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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: John Thomas with us as a classic Silicon Valley tech guy.

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Speaker 2: After receiving his chemical engineering degree, John worked for many

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Speaker 2: years in various technical fields, including software, semiconductors' advanced battery technologies,

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Speaker 2: and along the way he was able to see the

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Speaker 2: environmental impact of these technologies and he developed a deep

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Speaker 2: appreciation for those companies that were serious about creating sustainable

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Speaker 2: practices protecting the environment as well. In Channel Messages of Hope,

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Speaker 2: John led the more technical interviews and participated with Carolyn

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Speaker 2: Thomas and most others. He's currently the CEO of a

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Speaker 2: startup developing highly sustainable technologies in the food and agricultural industries. John,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the.

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Speaker 3: Program, Jurage. It's a pleasure. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in this sub took better

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Speaker 2: of Challenging Messages of Hope.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, Carolyn Thomas, my wife. She is

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Speaker 3: the primary author, the interviewer, the inspiration and you know,

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Speaker 3: I can go into what her background too, but what

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Speaker 3: happened is when she came up with this idea. It

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Speaker 3: turns out it was not her idea. It was actually

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Speaker 3: an idea from a group that we'll call the Council

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Speaker 3: for Now to talk about messages of hope around global

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Speaker 3: warming and the climate change because there's so many people

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Speaker 3: that are very concerned about this right now and they

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Speaker 3: really don't know where things are going or whether we

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Speaker 3: should have hope. They see so many issues and you know, unresolved,

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Speaker 3: you know, situations around the globe. Actually, so when Carolyn

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Speaker 3: started talking to different souls about this, obviously we needed

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Speaker 3: to talk some of the highly technical souls and so

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Speaker 3: that is not really her background. So she asked me

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Speaker 3: to join at that point to aid in interviewing of

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Speaker 3: the more technical souls around some of the aspects of

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Speaker 3: climate change. And so that's how I got involved. And

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Speaker 3: so I got in. It was about the fourth interview

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Speaker 3: in although I was clearly aware of everything that was

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Speaker 3: from that point going forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam Markin was the channeler, right, that is correct,

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Speaker 2: And tell us a little bit more about Carolyn.

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Speaker 3: So Carolyn is you know, we we live here in California,

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Speaker 3: We're in Silicon Valley, and Carolyn has worked in different

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Speaker 3: fields such as finance, things like that. She has a

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Speaker 3: degree in business and marketing. But she's always had a

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Speaker 3: very spiritual aspect to her seeking, I guess we can say.

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Speaker 3: And Carolyn retired actually a little while back out of

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Speaker 3: doing some work. She was working in some various tech companies.

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Speaker 3: She worked in venture capital for a while that she

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Speaker 3: a spiritual path ever since. And so the idea for

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Speaker 3: this book came to her kind of threw a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a meandering path. It all started with her

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Speaker 2: Now, how did you key in on the individuals that

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Speaker 2: are in the book? And I'm going to buzz through

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Speaker 2: some of the names here that we'll be talking about tonight,

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Speaker 2: and that's quite extensive, but they include Senator John McCain

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Speaker 2: who passed away in twenty eighteen, Nicola Tesla, Mark Twain,

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Speaker 2: Jacques Gusteau, Albert Einstein, Well Hat Mascon, the President, Theodore Roosevelt,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, doctor Wayne Dyer, who was a guest

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Speaker 2: on our program many Times, President Reagan, how did you

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Speaker 3: Well, at first, Carolyn came up with her list, and

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Speaker 3: you know, it came to her in several different different ways.

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Speaker 3: She came up with her list, but she was really

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Speaker 3: getting downloads, as she calls them, from her primary let

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Speaker 3: a member of what we would call the Council, which

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Speaker 3: of Hope focused on this first book on climate change,

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Speaker 3: And it's a very as you mentioned you went through

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Speaker 2: And what was the method that you used John to

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Speaker 3: So Sam is what we would call a voice channeler.

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Speaker 3: So just a little bit of background on Sam. Sam

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Speaker 2: Did you participate John, and all the interviews yourself as well?

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Speaker 3: I did. I wasn't. I listened in, but it wasn't

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Speaker 3: Carolyn would do. She was, you know, this is her

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Speaker 2: Of all the guests, of the famous people that you interviewed,

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Speaker 3: Well, if you asked Carolyn, John McCain really made an

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Speaker 3: And John McCain made a point that he did, and

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Speaker 3: in future Channel Messages of Hope books, John McCain will

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Speaker 3: be in there on topics like overcoming tremendous life challenges

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