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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the

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Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. Happy Thanksgiving everybody. I hope

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Speaker 1: you are together with those that you love, and I

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Speaker 1: certainly am LZ your mom, my mom, the kids are here,

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Speaker 1: your brother's coming in, so we are hosting this year.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Babe, Happy Thanksgiving. I'm so grateful for you.

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Speaker 1: This is our first round of holidays as a married couple.

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Speaker 2: Not much has changed, but well, no, you know what,

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Speaker 2: something has changed.

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 2: I think maybe this year, maybe it was last year,

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Speaker 2: was the first time or will be the first time

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Speaker 2: that we've spent both major holidays, Thanksgiving and Christmas together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we made a concerted effort early on to just

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Speaker 1: support each other of go be with your family. You

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Speaker 1: do your thing, I'll do my thing. We will try

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Speaker 1: to be together as much as possible. We've definitely learned

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Speaker 1: we don't want to be apart.

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Speaker 2: So well, you know, we don't want to be apart.

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Speaker 2: But I will also say, I just think, like with

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Speaker 2: a lot of families, you know you're dealing with. I

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Speaker 2: think people tend to live all over the country more

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Speaker 2: now than they did decades ago. Our families are spread

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Speaker 2: out all over in different cities. You know. We have

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Speaker 2: divorce in our family, Like there are different things where

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Speaker 2: you end up having to split time and share time,

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Speaker 2: and so I think it's so important to have a

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Speaker 2: soft heart with that and to be empathetic and to

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Speaker 2: not make demands of the people you love, Like as

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Speaker 2: long as you're seeing effort from those people that they

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Speaker 2: want to see or that they're trying to or they're saying, well,

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Speaker 2: let's do Christmas on this day. But it's hard. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to not be with the ones you love on holidays.

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Speaker 1: And we did that and I definitely was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to do that again. Where you and I

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Speaker 1: were apart, you don't ever well, I mean, if we look,

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Speaker 1: if we have to, I agree with what you just said.

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Speaker 1: We all got to just do the best we can. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you have kids and families, like you said, in

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Speaker 1: the family dynamics.

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Speaker 2: Grew up, they're dating people, they have partners, you know.

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Speaker 1: And in this day and age, there's divorce in your

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Speaker 1: everybody and including having grace for our own kids. Of

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Speaker 1: everyone's just going to do the best they can and

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Speaker 1: you try to remove the guilt. And I guess that

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Speaker 1: gets me to my point of what's so wonderful about

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is it's the holiday where you really choose. You know,

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Speaker 1: Christmas is it's family. You know, it's it's such a

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Speaker 1: religious holiday. Typically it's that's with your family, period, full stop.

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving has always been kind of that. Yes, it's definitely

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Speaker 1: with family, but it's also your friends, the people you

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Speaker 1: choose to have a holiday with.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think this is a very La thing. You're

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Speaker 2: heading on. LA is the city of friendsgivings. Did you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I did a few of those.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because it's a very transient place. Like

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are moving to LA to pursue

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Speaker 2: their dreams away from their family please. And then it's

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Speaker 2: lot of people are struggling artists, like with not that

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Speaker 2: much money. So I noticed when I was in LA

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Speaker 2: in my twenties, so many people stay in LA for Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: do friends givings, and then like save their money to

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Speaker 2: go home for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: And I tried to bring as many orphans, you know,

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Speaker 1: home because I was very traditionalist. You know, I would

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Speaker 1: fry the turkey and do the thing. And you know, look,

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Speaker 1: if you want to come, bring a dish if you can,

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Speaker 1: if not, just come and enjoy. Because you know, one

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Speaker 1: thing is you just don't want people to feel alone

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Speaker 1: in these holiday seasons, and try to be cognizant of that.

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Speaker 1: If you have friends or people that are alone, try

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Speaker 1: to make people feel a little seen and loved on

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Speaker 1: this holiday. But I'm excited for Thanksgiving, and I hope

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Speaker 1: excited for Thanksgiving. I love this holiday. Is there something

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Speaker 2: I've actually, very consciously in the last few years tried

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Speaker 2: and really thinking about truly what I'm thankful for, because

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Speaker 2: you know, when you're little, it's like the turkey and

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Speaker 2: I don't know what thinks. There's the playful side of

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and when you're a kid, you don't have the

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Speaker 2: couple of years, I know, you know, there's been some

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Speaker 2: controversy around it as a holiday. So to me, I've

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Speaker 2: Christmas there's a lot more pomp and circumstance, like gifts

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Speaker 2: and people we love. So I think that like this year,

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Speaker 2: my brother wasn't necessarily like he was super busy with work,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, just come, you know, Like, to me,

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Speaker 2: it's so important, and it probably comes from a grief

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Speaker 2: older I get, the more I just think, let's just

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Speaker 2: lot of gratefulness and quality time together. So I'm thankful

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Speaker 2: and that's what I'm looking forward to about Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: What were your thanksgivings growing up? What was that?

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Speaker 2: Always either at our house or my grandmother's house. She

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Speaker 2: who was hosting Thanksgiving or Christmas?

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Speaker 1: And is just like ten twenty thirty Yeah, like.

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Speaker 2: Like we were all, you know, kids running around and

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Speaker 2: and I'm definitely grateful this year for my sister being

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Speaker 2: a new mom. It's like starting a new generation and

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Speaker 1: It's going to get bigger and bigger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you? What were your Thanksgivings on?

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Speaker 1: Mine were kind of sports for a while growing up.

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Speaker 1: So we did that for a lot of years, and

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Speaker 1: then after that it was kind of a hodgepodge of

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Speaker 1: So I love Thanksgiving. I think what I relish the

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Speaker 1: like Wednesday, you know, Tuesday, really Wednesday and Thursday, of

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Speaker 1: getting everything prepped. I enjoy going to the store. I

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Speaker 2: You're so right about this. I think that the cooking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hanging out in the kitchen. Your mom's going to

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Speaker 2: Thank god Taylor and Casey are around to join on

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Speaker 2: the baker some sus chef. Your mom's going to cook

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Speaker 1: My mom's coming in, So that to me to have

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Speaker 1: the football game on. Oh you know, you'll be in

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Speaker 1: charge of opening wine and champagne and shakouderie. But we

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Speaker 1: you know, debating whatever it is. That is everything to

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Speaker 1: me as much as diving in and actually eating on Thursdays.

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Speaker 2: I think you're totally right. And isn't it funny because

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Speaker 2: you actually spend so much more time on the prep

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then you're just excited about the leftovers.

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Speaker 2: Well, you just sit on a really good metaphor? Is

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I got to READO my English education. But point of

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Speaker 1: But that's changed, right, I mean, I remember when I

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Speaker 1: dreamt of pecan pie and turkey and gravy and mashed potatoes.

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Speaker 1: It was just waiting all day smelling it, and you'd

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Speaker 1: moment of walking in just seeing this buffet because we

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Speaker 1: if you're your grandparents or whatever, just seeing all that food,

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Speaker 1: to dive into, and then two seconds later you're stuffed.

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Speaker 1: But it's definitely changed now. I relish everyone coming home

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Speaker 2: But that's another good point. Probably when we're younger, we

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Speaker 2: so focus on the end results, yeah, and the toy

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Speaker 2: we get for Christmas, and then when we're older we

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Speaker 2: realize the fun is in like putting the dollhouse together, kids' faces.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, But with that said, let's go shallow.

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Speaker 1: When you see the lineup on Thursday, what's that one

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Speaker 1: thing you're like that's my go to? Like? Is there

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Speaker 1: a thing where you're like? Is it turkey as it yams?

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Speaker 1: Is it the green bean casserout?

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Speaker 2: We're the only ones who do this?

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: You and I feel differently. I love turkey, you're not.

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Speaker 2: I like turkey, turkey fair. Your mom makes an amazing turkey,

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Speaker 2: so I'm excited about that. And I fried a turkey

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Speaker 2: for a long time, which I did love a fried turkey.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Emerald Lagassi fried turkey recipe that's

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Speaker 2: It's my grandfather used to fry a turkey. He got

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Speaker 2: We love you, We're grateful for you, and we hope

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