WEBVTT - The Very Dust, Part 5

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, the production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Robert Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am Joe McCormick, and we're back with the

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<v Speaker 3>fifth and final part in our series on dust. This

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<v Speaker 3>has really been an epic saga, taking it to five

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<v Speaker 3>full parts in the series. We usually say that if

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<v Speaker 3>you you know, if you haven't heard the previous parts

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<v Speaker 3>in the series, you should go back and listen to

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<v Speaker 3>those first so you get the flow. But honestly, I

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<v Speaker 3>think this series is a little bit less narrative in

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<v Speaker 3>format than some of the other ones we've done, So

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<v Speaker 3>if you start with this one, I don't think it

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<v Speaker 3>makes a huge difference.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, don't get too cocky, don't do them in

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<v Speaker 2>exact reverse order. I think that would be a little strange.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, maybe you don't have to be as

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<v Speaker 2>careful about it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but a very brief review. In part one, we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about how to define dust. We talked about pyroglyphic

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<v Speaker 3>dust mites which live in our homes and our furniture

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<v Speaker 3>and eating our sleft off skin flakes delicious. We talked

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<v Speaker 3>about the relationship between atmospheric dust and climate. In Part two,

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about dust bunnies inner and outer, including dust

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<v Speaker 3>bunnies in space, and we talked about how historical attitudes

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<v Speaker 3>toward dust had changed over time, changing ideas in hygiene

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<v Speaker 3>and things like that affecting interior design in the nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 3>In Part three, we talked about the role of dust

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<v Speaker 3>in urban Victorian London and in the novel Dracula, and

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<v Speaker 3>we also talked about the Sororietys paradox also known as

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<v Speaker 3>the paradox of the heap, using dust accumulation as an example.

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<v Speaker 3>And in Part four we talked mostly about select examples

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<v Speaker 3>of dust having interesting significance in myths, rituals, and beliefs

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<v Speaker 3>about magic and alchemy. And now we're back for more.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think in the final episode of this series

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<v Speaker 3>we are going to focus primarily on dust storms.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right into the dust storm.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've talked about how one of the defining features

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<v Speaker 3>of dust is its tendency to fly, the tendency of

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<v Speaker 3>dust particles to be borne aloft on the wind and

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<v Speaker 3>float in the air for long periods of time, and

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<v Speaker 3>for very small particles, this can be true even when

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<v Speaker 3>air currents are fairly gentle, you know, it doesn't take

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<v Speaker 3>more than a like a you know, fan in the

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<v Speaker 3>house or somebody walking by to send some dust flying. However,

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<v Speaker 3>if conditions are right, when winds become stronger, even particles

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<v Speaker 3>larger than the normal flying dust threshold can be picked

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<v Speaker 3>up and carried in the air, and this can result

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<v Speaker 3>in dust storms, also known sometimes as sandstorms, also known

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<v Speaker 3>in some instances as a haboob, which is a term

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<v Speaker 3>that comes from from Arabic and sort of refers to

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<v Speaker 3>a particular type of dust storm. For some people, especially

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<v Speaker 3>people in very arid climates, dust storms might just be

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<v Speaker 3>a regular part of life, you know, a thing that

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<v Speaker 3>you get used to, especially in certain seasons of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're unfamiliar with them, or if you are

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<v Speaker 3>experiencing a dust storm at the extremes of size and intensity,

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<v Speaker 3>dust storms can be frightening, all inspiring natural events, turning

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<v Speaker 3>up massive, surging clouds of dust and soil so powerful

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen them described as land based tsunamis that once

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<v Speaker 3>they envelop you can blot out the sun and cause

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of midnight at noon. And to illustrate what

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<v Speaker 3>a dust storm at the extreme of intensity and the

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<v Speaker 3>surprise factor can be like. I just wanted to mention

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of descriptions of and facts about a particular

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<v Speaker 3>dust storm that hit the Great Planes of the United

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<v Speaker 3>States on April fourteenth, nineteen thirty five. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>day that came to be known as Black Sunday, named

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<v Speaker 3>after the storm, and with historical perspective, this particular storm

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<v Speaker 3>on April fourteenth came to be seen as part of

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<v Speaker 3>a larger pattern of drought and dust storms in the

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<v Speaker 3>prairies of the central United States that stretched throughout the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirties and is known as the dust Bowl. And

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<v Speaker 3>dust storms were very frequent during the dust Bowl. But

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<v Speaker 3>the US National Weather Service actually has a great information

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<v Speaker 3>page on the Black Sunday storm which collects some quotes

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<v Speaker 3>from eyewitnesses and contemporary news reports, and they are fascinating

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<v Speaker 3>and harrowing. So this storm was very large. It swept

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<v Speaker 3>across multiple states through the middle of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>but it seems that the panhandles of Texas and Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 3>got the worst of the effects. The storm in this

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<v Speaker 3>region sort of began in mid afternoon around four PM

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<v Speaker 3>and stretched on into the evening and according to the

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<v Speaker 3>National Weather Service summary, in some places winds reached sixty

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<v Speaker 3>miles per hour, and in certain parts of the storm

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<v Speaker 3>it was as dark as night or even.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to read a couple of these contemporary descriptions

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<v Speaker 3>that have been collected here. One is from a newspaper

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<v Speaker 3>called the Liberal News. This is from April nineteen thirty five.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe this is the newspaper of a town in

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<v Speaker 3>Kansas called Liberal. It's the name of the town. It says,

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<v Speaker 3>a great black bank rolled in out of the northeast,

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<v Speaker 3>and in a twinkling when it struck, Liberal plunged everything

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<v Speaker 3>into inky blackness, worse than that on any midnight when

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<v Speaker 3>there is at least some starlight and outlines of objects

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<v Speaker 3>can be seen. When the storm struck, it was impossible

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<v Speaker 3>to see one's hand before his face, even two inches away,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was several minutes before any trace of daylight

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<v Speaker 3>whatsoever returned. Then I got another passage. This is written

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<v Speaker 3>by someone named Pauline Winkler Gray, writing a piece called

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<v Speaker 3>the Black Sunday of April fourteenth, nineteen thirty five for

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<v Speaker 3>the Kansas Historical Society. This author right, it was as

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<v Speaker 3>though the sky was divided into two opposite worlds. On

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<v Speaker 3>the south, there was blue sky, golden sunlight, and tranquility.

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<v Speaker 3>On the north, there was a menacing curtain of boiling

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<v Speaker 3>black dust that appeared to reach a thousand or more

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<v Speaker 3>feet into the air. It had the appearance of a

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<v Speaker 3>mammoth waterfall in reverse color as well as form. The

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<v Speaker 3>apex of the cloud was plumed and curling, seething and

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<v Speaker 3>tumbling over itself from north to south, and whipping trash, papers, sticks,

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<v Speaker 3>and cardboard cartons before it. Even the birds were helpless

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<v Speaker 3>in the turbulent onslaught and dipped and dived without the

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<v Speaker 3>benefit of wings as the wind propelled them. As the

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<v Speaker 3>wall of dust and sand struck our house, the sun

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<v Speaker 3>was instantly blotted out completely. Gravel particles clattered against the

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<v Speaker 3>windows and pounded down on the roof. The floor shook

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<v Speaker 3>with the impact of the wind, and the rafters creaked threateningly.

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<v Speaker 3>We stood in our living room in pitch blackness. We

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<v Speaker 3>were stunned. Never had we been in such all enveloping

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<v Speaker 3>blackness before, such impenetrable gloom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 3>And another source I wanted to mention a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>details from this is the book that I brought it

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<v Speaker 3>brought up in Part one of the podcast series. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a book called Dust to the Modern World in a

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<v Speaker 3>Trillion Particles by Jay Owens, published twenty twenty three. This

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<v Speaker 3>book has a chapter which talks about dust storms, drought,

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<v Speaker 3>and the dust bowl, and the author here relates an

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<v Speaker 3>eyewitness telling by a woman named Ada Kerns talking to

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<v Speaker 3>the Oklahoma Historical Society about Black Sunday many years later,

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<v Speaker 3>and she claims that she's listening to the radio and

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly the radio announcer had to cut in and say

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<v Speaker 3>we're going off the air, and gave no explanation why, so,

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<v Speaker 3>Owens writes about this quote, no time to say why.

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<v Speaker 3>The storm carried so much static electricity that it was

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<v Speaker 3>shorting out electrical equipment and car engines. Barbed wire fence

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<v Speaker 3>is visibly glowed with charge. The storm front rolled southward,

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<v Speaker 3>picking up more dirt and power as it went. The

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<v Speaker 3>sky filled with birds racing ahead, The ground ran with

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<v Speaker 3>jack rabbits. The dust storm rolled along the horizon, inexorable

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<v Speaker 3>and terrifying, a wall of oblivion.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>She also quotes multiple people who she kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of observes that there's like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Trend of different people, all saying they had the same

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<v Speaker 3>thought when they saw the dust storm approaching, which is

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<v Speaker 3>that they thought the world was ending, or at least

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<v Speaker 3>in an expressive way, said it was like the world

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<v Speaker 3>was ending in fact, JJ, if you want to pull

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<v Speaker 3>in a little bit of media. Apparently, Woody Guthrie has

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<v Speaker 3>a song that was possibly inspired by this event. The

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<v Speaker 3>song is known as Dusty Old Dust or so long

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<v Speaker 3>It's been Good to know you and has some lyrics

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<v Speaker 3>about dust storms that I'm gonna say, I love Woody Guthrie.

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<v Speaker 3>This song, the vibes of it do not quite convey

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<v Speaker 3>the terror and intensity of these quotes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh long it's been good denoy you? This dusty old

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<v Speaker 2>Dust is a blowing me. Yeah. Yeah, I mean they're

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<v Speaker 2>just looking at the lyrics of the song. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's talking about the sun being blocked out and people saying,

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<v Speaker 2>so long it's been good to know yet. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's not completely conveyed in the overall tone of

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<v Speaker 2>the song.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a friendly sounding melody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So again for some people around the world, people who

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<v Speaker 3>live especially in desert regions or arid or semi arid

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<v Speaker 3>regions where dust storms are common, it might not seem

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<v Speaker 3>as all inspiring, maybe in the same way that if

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<v Speaker 3>you'd never seen a regular, you know, a thunderstorm with

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<v Speaker 3>lightning and rain before, if you saw that, it would

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<v Speaker 3>seem truly terrifying and all inspiring. So I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we get used to the large scale weather and natural

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<v Speaker 3>phenomena that happen often in our surroundings. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>are not used to the idea of a dust storm,

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<v Speaker 3>as I certainly am not, it seems just an overwhelming experience.

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<v Speaker 3>So Rob I did attach a few photos we can

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<v Speaker 3>look at that managed to in various contexts capture the

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<v Speaker 3>dust wall boundary like of an advancing dust storm, and

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<v Speaker 3>it looks just shocking, you know. There's like it's like

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<v Speaker 3>mountainous dark clouds just pouring over the land.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, I have relatives that live out in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've never been out there during a dust storm.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been driving through Arizona or parts of New Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>where they have the signs beware dust storm and even

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<v Speaker 2>like instructions on what to do, namely like pull over

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. But I'd asked them about it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I asked my relatives there and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what was it like and so forth, and ended up

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<v Speaker 2>looking up. If you just do an image search for

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<v Speaker 2>dust storms A Z, you'll get some pretty tremendous looking

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<v Speaker 2>images and some footage as well. And yeah, there's just

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<v Speaker 2>a very apocalyptic appearance to these things, just a massive

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<v Speaker 2>wall of dust rolling in, you know, blotting out the sun,

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<v Speaker 2>turning the world red or gray in the shadows. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad I've not had the experience firsthand. I'm sure we

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<v Speaker 2>have listeners out there who have been through these many times,

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps you can write in and share your experiences

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<v Speaker 2>with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Please do.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you mentioned the idea of pulling over if

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<v Speaker 3>you're on the road and there's a dust storm, because

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<v Speaker 3>it does seem based on what I've read, that one

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<v Speaker 3>of the biggest hazards actually of a dust storm is

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<v Speaker 3>not so much that the storm is going to harm

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<v Speaker 3>you directly, but it's the reduction in visibility and the

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<v Speaker 3>way that it can affect like machines and electronics. So

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to be trying to fly or drive

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of a dust storm that you can

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<v Speaker 3>have collisions in an aircraft or ground based vehicle. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just better to avoid it, obviously if you're flying, but

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<v Speaker 3>if you're in a car stop, you know you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be trying to weave your way through the

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<v Speaker 3>darkness at noon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe the general advice and do check your

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<v Speaker 2>local signs. Just take my word for it here, but

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<v Speaker 2>I believe you're supposed to, like, you know, turn off

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<v Speaker 2>your engine, turn off your lights, put your vehicle in park,

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth. So yeah, the signs are very clear

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<v Speaker 2>about this in areas where dust storms are a possibility.

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<v Speaker 3>However, this does raise interesting questions because I certainly look

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<v Speaker 3>at a dust storm and think I've never seen anything

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<v Speaker 3>like this firsthand. I would just be overwhelmed by it.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I think, why is it that I've never

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<v Speaker 3>seen anything like this firsthand? Why is it that they

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<v Speaker 3>only occur in some regions and not in others. To

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<v Speaker 3>some people, dust storms or a regular seasonal thing, you

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<v Speaker 3>just get used to it. You prepare for it. You

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<v Speaker 3>try to rely on weather prediction as far as that'll

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<v Speaker 3>help you prepare for it. You know, you can put

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<v Speaker 3>tarps over things, and you can take measures to try

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<v Speaker 3>to avoid getting in trouble in a dust storm. But

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<v Speaker 3>for lots of people around the world. It's just a

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<v Speaker 3>regular part of life. So why don't we get major

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<v Speaker 3>dust storms around where we live? It has to do

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<v Speaker 3>with climate. So this is going to raise general questions

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<v Speaker 3>about how do dust storms work, what actually causes them,

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<v Speaker 3>and where do they form. So I was looking at

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<v Speaker 3>a number of sources on this question, and a really

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<v Speaker 3>good one I came across is what do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>A good old house stuff Works article by Vicky Jugo,

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<v Speaker 3>Rob and I. If you're newer to the show, never

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<v Speaker 3>heard us talk about this before. Robin I used to

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<v Speaker 3>work for How Stuff Works. Seeing still see the stuff

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<v Speaker 3>and the title of the podcast there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, still have some bylines on that website.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, anyway, I learned a lot of things about dust

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<v Speaker 3>storms from this house Stuff Works article, so it's a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good one. So dust storms can occur anywhere where

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<v Speaker 3>the conditions are right, but they are especially common in

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<v Speaker 3>certain places around the world, places in arid regions of

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<v Speaker 3>Central Africa, in Australia, in Central Asia, and arid parts

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<v Speaker 3>of North America. And why is it in these locations

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<v Speaker 3>in particular that dust storms are the most common. It's

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<v Speaker 3>local climate conditions, as you might expect it. Dust storms

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<v Speaker 3>are most like in places where the top soil is

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<v Speaker 3>loose and dry, so places where the ground is wet

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<v Speaker 3>or where the soil is firmly crusted together are going

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<v Speaker 3>to release fewer particles into the air when the wind

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<v Speaker 3>kicks up, so obviously less likely to create a dust storm.

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<v Speaker 3>These conditions of dry, loose top soil are most common

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<v Speaker 3>in arid regions, especially after a period of drought. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>water helps protect the soil from erosion in multiple ways.

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<v Speaker 3>It directly physically helps bind the soil by getting it

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<v Speaker 3>wet and making it compact, you know, helping it clump together.

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<v Speaker 3>But it also nourishes plant life, and the plants in

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<v Speaker 3>turn help protect against soil erosion in many ways. So

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<v Speaker 3>plants help bind soil and hold it in place with

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<v Speaker 3>their roots, but plants can also serve as wind breaks

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<v Speaker 3>which slow down the wind that might blow away the

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<v Speaker 3>top soil. Can also help prevent water from washing away

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<v Speaker 3>soil when rain does fall, so dust storms are most

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<v Speaker 3>common in deserts and semi arid lands. You can think

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<v Speaker 3>of dryness and drought as triggering a kind of vicious

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<v Speaker 3>cycle of loss of plant life and subsequent soil erosion,

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<v Speaker 3>and soil erosion can give rise to dust storms. The

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<v Speaker 3>process by which fertile and semi arid land is gradually

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<v Speaker 3>degraded into full desert is known as desertification, and the

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<v Speaker 3>house Stuffworks article here mentions one particularly notable case of

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<v Speaker 3>relatively recent natural desertification. Because there's some desertification that's caused

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<v Speaker 3>by human land use practices, certain types of agriculture and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, but there's also natural desertification, just as

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<v Speaker 3>the climate of regions changes over time. And the natural

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<v Speaker 3>example mentioned in this article is a place called the

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<v Speaker 3>Badeleai Depression. So the Badeleai Depression is a sandy dry

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<v Speaker 3>basin at the southern edge of the Sahara Desert, centered

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<v Speaker 3>in the northern half of the country of Chad. Today

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<v Speaker 3>it's a relatively low lying desert region, but about seven

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<v Speaker 3>thousand years ago it was the location of a vast

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<v Speaker 3>freshwater lake known to scientists as Lake mega Chad. Lake

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<v Speaker 3>Megachad covered more than four hundred thousand square kilometers, which

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<v Speaker 3>is larger than all of the Great Lakes of North

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<v Speaker 3>America put together.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big lake.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a Mega Chad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But as the climate of the Sahara region changed, the

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<v Speaker 3>lake dried up and left behind the Baudela depression, and

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<v Speaker 3>this region today is especially important as a source of

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<v Speaker 3>atmospheric dust. A study by Elan Korn and others in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and six found that during the winter, zero

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<v Speaker 3>point seven tons of dust from this dry lake bed

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<v Speaker 3>alone is blown up into the atmosphere every single day.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got a little bit interested in this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I found a paper by Washington at All published in

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<v Speaker 3>Proceedings to the National Academy of Sciences in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and nine called dust as a tipping element the Bdella

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<v Speaker 3>depression chad and this paper suggested that the Badelea depression,

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<v Speaker 3>this one single area is the source of about half

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<v Speaker 3>of the mineral aerosols that come from the whole Sahara desert,

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<v Speaker 3>and these mineral aerosols and dust from the Sahara more

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<v Speaker 3>generally are very important for spreading supplemental mineral nutrients to

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<v Speaker 3>the Amazon region. You may have read or seen about

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<v Speaker 3>this before, that there's a cross oceanic current of dust

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<v Speaker 3>through the atmosphere where this dust is lifted up off

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<v Speaker 3>of the Sahara goes across the desert some goes into

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<v Speaker 3>the Caribbean basin. I think some goes into the Amazon,

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<v Speaker 3>and the nutrients that are in this dust are very

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<v Speaker 3>important for sustaining the Amazon rainforest.

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<v Speaker 2>Again kind of getting back into some of what we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about earlier in the series about the connection between

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<v Speaker 2>dust and weather and climate.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So, why so much dust coming off of this area. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>apparently part of the reason is that there's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a wind gauntlet that feeds into it. I was reading

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<v Speaker 3>a piece about this by the NASA Earth Observatory which

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<v Speaker 3>writes that, quote, mountain ranges to the northeast of the

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<v Speaker 3>depression create a natural wind tunnel that focuses and strengthens

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<v Speaker 3>winds as they rake cross fast moving sand dunes. So

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a funnel for wind here, the wind gauntlet.

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<v Speaker 3>It hits this massive dry lake bed. And what does

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<v Speaker 3>it pick up. Well, here's another fascinating thing to consider.

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<v Speaker 3>The dust picked up from the depression here is made

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<v Speaker 3>in large part of fossilized life. The sand in the

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<v Speaker 3>former lake bed is made significantly of diatamite, also known

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<v Speaker 3>as diatamaceous earth, which is a type of sedimentary rock

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<v Speaker 3>usually soft in texture and light or white in color,

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<v Speaker 3>and diatamite is formed over time from the fossilized body

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<v Speaker 3>of diatoms, which are single celled organisms usually classified as

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<v Speaker 3>the type of algae which live in the water and

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<v Speaker 3>in the soil. They can sometimes gather together in colonies,

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<v Speaker 3>and diatoms build protective cell walls or shells for themselves

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<v Speaker 3>out of silica silicon dioxide, and after they die, the

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<v Speaker 3>remains of these silica shells form a layer of sediment

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<v Speaker 3>that can later become exposed and then become sand or dust.

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<v Speaker 3>So the silicon dioxide shells of these tiny algae organisms

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<v Speaker 3>living in the water so long ago become the dust

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<v Speaker 3>that is blown across the ocean that helps nourish the

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<v Speaker 3>Amazon rainforest, but also is used in everything from gardening

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<v Speaker 3>to home construction to whatever I mean. Diatamacious earth is

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<v Speaker 3>a commonly used material for all kinds of human industry,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just all the skeletons of these little dead

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<v Speaker 3>life forms.

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<v Speaker 2>Tiny process.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway back to dust storms. So dust storms often

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<v Speaker 3>arise in these dry regions with less robust plant cover,

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<v Speaker 3>especially after drought, when soil is vulnerable to wind erosion.

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<v Speaker 3>When soil is very dry, it does not take a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of force to lift dust particles into the air.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the house Toff Works article, a wind of

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<v Speaker 3>about nine miles per hour or fourteen point five kilometers

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<v Speaker 3>per hour will kick up some dust. But of course,

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<v Speaker 3>as winds become stronger, the uplift and transportation of dust

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<v Speaker 3>and soil through the air becomes more violent. And one

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<v Speaker 3>important process to understand here is something called saltation. The

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<v Speaker 3>saltation as in related to Spanish word saltar, meaning like

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<v Speaker 3>to jump. So when wind blows across loose, dry soil

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<v Speaker 3>on the large scale, you will observe particles behaving differently

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<v Speaker 3>based on their size. Very small dust particles can be

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<v Speaker 3>picked up and become suspended in the air for long

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<v Speaker 3>periods of time and can go very very high up.

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<v Speaker 3>As we talked about in Part one, small particles of

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<v Speaker 3>dust can float for hours or even days, and a

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<v Speaker 3>dust storm can loft these small particles into a cloud,

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<v Speaker 3>reaching hundreds of meters or thousands of feet into the air.

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<v Speaker 3>Larger particles can be blown across the surface of the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of rolling in a process known as creeping, that's

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<v Speaker 3>the term. But there are medium sized particles, these sort

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<v Speaker 3>of sandy particles that engage in saltation, and saltation again

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<v Speaker 3>means jumping. So these medium particles get blown along the

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<v Speaker 3>surface of the ground until they are briefly carried aloft

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<v Speaker 3>by lift. Maybe they hit an uneven surface and jump

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<v Speaker 3>up as they're blown along, and then they bounce back

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<v Speaker 3>down and hit the ground. And this causes a chain

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<v Speaker 3>reaction because they come back down and they hit the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>and that impact can cause other particles of soil or

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<v Speaker 3>sand or whatever in the ground to bounce, to be

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<v Speaker 3>knocked out of place, and they jump and then hit

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<v Speaker 3>other particles and on and on, kind of like splashing

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<v Speaker 3>in the water. So when a heavy wind hits dry soil,

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<v Speaker 3>there will be a cloud of fine dust blown in

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<v Speaker 3>the air by the air currents, but also a bombardment

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<v Speaker 3>of leaping medium sized particles nearer to the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. This reminds me, of course, of a Frank

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<v Speaker 2>Herbert's Dune, which I've been rereading. In the first part

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<v Speaker 2>of the book, there's the scene where they take off

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<v Speaker 2>in the ornithopter into the big sandstorm, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>discussion about, well, if you reach a certain altitude, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be mostly dust as opposed to larger particles

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<v Speaker 2>of sand at lower altitudes. In this, again not a

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<v Speaker 2>terrestrial vision of a sandstorm or dust storm, but something

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<v Speaker 2>occurring on a large, predominantly desert planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm half recalling a detail. Does Dune mention something

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<v Speaker 3>about the dust raised up when a sandworm is plowing

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<v Speaker 3>through the desert having showing like electrical discharge.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I don't remember from previous readings, and

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't gotten to the part yet where the sandworms

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<v Speaker 2>start appearing in earnest, but it's certainly something that the

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<v Speaker 2>David Lynch adaptation picked up, Yes, adding those sparks, and

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<v Speaker 2>if so, I mean that would definitely be in line.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, because we mentioned earlier the static electric properties

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<v Speaker 3>the static electric field generated in a dust storm, just

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<v Speaker 3>based on direct observations, but there's been scientific study of

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<v Speaker 3>this too, and it turns out that the friction created

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<v Speaker 3>by a dust storm, including the saltation process here where

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<v Speaker 3>these particles are hitting and rubbing against each other, creates

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<v Speaker 3>a static electric field, which further aids in the uplift

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<v Speaker 3>of dust and soil. Apparently, the ground becomes in simplified terms,

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<v Speaker 3>the ground becomes positively charged and the flying dust particles

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<v Speaker 3>become negatively charged, and this electric field helps lift more

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<v Speaker 3>particles off the ground and helps the flying particles in

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<v Speaker 3>the air lift even more particles up. So it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just the force of the wind, it's the static electricity

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<v Speaker 3>within the dust storm that helps make it even more

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<v Speaker 3>violent and lift more matter off of the ground into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come into the quick note that in Dune there

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<v Speaker 2>is mention of static electricity from sandstorms masking signals, messing

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<v Speaker 2>with electrical equipment.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, there you go, Thanks for doing the research.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the real time research of me consulting the novel. Here.

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<v Speaker 3>One strange detail I read about for people during dust

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<v Speaker 3>bowl times in the United States trying to counteract the

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<v Speaker 3>static electricity within a dust storm was that they would

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<v Speaker 3>put chains on the back of their cars. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not advising driving inside a dust storm, you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>do that, but chains on the back of the cars

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<v Speaker 3>to ground into the car, so that so there'll be

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<v Speaker 3>a connection to reduce the electrical potential.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>So dust storms can be created by really any source

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<v Speaker 3>of strong winds. But a common source of strong winds

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<v Speaker 3>here is in fact a thunderstorm, you know, like a

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<v Speaker 3>like a cold front being pushed out in advance of

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<v Speaker 3>a thunderstorm. And there's a real cruel irony contained there

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<v Speaker 3>in the fact that like a dust storm very often

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<v Speaker 3>happens in a dry place that is badly in need

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<v Speaker 3>of water. And it is these dry conditions that make

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<v Speaker 3>the soil so vulnerable to being loosened and eroded and

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<v Speaker 3>lifted into the air. And then this dust blizzard is

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<v Speaker 3>brought at the advance of a thunderstorm. So often after

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<v Speaker 3>certain types of dust storms, like after a haboob, it

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<v Speaker 3>will rain. Sometimes it won't be a lot of rain,

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<v Speaker 3>but a rain can follow a dust storm. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>like looks like rain is coming, but at the edge

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<v Speaker 3>of the storm here comes a terrifying black wall of

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<v Speaker 3>dust and sand miles long and thousands of feet high. However,

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<v Speaker 3>to move on to a slightly different topic, Rob, I

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<v Speaker 3>know you wanted to talk a bit about dust devils,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we should establish a distinction between dust storms

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<v Speaker 3>and dust devils. A dust storm is usually used to

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<v Speaker 3>refer to like an advancing wall of dust driven by

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<v Speaker 3>outflow of winds from a weather pattern or from a thunderstorm,

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<v Speaker 3>while a dust devil is a smaller, more contained event,

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<v Speaker 3>but can be very striking in its own right, because

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<v Speaker 3>a dust devil is a type of whirlwind.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, smaller in scale, very much localized, and there

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 2>are several good resources out there about this. I noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that we both ran across one of the same explainer

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 2>articles on weather dot gov, and this one is this

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 2>is based out of Flagstaff. I think this particular article,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is an NAA explainer and it points out that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>dust devil is basically a short term dust filled vortex,

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<v Speaker 2>ranging from ten to three hundred feet average height of

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred to one thousand feet. They typically last only

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes, though it is noted that in desert

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<v Speaker 2>environments like those of northern Arizona, they can reach heights

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<v Speaker 2>of several thousand feet and last for an hour or more.

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Wind speeds can reach sixty miles per hour or so.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 2>You can think of them they're kind of like tornadoes,

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<v Speaker 2>except they're smaller, often much smaller. They can still provide

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<v Speaker 2>a certain amount of destruction. They can still impact things,

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<v Speaker 2>but not generally to the degree that you would associate

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<v Speaker 2>with a full scale tornado. I was reading more about

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<v Speaker 2>them in an article from Rob mccorkyle, an article that

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<v Speaker 2>this is on Texas parks in Wildlife. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve article that's mostly dealing with legend, lore and

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<v Speaker 2>legacy titled Ghostly Little Twisters. I'll come back to some

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 2>of the tidbits that he includes here, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>sums up some more about the formation of dust devils.

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<v Speaker 2>The ideal conditions, he said, are a clear day with

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<v Speaker 2>sunny skies, light or no wind, cool atmospheric temperature, and

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<v Speaker 2>a flat bear in terrain and key. Here is a

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<v Speaker 2>difference between near surface air temperature and atmosphere. So, as

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<v Speaker 2>the NOAA article summarizes on this point quote, if the

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<v Speaker 2>temperature of the ground becomes much warmer than the air

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<v Speaker 2>above it, a vertical mixing will take place to release

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<v Speaker 2>this unstable configuration. Once the ground heats up enough, a

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<v Speaker 2>localized pocket of air will quickly rise through the cooler

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<v Speaker 2>air above it. The sudden uprush of hot air causes

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<v Speaker 2>the air to speed horizontally inward to the bottom of

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the newly forming vortex. So whila, you get this vortex

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<v Speaker 2>of spinning dust. Because there's ample amounts of dust around

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<v Speaker 2>in the sort of regions where these things tend to form. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>these are generally not that long lasting, and they'll continue

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<v Speaker 2>until this careful balance is broken. Generally speaking, that's once

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<v Speaker 2>the warm, unstable air is depleted, and he points out

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<v Speaker 2>there most of these are mostly considered harmless, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are documented cases where they have caused harm. There's some

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<v Speaker 2>story about one hitting a bounce house, for example, so

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<v Speaker 2>they can get a little out of hand, but generally

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<v Speaker 2>speaking are not considered like a major risk. They're generally

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<v Speaker 2>seen as more of a curiosity.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a bounce house? You mean that the same thing

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<v Speaker 3>as like a bouncy castle?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like a bouncy bouncy castle scenario. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the full story on that that dead though NICs,

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<v Speaker 2>but as one would imagine with any kind of phenomenon

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<v Speaker 2>like this, it has factored into various folk tales and mythologies.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is another area where there's probably much more

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<v Speaker 2>than we can get into. But regions with dust storms

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<v Speaker 2>and with dust devils, they have various supernatural ideas concerning

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<v Speaker 2>such things. Already touched a little bit on Navajo traditions

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<v Speaker 2>about different types of winds in the previous episode, but

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<v Speaker 2>I found this this one interesting concerning dust devils potentially

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<v Speaker 2>in Celtic mythology. According to the Encyclopedia of Celtic Mythology

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<v Speaker 2>and Folklore by Patricia Monaghan. This is from twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Dust devils were connected to the idea of fairy blast

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 2>or fairy wind, by which the fairy folk took things

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<v Speaker 2>from our world. And you could dislodge something from the

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 2>dust devil by throwing a shoe or some other object

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<v Speaker 2>into it. But if you manage to take something out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, if you knock something out of this dust

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<v Speaker 2>devil that was not of human origin but was a

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<v Speaker 2>fairy origin, a magical item of some sort, like a

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<v Speaker 2>superb musical instrument of fairy craftmanship, well then you only

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<v Speaker 2>have it for a short amount of time because it

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<v Speaker 2>will later turn to dust in your hands.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, this reminds me of what we just talked about

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 3>in the Listener Mail episode. The story from that seventeenth

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 3>century sci fi novel The Man in the Moon about

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<v Speaker 3>the guy goes to outer space and the devils there

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<v Speaker 3>give him food, but he later goes to eat the

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<v Speaker 3>food and it has turned into goat hair and uh,

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 3>I think beast urine and some other thing goat poop also,

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 3>so you don't want to you don't want to take

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 3>items of value from those other worldly beings. It's it's

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 3>just not going to stay what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now it is interesting though, because like Celtic tradition

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 2>is not the first tradition I would think of when

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<v Speaker 2>looking for dust devil traditions. Uh, but I just looked

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>around and just a quick scan of various like news stories,

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I did run across one from not too long ago.

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Let's see if there's a having trouble finding a date

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>on this, but just an AOL news story, rare dust

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 2>devil whips up a storm on Irish beach. And there's

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:48.479
<v Speaker 2>some like, you know, some some local footage that somebody

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 2>just snagged on the beach of one of these dust devils.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't have to have a desert environment necessarily

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>for one of these things to form, and then you

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 2>don't have to ultimately have that many of them or

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>them have them occurring that frequently of course, to enter

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>into folklore tradition. Now, Rob mccorkyle and that article Ghostly

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Little Twisters points out a few other traditions from around

0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the world. Basically, there are various takes on the idea

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of a dust devil as a supernatural entity of one

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 2>form or another, a ghost or a spirit, some evidence

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 2>of the activity of the fairy folk, that sort of thing,

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 2>and it may range from something rather harmless to something

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>actively nefarious. So a few bits here he writes quote

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<v Speaker 2>to the Navajo, dust devils are Chindy ghosts or spirits

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of the dead members of their tribe. Their tradition holds

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 2>that a Chindy spinning counterclockwise is a bad spirit, while

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 2>one spinning clockwise is a good spirit. He also adds

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<v Speaker 2>quote in African folklore, a dust devil is a noom,

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<v Speaker 2>a shape shifting demon or sorcerer, occupying the body of

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<v Speaker 2>a human host and drawn to suffering and self destructive

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>souls unconsciously seeking relief from the pain of their lives. This,

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of course, instantly brings to mind the Richard Stanley film

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Dust Devil, which is one we might have to come

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>back around to on Weird House Cinema. It's been a

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 2>while since I've seen it, but it has one very

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>memorable dust related sequence in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I've never heard of that.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's a weird one. Richard Stanley okay, and yeah,

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>and I believe is tying into some actual I don't

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>know to what degree they've been fictionalized and you know,

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>made to fit the needs of a horror film, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's some usage of traditional it's like South

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 2>African traditions there. But anyway, that movie is not mentioned

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 2>in the macorkyl article, but mccorkyl does mention that there

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 2>are Middle Eastern connections between dust devils and demons or gin.

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>And then also we see Aboriginal Australian traditions depicting the

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 2>willy willy, a kind of nursery bogie that you would

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>use to as with other bogies and boogeymen, to frighten children,

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 2>essentially to tell them you need to behave otherwise or

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 2>you be on the lookout because the willy willy in

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 2>this case may come for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's really not hard for me to see

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 3>to look at various types of whirlwinds and imagine them

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<v Speaker 3>as sentient beings because of the almost animal like wandering

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 3>nature of their movements.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the same is true of tornadoes as well,

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 2>or at least the smaller scale ones. I mean, tornadoes

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 2>especially in certain regions can become so large that they

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>are more on the scale of like dust storms. But

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, whenever you have some sort of a weather

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon that you can sort of witness as a thing

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 2>that is moving, you know, and as opposed to something

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.439
<v Speaker 2>you are in the midst of entirely we can't help

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>but then anthropomorphize it and see it as kind of

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 2>a being or an entity on some level, like even

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 2>if you know better, you know, you can't help but

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<v Speaker 2>think of that that tornado as like a stalking entity

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>out there in the in the sky, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, Rob after the series, I truly am not going

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 3>to look at dust in the same way when I'm

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 3>just you know, doing the everyday mundane chorts battling it

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 3>inside my home. I feel like it has it has

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 3>become potent.

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 2>You know. One thing I forgot to mention we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about like observing dust in your home and also

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 2>the interaction of small children. One thing I have noticed,

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:33.719
<v Speaker 2>of course is in the past is and okay, you

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 2>have a dusty surface, you can ignore it a lot,

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot more easily if nobody has disturbed the dust.

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>But once small hands have like played in the dust,

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, oh goodness, now I've got to dust

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 2>this thing because the monotony is broken.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. If you make one clean spot, now you got

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 3>to clean the whole thing.

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Oh, and real quick. On the subject of

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 2>dust in dune and static charges and doing, there's a

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of static electric in the novel Doom, And

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<v Speaker 2>there's also mention of a static charge dust gun in

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the in the in the glossary at the end of

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>the book that I'd forgotten about a Baradi pistol, a

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 2>static charge dust gun developed on Aracus for laying down

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>a large dye marker area on sand. So there's a

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of static electricity on the mind for Frank Herbert

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>as he was writing this. Okay, all right, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go ahead and close the book on dust. But

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean you can't write into us with your

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<v Speaker 2>own tidbits experience learnings about dust, dust in your world,

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 2>dust in different cultures, dust and literature and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>We're already getting some excellent listener mail on this count,

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