WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 061221 Ramses Ja & Q Ward 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.040 That's right, y'all. Welcome to another edition of Civic Cipher. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.800 I'my host Ramsay's joh. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:07.600 Called me q Ward and that just so happens to 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.840 d my name. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.640 And today's show is a very special show, and I'll 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:14.600 say that quite a bit. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:20.320 But you fortunately this week, our text thread. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.720 That we have between you and me and our producer 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.720 DJ Swirl plentiful stuff to talk about, and so we've 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.480 kind of wheeled it down for you, our listener. Today, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.400 we're gonna spend a little bit of time talking about 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:39.519 an incident in the Washington State where a man was 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.960 attacked by a police dog for a very long time. 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.080 It's just another kind of weird way that you know 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.000 police brutality exists and is perpetuated. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:49.519 You can't wait to talk about that. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.400 Also, we're going to talk about fighting back against voter suppression, 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.360 So stay tuned. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.000 For that, super all allies of. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.040 Black people and of you democracy, stay tuned for that 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.600 because there's some mans start seeing information you might want. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.080 And we're gonna spend some time talking about a sheriff's 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.080 department that is tracking kids they think ultimately will become criminals, 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.000 which feels a little weird. I can't wait to get 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:15.280 into that. 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.280 How do they? It's weird, right? 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.000 And then of course DJ Swirl is gonna let us 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:29.559 know about once upon a time when you know, folks 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.000 used to do some really horrible things to black people 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:38.000 and sell their body parts. But before we get there, 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.240 let's start off where we like to start off with 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.560 some ebony excellence, so cute. All I do is win, win, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:45.399 no matter what. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:46.880 You got something for today? 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:47.120 Right? 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.160 Yes? And I want to read this to make sure 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:55.280 I quote this young man's position properly. Brother Carl Sanderfer 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:01.080 of five Beta Sigma Fraternity incorporated from the Elite Epsilon 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:06.000 five chapter at Owling Green State University, helps power NASA's 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:11.680 Mars Perseverance Rover mission. Owling Green State University alumnus is 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.000 the Deputy Chief of the Space Science Project Office at 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:21.160 NASA Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio. I was fortunate 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:26.520 enough to be a classmate and fraternity brother of Brother 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:31.560 Sandifer in college. And it's interesting watching all the things 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.560 that he's done. But none of us can pretend to 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.040 be surprised because Carl had already started his work at 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.280 NASA before we ever met him. At Bowling Green State University. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.120 Just to give you an idea of the level of 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.520 excellence this young man has achieved all of his life. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.960 So definitely want to bring some attention to that if 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.480 you get a chance. Ramses always reminds everybody that Google 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.680 is free. If you want to read a story that's 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.280 going to make your day and make you feel better, 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:03.560 just google Carl and type Mars or type NASA and 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.480 you will read a really really cool story about a 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.000 wonderful young man and human being and someone that I'm 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.440 honored to call a friend. So go mob Carl. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.400 You know there's people like me who are big fans 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:18.000 of like Star Trek and you know, sci fi stuff, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.480 and it takes folks like that who are pioneering new 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:27.520 trails maintaining pathways for folks like me, a young me, 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:29.919 to find themselves in those positions. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:34.000 So yeah, however, I hear somebody sarcastically, jab it's not 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:39.640 rocket science. I always think about Carl. Carl's literally an 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.080 aeronautics engineer and rocket scientist. That's awesome. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.040 Well shout out to Karl one time. You know, I 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.280 really like doing the Ebony excellence. It starts us off 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.920 on a positive and a great way to start the show. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.920 but you know, we do have to transition here into 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:57.840 some real stuff. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.640 You know, that's what we're here to talk about. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.600 So I'm not sure if you, if either of you 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.760 have heard of this story, but you know, I read 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.400 a story. So I read the Atlanta Black Star. You know, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.480 it's a newspaper or really more an online publication, but 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.719 it's a place kind of like Civic Sipher where you know, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.640 we catch black stories that really don't exist out in 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:27.760 mainstream media and we you know, bring attention to them. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.359 And this story happened to have a video. You know, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.920 videos are for me and u Q. They're kind of 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.240 we have a system in place. You want to tell 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:40.360 them about our system. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:44.160 So in order to keep each other afloat, so that 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.799 neither one of us gets pushed too far down into 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.640 a dark place and don't have you know, don't end 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:59.240 up with PTSD from you know, digesting constant trauma. We alternate. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.000 You know, who's going to watch the videos this week? 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.200 Or you know sometimes you know, I've watched enough of 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:11.120 these broken you give this a gander because I can't 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.960 take it anymore. So to try to hold each other 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.800 up we take turns, you know, watching these videos and 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.680 consuming this, like I said, trauma, so that we can 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.719 speak to it, you know, for our listeners and our audience. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.359 And I think that's important. I like the system that 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:33.520 we've developed here, but also for folks going about their 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.919 their day, their normal lives. You know, we recognize that 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.280 a lot of this, you know, I call it trauma 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.160 porn makes its way to your phone, you know, if 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:48.600 you have an iPhone or any other type of phone. 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:54.320 You know, it just pops up, you know, black man, assaulted, brutalized, beaten. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.479 And this has been true my whole life. You know, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.120 one notable incident and when I was ten years old, 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:06.560 Rodney King beating in ninety two. But the one thing 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.920 that we don't want to grow accustomed to is seeing 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:18.160 black bodies brutalized because there's the potential, I guess two 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:21.880 for it to become normal, you know, and we always 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.719 want to be in shock of that. And so while 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.919 being present and making sure that we're on top of 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.080 things like that, we also have to maintain a little 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.640 bit of distance because it is emotionally training. As I'm 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:38.520 sure you our listener is aware of. Part of the 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.480 reason why you're listening to the show now. I'm sure, sir, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.760 so in this incident and this is why, you know, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.520 Que and Swirl are not as familiar with this story 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:47.039 as I am. 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:48.919 It was my turn to. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.440 Familiar with the story. But I didn't watch the videos. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.719 To watch the video, so it was my turn to 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.560 you know, check this out. I had to draw the 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:05.520 shorts and so basically what happens in this video is 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.159 it's a police chase. You know, we'll call it what 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:13.320 it is. Police are in pursuit of a car. It 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:18.680 seems like it's a two lane highway nighttime. Doesn't seem 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.080 like super high speed, but certainly not speed limit. You know, 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.920 it looked like whoever was getting away was trying to 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.400 get to somewhere specific. That's just what it looked like 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:30.960 to me, because you know, you see high speed chases 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:32.640 where they drive all erratic. You know, this guy was 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.160 on his you know, on the road. He's like, look, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.440 I just need to get here and then I'll be good. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.280 But I don't know, so don't let me say something 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:43.000 that I'm not sure of. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:43.120 It. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.040 It was a chase. The police were in pursuit of 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:50.600 a vehicle. The vehicle was abating and before I get 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:55.560 to the rest of the story, if you're afraid of something, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.120 your body automatically responds in one of two ways. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.480 You either fight or you flee, so. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.880 Evading the police when we know that the police often 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.880 are very brutal in their interactions with black bodies, as 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.840 we've seen time and again decade in and decade out. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:17.520 Too many times. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.440 Yeah, it's not the worst thing in the world, but 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.560 you know, some folks really have this idea that hey, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.320 if you just pull over, everything will be all right, 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.360 and we've seen hundreds of times if that's not true 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:27.720 at all. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:32.480 They've they've found a way to criminalize everything, every every reaction. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.000 Everything, even an unnatural reactions. Your head can spend in 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.880 a circle. Bang, sure, if your. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.720 Head spends in a circle, though, then I might justify it. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:47.000 But be afraid, right, But they've criminalized every natural reaction 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.280 of a person that's afraid. That's what I was going 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.240 to get to. But go ahead, no, please, I mean 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.720 I'm just kind of piggybacking. Yes, so I'm afraid of you, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:56.560 I'm gonna run from you or. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.200 Trolled to until until you can be a penguin. It's 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:07.400 built into you if you have anyway. So finally the 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.160 car pulls over, kind of drives off on the side 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.520 of the road, pulls over. The guy gets out of 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.560 the car, and if memory serves me correct, his hands 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:22.400 are up and you know, he's like surrendering. I don't 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.240 know if he was on his knees as he was standing, 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.400 his hands were up, something like that, but the action 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.559 that followed was immediate surrender. He was An option of 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:34.079 the video states that the person was very obviously surrendering. Yeah, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.319 so you see him, you see him doing the video. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.679 I just don't remember what his mannerisms look like in 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.440 that point. But no one would look at him and say, oh, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:42.920 this person was being aggressive or there was a thread here. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.600 And you know, the police, this officer that was chasing them. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.320 There was two officers, but the officer that had the 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.320 dash cam has a dog with him, right, So the 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:54.959 dog gets out and goes right to work. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:56.360 Right now. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.840 Hard to blame a dog because dogs do what they're 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:00.520 trained to do. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.600 These dogs are trained specifically to do exactly what the 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:03.960 dog did. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:05.880 Sure, so I'm not coming down on the dog. All 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.200 your animal lovers, which I'm not not the biggest dog person. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.880 I got bit by a dog when I was little. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.840 So let me chime in because I'm not an animal lover. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.559 Sounds bad, except when you've been bit by a dog. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:22.600 There is a built in response to that. Yeah, he's 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.160 not an animal hater. No, no, never. You know, like 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.920 if somebody said I'm not a I'm not a black 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.680 people lover, it would come across the way. So I 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.560 just heard him say that. I had to chime in 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.520 to make sure people don't think he's not anti animal. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.000 There's just not dogs at rams Is house. No, no, 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.120 no's just be clear. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:46.600 On that he had a bad experience, shot almost death. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.880 So yeah, but you know this is the person watching 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.840 the video, the person who you know. I was bit 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.079 when I was three years old by a dog that 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.199 I was friendly with. I hadn't hurt the dog. I 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.720 would never hurt the dog. I'm the sort of person. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.559 Or if there's a fly in my house, if I 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.560 can catch him in my hands or her in my hands, 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.440 I'll take him or her outside and release them. I 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:14.160 don't If some living creature is on its journey and 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.160 there's no reason for me to take a life, I 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:16.680 won't do it. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:17.960 I know, no matter how small. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.360 So I have a tremendous amount of respect for obviously 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.880 for dogs, it's an extremely complex creature. And from what 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.600 I understand, as long as you love your babies, you're good. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.120 In my book. Man, I'm not going to bring any 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.760 harm to you. And I've seen dogs care for their young. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:33.880 That's my bar. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:39.280 Anyway, as someone who does not a big fan of dogs, 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:40.920 I see the dog go to work and I'm like, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.319 oh my god. Immediately it's like, oh jeez, and I'm 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:54.160 stuck watching this video this time thanks Wirl And yeah, man, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:12:00.760 the dog proceeds to bite the man. He's surrendering. He's 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.840 not running, he can't run, he's already pulled his car over. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:08.160 They're hanging out. Dog bites him. He goes immediately to 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:13.280 the ground, gets on the ground. Dog keeps biting him him. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:14.920 And you know the dogs that bite, and they do 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.480 that and they try to drag you. So imagine those 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.600 teeth sinking into your flesh and then the dog pulling 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.959 and like ripping that skin away from the bone and 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.679 the flesh away from the bone. So the way the 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:34.400 police car was pointed at the scene, he was like 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.360 in full view, so you could see the dog doing this, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.320 and the dog's biting his head. The dog's biting like 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.200 his arms and legs. Obviously, you know, there was a 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.360 point where it bit is genitals. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.480 The man has already been apprehended at this Ya's by the. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.600 Way, And the whole time you hear him screaming. He says, 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.319 you know, please, sir, please, screaming, I'm not in the 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:00.600 officer of course. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.600 Stop moving, stop moving, mother effort. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.520 You know, and he's like, sir, I'm not moving, you know. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.080 Obviously he's wailing, I'm not moving, you know, And the 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.720 dog just continues biting. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.760 The way my body responds to being bitten over and 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.440 over again by your dog that you won't call off 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.920 while telling me to not move as it bites and 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.640 make it literally forces me to move. Sure, I want 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.880 to get to even if I'm not involuntarily moving myself. 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.679 The dog's moving me, yes, sir, exactly. And so. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:39.440 This goes on for almost four minutes, the dog just 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:45.319 attacking and biting, barking, biting, biting, barking, biting, managers laying 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.920 there getting bitten, and the police officer is yelling, and 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.400 no point does the officer go to like place him 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.840 in handcuffs. At no point does the officer do anything 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.320 to you know, he just let the dog continue to 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:03.800 attack him, right, and the officer was waiting for another 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:09.560 police car to show up to then call the dog 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.960 off and put him in handcuffs. Let me guess because 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:19.000 the officer was afraid. Sure, Okay, that'll be what he's said. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.360 So let me say this. The man's name who was 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:28.600 attacked is Robert Gillian again of Washington State. He had 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:35.800 a broken hip as a result of that. He's suing officer. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:37.320 You know, I don't even want to say this guy's 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.320 namely cross this outing. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.920 Officer or the police department instead of the individual. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.080 There's a lawsuit, so he might be suing all those folks. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.800 I didn't get into that details. But the officer is 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.280 on unpaid suspension and he's suing for a million dollars. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.720 The officer unpaid suspension. Ye, that's a big deal. It's 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.960 a big deal, right, And here's a direct quote from him. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.280 He says, I could not move, I was unarmed. I 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:05.200 did not threaten the officers. I have permanent scars on 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.280 my head to my legs. I thought the dog was 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.280 going to kill me. Okay, now I want to talk 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:16.120 about what happens when they say don't move, when they 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.000 say stop resisting, because I think this is what often 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.920 gets chronicled and in the minds of folks who say, 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:26.880 you know, there's a lot of folks who don't interact 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:32.640 with the police, right, and they imagine in their minds, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.600 if I were to interact with the police, I would 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:36.440 just do what they say. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:37.200 It's that simple. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.520 And you and I are both people who have interacted 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.000 with the police. Were doing what they say is not 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:48.840 a guarantee of anything. You know, again, if someone from Compton, California. 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.320 The only time in my life when I've ever had 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.000 a gun pointed at me was from the police, and 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.360 I have never been arrested. I've never done anything wrong. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.440 And not only just doing what they say, but with 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:08.920 an excessive amount of respect and humility. And how do 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.960 you remember our interaction, which we've chronicled on the on 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:18.000 the show multiple times, we were we were excessively to 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.840 a point of exaggeration, respectful and and and and reverent 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:28.000 and humble, you know what I mean? Yes, sir, please, no, sir, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.800 thank you. Like every manner you can be taught. 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:39.440 As someone's actively uh, denying you your dignity, insulting you. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:44.920 You know, ours perhaps wasn't as overt and loud, but 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.320 you know, when someone assumes it wasn't less scary though, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.120 But when someone assumes anything about you, when their assumption 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.520 is already you know that the law is supposed to 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.880 be your innocent until proven guilty. There had to be police. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.120 It assumes that you're guilty until they figure out that 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.640 they can't prove any shred of it. Because they can 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:10.080 even prove something that was somehow distantly related. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.679 Oh got you see, I knew it. And in some cases, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.360 even when they can't make it, they'll pretend that they 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.879 can't they and create it like the dog smelling some 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:20.560 hint of Yeah. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.840 I won't talk about it. That's our story anyway. So 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.560 there's another thing that I really wanted to talk about here, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:39.600 and it's that we all have a nervous system, right. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.280 You know this forgive me, this is a bit morbid, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:54.680 but your nervous system is the makeup of everything in 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.640 your in your body so much so to where it 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.600 can eat cause you I remember a pastor told me 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:07.800 this that when a person's life has left their body, 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.119 sometimes though you know, as it's custom and many cultures 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.280 around the world they'll burn the body. We still do 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.280 that here. It's called cremation. And if a person has 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.199 been dead, even for some time, when you burn the body, 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.200 the body will shake and convulse and it's a response 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.520 to the nervous system. Have you seen those weird morbid 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.679 videos where it'll be like frog legs and stuff, and 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.160 they'll squeeze lemon on the frog legs and they'll start moving. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.719 They're like severed. You know, that's the nervous system. So 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.280 obviously a frog is not moving its legs because the 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.600 frog is no longer connected to its legs. Obviously, a 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.720 body with where the life has left it is not 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:48.719 jumping and moving. It's a response to It's the nervous 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.800 system's response to that stimulation. And again, forgive me for 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:59.080 being morbid, but I needed to establish that because it's 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:05.240 like everyone forgets that even if you make a conscious decision, 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.400 even if you know full well, okay, this is going 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.320 to hurt These people are going to come and they're 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.080 going to hurt me. I'm going to take this and 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.920 I'm not going to move because I don't want them 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.520 to be afraid. Because getting hurt is something I can 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.560 live with. Getting killed, obviously, is something I can't live with, right, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:24.680 pain over death. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.080 Right, So even if you. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.640 Make that decision, it's a firm commitment on your end, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.280 and you decide I'm not going to move a muscle. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.560 Your muscles might say otherwise. 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:42.080 Especially if you're being bitten and tug that and your 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:46.840 flesh is being torn into my teeth of anything that 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:53.080 even have to be a police trained K nine. Now 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.040 for me, there was. 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:04.120 A flat back again, having been bitten by a dog 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.960 named Josh when I was three years old. Wait, oh man, listen, wait, 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.359 you make memories with emotion. Listen you guys, so I 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.800 can remember that because I was emotional. All just learned 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:19.160 together that the dog. Now I've heard the dog bite 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:24.240 Rams's story a dozen times and I'm not exaggerating, but 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:24.920 you and. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:31.040 I, at today years old, at right now o'clock, just 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.680 both learn that the dog's name was. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:37.720 What Josh belong to Melody. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:43.040 Give me for laughing, because it's not funny that Josh 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.480 bit Ramses. But man, we all just learned that this 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.119 dog's name was Josh. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:50.720 Well, you know what, just to kind of bring you 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:57.600 to where I'm at briefly. Melody was a friend of 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:03.879 my father's friend is putting it mildly. So we went 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.719 to Melody's house all the time. My father and Melody 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.040 would hang out. I was a child, was three, so 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.560 I would hang out in the living room watch cartoons. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:14.359 Melody had a dog, Josh. I would sit and pet 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.480 Josh from time to time. I wasn't a wild kid. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.399 I wasn't petting him hard anything like that. One day, 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.159 I'm sitting in front the fireplace petting Josh, and he 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.399 just and I have a little baby arm, you know, 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.280 three years old, just turns it er bit my arm 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:31.520 and they let go, and I saw these deep purple 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.480 sockets in my arm from his teeth having sunk into 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.760 my supple childlike flesh. And then, of course I cried. 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.359 My dad responded, my father did love his son. He 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.080 proved it that day. Josh was not a happy camper. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.159 After my father got hold of him. Dad took me, 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:49.560 got me wrapped up. But after that I was not 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.000 able to trust dogs, and I felt like they were 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.000 all going to attack me. This is the person that 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.639 I am now, I can't shake that fear just is 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.760 there right not fear because I'm not afraid of dogs, 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:02.600 but I don't. I prefer I can't predict them, you know. 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.000 But for a long time I was afraid. Now I 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.080 don't think fear is a bad word in that instance, 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.760 but I know what fear looks like, and I know 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.520 what I just don't really rock what you looks like, 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.040 and it's definitely out on rock. Once I got a 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.159 man body and my dogs are a lot smaller than me, 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.639 it wasn't fear as much of us. I just you know, 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:20.040 you keep your dog over there. I'll be go over 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.919 here and will be fine. Anyway. With that said, watched 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:27.560 the movie called Django Unchained. There's a part in this 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:37.000 movie where Leonardo DiCaprio's character has one of his runaway slaves. 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.639 He was a Mandingo fighter, so he had bought slaves 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.840 so that they could fight to the death. One slave 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:47.679 tried to escape. DiCaprio's character, I forget his name, didn't 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.640 like that so much. It says, you know the guys 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.240 that were hunting them down. He says, why don't you 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.200 let the dogs rip them apart? Let the dogs send 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.679 them to heaven. And then all the guys they're like 0:22:56.720 --> 0:23:00.199 these slack jawed, he'll billy sorts. They let their dogs go. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:06.160 And this man, this slave who's running away, poor guy, 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.480 he did the dog's rived inmpartant. So that's very much 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:14.280 what this video look like. And you know, my heart 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:18.800