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Speaker 1: Two Teas and a Pod which Teddy Mellencamp and camera Judge.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas and

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Speaker 2: a Pause. Is myself and Sambra Judge, and we have

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Speaker 2: our very own Alex Baskin here. He submitted a very

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Speaker 2: serious photograph, very Zoolander.

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Speaker 3: It's very Zoolander. It's sex appeal. And I like the

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Speaker 3: tan too.

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Speaker 4: He's very tanned. He's normally pasty white in person.

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Speaker 3: A touch of a smirk because he's up to no good.

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Speaker 3: His bio reads.

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Speaker 2: Alex Baskin, CEO of the newly launched thirty two Flavors Entertainment,

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Speaker 2: is the executive producer of long running hit shows including

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Speaker 2: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, The Real Housewives of

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Speaker 2: Orange County, Vander Rules, and Botch, as well as forthcoming

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Speaker 2: series four, among others Netflix, Ulu and Paramount Plutz, as

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Speaker 2: well as feature films. As the president of Evolution Media,

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Speaker 2: he oversaw more than four dozen series during his tenure.

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Speaker 2: Along with his business partner.

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Speaker 3: He sold the company to MGM in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: I would like to see the Twatts in there as

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Speaker 4: one of your shows that you're producing.

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Speaker 3: The new twat show.

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Speaker 5: I am. I'm very excited you guys make guest appearances.

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Speaker 5: I did, we don't.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So thirty two flavors, can you just set the

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Speaker 4: record straight? Did your family did your family own thirty

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Speaker 4: one Flavors? Well, Alex Baskin.

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Speaker 5: Alex Baskin, My god, this is the hot seat. I

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Speaker 5: to tell you too that this is ground zero of

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Speaker 5: my misery. You guys call me more problems in this show.

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Speaker 5: Its popularity has.

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Speaker 4: Just answer the question.

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Speaker 5: So okay, thanks Baskin.

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Speaker 3: Robbins.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, my dad's uncle founded.

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Speaker 2: Uncle so pretty much related as Heather Gay is to

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Speaker 2: me rose to me, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: How much?

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Speaker 5: But you guys are scandalizing this. I mean you're you know.

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Speaker 4: That's what we do for a living.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 4: I mean the company is just like what you do

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Speaker 4: to us, just like you do to us.

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Speaker 5: Oh treat me like.

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Speaker 2: No, you realize I didn't know this until I asked Kyle.

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Speaker 2: I go, is this actually Alex's email? And she goes, yes,

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Speaker 2: Teddy bask and like you didn't get that, and I was.

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Speaker 5: Like, no, we didn't. Yes, it's a player on the

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Speaker 5: company that I played no role in. That's exactly flavors.

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Speaker 5: I can confirm that, but we added one more flavor. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 5: that's exactly. Yeah, and I am enough.

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Speaker 3: You are enough? Are you Twizzler flavor?

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Speaker 5: Is that or love those Twizzlers? Cannot get it us?

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Speaker 2: But you also have a podcast coming out. Yeah, my gosh,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a big competition. Are you in TV

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Speaker 2: and film?

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Speaker 5: What's your Well, there's yeah, more to come on that,

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Speaker 5: but podcast launches November fourteenth, and it's behind the scenes

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Speaker 5: of shows because so many other people are telling the

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Speaker 5: story and there's so much bullshit out there that the

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Speaker 5: idea was, let's actually start telling the story ourselves. And

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Speaker 5: so my first guests include none other than Tamra Judge

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Speaker 5: Kyle is one of my guests. Shooting a bunch more

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Speaker 5: right now, and so I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: Are you enjoying it?

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Speaker 5: I'm having fun with it. I'm having more fun than

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Speaker 5: I thought because it's a very hard time listening to

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Speaker 5: myself and watching myself. You can take a look at

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Speaker 5: the cuts it first, we've had.

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Speaker 4: This conversation before. You do not like to see yourself?

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Speaker 4: I do in front of the camera like you've always

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Speaker 4: been behind the camera. This is this the first time

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Speaker 4: you've been in front of the camera.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've made appearances and things like retrospectives about the

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Speaker 5: shows and stuff like that, but I've never, you know,

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Speaker 5: never in sort of this capacity. I've never really been

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Speaker 5: interested in doing it and be self conscious and who

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Speaker 5: wants to look at and listen to Well.

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Speaker 4: You're going to be a superstar.

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Speaker 5: Well I don't know about that.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna listen to your own episodes and essentially

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Speaker 5: I've had to so I was not going to, and

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Speaker 5: I was adamant about that, and I let everyone involved

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Speaker 5: know that. And then when notes were flying back and

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Speaker 5: forth about the episodes, it's like, well, shit, I got

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Speaker 5: I'm talking about. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, we cannot listen to ourselves.

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Speaker 2: We like to stick our heads in the sand and

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Speaker 2: pretend that whatever we said or I've always been like that.

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Speaker 5: Well, see, I don't have a luxury if not listening

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Speaker 5: to you guys, because once again, these people complain paints

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Speaker 5: that I get. That's exactly it is. You guys are

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Speaker 5: nothing but trouble of giving Amy Sugarman shit about it?

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Speaker 4: Is it cast members on or is it across the board,

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Speaker 4: different roads.

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Speaker 5: Across the board. It's cast, it's production, it's the network.

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Speaker 5: Like you guys have it all covered.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have.

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Speaker 4: I had to squash the beef quite a few times,

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Speaker 4: and I think it airs tonight at Bravo Khan, I said, Andy,

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Speaker 4: why me every time he goes because you're the one

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and let me tell you, guys do not have

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Speaker 5: the podcast because you are meek and you don't have opinions.

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Speaker 2: We Tamar always has opinions, but her biggest opinion is

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Speaker 2: that I cause more shit than her.

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Speaker 3: And I want to know is that actually accurate?

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Speaker 5: I mean that is like, you know, six of one

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Speaker 5: half of another. I don't know what to say. Guys

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Speaker 5: are both assholes.

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Speaker 4: Teddy causes more problems online.

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Speaker 5: That's probably true. I would say Tamar's more dangerous in

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Speaker 5: the moment. But then, yeah, you know you are absolutely

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Speaker 3: What if I think something is accurate?

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Speaker 4: She will not let it go.

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Speaker 3: I will not let it go.

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Speaker 2: But if somebody will actually show me a touch of

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Speaker 2: kindness or be a regular functioning human being with me,

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Speaker 2: I can let it go. Like what Tamar can have issues? Yes,

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Speaker 2: and we can let it go.

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Speaker 4: Right, Alex, what are your thoughts on Teddy's squash the

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Speaker 4: beef with Vicky?

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I just said we weren't talking about this anymore.

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Speaker 2: I even use the tailor armstrong enough.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was surprised and not surprised with her child,

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Speaker 5: and so I just I mean, you came out firing.

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Speaker 3: Well, she had already.

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Speaker 2: I heard her say, she's disgusting, she's pathetic.

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Speaker 3: I was told, do not bring up January sixth. The

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Speaker 3: first thing that she does is go, let's talk about

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Speaker 3: January sixth.

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Speaker 4: I told you that was going to happen. She brought

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Speaker 4: it up on the carpet, the red carpet, and her

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Speaker 4: and I got into an argument on the red carpet.

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Speaker 4: So I go be prepared. She's going to bring that up.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I would have been happy to squash that beef if

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Speaker 2: she would have just come out and for once.

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Speaker 4: And would you don't believe that, Alex?

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Speaker 5: Oh please, you're saying you would have been the bigger

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Speaker 5: person if she had been the bigger person, I mean

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Speaker 5: you might like you just cancered her.

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Speaker 3: I did. I did have to cancer in that moment.

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Speaker 2: You are currently the executive producer of Orange County, Beverly

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Speaker 2: Hills and Pump Rules.

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Speaker 3: But how did you get your start in all of this?

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Speaker 5: I interned a MTV out of high school and I

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Speaker 5: wanted to do because I just was bored by it.

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Speaker 5: And I looked at successful partners at the firms that

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Speaker 5: had met Doug Ross from Evolution years before and he

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Speaker 5: had said, look, you know, I give me a call

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Speaker 4: And I have a quick question. Now, your parents thrilled

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Speaker 6: Into ralett your life, Smiley, It is well like I

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Speaker 6: will say that when I considered dropping out of law school,

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Speaker 5: End of the bargain, and I think they were thinking,

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Speaker 5: that's not what we had in mind. Yeah, you didn't

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Speaker 3: But how often is being a lawyer act help in

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it is the training that I would recommend that

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Speaker 5: everyone gets more than film school, that's for sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I get free label advice from them all the time. Yes, Alex,

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Speaker 4: what do I do now?

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Speaker 5: Can I say? This is?

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Speaker 2: This definition pretty much is like be quiet and we're

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Speaker 2: He's like, yes.

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Speaker 3: We're not listening time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Do you watch any other franchises other than the ones

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Speaker 5: Occasionally I will dip it and dip out of other franchises.

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Speaker 5: I watch a lot of other kinds of programming, But

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Speaker 5: it's not as much fun for me to watch the

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Speaker 5: shows because I feel like, I, you know, know how

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Speaker 4: Now, can you explain your role now? Because originally you

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Speaker 4: were owner and you have sold in the past five years,

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Speaker 4: how are things different? Are you still involved in evolution?

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Speaker 5: An involved in evolution, but I'm involved in all the shows,

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Speaker 5: and so my role really hasn't changed. The difference is

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Speaker 5: instead of running that company, I run my own and

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Speaker 5: then all my new series run through my company, and

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Speaker 5: these series are co productions, and so I still do

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Speaker 5: everything that I did before, which is you know, creative

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Speaker 5: So that's everything from production management to the deals to

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Speaker 4: Do you potentially see thirty two Flavors taking over Orange

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Speaker 4: County or I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, I'm you know, is it a goal? Please with no?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't really think in those terms. They

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Speaker 5: just sort of, you know, think about continuing to be

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Speaker 5: has spent on the new projects as well.

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Speaker 2: And then how much are you still involved in like

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Speaker 2: the the casting or the editing or any of those

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Speaker 5: A lot, I mean in the way that that I

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Speaker 3: But it tells the story of what's coming next.

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Speaker 5: It puts the pieces together. That's right. It's connective tissue.

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Speaker 4: It's a puzzle.

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Speaker 5: Yah yah.

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Speaker 5: The Haggy there you go.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there's uh yeah, But I off the top

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Speaker 5: Really hard. I mean we we will. Your first thing

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Speaker 4: I did five years ago with Jen Pedronte and a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or certain people are going through different things in

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Speaker 5: That happens a lot.

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Speaker 4: Times right, and they think they got the job.

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Speaker 5: That's exact. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean I've had I could make a coffee

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Speaker 5: That's exactly because we didn't used to bring actresses onto

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Speaker 3: Can we ask the question about breaking the fourth wall?

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Speaker 5: they're on their own show and everyone else is on Housewives.

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00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 5: But I think if you need to break the fourth

448
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 5: wall to tell the story than you do, or if

449
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 5: there's a fun moment, then you do. So I think

450
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,360
Speaker 5: as long as you don't set out to do it,

451
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 5: and as long as it helps you sort of you know,

452
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 5: sharpen the story and it makes it more real than

453
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 5: you do it.

454
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh like the pretty Woman moment with Jureid, Like you

455
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 2: barely broke the fourth wall, but it made it funnier

456
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 2: and it yeah, yeah, but it didn't seem like you

457
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: guys were out to totally trap anybody in a situation exactly.

458
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 2: Or Shannon throughout her season on Orange County. I feel

459
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 2: like we saw more production than we saw Shannon.

460
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, you know they could have been in the

461
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 5: main titles with her.

462
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 4: Well, she did a lot of things, you know, off camera,

463
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 4: we'll call it off camera, but in front of production.

464
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 4: So I think that they had every opportunity to show it.

465
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, have you not Laura anything shown worse? Yes,

466
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,879
Speaker 4: they could, but I think.

467
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 5: I think that the story right, I mean, and so

468
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 5: why we showed it?

469
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 4: Yeah? Have you ever had to demote a housewife to

470
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:04,959
Speaker 4: a friend?

471
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, how'd that go. It's really hard because it's you know,

472
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 5: becomes a pride factor. There's always a concern that the

473
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 5: housewife will be treated differently in the group, right, And

474
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 5: I'm so it's tough to coming.

475
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Speaker 3: Did you get paused or did you get.

476
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Speaker 4: To But for the record, I did not get offered

477
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 4: a friend roll. I got offered No. It was three

478
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 4: episodes to close me out, well close around just.

479
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: Three episodes done done by the way I found out

480
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: through the Daily Mail.

481
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 3: So f off tamp.

482
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 4: Well, he ruined my vacation.

483
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 5: So well, you should have had better cells, And we.

484
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: Talked about that. I don't want to talk too much

485
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 4: about it because we actually talk about on your podcast.

486
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 4: How much behind the scenes are you going to expose

487
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 4: on your new show?

488
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we want to open up what really

489
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 5: happens so that there's an standing of it because there's

490
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 5: so much speculation, conspiracy theories run rampant. You got a

491
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 5: lot of assholes running their mouths, and so the idea

492
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 5: is to talk about as much of it as we can. Obviously,

493
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 5: there's an amount of you know, decorum that I need

494
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 5: to maintain, and so there's things I would love to

495
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 5: say that sometimes I have to think the better of right.

496
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 5: But the idea is, you know, to give real insight

497
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 5: into how the shows are actually made and what happens,

498
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 5: because there's a lot things like hirings and firings and

499
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 5: what happened in kind of some of the most buzzed

500
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 5: about moments. So that's the idea of it's and it

501
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 5: really is also a conversation between the people who are

502
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 5: on the shows and the people who make the shows,

503
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 5: and I think seeing the relationships between them is important.

504
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: How quickly after cham got the boot, did you guys

505
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: realize you needed her back?

506
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 5: Well, we knew that there would be a big hole

507
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 5: without her, right, I mean, she was such an important

508
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 5: part of the show. So it felt like at the

509
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 5: time that it was one of those necessary things that

510
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 5: would hurt us. And it did. And I had a

511
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 5: really hard time with it. And you know, my hope

512
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 5: had been, well, we could you know, kind of talk,

513
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 5: we could talk through it and figure it out and

514
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 5: you would stay a part of the show. But we

515
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 5: talk about this, you know, on my podcast as well.

516
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 5: You really hated doing the show at that point.

517
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 4: I was, I was checked out and I was going

518
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 4: through a lot at the time too. So yeah, it

519
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 4: was like and I say, it's like it's a blessing.

520
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 4: It was a blessing that happened. You know, the kid's

521
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: dad had cancer. I was trying to help out with that,

522
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 4: and my kids really needed me even more at that moment,

523
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 4: like all the time, and so it was best that

524
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 4: I didn't.

525
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 5: And I still felt like we had you because we

526
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 5: did a lot of talking about you.

527
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and every god damn episode for.

528
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 5: The single time, like Tamra would rail on about the

529
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 5: show teams. Like the other thing is you would complain

530
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 5: about what we actually aired and then what you heard

531
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 5: that we aired. Yeah, because I didn't watch, I would

532
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: tell you about.

533
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: I know, Eddie, Alex, Yes, okay, so yeah, I mean

534
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: I try to like play. I really have to wait

535
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: to like be in a real bad way to then

536
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: send that text to Alex. Like I'm like, I'm like,

537
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: see me again the ship they did that again. But

538
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: then I'm like, nope, I'm holding it in.

539
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 4: I've always had a really close relationship with Alex, Like

540
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 4: I know that I can always pick up the phone

541
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 4: and call him, I can text him at any time.

542
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: I know that he got frustrated with me a few

543
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 4: times because I was being very vocal and I had

544
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 4: a conversation with Andy and he's like, well, Tam Or,

545
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 4: you're out there talking shit. I go, Andy, you're airing

546
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 4: shit about me? Do you think in any world that

547
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep my mouth shut? And he's like, hmm, no, taken.

548
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes the best housewives are the worst ex housewives.

549
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that makes sense for sure.

550
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 4: And I always told Alex, I'm like, if you ever

551
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 4: fire me, I'm just going I'm gone. You'll never hear

552
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 4: from me again. Yeah, how that worked out?

553
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 5: Well?

554
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, right and off in that sense.

555
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: Then it took one phone call from me, Hey, Tam

556
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: want to make spect for money?

557
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 5: And yeah, to Jason a pot about the show my nightmare.

558
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 5: In a Parahol universe, we should have worked it out

559
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 5: and none of us would be here.

560
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

561
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: We just watched season one of the OC and we're

562
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: currently watching season one of Beverly Hills. An eternity ego,

563
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: I I mean one, even just the production value and

564
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: what like it, or the fact that at the reunion

565
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: they're just they're pretty.

566
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: Much wearing what I'm wearing, like even more casual.

567
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 4: Oh, s let's talk about OC I mean it was

568
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 4: even more so. Yeah, you watch it and it looks

569
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 4: like it was from thirty years ago.

570
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 5: It does. Yeah, it's time rainy.

571
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 4: The clothes they're wearing, there's zero glam, there's I mean,

572
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: but I'm surprised it went forward.

573
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, oh, the show is so tough, you know,

574
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: watching you know, Housewives is so toxic. I'm like, if

575
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: you go back and watch the beginning, there was way

576
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: more difficult things being discussed on Orange County and Beverly.

577
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: Hills than now.

578
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: I mean now, I mean whether Sutton goes on you know,

579
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: two or three days versus what happened with Russell or

580
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: what happened.

581
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 5: I think that where I have nostalgia for the old

582
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 5: days is that a lot of it was about what

583
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 5: was going on in everybody's lives. And I think the

584
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 5: hard thing now and the thing that we try to

585
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 5: steer away from but you know, still kind of ends

586
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 5: up popping up, is that a lot of it is

587
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 5: about the dynamics between there and there's a lot of

588
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: gotcha stuff, right, So there's a lot of knowing something

589
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 5: about someone and then that becomes an issue where it

590
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 5: isn't to me in its pure form. It's about everyone's

591
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 5: individual spheres and their lives and then how the group

592
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 5: comes together. Right, And I think it's changed. I think

593
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 5: it's much more of a contact export now than it was,

594
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 5: especially the early days of OC, right. And I mean

595
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 5: in the first season of OC, the women barely got together.

596
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 4: It was a big deal, you know, No, they got

597
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: together with other friends, were cast members. I feel like

598
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 4: there was no arguing, no fighting until season three.

599
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 5: That's weird, that's what happened.

600
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, and I don't even know what gave

601
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 4: me the balls to go on to a show, Like

602
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 4: I've never had any experience in TV. I was just,

603
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 4: you know, pretty much a stay at home mom that

604
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: did real estate and part time with a very controlling husband.

605
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: For me, I mean, I've always had a mouth, but

606
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: to just get in there and like, did you go

607
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: to bass Lake and the arguing and all that, I'm like,

608
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: that's very ballsy back then.

609
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, you took to it right away.

610
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: You took to it.

611
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's ever any because we were

612
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: just talking about before we even started, how Tamra will

613
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: let things go. Do you think there's any former OC person,

614
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: she will never be able to let it go away.

615
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 5: Well, obviously, I think the most deep seated issues are

616
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 5: Tamar and Gretchens, So I think that would be the

617
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: one that would be the toughest. Otherwise, I don't I

618
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 5: think you could probably at some point bury the hatchet

619
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 5: with everyone else.

620
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have. I buried the hatchet with

621
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 4: Alexis Bilino at Pravo Con and we talked the Gretchens.

622
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: That's too deep. Like, you know, once you start calling

623
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: reaching out to my children, you're dead to me.

624
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 5: I bet you that you guys could at some point

625
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 5: the line. But maybe next season.

626
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 4: You want to start that rumor now.

627
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: When she has a center orange and you're on the

628
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: side where yeah.

629
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: I want this to be clickbait.

630
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: Well it's going to be clickbait now, Thank you so much.

631
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 5: I love your podcast.

632
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: Now me not your Alex Alex so he always knows

633
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: what to say to make me happy.

634
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: Well, he's probably not going to make me happy right now,

635
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: but I have to act it.

636
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: It's on the rundown. Okay, why did I get fired?

637
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 4: Oh shit?

638
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 5: Oh god, that's tough. I think that, I mean. And also,

639
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 5: by the way, like your like eyes are.

640
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're also we're also friends who going to lunch

641
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: at for this, so.

642
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, I'm thinking about my lunch.

643
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 4: Just be honest, Alex. We just want your honest and

644
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: just want you to.

645
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: We want just be authentic, authentic self and to answer

646
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: in a way that you would in real life.

647
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 5: I think that, uh, oh god, how would I what

648
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 5: would say? I think a couple of things. I think

649
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: that you well, no, I think I think that in yours,

650
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 5: I think there was strong audience reaction to you. So

651
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 5: I do think that was part of it, not gonna

652
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 5: deny that. And I also think that you were self conscious.

653
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: She was, she's very in her head.

654
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 5: That's right where I felt. That was obviously that was

655
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 5: here where you're pregnant whatever. And I will also say this,

656
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: the production always how you're back. I was a big

657
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 5: fan of yours because you would say things that other

658
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 5: people were thinking and wouldn't say, And so I think

659
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: there was that. But I think that I think it

660
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 5: felt like then on that show you weren't comfortable in

661
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 5: your own skin. I think that was the issue.

662
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: And I think and not too I think if we

663
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: would have actually dived into.

664
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: Why I'm not comfortable in my own skin and those

665
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 3: bigger issues. That's those are the things.

666
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 5: That's like breaking the eighth wall though, No, but that's

667
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 5: what I want to know.

668
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: That not about me, I'm not.

669
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: That's a that's a whole that's a whole nother show.

670
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 3: But I think when we start to see the breakdown

671
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: of marriages or relationships or friendships, I don't want to

672
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: just read it. I want to feel it.

673
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: Like that's why I think we are seeing a different

674
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: side of Erica, Like because finally all that shit happens,

675
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: we got to see a different side of her.

676
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: Well. I think that's a really good point. And I

677
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 5: think because that goes to what we were saying before

678
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 5: about also investing in the groups on the show, because

679
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 5: I think it's life changing to do the show, and

680
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 5: I think people do get better at it. I think

681
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: they grow into it. Other than I mean, sure, there's

682
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 5: a million counterpoints of people who are open and honest

683
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: at first and then buy into all the audience bullshit

684
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: and don't give a real version.

685
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Right.

686
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, so that happens, right, because there's the

687
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: scientific principle of that you change the thing you're studying

688
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 5: by studying it. Yeah, that can happen, but I think otherwise,

689
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 5: especially once you have a real group, I think then

690
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 5: you know, you want to take advantage of that, the

691
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 5: fact that people grow close together and and you know,

692
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: so it's say you have those real dynamics and you

693
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 5: want to examine someone's life and you have more of

694
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 5: a chance to do that over a period of time.

695
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: And how often do you think housewives that you currently

696
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: work with really pander to Twitter or what the audience

697
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: is say?

698
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 5: I would love to say not at all, but I

699
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 5: think that, you know, it's the constant challenge of the

700
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 5: show is to eliminate all of that noise. And the

701
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: early seasons of Orange County did not have any of that.

702
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 5: There wasn't that. We had MySpace, Yeah that's.

703
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, my Space and Facebook that was it.

704
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 5: And the Bravo blogs you remember those. Oh those were horrible,

705
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: horrible time but with badness, you know that Brava had

706
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: to turn off and so so yeah, I mean that's

707
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 5: the biggest thing that we try to get people to

708
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 5: do is not to take a uh, you know, the

709
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 5: temperature on what's going on on social media and then

710
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 5: calibrate what they do based on that, because that doesn't

711
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 5: read well. And also the audience can be really fickle, right,

712
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 5: I mean, so they can say one thing to you

713
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 5: and then once you buy into it, then they resent

714
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 5: you for doing what you thought they wanted you to do.

715
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: Well, what We're fickle from week to week watching all

716
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: the different shows. Like one week I'll be like, oh,

717
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: I can't stand her, and then the next week I'm.

718
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: Like, oh, we love her. She's our new favorite housewife

719
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: to watch.

720
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: So, well, you're only as good as this week's episode.

721
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: Well if my dad, it was a script writer, said

722
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 5: to me reality TV is sports for women, And I

723
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 5: think that's true. You have rooting.

724
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: Interests and you get I didn't know that about your dad.

725
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wrote for a bunch of shows.

726
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: So you come from a family in the ice cream

727
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: and writers, ice cream writers.

728
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 5: That's right? A yes, a Jamokah Allman. Script.

729
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: Oh are you a fan of bringing back past housewives?

730
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: I am recycling, recycling the ladies.

731
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 5: Well, I am to a point. I think that it

732
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: can be lazy, and so I also think that I

733
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: think shows have to progress, and I think sometimes they

734
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 5: can with past customers, and I think been taking you

735
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 5: for example, where you still had all those relationships within

736
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: the group and beyond the fact that you know, you're

737
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 5: iconic to that franchise. So that made sense to me.

738
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 5: But I think sometimes we can reach back where we

739
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 5: should be looking forward.

740
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.

741
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: And then what about once somebody does something to production

742
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: or to whatever and kind of crosses that line, how

743
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: do you then get to that place of going, Okay,

744
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: I want we're going to forgive that, or we will

745
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: bring this person back. Because there has been housewives.

746
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: Throughout that really have you think this pause.

747
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: Is actually forever, Like there are certain and then all

748
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden they pop back in.

749
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 5: Well, there are very few red lines, and whenever we,

750
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 5: you know, create them, then we don't always hold them.

751
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 5: So it's like, if this person does this, if this

752
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 5: person treated production a certain way, you can move on.

753
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 5: You can get over it. And it's just like you know, Tam,

754
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: I'm sure your feelings about never coming back right at first,

755
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 5: I'm never going to do it, and and then you

756
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 5: get over it right and life goes on.

757
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: It's like childbirth. So if after a while you forget

758
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: about it and.

759
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 3: You decide to have another case, you decide to do

760
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: it again.

761
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: This, Yeah, so, but I but I think that's but

762
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: I think it's really circumstantial. I think then there are

763
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 5: other things that aren't forgivable, and there are things you know,

764
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 5: we're really just ultimately not on the same team, or

765
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 5: it's someone that we can't trust. Then you you know

766
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: you can't bring them back. You shouldn't bring them back.

767
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, if they always had fake storylines and things

768
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: like that, like they borrowed a Rolls Royce and said

769
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: it was a birthday.

770
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: Present, I feel like she might be alluding to someone.

771
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 5: I have no idea what she's talking about.

772
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 4: Let's switch gears to vander Pump rules.

773
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 5: Oh, let's do it.

774
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 4: Yes, where were you at the moment when you found

775
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: out about Sandabal scandal? All I should say.

776
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 5: I had a launch the whole like timeline of events

777
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 5: is that Arianna had texted our talent producer the whole thing,

778
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: so basically screenshots about what happened. So basically so it

779
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,479
Speaker 5: because so you don't get to see the video, never

780
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 5: have never seen that, do not even know anything about that.

781
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 5: And it's great to be able to say that. Yeah,

782
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 5: but it's but so she texted him on it was

783
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: on a Thursday because she had just you know, sort

784
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 5: of found Santaval's phone or it had fallen out of

785
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 5: his pocket. On that Wednesday night late I found if

786
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 5: there's a talent producer was trying to confirm a shoe

787
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 5: at their house. She's like, well, let me tell you.

788
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 5: Here's where we are. Here's what happened. And then talent

789
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 5: producer called the show runner, and showrunner called me because.

790
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 3: Why did they say it was like done filming.

791
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: Because we were already done with production.

792
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so it was just like a pickup or something.

793
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we were. We were completely so, I mean

794
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: we had wrapped and we were we had three weeks

795
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 5: until the reunion. I mean we were. We were, And

796
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 5: that's where we picked up cameras right away and we

797
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 5: found out because our big point to the network was, look,

798
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 5: this isn't just something we should talk about at the reunion.

799
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 5: This is really gonna, you know, completely shatter all these relationships, right,

800
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 5: so we need to pick up the cameras.

801
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: Did you have any idea when you were kind of

802
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: watching back this season prior like now watching in hindsight,

803
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: they were like, oh my gosh, how did we miss this?

804
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we knew there were a million rumors

805
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: about them over time, and even on that season. The

806
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 5: reason that nobody believed us but that we didn't do

807
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: any we didn't know or we didn't but we didn't

808
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 5: have to do any re editing. And and you know,

809
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 5: like seven episodes you know, were locked at that point.

810
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 5: Was this had come up as a rumor, right, and

811
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: so there was a question are they in an open

812
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: relationship or you know, what is going on between the

813
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 5: two of those? So that was all there. I just

814
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 5: didn't believe it, right, Yeah.

815
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: I mean in your world, you probably hear rumors all

816
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: the time. Right now, there were there was a rumors

817
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 4: of rumors that Band of Properules was getting ready to

818
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: be canceled.

819
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 5: That isn't true. So I have so to clarify the

820
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 5: record on that. We had a really tough season nine

821
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: of that because we were really impacted by two things.

822
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 5: I mean, one is there was a cash shake up, right,

823
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 5: and so there were a bunch of mainstays that were

824
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: no longer part of that group. And then COVID really

825
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 5: hurt that show because it was a show about people

826
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: who were up and out all the time. Yeah, no,

827
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 5: I was and it really was, and I was a

828
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 5: tough season, that was a labor but once we had

829
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 5: to pick up for season ten and we got into it,

830
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 5: that was a very wrong season regardless, and people, you know,

831
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 5: thought that was sort of a renaissance season and the

832
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 5: ratings were good. Now Scandabal, you know, completely elevated that

833
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 5: into a different stratosphere. But but the show was, you know,

834
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 5: in pretty good health.

835
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 2: And then what do you think that because clearly there's

836
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: been I don't know sixteen podcasts that Bethany did with

837
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: Raquel Rachel about this, and you know, she she kind

838
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: of contradicts herself back in just a few times, just

839
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 2: a few thousand times. It's like, I would never want

840
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: to do it, but it's because I wasn't paid with

841
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: this person was paid.

842
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: Like, do you think there would have been like do.

843
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 5: You think she should have come back? I do? I do.

844
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 5: I think that I think in large part of her

845
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 5: wanted to. We had numerous conversations about it. I think

846
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 5: she was really conflicted. I think she had a really

847
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: good offer in front of her, and I think that

848
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 5: that might have been a good place for her to

849
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 5: be heard. And I think that, you know, look, I

850
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 5: think we always treated her with respect and we would

851
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 5: have continued to do so, and we wanted what was

852
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 5: best for her.

853
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: And one of the producers there was we just saw

854
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: it said like we always liked working with her.

855
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: She was super nice.

856
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows it's on like I forget somebody

857
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: named Shanna Gena Ghanna.

858
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I mean we had

859
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 5: a good relationship with her. I mean, I so, you know,

860
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 5: until all of us happened, and it wasn't that that

861
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 5: relationship was even particularly strained, but there were a lot

862
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: of people that were speaking on her behalf right, and

863
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 5: I think she's someone who can be influenced, and I

864
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 5: think that that's what happened. And I thought, you know, look,

865
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: if I think about the best of the interview, exactly

866
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: what you would think that I do. I think that

867
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 5: there is I'm all in favor of Rachel speaking out.

868
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 5: I think she's a speaker piece. I think that there

869
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 5: were all, you know, grave and gross and accuracies there,

870
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: and it.

871
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: Was very self serving to one person and not the other.

872
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 5: I and I, you know, so I had a hard

873
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: time with that, and I actually I couldn't watch the

874
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 5: whole thing, but I mean, I, you know, certainly know

875
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 5: all about it.

876
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I listened to it was very frustrating. I

877
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: have to believe that you guys talk about her, not you,

878
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 4: but the show, the cast talks about her a lot.

879
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 5: Well season we're I mean we certainly, I would say,

880
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 5: it isn't a focal point in the sense that we

881
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 5: really try to move on from the people who aren't there,

882
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 5: and there's plenty for us to cover, but we have

883
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 5: to acknowledge, you know, that she's not there. And also

884
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 5: that group was reading the same things that everyone else

885
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: was about her, you know, in the media, and whether

886
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 5: she would come back in all of that stuff. But

887
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is I just think that

888
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: it's not so much what everyone else says about her,

889
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 5: and I think they actually show a lot of compassion

890
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 5: toward her, because I think their feelings about her at

891
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: the reunion were one thing, and they just needed time,

892
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 5: you know, And I think that they would have welcomed

893
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 5: her back in the way that they would have not everyone,

894
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 5: but I think that, you know, they would have tried

895
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: to move forward. And I think that she did herself

896
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 5: a disserface and that's her decision to make But from

897
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 5: my point of view, I think it would have served

898
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 5: it well to come back.

899
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: And what about the extent, like the extent of all

900
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: the hate coming towards Sandoval, like ye at this point still,

901
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: I mean.

902
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 4: I was I was going to say, like he was

903
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 4: booed at Bravo con Laala stuck up from and Andy

904
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: Cohen also said like how long are you going to

905
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 4: do this?

906
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: Guys?

907
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 5: Man? Like well, And I think one of the things

908
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: that I don't understand is there seems to be this

909
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 5: notion and there was a question directed to us at

910
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 5: the producer's panel about him benefiting from this, like sort

911
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: of don't you think that Rachel was the victim from this?

912
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 5: And don't you think that he's cashed out and has

913
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 5: benefited and everyone taking advantage of Like how so how

914
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 5: do you think like, you know, I think that he

915
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: did something that he shouldn't have done, you know, so

916
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 5: clearly everyone can agree on that. But I also think

917
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 5: that he has had a come up, and you know

918
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 5: that is certainly commensurate with that, right, And I think

919
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 5: is is I think like we all know the story

920
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 5: at this point, so I just don't know what more

921
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: there is to say and you.

922
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: And also I know this is not a Bravo show,

923
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: but I watched Special Forces. I've been watching that and

924
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 2: you can see a broken man coming in like wanting

925
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: to get his ass kicks, like you can. You can

926
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: feel aside to him where I'm like, Okay, listen.

927
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 5: He said he's a real person, And I think that's

928
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: that's the hardest thing I think in making these shows

929
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 5: is and you know, certainly it's something we wrestle with

930
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: his producers where I think the audience invests because these

931
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 5: are real people. But then I almost think because we

932
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: were saying before using you know, sorting the sporting analogy,

933
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 5: then I think you can dehumanize people a little bit.

934
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 5: And I think that's really tough. And I think that

935
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 5: no matter how strong you are, no matter how much

936
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 5: you tell yourself that it isn't real and these people

937
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: don't know you, it's very hard not to take that in.

938
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 5: And I think if you're talk standible and everywhere you

939
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 5: go you're that guy, I think that's really hard on anyone.

940
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: Especially when why am I blanking on his name is

941
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: now getting to be this best guy human ever?

942
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: Raquel's X what oh James.

943
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 4: James James, I mean it's confusing, confusing.

944
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 5: But that goes to the fickleness too, right.

945
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like we all forget so that I know

946
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: that's right, we all forget.

947
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 4: Well, we see the hate towards Tom kind of change

948
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 4: or turn a corner.

949
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 5: Next season, the group shifts and so there are you know,

950
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 5: some unlikely friendships emerge, and there's real conversations about all

951
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 5: of this, and it's very raw and so I think

952
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 5: you said, I mean, I'm utterly fascinated by it. We

953
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 5: do break the fourth wall a bunch to acknowledge the

954
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 5: situation that we're in, and we have to acknowledge that

955
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 5: the real world is and and kind of you know,

956
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 5: standom is a part and large of the fact that

957
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 5: Tom and Arianna live in the same house together, but

958
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 5: they have very different lives, and so we have to

959
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 5: acknowledge the real world, you know, to be able to

960
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: fully delve into that.

961
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just think the amount of hate he's getting

962
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 4: is just so nasty. It is He's a human being.

963
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 4: People like he did something wrong, and I feel like

964
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 4: he's handling.

965
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 5: It well, he's tougher than I am, He strong I am,

966
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: that's for sure.

967
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: He for sure is, and then kind of because we

968
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: know we're running out of time, what do we want

969
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: to ask him?

970
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: What should be?

971
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 5: Guys?

972
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 3: What should be our final thing that we dig into

973
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: out now?

974
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 4: And bravos, Hot Mike, are you going to be interviewing

975
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: ex housewives, current housewives, producers of the Housewives. Who are

976
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: you going to have as guests?

977
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: So all of those so current cast, former cast, producers,

978
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 5: network executives, anyone who contributes to making the shows. And

979
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 5: then also celebrity super fans, you know, anyone who has

980
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 5: some sort of insight into this world, this bubble that

981
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 5: we're in. I also want to hear from the audience

982
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 5: what they want us to talk about, right, and so

983
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 5: what they want demystified, happy to talk about all of it.

984
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: And really, like I said, I mean, it got to

985
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 5: the point where as much as we have tried not to,

986
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: is production be the story? Clearly we are hard to

987
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: some extent the story, and people want to know how

988
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: the shows are really made. And so you felt like

989
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 5: it was time to open up the kimono so to speak.

990
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 5: Why does that sound disgusting?

991
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds sounds dirty, It sounds like a lot,

992
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: But I think Also, something that is interesting is within

993
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: every group of women on every franchise, there's multiple producers

994
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: like in the mix, and there are ones that different

995
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: women connect with. Yes, so then they have these trust

996
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: systems with certain people. And I think even if you guys,

997
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: digging into that and talking to different producers within each

998
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: show is so cool too, because some you can see

999
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: the relationship between the person that you're talking to sometimes

1000
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, she hates him, she's actually mad

1001
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: at him, not the woman that she's actually talking to.

1002
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: Like we've had moments like that.

1003
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: Do you have a dream gust Andy Cohen or.

1004
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean it definitely. You know he'll do

1005
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 5: it and rhymes.

1006
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: With Eddie Mellencamp smelling camp rhymes with schmeddy shmelling camp.

1007
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been dying. It's like been sliding into my dms.

1008
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, enough already, I told you I'm not doing it.

1009
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: I told you too, busy problem, Yeah did busy.

1010
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 5: I think the fun thing for me will be to

1011
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 5: give voice to people who have a lot to say

1012
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 5: that you otherwise might not hear from. So I think

1013
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 5: it's the you know, showrunners and post EPs and those

1014
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: kinds of people who I think can get into the

1015
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 5: nitty gritty of the process in a way that people

1016
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 5: want to know. That will, you know, hopefully debunk conspiracy

1017
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 5: theories on Reddit.

1018
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, well there's no better person to do

1019
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: it than you, Alex. You've been here since the very beginning.

1020
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: And you have made some incredible television and we love

1021
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: watching and recapping it, even though we cause you so

1022
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: many problems. Please make sure you guys find Bravos Hot

1023
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: Mic with Alex Baskin, you know, from the ice cream.

1024
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: When he's not scooping ice cream, give you.

1025
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: He's got a huge trust funds. You know, I always

1026
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: say saying for his own pod, and always.

1027
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 5: Say if my parents had worked harder, I wouldn't have

1028
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 5: to do that.

1029
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 4: Right. Do we have a launch date?

1030
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 5: November fourteenth?

1031
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 4: November fourteenth, that's right?

1032
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we can't wait because I can't wait.

1033
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: First guess and all the juice.

1034
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to recap that. Put that on our

1035
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: list of thanks to recap.

1036
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: Wait to recap that.

1037
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: We'll put you in those headlines.

1038
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: Alex, I can't wait for it. You've already been in

1039
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: the headliness a good amount, so this is good.

1040
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 4: We get some We're like, can you believe Alex Baskin

1041
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: said this.

1042
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 5: There's gonna be a great tit for tat. Then I'm

1043
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 5: going to go back and I'm going to have to

1044
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 5: respond to what you guys have said, and it's just

1045
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: going to be this endless loop.

1046
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: I mean to restapping her own interviews.

1047
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can change that narrative.

1048
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: Well, thank you guys. We appreciate everybody taking the time.

1049
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: Keep tuning in, and we will be back next week

1050
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: to recap all the other shows that y'all will be airing.

1051
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: Don't forget about Beverly Hills Season one flashback.

1052
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: We have a special guest joining us, but I haven't

1053
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: been able to check my phone to see if she

1054
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: said yes, good bye bye,