Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Salli and Chris
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Speaker 1: till then. kJ Live. Today's guest on the show. There's
Speaker 1: a world renowned basketball still specialist that works from the
Speaker 1: highest levels of the game. He is a former player,
Speaker 1: he's coached the game, and he is regarded as just
Speaker 1: absolutely one of the finest trainers there is. Let's welcome
Speaker 1: in Olan Simplest to the show. Big Olan, what's up, man?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Man? Appreciate you having me, Man, I
Speaker 1: appreciate I appreciate you taking the time out of your
Speaker 1: busy schedule. Bro, I know this is We've been trying
Speaker 1: to get this done for over a year or about
Speaker 1: a year since I jumped into this, man. So finally,
Speaker 1: finally I got the man, the myth, the legend on
Speaker 1: right now. I know, I finally got the invite. No, Man,
Speaker 1: that's what I ain't try that. I didn't try that, Brad,
Speaker 1: I didn't try that. But hey, hey, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: you're here now and listen for sure. Listen, man, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a hot time of the year n C
Speaker 1: double A March madness. Man, I just kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to jump into it. Man, Jules Bernard over to u
Speaker 1: C l A. As a player that you worked with.
Speaker 1: He has been outstanding, out ending during the tournament and
Speaker 1: sort of sort of the last part, I just wanted
Speaker 1: you to talk about Jules development where he you know,
Speaker 1: when you first started working with him, to where he
Speaker 1: is now. Um, I mean, Jules has always been a
Speaker 1: dynamic player, you know, but when you get to college,
Speaker 1: things change and sometimes you gotta play a role, you know,
Speaker 1: because in high school he was do it all and
Speaker 1: then after a couple of years, you now have to
Speaker 1: conform and try to be a star in your role.
Speaker 1: And basically I told him, man, you know, our goal
Speaker 1: honestly is to be the best player we can in
Speaker 1: the position he's at right now with u C l A.
Speaker 1: But also put him in the best position to when
Speaker 1: his opportunity come next level, Um, he can maximize it.
Speaker 1: So you know, some guys, some guys get drafted to
Speaker 1: in that top ten area to do everything. Some guys
Speaker 1: plug and play, Like right now, Jews, you can plug
Speaker 1: and play him anyway. You can catch your shoot he
Speaker 1: can run the point guard if you need, can guard
Speaker 1: multiple position. So basically we scale back. You know, when
Speaker 1: you get guys, guys in that arena where you know
Speaker 1: they were caught upon to do a lot when they
Speaker 1: were younger, sometimes it's hard to have that conversation and like,
Speaker 1: look right now, let's focus on your shooting. Let's focus
Speaker 1: on being the best perimeter shooter we can be. And
Speaker 1: then one of three dribbles simplified less as more than
Speaker 1: obviously be a terror on defense UM and then just
Speaker 1: evolved from there. So in the past couple years, we've
Speaker 1: just spent a lot of time refining his shot, you know,
Speaker 1: and shooting a lot of shots that he takes in
Speaker 1: the game, but then also the shots that he'll get
Speaker 1: eventually at the next level when his time come. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of corner threes, short drifts, you know, just
Speaker 1: playing off learning how to play off stars. You know,
Speaker 1: because Jusan is the guy and Hokas is a guy
Speaker 1: that you know, the offense is pretty predicated for UM
Speaker 1: and just you know, fit a role because that what
Speaker 1: he's doing translate next level. I personally feel UM and
Speaker 1: so I saw man simplifies game and less it's more
Speaker 1: and and be a star in that role. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of guys getting paid um to be stars,
Speaker 1: you know in their role Josh hard types, Norman power
Speaker 1: types that can do a little bit better everything, tough
Speaker 1: nos defenders, and then as they get their opportunity, then
Speaker 1: you evolve your role. But that's who I envisioned him
Speaker 1: kind of being like um is those type dudes, and
Speaker 1: then just evolved from there somebody else you you work
Speaker 1: with on the NBA level, Spencer did what did with he? Uh?
Speaker 1: He's been playing well after the trade of Dallas, Um
Speaker 1: kind of found I won't say a new life, but
Speaker 1: just another pepper this step. Talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: Spencer man and just his evolution and why how did
Speaker 1: you get so that the red dude he's knocking down
Speaker 1: all that man that that ain't nothing for him, No, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's something he's been doing his entire life. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it starts, you know, at
Speaker 1: an early age, putting guys in adverse situations. You know,
Speaker 1: when I got him at eleven. You know his parents,
Speaker 1: we do our best to pull kids and and do
Speaker 1: our best for him and and and give them everything
Speaker 1: they want. Spencer was a ladera kid you know, like
Speaker 1: nice Lida and very skilled. So I I used to
Speaker 1: pluck them, pick him up and take him to the
Speaker 1: neighborhood and play and get beat up on so because
Speaker 1: I think, if you don't have grit and that type
Speaker 1: of confidence, it don't matter how skilled you are. So
Speaker 1: it started there. Then he was always doubted, even at
Speaker 1: taff You know, eventually cracked the taff Is junior year.
Speaker 1: But I remember a sophomore year, um, uh, Mark Jacksonson
Speaker 1: checked in. I always forget this kid's name, another guard
Speaker 1: from Loyola. You know, there's recruiting over him, but he
Speaker 1: had a monster sophomore into the junior you had to
Speaker 1: play him, and he still wasn't highly recruited. I mean,
Speaker 1: he got recruited to a certain level. Um, let's let's
Speaker 1: go back a little bit. Then he was placed on
Speaker 1: the Pump second team. Um, and he took that team,
Speaker 1: and that team ended up being the best team for
Speaker 1: the Pumps. They want Super sixty four. So he's always
Speaker 1: been a winner, man, and and he's always carried a
Speaker 1: certain chip on his shoulder, and even now you know
Speaker 1: it's there, but he that's just something that's that's happened
Speaker 1: from early. You know, that was that was instilled in
Speaker 1: him from early. You know, I remember when Kevin O'Neill
Speaker 1: first got the job at USC, he invited a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that was in the basketball you know circle
Speaker 1: to his house. You know, had a cool spread. We
Speaker 1: ate watch the USC football game. Then we started talking basketball.
Speaker 1: And that was before social media was what it is now.
Speaker 1: So guys knew I trained Spencer. They just didn't know
Speaker 1: to what extent because you didn't see it to a
Speaker 1: man man. And I'm not gonna say coaches name because
Speaker 1: I was respectful a lot of coaches, but let's just
Speaker 1: say all the top he you coaches and guys in
Speaker 1: the business, like Man Taff has a hundred Spencers walking
Speaker 1: on campus when they were talking about players. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and that's fueling me, fueling me, fueling me. But
Speaker 1: that was the type of stuff that he dealt with.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was I think he was a fifth
Speaker 1: point guardener's class in California. I mean, you had Alexis
Speaker 1: Mori at Long Beach Party. You had the kids that
Speaker 1: went to Campbell Hall on Austin McBroom Caesar, Uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the one that's uh had a very good following Ball
Speaker 1: is life, and I forget there was one more guard.
Speaker 1: All them guys got recruited over him, and you know,
Speaker 1: so it was kind of came down to Colorado on
Speaker 1: Harvard Man we went, We went to Colorado. Rest is history,
Speaker 1: you know. So um, but he's always been doubted. He's
Speaker 1: always been not in that chip has always been there,
Speaker 1: even even this year. You know, he went to Washington. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, got a good contract and I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened internally, but people forget. When they started the season,
Speaker 1: Washing was one of the top teams in the East.
Speaker 1: And I was early, like the first twelve games or so,
Speaker 1: and he was doing exceptional and and you know, just
Speaker 1: some internal stuff. I can't speak on it. He had,
Speaker 1: you know, he really doesn't you know, let me in.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't one thing he doesn't do well. He
Speaker 1: doesn't perform well in those types of environments. He he's
Speaker 1: a structure type dude. He can he can freelancing rock.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, things happened, and I
Speaker 1: think it took some of his zeal away, you know
Speaker 1: from playing. So like you know, he got a fresh
Speaker 1: start now. But people think that he was struggling to watch.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was struggle. There was some games
Speaker 1: where he just wasn't happy and then played to his level.
Speaker 1: But when Bradley Bill wasn't. I think he averaged eight
Speaker 1: for like thirteen games, and even some games when Bradley
Speaker 1: was there he had he had some game winners as well.
Speaker 1: He but you know, just always being doubted man, and
Speaker 1: he just carries that chip. And he's one of the
Speaker 1: ultimate confident guys. You know that you will meet as well,
Speaker 1: so you know, carring the chip and confidence, you know ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you had you know, one thing I say about you,
Speaker 1: it's funny, you know you you always had that chip
Speaker 1: as a player, uh, even as a as a as
Speaker 1: as a trainer. Man, What when did you get started
Speaker 1: as far as working with players and when did you
Speaker 1: decide you wanted to be a skills guy? Man? When
Speaker 1: I was sixteen years old? Oh man, I wouldn't say skills.
Speaker 1: I want to be a coach, a mentor. I was
Speaker 1: six team bro and and me and my high school
Speaker 1: coach got into a situation my senior year and I
Speaker 1: walked off the bench, sat in the stands and needless
Speaker 1: to say, you know, everybody that was recruiting me turn
Speaker 1: their back. It's not like now where you have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to redeem itself because social media, like, you know,
Speaker 1: they come out to the West Coast. You know, when
Speaker 1: you start to say, you know there's an East Coast bias,
Speaker 1: the scouts and something don't come out here is often.
Speaker 1: So you know, guys come out here. And I happen
Speaker 1: to walk off the bench in a big game and
Speaker 1: everyone was pretty much there and that was it. I
Speaker 1: just said, man, I want to do someone. My time
Speaker 1: is done. I don't know it to be cut so short.
Speaker 1: Um to take the young old and under his wing
Speaker 1: and teach him, you know, single mother, teach him, you know,
Speaker 1: the dudes and don'ts and how to deal with certain things,
Speaker 1: because man, no one can tell me anything. When I
Speaker 1: was younger, I was a hothhead um. But a lot
Speaker 1: of that stem from everything I got I earned. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't do AU. I didn't know what AU was.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm a kid from Belize and my mother,
Speaker 1: you know, moved, We moved from different parts of the
Speaker 1: cities as her job got better, and I was just
Speaker 1: a park kid. I just happened to play in some
Speaker 1: of the most competitive parts. And you know, some of
Speaker 1: my men, like basketball guys. I played against league dudes,
Speaker 1: you know, Sean Higgins, Chris Mills, dudes like that, um,
Speaker 1: you know. And then we the park I grew at
Speaker 1: the year that I finally played high school, my junior year,
Speaker 1: like the fifteen All City Guys twelve over was from
Speaker 1: the park that I was at. So just what park
Speaker 1: was Robertson Park? Yeah for sure, for sure? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know Tina Thompsons and robbers Park, Nick
Speaker 1: Young from Robertson Park, Kevin Ollie that played the Crunchhaw
Speaker 1: for years, Robinson Park, Bert Harris, I mean you know we,
Speaker 1: I mean we Marlon Gardnett, we can go down, you know,
Speaker 1: like like that small, little little park man and we
Speaker 1: just used to hoop, you know. But that's that's where
Speaker 1: that that that that toughness and that ship come from.
Speaker 1: And then when we played there was no When I
Speaker 1: did play some club here and there with like some
Speaker 1: local teams that I don't remember, twel of you thirteen
Speaker 1: youth fortune if you're in elementary and that starts second grade,
Speaker 1: you're playing against sixth grades when you're in middle school,
Speaker 1: seventh you play it because what's the ninth? Back then? Ninth?
Speaker 1: So you know, ship we played against men when we
Speaker 1: were younger. And like I said, man, seeing you know,
Speaker 1: not having a dad, I think subconsciously because you know,
Speaker 1: I saw you and you with your pops. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people give Ball a lot of love, which
Speaker 1: is great, but he wasn't the first dad to be
Speaker 1: involved with his kids. Now, like when I Charles abandoned,
Speaker 1: dad was around, Toby barely, dad was around. Your dad
Speaker 1: was around. You know, I didn't grow up with the holidays.
Speaker 1: But I'm seeing this, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm here. I gotta do my own ship.
Speaker 1: Bert Harris's dad was around, said every dude that was
Speaker 1: killing when I played, dad was around. So you know,
Speaker 1: may not have been as vocal and outspoken as the
Speaker 1: ball dad, but y'all dad's was around, and and that's huge,
Speaker 1: you know. So and I carried that chip man. I
Speaker 1: found out late. I didn't found out a self assessed
Speaker 1: you know, because even well into my thirties, even after
Speaker 1: I was done playing, man, it's I just had this
Speaker 1: this anger, bro and and not and I'm not knocking
Speaker 1: my mother. She did a great fucking job. She raised
Speaker 1: a kid that I had a son at twenty. That's why,
Speaker 1: that's why I really stopped playing. You know. I just
Speaker 1: went to school at that point to get a degree,
Speaker 1: and I played, but I didn't work out in the
Speaker 1: summers because at to work. You know, I'm a fucking
Speaker 1: college kid playing ball with with a son. Um. But
Speaker 1: my mother did a great job. She got my my
Speaker 1: younger brother, Ship Stanford graduate doing well, you know, an
Speaker 1: investment investmentary, and I I called myself a success, you know,
Speaker 1: and I making millions. No, but Ship, I coach kids.
Speaker 1: Ment I'm helping other motherckers make millions. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: So my mother did great. But I think it was
Speaker 1: just because I grew up in that basketball environment and
Speaker 1: I just used to see like, damn, I don't have it.
Speaker 1: I don't have that uncle. You know. I had eight
Speaker 1: outs on, no uncles, you know. So the basketball actually
Speaker 1: was what taught me life, how to be on time,
Speaker 1: how to be a man, how to be accountable, how
Speaker 1: to work hard, how to so basketball that roundball was
Speaker 1: my dad. So I was real passionate about that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So anybody to try to take it away from me
Speaker 1: or say something slick. You know it got it, got it,
Speaker 1: got weird. So so I knew it. You know. Back
Speaker 1: to your original question, man, I knew as six team
Speaker 1: man when that happened, fume, and then ship happened. I
Speaker 1: came back, finished my senior year, but it wasn't you
Speaker 1: know what it is? What it is, and had my
Speaker 1: son after my freshman year of juko and basketball at
Speaker 1: that point was a tool. But I'm passionate about this
Speaker 1: ship bro still you know, no, no, no doubt. Man.
Speaker 1: But was there somebody whole back then, like in your
Speaker 1: in your old head, or maybe somebody that you respected
Speaker 1: when you were sixteen that kind of tried to talk
Speaker 1: sense into you and tried to be divorceing? Is who
Speaker 1: was that? Who was that? Jeff Perry Um, he ran
Speaker 1: this program called West Side Blazers, Him and Bennie him
Speaker 1: and Benny Devin coord That's when I started playing. Hey,
Speaker 1: That's how I got to Palisades because Jeff Perry and
Speaker 1: Coach Polino were high school teammates in Hamilton's. So Jeff
Speaker 1: saw me at Robertson Park was like, man, can play
Speaker 1: with you know can play with my squad. I show up, Man,
Speaker 1: it's me this dude day Ryn, you know, big day Ryn,
Speaker 1: and went to Washington. Yeah. And then another car was
Speaker 1: a small little a youth team man going through going
Speaker 1: through cats, you know. So like I played a youth
Speaker 1: for a little bit, but it wasn't a national let
Speaker 1: me tell you how ignorant I was. But I got
Speaker 1: invited at abc D camp. I didn't go. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I want to work out. I'm gonna stay. Like I
Speaker 1: didn't know really understood what that was, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like I went to Michigan's. Um.
Speaker 1: Michigan invited me down to do their like elite camp
Speaker 1: was me, Charlie Miller, Trajan Langdon, a young Robert Trailer
Speaker 1: and then they had this juno all American. So is
Speaker 1: that they camp and then they would keep us us
Speaker 1: five to stay to stay at night and play against
Speaker 1: Sea Webb and them. But that was that was the
Speaker 1: only thing I actually did as far as camp, I
Speaker 1: did Superstar did I did um the one in Santa
Speaker 1: Barbara Superstar camp. I think it's Superstar toward that, But
Speaker 1: the only thing I did was Michigan, you know, because
Speaker 1: I was a big like Sean Higgins was the neighborhood kids.
Speaker 1: So that's where I wanted to go, and that's where
Speaker 1: I said I was going, and you know, things happened
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. So yeah, man, not
Speaker 1: Jeff Perry. Man. Jeff Perry was a good dude. But Jeff,
Speaker 1: you know, I had his life, you know, um ship.
Speaker 1: When I moved out the neighborhood, you know, I moved
Speaker 1: to the West Side. We wasn't as in touch, but
Speaker 1: he would come to games and stuff a little bit.
Speaker 1: But my eighth grade, ninth grade, because ninth grade was
Speaker 1: still middle school. Then for me, you know, he he
Speaker 1: was that guy, was that guy, and you went on
Speaker 1: and then you ended up playing for Jeff's high school teammate,
Speaker 1: James Polino at Palisades. You all city, right, yeah? You
Speaker 1: all all city there? Then then did you have scholarship
Speaker 1: offers coming out or who was recruiting you? Right? Did
Speaker 1: that night? And I was now after my so only
Speaker 1: played a year and a half of high schoolball. Junior year.
Speaker 1: My junior year was my first year plan high schoolball,
Speaker 1: and every time I stepped on the court, my first
Speaker 1: game was against the morning side five, you know, thirty plus.
Speaker 1: Then I turned around. You know, I'm playing State with
Speaker 1: State's garden, with States Guarden. You stay stay split my lip.
Speaker 1: He went through my lip. But back then we still play,
Speaker 1: you know, like he, I didn't know who these dudes.
Speaker 1: I didn't know none of the names. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know none of that. I stepped on the court, coach
Speaker 1: that this is such a such played Charles O'Bannon multiple times.
Speaker 1: You know. In the city, Uh, y'all always loaded three
Speaker 1: four or five Division one guys, even the low level
Speaker 1: city teams. Not low level it was four A three
Speaker 1: Back then, Hamilton's had three three four Division one, University
Speaker 1: three four Division one venice high like ven as. I
Speaker 1: had hid that played the wing that played football for
Speaker 1: you guys, Um Larry McGowan. I'm I'm hoping I'm remember
Speaker 1: some of these names. But Fairfax, wester Fairfax, west Chester,
Speaker 1: Manuel was our league. You don't average twenty twelve and
Speaker 1: six and no one's looking at you now. I was
Speaker 1: getting I was getting heavily recruited. You know, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a national name. I didn't have and I think, if
Speaker 1: I want to a B c D. It would have
Speaker 1: changed the name when it became national. I was under
Speaker 1: the radar recruit getting recruited by a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. When I walked off the bench,
Speaker 1: it was it was putting the papers olden like when
Speaker 1: I came back for that tournament. Then I quit and
Speaker 1: I came back like a month later when the league started,
Speaker 1: but Olan benched for disciplinary actions. You know, I ain't
Speaker 1: no one recruiting a six to guard man that perceived
Speaker 1: to have a crazy attitude, you know, and they don't
Speaker 1: get eyes on you as consistently as they do now.
Speaker 1: So you know, it is what it is. It is,
Speaker 1: It is it Life takes us. You know, we gotta
Speaker 1: take different paths, you know what I'm saying. So and
Speaker 1: so after high school and you get to around twenty
Speaker 1: and you have Khalil right, talk about just your thought
Speaker 1: process and just kind of growing up kind of fast
Speaker 1: being a man. I mean, I had a kid when
Speaker 1: I was with twenty one, so I get how that is.
Speaker 1: When you have this idea of how your life wants
Speaker 1: to you want your life to play out, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have something to deal with
Speaker 1: how did you rebound? Uh respond to that? Hey, man, Look,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people have excuses. Brother, You know, Man,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a dad, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys I didn't take care of the kids. You know
Speaker 1: that Man Khalil changed my life. You know, the moment
Speaker 1: my lady at the time was pregnant, it was full
Speaker 1: speed ahead, you know, three sixty instantly, you know, because
Speaker 1: I had I had a gap, a gap here. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to school because like off basketball, I
Speaker 1: wasn't running the streets, but I was kind of running
Speaker 1: the streets a little bit, you know, just doing stupid it.
Speaker 1: You know we do growing up. Um Man Khalil save
Speaker 1: my life. You know. Uh so from day one, you know, ship,
Speaker 1: I got back in school part time. Um raising was
Speaker 1: working a couple of jobs. And when he got about
Speaker 1: one twish. I'm trying to remember the time. You know,
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, Will that used to be
Speaker 1: the coach, the girls coach at Dorsey for years. He
Speaker 1: went over the trade teking was assistant said, man, come on,
Speaker 1: we got a spot for you. You know, they worked
Speaker 1: with me. I couldn't make every practices because that job,
Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten shape. It was all state j
Speaker 1: C U C Riverside and some other schools recruited me.
Speaker 1: Um so I chose U C Riverside because that add
Speaker 1: to live in More Valley could help me with my kids.
Speaker 1: So you know, that was it. You know, I got
Speaker 1: back in school. Man, just really a good a degree,
Speaker 1: you know. And and after that, I played for my
Speaker 1: national team. I did that a couple of summers, um
Speaker 1: I got. I got a South America deal out of
Speaker 1: that because we played in Venezuelan. But then it was
Speaker 1: I don't want to be away from my son, so
Speaker 1: I stopped really hooping. Man, Like twenty three, it was
Speaker 1: like like yeah, I mean even two months was too
Speaker 1: long to three months short if it was short stints.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even playing the Drew League that much. Man,
Speaker 1: I probably played ten games. I'd make a see. But
Speaker 1: you know, because on the weekends I started coaching. I
Speaker 1: was working coaching, developed camps, clinics, and you know the
Speaker 1: rest is history. My weekends was gone and during the
Speaker 1: week I'm with my kids. So being a dad twenty
Speaker 1: fully committed, and you know, and you know, obviously my
Speaker 1: mother helped me out, and what have you but you know,
Speaker 1: she didn't bail me out. She helped me out, and
Speaker 1: I just you know, it just rolled from there and
Speaker 1: it's been the best thing that ever happened to me,
Speaker 1: you know, because I ain't no telling. I think I'd
Speaker 1: be in a strait jacket somewhere as passionate as we
Speaker 1: are about who if I knew that my walking off
Speaker 1: the bench, you know, but the walking off the bench
Speaker 1: kept me in l A, keeping me in l A.
Speaker 1: I met Khalil's mom, and I had Khalil. If that
Speaker 1: didn't happen, I'd be like, damn, what would have? Could
Speaker 1: have should or would have? You know, that probably would
Speaker 1: have haunted me forever. So how the one away to college,
Speaker 1: there is no Khalil. So you know, things happen, bro
Speaker 1: and I've just been moving ever since, you know, and
Speaker 1: trying to be the best person I can be, Stay
Speaker 1: true to who I am, stay true to the game
Speaker 1: and character, and keep my character in check. You know,
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Speaker 1: listen live a well At what point during the coaching
Speaker 1: and mentoring of the youngster journey did you start to
Speaker 1: train like pros and did you start flipping to NBA
Speaker 1: and college because or did you come into the game
Speaker 1: doing that. No, man, I came into the game to
Speaker 1: make a difference, you know, like I have more joy
Speaker 1: coaching kids and I do like a lot of people
Speaker 1: got this twisted, you know, and I've and I know
Speaker 1: in l A there's a lot of backbiting and it's competitive,
Speaker 1: and so things are stated and said, I have more
Speaker 1: joy coaching the little kids and I do pro guys.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I make more money coaching the pro guys.
Speaker 1: But I didn't get into this game to be a
Speaker 1: millionaire like now at forty six, Like, yeah, let me
Speaker 1: be more business savvy and that's what you know I'm
Speaker 1: working on. But up until now, it's let me make
Speaker 1: an impact. So back to back to what you stated. Man.
Speaker 1: So I was twenty one, and this is how it
Speaker 1: all started, Like how it fools this true story, bro,
Speaker 1: and you know, these names just crazy. At one is
Speaker 1: when I got invited to play for Police national team.
Speaker 1: So I was getting ready to go there for the summer.
Speaker 1: So I'm working out at this part Westwood Westwood Park,
Speaker 1: and U c l a working out. I get kicked
Speaker 1: off the court by this a little short white guy,
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, we got the court. I'm heated,
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm a middle work out. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm all right. So I started stretching. I see this
Speaker 1: little old team walking and and this is when a
Speaker 1: you really got introduced to me. I saw this little
Speaker 1: old team walking in and then they started warming up,
Speaker 1: and I saw like a high school group walking, like
Speaker 1: high school level looking guys, and they're warming up on
Speaker 1: the other side, and I'm like, I noticed in the
Speaker 1: same age, not even close. So I watched the first half. Man,
Speaker 1: that a little peanut head kid killing the high school dude.
Speaker 1: I busting their ass. Beginning, I said, I'm a stay
Speaker 1: beginning second half, when the other kids hit him in
Speaker 1: his mouth for the elbow, he lost his cool, was
Speaker 1: done for the game. So I was. I was sitting
Speaker 1: around because it brought it brought me back, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, walking off the bench, giving somebody power
Speaker 1: over my mind and making that air right. So I
Speaker 1: caught him at the water. I said, man, don't ever
Speaker 1: let nobody take this away, bro, once this is gone,
Speaker 1: it's a wrap. And I'm in twenty one years old
Speaker 1: telling his kids. So the little white coat and hey, man,
Speaker 1: know what did you say to him? I said, I
Speaker 1: basically told him, you know, a game, a quick, my
Speaker 1: story real quick, and then don't ever let no one
Speaker 1: take this away because you know, once you lose this,
Speaker 1: it's over. So it happened to be John Fisher, who
Speaker 1: runs um who masters, and the little kid was getting
Speaker 1: through it on this team. On his team was Trevor Reason.
Speaker 1: Trevor wasn't as nice as gave at the time, so
Speaker 1: John asked me, man, like, yo, I know your story, man,
Speaker 1: you'd be great. Like man, your game was really good.
Speaker 1: If you ever have any time, man, I love for
Speaker 1: you to come down to the gym talk to these kids,
Speaker 1: even you know do so. I mean, I said, now
Speaker 1: for sure, any time. I love too. That was the
Speaker 1: start because that's something I wanted to do. He said,
Speaker 1: what you're doing to night? I said, uh, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: much done for to day. Man. You know I got
Speaker 1: a kid. I'm gonna go home special the top of
Speaker 1: my son. He was like, man, if you got time, man,
Speaker 1: I got this work out of uni high school, I said, bro,
Speaker 1: I stayed right down the street. I'm there, what's time.
Speaker 1: So that turned into something I did in the summer
Speaker 1: for a couple of years when I came home from college.
Speaker 1: And when I came on from college, he braasically gave
Speaker 1: me that team. You know, that summer he gave me
Speaker 1: that team. So I had Trevor, gave a couple other
Speaker 1: kids man, and I was coaching a little hoop Master
Speaker 1: team kicking people. But so that was the introduction to
Speaker 1: a you and training. So then when I was done
Speaker 1: with college, I came back work for John a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I was still training Trevor and Gabe through high
Speaker 1: school and when they got to college. And so those
Speaker 1: are my first two pros. But I started with them
Speaker 1: at what they were like fifth sixth grade. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know then I finished finished up school and
Speaker 1: came back home and you know, I, you know, I
Speaker 1: was still around. But you know, whence guys go to
Speaker 1: college back then, and Gabe got Boston, Uh, Trevor was
Speaker 1: New York, got drafted by New York, you lose contact.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was young and I couldn't really
Speaker 1: move anyway. So it was my goal was never training
Speaker 1: pros because I wasn't available to be there like how
Speaker 1: I am now, So I just developed guys. Man. Then
Speaker 1: I started the clinic at Pali as funny, coach Polino
Speaker 1: reached out to me and said, man, I see your training. Man,
Speaker 1: I could give you gym time on the weekends in return,
Speaker 1: would you help me with my program? So I started
Speaker 1: coaching at Pali, you know, and build this clinic and Palisades,
Speaker 1: and man, I had everybody driving up that pcation come
Speaker 1: get it, you know, and it's and you evolved and
Speaker 1: be evolved even more and more people started being possessive.
Speaker 1: So at one point, man, I had all the kids
Speaker 1: compter Magic call Supreme Pumps, this that. Then I started
Speaker 1: a little team b FT and we were doing well
Speaker 1: and we out there beating some of these teams. These
Speaker 1: kids no longer came because you know, the guys are
Speaker 1: worried that I may recruit their players or what have you.
Speaker 1: But now man started with hoop Masters, and I started
Speaker 1: doing clinics in Palisades and not Man, man, I have
Speaker 1: It's funny. I was on YouTube the other day and
Speaker 1: and I had the gym seventy eight kids every weekend,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was it was nuts. It was
Speaker 1: a great clinic. It was a great clinic. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. Let me ask you this. You have
Speaker 1: an obvious passion for coaching. How why didn't the journey
Speaker 1: take you down the coaching you know, the coaching path.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it uh, It's something
Speaker 1: that I still pondered till this day. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like I looked back on I think the one mistake
Speaker 1: I made. No one's gonna love our kids like we do.
Speaker 1: And when my son got to high school, I said
Speaker 1: I was done. I want to be a dad and
Speaker 1: I want to sit on the sideline. He had a
Speaker 1: good high school career. You know, some injuries is but
Speaker 1: he had some moments where he was getting highly recruited
Speaker 1: and you know, Frank and Joel and them dubbed him
Speaker 1: as one of the top guards in his class. But
Speaker 1: he had injury. So it was working. But some of
Speaker 1: these injuries he got probably wouldn't have happened becau. There's
Speaker 1: no how to have my son going sixteen guys and
Speaker 1: six nine guys and he's junior year. He was stuck
Speaker 1: going a lot of bigs and that's when he had
Speaker 1: to show the stuff. But back to the coach, and
Speaker 1: it's like, Man, I was nervous. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a dad. When I looked back on it, Man, all
Speaker 1: them kids I was training, and when I was coaching
Speaker 1: my my situation, my BFT teams. Man, I was smashing guys,
Speaker 1: you know, because we preach accountability. You and I don't
Speaker 1: care who you are men, We're defending baseline, the baseline.
Speaker 1: I got a video on on YouTube that Marty Wilson uploaded.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about. Man. I had this little old
Speaker 1: team with my son and a couple of young guys,
Speaker 1: and he took one of my bigs from me, Ryan
Speaker 1: Silver at the time, took this kid named Chauncey Hill
Speaker 1: that I I evolved and by the time it's a
Speaker 1: ninth grade, was a top twenty kid in the country.
Speaker 1: Then he digressed. But we smack pumps about thirty with
Speaker 1: some no name kids because they're like yo. But the
Speaker 1: kids all got named Arafa because I didn't have kids
Speaker 1: do all these camps in middle school, so nobody really
Speaker 1: knew of them. But when they got to high school,
Speaker 1: they all wherever they went, they cooked and then they
Speaker 1: got their stuff. But now Mantil this day, I'm still
Speaker 1: thinking about it. It's something I want to do. I
Speaker 1: was telling my wife, like, I really want to coach
Speaker 1: one day. So I'm back helping Steve Smith at Oakwood.
Speaker 1: I'm his assistant. Um. But to to like fully answer
Speaker 1: the question, I didn't have time to be a full
Speaker 1: time head to each other, you know, as a full
Speaker 1: time dad. So I built my business where I really
Speaker 1: didn't work that much. Monday through Friday. Who had a
Speaker 1: clinic on Saturday, Sundays and Monday night. So I worked
Speaker 1: six to eight hours a week may of living and
Speaker 1: I just emails and stuff like that. But and then
Speaker 1: I was Palino's assistant. But if I didn't show up,
Speaker 1: I didn't show up. You know, if if you the
Speaker 1: head coach, you don't show up, like you know, it
Speaker 1: don't work. So you know, Khalil was Khalil was the
Speaker 1: main reason. But I still kind of want to jump
Speaker 1: in it. Man, it's it's it's something that's fine to
Speaker 1: tell him if it's it's itching, Like you know, I
Speaker 1: helped I helped out Oakwood this year and Steve Smith
Speaker 1: does a great job. And you know, um, I'm now
Speaker 1: I'm back in the game because my stepson is starting
Speaker 1: to like basketball. So I'm going to sit around whatch
Speaker 1: she's a little eight year old kids playing like you know.
Speaker 1: It may be my retirement plan, you know, where I'm
Speaker 1: just training in the summers, not doing it and just coaching.
Speaker 1: But it's something I definitely want to do because I
Speaker 1: think I'm a better coach than I am a train Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now coaching on the girl's side of the boys said,
Speaker 1: I know you're very passionate about the girls game. You
Speaker 1: recently called the Open you called the Open Division Championship.
Speaker 1: You work obviously with a lot of w NBA players,
Speaker 1: and you have you have a girl's women's basketball wing
Speaker 1: to the oldan simplest you know vehicle, uh called Girls Rock.
Speaker 1: Just just talk about that, your passion for women's basketball. Man.
Speaker 1: Look here, man, I I actually have more joy training
Speaker 1: women that I do. Man, bro. You know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with our kids
Speaker 1: are being told how great they are ten eleven to
Speaker 1: a thirteen, you know, with the old Twitter universe, these
Speaker 1: EBC camps and so when they can be big, athletic,
Speaker 1: all the above, but it's still ten eleven to thirteen
Speaker 1: fourteen in the mind. Man, when they turn a few
Speaker 1: things says, you can't tell these kids ship, and so
Speaker 1: I don't deal with it. I don't need how school
Speaker 1: superstars in l A. I don't get a lot of
Speaker 1: top kids anymore because I don't need it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't need you for a resume builder. You know,
Speaker 1: not to sound arrogant, but I want the kid that's
Speaker 1: gonna work hard in respect. You know the value that
Speaker 1: I bring, You know what. I so give me the
Speaker 1: kid that's terrible. What's gonna respect my time? And I
Speaker 1: ain't gotta deal with women don't have that, so they're hungry,
Speaker 1: even at the w NBA level. Man, I had Super
Speaker 1: Dina Tarassi, Scotlett Diggins and Necker for a little mini
Speaker 1: camp last summer. Bro I put them on the bands.
Speaker 1: I can't put my NBA NBA guys on the bandom
Speaker 1: a that that's just during my that's just for a
Speaker 1: pre draft. Now when you say now, when you say
Speaker 1: the bands, describe what you need by to put them
Speaker 1: on the bands? You mean, man, you know I got
Speaker 1: this thing I've been doing for years. Man, while I
Speaker 1: strapped a band around one person and then around the
Speaker 1: other player and they speed dribbling and doing different stuff
Speaker 1: type that type of resistance. And you know cardio A one,
Speaker 1: power A one, playing through contact a one. You go
Speaker 1: up and down sixt eight times, felt like you did
Speaker 1: ten seventeen. So I'm not a big seventeen guy. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big line droow guy. If we do the bands,
Speaker 1: because basketball is high impact enough, you can get your
Speaker 1: conditioning other ways with less work, you know what, less
Speaker 1: wins here. So the bands and something I've been doing
Speaker 1: for years, like man, if you go up and down
Speaker 1: the court, we do a set of a set is
Speaker 1: two up and back full, we do three and four stats.
Speaker 1: You did six eight full court. We don't need to
Speaker 1: do no more. But it's killing like people. Hey, you
Speaker 1: know it's it's the thing that same guys in the bucket,
Speaker 1: you know, curl up around the toilet in the bathroom,
Speaker 1: letting go su bird full problem. Bro, She's year nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: first ballot, Hall of Famer, no complaints, so you know,
Speaker 1: so bring it back to college high school. These girls
Speaker 1: aren't being told at ten eleven to our thirteen fourteen
Speaker 1: because they don't have that. They don't have these exposure camp.
Speaker 1: So they're still level headed. You know, they're still hungry,
Speaker 1: they's still passionate. Don't get me wrong. We can still
Speaker 1: get some guys in the in the basketball universes like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, telling these kids how great they are
Speaker 1: early does more harm than good to me. So the
Speaker 1: women don't have that. So like women, man, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I've never had an issue with a girl in a workout.
Speaker 1: I'm constantly having to talk to guys. I'm you're more
Speaker 1: of a psychologist than you are training at this point.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I got into that. Part of
Speaker 1: the reason. I got into it because I needed one.
Speaker 1: But damn, I shouldn't be motivating eighty percent at the times.
Speaker 1: It should be the other way eight twenty like eighty
Speaker 1: percent times you locked in and I'm sure you have
Speaker 1: a couple of bad days in there, and I gotta
Speaker 1: push you. Let's get to the work. But the women, bro,
Speaker 1: they run through a wall like no questions asked, you
Speaker 1: know so, and then you know they don't get the
Speaker 1: they don't get the the same visibility they're starting to write,
Speaker 1: don't get the same resources, they don't get the same page.
Speaker 1: They don't and w n BA to me, is the
Speaker 1: most elitely in the world. There's only twelve teams. You know,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of spaces, like it's the elite
Speaker 1: of the elite. You know, you'll have I was telling
Speaker 1: us just I did a girl's camp not too long ago,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to tell these young ladies what
Speaker 1: they're up against. Not saying they can't be done, but understand,
Speaker 1: your sport is the most elite. You have first round
Speaker 1: pick they don't even make it through training camp because
Speaker 1: it's just gonna spot. They're drafting lottery picks just to
Speaker 1: do camp and then they get released. That don't happen
Speaker 1: in the NBA. You know, NBA, you first round pick
Speaker 1: a lottery you gotta you'll have first round picks not
Speaker 1: make it through training camp. It's there's no space, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the top of the top of the top,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, man, it's you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad they started to get their level. That's why I
Speaker 1: started Girls Rock bro. It wasn't like it wasn't like
Speaker 1: I didn't train girls before, but I didn't want girls
Speaker 1: to feel like I gotta go do a guy thing
Speaker 1: to work out with Olan because I don't look at
Speaker 1: girls as girls. I look at this basketball players. So
Speaker 1: come work out with my dude, Like, come work out
Speaker 1: I'm putting through me with the guys. That's how me
Speaker 1: and Tina grew up. Tina as a childhood friend. Work
Speaker 1: out with guys, so I said, when we started girls,
Speaker 1: Rod just an all girls things. So they don't, you know,
Speaker 1: just so in order to get to Olan, you don't
Speaker 1: feel you have to go work out with guys, like
Speaker 1: he actually has a girls thing. And so they come.
Speaker 1: It's one day a week. I do this, but then
Speaker 1: they still do my workout during the week with my
Speaker 1: guys because I want, you know, you know, I want
Speaker 1: you know, I want to make these girls feel special
Speaker 1: and and and it's starting to get that way. But
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of work to do. Bro, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of work. So quick, quick story, and I
Speaker 1: mean I got a lot of stories. Bro. You know
Speaker 1: when Kobe plane went down, helicopter went down. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a Kobe guy, Like we have these Kobe thing.
Speaker 1: I'm a I've never met Code and my twenty years
Speaker 1: doing this, five never met him because you know, we
Speaker 1: in l A I meet him one day. I meet
Speaker 1: him one day. So Estevan Johnson, my barbera, Kobe's barbera
Speaker 1: for sixteen years. Kobe like my basketball product, the D Slide,
Speaker 1: But not just that, that's Avon Tolder. Man, this dude's
Speaker 1: heavy and girls game. He set up a meeting. So
Speaker 1: I was finally going to meet him. But I'm on
Speaker 1: my way to meet him at the tournament and I
Speaker 1: was gonna get down and you know, ship, He's making
Speaker 1: a push on the girl's side. I'm like, yo, this
Speaker 1: excites me. And obviously a part of it too, he
Speaker 1: know he wanted to. He already had two of my
Speaker 1: D Slide from Mestevan, But it ain't it was It
Speaker 1: wasn't even my product that I was excited about because
Speaker 1: I know Cod put the stamp on it. You know,
Speaker 1: you're talking to a different olding right now, with different
Speaker 1: zeros behind his name. It was getting involved more on
Speaker 1: a higher scale with him with the girls game. Man.
Speaker 1: I got a phone call that that helicopter came down.
Speaker 1: Obviously Cobe going was killed. Me and my family like
Speaker 1: my my my new born is named after him, Kingston Kobe.
Speaker 1: But man, just trying to get involved in that girl's
Speaker 1: game with him, because I know him putting that stamp
Speaker 1: on it to get behind it was gonna help it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, that's a quick, little, my little quick
Speaker 1: Kobe's story in the girls game, like I was about
Speaker 1: to join joining up with them and you know, get
Speaker 1: down on that girl's thing. And yeah, man, but and
Speaker 1: that's one of the things. But that's one of the things. Man,
Speaker 1: is so beautiful to see on the on the on
Speaker 1: the guy on the quote unquote boys side is guys
Speaker 1: like Kobe, guys like yourself, all these girl dads that
Speaker 1: have really taken well. Kobe was taking it upon himself
Speaker 1: to really elevate the platform of women's basketball being kind
Speaker 1: of that guy that's out there, and you're taking it
Speaker 1: upon yourself to elevate the game, mentoring working and being accessible.
Speaker 1: I love when you said that that you know, you
Speaker 1: wanted to make young women feel like that that owner
Speaker 1: is accessible to Like you don't have to do that thing.
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Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this thing on the lines of talking about Kobe. Um,
Speaker 1: just it's for are is his standing in basketball history?
Speaker 1: You know, you hear a lot of people say their
Speaker 1: goats you whether it be Mike or whoever, Bill Russell
Speaker 1: or Lebron or whoever else it is. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to get, you know, from a Kobe guy. I want
Speaker 1: to I wanted to have this conversation. Where do you
Speaker 1: think he stands all time as far as the greatest
Speaker 1: to ever play the game? On who's one A and
Speaker 1: who's one beat? I mean, you can't flip him in Mike.
Speaker 1: Him and Mike are are are the standards? To me?
Speaker 1: And now why now? Why? Now? Why Kobe? Why Kobe standard?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the thing that he did when
Speaker 1: you look back on on how strong the West was,
Speaker 1: and obviously you know he had Shocked for some years
Speaker 1: and Shock was as phenomenal as he was. Um, but
Speaker 1: Kobe would pushed through the West and then when we
Speaker 1: got to the East, it wasn't as strong. Let's get
Speaker 1: Shock and really feature Shock and Shock dominated Rick Smith's
Speaker 1: to Kamba Motombo um guys like Dad and got the
Speaker 1: m v P. But his his level of dedication, his commitment,
Speaker 1: his work ethic, his skill set is by far one
Speaker 1: of the best. Like, I don't think people really appreciate,
Speaker 1: you know, the skill set. I like his leadership. I'm
Speaker 1: a Kobe Mike type of leadership. Guys, you know where
Speaker 1: they hold you accountable, they bite your head off, but
Speaker 1: they also uplift you. Um, if you look at that
Speaker 1: not let's let's get past the shot team. If you
Speaker 1: look at that team with Pau Gasol, he was only
Speaker 1: a one time Allstar before he got to l A.
Speaker 1: He was a good player, but he wasn't deepol Goo
Speaker 1: saw that we know now everyone know Code was hard
Speaker 1: on him. He when they lost to Boston, he challenged Pyle,
Speaker 1: came back the next year, was physically stronger, more confident.
Speaker 1: Lamar resurrected under Kobe Um. You have guys like Sasha
Speaker 1: Um that he played with, so people discredit his leadership.
Speaker 1: When I look back at it, everyone that played next
Speaker 1: to him got better. He may not have averaged eight
Speaker 1: nine ten assists, but there's other ways to get you better,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: we could talk about COVID, but I think his skill
Speaker 1: set didn't get better. Dog Well, Chris men was never
Speaker 1: really good. Uh, Smush didn't get better, dog mus What
Speaker 1: do you mean Smush got better? Smoke who was Smush
Speaker 1: before he got to like us? Is a nice? It
Speaker 1: was a decent NBA basketball player, Bro, I don't know
Speaker 1: why everybody acts like Smush Parker was just some trash
Speaker 1: like trash. He wasn't trash. But after he left l
Speaker 1: A and before l A, what was he? He had
Speaker 1: a good run in l A. His best run wasn't
Speaker 1: His best run was in l A. So how you
Speaker 1: didn't get better? His best basketball was in l A.
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. I'll give you that. One of
Speaker 1: Kobe's most like underrated skill sets was his leadership. It
Speaker 1: was he led with like, you know, an iron fist,
Speaker 1: kind of like Mike. He get on you. But that's
Speaker 1: how we grew up. I mean today's today's kids, Bro,
Speaker 1: here's a crazy part. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: this is raising kids to You want me to patch
Speaker 1: you on the butt because you got all a's, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to try to get all a's. You want me
Speaker 1: to patch you on your butt because you did your choice.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to do the extra, dude. You know, like
Speaker 1: kids won't pad on the butt for stuff they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Man, I played hard, you're supposed to you know,
Speaker 1: give me the unrequired work, give me the under then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna patch you on your ass. Then I'm an
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get your allowance will bump up
Speaker 1: or you'll get that like today's kids. So it's like
Speaker 1: that's today's generation man, Like you can you hold a
Speaker 1: kid accountable? Man? That the transfer portal is ridiculous? You
Speaker 1: know I'm not saying. So how do you? How do you?
Speaker 1: How do you coach your kid? How do you coach
Speaker 1: your kid today? How what's what's a strategy to effectively
Speaker 1: communicate and get through to a kid? And from this generation,
Speaker 1: you gotta be online. You gotta be all in your group,
Speaker 1: chat with him all the time, sending any means bro,
Speaker 1: bro bro. I honestly think it starts with respect. It's
Speaker 1: it's we all human nature. We gravitate towards love. I
Speaker 1: don't care what no one's say. And when someone knows
Speaker 1: there's a genuine love there, you can you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you can really coach them hard, Like, for example,
Speaker 1: let's use your stepfather syndrome. Like I'm my son's like
Speaker 1: like like my my, my wife, kids, stepdad. When he
Speaker 1: first came into my life, Man, I wasn't just stopping
Speaker 1: on his neck this and that, not that I do that.
Speaker 1: Now I had to show my kid for him. So
Speaker 1: now when I say, yo, don't talk to your mom
Speaker 1: like that, don't like and I and I hold certain
Speaker 1: boundaries in certain they listen. Man, well I'm coaching him
Speaker 1: and and they're now performing. And I'm not talking about execution, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not about execution. It's not about made shots, it's
Speaker 1: not about assist. To me, it's about effort. You're giving
Speaker 1: maximum effort and everything you do. You know, I fell
Speaker 1: in love back to Kobe. I fell in love to
Speaker 1: Cope when he went over for three. Like here's a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old kid in the biggest game, missed once
Speaker 1: ms ty, still confident to take it, and then got
Speaker 1: in the gym on something you know, like are you
Speaker 1: going to give maximum effort all the time? And I
Speaker 1: hold you accountable and not let them know. Man, this
Speaker 1: ain't for me. Whether you show up to my gym
Speaker 1: or not. I go home to my wife and kids
Speaker 1: every night, whether you score thirty or not. I go
Speaker 1: up to my wife and kids every night. Whether you
Speaker 1: pay for my training, there's another one coming through the door. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm on you, and I'm i'm I'm holding you accountable
Speaker 1: because I want what's best for you. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like if if your high school team win,
Speaker 1: I don't get a ring. I'm not the high school coach.
Speaker 1: If you're a U team win, I don't get a
Speaker 1: new shoe deal. You know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: like I constantly say that to them, like, bro, I'm
Speaker 1: in your circle, not to be your friend, I mean
Speaker 1: your circle so you can get that scholarship. Then my
Speaker 1: produce to get to the second or third contract like
Speaker 1: you okay with the rookie contract. So I'm in a
Speaker 1: quiet taste, don't get me wrong in today's generation. But
Speaker 1: that's why most of my guys turned in the family
Speaker 1: because you look at two of my players and even
Speaker 1: you know one of the agents I they were were
Speaker 1: in my wedding like they were my Like this turns
Speaker 1: into a family ship. I don't start this to be
Speaker 1: anyone's friend, though, and then once they get that and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be in your circle, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it started young bro like and I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Trevor remember this. Um. When Trevor got
Speaker 1: drafted by New York, he asked me to come out there.
Speaker 1: I told him, no, bro, I'm not gonna live off you. Bro.
Speaker 1: When you're in the late let's get it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I remember I'm paraphrasing. And then like
Speaker 1: two years later, I see Lolita at the mall. She
Speaker 1: got in my ask you left my son hanging who?
Speaker 1: I said, huh, what are you? You know? And then
Speaker 1: we've mended it since, but there was a gap we
Speaker 1: can talk. I think they took that like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to rock with him. I was like, and I
Speaker 1: was young, you know, so I could have probably said
Speaker 1: it maybe a different energy because I was fucking twenty six.
Speaker 1: I don't remember how much old I am to Trevor.
Speaker 1: But I was a young dude raising young dudes. UM,
Speaker 1: So I told him not. But I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be in his I don't want to be I don't
Speaker 1: want to be a hang on. I want to earn
Speaker 1: my stripe, so when you're in l A. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I couldn't leave by it because I
Speaker 1: had a kid. But that wasn't the energy. But I'm
Speaker 1: not here to live off you, and I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not here to be in your circle. I'm here to
Speaker 1: make sure you fucking change the zeros behind your name
Speaker 1: and your family. So I think they get that, and
Speaker 1: so I can coach a certain way. I can talk
Speaker 1: a certain way. You know a lot of dudes, Today's Brodie, Brodie, Brody, Yo,
Speaker 1: what's up? Brody? And bro I'm a grown ass man.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call it a dude, Brodi twenty times
Speaker 1: in a conversation. You know so well, hard man, I
Speaker 1: train hard. I'm not the same as I used to be,
Speaker 1: you know, because I understand. I just can't iron fish
Speaker 1: all the time. I compliment a little bit more than
Speaker 1: I did when I was young. But even Spencer, he'll
Speaker 1: come to my workouts, you know, because I work him out,
Speaker 1: and you know, we have our sessions. Like if he
Speaker 1: comes earlier, it's like, damn, you ain't the same when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, you know, like, and it involved
Speaker 1: you a little bit. Well, the society has changed, the
Speaker 1: society's tolerance has changed for certain types of coaching, right
Speaker 1: because we see so many episodes of what what can
Speaker 1: be deemed what can be deemed, as you know, abusive coaching.
Speaker 1: And now you know nowadays you get in trouble for
Speaker 1: the slightest thing. Here's my thing, here's my observation. I
Speaker 1: think that you still resonate with this generation because you've
Speaker 1: built up a considerable amount of trust that anybody that
Speaker 1: works with you, anybody that stuff footing is them stuffs
Speaker 1: footing at an old Simples clinic camp situation, understands that
Speaker 1: they're there to get better, and that's all that you
Speaker 1: care about. And so you just you literally you get
Speaker 1: so deep into the weeds of of getting better that
Speaker 1: you know you have you pay attention to so many details.
Speaker 1: I observed you and as as somebody that you know,
Speaker 1: my son was working with you, and as a parent
Speaker 1: that's watching this, you just feel good about, you know,
Speaker 1: spending your money with a guy like you, or just
Speaker 1: you know, getting that stamp of approval by by old
Speaker 1: now man, I I mean you you hit it on
Speaker 1: the nose. Man. I think I I still resonate with
Speaker 1: the young guys. And you said you started to say something.
Speaker 1: I wanted to attack, but I want to finish your thoughts.
Speaker 1: I never coached where I'm gonna get in trouble even today,
Speaker 1: you know, like Bill Knight can't coach today, I can
Speaker 1: coach into that generation. I'm at a private school. I
Speaker 1: hold these kids accountable, and private schools is the first
Speaker 1: one to let you go. There's ways to verbalize and
Speaker 1: be firm without being derogatory, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, Like there's a couple of coaches
Speaker 1: doing well, not in Nancy had it. I don't really
Speaker 1: rock with because of how they talk to these players. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say names because you know, I
Speaker 1: got relationships that needs to stay intact, you know, for
Speaker 1: you know people that I'm tired too. But bro, like
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna call a kid out his name, never
Speaker 1: go do you know what I'm saying, Like, no, you
Speaker 1: know I can coach today. I'm just not going to
Speaker 1: let you accept mediocrity. And people are okay with mediocrity
Speaker 1: Like no, no mediocrity, don't get don't pay the bills,
Speaker 1: you know, Like the world is highly competitive and basketball,
Speaker 1: like I said, was my father not for basketball for life?
Speaker 1: You know like, bro, like if I lose a job,
Speaker 1: job ain't gonna come knock on my door. I gotta
Speaker 1: go get it. So if I if I lose a game,
Speaker 1: I can't. Okay, No, I gotta knuckle up, buckle up,
Speaker 1: and work harder next time. If I feel you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's teaching life lessons. Bro, I'm doing
Speaker 1: you a disservice if I if I don't do it,
Speaker 1: and if I lose money, because like that's funny game
Speaker 1: stop working with me. And he may not say this,
Speaker 1: but I know he told me you're too hard. Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, look, man, Gabe was one of the most
Speaker 1: talented guards I've ever had, you know, highly skilled, you
Speaker 1: know um, but I probably lost him because you know
Speaker 1: that's too hard because you gotta remember, Bro, you as
Speaker 1: a high level you. You said, l A, I'm sure
Speaker 1: ninety five of your relations per cent of your relationships
Speaker 1: weren't authentic. You probably got maybe even hide in that
Speaker 1: three or four percent of the do is you've really
Speaker 1: been with you still with like everybody won't be in
Speaker 1: your circle, bro, like you you Chris Johnson, Bro, you
Speaker 1: national champs. You know, let me and not gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: You know when you sunk up or Man, that wasn't
Speaker 1: cool and that we want yes men in our circle. Bro,
Speaker 1: I don't want it. Yes man, I don't want that
Speaker 1: on My is gonna challenge me be a better person.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's what this is
Speaker 1: all about. You know, this is all about brother and
Speaker 1: and even til this day, like you know the agency
Speaker 1: that I did, I trained with. How I got into
Speaker 1: that five years ago. Took a dude from Alabama, man
Speaker 1: like it wasn't to do from Cat said, oh man,
Speaker 1: I lay your work man. Come you know, YO, can
Speaker 1: work this Nankee team out of can work this Adida's team.
Speaker 1: Get on our brother. Took a due from Alabama, say yo, man,
Speaker 1: I'm about to become an agent. I want you to
Speaker 1: train my players. We have someone in that position for
Speaker 1: the entire organization. But when I get mine, you're gonna go. Well.
Speaker 1: The year after his first year that position became available,
Speaker 1: I interviewed the hiring me as an independent contractor. I
Speaker 1: mean I had to interview and do work. But they
Speaker 1: also knew my work because that same year he came on,
Speaker 1: they used St. Monica's nine to whatever and I was
Speaker 1: there with Spencer seven Day and the nine because Miguil
Speaker 1: Viegas was there. He coached because they went were the
Speaker 1: middle school, so he allows us the gym. So they
Speaker 1: saw my work. In that same summer, Spencer wasn't in
Speaker 1: the league. He was fighting to even make the roster.
Speaker 1: Brooking that summer were winn into that season run up
Speaker 1: for most improved players. So that following year, man the
Speaker 1: position became available and took a dude like, Yo, Man,
Speaker 1: I trust you because he's setting his brothers for our
Speaker 1: relationship with He set his brother out here when his
Speaker 1: brother is getting ready to play pro his rookie year,
Speaker 1: asked me how much he was. I said, they don't
Speaker 1: even stress. I know it's his first year. I'm just
Speaker 1: throwing in with my guys. Funny thing is the guys
Speaker 1: I thought me in with Spencer when he was in Colorado.
Speaker 1: One of my kids at cal eat miney, my girly money.
Speaker 1: Stafford mcgheita was at Texas. I do him in that group.
Speaker 1: Your family broke fast forward, he get a job, he
Speaker 1: look out and obviously you know, but I bring that
Speaker 1: up to say me and him, man, every week we
Speaker 1: had each other's throats in a good way. You know,
Speaker 1: we still hold each other accountable, like what we can
Speaker 1: do better what we can what you know we added
Speaker 1: I want dudes that that and even if forty six
Speaker 1: and for it, man, Like, I'm still trying to get better.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to be a better person. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be a better husband. I'm trying to be a
Speaker 1: better father. Man, I'm just trying to be a better coat.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a better I'm not stuck on man.
Speaker 1: I had three of the top successful draft class in
Speaker 1: the last three years, if not the best I have
Speaker 1: NBA guys right now, Like no, like, how can we
Speaker 1: get better? Like you know? And but like I said it,
Speaker 1: it's it rubs dudes the wrong way. I know it.
Speaker 1: Do I lose clients because of it? But I go
Speaker 1: to better night. I wouldn't. I wouldn't trip bro because
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, it's very important to have
Speaker 1: truth tellers, people that are not yes men in your circle,
Speaker 1: that voice of reason, that voice that's gonna called spade
Speaker 1: a spade um. When you don't have that, man, you
Speaker 1: walk around delusional thinking you're a lot better than yard Man,
Speaker 1: and then ultimately you don't work as hard and you
Speaker 1: just get gas. But flipping a topic that I really
Speaker 1: always wanted to kind of just just unhashed, just hash
Speaker 1: out with you. Lebron James. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: why do you think that Lebron James receives so much?
Speaker 1: For instance, he's out here in l A. He's having
Speaker 1: one of the best seasons, his best seasons of his career.
Speaker 1: His average is probably gonna lead the league and scoring,
Speaker 1: he's doing all these these things the Lakers down season.
Speaker 1: Why do you think he has the shoulder all the
Speaker 1: blames specifically from like l A fans, Laker fans around
Speaker 1: the city. Let me start my side. What about people
Speaker 1: think it's big Brown. It goes back to hold the
Speaker 1: people account the yeah, you're average and thirty this year.
Speaker 1: I can turn film on where you're not giving full
Speaker 1: effort defensive. I believe in building a culture, right Like
Speaker 1: with this l A team, you have three top semi
Speaker 1: five players, but really should have four. You should have four.
Speaker 1: And there's games where I wish he would have an
Speaker 1: iron fist because it's not about scoring thirty, it's not
Speaker 1: about execute, and it's not about it's the knock on
Speaker 1: this Laker team this year, a lot of times they
Speaker 1: don't play hard well. It starts with the leading. You
Speaker 1: will never say, oh, Michael Jordan, team didn't play hard.
Speaker 1: You would never say even Magic Johnson when he smiled.
Speaker 1: You know that you play with U C. L A.
Speaker 1: That Magic was mean as fun. You don't make a shot,
Speaker 1: you ain't getting the ball the rest of the game,
Speaker 1: or you may not play like not get him off
Speaker 1: the court like he smiled, was an asshole. But lead
Speaker 1: with Iron Fish Lebron, like Bird said, you want to
Speaker 1: have fun, play with him, like Lebron is so fucking
Speaker 1: great that I think he can be the greatest athlete
Speaker 1: player of any sport period. And it's just this one
Speaker 1: little thing for me, and I'm never gonna change him.
Speaker 1: And they were like with Kobe when Kobe was Bush
Speaker 1: and he got my raft, like you know, like you're
Speaker 1: gonna be and you're in l A. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: held accountable in l A. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard came here after great years in Orlando. They
Speaker 1: fucking murdered him. You know, you don't bring it every night.
Speaker 1: It ain't just about scoring, man. I think it's like people,
Speaker 1: what is it about? What is it about? So his rebounds,
Speaker 1: his assists, what is it about? What is this about?
Speaker 1: It's maximum effort from it's maximum effort. You have not
Speaker 1: him Today's NBA. You got the best shoes, you got
Speaker 1: the best uh, you got the best training, recovery stuff.
Speaker 1: You don't fly. You don't fly commercial like you know,
Speaker 1: and then when guys not playing hard and man, we're
Speaker 1: taking games off. Bro, your dad played in Chucks, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like he flew commercial Like like
Speaker 1: the game isn't it physical? Like the recovery is easier.
Speaker 1: There's so much stuff today that the expectation isn't really overboard.
Speaker 1: Like Kobi played with a finger that needed surgery the
Speaker 1: whole season. He shot his free thows on in Achilles,
Speaker 1: Like this is what all A's used to. It ain't
Speaker 1: just him. I brought up Dwight Howard, Steve Nash got
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Steve Nash golden boy. When
Speaker 1: he was here. He got a little salting too that
Speaker 1: lets used to win. Man, ain't no excuses fucking Bed
Speaker 1: Howling four times Final four. I just don't think I
Speaker 1: think I hear you, Olden, but I just don't think
Speaker 1: that this is really from a place of objective Okay,
Speaker 1: Lebron's not hustling. I think this comes from a deep
Speaker 1: seated hate of Lebron James from Los Angeles Laker fans
Speaker 1: from the years that there was this perceived thing that
Speaker 1: it was a battle between him and Kobe. I still
Speaker 1: think the way people Blaker fans talk about the guy
Speaker 1: it's with it's with like Spike and it's with like venom.
Speaker 1: It's not like you treat him like you know he's
Speaker 1: actually the captain of your your hometown team. You're just
Speaker 1: treating him like he's just some guy that has done
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, on a lot, on high level,
Speaker 1: but isn't doing what you need, what you guys want
Speaker 1: this year. So screw them. Like, that's what I get.
Speaker 1: It's in it's whack you. You can't blame Lebron, man,
Speaker 1: what I mean, you can't blame Lebron for everything. I
Speaker 1: blame asked the question, I gave you my answer. And
Speaker 1: I know this right here is a podcasting in it
Speaker 1: when it within itself I brought you didn't hear that.
Speaker 1: I heard that. I heard that. I heard that. I
Speaker 1: heard it up. It's different, man, shot got destroyed in
Speaker 1: l A to Westbrook, average of nineteen and yeah, not
Speaker 1: shoot while you're not doing this. He not home grown
Speaker 1: l A. Dude can't bring his family to the game.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that did he for Lebron? No, I'm
Speaker 1: giving you a whole bunch of different situations. Since I
Speaker 1: l A is about winning, that's it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I don't have an issue if Lebron wins.
Speaker 1: He went, like win the championship. Bro, I'm a basketball guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not a team guy. I'm a I'm a bout
Speaker 1: Like I watched Batman, like I want to say dog.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you this because you know people think
Speaker 1: it's take. I wanted to say, dude, that's the best
Speaker 1: player I've ever seen in my entire life. Like with
Speaker 1: shot Man, I wanted to say, that's the best for
Speaker 1: ever seeing my entire life. You had come to camp
Speaker 1: out of shade, like he wouldn't give it all the time,
Speaker 1: Like you could have been the best player. And I
Speaker 1: think it comes from my personal background, like I didn't
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to keep going. You know, I had
Speaker 1: a kid earlier, I did some dumb things. Basketball was
Speaker 1: so much embedded in me that like I'm fucking uh passionate, obsessive,
Speaker 1: like when I see certain things like yeah, man, like
Speaker 1: come on, you know what I'm saying, And then people
Speaker 1: think it's hey because you have a criticism or a comment.
Speaker 1: It's not a hey, bro. We didn't grow up saying
Speaker 1: it was hey. Man. If if if one of your
Speaker 1: dudes was bullshit and crisshaw Chris, come on, man, I
Speaker 1: know young Chris. Bro Like, I know young christ you
Speaker 1: probably yeah, you probably like so why is it that
Speaker 1: the same guys don't have the same like, come on, Brian,
Speaker 1: you should have come on man like you under the rim?
Speaker 1: You know, like reverse that ship finished games? Get this stub.
Speaker 1: He made the right play. He made the right play.
Speaker 1: You see this is and you know what I call
Speaker 1: lebron guys. You know the guys that are toty Lebron,
Speaker 1: You guys are Trump supporters because Trump can do no wrong.
Speaker 1: People say he made the right player. Carmelo is open dog.
Speaker 1: If a dude has to pump fake take a dribble
Speaker 1: in side step, how is that open when you're six
Speaker 1: eight at the rim under the basket? Easy reverse, that's
Speaker 1: an easier shot. He was like, man, he made the
Speaker 1: right play. He was open. If a dude has to pump,
Speaker 1: fake side step, how is he open? That's that's my
Speaker 1: that's but you gotta you gotta blame style of play too.
Speaker 1: And emphasis is like everybody's trying to get it three.
Speaker 1: All you needed was a two to win. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You're still trying to get it three. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. This says the thing. So when I go
Speaker 1: against it, I'm not going against the I didn't say it.
Speaker 1: Rod Strickland said it. Yeah. Rod even said he should
Speaker 1: have shot that damn ball. But it's Rod Hayden. No,
Speaker 1: people say it's Hayden. When someone has a comment, a
Speaker 1: real comment, a person Chris Johnson, it's gonna say, man,
Speaker 1: he made the right play. No, this dude wasn't open
Speaker 1: like people say he made it to the open guy.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to people that played basketball. If a guy
Speaker 1: has to faith and take a sidestep, how the funk
Speaker 1: is he open? When I said Lebron guys are like
Speaker 1: Trump guys. Trump is grabbing private all right, said hold on,
Speaker 1: He's trying to the wall to Mexico and then people
Speaker 1: still vote for him and they're still supporting Bro. He's
Speaker 1: trying to keep you out. He still women still vote
Speaker 1: for him. Yet he's you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: it's on camera. It's that. Let me ask something. One
Speaker 1: of the greatest players ever playing, and you never said
Speaker 1: I'd say it. One of the greatest players to ever play,
Speaker 1: arguably one of the most like his off court like stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, take care of his body and all that
Speaker 1: is unprecedented, like respect, all that about it. I just
Speaker 1: be wanting to say, Man, this dude is the best
Speaker 1: player to ever played, Like I want to say it.
Speaker 1: I want the certain things when he getting in, he's
Speaker 1: under the basket, like still year nineteen. That's what we're doing. Man,
Speaker 1: go go jump over these nickers and dunking like you're
Speaker 1: doing the third quarter like you know, play like that's all.
Speaker 1: Like I want to say, it's not Coope versus bron
Speaker 1: because here's here's I grew up in Magic. Magic was
Speaker 1: my favorite player, but I was still Man, I hate Mike,
Speaker 1: but Mike is Micaus. Mike. Mike is the best. I
Speaker 1: haven't argued to say Magic is the best twelve eleven
Speaker 1: years because that twelve year he had aids eleven the
Speaker 1: years dude was in the championship times, and there's no
Speaker 1: doubt Magic. There's no doubt Magic has a major argument.
Speaker 1: Major argument Puss is the way he played the game
Speaker 1: at that's at his height, like unbelievable. People realize how
Speaker 1: great that dude is when I say that, like clutch
Speaker 1: and his clutch. Gene was next. Remember the hooks, Remember
Speaker 1: Magic just pulling hooks out his ass, just like in
Speaker 1: championship games. At the first time I saw him shooting
Speaker 1: hook who was in the finals and Ship? I was like,
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. But but oh, who do you like today?
Speaker 1: That's gonna carry kind of the torch from Lebron. That's gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, keep the legacy of greatness going in the NBA. Luca,
Speaker 1: would he be somebody? Tray young Yokis like all these guys,
Speaker 1: Janice Steph out of those guys. Let me just narrow
Speaker 1: this question a little bit that I named, who do
Speaker 1: you think is most poised to be the next face
Speaker 1: of the NBA. I'm a rant John Grant and Janice
Speaker 1: I mean the job play with a level of passion,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm a passion guy, Bay
Speaker 1: passion and grit. We're not talking skills because he's fucking
Speaker 1: highly skilled and his room growth is ridiculous. He just
Speaker 1: plays with a certain level of toughness and grit. And
Speaker 1: you know that. I like that. I mean, if I guess,
Speaker 1: that's that's my thing. That's why I love Russ. Russ
Speaker 1: can do no wrong in my eye, Like, okay, turnovers come, man,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, Michigan, okay, But Russ is still gonna
Speaker 1: dive into the stands. Russ is still going. Russ is
Speaker 1: gonna fight you. Russ gonna try to bite your face off.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's I guess that's my it, because how
Speaker 1: I play like a six too big booguard At the Palisades,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of dudes. We had to
Speaker 1: play crunshaws with bugs. We had to play fair fact.
Speaker 1: But I say, man, you larns with does like I'm
Speaker 1: fighting their game, and that's I grew up. So I
Speaker 1: think that's my hit, bro, Like I honestly think, you know,
Speaker 1: an even Carmelo, like he smiled, how but Carmelo put
Speaker 1: you in the face. Magic smile but magic hat. Uh.
Speaker 1: So that's my thing, man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so I think John Moran, you know that his
Speaker 1: ceiling is so high, bro, like gian is still barely
Speaker 1: twenty seven. You know your kids. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he could get any better, like even if he stays
Speaker 1: his way first batting Hall of Fame and this is that,
Speaker 1: but can he get it? Like, I think this is
Speaker 1: your kids, we're gonna see the rest of the time.
Speaker 1: I think for Luca the same thing. He gonna stay
Speaker 1: in the right time. I think, my guy, people, you're
Speaker 1: being biased. Sha ain't far off and he and okay
Speaker 1: see hiding since the All Star Baking evers like thirty two,
Speaker 1: eight and six and this year you know he was.
Speaker 1: But dudes just gonna bring it every night. Lead teams,
Speaker 1: and I think they still have a lot of growth left. Um,
Speaker 1: but the NBA is in great hands, man. I think
Speaker 1: yan Is still has a lot of growth here as
Speaker 1: much as he's done. I think t Young is who
Speaker 1: Trey Young is gonna be the rest of his career.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, what more can he do with
Speaker 1: his size and package to to get even better? I don't.
Speaker 1: I think this is Trey Young the rest of his career,
Speaker 1: unless you know, borring injuries. I think your kiches, this
Speaker 1: is your kich um Man that's dominating the league and
Speaker 1: still to me got so much growth. It's just scared.
Speaker 1: I think something that that scared scared me or made
Speaker 1: me kind of just think about the future of the
Speaker 1: league a little differently was when Carl Anthony Towns won
Speaker 1: the three point contest. Uh that that was a monumental
Speaker 1: moment for me, because that's not that's not oh real
Speaker 1: quick back, oh Anthony Edwards in there those three guys
Speaker 1: Man Anthony Awards is the monster I think here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think once we see like your kich embed like
Speaker 1: where their game is at now is obviously that elite level.
Speaker 1: I think it's like Parl Anthony Towns is going to
Speaker 1: develop into that and it's going to trans they in
Speaker 1: the winning we'll see a lot more of him and
Speaker 1: what they got going in Minnesota. I really, I really
Speaker 1: think in the future, like dope like that. But but
Speaker 1: John Mayrant is somebody that you know. He he's like
Speaker 1: a taller Iverson the way he attacks the room with
Speaker 1: that ferocity, that anger. The height. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: you say, man, you just don't see that effort. It's
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook type stuff. And but but but Luka duncan, Man,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't, really, no, I can't. I can't
Speaker 1: go wrong with Luka. Man, I'm not going wrong with Luca.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with Luca. He's in year four, right, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I believe there's rooms for him. But the room for
Speaker 1: him for me is I think getting in bed like elite,
Speaker 1: elite shape and something doesn't really made a priority as yet.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he will. But if he did that,
Speaker 1: like his growth is, there's another exponential jump. But what
Speaker 1: he's doing right now, it's ridiculous, I think, Luca, but
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I guess what I was when you
Speaker 1: answer the question, because because Lebron's not done, k D
Speaker 1: is not done. You're talking who's gonna take over the metal? Right?
Speaker 1: The dudes ain't done. I'm looking at guys. It's still
Speaker 1: upward Trent. You know, honestly, man, what more can Trey
Speaker 1: Young doing that package? If he stays there this career,
Speaker 1: he's superstar harvly, But I don't know if there's more.
Speaker 1: You know, um, Luca, if he made his body of focus,
Speaker 1: I think, but year four he hasn't. I mean, but
Speaker 1: Jannice is still trying to evolve that mid range and
Speaker 1: three ball, and you know he's it's coming. When he
Speaker 1: gets that it's unfair. John Moran is still trying to
Speaker 1: get that three ball consistent, that big range. When he
Speaker 1: get that it's unfair. Um, you know like those guys
Speaker 1: Shave six five point guard that can do whatever on
Speaker 1: the court and his shots evolving as well. I look
Speaker 1: at guys that's dominant and all star level now that
Speaker 1: still has room to grow to take over the mantel.
Speaker 1: When these guys lead and they're marketable, you honest is marketable.
Speaker 1: Shade got the you know we're talking to talking about
Speaker 1: marketable when you're talking about telling them. Shae has the
Speaker 1: Louis Vatton NBA dealing in the face of converse and
Speaker 1: doing a whole. But Moran is marketable, personable, So it's Dante.
Speaker 1: I mean, the NBA is in great hands, bro, The
Speaker 1: NBA is in great you know who John My John
Speaker 1: Morant remind me of and a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize how good it was. Baron Davis, the reason reminds
Speaker 1: me of Bear is explosive, explosive, but can play with pace.
Speaker 1: See russ don't play with pace. Russe's barn was explosive,
Speaker 1: can play up, bold, play with pace, and was a
Speaker 1: pure point guard as well. It wasn't just athlete like injuries.
Speaker 1: Barre ex to write reads, pick and roll, plays with
Speaker 1: page change. But once he see that lane, it's you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, so that's where he reminds
Speaker 1: me of Beat. People say Russ, but Russ athleticism wise, yeah,
Speaker 1: but Russ is still one speed. There's no that's a
Speaker 1: great point, man, that's a great point. With the pace
Speaker 1: pace at all Bed had all the Arguably, Beat was
Speaker 1: like one of the best basketball players I had seen,
Speaker 1: like ever had seen at one point in his career,
Speaker 1: Like he was that dominant, he was like he gave
Speaker 1: you that feeling on the inside like this is one
Speaker 1: of the best basketball players I've ever seen. Like you
Speaker 1: only get that on certain dudes, bro, and Beat was
Speaker 1: definitely definitely one of those dudes. But oh, my man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time, my brother. We've been
Speaker 1: on this thing about an hour or something. Bro, I
Speaker 1: gotta let you go. I know you gotta you probably
Speaker 1: headed to the gym and you've got something to do, man,
Speaker 1: But I appreciate you taking the time to day my brother.
Speaker 1: No man, thanks for having me. I know. We went
Speaker 1: off topic a little bit and went little you know,
Speaker 1: we're good. We're good, but no man, it's talking basketball
Speaker 1: with someone you respect. It's always it's always a blessing,
Speaker 1: you know. Likewise, brother, can't wait till we do it again.
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