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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and we're going through these Pro Football Focus

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Speaker 3: defensive tackles. Take a look here at the edge rushers.

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Speaker 3: We knocking out defenses this hour. We're not going to defense.

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Speaker 1: They also they did release their guard rankings.

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Speaker 3: I believe Isaac Samalu was fourteenth in James Daniels twentieth.

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Speaker 1: I haven't ready yet, but I saw they both were

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Speaker 3: Absolutely So. Looking at the edge.

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Speaker 1: Rushers represent pretty well defensively.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got guys at every position, basically at edge rusher.

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Speaker 3: They have Miles Garrett number one. They love Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: I love Miles Garrett. I do too, but he's phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: And it's not like we're going to get to Alex

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Speaker 1: Oh no, his name's coming up pretty soon. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: He stands out after that. It's a question to me.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen Zadarius Smith with the Browns. Again, do sacks not

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Speaker 3: Twenty six Matthew Judon.

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Speaker 3: Number eight, Jeremiah Owosu Cormoa.

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Speaker 3: Ten Bobby Ocarique with the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Eleven Tremaine Edmans with the Bears.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Thirteen Jermaine Pratt with the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen Foci Day alok One with the Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen Devondre Campbell with the forty nine.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one is Frankie Luvu with the Commanders.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two Terrell Dodson with the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four Jerome Baker with the Seahawks.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five Kaden Ellis with the Falcons.

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight Sione Tacky Tacky with the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Thirty one Willie Gay with the Saints.

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Speaker 3: No, it really isn't. And I would actually be surprised

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Speaker 1: Maybe three, depending how many snaps everybody gets and all

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Speaker 1: And people don't even care if they can handle guard

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lollie. Are listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. And Matt we're looking here at the Pro

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Speaker 3: Football Focus position rankings across all the positions in the league.

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Speaker 3: We're up to now looking here, continuing remaining attending with

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Speaker 3: So let's start with the cornerbacks. Okay, and number one

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Speaker 3: from Trent McDuffie. If we were.

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Speaker 1: Drafting corners, he would not be my second pick.

447
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Speaker 3: I mean no, I don't think so. He's got like

448
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,920
Speaker 3: one career interception in three years now.

449
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Speaker 1: He's a little more slot than the Curtains and what.

450
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Speaker 3: So there are three there are three Jets in the

451
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Speaker 3: top fifteen here.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah.

453
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 3: I think to me, they should have broken it down

454
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Speaker 3: by outside and slot.

455
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Speaker 1: Get Yeah, it's probably been of them.

456
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Speaker 3: Twenty four has to do something completely different.

457
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Speaker 1: And McDuffie does a lot of slot stuff. He's a

458
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Speaker 1: really good quality player, but he's not as athletic as

459
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Speaker 1: some of the elite guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

461
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Speaker 3: How many how many true number one receivers are you

462
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Speaker 3: seeing in the slot?

463
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Speaker 1: Right? And Sneed was their number one last right?

464
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was way farther down the list.

465
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

466
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Speaker 3: Number three, char Farrius Ward with the forty nine Ers.

467
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Speaker 1: He's a very underrated player, but he's not the.

468
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Speaker 3: Third best corner back in the league. I mean, if

469
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Speaker 3: you offered the Broncos right now, right, if you offer

470
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Speaker 3: a McDuffie reward for Certain, they're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna say no, no chance. And Certain's due for a contract.

472
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Speaker 1: You'll see how valuable he is when this contract comes around. Yeah.

473
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Speaker 3: Uh, Certain is fourth on this list.

474
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Speaker 1: To me, there's the top two, and he'd be one

475
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Speaker 1: of them.

476
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

477
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Speaker 3: Number five Jalen Johnson with the Bears.

478
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Speaker 1: Awesome year. Yeah, awesome year. And he's got a lot

479
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Speaker 1: of ability. A little bit of a late bloomer because

480
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Speaker 1: he wasn't an Earth pick, but they paid him. And

481
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk that the trade deadline,

482
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Speaker 1: the Steelers were kicking the tires on trying to get him.

483
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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I canna understand why. Right, there's a

484
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Speaker 3: lot to like there a really good football player.

485
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

486
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Speaker 3: Number six Jalen Ramsey with the Dolphins.

487
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, does he see do you think he's

488
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer? He's more to do. He's young,

489
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: he don't he doesn't lock down number ones. No, since

490
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 1: he left Jack.

491
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Speaker 3: I don't think he is.

492
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't either. I mean I like him a lot,

493
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Speaker 1: immensely talented, huge could have. He's one of those guys

494
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 1: that could have a great next five years, you know,

495
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: and maybe play safety in Rod Woodson, Darren Woodson. It up.

496
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like there. But his name values

497
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 1: maybe a little higher than what he does week the week.

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. Number seven Jay r Alexander with

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Speaker 3: the Packers.

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Speaker 1: A little bit inconsistent, but on his best day he's

501
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Speaker 1: near the top.

502
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Number eight Kendall Fuller with the Dolphins.

503
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Speaker 1: We made the joke the other day. The Fullers all confused.

504
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Speaker 4: Me.

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Speaker 3: Plan is Kendall Fuller the eighth best cornerback in the.

506
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Speaker 1: League and Eddie positioned right? I mean he's fine. He's

507
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Speaker 1: a high quality number two corner type guy, right, I

508
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Speaker 1: mean that's great. But I'm sure he graded well this

509
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Speaker 1: year or whatever.

510
00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: But he's not.

511
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: If he's hurt for a game and the Dolphins will

512
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: move on, it'll be fine.

513
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, he won't wow on the stat sheet with

514
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Speaker 3: gaudy interceptions or forced in completion numbers. He's reliable as

515
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Speaker 3: they come when it comes to making tackles and being

516
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 3: sticky in coverage.

517
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Speaker 1: Right, I guess that's not a bad write up.

518
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's number twenty on this so it's not

519
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 3: number eight good tackler. Yeah, okay, takes the ball away.

520
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: He doesn't get his hands on the football.

521
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Speaker 1: Right right. They could be useful for any team killing guy,

522
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Speaker 1: but he's not a top ten player.

523
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Speaker 3: Number nine Michael Carter with the Jets.

524
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Speaker 1: He's one of three. He's a pure slot.

525
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Speaker 3: He's a pure slot guy, and I'm sorry, I can't

526
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Speaker 3: put a pure slot guy almost in my top ten cornerbacks.

527
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Speaker 1: Like, come on back to opening the show, if you

528
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Speaker 1: would ask Michael Carter to do what Cam Sutton did

529
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Speaker 1: for the Lions last year.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't have went, it wouldn't destroyed.

531
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Speaker 1: He's tiny, he's tiny, he's tough, he's art. They drafted

532
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 1: to Michael Carter's in the same year, which I thought

533
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: was funny. But he's a square peg. You right, put

534
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: him in the square hole or he doesn't do it right, Yeah,

535
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: he can't.

536
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Speaker 3: Like if if Sauce Gardner goes down, they're not plugging

537
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Speaker 3: Michael Carter in on the outside. They'll get somebody else.

538
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: To put outside and if they do, they're gonna throw

539
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Speaker 1: it him right.

540
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Speaker 3: Right, he's not interchanged, so he can't be the number

541
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Speaker 3: nine cornerback in the league.

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Speaker 1: Agreed. I mean, if we're to your point, if we're

543
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Speaker 1: ranking slots and you said he's.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's number one or two, that's fine.

545
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Speaker 1: I'll go right to a different world. Right.

546
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Speaker 3: Speaking of which, another slot at ten to Ron Johnson

547
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Speaker 3: with the Bills.

548
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, same thing like Mike killing his

549
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: prime and like they're they're really good players. Yeah, they

550
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Speaker 1: stick their face in there, but if they got to

551
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: follow Devonte Adams all day, they're in trouble.

552
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Speaker 3: If I if I stand them next to Sauce Gardner

553
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Speaker 3: that and Joey Porter Junior and some of these other guys,

554
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Speaker 3: they don't look like they play the same position.

555
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Speaker 1: No, and they're not close to the same specimens.

556
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Speaker 3: No. Number eleven Darius Williams with the Rams.

557
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: He's similar to I mean, he's a gritty, you know,

558
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Speaker 1: kind of do it all. I mean, he's good, but

559
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Speaker 1: he's no. Again, you don't fear playing these guys.

560
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Speaker 3: No. Number twelve Lagarious Snead with the Titans.

561
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Speaker 1: To me, he had a top three or four season.

562
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Speaker 3: I don't understand how you can't tell me that Michael

563
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Speaker 3: Carter is a better football player than Lagerius Snead.

564
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Speaker 1: The Titans would not have given that up and a

565
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Speaker 1: contract from that order, not even not on any planet.

566
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Speaker 1: Snead and Johnson to me from the Bears were guys

567
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Speaker 1: that really stepped up, that are legit with size and

568
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Speaker 1: are worth the money.

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Speaker 3: Same argument here thirteen Brian Branch with the Lions. I adore,

570
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Speaker 3: But you can't tell me he's the thirteen best corner

571
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Speaker 3: back in the league. Yeah, because he's a slot and

572
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Speaker 3: that's what he does.

573
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Speaker 1: And the more we go through this, there should be

574
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Speaker 1: two less they really should.

575
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Speaker 3: Like, you got all these slot guys ranked Todd Well,

576
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Speaker 3: he didn't give up many to his yards per target

577
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Speaker 3: was really good because he's in the slot.

578
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Speaker 1: He's in the slot. The balls he's going deep on it,

579
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: right right right.

580
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Speaker 3: The ball's coming out quick, he's tackling the catch. He

581
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: gave up an eight yard catch. Well, the guy on

582
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Speaker 3: the outside gave up a fourteen yard catch.

583
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and this isn't this isn't comparing Welker to Moss.

584
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: I could live with the receiver list yea, yeah, because

585
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: you're dictating where they go, right, you know, like these

586
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: guys are slot only and part is a really good

587
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Speaker 1: football player.

588
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,719
Speaker 3: Part of what they're doing here is saying yards per

589
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: target and stuff. Is that is you know, well, no,

590
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Speaker 3: it would be. They're not apples and apples.

591
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: No they're not.

592
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: They're not.

593
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: The numbers definitely aren't. Yeah, and coverage numbers worry me

594
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: a little bit anyway.

595
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Speaker 3: Uh. Fourteen DJ Read with the Jets.

596
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: He's better than Carter. I mean he's an outside guy

597
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: opposite Sauce who gets targeted a ton because Sauce is

598
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Speaker 1: on the other side, right, and he holds up really well.

599
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 3: Fifteen roseul Douglas.

600
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry he's taking the ball away, but people have

601
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: given up on him.

602
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: You don't taste down, Yeah, you don't get moved around

603
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: as much as he has in his career.

604
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: He has size, and I guess he's quote coming to

605
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: his own own fine, but again he's okay.

606
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sixteen Marlon Humphrey with the Ravens.

607
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: That's fair. I mean I think he's declining and that

608
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: I'd be a little worried injuries and things like that,

609
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: But there's a lot there I mean, he's got a

610
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: nice body of work.

611
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: Seventeen Denzel Ward with the Browns.

612
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Similar. I mean, they both have had very good AFC

613
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: North careers that I'd be a little worried if I'm

614
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: their respective.

615
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's their best corner in my eyes.

616
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if he is anymore either. I mean

617
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: I had a problem using the fifth pick in the

618
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Speaker 1: draft on a little guy. Yeah, period, and it's kind

619
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: of starting to come the roost, you know. Is he

620
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Speaker 1: gonna age as well as the other guys gave him

621
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Speaker 1: a bunch of money? Yeah, like he better.

622
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Speaker 3: Eighteen Jamel Dean with the Buccaneers. It's had a good career, Okay, Yeah,

623
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Speaker 3: that's about what he is though. Oh. Nineteen Trayvon Diggs

624
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: with the Cowboys.

625
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: He missed a lot last year, right yeah, because the

626
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: other guy had all the pick sixes. But they're like

627
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: the same dude, right yeah, boom or bust, take the

628
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: ball away or give up a touchdown? Yeah yeah.

629
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: Twenty A Sante Samuel Junior with the Chargers.

630
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: Quality football player, I'm okay. I mean, is he a

631
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: top thirty two players position? Probably? Is he ever gonna

632
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: be higher than that probably not.

633
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: He's given up eleven touchdown passes in the last two years. Really,

634
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: I mean they say it here in the write up

635
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: like that's not my stat, that's their stat. Yeah, I

636
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: don't know if you're you're your twentieth if you gave

637
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 3: up eleven.

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00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we obviously haven't mentioned Porter. I do know

639
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: where Porter ends up on. Here and Witherspoon are both

640
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: really really low. And if I'm starting a team, I'll

641
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: take ten of the guys we've mentioned already.

642
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: You know, you know, Joey Porter Junior or Michael Carter

643
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm taking.

644
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: Or Sante Samuel Junior. Yeah, I mean I'm taking Witherspoon

645
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: over those guys too. You know.

646
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Speaker 3: Twenty one is Devin Witherspoon.

647
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Speaker 1: I love him. He's a little small, but he is

648
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: nasty as can be. I think, you know, the Ravens

649
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator will get a lot out of him. I

650
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: think they're a little off on the Rooks.

651
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, especially since Brian Branch was so high. Yeah,

652
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: Brian Branch missed games last year too.

653
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love Branch.

654
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: I do too. I'm wanted the Steelers a draft Brian Branch.

655
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean I hate to say this now, but when

656
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: they were when Day one was over and a million

657
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: people asked me, who would you take with the first

658
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: pick of day two? I said Branch. I mean I

659
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: love Porter, I said Porter right behind him. I thought

660
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: they'd take Porter. I just think Branch is awesome. But

661
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm kind of right both ways. But I wouldn't trade

662
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: Porter for Branch now in not a thousand years.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two, Carlton Davis with the Lions.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Lions corners to start the show. They

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Speaker 1: drafted two and they traded for Davis. Yeah, Davis follows

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Speaker 1: ones a lot.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three. Stefan Gilmour.

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Speaker 1: Unsigned.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It might be the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that he's I mean, what is he

672
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: thirty four now? Yeah, he gave up seven and thirty

673
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: four yards last year. Yeah, since his rookie season. Like

674
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: that's kind of a lifetime achievement award for him to

675
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Speaker 3: be on there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the first chink in the armor. Again, if

677
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: you'd be the last.

678
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: If you tell me you can have Stephan Gilmore. We

679
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: got one game this Sunday. You can have Stefan Gilmour,

680
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: You can have Joey Porter junior.

681
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: Oh, it's not every team in the league with Tae Porter. Yeah,

682
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, and I'm not picking on him, but

683
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: that's if Patrick Peterson was in that spot one year ago.

684
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: That's goods. Yeah right, they're great players, great careers, but

685
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: you get old quick at the corner.

686
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: Twenty four Greg Newsom with the Browns. I think him

687
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: he's their slot.

688
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: He's their slot, but he could be an outside. He's

689
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: a little stuck in a bad spot. He is, you know,

690
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if I think he's up after this year,

691
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I could see him making big money as an outside

692
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: guy and doing well.

693
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 3: Twenty five is Tarik Woolan with the Seahawks.

694
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, more of a splash players a rookie, but he's

695
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: six ' four. Witherspoon's a better player. He took a

696
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: little bit of a step back his second year. People

697
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: were talking about Wooland after his rookie year, like, oh,

698
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: him and Sauce.

699
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna be in the top two in the

700
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: next decade. Yeah, I mean, he's fine, but he ain't saws.

701
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: Twenty six Roger McCreery with the Titans.

702
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: He's another guy that you'd love him. He's just tough,

703
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: but I mean he's not He's like a lesser version

704
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: of McDuffie. Does it all, but not a great athlete.

705
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: People aren't afraid to throw at him, you know.

706
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: H Twenty seven Derek Stingley with the Texans.

707
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: He could be three next year.

708
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: He could be.

709
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Been a little inconsistent. Yeah, he's had a hard time

710
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: staying in the field to start his career. And Lovey

711
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: Smith drafted him as a pure cover two corner, which

712
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: made no sense to me at all. With like the

713
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: third pick in the draft, he went ahead of Sauce right, Ivan,

714
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: him and Porter who was soon to come. I think

715
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: could be in the top seven or eight next year.

716
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: Twenty eight is Darius Slay with the Eagles.

717
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: And he may not find himself on this list next year.

718
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's strugling. Bradberry's on this list anymore.

719
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're getting to that.

720
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: He moved him to safety this week, Oh did they?

721
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's showing in the door.

722
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

723
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: Twenty nine Tyson Campbell with the Jaguars.

724
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: I'd probably have him higher. There's a lot of ability.

725
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: Well again, when you put all those slots on here, Yeah,

726
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: these guys get pushed down.

727
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Good point, good point, He's I think he's a number

728
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: one ish inconsistent though.

729
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. Thirty j C. Horn with the Panthers.

730
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: He's another one I think could be super high.

731
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: Can't stay healthy, They can't stay.

732
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: Healthy at all, right, but I think he's a great prospect,

733
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: but he shouldn't be a prospect still.

734
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

735
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: Thirty one Derom Bland with the Cowboys.

736
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: That's the Diggs Cowboys take the ball away pick six.

737
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Guy Whoopy doodle ding Dong.

738
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd probably both them on the list, but

739
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: they're not for me. Yeah.

740
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: And then thirty two is Joey Porter Junior, and I

741
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: think that is highly highly disrespectful and.

742
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: From what I remember, the write up makes them sound

743
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: like he's Rod Woodson and they still from thirty two. Yeah,

744
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: I mean they like their numbers are great.

745
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: For him, and he was following number ones yeah, yeah, and.

746
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't impress man, I mean all the hard stuff.

747
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, his coverage grades took a hit the last few

748
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: weeks of the season, but he was still providing separation

749
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: at a high level. Yeah, because he's following number ones.

750
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's following number ones, right, and there's very few

751
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: completions against him, very few touchdowns against them one touchdown,

752
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: one touchdown allowed following DeVante Adams and Jamar Chase, et cetera,

753
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: et cetera.

754
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: What is I don't get it.

755
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't I don't get it either. I continually get asked,

756
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, is the rest of the nation kind of

757
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: sleeping on Porter Junior? And I always answering Yes. One

758
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: of the things I cite right or wrong is because

759
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't a Week one starter, people kind of think

760
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: that he was late to the party.

761
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: But it's not like he wasn't playing.

762
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: He played every snap from like Week four on against

763
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: doing the hardest things of anybody on that list, or

764
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: as hard as anyone on that list.

765
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly, you know, if I were making this list,

766
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: he's probably like twelve.

767
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's top ten yet, but a

768
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: year from now, I bet he is, and I would

769
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: take him, not even like what he will be, but

770
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: what he is now? What would be last year with

771
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: so many of those guys. Yeah, there was a lot

772
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: arneyment on that list, and I mean they're just fine.

773
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: You know.

774
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: Again, would you rather have Rasul Douglas or Joey Porter Jr.

775
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: Right right, right, exactly. I mean they're not not even close, right,

776
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: And I think Dame Jackson could be on that list

777
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: next year if he gets a little bit of stability.

778
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean Dante jack I do that all the time

779
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: because they replaced Dante Jackson with Dane Jackson and and

780
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: traded for Deontae Johnson head. But no, I think he's

781
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: got a chance to be at the pass rush and

782
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: the pass rush stability solid good.

783
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be counting on that.

784
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not predicting it.

785
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like when we're talking about you know,

786
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: some of these other positions could be an you know,

787
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: defensive tackle list. If Porter makes a big rise up

788
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: this list, that's a that's a big deal.

789
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: No, that's a big deal, and he should be highing.

790
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: He's too short to begin with, but he I think

791
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: he'll be easily top twenty next year and maybe much higher.

792
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's one that that I definitely feel could

793
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: be different. But okay, so we've now seen a defensive

794
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: tackle two edge, two edge, a linebacker, and a cornerback.

795
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: Let's take a look and see the safety rankings when

796
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: we come back.

797
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: Real quick, I mean, if the genie comes out of

798
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: the bottle and says, Matt, you can trade Joey Porter

799
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: for any corner in the league, including age contract. That

800
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: list might be six guys.

801
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: Yes, not many guys, not many.

802
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's Sauce, it's I mean, it's certains. I mean,

803
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: it's the obvious ones. But in all things considered, I

804
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: think he's one of the most valuable corners in the league. Yeah,

805
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: it's six four.

806
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he looks maybe the guy looks the

807
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: most like Sauce Gardner on this list.

808
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: Yep. And length is so important. Yeah.

809
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Let's get to a break. When we come back,

810
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 3: we'll do those safety rankings. He is Matt Williamson. I'm

811
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Speaker 3: Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive around Steelers Nation Radio.

812
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Speaker 3: We'll be back to finish up the show right after this.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

814
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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

815
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

816
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale, Allie. He is the

817
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and Matt we're up to the safety rankings

818
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: here from Pro Football Focus. And this was a little

819
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: underwhelming it is.

820
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: And right before we hit record in this segment, we

821
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: were talking about, boy, the off of all linebackers weren't great.

822
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: This is maybe even worse. So I keep talking about

823
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: attacking linebackers, attacking the middle of the field because there's

824
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: not great players across the league there. And what the

825
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: Steelers do. They now have four linebackers you're really excited about,

826
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: and safety position looks very strong and obviously there's gonna

827
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: be a name on this list high on that list.

828
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, so middle of the field defense for the

829
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: Steelers got drastically better. And it's a weakness around the

830
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: league now, it really is. There's not much star power

831
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: and there's not much depth.

832
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: You see that as we go through this list. At

833
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: number one, they have Antoine Winfield Junior with the Bucks.

834
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's a case for Mica. I understand.

835
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: I know who the three are ahead of him, and

836
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: they all had better years than him. They're all ascending players.

837
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: Winfield's the highest paid defensive back in history. Folks, he

838
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: was a Steeler. You would adore him. I mean he

839
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: is a killer.

840
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. To Kyle Hamilton with the Ravens.

841
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, wants to hear this, but I think

842
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: he's on the verge of being a very special player.

843
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: He's six ' four, he can shut down tight ends,

844
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: he can play deep middle. He does it all and

845
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: they used him really, really well.

846
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player. He is three Jesse Bass

847
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: with the Falcons.

848
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, true centerfielder type. I think he's the only one

849
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: in the league that rivals Minca as a deep middle defender.

850
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: For is mega Fitzpatrick.

851
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: I guess he had somewhat of a down year. I mean,

852
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 1: injuries were play We talked about this an hour ago.

853
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: He had to put out fires all over the defense.

854
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I think he's the best safety in the league.

855
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, as they say here, his run defense grade still

856
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: finished above eighty point zero, which is really good. Yeah, yeah,

857
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: it's Fitzpatrick earned a coverage Glick grade below seventy for

858
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: just a second time in the past five seasons.

859
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: But he did a million different things.

860
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 3: You're great again. They're grades in coverage grades. I don't

861
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: believe right coverage grades in particular, you don't know who's

862
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: in coverage on.

863
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: That, especially with him. Was he playing robber? Is he

864
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: supposed to pass this guy off? I mean, all the

865
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: complex coverages I don't trust their coverage grades, and I've

866
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: said that forever. I like Pro Football Focus, but their

867
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: coverage grades are probably what I trust least.

868
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Number. Six Marcus Williams

869
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: with the Ravens.

870
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Another good deep middle guy that's a hard trait to find.

871
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: But missed time last year.

872
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he missed time too. But again, I think this

873
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: is when it starts realizing this list isn't that great.

874
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think once you get out of like the

875
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: top twelve, Yeah, it really falls off quickly.

876
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah you do.

877
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: Six Javon Holland with the Dolphins, a big vegan FOOTBA player.

878
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeahah, big fan.

879
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: Seven Derwin James with the Chargers.

880
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: He needs to get back to one or two and

881
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: a lot of that's health for me. And they are instituting.

882
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: We just talked about Hamilton Harbaugh goes over and of

883
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: course steals a bunch of Brother Harbaugh people. He's going

884
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: to be there, Hamilton. If he can do that kind

885
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: of stuff again as he did early in his career,

886
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: he'll get back on track as one of the best.

887
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: If not, he could fade away and be what could

888
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: have been, you.

889
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, right. Eight Xavier McKinney with the Packers.

890
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: Just made a fortune. I mean they probably overspent on him,

891
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: but he is a do at all as sending, really

892
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: good player.

893
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

894
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: Nine Kyle Duggar with the Patriots.

895
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his too, super combined guy

896
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: that went to a tiny school. Belichick at least had

897
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: him do a million different things. They franchised him this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

898
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 3: Crazy Yeah. Ten Tyram Mathow with the Saints.

899
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: Still drugging along. I mean it's put together quite the career.

900
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: Was he thirty three ish.

901
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: Something like that? He just turned in May?

902
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I don't know if he's a Hall of Famer.

903
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: Probably not, but yeah I would say not, Yeah, I

904
00:38:59,360 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: would say not.

905
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: Eleven Jabriel Peppers with the Patriots. This is where it

906
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 3: starts to go off the rails.

907
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Everyone remembers them coming out of Michigan. He was like

908
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: at the invited to the Heisman. And he's really had

909
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: one good year and it was this past year with Belichick.

910
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

911
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: Twelve Kevin Byerd with the Bears. It's kind of a

912
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: lifetime achievement.

913
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, he's going the wrong way. Yeah, I me

914
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: he's starting to bounce around the league a little bit.

915
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: Thirteen Taloano Halfango with the forty nine ers.

916
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: He was hurt a lot, I think this year. But yeah,

917
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: he's the one that gets to Paulamalu comparison, which is rich.

918
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: But had a great twenty two season but then barely

919
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: played last year.

920
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: He really shows up though. I mean he's got the

921
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: hair and he has that Troy Field to him.

922
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: Fourteen Buddha Baker with the Cardinals.

923
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: What kind of year he had, but he's making a

924
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: lot of money. He's one of their leaders. A little small,

925
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: of course.

926
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. He's the fourteenth best safety in the league.

927
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: And if he is, that kind of tells you. He

928
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 3: kind of tells you where safety's at in this league.

929
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's good. I mean to be a

930
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: lot of Baker jerseys if he was in black and gold.

931
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: But okay, I think people just like to say Buddha.

932
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: Uh Fifteen Malie Hooker with the Cowboys.

933
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: He's bounced around the league of fair amount. Yes, yeah,

934
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of ability there and put it together.

935
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: But uh sixteen is Harrison Smith with the Vikings. Also

936
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: like Bayer thirty five years old, declining. Yeah, you know,

937
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: he's gonna.

938
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Get some Hall of Fame consideration, but probably won't get in.

939
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: And you know.

940
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 3: Seventeen Read Blankenship with the Eagles.

941
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: He's the typical tryhard, doesn't run well, doesn't make any

942
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: false steps.

943
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: But no, nobody's afraid to plays.

944
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: Not like boy, we can't run a deep post read

945
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Blanket ships that like all right.

946
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: Eighteen Alloyd Gilman with the Chargers.

947
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: He was a name that we talked about when free

948
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: agency was around, that he would have been a number

949
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: two here at a decent price. You know, Okay, you know.

950
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: Their defense was awful last year. They have two edge rushers,

951
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: two safeties now to safety like on that list. Yeah,

952
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: their defense was a troth.

953
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: It was really bad. Yeah, they don't make defensive tackles

954
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: on the list.

955
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 3: I know that nineteen Josh Mattelis with the Vikings.

956
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: He's interesting because they asked him to do like nine

957
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: thousand things and he came from nowhere and coach Flores

958
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: used them really, really well. But it's he special, of course. No.

959
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: Twenty Geno Stone with the Bengals. I can't get over.

960
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: I can't get past watching Geno Stone get run over.

961
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I think again, last year I think his run defense

962
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: grade was horrible. It should be.

963
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: It's thirty four point two that was last among ninety

964
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: two qualifying safeties. And you're gonna tell me he's the

965
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: twentieth best safety in the league.

966
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean he was the Ravens' third safety in terms

967
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: of importance, and he had a lot of picks on

968
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: a really really good defense and everything else is back.

969
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: He's as jaggy as it gets.

970
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: Yep. Like the fact that the Bengals gave him big money.

971
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: He shouldn't scare Steeler fans. No, right, and I'm rooting

972
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: for him.

973
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: Is he good for him? Yeah, glad for him and

974
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: get paid. But man, make a play in the game. Yeah, don't.

975
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: Don't get drugs seventeen yards down the field.

976
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Now you get to play against Derrick Henry and nausey. Yeahyeah, right,

977
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: good luck with that. Yeah.

978
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 3: Twenty one Cameron Curl with the Rams.

979
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: He was a good story when they franchised him and

980
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: gave him good money in Washington, And okay, he's above

981
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: average starter.

982
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

983
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: Twenty two Grant delp It with the Browns. That's a

984
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: guy I like a lot. I loved him coming out

985
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: of school. Rangy might even have him higher.

986
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not such a fan of him.

987
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: He's great.

988
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: No, he's put it this way.

989
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: We we did some of.

990
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 3: Our shows last year. We did the preview shows, and

991
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: I can remember, you know, talking about the Browns Safeties,

992
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: just being kind of guys, what's promise? Yeah, and Browns

993
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: fans came out, Oh, you guys don't know anything about

994
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: Grant del but he's he's a star.

995
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: He's not a starar I like him a lot. I

996
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: mean I think he's have him a little higher on

997
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: that list, but a star no on this I mean,

998
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not going ahead of a LOADI Gilliman.

999
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: In Red Blanketship, Gino Stone, Yeah. Twenty three Trayvon Mowrigg

1000
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 3: with the Raiders.

1001
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: Another guy I liked a lot coming out of school

1002
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: and hasn't quite put it together. He has ability though.

1003
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 3: Twenty four Jimmy Ward with the Texans.

1004
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: I think he's getting old quick. I don't remember. I

1005
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: mean they did some stuff at Safety to kind of

1006
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: replace him. That's a little bit of a lifetime achievement.

1007
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1008
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 3: Twenty five cameraon Bryer and buying him with the Vikings.

1009
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: So the Vikings have three safeties, on this list, and

1010
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: they weren't a great deal and they were an awful defense.

1011
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know much about buying him, honestly.

1012
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I know who he is and he's okay.

1013
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 3: Twenty six Jalen Thompson with the Cardinals. Cardinals have two

1014
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: safeties on this list.

1015
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: I mean safeties are rough. I mean these guys are

1016
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: average starters. Yeah, we're in that neighborhood.

1017
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: Twenty seven Xavier Woods with the Panthers.

1018
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: Him and Brown are actually bright spots that you'd never

1019
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: know on a good on a terrible franchise right now,

1020
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: that are on the field all the time. Maybe I'd

1021
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: have him a little higher, but okay, I mean I'm

1022
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: pumping the guy up a little bit.

1023
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1024
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: Twenty eight is Julian in Love with the Seahawks, and

1025
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: I think that's too low on him. Yeah.

1026
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: I liked him. I liked him play a good play.

1027
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: He's not a bad player at all.

1028
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: No.

1029
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: I think that new coaching staff will get a lot

1030
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: out of him too.

1031
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 3: He was their best safety. Yes, the other guys were

1032
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 3: all making money.

1033
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 1: Even with Adam and all those guys.

1034
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1035
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: Twenty nine Jordan Battle with the Bengals.

1036
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: They're kind of replaced.

1037
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: They're trying to replace him. Yeah, he's on the He

1038
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: can't be a top twenty, top thirty two safety if

1039
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 3: there's if your own team is replacing you.

1040
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: You signed two safeties. Yeah yeah, I mean he's good

1041
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: against the run. I third round pick. That looks like

1042
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: a third round pick.

1043
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: Thirty Andre Cisco with the Jaguars, very splashy.

1044
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he makes plays.

1045
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: Thirty one is Darnell Savage with the Jaguars. Green Bay

1046
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 3: thought so much of him they let him go.

1047
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think he was real excited about playing

1048
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: the run late in his career in Green Bay. And

1049
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: those two safeties are volatile for the Jags.

1050
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that way. And then thirty two Von Bell with

1051
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: the Bengals. So they have the Bengals have three safeties

1052
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 3: on this.

1053
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: List, and their safety play was awful last year. Two

1054
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: of them are new. Okay, I mean, like Julian Blackman

1055
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: was on that list.

1056
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: Those guys that play, Yeah, I don't get it. I

1057
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: don't get it.

1058
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: A lot of free agents that we kind of talked about,

1059
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: and frankly, Justin Simmons should be on that list. I

1060
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: don't care if he has a team or not. I

1061
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: don't think we mentioned him.

1062
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just glancing here at the savage right up.

1063
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: The former first round pick had a breakout twenty twenty

1064
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: season that's one hundred years ago and rank seventeenth among safety.

1065
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: He's in PFF overall grade. But then you're in overall

1066
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: grades below the sixty mark in back to back seasons

1067
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: and was PFF's eighty seventh rank safety in twenty twenty two. Well,

1068
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: come on, guys, what are we doing here?

1069
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Well, one thing I have a problem with that sentence

1070
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: or that you know paragraph, is he had a breakout

1071
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: season to be the seventeenth best safety.

1072
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1073
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's your breakout for a first round pick,

1074
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: you're not aiming that high man. No, right, I don't

1075
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: think anybody really wanted to mix up the jag.

1076
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, the safety position is. Might it might be more

1077
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: shaping linebacker.

1078
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it is. I mean,

1079
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: from like ten on, we're all right, yeah, all right, Yeah,

1080
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: that's why not them got paid. Yes, I'm not saying

1081
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: they're all replaceable. There's just not a lot of quality there.

1082
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: There's just Yeah, it really isn't. That's one thing that's

1083
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 3: one there.

1084
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: That kind of telling though, when you see a list,

1085
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: and we can fight about the list, but just talking

1086
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: about the thirty two names they mention they don't scare

1087
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: many people. No, yeah, right, No, having a guy like

1088
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: Menka is an advantage. Most teams don't he.

1089
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: Well and at both of those positions. Now the Steelers

1090
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: have a guy who's in the in those top ten.

1091
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: Top six, I think, top yeah, yeah, yeah, so at

1092
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: the weakest positions out there.

1093
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're you're not and you're good up the

1094
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: middle of your of your defense.

1095
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: No, I mean, and I like the guy they signed

1096
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: as well, and I like the additions they made a

1097
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: linebacker and you know, so, yeah.

1098
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: Could Deshaun Elliott be on that list next year? Sure?

1099
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: I mean what that list was, yeah right, I mean,

1100
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: and and someone in Jackson Borisch be like Elliott at

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Speaker 1: twenty eight okay, okay, yeah, but he could bet there

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Speaker 1: just as easy as those dudes, you know, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But uh yeah, it's interesting to look at

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Speaker 3: the league as a whole that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in that regard where the Steelers stack up, and

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Speaker 1: you know what the divisions look like, and what positions

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Speaker 1: are strong and what aren't absolutely, but Matt, the thirty

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Speaker 1: third wide receivers probably better than the tenth safety.

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Speaker 3: Without a fiftieth receiver might be better than ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just kind of where the talent level is at in

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Speaker 3: the league. But that's going to do it for our

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Speaker 3: show today.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 1: Uh so nice interview. It was Cam day, Cam day.

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Speaker 3: All Caam, all Cam all the time, but the former

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Speaker 3: partner Met Williamson for Justin Miller here on site keeping

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Speaker 3: us on the air. I'm Dale, Lollie. We thank you

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Speaker 3: for listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 3: Nation Radio.