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Speaker 2: It's time to talk Cowboys off season and what has
Speaker 2: happened and what has not happened over the last week.
Speaker 2: Inside this building, We've got the crew ready to rock
Speaker 2: and roll with Isaiah's stand back, John Machoda, Nick Harris,
Speaker 2: and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 4: Chris Beam is in the back.
Speaker 2: Gentlemen, have we uh, have we come to terms with
Speaker 2: what this offseason is going to be?
Speaker 4: Just yet? Man? Almost like a show tried to warn
Speaker 4: you at some point, would show it was.
Speaker 5: At some point. Yeah, talking cap last week, That's what
Speaker 5: it was. But uh yeah, I mean like salary cap
Speaker 5: or is that lies open for interpretation for interpretation as.
Speaker 4: The kids say no cap these days, right, John, Yeah.
Speaker 6: That's what I try and say, try to say no cap, cringe, cringe.
Speaker 7: I have some others. I'm just not gonna say.
Speaker 4: I like my friend, I kind of want to keep
Speaker 4: them rolling.
Speaker 7: There's just a certain age you shouldn't be saying this anymore.
Speaker 4: But yeah, Isaiah, it's about what I we.
Speaker 8: I think what I assumed it would be. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 8: We talked about disappointment versus frustration, and.
Speaker 4: It is what it is.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 4: I mean, they don't have any money. We know they're
Speaker 4: cash strap.
Speaker 8: They have I don't believe that they're willing to sacrifice
Speaker 8: the potential to re sign Ceedee Lamb or Micah Parsons
Speaker 8: by bringing on somebody to carry them or help them
Speaker 8: this season. That's just that's where I believe that this
Speaker 8: organization is at right now. I think those two individuals
Speaker 8: are taking priority over the best positioning for the team
Speaker 8: this year. And I just think that's the situation that
Speaker 8: they're in. That doesn't probably sound good to most I
Speaker 8: would assume that's my opinion, but that's really when you
Speaker 8: dig deep, that's really what's at the root of this
Speaker 8: situation that they find themselves in, they are unwilling to
Speaker 8: compromise the potential of resigning those two individuals in the future.
Speaker 6: It's those two, but I also think it's the quarterback position,
Speaker 6: so that that's dak or if they were to somehow
Speaker 6: go in another direction. I don't see them not spending
Speaker 6: on the quarterback position, regardless of who's playing it. So
Speaker 6: I would say, yeah, those three. But out of everybody
Speaker 6: that's signed with other teams out of their free agents,
Speaker 6: Tyron Smith is the only one that when you look
Speaker 6: at the deal that they sign, that makes you go, man,
Speaker 6: that would have been really nice to have. A lot
Speaker 6: of the other ones I can move on from, but
Speaker 6: the Tyron Smith seeing that one, seeing how it's six
Speaker 6: point five million guaranteed, the incentives can take it up
Speaker 6: to twenty million, but that's he'd have to reach a lot.
Speaker 6: But if you factor in a lot of the incentives
Speaker 6: in his contract are playtime percentages, and from what I
Speaker 6: read on it, it looked like basically like last year's contract,
Speaker 6: if he was playing under that one that he has
Speaker 6: right now, he probably have made about thirteen million because
Speaker 6: he played over seventy percent of the snaps and so
Speaker 6: I think they paid him about nine ten million last year,
Speaker 6: so it would be an increase off of last year.
Speaker 6: So I mean, if Tyroann could stay healthy for a
Speaker 6: second consecutive year, if they can work out a similar
Speaker 6: plan in New York, then yeah, that works out for Tyron.
Speaker 6: But yeah, if Tyrone stays healthy, that'll be one throughout
Speaker 6: the season that will look back on to be like,
Speaker 6: but all the other ones, I don't those those are
Speaker 6: all guys that thought would be gone anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we could look at these free agents
Speaker 5: that have departed. Let's see Dorn's Armstrong and the Commanders,
Speaker 5: Tony Poller to the Titans. I think those happened around
Speaker 5: when we had our show last week. Tyler Biadis to
Speaker 5: the Commanders, Dante Fowlers to the Commanders, Neville Gallimore to
Speaker 5: the Dolphins, Which that was just that was surprising that
Speaker 5: he came off the board so early and that he
Speaker 5: landed at a spot like that, Tyron Smith to the Jets.
Speaker 5: And then the ones that have been retained Jordan Lewis, C. J. Goodwin,
Speaker 5: Trentzig and Rico Dowdell and the one outside signing, Eric Kendricks,
Speaker 5: so yeah, when the Kendricks news came down last week,
Speaker 5: I think it makes a lot of sense. And as
Speaker 5: I looked more into Kendricks, I was like, man, this
Speaker 5: one just kind of flew right beneath my nose. It
Speaker 5: felt like, because he's a Zimmer guy, it makes sense
Speaker 5: him being a free agent being released by the Chargers
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago. It would make him make
Speaker 5: sense with him to reunite with Zim. So you know,
Speaker 5: Zever made that phone call pull them away from the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers, and I think the Cowboys have at
Speaker 5: least a reliable body in that second level. Is he
Speaker 5: on the back half of his career. Absolutely, but I
Speaker 5: think you look at his health as durability that he's
Speaker 5: been able to stay on the field over the course
Speaker 5: of his nine seasons. If he can keep that going
Speaker 5: into twenty twenty four, that'll only help that second level
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing about Kendricks too, And we'll
Speaker 2: get more into this as we go along.
Speaker 4: I kind of want to talk a little bit more
Speaker 4: about that in the final segment.
Speaker 2: But it's that that veteran presence at linebacker that you've
Speaker 2: been missing whenever it was Dumont Clark, and it was
Speaker 2: Marquise Bell and now without Leyton Vanderischispoell, which we'll get
Speaker 2: into in the second.
Speaker 4: Segment having him back in the building.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the best x's and o's guy at thirty
Speaker 2: two years old and working into a double digit NFL seasons,
Speaker 2: but still a guy that you can rely on to
Speaker 2: bring insight, to bring veteran a mindset into that locker room,
Speaker 2: and help out possibly some young guys through the draft
Speaker 2: in April as well. So definitely something to look forward to.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about those two in the second
Speaker 2: and third segments. But John, you brought up how this
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily surprising and you go down the list and
Speaker 2: you're losing starters. I mean, you look at it, Dorence
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Tyler Biattish, Tony Pollard, all these guys that
Speaker 2: are starters, Tyron Smith, which one hurts the most? Because
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it, I'm saying, Okay, none of these
Speaker 2: moves necessarily surprise me based off of what was said
Speaker 2: going into the off season, But which one hurts the
Speaker 2: most and which one's gonna be toughest to replace?
Speaker 4: Tyron? Why is that?
Speaker 8: I think Tyron hurts the most, not only from the
Speaker 8: leadership perspective, but I think from just.
Speaker 4: The Do you think he was a leader in the
Speaker 4: locker room? I think he was a leader in the field.
Speaker 8: Okay, I think when he steps on the field, you
Speaker 8: don't worry about what's going on where, you know, with
Speaker 8: his responsibility.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean, yeah, I believe so in that regard.
Speaker 8: Only concern that you ever had about Tyrone was his availability,
Speaker 8: which is huge. But when he was available, there was
Speaker 8: never a question about his performance. So I think that's
Speaker 8: going to be hard to feel because not only that,
Speaker 8: but the fact that Tyler Biada's got plucked. I think
Speaker 8: we all kind of assumed that he would move on, however,
Speaker 8: but you didn't expect Tyron to move on. So now
Speaker 8: that you have two voids out of your five on
Speaker 8: your offensive line, that doesn't leave you with solid a
Speaker 8: solid intestinal track.
Speaker 4: That leaves you with the but the bubbleas bubble.
Speaker 8: So you know, no feeling, no cap and you know, I,
Speaker 8: like I said originally, when coach Zimmer first got hired
Speaker 8: back here with the Dallas Cowboys, He's going to want
Speaker 8: his guys and his type of guys, and you have
Speaker 8: to give him that free reign to acquire his type
Speaker 8: of guys. Eric Kendrick obviously is a big acquisition for him,
Speaker 8: but he's going to have to feel the voice that
Speaker 8: he sees fit on that side of the ball because
Speaker 8: he's the new acquisition as a defensive coordinator now for
Speaker 8: the Dallas Cowboys, So you have to give him the
Speaker 8: ability to fill.
Speaker 4: The roster that he sees fit.
Speaker 8: Wow, still feeling voice that you have on the offense
Speaker 8: side of the ball at the office line position and
Speaker 8: the running back position.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's any question its Tyron Smith. And
Speaker 6: the reason I believe that is because going through the
Speaker 6: roster for something I'm working on tomorrow with the athletic is,
Speaker 6: I got nine spots that they need to fill right now,
Speaker 6: and about four or five of those are starters, and
Speaker 6: tyront Is certainly that left tackle spot is one of them.
Speaker 6: You know, I look at running back, I look at center,
Speaker 6: I look at possibly that number three corner, Depending on
Speaker 6: where you are with Jordan Lewis and how Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 6: comes back, you might need a third another starting CALIBERT
Speaker 6: corner there, and then defensive tackle is another one where
Speaker 6: you don't have Hankins, is Mazzi ready for that spot?
Speaker 6: You might need a starter there, But outside of that,
Speaker 6: I just keep going back to the offensive line because
Speaker 6: you clearly need three starters still that aren't on this team.
Speaker 6: And to me, that's the running back position, left tackle,
Speaker 6: and center. And so if you had Tyron Smith, let's
Speaker 6: say they were signed into a similar deal, then you're
Speaker 6: going in this draft being like, yeah, you got to
Speaker 6: find an interior offensive lineman. Maybe hey, maybe you still
Speaker 6: take a tackle at twenty four, and then you got
Speaker 6: to fill that running back thing. But now you look
Speaker 6: at it, you're like, you have to find a defense
Speaker 6: or an offensive tackle because and let's be honest, this
Speaker 6: isn't just a Tyron Smith thing.
Speaker 7: This is because you.
Speaker 6: Know, a Josh Ball, a Mett will let's go aren't
Speaker 6: where you would hope they would be, you know, awesome Richards.
Speaker 6: So I almost feel like you have to add a
Speaker 6: left tackle or a really good guard that pushes Tyler
Speaker 6: Smith out to left tackle, and then one of those
Speaker 6: will let's go Ball Richards. They have to at the
Speaker 6: very least one of those has to be your swing
Speaker 6: tackle at.
Speaker 7: Least, so again they've.
Speaker 8: They've done their due diligence in terms of trying to
Speaker 8: invest in that position. It's not like they're just like,
Speaker 8: uh oh, we gotta fell this void. Like they've been trying.
Speaker 8: These guys just have not been ready to step up yet. Well,
Speaker 8: and they're taking dark shots at a board, is what
Speaker 8: they're doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're using a fifth round pick on Josh Ball,
Speaker 2: They're using a fifth round pick on Matt will Let's go.
Speaker 2: They're using a fifth round pick on Awesome Richards. I
Speaker 2: mean they're using these Day three selections to just throw
Speaker 2: a dart and see if it hits, and it hasn't necessarily.
Speaker 6: Hit, and hey, to be fair to them, it does
Speaker 6: look like they found something with TJ. Bass who was
Speaker 6: undrafted and Terreen Steele who was undrafted. So it's it's
Speaker 6: kind of like almost the Calvin Joseph thing with me,
Speaker 6: where it's like, yes, Calvin Joseph, you missed on but
Speaker 6: you also found dron Bland. So it's not like it's
Speaker 6: not all doom and gloom, but I can see where
Speaker 6: there would still be you know, critsism.
Speaker 2: And the one time that they've invested in the tackle
Speaker 2: spots specifically even without Tyrone Smith at his availability being
Speaker 2: in question.
Speaker 4: With Tyler Smith saying that he's going to be the
Speaker 4: left tackle of the future.
Speaker 2: The only thing that changes out of that is the
Speaker 2: fact that Tyler Smith is now a badass left guard
Speaker 2: and you don't necessarily want to move him as an
Speaker 2: all pro with the left guard spot, so you.
Speaker 4: Don't necessarily want to bump him out of that position.
Speaker 4: I have questions in regards to interior defensive line.
Speaker 8: Okay, with the acquisition of the hiring of Mike Zimbra
Speaker 8: as a divisit quarter and coordinator. Now Freddy Cowboys, how
Speaker 8: much of a role do you think he plays and
Speaker 8: the reason why Jonathan Hankins has not been resigned yet.
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think that's a major role,
Speaker 5: because Hankins knows that there's a spot there for him
Speaker 5: to walk into our next season if you were to
Speaker 5: come back to the Cowboys. I think that's I think
Speaker 5: that's assumed.
Speaker 6: It's interesting you say that because I think of Curse
Speaker 6: a little bit jeering and curse only because of the
Speaker 6: fact that Mike Zimmer was the coach when the Vikings
Speaker 6: drafted him. Mike Zimmer was his coach those first four years.
Speaker 6: Now I will say, I do think that there's some
Speaker 6: good depth a safety, so maybe that's different. But there's
Speaker 6: also a part of me that thinks that with the
Speaker 6: Hankins thing, they could be trying to be a little
Speaker 6: cheap there, you know, Like you see, all these deals
Speaker 6: are all one year deals, and maybe Hankins is kind
Speaker 6: of holding out. He's in a position like I can
Speaker 6: get a one year deal in a couple different places.
Speaker 6: Let me just kind of wait this thing out. Whatever,
Speaker 6: Let's see if my number goes up, because you guys
Speaker 6: clearly need me, you know, So it could be.
Speaker 7: A combination of those.
Speaker 6: The Zimmer thing could be interesting too, But whatever way
Speaker 6: it is, I feel like they need two defensive taxes.
Speaker 4: They need to. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: As you start going through this and free agency continues
Speaker 8: on and the big names are gone, right, primarily that
Speaker 8: most of the big names are gone, the impact names.
Speaker 8: I guess you would say out of the free agent
Speaker 8: pool that at the beginning of the of this period,
Speaker 8: most of those guys are gone. There's needs there aren't
Speaker 8: once there are legit needs for the Dallas Cowboys, and
Speaker 8: I think that's one of the frustrations for a lot
Speaker 8: of Cowboys fans right now is the guys you talk
Speaker 8: about all in they redefined it right and.
Speaker 4: They said that.
Speaker 8: You know, Stephen Jones mentioned the ability to resign your guys. Well,
Speaker 8: Jonathan Hankins is a necessity. I think that was the
Speaker 8: first name that we all mentioned that needs to come back.
Speaker 8: I'm glad they got Jay Lou back. That's awesome, right,
Speaker 8: I know we didn't mention that yet, but that's huge
Speaker 8: for them. He bought out last year, so kudos to him.
Speaker 8: They got good wing back. That was huge because he's
Speaker 8: a special teamer. They lost Dori's armstrong. You know, so
Speaker 8: you lose one special teamer, but you resigned another. But
Speaker 8: you need Hankins back. And not only do you need Hankins,
Speaker 8: you need somebody to play next to Hankins while Mazie
Speaker 8: still develops because he's not ready unless he put his
Speaker 8: weight back on it, his mindset is ready to go
Speaker 8: be an impact player this year.
Speaker 4: So you need Hankins to.
Speaker 8: Be resigned and you need another defense alignment that seemingly,
Speaker 8: at least in a free agent pool, most of those
Speaker 8: guys are gone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be a Day two drive you draft pick.
Speaker 6: But then if for for Chouncy Golsli Fojoko filling in
Speaker 6: there at all, that's what they were drafted for.
Speaker 4: Not big enough. Okay, especially Zimmer goes back to the edge.
Speaker 5: I think a three or five tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hooko could be pushed into the three spot. He
Speaker 2: won't be a one tech. But I think I think
Speaker 2: Golston needs to drop the weight that they put on him.
Speaker 2: And they got too cute trying to fit him into
Speaker 2: avoid they need to put them.
Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: Like, when I think about what has to happen with
Speaker 8: this roster, especially defensively, I go back to the Zimmer
Speaker 8: defenses of the past, right, the Zimmer defenses that I
Speaker 8: played against, and I think about how the interior defensive
Speaker 8: linemen were always ginormous. They were always ginormous because the
Speaker 8: linebackers were able to run free. We've talked about this,
Speaker 8: you know, a ridiculous amount in terms of big defense alignment,
Speaker 8: not allowing office alignment to work up to the second
Speaker 8: level and your linebackers.
Speaker 4: Backwards. You don't have that. You don't have one. You
Speaker 4: don't currently on this roster. You don't have one. The
Speaker 4: next biggest guy you had was Gallimore, He's gone and
Speaker 4: don't be signed.
Speaker 2: Carlos Watkins or whatever is carl Davis Davis, dang it, Carlos.
Speaker 4: Knew So it made exactly. But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: What I'm saying like, there are voids that not only
Speaker 8: have to be filed, but they have to be filled
Speaker 8: according to what he wants, and there's just not a
Speaker 8: huge pool of it.
Speaker 6: And another thing is when you say defensive tackle, it's
Speaker 6: it's not common for a defensive tackle to come out
Speaker 6: of college and come in and dominate, especially in that
Speaker 6: role that you're talking about, the big guy that eats
Speaker 6: it up in the middle. Whereas like you can see
Speaker 6: like a left tackle, especially one of these high first
Speaker 6: round picks having some success immediately, you can see a
Speaker 6: running back that you take in the second third round
Speaker 6: coming in having some success.
Speaker 7: Media defensive tackle is not like that at all.
Speaker 6: So to your point, it's like you need to Hankins
Speaker 6: obviously would feel one of them, but you'd almost want
Speaker 6: to see them get two better ends.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, So I mean, you got two interior divids alignment,
Speaker 8: you got left tackle, you have a center, you need
Speaker 8: a running back. Like draft picks are going off if
Speaker 8: this is where you're going to acquire them, because free
Speaker 8: agency looks pretty bleak right now, right, Yeah, If that's
Speaker 8: where you're gonna acquire them, you're running out of picks
Speaker 8: and you got to hit on all of them, and
Speaker 8: you have to hit on all of them because last
Speaker 8: year's draft didn't make hardly any contributions. Yeah, right, And
Speaker 8: that is the reality that they find themselves in right now.
Speaker 8: And I think that's why most fans have the bubble
Speaker 8: gups right now in regards to the Cowboys and their
Speaker 8: roster and what they're doing. Obviously restructuring Deak and I'm
Speaker 8: sure we're talking about that gives them a little bit
Speaker 8: of space right now. I think that's more a little
Speaker 8: bit gainsmanship going on right now between the two parties.
Speaker 8: But I'm not confident right now that they're in a
Speaker 8: position to fill all their voids with the draft and
Speaker 8: the remaining free agency pool. I just think there's gonna
Speaker 8: be some voids that they're hoping on instead of knowing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think there's also a level of expectation
Speaker 5: of certain guys stepping up. We talked about the offensive
Speaker 5: line with Matt will Let's go Josh Ball, guys like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's gonna be a huge opportunity for them.
Speaker 5: But you look at the running back position, Duce Vaughan,
Speaker 5: there's an opportunity for him, Hunter Lucky to be able
Speaker 5: to take some shorty yards stuffhere go doubt. Oh hey man,
Speaker 5: you're the leading returning rusher. Now you're gonna have to
Speaker 5: be able to step into a role. Whether there's a
Speaker 5: rookie or a veteran that comes in with him in
Speaker 5: that room or not. If it's a tackle position, that's
Speaker 5: a little bit different because all those bodies are gone.
Speaker 5: It's basically just Mazzie Smith and Carl Davis at this point.
Speaker 5: So you've got to be able to fill some fill
Speaker 5: some spots there. But yeah, elsewhere, I think they're hoping
Speaker 5: that there is some there's some uh, there's some certain
Speaker 5: level of stepping up that that that those rooms need.
Speaker 5: We talked about the offensive line. I think that's probably
Speaker 5: most important because well, let's go has been hurt. Josh
Speaker 5: Ball was hurt all last year. Awesome Richards. He didn't
Speaker 5: touch the field at all, even though he was on
Speaker 5: the fifty three. So there's got to be some sort
Speaker 5: of stepping up with one of those three guys. I
Speaker 5: think that there's an expectation of that before.
Speaker 4: You move on percentage that Connor Williams comes back and
Speaker 4: snaps the ball.
Speaker 10: H twelve percent Yeah, going like seven zero yeah, thanks, thanks, thanks,
Speaker 10: Beamer says zero.
Speaker 2: Uh man. It just feels like it's one of those
Speaker 2: off seasons where hope is a strategy, and hope should
Speaker 2: not be a strategy because you're hoping these guys step up.
Speaker 2: You're hoping that teams are going to let these guys
Speaker 2: in free agency, let the contracts go down and then
Speaker 2: you can afford them. And you got to I mean, John,
Speaker 2: you were talking about Jonathan Hankins trying to get a
Speaker 2: bigger chunk of the cash. His cash hasn't been big
Speaker 2: to begin with. Twenty twenty one, he was one point seven.
Speaker 2: He played on the veteran minimum in both twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two and twenty twenty three with the Cowboys, so he
Speaker 2: may want a significant chunk above that. But I mean
Speaker 2: we're talking about probably five hundred k, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: he probably isn't going to get to two million. He's
Speaker 2: probably gonna be right around that one point six to
Speaker 2: one point seven Mark again, and.
Speaker 7: That seems worth it to me because, like I said, man,
Speaker 7: it's just I would do that right now.
Speaker 4: It's a veteran not my money though, right it's not
Speaker 4: my money.
Speaker 6: It's it's a veteran player who plays a position that
Speaker 6: young guys generally don't come in and dominate right away.
Speaker 6: So it'd be one thing if the Cowboys were sitting
Speaker 6: in a position where they're offense of line was in
Speaker 6: good shape, running back was in good shape, and you're
Speaker 6: just like, well, yeah, this just looks like they're going
Speaker 6: to take like Devendre Sweat or whatever.
Speaker 7: I think, say his name and yeah, like a big
Speaker 7: guy like that. I TEXTA. But now you're just like, they.
Speaker 6: Can't even take him in the first round. They like, literally,
Speaker 6: they can't do anything but offensive line in the first round.
Speaker 7: I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't even imagine them doing anything but offensive line
Speaker 6: in the first round. And that's generally not been good
Speaker 6: for the Cowboys when they have to take a position.
Speaker 2: Luckily it is offensive line, and they've been better at
Speaker 2: drafting that position.
Speaker 5: That's in fact, I think overall Hank It's did mention
Speaker 5: on his podcast. I think it was a couple of
Speaker 5: weeks after they had lost the Packers, that he felt
Speaker 5: like he deserved more money wise, but that he wanted
Speaker 5: to be back here in this building. So we'll see
Speaker 5: how that kind of comes to fruition over the course
Speaker 5: of the next week or so. I know, I think
Speaker 5: Seattle is an interesting spot for him. Him and Aiden
Speaker 5: Dirty did get close. Washington is an interesting spot. But
Speaker 5: if I if I were expect him to land anywhere else,
Speaker 5: it'd be Seattle.
Speaker 4: Come on, now, Jonathan, let's let's talk this through. Let's
Speaker 4: talk to now. Let's make something happen which sit next
Speaker 4: to Big Leonard. That'd be interesting. It makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does all right. When we come back, we're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about the Dak extension. We're also gonna talk
Speaker 2: about Layton vander Esh and what he meant to this
Speaker 2: franchise is he pins his emotional retirement letter to the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys and makes it official. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: what he meant and how tough it is going to
Speaker 2: be to replace Layton vander Esh when we come back
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Speaker 2: We've got Isaiah standback. Did you get your oats in?
Speaker 4: I think I'm to the point now where it's just
Speaker 4: a regular season thing. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's an off season, off season, the off season off
Speaker 2: You can get your oats in at at home.
Speaker 4: I mean they could send them to me. Oh, gladly
Speaker 4: do some little artie RTDs artes.
Speaker 5: I don't know any of those.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jay in the life eat ready to eat little
Speaker 2: overnight oats. Got John Machoda, Nick Harris, Kyle Yeomans here
Speaker 2: talking through the Cowboys offseason.
Speaker 4: They did make a move to adjust some cap space. Yeah,
Speaker 4: nothing crazy, don't get too excited.
Speaker 2: Cowboys restructure Dak Prescott converted Prescott's five million dollar roster
Speaker 2: bonus into a signing bonus, added two more avoidable years,
Speaker 2: which is something that the quarterback had to agree on.
Speaker 2: That move fred to four million dollars in cap space
Speaker 2: this year, knocking its cap hit down to fifty five
Speaker 2: point four million next year.
Speaker 4: However, that four.
Speaker 2: Million dollars doesn't go away, moves to next year's dead
Speaker 2: cap money, which is now over forty million already in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five just.
Speaker 4: On Prescott's contract alone.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, twenty twenty five is looking very bleak
Speaker 5: as far as the dead cap. It's y'all think this
Speaker 5: offseason is bad, wait until next off season.
Speaker 4: But I I it's part of this off season just
Speaker 4: buffer for that off season, you.
Speaker 5: Could say so, But also it's about fielding a roster.
Speaker 5: You're also wanting to field a roster for twenty twenty five,
Speaker 5: So yeah, I understand that to a certain extent. But
Speaker 5: also you look at freeing up four million dollars, right,
Speaker 5: that probably pushes the a cap availability to eight or so.
Speaker 5: They'll need roughly fifteen to work with during the season,
Speaker 5: so I mean.
Speaker 4: There's still space. You gotta have eleven for your draft
Speaker 4: class too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean draft class coming in mid season, mid
Speaker 5: season additions, injuries, you got to be able to account
Speaker 5: for all of that. So they still have a lot
Speaker 5: of work to do before they can really put their
Speaker 5: put their hand in the sand and get some guys out.
Speaker 6: That's what you gotta be careful about the whole Like
Speaker 6: we'll just restructure this contract and restructure that contract. Well,
Speaker 6: it's not like you don't have to pay that eventually somewhere,
Speaker 6: you know. And so that's the thing, like it makes
Speaker 6: sense for like, you know, if you get a deal
Speaker 6: done with CD, you know that that totally makes sense.
Speaker 6: And Micah Parsons obviously for a while there when they
Speaker 6: had Romo, they were doing that all the time.
Speaker 7: With Dax contract, they're doing that all the time, and
Speaker 7: that's fine.
Speaker 6: But if you don't know if that player is going
Speaker 6: to be a big part of your future, it's it's
Speaker 6: tough to just keep pushing it down the line like
Speaker 6: that because you're eventually gonna have to it's eventually going
Speaker 6: to count against your cap somewhere. So you know, I
Speaker 6: know that there's gonna be people that maybe reading to
Speaker 6: try to read between the lines of the whole Dak
Speaker 6: thing that that just happened recently with that that four million,
Speaker 6: But I don't think that for me, it doesn't change anything.
Speaker 6: It doesn't make me think they're any closer any further
Speaker 6: away than they were the day before they did it.
Speaker 2: So seven point seven five million is what they've got
Speaker 2: right now in terms of cap space. I mean that's
Speaker 2: with with a draft class still to be signed, with
Speaker 2: an entire offseason a free agency, that's nothing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: my my next question would comes, what's what's the next move?
Speaker 2: Where do you move that money around? Where do you
Speaker 2: find some space?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's there's a few options. It's restructuring Dax Steel
Speaker 5: as we that's sending him, that's the big one. But
Speaker 5: restructuring Treywon Diggs coming off the injury, restructuring Terrence Steele
Speaker 5: bringing up some cap space.
Speaker 7: There, get a deal done with Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 6: Yeah, getting that would make the most sense to me
Speaker 6: period because it's you already know where he's slotted at.
Speaker 7: I mean, the way he's performed, there's no gray area anymore.
Speaker 4: But is he the one?
Speaker 5: If you're CD, why do you do it now?
Speaker 4: Though? That's the question.
Speaker 5: I think that's probably where they run into some issues
Speaker 5: because you're waiting on Jamar Chase, you're waiting on Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 5: Mike Evans did just get his, but T Higgins also
Speaker 5: still waiting on him.
Speaker 6: I find hard to believe that if you offered him
Speaker 6: a deal right now to make him the highest paid player,
Speaker 6: highest pay wide receiver in the league, knowing that those
Speaker 6: two guys will jump him, I find it hard to
Speaker 6: believe he would turn that down.
Speaker 2: What would that take though, because his cap hit already
Speaker 2: is seventeen point nine it's almost eighteen million.
Speaker 4: It's nine thousand short.
Speaker 2: Of that, so nearly eighteen million dollars of a cap
Speaker 2: hit now, wouldn't it take more?
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you can push it down the
Speaker 4: line again, but like that's what we're doing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right here, we're just pushing.
Speaker 4: We're trying not to kick the can anymore? Is ultimate?
Speaker 7: With CD Lamb?
Speaker 6: I would do it because I look at him as
Speaker 6: a player that you can build around. You'll play at
Speaker 6: a high level for the next four or five years.
Speaker 6: So I would fine with doing that with CD Lamb.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who's the highest paid wide receiver right now?
Speaker 7: I think it's Tyreek Hill around thirty million a year.
Speaker 4: Jesus, that's a lot. It's a lot of cash.
Speaker 5: I said for our receiver that one.
Speaker 6: I mean, you say that, but the cap went up
Speaker 6: thirty million per team. Sure, So like, let's actly, that's
Speaker 6: an act like that's that Camp Boys a whole act
Speaker 6: like that cap is exactly what these teams make like
Speaker 6: they're not proffiting like four times that like absolutely the so.
Speaker 4: Okay restructuring CD.
Speaker 2: He's your third biggest cap pit you talked about Treyvon
Speaker 2: He's number five on the list at fifteen million.
Speaker 4: Uh, Terrence Steele's number seven on the list at eleven million.
Speaker 4: Even from that.
Speaker 2: Point forward, there's not really a whole lot you can
Speaker 2: do because everybody else is under ten million dollars of
Speaker 2: a cap pit in twenty twenty five or twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: But there's not a whole lot of restructuring you can
Speaker 2: do here. So is that kind of the issue that
Speaker 2: this team is run into.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's uh, it's the struggle why the front
Speaker 5: office hasn't been able to make the moves that they
Speaker 5: probably wanted to make. You know, those are report last
Speaker 5: week that they didn't even make a call to Dereck
Speaker 5: Henry and fans.
Speaker 4: Were like, how can you do that?
Speaker 5: Well, why you know, you know, why you're sitting there,
Speaker 5: You're sitting there in third grade, like you know you
Speaker 5: got the you don't got the nikes on, you got
Speaker 5: like the you got the you got the rebox on,
Speaker 5: you know, and the hottest girl in class, right, You're
Speaker 5: just gonna let her keep walking like it's like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm gonna come back to you in a
Speaker 5: couple of years when I got my nikes on, you know,
Speaker 5: my bag's.
Speaker 4: Up a little bit.
Speaker 7: I will say, though, that is the best.
Speaker 8: Metaphor I think we've ever had to tell you guys
Speaker 8: about the time I was in grade school and I
Speaker 8: went to a bathroom stall and Do walked up next
Speaker 8: to me.
Speaker 4: He had on Jordan's, so I'd start peeing on his
Speaker 4: Jordan's you did?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 7: Why would you do that?
Speaker 4: And why? Why was this? I was like in second grade.
Speaker 4: My mom told me.
Speaker 8: I don't remember it, but my mom told me said
Speaker 8: at the urinal and that was hate bro. We didn't
Speaker 8: have no Jordan's. That was beer hate right there. And
Speaker 8: you said jans Bro.
Speaker 4: There that.
Speaker 7: I didn't expect to.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't remember it. That would be
Speaker 4: immediate response. I would be done.
Speaker 6: If you're that now adult that happened to you and
Speaker 6: you're listening right now calling to the show.
Speaker 4: You're definitely that's definitely a fight.
Speaker 6: I will say though, the only the only issue I
Speaker 6: have with your with your analogy is that there are
Speaker 6: times where Sean camp Allen iverson Scheck to a certain
Speaker 6: level made Reebok kind of cool for a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rebox was probably bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, no, no, no, no, I.
Speaker 6: Think it's good because I feel that same way about
Speaker 6: the Cowboys, where I don't think these free agents look
Speaker 6: at the Cowboys as like maybe they do the Chiefs
Speaker 6: or a team that has played in the Super Bowl
Speaker 6: the last few years, but there's still the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6: If those are the Reboks, people still want to wear them.
Speaker 6: I'd at least make a call, make him turn you down,
Speaker 6: make him say like, hey, just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I understand that you want to say you wanted to
Speaker 4: be here.
Speaker 6: I saw I heard the interview, and I understand you
Speaker 6: don't want to insult him by giving him some low
Speaker 6: ball offer.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I would don't know what you
Speaker 4: don't know right exactly.
Speaker 5: I probably would have made a phone call.
Speaker 7: Yes, and I know you don't want to wear I
Speaker 7: know you don't want to wear those.
Speaker 8: It's like it's like when I went to the don't
Speaker 8: even laugh. When I went to the WWE tryouts and
Speaker 8: I went down there to go work out. Okay, it
Speaker 8: was really work out for me. I had no intentions
Speaker 8: on actually being.
Speaker 13: In a w W.
Speaker 4: It was just happened to this. By the way, I'm
Speaker 4: just waiting for the day.
Speaker 14: It was.
Speaker 4: I can't release that, you can't come. I can't release
Speaker 4: that information.
Speaker 8: But afterwards they made me an offer, but like they
Speaker 8: knew I wasn't going to accept the offer. Like they
Speaker 8: came up to me, They're like, hey, like, we know
Speaker 8: you're not going to take this, but like this is
Speaker 8: how much we can offer you and that makes it
Speaker 8: And I was like yeah, no, They're like, yeah, we
Speaker 8: knew that was going to be the answer, but we
Speaker 8: had to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because they don't know that that that hasn't been
Speaker 6: your your dream, your entire life to do that where
Speaker 6: you're just like, yeah, that offered us suck, but I'll
Speaker 6: take it right now because.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's an opportunity and I think that I can.
Speaker 7: I can make it in that world.
Speaker 5: One thing I'll do make it better.
Speaker 7: Of how different would your life be right now that
Speaker 7: would I'd be wearing.
Speaker 8: A lot of underwear you would be on this show
Speaker 8: would be what would your intro so on be? Can
Speaker 8: you tell us that it'd be something with some kind
Speaker 8: of dog, probably.
Speaker 7: So with your name somewhat dog related.
Speaker 4: I don't remember the name. That's what dog is? That
Speaker 4: is cap that is cap it was dog was there
Speaker 4: was something. It was something related to a dog.
Speaker 5: A lot of cap space and a lot of.
Speaker 4: Wish they had it.
Speaker 7: I just got done watching The Iron Cloths. I'm really
Speaker 7: really Texas.
Speaker 6: I didn't Yeah, I didn't know a ton about the
Speaker 6: von Erics until I moved down here, and so I
Speaker 6: was watching that movie.
Speaker 7: So when you said that, I'm like, I can see
Speaker 7: I can see you doing that.
Speaker 2: He also did the wipe out like no, all right,
Speaker 2: so this cap space, you know, like wipe out space.
Speaker 2: So the show on ABC he did, like the.
Speaker 7: The off brand version of that show, like you can
Speaker 7: you can you can sit there and be like, somewhat.
Speaker 4: I've got it somewhere.
Speaker 12: It is.
Speaker 4: So why do you guys believe you.
Speaker 6: Could be somewhat embarrassed or think it's cringey whatever, but
Speaker 6: at the same time, like, it's good that you did it,
Speaker 6: because you just never know what that kind of turned
Speaker 6: into who knows? If you know, there's just so many
Speaker 6: people that are so successful in the media world who
Speaker 6: knew that they would get to the level they were.
Speaker 4: I just found an interview for Isaiah the title and
Speaker 4: it's right here. You can look it up. Everybody at home,
Speaker 4: and Isaiah's stand back. Make the jump from the NFL
Speaker 4: to the w w E. This is from the w
Speaker 4: WE website. Should we take a look at this? I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean right out of time when you go through
Speaker 8: our second brank time, it's almost up here.
Speaker 4: I do, all right.
Speaker 5: There's something I've kind of thought about over the course
Speaker 5: of the last week. I think it's are you trying
Speaker 5: to make the jump to w w's Well, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 5: I think the the Cowboys from an outside perspective, I've
Speaker 5: always kind of had a built an advantage of the
Speaker 5: fact that playing for the Cowboys brings you status. It
Speaker 5: brings you a certain level of you know, fame, notoriety,
Speaker 5: things of the nature. We see it with Dak and
Speaker 5: all the endorsements that he's able to do, Tony Pollard
Speaker 5: being able to do endorsements, and you know, so on
Speaker 5: and so forth. Is there more flexibility there to pay
Speaker 5: a guy a certain amount knowing that that those opportunities
Speaker 5: would come with you. Is that a conversation with the
Speaker 5: agent or is it not anymore?
Speaker 4: Just with the way media, it really depends on the player. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it really depends on the say.
Speaker 5: For Ah, for Derrick Henry, I truly believe.
Speaker 4: I truly believe that Dereck Henry would have taken twenty
Speaker 4: percent less to stay here. That's my belief. And I
Speaker 4: don't know that. I don't have inside information on that.
Speaker 2: But hearing if he would have, it's one thing to
Speaker 2: afford twenty percent less of Derrick Henry's that point eight
Speaker 2: million dollar deal, but.
Speaker 7: Here in the immediately becomes one of the top five.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, But hearing his interview, like he wanted to be here,
Speaker 8: He truly wanted to be here, and he was. He
Speaker 8: wasnuinely disappointed that he didn't get the call because he
Speaker 8: just bought a new house.
Speaker 4: He lives here in the off season. He's I think
Speaker 4: his wife is pregnant.
Speaker 8: Like they have kids, Like he wanted to be here,
Speaker 8: Like he's like at this point in my career, like
Speaker 8: I really don't want to move again, but I'm really
Speaker 8: happy to be a Baltimore Raven. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. It was one of those deals where it's
Speaker 8: like he wanted to be here in Dallas. So you
Speaker 8: really don't know, to your point, if had they made
Speaker 8: the call, you don't know what.
Speaker 4: He would have went for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that when
Speaker 4: that one hurts a little bit. It really does.
Speaker 2: Before we do take our second segment. By the way,
Speaker 2: take the second break, Layton vander Esh No, I'm not going.
Speaker 4: To pull up WW the first sentence.
Speaker 2: Uh, Layton vander Esh retires from the NFL. Medically retires.
Speaker 2: He pinned to an emotional letter. You can read the
Speaker 2: whole thing on the Dallas Cowboys social media page. Uh
Speaker 2: just wanted to wish our best to Layton. We had
Speaker 2: talked about it initially about how the medical stuff at
Speaker 2: some point it is nothing to mess around. And I
Speaker 2: think this this was a decision that was a long
Speaker 2: time coming for late and I think some of the
Speaker 2: building knew about pretty quickly after he sustained the injury
Speaker 2: midway through the season.
Speaker 4: But he will be missed in that locker room. He
Speaker 4: was a presence.
Speaker 2: I remember talking to Damoon Clark the week after he
Speaker 2: was injured and seeing it. Really just hearing him talk
Speaker 2: about what Layton did to that linebacker room and the
Speaker 2: way he led that group of young individuals, and the
Speaker 2: way he was still involved even post injury, staying in
Speaker 2: there with x's and o's and film study and things
Speaker 2: like that. It really did show the impact that Layton
Speaker 2: Vandersh had on this team. Plus Michael Parsons put it
Speaker 2: out yesterday said, I don't think people realize how much
Speaker 2: y'all are going to miss Layton vander Esh. One of
Speaker 2: the hardest, most devoted, loving, authentic teammates you'll ever have.
Speaker 2: A Cowboys Nation should be grateful, and he represented the
Speaker 2: Star well. I'm going to miss his passion and drive
Speaker 2: on the field, thank you. And he had a couple
Speaker 2: of Wolf emojis in there as well. So I wanted
Speaker 2: to wish our best to Layton vander Esh as he
Speaker 2: goes into retirement, whatever's next for him, and hopefully he
Speaker 2: remains healthy as well.
Speaker 5: And really quick. It is really really rare for a
Speaker 5: player to come out of eight man football and be
Speaker 5: a first round pick. Yes, like that never happens. That never,
Speaker 5: especially in today's game. You see that in the seventies
Speaker 5: and eighties, maybe, but you don't see that anymore. Walk
Speaker 5: On at Boise State, played his played for his dream
Speaker 5: dream school, was on scholarship almost immediately, and became a
Speaker 5: first round pick, and it was a surefire first.
Speaker 2: Round in his dream organization or what he calls his
Speaker 2: dream organization. So really cool seeing him overcome the odds
Speaker 2: like that, and he played well when he was healthy.
Speaker 4: Just one of those things where it's tough to stay
Speaker 4: healthy in the NFL.
Speaker 6: It's wild that that linebacker position, man, because you're just
Speaker 6: kind of like, you thought for a little bit there
Speaker 6: that they had it locked up with him and Jalen Smith.
Speaker 6: You thought about it for a while there after they
Speaker 6: drafted Sean Lee and just for some reason, the Cowboys
Speaker 6: just have not been able to consistently hit at linebacker. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: it sucks because if he doesn't have that neck issue,
Speaker 6: I mean just seeing him as rookie year, the way
Speaker 6: he played, if he was able to keep that going,
Speaker 6: he could have been one of the better linebackers.
Speaker 4: In the league.
Speaker 6: But that neck thing, I mean, it was I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 6: but yeah, is known as an issue going into the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but yeah, that's it's a pretty rough way to end
Speaker 6: it because they certainly could have used him during the
Speaker 6: back half of this season.
Speaker 7: Who knows how things might have been different if he
Speaker 7: doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 2: He had some great moments too, he really did. He
Speaker 2: had some big time stops, He had the wolf howls,
Speaker 2: he had the opportunities to lead that defense, did a
Speaker 2: lot of things well. But like you said, having that
Speaker 2: that reoccurring neck issue, that's at some point you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta take a take a break from it. And
Speaker 2: that's exactly what vandersch did.
Speaker 5: Scored his first NFL touchdown his final NFL game or
Speaker 5: final full NFL game.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 5: That was That's a cool moment. That was a fun
Speaker 5: last how him been one Ya Thomas in the back
Speaker 5: of the end zone.
Speaker 4: So very cool, cool moment. Well, congrats for for Lighton
Speaker 4: vandersh on a great career and good luck in retirement.
Speaker 2: If he ever needs to hop on a podcast Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 2: we got you all right. When we come back here
Speaker 2: on Talking Cowboys, Let's talk about the arrivals.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Eric Kendricks a little bit more. I
Speaker 4: want to talk about Rico doubtell what he could possibly mean.
Speaker 2: For this team and the same thing for Jordan Lewis
Speaker 2: as he returns to the nickel cornerback spot.
Speaker 4: We've got more talking cowboys come in your way next.
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Speaker 4: my daughter had some soccer games and I passed Black
Speaker 4: Rifle Coffee Company. Yeah, and I got excited.
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Speaker 8: I was super excited. And I wore my Black Rifle
Speaker 8: shirt that we got. I wore it for the first
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Speaker 4: Did you I Did you work out in it?
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Speaker 5: Did you work out in it?
Speaker 13: No?
Speaker 7: I did not.
Speaker 4: I would not work out as Yeah. No, did you
Speaker 4: stop by Black Rifle Coffee? I did not make the
Speaker 4: stop because I was on the move. Only place, the
Speaker 4: only place I stopp when I'm on a road trip.
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Speaker 7: When you get there, what do you get?
Speaker 4: I get a chocolate milk, and I get not what
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Speaker 8: I get a chocolate milk, and I get an apple pie,
Speaker 8: and I get the roasted pecans.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I get the roasted pecans every time.
Speaker 6: Every time he started with the chocolate milk, I was
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Speaker 8: Gym My son, my son always gets either cookie dough
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Speaker 8: daughter gets the diet doctor pepper because it doesn't affect
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Speaker 7: Sugar and everything. Everything about that makes me think that
Speaker 7: from that point forward, that car ride is just lit.
Speaker 4: Everybody to forget the forty five minutes to charge your car.
Speaker 4: By the way, No I did not. I hadn't driven
Speaker 4: electric on the road trip. Okay, not to get a
Speaker 4: truck on that one. No waiting on it still, okay,
Speaker 4: drive an hour to charge forty five minutes half time
Speaker 4: with that. Hey, listen, it's no they got the new
Speaker 4: power chargers, the power threes. Those are good good threes.
Speaker 4: Talking tesla here, No, actually for like for.
Speaker 8: They can charge on there now and and all the
Speaker 8: other card manufacturers can charge on there now.
Speaker 4: I'm going to a Ford dealership this week. By the way,
Speaker 4: are you not for minivan? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Still looking for either a minivan or a large suv
Speaker 2: for all these triplets around there.
Speaker 4: If that that old school Ford Flex is still a
Speaker 4: really good vehicle, there you go.
Speaker 8: That's serious. I almost popped about that thing for my
Speaker 8: mom when I first got in the league. I'm bout
Speaker 8: my mama vehicle, and I think it was my.
Speaker 4: Second year in the league. Can't it fit a stroller? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Size the Ford Flex. The Ford Flex has to. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you you should see the size of the stroll.
Speaker 4: It's the length of this table at least like top
Speaker 4: top to bottom, like end to end. It's straight line. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're three row, so it's three in a row.
Speaker 2: Bang bang bang, And there's car seats like it clicks
Speaker 2: in and then you pop it out and it goes
Speaker 2: into your car seat base that you put.
Speaker 8: In your He's a freaking accordion he has to put
Speaker 8: in this car, you know, seriously, Like, look up, I
Speaker 8: know you probably want to get a newer vehicle, but
Speaker 8: look up.
Speaker 4: Some of those those those fourth lexes. Those things are awesome.
Speaker 4: They're low. So your wife, you know, she's not the tallest.
Speaker 4: But if anybody's got the car connection, let us know,
Speaker 4: I do have a car plok, you know I need that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, all right.
Speaker 2: Uh. The guys who have come, we're talking departures and
Speaker 2: arrivals on talking cowboys like we're DFW. We Uh, we've
Speaker 2: got three real I mean one arrival, one stay or
Speaker 2: two stays. Jordan Lewis, Rico daddle Back. We'll start with
Speaker 2: those two guys. Nick, what is the biggest impact of
Speaker 2: having both of those guys back in the fold?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jordan Lewis. I think going into the offseason, it
Speaker 5: was an expectation that either Jordan Lewis or Stefan Gilmour
Speaker 5: would would be retained. It's fun Gilmore still has not
Speaker 5: found found a landing spot. There still could be a
Speaker 5: fit for him on this team, but just go ahead
Speaker 5: and solidify that nickel position. And as it stands right now,
Speaker 5: treyvon Diggs and Deron Blant on the outside. That just
Speaker 5: gives you a lot more stability at that cornerback position.
Speaker 5: Granted you're one injury away from being in kind of
Speaker 5: a tough position, so you might need to spend a
Speaker 5: Day three draft pick on that position to be able
Speaker 5: to acquire, you know, at least some reliable depth there.
Speaker 5: You do have Naseean Wright, which at training camp at
Speaker 5: times last year he looked good, but you know, at
Speaker 5: other times maybe he was a little bit more shaky.
Speaker 5: And then Rico Dada, as I mentioned earlier in the show,
Speaker 5: leading returning Rushiero at three hundred and sixty one yards
Speaker 5: last year, and that just provides again a little bit
Speaker 5: more stability. Can't he stay healthy. I know towards the
Speaker 5: back end of the season he was dealing with an
Speaker 5: ankle issue. I believe he didn't miss a game, but
Speaker 5: it was a couple of games where it was really
Speaker 5: a game time decision. So he's got to be able
Speaker 5: to continue that health that he was able to build
Speaker 5: upon last year. And I think bringing in a rookie
Speaker 5: with him that can take over the lead the lead
Speaker 5: role capabilities, I think that'd be big.
Speaker 4: For that room.
Speaker 5: But also don't discount Douce Vaughan and Hunter Loppe to
Speaker 5: that room as well. Malik Davis too. I think that's
Speaker 5: going to be a very interesting position group to follow
Speaker 5: during Auxnard.
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 6: Yeah, getting Daubdell back for another year is good, especially
Speaker 6: coming off the year where he was able to stay
Speaker 6: relatively healthy, and so I think that's that's a big
Speaker 6: move there, just because running back has just looked like
Speaker 6: it was going to be this glaring weakness and they
Speaker 6: still need to do more there. I'm not saying that
Speaker 6: they don't, but that just one spot that I really
Speaker 6: think that they needed to do something.
Speaker 7: So that was good. But next up, obviously I've put
Speaker 7: right after that.
Speaker 6: So what we talked about earlier, having to get Hankins
Speaker 6: in there for the exact same reasons. Yeah, Jordan Lewis
Speaker 6: at cornerback I think is important because the way that
Speaker 6: they're spending right now makes you think that Stefan Gilmour
Speaker 6: isn't a real possibility because I don't think he's going
Speaker 6: to just play for a one year like three million
Speaker 6: dollar deal or something like that. So you need Nayshon
Speaker 6: Wright or Eric Scott or somebody else to step up
Speaker 6: there Israel Mukuamu if they think that they can use
Speaker 6: him more at corner or you're gonna have to draft
Speaker 6: another guy. So it was good to get Jordan Lewis
Speaker 6: there because at least if you were able, if you
Speaker 6: had to play a game. Right now, you have three
Speaker 6: starting caliber corners. But they still need to do more
Speaker 6: at that spot because you just you need a lot
Speaker 6: of defensive backs. That's just there's going to got be
Speaker 6: guys that get injured and it's a position that you
Speaker 6: need good depth in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I'm very curious to see what they do with one
Speaker 5: day Thomas, especially in Zimmer's scheme. You know, is he
Speaker 5: used as a third safety or is he used kind
Speaker 5: of as a roving defensive back that can play at
Speaker 5: the nickel or he can play on the boundary in
Speaker 5: certain instances or play at safety. I think he's a
Speaker 5: very versatile guy that you can kind of throw around
Speaker 5: in that secondary, and you.
Speaker 7: Guys go with safety with what they have, or do
Speaker 7: you think they.
Speaker 4: Need to think so?
Speaker 5: I think so Marky's bell, I mean he's going to
Speaker 5: you assume he moves back after the year he had
Speaker 5: last year. One Yet Thomas after the year he had
Speaker 5: last year. I'm okay. If they do not spend a
Speaker 5: draft pick on safety, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: That might be the one position where that maybe quarterback
Speaker 2: just because you have Trey Lance back there too. But
Speaker 2: those are the two positions that I feel confident that
Speaker 2: you're you're set in tying into. Yeah, tight end, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel good with the top two guys. After that,
Speaker 2: we can have a conversation.
Speaker 5: What are you guys looking for it? Wide receiver, a
Speaker 5: big body outside guy. I feel like this team has
Speaker 5: needed that for three years. They need a procession red
Speaker 5: zone guy. You saw it kind of hurt them in
Speaker 5: the beginning of the season last.
Speaker 4: Year they had wims.
Speaker 5: They had to work some things to be able to
Speaker 5: to make some action happen down there in the red zone.
Speaker 5: And eventually you got to give it to CD Lamb,
Speaker 5: Brandon Cooks and Mike McCarthy as well being able to
Speaker 5: scheme those guys open in those short, short range instances.
Speaker 5: But I think you need a big buddy guy you
Speaker 5: can just throw it up to, like if you have
Speaker 5: a big body guy there at twenty four. Granted, I
Speaker 5: think offensive line is a safe pick. I think that's
Speaker 5: what you need to do. But don't be don't be surprised.
Speaker 5: Don't be surprised.
Speaker 4: Be surprised out the cake with tassels are okay if
Speaker 4: they have.
Speaker 8: Tassels, and if they do that at twenty four, I
Speaker 8: will lose my entire everything.
Speaker 4: Don't look that up and I do not you were
Speaker 4: to have them freaking.
Speaker 8: Tassels, don't. Yeah, listen to that idea. I am okay
Speaker 8: with the safety position, I'm not. I like the fact
Speaker 8: that they signed Jay Lou and Rico. Those are huge. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I think you need a Rico. I think Rico is
Speaker 8: a very viable number two running back. You still need
Speaker 8: one number one where you gonna get that at I
Speaker 8: have no idea. There's not many running backs available that
Speaker 8: are in a free agents market. At the beginning of
Speaker 8: free agency.
Speaker 4: There was a ton. Now there's none. So not sure
Speaker 4: what you do there, assuming you're gonna draft somebody, but
Speaker 4: you really.
Speaker 8: Have to start looking at all the voice that you
Speaker 8: have and say, Okay, if we had a pecking order
Speaker 8: of the top three picks this year, which is what
Speaker 8: end of the first, second third, I'm assuming twenty four
Speaker 8: or fifty six, eighty seven, there you go, Okay, what
Speaker 8: positions do you address?
Speaker 5: Tackle? The center, running back, That's where I would be too.
Speaker 5: Defensive tackles a thought as well, though, Like if there's
Speaker 5: a defensive tackle there in the second or third round
Speaker 5: that you feel really good about, I would take a
Speaker 5: defensive tackle over a center or running back.
Speaker 4: I think center.
Speaker 5: I think there's a little bit more flexibility there because
Speaker 5: of brockhoff and and CJ.
Speaker 4: Bass.
Speaker 7: How you guys feel about defensive end.
Speaker 5: I think there needs to be a body added to
Speaker 5: that room for sure.
Speaker 4: There's Dante and Durrance too. Yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 5: There's a kind of a thought being thrown around on
Speaker 5: Cowboys Twitter that if La Tou, the edge rusher from
Speaker 5: UCLA is there at twenty four, you can't pass him up.
Speaker 5: Would he be scary next to Michael Parsons? Absolutely, But oh,
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's that big of a need,
Speaker 5: I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 7: You got to counter that with let's go or ball
Speaker 7: being or exactly that's.
Speaker 5: That's what you're giving up. So yeah, training camp would
Speaker 5: be a bludget edge.
Speaker 7: Actually, I do think they can find a center in
Speaker 7: like the third or fifth round.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cedric Van Pern Granger, I think is
Speaker 5: an awesome third third round option out of Georgia. So
Speaker 5: you know, there's there's guys there.
Speaker 4: I think there's guys there.
Speaker 8: But again, the conversation to me that just keeps popping
Speaker 8: up in my head is in that draft room, at
Speaker 8: what point does Mike Zimer get up to and beat
Speaker 8: on the table.
Speaker 4: M hm?
Speaker 5: Does does he have does he have the flexibility to
Speaker 5: do that?
Speaker 8: You know, I hear you, but I it's hard for
Speaker 8: me to to believe that he came on the staff saying,
Speaker 8: you know what, what do we have on the roster?
Speaker 8: I can work with that, I can turn it into
Speaker 8: a top defense. I don't see that being the case.
Speaker 8: I really don't see that being the case. So that's
Speaker 8: my concern with the That's why I said that what
Speaker 8: dan Quinn did by plucking Tyler Beds was huge. You
Speaker 8: know it was Tyler BEONDI the greatest office in Linement.
Speaker 8: He was he was he was very viable, he was
Speaker 8: a viable guy, he was reliable, wasn't dominant.
Speaker 6: I think they believe they can find his replacement in
Speaker 6: this draft, and I don't mean taken in the first round.
Speaker 6: I think they believe that they can find his replacement
Speaker 6: in the third round.
Speaker 4: So you're going offensive lineman with two of your first
Speaker 4: three picks. Yes, yeah, that's kind of okay. So when again,
Speaker 4: So when does Zimmer beat on the table because he
Speaker 4: has voice to for his stuff? He did that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but for again, go back, this is homework for everybody.
Speaker 8: Go back and look at the size of the players
Speaker 8: that he has always had on his defenses.
Speaker 4: Just go look at its size.
Speaker 6: I can see a revolving door of random guys coming
Speaker 6: in and out of training camp through whatever, it's trades, cuts,
Speaker 6: whatever like that, veteran players that are cheap at those positions.
Speaker 7: That you're going to be like, yeah, this really is
Speaker 7: an answer or whatever. I don't see that. At offensive tackle,
Speaker 7: I don't see that.
Speaker 8: I am in total agreeance with you, but I'm saying, Zimmer,
Speaker 8: you're pretty much tilling Zimmer.
Speaker 4: Hey, you play with leftovers.
Speaker 6: I think that the head coach is the offensive coordinator
Speaker 6: and he's not going to want to roll out there.
Speaker 7: I hear you with a starting offensive line, But.
Speaker 4: Just think about those conversations. If I'm coming on staff,
Speaker 4: what do I.
Speaker 2: Have if you're taking an offensive lineman in two of
Speaker 2: your first three picks. That third pick is most likely
Speaker 2: going to go to defense regardless, it's going to go
Speaker 2: to defense, and it's go wherever Zimmer Is gonna want
Speaker 2: it to go. And that's either going to be at
Speaker 2: the linebacker spot or it's going to be at the
Speaker 2: defensive tackle.
Speaker 4: So where's your running back? That's that's the conversation. That's
Speaker 4: where you got to Maybe maybe that's roster rushing.
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe maybe running back is somebody that, like I
Speaker 6: just said, they run guys in and out of training
Speaker 6: camp that are veterans on like one year deals, Dalvin
Speaker 6: Cook types something like that, where you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's not really whatever, but we're gonna run with that.
Speaker 7: I mean, they're not gonna I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 7: they're not gonna fill every one of these holes with
Speaker 7: somebody that is going to satisfy you.
Speaker 4: You know, they're just not.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to know you're gonna have to piece
Speaker 6: this thing together with some paper mache.
Speaker 10: Here.
Speaker 5: And now you saw what the market looked like for
Speaker 5: c C last year. And it's not to say he
Speaker 5: had a great year in New England last year. He'll
Speaker 5: probably be sitting there on August first or whatever whenever
Speaker 5: they're sitting down there in Oxnard, like, you know what,
Speaker 5: we could use another running back in this room.
Speaker 7: So and if you had to piece it a position together,
Speaker 7: I feel like that's the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the number fifteen open right now, tru Lass
Speaker 2: at that point right, he's gonna whip that thing and
Speaker 2: make it happen. All right, that doesn't for us here
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