would be great,
Speaker 1: that would be huge for you. I'd like to get
Speaker 1: our Jenna. Can we book RFK Junior on this podcast? Actually,
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, let's let's I would like to book
Speaker 1: him if at all possible. Can we look into that? Sure?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Okay, sorry, let's get back back you guys.
Speaker 1: He would probably do it. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine Joe Biden doing a an hour and
Speaker 2: a half longing?
Speaker 1: Definitely? We also see we can book Joe Biden. You
Speaker 1: would come on the show for an hour and a
Speaker 1: half on my show? No, I don't think he would,
Speaker 1: but there's it. You never know. He might. Maybe he
Speaker 1: listens to it. Maybe his grandkids are like big if speech.
Speaker 1: I'd fucking love to talk to Joe Biden. Man, he's
Speaker 1: so cool. So he's the best. I love Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: just a cool guy, just cruising Jenna. Can you please
Speaker 1: put both Joe Biden and RFK Junior on the guest
Speaker 1: list or just on the we want I'm dead serious,
Speaker 1: I'm going to reach out to his campaign, and Jenny,
Speaker 1: can you just make sure you get to them before
Speaker 1: Ben does, because I need I need him, I need
Speaker 1: to engage with him on some of his ideas in
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 5: And has no Booker now, right, so I'll beat him
Speaker 5: no matter what.
Speaker 1: All Right, you got to Booker. You're all on your own.
Speaker 1: Very good, Very good, Jenna, Thank you for that masterful
Speaker 1: stroke of strategy. Right. You think that you think he's
Speaker 1: getting attentions because he's going on podcasts. I think it's
Speaker 1: a very podcaster centric view of things. Can I be
Speaker 1: honest with you.
Speaker 2: Dude, Everyone listens to the podcast, especially like the very
Speaker 2: like online people who.
Speaker 1: Are Yeah, I'm not debating that I believe. I think
Speaker 1: you're right, but I think it has a lot more
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that he's a Kennedy, I
Speaker 1: have to tell you. And if I just on the
Speaker 1: basic reality of our media landscape, I think, first off,
Speaker 1: that family is a fascinating, weird, tragic It's the most
Speaker 1: elvis of the political families, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like they are the elvis of politics, if that makes
Speaker 1: any sense. It's endlessly entertaining, It's fucking camelot. It's an
Speaker 1: American story. The assassination is a mysterious, fucking Pandora's box
Speaker 1: that we've never quite figured out. His assassination, his dad's assassination,
Speaker 1: you know, a Pandora's box. That whole thing is just
Speaker 1: like you say, Kennedy, and people are immediately interested. They
Speaker 1: want to like see that person. What sucks about it
Speaker 1: is a person with these ideas should be fairly like
Speaker 1: laughed out of the room by most serious people, and
Speaker 1: he is laughed out of a lot of rooms, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying, you know, this is so funny.
Speaker 1: I hear myself saying it. And I think about people
Speaker 1: going like, oh, you don't want people to have free speech,
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be able to express their opinions. Why shouldn't
Speaker 1: he get coverage even if he doesn't agree with what
Speaker 1: you agree with, And it's like, sure, you know that's true.
Speaker 1: But I do think there's an outsized amount of attention
Speaker 1: put on him because of his family name, not his
Speaker 1: great policies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it also be because he's had
Speaker 3: kind of a ground swell on social media. TikTok has
Speaker 3: played a big part of it. Going on, Joe Rogan
Speaker 3: was probably a huge, huge bump for him, because once
Speaker 3: you get a compelling enough sound bite that catches fire
Speaker 3: on the TikTok algorithm, then it's really hard to put
Speaker 3: the genie back in the bottle, and then it becomes our.
Speaker 3: It's like liver King, that guy fucking liver King for
Speaker 3: a hot couple of months on TikTok and all the
Speaker 3: liver media.
Speaker 1: Liver King.
Speaker 3: Liver King is a guy who is all about like
Speaker 3: living like caveman and living like caveman, and he's never
Speaker 3: got his shirt on and he's just he eats like.
Speaker 1: Is he rid?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, And he was everywhere he was going
Speaker 3: on every single podcast, and part of it was because
Speaker 3: that's what the TikTok algorithm dictated.
Speaker 1: Okay, putting him. Jenna Jennet, can we get liver King?
Speaker 1: Can we get him on on the booking list? Would
Speaker 1: like to talk to liver.
Speaker 5: King from Grace, Like, I also think he really chased
Speaker 5: off getting.
Speaker 1: All this raw me.
Speaker 5: He turned out to be like not who he said
Speaker 5: he was.
Speaker 1: Wow, Witch, it was that And it turns out that
Speaker 1: he took steroids. Oh well. He stills one point eight
Speaker 1: million followers on Instagram, though doesn't it. I mean, it's god,
Speaker 1: oh humanity.
Speaker 2: Do you know how much seething jealousy I felt when
Speaker 2: you said, who's liver?
Speaker 1: King? To not have that on my head? I'm definitely
Speaker 1: less online than I have been in probably twenty years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So liver here is meaning like he's living, not like
Speaker 1: in reference to the body part, right.
Speaker 2: No, No, he hates a lot of raw liver because
Speaker 2: because it's the most nutrient dense part.
Speaker 5: You guys are all missing the commonalities here, which is
Speaker 5: like you're talking about two white men with their shirt
Speaker 5: off all the time, Like, well, true, and Joe Rogan
Speaker 5: does that too, So I would just like to say
Speaker 5: there's a common trophy.
Speaker 1: Alex Jones. Alex Jones also took a shirt off a lot. Actually,
Speaker 1: now that you mention it, maybe we're missing.
Speaker 2: And out on all four of them. All four of
Speaker 2: those guys are beat red.
Speaker 1: For something from steroids. I think from drugs and steroids.
Speaker 1: What I don't they don't seem like people who are
Speaker 1: living actual healthy lifestyles, Like they don't. They don't strike
Speaker 1: me as people who are legitimately in good like shape,
Speaker 1: like like, yes, he looks like RFK Junior looks like
Speaker 1: he's in good shape, but like one bad flu and
Speaker 1: that guy's fucking done for right, Okay, straight up. I mean,
Speaker 1: not everybody's gonna die from a bad flu, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't help if you don't have the flu vaccine, you know,
Speaker 1: And he's not getting that shit.
Speaker 3: So I don't know a lot of these these right
Speaker 3: wing people. Now, it seems like now they just they're
Speaker 3: going back and questioning everything we've ever been taught. And
Speaker 3: I saw a few months ago some some prominent right
Speaker 3: wing accounts talking about how sunglasses are bullshit and how
Speaker 3: they've been lying to us, and how it's actually good
Speaker 3: for your eyes.
Speaker 1: There's yeah, I mean, there's fucking it's crazy. The position
Speaker 1: of the right wing party in this country is not
Speaker 1: to go down a rabbit hole. But it's like there's
Speaker 1: no policy position. It's all cultural and social and it's
Speaker 1: all just a bunch of like a schmorgasboard of batshit
Speaker 1: crazy grievances that have nothing to do with how anybody's
Speaker 1: actually living their life. Like the trans stuff is like
Speaker 1: it is a rounding error percentage of Americans who have
Speaker 1: to consider or engage with anything happening with trans people,
Speaker 1: and it has become a centerpiece of their policy for
Speaker 1: reasons that is like beyond comprehension. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: they're trying to stir people up to think that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like their pedophile projection that somehow it's an extension
Speaker 1: of their pedophile projection that like Democrats are really into
Speaker 1: child abuse. That is the best they could come up with,
Speaker 1: which is like a schoolyard taunt at best kind of
Speaker 1: It's exhausting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think if you were to go
Speaker 2: around any neighborhood and just knock on the door and
Speaker 2: be like, hey, what are the things you're most concerned
Speaker 2: about politically, Like what do you what do you what
Speaker 2: do you most want to hear from a candidate? I
Speaker 2: don't think the things that that person would say would
Speaker 2: be the things that are being talked about.
Speaker 1: On their news. They're like, I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Like they probably say, I want to be able to
Speaker 2: afford the you know, healthcare for my family.
Speaker 1: Right job like jobs to the economy.
Speaker 2: I want job safety, I want to make sure education
Speaker 2: is available to my creators.
Speaker 1: That kind of thing, Yes, normal things, normal things that
Speaker 1: normal people think about. That is actually a problem.
Speaker 2: And I think that's across the spectrum, Like that's left
Speaker 2: and right. I don't care who whose door are you not?
Speaker 1: I agree with you, think people I do agree with you,
Speaker 1: but I think generally speaking as of late, as of
Speaker 1: like the last I don't know, let's say decade ish,
Speaker 1: but definitely it's been going on for a long time,
Speaker 1: but there is really only one party that seems to
Speaker 1: be engaging with like trying to do things for people
Speaker 1: who live in the country that like who need help
Speaker 1: and need support. Like it feels like, you know, like
Speaker 1: Obamacare is a thing that would the Republicans did not
Speaker 1: want that. They don't want people to have health insurance, like,
Speaker 1: and people really want health insurance, and like the only
Speaker 1: the people who say they don't want health insurance just
Speaker 1: don't know that they need it. Like basically they're like
Speaker 1: not really aware of how important having health insurance is.
Speaker 1: You know, we're like one of the sickest countries in
Speaker 1: the world, Like we have we have people who are
Speaker 1: so sick and dying here and it's like has a
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with the fact that
Speaker 1: we don't have readily available, universally available health care for people.
Speaker 2: Josh the Free, the free market will take care of that.
Speaker 1: U COMMI sure, I mean, I'm not. I see lots
Speaker 1: of wonderful, industrialized, very successful, very rich countries that have
Speaker 1: uh just even a basic form of some kind of socializa.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get up on my on my
Speaker 1: soapbox here. You no, no, I understand, I know you agree
Speaker 1: with me. You're a burney guy. You fucking give it
Speaker 1: all away. You'd love to have everybody just just step
Speaker 1: up to there's a you know, on every street corner,
Speaker 1: there's a machine. You just hit a number and it
Speaker 1: spits out as much money as you want. That's what
Speaker 1: you'd like. I understand, you know, you know, but you
Speaker 1: guys aren't. You're not living in reality. Fucking Bernie, you
Speaker 1: know it's going to skateboard into the White House and
Speaker 1: uh you know, fucking dude, hell you make America skate again, baby,
Speaker 1: skateboard into the White House and turn off the military
Speaker 1: industrial complex, leaving us exposed, our borders open, wide open,
Speaker 1: fucking uh you know, exposed to the threat of the Chinese.
Speaker 1: But hey, listen, could happen, could be see this is
Speaker 1: where I'm trying to take the show in a more
Speaker 1: of a RFKI junior direction, you know, like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of money.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of a lot of money direction. Look
Speaker 2: at the lucrative director.
Speaker 1: No it is, That's what I'm saying. And then once
Speaker 1: the tapes aret come out, with all of his ableism,
Speaker 1: he'll have to, unfortunately move in that direction, which is Emil.
Speaker 1: You could, you could still, you could still salvage what's
Speaker 1: left of your career here, but uh, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough to get out from under that shadow. You know.
Speaker 2: I will say I did participate. I played a I
Speaker 2: was playing a reporter that was asking RFK Junior questions.
Speaker 1: So I think I might be culpable if I were you,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said that on another podcast. Personally, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it out. But yeah, Jenna, can we take Jenna?
Speaker 1: Is there anybody we can cut that out? Hey, that's
Speaker 1: just one guy's, one old guy's opinion. Okay, we should
Speaker 1: wrap up. I mean, we could go for much longer,
Speaker 1: and there are many things I'd love to talk to
Speaker 1: you guys about, but all we will have to do
Speaker 1: is I will give you that five thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: month and then just pop on whenever no, you'll come back,
Speaker 1: especially after you get after you get the paypig stuff rolling.
Speaker 1: And so you've got a live show. I just want
Speaker 1: to I want to recap, I want to give you
Speaker 1: any I want to give you as much promo love
Speaker 1: as humanly possible. You have a live show in Brooklyn
Speaker 1: at the Bellhouse on July eleventh. What time does that
Speaker 1: show start? That is such a good question. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter because it's sold out. It's sold out,
Speaker 1: a sold out fucking show. Look at these guys and
Speaker 1: then filed out in a day. And pay pigs I
Speaker 1: can find pay pigs on Instagram, pay pigs Pod at
Speaker 1: paypigs Pod. Was you got a Twitter handle? What what's
Speaker 1: your Twitter hand? All socials All Socials or pay pigs
Speaker 1: pay pigs Pod. And what about if I'm on if
Speaker 1: I want to hit if on a cruise to Patreon
Speaker 1: that's Patreon dot com slash paypigs Pod. Correct, Apparently you
Speaker 1: get a fifteen dollars a VC fund fifteen dollars a
Speaker 1: month level. This is good stuff.
Speaker 3: Very interesting to update that with with what you get
Speaker 3: because so far it's just you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no difference from piggy tear at this time, which
Speaker 1: is yeah, yeah, it doesn't. I'm not feeling like it's
Speaker 1: selling me on it, but uh, you know, you got
Speaker 1: to do your own thing anyhow. Look, guys, i just
Speaker 1: want to say, as expected, this was super fun. I'm
Speaker 1: very excited for your new this next chapter of your careers.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have a lot of challenges ahead, a
Speaker 1: lot of new frontiers to chart and uh and I'm
Speaker 1: excited to watch it unfold. Thank you. And I just
Speaker 1: want to say I'm not going to pay the Patreon,
Speaker 1: but I support you guys like you know, in spirit,
Speaker 1: like I feel, I want you to succeed. I believe
Speaker 1: you can succeed. And I'll be watching and also regularly
Speaker 1: inviting you back to check in on the progress. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much us coming from you that means a lot.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Josh. That feels so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well. Those guys are great. I love I love,
Speaker 1: I love those two. They're the future, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: the future of podcasting as we know it, the future
Speaker 1: of hard right, hard right wing podcasts, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: excited to see how it all unfolds. Well. That us
Speaker 1: our show for this week. We'll be back next week
Speaker 1: with more what future, and as always, I wish you
Speaker 1: and your family the very very best.