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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I'm Joe McCormick of Stuff to blow your mind. Today,

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Speaker 1: we want to play you an episode of a new

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Speaker 1: show called Smart Girl Dumb Questions, hosted by journalist Naima Raza.

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Speaker 1: Each Friday, she unpacks complex ideas by asking simple questions

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Speaker 1: to big thinkers. This one is with astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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Speaker 2: They talk about.

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Speaker 1: Dimensions, wormholes, time travel, and brick and Morty. So enjoy

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Speaker 1: the episode and you can find more episodes of Smart

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Speaker 1: Girl Dumb Questions wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: There was an asteroid set to meet the Earth in

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Speaker 3: the year twenty thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's to put very politely, to meet the Earth, Jemmy,

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Speaker 2: they collide. Yes, we can say meet and greet the Earth.

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Speaker 2: The press ran with the fact that the likelihood of

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Speaker 2: it hitting Earth went up briefly from like one percent

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Speaker 2: to three percent.

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Speaker 3: That was it, eh, But one percent is not that

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Speaker 3: different from three percent, so you're saying it still might

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Speaker 3: happen a.

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Speaker 2: Third And then it went Yeah, I feel.

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Speaker 3: Like it's a very binary situation, this meeting of Earth

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Speaker 3: and the asteris.

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Speaker 2: Well, the value of that news cycle, yes, is people

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Speaker 2: were trained to follow the scientific progress on the number.

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Speaker 2: That's an important way that the public should be interacting

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Speaker 2: with the moving frontier of science. I'm happy that we

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Speaker 2: went through that episode because that will happen more frequently

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Speaker 2: going forward. We have better data, better telescopes to see

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Speaker 2: asteroids of that size in that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Previously we wouldn't have even known the difference between

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Speaker 3: the zero and the one percent, even.

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Speaker 2: Known it was there. That we might have known it

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Speaker 2: was there, But when it was much closer.

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Speaker 3: Like Bruce Willis Ben Affleck close, well, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me started on arm again. That movie violated

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Speaker 2: more laws of physics per minute than any other psych

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Speaker 2: fiction movie ever. Plus an asteroid the size of Texas

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Speaker 2: we would have discovered two hundred years ago. That's the

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Speaker 2: good thing about asteroids that might kill us, right if

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Speaker 2: I met, They are the largest and the easiest to detect.

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Speaker 3: Smart girl dumb questions. Hi, welcome to smart girl dumb Questions.

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Speaker 3: I'm named Areza. You're a smart girl with the dumb questions,

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Speaker 3: and that telling me the good thing about the asteroids

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Speaker 3: that might kill us, that they're larger and easier to detect.

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Speaker 3: Is Neil deGrasse Tyson. He's an astrophysicist, a science communicator,

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Speaker 3: an educator, the director of Hayden Planetarium here in New York,

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Speaker 3: and someone whose job it is to help make sense

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Speaker 3: of the universe really for people like me who just

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Speaker 3: don't get it all the time. Neil has written several

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Speaker 3: best selling books, including Astrophysics for People in a Hurry

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Speaker 3: and Merlin's Tour of the Universe. And I was so

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Speaker 3: excited to talk to Neil because of all the things

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Speaker 3: that I'm dumb about, science really top the list. Like

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Speaker 3: I took biology in school, but I couldn't look when

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Speaker 3: the frog got dissected. And I took chemistry, but all

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Speaker 3: I remember is kind of honk, like hydrogen bonds once

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Speaker 3: and oxygen bonds twice and nitrogen bonds three times, and

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Speaker 3: oh my god, I cannot believe I am even telling

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Speaker 3: you this on a podcast. So my dumb question for

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Speaker 3: Neil Degrass Tyson was are we living in a simulation?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is this whole universe a simulation? But before we got there,

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Speaker 3: I had to understand what the universe was. And we

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Speaker 3: started small, like Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star small, and we

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Speaker 3: worked our way up into galaxies and universes and multiverses

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Speaker 3: and aliens, and this idea of wormholes which maybe allow

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Speaker 3: you to cross through space time that blew my mind.

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Speaker 3: Here's my conversation with Neil de grass Tyson. So I

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Speaker 3: want to start with the building blocks the stars.

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Speaker 2: I'm your servant in this interview.

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Speaker 3: You're not anyone servant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a servant of your curiosity. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: it's not for you to judge whether you're asking a

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Speaker 2: dumb question.

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Speaker 3: Okay, oh, you want to challenge the whole premise of

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Speaker 3: my show.

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Speaker 2: It's whether I give a dumb answer.

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Speaker 3: The dumbness is in the eye of the answer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because an educator should be sensitive to how a

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Speaker 2: person's tangled mental pathways might be interpreting the world. And

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Speaker 2: then that one gurgles up as a question. Then I

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Speaker 2: way to respond such that what I share with you

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Speaker 3: Are you untangling me or are you just sending it

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Speaker 3: down the tangled pipe?

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Speaker 2: Navigating a tangled path? Sometimes I'm a badly tangled from life. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: At the end of this, I would like an assessment

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Speaker 2: In fact, when I post on social media and I

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Speaker 2: see the comment thread, I take that as a neurosynaptic

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Speaker 2: snapshot of how people think about words. I've used, phrases,

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Speaker 2: I've offered, content I've delivered. If I think I posted tweet,

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Speaker 2: let's say, and if I think it's funny and no

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Speaker 3: It's not funny. It's like your own personal fMRI all

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Speaker 3: of America or all of the world.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Twinkle Twinkle, little Star. I was at a roller

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Speaker 2: Day, Neil, and that's a thing.

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Speaker 3: That's a thing, Okay, a roller skating disco. I was

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Speaker 3: told by somebody there that when you see a star,

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Speaker 2: So you learned this at a disco roller skating rink. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we're all that's where you are. The great wisdom of

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Speaker 2: the world is dispersed. It's completely correct, but misleading, all right. So,

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Speaker 2: because it takes light time to travel between any two points. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the world you see is not as it is, but

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Speaker 2: as it once was when the light from that object

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Speaker 2: I wonder if she's still alive, because four billions of

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Speaker 2: too it is with stars. There's stars that are thousands

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Speaker 2: of light years away. Yes, it could have died, but

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Speaker 2: stars live billions and in some cases trillions of years. Ah,

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Speaker 2: So a thousand year delay that you're not going to

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Speaker 2: The information about the death of the star is on

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Speaker 3: That's the first page of your book. This is like

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Speaker 3: what happens if the Earth were to stop rotating. And

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Speaker 3: to go at what is it, eight hundred miles per hour?

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Speaker 3: I mean, my mind is broken by your book.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing. And then you reassemble it into

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Speaker 2: the laws of physics that guide.

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Speaker 3: The universe at the rollers category apparently back to the

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Speaker 2: Okay, to start at the beginning of the universe.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't want to start the universe because the

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Speaker 3: the Big Bang.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, but for reasons that are not obvious.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, we see the afterglow, correct. So what

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Speaker 2: Is a barrier? The light can't pass through that afterglow?

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Speaker 3: And there's no technology that we're developing to try to see.

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Speaker 2: It's not using light. Before the universe had this opaque barrier,

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Speaker 2: and so one of them is gravitational waves.

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Speaker 3: Do we know what happened before the Big Bang?

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Speaker 2: No, but we have ideas.

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Speaker 3: Do we know that something for sure happened before the

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Speaker 3: What are the ideas?

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Speaker 2: Our universe is a natural expression of a larger entity

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Speaker 3: Where did that start?

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Speaker 2: Right? So this is this is a big challenge with

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Speaker 2: and contrast. We found galaxies being born, so now our

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Speaker 2: galaxy is not the whole thing. We only have one universe.

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Speaker 2: We don't know how it was foreigned, but maybe there

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Speaker 3: Do you have a hunch or is that not a thing?

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Speaker 2: Going with the multiverse. It feels right and it looks

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Speaker 2: good coming out of the equations. We're not just pulling

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Speaker 2: it out of our ass. The equations give us the multiverse.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, And all of this is rooted in math.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is well, well, it's served by math, I

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Speaker 2: should say, it's rooted in what the universe really is,

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Speaker 2: of the great miracles of science that this invention we

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Speaker 2: with the universe that we didn't invent.

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Speaker 3: It's like our language for trying to understand the universe's

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Speaker 3: math is.

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Speaker 2: That is the language of the universe, the way Spanish

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Speaker 2: is the language of Spain.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is great because I interviewed two eleven year

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Speaker 2: The problem is, when we're in school, the expectation is

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Speaker 2: It's what you think it is. We're here in this

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Speaker 2: Imagine a wormhole where you connect a wormhole between the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is your mind still blown by this wormhole idea?

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Speaker 2: We don't even know million dollars if it exists.

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Speaker 3: But when I read your book, I saw that you

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Speaker 3: like a week.

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00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: Me, not you.

441
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 3: So how did that happen? Is that about time?

442
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: It's about Earth on its axis. Earth is spinning, as

443
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: we know, it's also tipped, and if you ever played

444
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: with tops, you might remember that they possess so they spin,

445
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: but then they wabblebb okay, So the Earth wobbles, and

446
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: that wobbling over twenty six thousand years, shifts the correspondence

447
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: of the constellation and the month associated with it, and

448
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: it shifts it through completely a full twelve months. So

449
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: every two thousand years or so, the Sun passes through

450
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 2: a different constellation than the astrological charts would have you believe.

451
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 3: So horoscopes are not real.

452
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 2: There are many reasons for them not being real. That's

453
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 2: among them.

454
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 3: That's among them.

455
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: It's a hoax perpetrated on adults. So I shouldn't say hoax.

456
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: Hoax implies that the people perpetrating it know that. Yeah,

457
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 2: I think they believe. I think there are people who

458
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: propagate this who fully believe it. Yeah, And so then

459
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: there's no real guilt there.

460
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: And so there's no explanation for the fact that I,

461
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 3: as a Scorpio, connect more I believe with cancer people.

462
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: So I've seen descriptions of the zodiac, yes, where it

463
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: says these are twelve prominent constellations in the sky. You

464
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: said you were what scorpia? You're Scorpion and you connect

465
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: with cancer?

466
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I like to date cancer, okay? Or sometimes Aris?

467
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: Is that better or worse than any other dating app

468
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: we might have? I don't know. But the I just

469
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: did the calculation before I came today, Oh, that the

470
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: four brightest stars in the constellation Cancer are actually quite

471
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: dim and then may be as many as five hundred

472
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 2: stars brighter than the brightest star in the constellation Cancer,

473
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 2: which makes it a dull, boring and uninteresting constellation.

474
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 3: So I should stop dating cancer. You've just expanded my

475
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: dating pool, Neil. This thank you for that service. When

476
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: it comes to dating, are my expectations keeping me single?

477
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm named Araza host of Smart Girl Dumb Questions, and

478
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: this is the sponsored dumb question brought to you by Tinder.

479
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: So forty percent of people who find dating difficult say

480
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: that they can't meet someone who meets their expectations. But

481
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: is the problems supply or demand? It's easy to build

482
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: a checklist for what we want six' five blue, eyes

483
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: maybe some kind of specific zodiac, Sign but researchers have

484
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: found that people are really bad at knowing what they

485
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: want or. Need in, fact the science kind of sucks

486
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 3: at it. Too in one, study for, example researchers ask

487
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 3: daters to identify their own traits and also identify the

488
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: traits they were looking for in other, PEOPLE i eat

489
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: their dating, expectations and then they ran it through this

490
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: machine learning. Algorithm they turned out they could predict one

491
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: way attraction at around twenty, percent that, is who would

492
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: be liked or who would like, Somebody but when it

493
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 3: came to two way, attraction the algorithm was not. Good

494
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 3: its success rate was less than one percent because it

495
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: turns out the actual best predictor of compatibility is not

496
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: your expectations but your. Experiences, now of course that doesn't

497
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: mean you should throw all your expectations out the. Window of,

498
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: course you deserve to date somebody that treats you, well

499
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 3: that makes you feel. Safe yet a graduate degree may

500
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: not be the best predictor of, That and it could

501
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: be a good time to slide over that location filter

502
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: or give that short king a second, glance because when

503
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 3: it comes to, dating our experiences are more important than our.

504
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: Expectations so the important thing is to actually start going on.

505
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: Dates and a great place to start dating Is. Tinder

506
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: it starts with a. Swipe you can explore all the

507
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: possibilities for. Yourself Get tinder today and start. Dating and

508
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: wormholes would wormholesles? NO i think we should go.

509
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: BACK i figure out a way to pry a pathway

510
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: through spacetime that connects to otherwise very distant, Parts and

511
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: when you do, that you just step through and you're

512
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: in another place in. Time the two most famous current

513
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: ways that's done is In Doctor strange in The marvel

514
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: universe And rick And morty in The cartoon.

515
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: Universe i'm not familiar With rick And.

516
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: Morty that means your audience is not. Geekified it's a.

517
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: GEEK i mean my audience might BE i might not

518
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: be the best leading. Indicator you just.

519
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: Lost you just lost The rick And. Morty rick has

520
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: portals through space time and he goes to other, universes other,

521
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: galaxies and half of those shows are More he's interacting

522
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: with other life forms that are brilliantly conceived to be

523
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: different from us in ways That hollywood perennially fails at.

524
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: Doing all the aliens In, hollywood it's got a, head two,

525
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: eyes and those armsferent there's a little thing on the.

526
00:26:53,760 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: Forehead it's, like really, really most life On earth looks

527
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: nothing like. Humans, yes and we HAVE dna in. Common

528
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: now you're going to bring something from another planet and

529
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: walk and with a.

530
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: Mouth you, know such limited imagination.

531
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: Exactly So rick And morty is unlimited imagination as as

532
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: it conceives of life.

533
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: Forms so these wormholes, though so these two conceptions of.

534
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: It here's a, wormhole gun shoots it and opens up a.

535
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: Hole oh so that's, okay so you could find but

536
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: it's not like a wormhole.

537
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: Identifier, no Worm they're not going to be naturally in the. Universe, no,

538
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: okay they want to collapse on. Themselves so you need

539
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: negative gravity to the, open which we don't.

540
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: Have so wormholes they wouldn't. Exist we need negative, gravity.

541
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: Uh to create a, substance, right.

542
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 3: Yeah negative gravity substance to create and stabilize a.

543
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: Wormhole gravity brings space time, together, yes and a wormhole

544
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: you're prying it. Apart so you need the opposite of

545
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: what gravity is to make that.

546
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: Happen that was a very clarifying.

547
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: Sentence tracking your tangled mental.

548
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: That really help. Me, Okay so gravity brings.

549
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: It, together just untangled one little. Bit, yeah, okay.

550
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: Okay a negative gravity will will suspend that and then

551
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: allow you to pass and then through a. Wormhole you

552
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: could go to other universes.

553
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: In, principle but that would could be dangerous because in

554
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: those universe might have slightly different laws of. Physics, okay

555
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: and stepping into, it you collapse in a pile of

556
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: goo because the, forces the molecular forces might not.

557
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: COMPORT i could go to other, galaxies, oh, definitely, definitely galaxies, easier,

558
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: okay and other, dimensions other.

559
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: Dimensions we don't know how to go to other.

560
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: Dimensions and what is a.

561
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: Dimension it's interesting how we have such an intuitive understanding of.

562
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: Dimensions we never think about. Them have you imagined a

563
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: future with flying? Cars of course everybody. Does why would

564
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: you want a flying car less?

565
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: Traffic?

566
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: Okay? Good, yeah when you're out on the open road

567
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: driving seventy miles an, hour are you, saying, GEE i

568
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: WISH i had a flying? Car, No, no you're only

569
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: thinking about it near. Cities when you're in traffic and

570
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: you got a place to, be you just want to

571
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 2: up and go in the car on the. Road you

572
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: are stuck in two. Dimensions, yeah you can change lanes

573
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: left and. Right that's one, dimension and the other dimension

574
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: is just forward and. Back so driving is a two dimensional.

575
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: Exercise in a flying, car you enter a third dimension

576
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: and bypass these hapless souls who don't have a flying. Car, yeah,

577
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: okay do we together on? That we're?

578
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: Together. Okay so that's three, dimensions so.

579
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: That you can move the idea of a flying car

580
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: and just, say when you want to bypass the, traffic

581
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: you want to go to another dimension to do. So

582
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: in that, regard The New York City subway is a flying.

583
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: Car you're stuck in dimension you go into another, dimension

584
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: and this case is, down not, up and there's a whole, other,

585
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: whole entire transportation system that does not get stuck in that.

586
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Traffic that's a flying.

587
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: Car BUT i think the difference IS i can see

588
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: those dimensions like the dimends you're talking.

589
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: About i'm warming you.

590
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: Up, okay, okay.

591
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: Because you that tangled you eat. Horoscopes IF i went straight,

592
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: there this wouldn't have. Happened, OKAY i Gotta i'm gonna

593
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: make sure we're on the same. Page, okay.

594
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: Good SO i don't believe they're. REAL i just read.

595
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: Them, so, yeah this is easy to. Understand, correct we

596
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: are on the same. Page, okay let's go back to two.

597
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: DIMENSIONS i have a, desk, yeah AND i still have. Paper,

598
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: Okay SO i lay paper out on the desk and

599
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: THEN i run out of desk. Surface so what do you?

600
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: Do put it on the?

601
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: FLOOR i, could, Yeah or you can stack them on

602
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: top for each.

603
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: Other, yeah that's a third. Dimension stacking is is a third.

604
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: Dimension that's what you. Got, Okay so, no watch on

605
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: the pape on the on my, DESK i, said sixteen

606
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: sheets of. Paper let's say, yes let's say twenty four by.

607
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: Five NOW i can Stack how many pages CAN i

608
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: stack into the third? Dimension? Yeah UNTIL i hit the? Ceiling, right,

609
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Okay oh my. Gosh, Look and how much more room

610
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: there is in three dimensions than there is in two?

611
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: Dimensions of, course you got? Me, yeah. Okay so now

612
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: we're in a. Room the room is a three dimensional,

613
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: room AND i put boxes in this. Room now the

614
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: room is, full and, someone a hyperdimensional being, says just

615
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: go into the fourth dimension and you can fit millions

616
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: of boxes. There AND i, say where is the fourth?

617
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: Dimension it is at a perpendicular line to. YOU i

618
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: already have my perpendicular. Lines they trace the three dimensions

619
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: of this. Space we cannot conceive of what direction that

620
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: fourth dimension is any more than the ant can know

621
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: what up.

622
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: Is, okay so we're just. Ants we're three d, ants

623
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: the two d, ants and there's Some is there a

624
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: four d? Ant is? That is it possible the fourth?

625
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: Dimension don't?

626
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: Know that's really, interesting? Right? Yeah if you're actually two,

627
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: dimensions you have no, Thickness so you would be this,

628
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: flat your flat, membrane and so anyone who sees you

629
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: would only see your. Outers they'd have to cut you

630
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: open and peel back your outer contour to see what's.

631
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: Inside so let's seal that. Back we are three dimensional

632
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: people who are completely transparent to four dimensional. Beings you

633
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: have an outer. Perimeter we call it. Skin, yes, okay,

634
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: YEAH i would love to write a sci fi story

635
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: where the hospital is the surgery is a four dimensional

636
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: room and you go in there and the doctors remove the. Tumor,

637
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: yeah and they never cut you open to do, so.

638
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: Because it's just your.

639
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: Flat they're accessing you through the fourth. Dimension so surgery

640
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: they just go in and pluck it, out it, out

641
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: and there's no no evidence of Any.

642
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: That would be.

643
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: Good when you start thinking about, dimensions it's a fascinating.

644
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: World and you think they're infinite. Dimensions it could.

645
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: Be cosmologists say there might be ten dimensions in which

646
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: to embed everything they need to account for in The

647
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: Big bang and follows, it but we can't see the

648
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: other dimensions because they're tightly curled. Up the idea with

649
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: the higher dimensions is that they might be there right

650
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: but not entirely accessible to, Us and.

651
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: It's possible that there's life on those other. DIMENSIONS i don't.

652
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: See why?

653
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: Not, yeah why? Not we, can we can conceive of.

654
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: It my last Guest Cleo. Abram do you Know Cleo?

655
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: Abram she has a show Called Huge If true on

656
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: YouTube and, ANYWAYS i end every show asking what the

657
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: guest doesn't know about with the guest is quote unquote

658
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: dumb about and she, asked where are the? ALIENS i

659
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: want to ask you about this BECAUSE i feel every

660
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: Time i've seen you asked about, aliens this. Happens what's

661
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: happening in front of me right, now which is that?

662
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: YOU i feel like you.

663
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: For the question what you're interpreting my, Face.

664
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: I'm interpreting your face billions of a second. Ago i'm

665
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: interpreting that, actually but four billions of a second. Ago

666
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: but you seem to be skeptical about alien, sightings ABOUT

667
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: Uap Unidentified aeral phenomena OR, ufo both the.

668
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Signings i'm skeptical of how people interpret.

669
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: Them how do you think people interpret?

670
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: Them they think they're visiting aliens from outer, Space and

671
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: an account of people seeing aliens is more often than

672
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 2: not an account of some lights in the sky behaving

673
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: badly to the fact that fifty years ago there was

674
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: no end of accounts typically extracted via. Hypnosis no end

675
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: of accounts of people having been abducted by. Aliens in

676
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: the era of the, smartphone those accounts have gone to. Zero,

677
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: really because you could film an encounter with. Aliens, yes

678
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 2: it would go viral.

679
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: Instantly we have the ability to have proof now.

680
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: Correct so that skepticism is people's, accounts that's.

681
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: All are aliens? Real do aliens?

682
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: Exist we don't have evidence yet of, them but there's

683
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: no reason to doubt.

684
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: It if they were to. Visit what would you be

685
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: most embarrassed about them seeing on our?

686
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: Earth, WELL i don't know what they would. DO i

687
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: can't think like an. Alien but there's a COMIC i

688
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: think it was in The New yorker. Show two cave

689
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: men facing each other in a, cave and one says

690
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: to the, OTHER i don't get. It my water is,

691
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: pure the air is, clear all of our food is.

692
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: Organic yet none of us lives past Thirty those are.

693
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: Cavemen now let's go to eighteen. Forty everything they ate was,

694
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: organic the water ramp. Heure half of everyone born was

695
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: dead by thirty. Five fast forward to. Today if you

696
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: die before, ninety your obituary is going to have to

697
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: account for. That, somehow not just your old, age not

698
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 2: just old. Age you're, like how did he? Die explain?

699
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: Yourself explain, Yourself explain. Yourself explain. Yourself and in The

700
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: New York, times for, example the OBITUARIES i marked when

701
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: they started giving the cause of death for people over.

702
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: Eighty so that meant we understood, aging we understood the

703
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: death of someone who's. Old and it's a reportable bit of.

704
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: Information LIKE i, said if you die before, eighty people

705
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: want to know. Why when one hundred and, fifties one

706
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy years, ago it was half the people

707
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: were dead by thirty. Five so the point is today

708
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 2: we live in a world where we have overvalued the

709
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: significance of the food we eat relative to what role

710
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: science has played to increase.

711
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: Our, longevity and what is the technology that has enabled

712
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: us mostly to.

713
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: Lookitation, vaccines preventive, medicine knowing what role exercise plays in

714
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: your cardiovascular. Health we have still a long way to.

715
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: Go WHEN i was in seventh, GRADE i wrote a

716
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: book report On ponce De leone and The fountain Of.

717
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: Youth so it's A spanish explorer And i'm looking at

718
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: it AND i, say this is a full grown. Adult

719
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: BUT i was a geek kid since age, Nine, yes

720
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: which WHY i can have this. Thought this is a

721
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: full grown.

722
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: Adult were you non geek before?

723
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: NINE i was just? Regular, okay? Yeah after, NINE i

724
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: got my death. Groove Now i'm reading it and it,

725
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: said there's a full grown adult who sales across an,

726
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: ocean believing that there's a fountain from which you drink

727
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: and then you will live. Forever AND i thought to,

728
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: myself what the f how Could he's a grown? Man,

729
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: right this is not a fairy. Tale he's a grown.

730
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: Man how could he think? This and everybody thought, that

731
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: and SO i was so disappointed in adults not. That

732
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: but THEN i, said all that was five hundred years,

733
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: ago and now, today this one food is all you

734
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: need to. Eat here's the miracle, food here's a miracle.

735
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: Drink don't do any of, this do this one. Thing

736
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: AND i, said this Is ponce a De leon all over.

737
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: Again this is the secret to. Longevity it wouldn't have

738
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: to just be. Food could do. This in, fact any

739
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: ad on YouTube that has the words this in, IT

740
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: i don't think on it because they want to leave

741
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: you dangling at the.

742
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: This, right you were missing. This the thing you're missing out.

743
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: On this is irresistible. Clickbait What i'm saying is maybe

744
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: all that will ultimately be shown to have an important

745
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: difference on the, Edges but that's not What god is

746
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: living two and three times longer than our great great.

747
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 3: Grandparents, okay, aliens that's. Aliens back to that's, aliens BECAUSE i,

748
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: so here's my. Thing is it possible that the aliens

749
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: are in a different.

750
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: Dimension, well that would be a way for you to

751
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: still say they're aliens with no possible evidence of their. Existence.

752
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 3: Okay. Sure by the, way do you think aliens speak? Math?

753
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes that's how you'd have to communicate with.

754
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: Them That Caveman New yorker cartoon that you're talking, About

755
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: you and meet, alien alien comes, here and you would, say.

756
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: YEAH i would find ways to show symbol if they,

757
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: see to check what their retinue of senses. Are if

758
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: they hear but don't, see you need other ways to do, This.

759
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: Okay and maybe they see in a different wavelength of.

760
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: Light they could see infrared rather than, visible so i'd

761
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: have to you'd have to assess. This, yes then you

762
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: work within their.

763
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: Senses but it's definitely. Math it's Not, English, no espaniol is.

764
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: Definitely not any language On. Earth and NOW i feel

765
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: bad about. This when the Movie Arrival yeah came the

766
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: government shows a physicist and a linguist to communicate with the,

767
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: alien AND i, said, no you want a cryptographer and an,

768
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: astrobiologist not a linguist and a. Physicist and then WHEN i,

769
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: POSTED i JUST i felt.

770
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 3: Bad people thought you were anti.

771
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: Linguist linguists are hardly ever in. MOVIES i have no

772
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: shortage of astrophysicists in. Movies every space movie has an

773
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: actual physicist in there, Somewhere and so THEN i felt.

774
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: Bad cast in, Shade, yeah it was their day in the.

775
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 3: Sun we got to send the right people in the

776
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: circumstances you don't want to. Send i'm sorry, linguist but,

777
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: like we don't want to send the wrong.

778
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: Person, YEAH i don't need your. Culture.

779
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: No in twenty, TWENTY i produced an interview With Elon,

780
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: musk and he talked about how we needed to be

781
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: a multi planetary space faring. Civilization do we need to

782
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: be a multiplanetary space faring that.

783
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: That makes very good news paper? Headlines you'd expect that

784
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: spoken of someone who's in the business of making rockets

785
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: and launching, things sending people. Places So i'm not surprised by,

786
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: That and that idea goes back some ways Or Carl

787
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: sagan was a big fan of becoming a multi planet.

788
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Species so why would you do that.

789
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: Because you believe that there is some scarcity on This,

790
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: earth some abundance to be hot, outside or some expansion

791
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: of our population that requires, it.

792
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: Or more likely in those, scenarios that it could put

793
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: our species at risk if all our eggs were in

794
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: one basket and a killer asteroid comes or a virus or. Whatever,

795
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: okay that's the main, motivation other than just the exploration

796
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: part of. It you can go, there explore and then

797
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: come back to go there and stay a big. Driver

798
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: there is that way we protect the. Species. Species, YEAH

799
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: i have a way more practical view of the. WORLD

800
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: i don't mind people thinking. THAT i just think it's

801
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: it's a solution to a non. Problem every scenario you

802
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: come up, WITH i can put life On earth at

803
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: risk to solve. It seems to me to be easier

804
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 2: than terraforming marsn't shipping a billion? People do suppose we

805
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: suppose we trash our. Environments, yeah and we Need earth

806
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: two point. Zero that's not an asteroids being in our own, bathtub, right,

807
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: okay this time cooping in their, bathtub right, yeah, Okay

808
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: so why not that if we have the power of

809
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: geoengineering to Turn mars Into, earth then we have the

810
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: power to Turn earth back Into. EARTH i can't think

811
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: of a reason why we would have to do. THAT

812
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: i can think of a hundred reasons why we would

813
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: want to do, It but every reason that people give

814
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: for having to do, it, YEAH i don't find. CONVINCING

815
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: i want to do it BECAUSE i like.

816
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: Exploring one of the reasons why we want to do,

817
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: it and it feels sometimes imperative is, competition, competition not

818
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: just amongst, species but within our own. Species we want

819
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: to be in The moon before other countries are at The.

820
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: Moon we want to be at the In mars before

821
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: other countries are In. Mars we want to take up

822
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: as much Of mars as we. Can territorial domination it's a.

823
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: Driver it's a, driver especially among.

824
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 3: Men yeah, yeah well, YEAH i mean it'd be interesting

825
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: if we had more female leaders to see if they

826
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: too would have to save incentives actually.

827
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: Really big ones in the past. Century, yeah they have

828
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: been just like. Men.

829
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: YEAH i was going to, SAY i think a lot

830
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: of the things that we think are just male and.

831
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Females Margaret thatcher de Were.

832
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 3: Gandhi there's that book that's like men are From, mars

833
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: women are From venus or. Whatever it turns out that

834
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: it's like.

835
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: POWER i think those women succeeded because they were succeeding

836
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: in a man's, world and they have to be like

837
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: a man to do. So let's say you're in a

838
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: traffic and someone cuts someone else, off and then a

839
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: person jumps out of the car and yells at the other.

840
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: Person there's a ninety nine percent chance that's a, man

841
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: not one.

842
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: Hundred but not In New york necessary because it's a

843
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 3: Man's we're all In New York.

844
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: City and the funny thing, is to, me men like

845
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: complaining about women's emotions and their. Hormones, yeah century centuries

846
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: doing that without actually looking at ourselves and, saying how

847
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: does testosterone manifest as a hormone on our? Behavior how

848
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: many bar fights break out between women versus? Men is

849
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: that socialization or is it? Hormones, yeah you could say

850
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: it's SOCIETAL i, Suppose but this territorial. Thing, yeah this

851
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: is not, genderized but just the idea that if aliens

852
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: exist anywhere in the, universe how come they haven't? Visited? Right,

853
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: okay you can do a calculation that if you visit

854
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: other star, systems you figure out how to make rockets

855
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: they can fit other star, systems even if it takes

856
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: one hundred years to get. There then you get there

857
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: and you build a, factory and you build two more.

858
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Ships then they go to two other star system and

859
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: then they go to. Four give yourself a very relaxing

860
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: time to make that. Happened you could do it in

861
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: one hundred million. Years the universe is billions of years. Old,

862
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: Okay so if you run that, calculation you can, say

863
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: If amlias did it at, all they should have occupied

864
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: every planet in the. Galaxy where are? They this is

865
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 2: the Famous fermi. Paradox an argument against The fermi paradox

866
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: is whatever urge you have to want to take control

867
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: of a planet is self, limiting as we say in,

868
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: physics because you reach a point where, okay now half

869
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: the planets are. Going but now this urge is so,

870
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: STRONG i want your. Planet it's self. DESTRUCT i want your, planet,

871
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: okay and then they fight each other and the entire system.

872
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: Implodes and that actually already happened On earth with the

873
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: age of.

874
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: Colonization lots of talk About russia And china and outer

875
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: space and the space competition With russia And. CHINA i

876
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: think That. India india's got this big space program right,

877
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 3: now And i've been impressed by the stride that The

878
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 3: indians are making an outer Space are you impressed by?

879
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: That what impresses me is not that they've made the, strides,

880
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: yeah but that the strides were unthinkable even just a

881
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: few decades. Ago they're accomplishing what other space faring nations are. Accomplishing.

882
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah so we're all, Human So i'm not differently, impressed,

883
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: yeah for what they've done relative to anybody else doing.

884
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: It what impresses me When i'm impressed is where were

885
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: you twenty years? Ago, yeah thirty years, ago and where

886
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: are you? Now india was the first to land, safely

887
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: softly on the south pole of The. Moon The indian

888
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: headlines Were indian lands is the fourth country to land

889
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: on The. Moon that's not the. Headline it is the

890
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: first country to land softly at the south.

891
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: Pole and what's up With india in outer space because

892
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: of the speed with which they have gotten, here are

893
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: they going to get elsewhere? Faster you? Think or or you,

894
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: know there's national.

895
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: Pride never underestimate the value of national pride and national.

896
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: Security security is a code word for protecting. Yourself but

897
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: also if you feel like being an, aggressor you have

898
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 2: the power to do. So SO i say security Because

899
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: i'd rather we were secure rather than it's a that's

900
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: the peace nick in. Me In india a few years

901
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: before they tomahawked out one of their satellites from more a.

902
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: Bit it's called a kinetic. Kill you would do that

903
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: if the satellite is failing or you don't want. To

904
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: and So india did, that after The United states did,

905
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: it After russia did, it and After china did, It

906
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: and So Prime minister gets on and, says we do

907
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: this for peaceful you, know there's the peace. Argument, yeah

908
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: this is the beginnings of people's access to. Space one

909
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: thing that concerned me deeply When india landed on The South.

910
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: POLE i don't know if you know that it had a.

911
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: ROVER i.

912
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 3: SAW i don't know what it.

913
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 2: Is, yeah, okay so it's a rover and so there's the. Rover,

914
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: yes the emblem in The indian, flag here's the Central.

915
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah and one of the icons of The Space agency

916
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: were embedded in the rovers, wheels so that as it

917
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: rolled on the dusty, soil these. Imprints but they came in.

918
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: Peace but, wait but. Wait and the sad part of

919
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: my concern is it's Something americans would. SAY i know

920
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: we would say, It so how CAN i get mad

921
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: if somebody else is going to say so on the?

922
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: Internet because people were dancing in the streets when, yes oh, yes,

923
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: okay there was On twitter or wherever it first landed

924
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: on X because as you, know The pakistani flag has

925
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: The muslim and the and the and the. Star this posting,

926
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: said In india we have our flag on the. Moon

927
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: In pakistan they have the moon on the. Flag did

928
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 2: you have to go? There you, know it'd be something.

929
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: Different If pakistan wars big as idea and they had

930
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: active then it would be kind of a. Fun it

931
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: would be trash talk.

932
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: In the, way punching, down punching, down.

933
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: That's what you're. Doing AND i WAS i was saddened by.

934
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: THAT i want to talk to you about how technology

935
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: changes your what you, Do how DO ai and quantum change.

936
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: Astrophysics, well there's certain problems that become tractable that were

937
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: previously only things we could. Approximate If i'm going to

938
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 2: model what happens to a rotating galaxy that has hundreds

939
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: of billions of, stars my computers in the nineteen seventies

940
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: couldn't do. That, well let me model galaxy using one hundred.

941
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: Stars maybe ables something about one hundred stars that will

942
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: give me insight to a billion. Stars maybe maybe. Not

943
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 2: so much of our effort over the years is approximating

944
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: the reality because the computing power can't match the. Reality

945
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: with quantum, COMPUTING i can model all the, stars by the,

946
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: way every, star every, time every star moves the gravitational,

947
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: configuration but everything is.

948
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: Different, yeah it can calculate.

949
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: That calculate. That then there's gas. Clouds how do you

950
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: calculate a gas? Cloud it's not a discrete. Object there

951
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: are bits and pieces of molecules moving, around subjected to

952
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 2: radiation forces and magnetic forces and rotational forces and sheer.

953
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: Forces oh my, gosh we love. It, okay bring it.

954
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 3: On is it possible that we live in a? Simulation?

955
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: Yes and my best evidence for that is just when

956
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: things are kind of, stable let's have the leader of

957
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: the free world be A New York city real estate.

958
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: Developer there's got to be someone simulating us throwing that

959
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: in just for their.

960
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: Entertainment that's Your your best evidence for simulation Is Donald.

961
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: Trump wouldn't have to just be. That and then so

962
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: now he's not in, office and then he comes back

963
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 2: one and then we Have. Biden things are pretty. Stable

964
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: we need a.

965
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: Pandemic pandemic, well, YEAH i, THINK i, say and Then

966
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: biden becomes a little less. STABLE i say.

967
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: THAT i think one argument for a simulation is how

968
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: how periodically something extraordinary happens in the. World the world

969
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: doesn't just stay in a stable chaos Chaosk and if

970
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: you ever played these simulation, games that's what you, want

971
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: because that's where it's more.

972
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 3: Interesting that's where it gets.

973
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: Interesting. YEAH i used to play Sim city and every

974
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: now and Then godzilla would walk across the, city maybe

975
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: fires and everything we've, broken And godzilla is not, real

976
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: but it's metaphor for an assault on the, city which

977
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: is exactly what nine to eleven. Was it was an.

978
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: Assault it's Not. Godzilla but when you're simulating the fire,

979
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: department the police. Department Un, yes what is tax money?

980
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: Doing are people?

981
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: Unhappy my Friend ian has a list of reasons why

982
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 3: he believes the world is a. Simulation they include.

983
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: Things like, wells wells w what's?

984
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 3: Wells the idea that you like put down on there's,

985
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 3: water emergency broadcast, system just like things observable phenomenon that

986
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: seem odd and. Simulation like for, me like all things

987
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: drilling are. That it's like reminds me of being in

988
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: a video game where Like Mario, kart like you, Know

989
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: mario hits the thing and then a mushroom comes out

990
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: and he gets.

991
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: Bigger uh.

992
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: Huh that seems like we're living in a. Simulation just then.

993
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: Natural so he's saying there's no law in the universe

994
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: that says if you, dig you get. Water so when you,

995
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: dig you get. Water clearly somebody put it. There OH

996
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: i need some, energy let's put oil.

997
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 3: There, yeah, exactly like, oh let's put the sludge into a.

998
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: Car will power a. CAR i mean it's kind of,

999
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 3: Odd like the whole thing is.

1000
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: Odd, Okay so it's Like, minecraft where you just through

1001
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: stuff there and you do it and you build a little.

1002
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: World Sea chuck we don't even need.

1003
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: Weed, okay that's the.

1004
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: Thing but how would we find out if we are

1005
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: in a, simulation how would we?

1006
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: Know there are? Ways, okay one has been. Suggested so

1007
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: gamma ray. Bursts these are pulses of gamma rays from

1008
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: the universe that summer higher energy than. Others, yeah and

1009
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: if you find it's the highest energy of anything we've

1010
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: ever leasured of. Anything if we find an edge to,

1011
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: that where above, that there's no, more that could be

1012
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: the edge of the. Simulation because you can't simulate something to.

1013
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: Infinity you have to put some edges on. It like

1014
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: The Truman, show it looks like a sky and, clouds

1015
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: but he goes out there and then it's a. Wall,

1016
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: right it's the Wall up until then it was, fine,

1017
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: Right but if you explore this is what exploration. Does

1018
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: it probably annoys the, Programmers, yeah because we're reaching for

1019
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: the edge of what you thought we would ever.

1020
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: Acquire so then mars could be good good as, well

1021
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 3: good because it pushes the. Edge, sure or it could

1022
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: just be fall into the line of the. Simulation they

1023
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 3: want us to go, There.

1024
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: The simulation would not need you would not want. It

1025
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: if you are the simulator to simulate everything if no

1026
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 2: one was looking at. It If i'm, digging you'd only

1027
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: simulate What i'm digging. Too in the spot Where i'm,

1028
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: DIGGING i don't have to simulate it over there because

1029
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: you're not digging over. There so that greatly improves the

1030
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: computing power of the simulation when you localize it the

1031
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: only places where people are granting it. Attention here's a

1032
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: way to consider. This when we look in the universe

1033
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: in the search for an intelligent, life that comes with

1034
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: a big assumption that whatever we find would agree that

1035
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: we are. Intelligent but who declared that we're intelligent?

1036
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: Ourselves we?

1037
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: Did?

1038
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1039
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: What? What? Okay and what's the closest species to? Humans?

1040
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: Monkeys?

1041
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: Chimpanzee? Chimpanzees, yeah how smart is a? Chimp it's one

1042
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: PERCENT dna difference between. Us we have The, james, webspace

1043
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: telescope and philosophy and art and. Music they have none of. It,

1044
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: right stack boxes and reach a. Banana, now if you're,

1045
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: religious you might, say what a difference that one percent

1046
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: make makes we're? Special? Yeah or you take another, View

1047
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: maybe the difference between stacking boxes and reaching a banana

1048
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: and The james webspace telescope is as.

1049
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: Small, yeah it's like a one to three.

1050
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: Percent as that one percent you, say come, ON, ti sack. It,

1051
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: well imagine because our toddlers can stack boxes and. Banana

1052
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: so now imagine a life form that's one percent beyond

1053
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 2: us in the. Universe, yeah on that same intelligence, scale

1054
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: what would we look like to?

1055
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: Them we look like. Chimpanzee we would look like.

1056
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: Chimpanzee, yes our most brilliant achievements would be accomplished by their.

1057
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: Toddlers little Alien timmy, Comes, oh what did you do

1058
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: today from? School? OH i composed a sonnet and derived

1059
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: the principles of. Calculation that's so. Cute put it on the. Refrigerator, sure.

1060
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 3: That's so.

1061
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: Sad so my point, is, yeah they could have Created

1062
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: earth as a literal aquarium terrarium for their own, amusement

1063
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: with us as life forms upon, it and we would

1064
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: never know until we hit the.

1065
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: Edge until we hit the, edge and then maybe we

1066
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: would find.

1067
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: Out unless they're so smart they know we're not even

1068
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: going to live for the.

1069
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: Edge, okay you've been so generous with your. Times i'm

1070
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: going to try to get you out of. Here when

1071
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 3: do a lightning, round, okay And i'll keep the questions lightnings. Purple, okay,

1072
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: Great why are you so good at communicating or or actually,

1073
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: better why do other scientists suck at? Communicating they, Do i'm,

1074
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 3: sorry not all of.

1075
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 2: That it's not valued in the. Field there's no test

1076
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: for it in THE. PhD, yeah that's like, saying why

1077
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: do construction workers suck at? Communicating it's not it's not

1078
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: the core of the, function it's not part of the

1079
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 2: it's not part of the, job and so. So AND

1080
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: i would say some fraction of my colleagues may be

1081
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: higher than in the, population are on the on the.

1082
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: Spectrum and when you're on the, SPECTRUM i don't care about. You,

1083
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: YEAH i have my own, thoughts AND i care about

1084
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: my lab. Equipment and so you, know you can't put

1085
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: a camera in front of that person and expect them

1086
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 2: to be cheery eyed and smiley and with. Eyebrows you

1087
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 2: can't expect. That, yeah AND i While i'd rather be

1088
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: in the, lab.

1089
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 3: Thanks thanks Doctor.

1090
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: Tyz, yeah, Yeah i'd rather be in the, lab But

1091
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: i'd be irresponsible IF i never left.

1092
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: It as an educator and having this value of being

1093
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 3: able to, communicate how do you assess our relationship to

1094
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: act and the skepticism around science and expertise right, Now.

1095
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah it'll just implode society and then we'll recover from it.

1096
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: EVENTUALLY i think The United states is good at reacting

1097
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: to perceive. Threats there are other countries that do not

1098
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: have this problem of the mistrust of, science and we'll

1099
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: just watch them ascend, economically because innovations and science and

1100
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: technology are the engines of tomorrow's economy in every, sector

1101
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 2: including things like. Farming we make more food on less

1102
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: land with fewer farmers than ever. Before it's because of.

1103
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: Science so we'll just watch other countries rise. Up AND

1104
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: i think we have more to fall before we realize.

1105
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: That and it's, sad but you, Know i'm trying to

1106
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: do ALL i can to prevent.

1107
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: It it's.

1108
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: Hard the communication, HELPS i, Think, yeah so, HERESY i

1109
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: protect my. EGO i say to, myself as bad as it,

1110
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: is maybe it would be much worse IF i were

1111
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: not doing my. Thing that's WHY i.

1112
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 3: Say that's why we can't let you time travel and undo,

1113
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: yourself because then you wouldn't be able to hear be

1114
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: here and teach. Us you updated and re release your book.

1115
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: Order to the twenty first, century thirty five.

1116
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: Years between its publication and its. Update in that, time

1117
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 3: we discovered a lot of things The hubbles. Telescope what

1118
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 3: in the next thirty five years are we going to?

1119
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 3: Discover what do you what do you likely to?

1120
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: Think like, physics we have a good handle on. That,

1121
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: yeah because budgets get, allocated space probes get, Designed we

1122
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: have a we have a decadal survey right that we

1123
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: invoke and that guides us in the decades that. Follow

1124
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: So i'd like to know if there's life anywhere On,

1125
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: mars even below the. SURFACE i want to know if

1126
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: there's life swimming In jupiter's Moon, europa which as a

1127
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: frozen outer shell and an ocean of liquid water that's

1128
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: been liquid for billions of. Years there's more water there

1129
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: than all the water In earth's. Oceans SO i think

1130
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: the question about life in the, universe microbial or, otherwise

1131
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: will be answered in the next thirty years BY.

1132
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: Nasa all, right last question for every GUEST i have

1133
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: on the show is what do you not? Know what are?

1134
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 3: You what Is Neil deGrasse tyson dumb? About if?

1135
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: Anything, oh Anytime i'm in the company of someone who

1136
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: knows anything THAT i don't. Know that's ALL i want

1137
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: to talk. About, yeah, YEAH i have a curiosity of

1138
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: everything THAT i don't. Know and if they're an expert

1139
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: on like cricket legs or whether there's a chef Or

1140
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: i'm all there.

1141
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: Must be very frustrated for you to be a.

1142
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: Guest then, ye yes it is because then everyone asked me, questions,

1143
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: Right AND i don't mind that Because i'm an. Educator

1144
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: but that's not my preferred dinner, party. RIGHT i prefer

1145
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: to sit me next to someone who's GOT i don't.

1146
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: Care they could be a, preacher they could be an oil.

1147
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: Driller i've got.

1148
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: Questions, okay give me a. Question something you want to

1149
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: know that you wish that you could go to a

1150
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: dinner party to night and sit next to someone who could.

1151
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: Answer what's a specific.

1152
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: Question, oh let's say it's a construction. Worker, okay how

1153
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: did they get the crane to the top of the?

1154
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 3: Building how did they get the CRAZY.

1155
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: I didn't see them put it up. There it's fifty stories.

1156
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: Up, yeah there there's probably a crane left or.

1157
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: Something i've never seen. IT i would ask, them do you.

1158
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: Think that in another universe somewhere out there there's A

1159
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: Neil deGrasse tyson that knows this and the.

1160
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: Infinite, YEAH i, mean it's just these are.

1161
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: Things there could be a construction, Worker Neil Degrass tyson

1162
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 3: and another.

1163
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: Plan sure That neil would certainly know the answer to that.

1164
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: Question the curiosity would be all up in.

1165
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: It thank you so, Much neil for doing. THIS i

1166
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: so appreciate. It oh, SURE i feel less tangled now

1167
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: thanks to.

1168
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: You your mental roadways have been. Unraveled thank.

1169
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 3: You thank you for that.

1170
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: Service you have it, anytime all.

1171
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: Right that conversation With Neil Dagrass tyson just definitely untangled

1172
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: my mind a little, bit or it totally bent it

1173
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: out of. Shape i'm not. SURE i have a lot

1174
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: of processing to. Do but three quick reflections on. That

1175
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: one on this question of if we're living in a,

1176
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: SIMULATION i Found neil's answer to that to be beautifully

1177
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 3: scientific and mathematical in some, way like there's no evidence against,

1178
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: it and there's potentially some evidence for, it so it's.

1179
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: Possible AND i found even more compelling his answer to

1180
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: the second question of how would we you know this

1181
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: kind of testing of the edges of the simulation to

1182
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: see if it. Breaks it is hugely destabilizing for me

1183
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 3: to think. About, second and on the subject of, destabilizing

1184
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: it was really sad By neil's answer about our growing

1185
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 3: distrust and skepticism about the. SCIENCE i had hope for

1186
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: something more, hopeful but he instead was, like, well we

1187
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: might implode as a. Society we have a lot further to.

1188
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: Fall that just sucks because if you think, about you,

1189
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: know other parts of that, conversation the great leaps we've

1190
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: made as a, society our ability to kind of double

1191
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 3: or triple our, lifespan our ability to detect and deflect.

1192
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: ASTEROIDS i, mean these are huge innovations that relied on

1193
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 3: a belief in, science an investment in. Science it's hard

1194
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: to think that we're going to let those things. Go,

1195
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: thirdly and on a much lighter, NOTE i want to

1196
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: make a plea to the negative gravity matter funders around the,

1197
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 3: world whatever universities or researchers are doing. THIS i, mean

1198
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: the idea of wormholes like These rick And morty guys

1199
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 3: have to just like avoid airports, entirely and to have

1200
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: food delivered into my refrigerator sounds like the best. Thing

1201
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: it also is really kind of, trippy really, trippy and

1202
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: if we get, There i'm going to know for sure

1203
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 3: that we're in a. Simulation that's it for this week

1204
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: of Smart girl Dumb. Questions i'm going to go find

1205
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: a wormhole AND i hope you'll be back with me Next.

1206
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,360
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01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,880
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