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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for listening to the Two Pros and a

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: There are certain things I can just say. I am

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent positive of I am one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: positive that we make too much of preseason football. I'm

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent positive that we're obsessed with the sport.

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Speaker 3: And I have one hundred percent positive that no matter

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Speaker 3: what happens for the Browns this weekend, it won't stop

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Speaker 3: the Shadoor talk. Love it or hate it, it is

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Speaker 3: here for good. It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe.

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Speaker 3: But today it's really like to Joe's in a cup

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Speaker 3: of Joe. I don't know he's buck rising on Jason Fitz.

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Speaker 3: It's a bucking fits takeover. Two Pros and a Cup

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Speaker 3: of Joe. I mean, pro is not a word that

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Speaker 3: many people use for either Buck Rising or myself in

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Speaker 3: a hundred different But don't look he's giving me this

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Speaker 3: look like saying something controversial.

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Speaker 2: You are barely a professional, sir.

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Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent professional. I can't even say

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Speaker 4: the word professional. It's too early in the morning for me.

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Speaker 3: Just because you didn't go out last night in Atlanta

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you're an actual professional. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: just just you know, I'm just saying two pros. I

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Speaker 3: think when they say pros, they mean, like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: LaVar Arrington and Brady Quinn for very specific reason. It's

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Speaker 3: different kind of.

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Speaker 2: Pro than Buck Rising at Jason Fitz.

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Speaker 5: Come on, well, that's fine, that's all well and good.

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Speaker 4: You can you can be a professional and whatever it

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Speaker 4: is that you decide to be a professional in. And

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Speaker 4: if I'm a professional, you know, if my profession now

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Speaker 4: is a level of responsibility that I did not have

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Speaker 4: ten years ago when you met me, as in not

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Speaker 4: going out on a road trip when I've been stuck

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Speaker 4: in this damn hotel room for I don't know ten

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Speaker 4: straight days as we cover by the way, this road

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Speaker 4: trip stuff that NFL teams are doing, and not all

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Speaker 4: NFL teams are doing. But like I cover the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 4: If you're unfamiliar, Fitzi's hanging out in Connecticut. I'm normally

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Speaker 4: in Nashville, but I've been in Atlanta for six days. Rather,

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Speaker 4: they have kept the Titans on the road Fitzi for

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Speaker 4: ten consecutive days, went straight from joint preseason joint training

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Speaker 4: camp practices with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a preseason game

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Speaker 4: through to Atlanta. They've been here for six so we've

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Speaker 4: all been on the road together at this.

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Speaker 5: Point in time.

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Speaker 4: These teams that do this, they better be as cohesive

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Speaker 4: a unit as any that you will find in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: because this is nonsense. I'm not entirely sure how much

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Speaker 4: is actually to be gained by things like this, but

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Speaker 4: I know it's a hell of a lot of legwork

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Speaker 3: I mean, Josh McDaniels kept the Raiders on the East

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Speaker 3: he thought it'd be good for a team camaraderie, and

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Speaker 3: if you talk to people around the team, it was

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Speaker 3: the exact opposite of that. Like this is the concept

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Speaker 3: we all like, it's tough to.

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Speaker 5: Have Ben Roderie when you hate the coach.

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Speaker 4: Like, if you're stuck with the coach that you hate

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Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks on the road, that is

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Speaker 4: probably not going to be good for morale.

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Speaker 3: But do we not, as a general football society think

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Speaker 3: in like Pop Warner or high school. Like you sit

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Speaker 3: there and you think, oh, man, it'd be great to

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Speaker 3: be out with the fellows for a week, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: And the more you get to know guys in the league,

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Speaker 3: a job. They do their job and they go home

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Speaker 3: to their family. In fact, one former Titan that wasn't

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Speaker 3: it's weird. Like in college we went everywhere together, so

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Speaker 2: And he's like, here the minute.

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Speaker 3: Every thing's done for the day, everybody just leaves, and

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Speaker 3: bit of an element where we think it's like kumba

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Speaker 3: for a week. But the reality of it is most

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Speaker 2: The team bonding process.

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Speaker 3: Just feels like something that belongs in a movie more

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Speaker 4: Surely I have eaten my bodyweight in strict club wings

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Speaker 4: at this point. We've have been here for so long

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Speaker 4: and they're delightful, and I've since I've tried every variety

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Speaker 4: I think that Magic City has to offer in terms

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Speaker 4: in time, and the botanical gardens in Atlanta are lovely,

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Speaker 4: But to your point, like, these these are grown men,

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Speaker 4: in time. And just the logistics of keeping an NFL

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Speaker 5: Not an easy thing.

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Speaker 4: That's a small city that you've just picked up and

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Speaker 4: the level of health, wellness, recovery, conditioning, all the things

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Speaker 4: has kind of been taken away from you.

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Speaker 5: And the logic, at least here.

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Speaker 4: Fitzi has been well, this is a three and fourteen

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Speaker 4: football team, the Tennessee Titans, the worst team in football.

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Speaker 4: The number one overall draft pick cam Ward is here

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Speaker 4: because they were the worst team in football, and so

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Speaker 4: they're trying to find ways to grow leadership, to find leadership,

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Speaker 4: to find guys who will help lift the team above.

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Speaker 5: The adversity that they're facing.

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Speaker 4: When you know the adversity that they're facing is like

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Speaker 4: that's the kind of adversity that a football team is

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Speaker 4: things like that, and Hammon and Hawn about oh, you

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Speaker 4: know it's some people are saying, well, it's because we've

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Speaker 4: been on the road so long. Some people aren't using

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Speaker 4: his excuse. I don't know, man, it just seems it

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Speaker 4: seems like much ado about nothing in these kind of situations.

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Speaker 4: And it's listen for if you're if you're the coach

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Speaker 4: of a three and fourteen football team and under duress,

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Speaker 4: like Brian Callahan absolutely is, then you've got to do

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Speaker 4: whatever you can to try and figure out how to

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Speaker 4: keep your job with this number one overall pick. Because, honestly,

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Speaker 4: if fit's a fascinating conversation at some point this morning,

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Speaker 4: would be to talk about the number of teams who

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Speaker 4: there's been many, many NFL teams that don't seem to

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Speaker 4: they've brought in or that they have on staff by

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Speaker 4: the time they bring these quarterbacks specifically in, and how

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Speaker 4: detrimental that often is to the quarterbacks in their development.

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Speaker 4: They undermine themselves with the level of continuity that they

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Speaker 4: don't allow for because ownership gets dissatisfied when your football

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Speaker 4: team coming off of three and fourteen season may still

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Speaker 4: be stinky even if you added a number one overall

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Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned that number one overall pick. It's

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Speaker 3: funny because you've already got people obsessing over the concept.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Saints fan, you're obsessing over Hey, it's okay,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna stick this year. But that's gonna be fine

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Speaker 3: because we're gonna get the first overall pick where we're

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Speaker 3: gonna get arch Manning. Even though nobody has any idea

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Speaker 3: a if arch is actually really as good as advertised.

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Speaker 3: And then b nobody really knows if Archie will or

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Speaker 3: arch will even come out after this year. We have

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Speaker 3: no idea, and Archie.

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Speaker 4: Seems too right, Grandpa Archie seems to say, no, that's

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Speaker 4: not how the Manning family does a baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Popau is out here speaking not half everybody. But

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Speaker 3: you're you're right though, Like when you think.

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Speaker 4: About firstspectful to Archie as popa shake, I mean, really.

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Speaker 3: He is Pop, but he he got he's got to

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Speaker 3: be a great grandpap by now, right, Like I mean,

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Speaker 3: like I'm presuming that there's there's kids, the kids or

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Speaker 3: coming in full effect. Southern colloquialism's out here. But think

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Speaker 3: turns it around with that pick. That's the other part

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Speaker 3: of this that I've said this for years. Okay, if

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Speaker 3: you go back over the last I don't know, let's say,

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Speaker 3: for where we stand right now, over the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: For everybody that thinks, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams is going to be the savior of the Bears,

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Speaker 3: cam Ward is going to be the savior of the Titans.

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Speaker 3: That you know, arch Manning is gonna be the savior

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Speaker 3: of the Saints in a year. Look at the last

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Speaker 3: ten years. James Winston first overall pick did not save

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Speaker 3: the Buccaneers. Jared Goff was very good for the Rams.

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Speaker 3: He's not a Ram anymore, all right, so that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Miles Garrett, as good as he's been, did not turn

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Speaker 3: Browns and now is good somewhere else. Kyler Murray has

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Speaker 3: made the Cardinals, okay. Joe Burrow is the one just

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Speaker 3: huge exception. Trevor Lawrence. Were still not one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: sure who he is as a pro. Trevon Walker. People

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Speaker 3: forget he was the first overall pick. Carolina still stinks

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Speaker 3: with Bryce Young. We have no idea if Kayleb Williams

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Speaker 3: is going to actually be the world beater that people

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Speaker 3: want him to be. Like, the odds that the number

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Speaker 3: one overall pick actually saves the franchise he is drafted

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Speaker 3: by are pretty minimle. If you keep going back in time,

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Speaker 3: the list goes on and on through the two thousands

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Speaker 3: of how many bad first overall picks there were, or

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Speaker 3: first overall picks that had their.

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Speaker 2: Most successful moment somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: So the entire concept that this rookie quarterback Couugh Shudur

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Speaker 3: is going to save my entire franchise, Couugh Jackson Dart

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Speaker 3: like that. It's just it rarely happens. I wanted to happen.

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Speaker 4: Preseason Football The Value Questionable. I was shocked, stunned, a

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, number one, Dylan Gabriel is just a

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Speaker 3: not on like on the NFL network. Two point two

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00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,239
Speaker 3: million people went to watch the Door. You're right, there

437
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 3: is no consequence. And I don't like preseason at all,

438
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 3: but my god, there are certainly MAX games.

439
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Speaker 2: That would kill to have two point two million people

440
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Speaker 2: watch them.

441
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I you know, and it's no like I

442
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 4: feel no ill will or no overwhelmingly positive sentiment towards

443
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 4: the Shadoor Sanders experience other than like you said yesterday

444
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 4: when we were filling in for Gottlieb, I want him

445
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Speaker 4: to succeed. I want all of them to succeed. As

446
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Speaker 4: long as you're not a terrible human being and do

447
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 4: exist in the world of professional football, you don't have

448
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 4: to be a good person to be a good football player,

449
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 4: as long as you're not rotten like I want you

450
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Speaker 4: to do well and as you mentioned, make as much

451
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Speaker 4: money as humanly possible and succeeded at as high of

452
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 4: a level as humanly possible here. But I'm so confused

453
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Speaker 4: by the fascination around this player, who, in the words

454
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Speaker 4: of whether it be Brian Dayball evoking it or cam

455
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 4: Ore talking about the Titans offense here in the last

456
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 4: couple of months, just seems to be a bit mid

457
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Speaker 4: of a prospect, and people aren't willing to just take

458
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Speaker 4: a middle ground position on him.

459
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Speaker 5: It has to veer to extremes.

460
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 4: It's almost like political discourse where it starts a fight

461
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Speaker 4: no matter what you say about him.

462
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: It's Tibo all over again.

463
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Speaker 3: Like the number of people when Tebo started to play

464
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Speaker 3: in the NFL. The number of people if you were

465
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Speaker 3: a college football fan and Tebo wasn't getting the appropriate

466
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 3: shot in your mind to go out and be a starter.

467
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: Immediately it became well, people just don't like him, and

468
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 3: then it was well, people aren't going to let him

469
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Speaker 3: play because they don't.

470
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Speaker 2: Like his Christian values.

471
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: Like everybody made up some dumb ass story about why

472
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: tim people like you talk to coaches all the time.

473
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 3: I'm lucky enough in my life that there's a couple

474
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Speaker 3: of NFL coaches that I call a friend. I don't

475
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: know a single coach that's ever turned around and looked

476
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 3: at their family at dinner time and thought, you know what,

477
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 3: really need to be able to feed the family. This

478
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,239
Speaker 3: is what I love to do. This is how I

479
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 3: do it. I'm not gonna play Tebow. He's a Christian, Like,

480
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: that's just the stupidest you know what. Look, look, Timmy,

481
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: I know you want to go to private school. But

482
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: here's the thing. I don't really like Shadoor's attitude, so

483
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna play him like I just this stuff

484
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: is so stupid, Like.

485
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Speaker 4: Got too many speeding tickets, We can't put them out

486
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Speaker 4: there boys.

487
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Speaker 3: In fact, I think that if you put truth serum

488
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Speaker 3: in most coaches vans, you'd get the opposite answer. I

489
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: don't give a damn what you do when you're not

490
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: on the field. If you can help me win football games,

491
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Speaker 3: which is gonna help me get more powerful and more

492
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Speaker 3: rich and increase my ego, then I'm gonna play you.

493
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Speaker 2: Yes, there are.

494
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: Owners out there that step in the way and get stupid.

495
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: And yes, they're a franchise that en franchises that make

496
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 3: bad decisions, but it doesn't have to turn around and

497
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: suddenly be this grand conspiracy. They don't like his attitude,

498
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: they're not gonna play. There's no collusion against Shadour Sanders.

499
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Speaker 3: This stuff is just it's just maddening to me. He'll

500
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: get the opportunity to play, and he'll go out and

501
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: have his shot. I do not believe Kevin Stefanski is

502
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 3: sitting there saying let's adjust the depth chart of the

503
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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns because I don't like whatever people want to

504
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: manufacture about Shadoor Sanders. I just don't think that world

505
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Speaker 3: is real.

506
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Speaker 4: No, I believe that to be a disingenuous argument. And

507
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: I've been surprised by how many rational and reasonable people

508
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Speaker 4: fits in that, not just like dumb Twitter dialogue and

509
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 4: stuff like that, but how many like smart football people

510
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Speaker 4: have been willing to attach themselves to that kind of

511
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Speaker 4: a discussion, and there's there's interest in it. So I

512
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Speaker 4: suppose if you're if you're in sports media and you're

513
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Speaker 4: having some level of national dialogue around football right now,

514
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: you are tasked with having a Shador Sanders' opinion, and

515
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 4: if you don't have an opinion, a strong opinion on

516
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: Shador Standers other than are other than? Okay, I watched

517
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 4: I watched three quarters of Shador Sanders, and you know,

518
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 4: we've been doing it on the local show in Nashville

519
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 4: where I'm based, and under normal circumstances, we've been talking

520
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Speaker 4: about a lot of the rookie quarterbacks that have been

521
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 4: playing and what we can actually take away from Tyler

522
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Speaker 4: Shuck and Shador Sanders, Jackson Darton cam Ward in their

523
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: NFL preseason debuts when in reality, like Ward's out there

524
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 4: for fourteen snaps, what am I going to learn about?

525
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Speaker 4: I mean, there are things to take away from those

526
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Speaker 4: fourteen snaps, but that's not a legitimate sample size to

527
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Speaker 4: be able to evaluate what he might be as a

528
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Speaker 4: number one overall pick. Even the three quarters that Shadoor

529
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: played in I don't think are sufficient for you to

530
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: be able to determine whether this player is going to

531
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Speaker 4: have the requisite skills and processing ability and all the

532
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Speaker 4: different things required to play professional quarterback. I don't think

533
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 4: you're getting that out of the preseason game. Other than

534
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's good for him who's been in

535
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Speaker 4: the middle of this, this awful, awful dialogue. I genuinely,

536
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 4: I don't know how many people should, like should feel

537
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 4: bad for Shador Sanders. I feel bad for him though,

538
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: because I think he's handled all of this so so well.

539
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 4: FITZI the idea that he's not letting Dion come to

540
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: Brown's training camp practice because he doesn't want the thing

541
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Speaker 4: that that entire for lack of a better term, circus,

542
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 4: you know, to you reference t bou Mania, the similarities there,

543
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 4: that he doesn't want that to come in and overshadow

544
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Speaker 4: his teammates who are just trying to go out there

545
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 4: and do their jobs.

546
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Speaker 5: That is, that is a very mature.

547
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 4: Position from Shador, who's been who's had a lot of

548
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: personality traits placed on him or projected on him, just

549
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 4: because people are very familiar with his father and you know,

550
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: have seen, I mean in some form of fashion scene

551
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: Shador grow up in a reality television setting and assuming

552
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: a bunch of things about a kid that we're really

553
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: just getting to know. In the football world, obviously, people

554
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: are familiar with the Sanders family and familiar with Shador

555
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: and coaches will know this because they've done the scouting,

556
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: and they've done the research, and they've done the background work,

557
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: and all of that was good enough to make him

558
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 4: a fifth round draft pick, beyond some of.

559
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: The stuff that.

560
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: Saw him fall in the draft process that was brought

561
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 4: up about his potentially lacks approach to some of the

562
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 4: interviews in places that he wasn't that he wasn't going

563
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: to be drafted. But I know, on the whole, I

564
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 4: think he's managed the situation pretty well for somebody who

565
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 4: just arrived at this stage of the game. And you know,

566
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 4: I think the thing that frustrates me the most about

567
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 4: this is the organization that he plays with or plays

568
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 4: for is not one to be trusted because even though

569
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 4: I know Kevin Stefanski to be a good coach, and

570
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: Andrew Barry doesn't seem to have a problem acquiring talent

571
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: as a general manager, even though it hasn't translated to

572
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 4: playoff success in that way. At some point, the the

573
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: roster reaper will come for the executives and the Browns

574
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 4: organization like they're just a bad they're just a bad

575
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: football program at the top, Like if he was going

576
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: to have a chance to succeed. I wish you would

577
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: have gone somewhere that was more stable, more functional, more proven,

578
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 4: to not be a clown show at each and every turn.

579
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: All they're all they all the Cleveland Browns do as

580
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 4: a franchise is add fuel onto this ridiculous fire that's

581
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 4: already surrounding their fifth round quarterback. The fact that that

582
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: is a discussion point at all. And I know that

583
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: you know to to Stefancy's credit, he's had to manage

584
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: situations like this before. But even even even though I

585
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: know him to be good and good at what, he

586
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: doesn't like you mentioned yesterday to a two time Coach

587
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 4: of the Year and things like that, like even he

588
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: is beholden to that clown show of an organization because

589
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: they're the one forcing his hand on the Deshaun Watson

590
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: thing the last couple of years. I don't know how

591
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: much of that I can trust around him because he's

592
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: got a knife in his back making him repeat the

593
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 4: line over and over again. Deshaun Watson is our starting quarterback.

594
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: I swear to God, guys, he is.

595
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: The only real answer on shadur Is. Mike could like

596
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: to use the Southern cooqulism three quarters of football really

597
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: good and that might turn out to mean something and

598
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Speaker 3: it might not.

599
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: That's just not a sexy take that there is.

600
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: You said something though that has me thinking about why

601
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: we take sides on this. I want to get to that,

602
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: but we do have to get to the Tyraq play

603
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Speaker 3: of the day. I missed this earlier and we've got

604
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Speaker 3: a little baseball action here, so this obviously weird turn here.

605
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606
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Speaker 3: what and why they drive shit fast and free. Backed

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Speaker 3: mobile tire installation tyraq dot com the.

610
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Speaker 2: Way tire buying should be. Let's get the Tyrack play

611
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Speaker 2: of the day.

612
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Speaker 4: Hit high left center field at the fence.

613
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: Turns, Hey, big five Vladimir Carrero Junior.

614
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Speaker 1: What stunner step around second as he's slams the Blue

615
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: Jayson front two to one in the bottom of the seventh.

616
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: In a congrats to Lagarrero on their big win for them,

617
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: great great moment, two pros and a cup of Joe.

618
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: He's buck rising. I'm Jason fitz Here's what I don't understand.

619
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: Genuinely about the way we cover sports in general. Why

620
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: do we always have to take a side on every person,

621
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: every player that's a superstar or that plays at a

622
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: prominent position because we do something you mentioned earlier, like

623
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: you know, everybody has this big opinion now on Shudore.

624
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: Even smart people have big opinions on Shudre. What I

625
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: don't understand is why is it necessary to constantly have

626
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: a side so early? And we did this, Like I

627
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: mentioned Tibo Josh Allen. I was out ESPN at the

628
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: time when Josh Allen was drafted and people were doing

629
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 3: rips on what was wrong with Josh Allen all the time,

630
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: And then it felt like people were slow to react

631
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: to the changes in Josh Allen's games because they'd already

632
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: put their takes out on Josh Allen. And we've seen

633
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: the same with Lamar for every person that in the

634
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: beginning it was like, well Lamar can't throw, he's not

635
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: a good quarterback, and now they refuse to admit it.

636
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: It feels like people refuse to admit that maybe Trevor

637
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: Lawrence isn't quite the prospect that people thought he was

638
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: going to be. People don't want to change their opinion

639
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: on Justin Herbert at times like it feels like whatever

640
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: opinion you have of somebody, you just get more and

641
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: more dug in, particularly at the quarterback position, and Buck,

642
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: we don't do that. Like you know, I use Max

643
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: a lot, but as an example, but Max Crosby was

644
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: not a high draft pick, and nobody sat there at

645
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: the time and said, oh, Max sucks. Max sucks, And

646
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: nobody sat there, sits there now and defines him by

647
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: the fact that he was drafted outside of the first round,

648
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: right Like, this is the thing we do with quarterbacks,

649
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: particularly that I just think is asinine. Like, Okay, I today,

650
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: right now, I no longer care where Shad or Sanders

651
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: was drafted. That doesn't mean anything. All I care about

652
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: is is should we're going to have the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: come out and prove that he can play? And are

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Speaker 3: they going to develop him over time? And I think

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Speaker 3: those are all questions that we literally cannot have the

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Speaker 3: answer today.

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Speaker 4: One of the dumbest things that we do as a

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Speaker 4: sports society is the amount of overwhelming value we place,

659
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Speaker 4: or the amount of overwhelming value we assume that a

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Speaker 4: first round draft pick has versus the rest of the

661
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Speaker 4: draft process. There are so many more important things to

662
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Speaker 4: hitting on your Day two and Day three picks to

663
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Speaker 4: build out the bulk of your roster that will lead

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Speaker 4: to long term team success as opposed to the high

665
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Speaker 4: risk and a lot of times high reward that comes

666
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Speaker 4: with the first round draft pick just because you think

667
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Speaker 4: that the first round draft pick, or because we assign

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Speaker 4: we spend so much time talking about the names in

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Speaker 4: the first round over and over and over and over again.

670
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Speaker 4: And that's a lot of the most important positions, right

671
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: it's pass rusher, it's quarterback, it's wide receiver, and those

672
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Speaker 4: guys usually play for the biggest programs that we're most

673
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: familiar with. Those dudes are relying upon so many other

674
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Speaker 4: players on those roster that rosters that don't come in

675
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Speaker 4: with that level of pedigree, don't come in with that

676
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: level of hype to make sure that they succeed. It's

677
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Speaker 4: about the fundamental construction of the roster beyond just what

678
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Speaker 4: difference can one player make in this sport where it

679
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Speaker 4: is almost impossible for one player to make that big

680
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Speaker 4: of a difference. We have talked about this many many times.

681
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Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is the best quarterback in the sport, and

682
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Speaker 4: he got walloped in the Super Bowl because he plays

683
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Speaker 4: for a lesser team. There is no there is no

684
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Speaker 4: situation in professional football where one player is going to

685
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Speaker 4: be able to outright will you to a win in

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Speaker 4: a regular season game, in a playoff game in the

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl that way, That's not how this sport is built.

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Speaker 4: And yet we try and assign that kind of value

689
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Speaker 4: to these players who, in a lot of situations, are

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Speaker 4: just trying to find where they fit in the structure

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Speaker 4: of the organization, and try and assuming that that organization

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Speaker 4: has an actual plan to make sure that they succeed

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Speaker 4: at the highest level.

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Speaker 5: It drives me crazy.

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Speaker 4: It's one of my least favorite parts about the draft

696
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Speaker 4: that there is so much time, so much oxygen spent

697
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Speaker 4: on the first round, specifically when the rest of the

698
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Speaker 4: draft matters infinitely more.

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Speaker 3: I will add one thing to all of that. That's

700
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Speaker 3: brilliantly said by you. We have throw brilliantly.

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Speaker 4: Is it possible for me to sound brilliant before seven am?

702
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Speaker 4: Because I feel like I'm slurring my words, Scott, I

703
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: swear to god, I didn't go out last night.

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Speaker 2: No, well, I mean I did read that. I don't believe.

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Speaker 3: I will say that three quality quarters is something I'm

706
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: sitting here as part of my job. One thing I

707
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Speaker 3: scream all the time is I love proof of concept.

708
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Speaker 3: I'm sitting here nervous about the Atlanta Falcons this year

709
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Speaker 3: because as much as everybody wants to absolutely anoint Michael

710
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Speaker 3: Pennix Junior as the second coming for that franchise, and

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Speaker 3: I hope that happens, he's had about seven hundred and

712
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Speaker 3: fifty yards passing. To me, we haven't seen enough in

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Speaker 3: the limited time of Michael Pennick Junior to make any

714
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Speaker 3: sweeping statements, which is, by the way, the same thing

715
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Speaker 3: I said about the first year. Jordan loves starting, like, hey,

716
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: I got to see it for more than a year.

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Speaker 3: Like I think, what's wild to me is once you're starting,

718
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Speaker 3: we look at this and say, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: it was only only a few good games, only a

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Speaker 3: few weeks, only a few months. Let's see it for

721
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Speaker 3: another year. You got to get three years in and

722
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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, it's well, this guy, you know,

723
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Speaker 3: he's got to really elevate to the next level. All

724
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Speaker 3: of these things. We've seen three quarters of Chadur and

725
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: we're trying to fit him for a gold jacket.

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Speaker 2: I just I can't do it.

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Speaker 3: It's two pros where not Twitter is.

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Speaker 2: No that's fair, that's maybe.

729
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Speaker 3: That's maybe the real reality here is that social media

730
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Speaker 3: is not real's that's the real takeaway from this entire

731
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Speaker 3: conversation our conspiracies. Real in sports is the NFL trying

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Speaker 3: to make sure the Kansas City Chiefs get back to

733
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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. We'll tell you about the next Two

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Speaker 3: At the Home Depot. If you're a pro, you know

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Speaker 3: sponsored by the Home Depot. Conspiracy theories in sports. I'm

746
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Speaker 3: the worst. God, I just I'll say that loud and proud.

747
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: I am the worst.

748
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Speaker 5: I am. I don't know what we're talking about, but

749
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Speaker 5: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I so much here as you well know. And I

751
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 3: say all the time loudly and proudly. I don't really

752
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: care if we never walked on the moon, Like, it's

753
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Speaker 3: not gonna change my friday.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if.

755
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: The government really did the you know, all that, Like

756
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: if the wool is being pulled over our eyes, I.

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00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Don't, I don't. I don't care.

758
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: It's not gonna change my friday.

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00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 5: The world just happening around you.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 3: Look, I just I just don't. I'm almost people like

762
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: if you're if you come to me, And I've had

763
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: some glorious debates at bars like that because I don't care.

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Speaker 3: What I love is when people are really politically charged,

765
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Speaker 3: and I'm just like, yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't buy any of that, Like it's not that.

767
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: Look, it could be could these all things, all these

768
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: conspiracy theorists. I was on the tour buses with a

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Speaker 3: couple of conspiracy theorists, theorists that used to just sit

770
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: there all day and just obsess over these random conspiracy

771
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Speaker 3: theories about everything from again Walking on the Moon to

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Speaker 3: nine to eleven and like all of it, documentaries, everything,

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00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: and the whole time I'm like, yeah, I just don't

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00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: how does any of this impact my weekend to the

775
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: answer is that doesn't, So I don't really care about

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00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories. I also don't think society as a whole

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00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: is capable of keeping secrets. So like most of the time,

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00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: if I you know, if I get an argument in

779
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: my backyard, I know my neighbor, he's gonna tell one

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00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: of the neighbors across the street, and that neighbor's gonna

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00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: tell a neighbor across the street. Before you know it

782
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: is the telephone game. My god, we you and I

783
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: have spent a lot of time in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever lived in a city

785
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: that was more of.

786
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Speaker 3: A small town than Nashville. Everybody sort of knows everybody.

787
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: Your business gets on the street really quickly, and by

788
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: the time he gets back to you, it's ten times

789
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: what it was. Even if you go to your most

790
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: trusted friend and say, hey man, this is between you

791
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 3: and me, three days later, it's on whatever awful announcing

792
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: because somebody told somebody right like, there is no the

793
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: ability for most people to keep a secret is absolutely

794
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: not there. I think you have to stress that because

795
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: there are so many people that believe that sports leagues

796
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: are absolutely gearing towards certain franchises to win more. And

797
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: this comes up because Rashi Rice is going to have

798
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Speaker 3: his hearing for his suspension after his case on the thirtieth,

799
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Speaker 3: which means, because of the timing of that, going to

800
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Speaker 3: be able to play in at least the first four

801
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: games for the Kansas City Chiefs, four important games for

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs on the schedule. It should be noted that

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00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: the same day that he pled out on his case

804
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: was the same day that Jordan Addison pled out on

805
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Speaker 3: his duy case, and Jordan Addison is serving a three

806
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: game suspension to start the season. So plenty of people

807
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: yesterday on Twitter acts decided that this is because the

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00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: league has a bias towards the Kansas City Chiefs and

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00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: they want to make sure that the Chiefs are as

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Speaker 3: good as they can be for their big moments. Are

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Speaker 3: you buying conspiracy theories towards the Kansas City Chiefs by

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Speaker 3: the NFL.

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Speaker 4: No, of course, not what I'm most learning from the

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00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 4: more time that you and I spend together doing these

815
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: shows is that, my brother in Christ, you spend entirely

816
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 4: too much time paying attention to what people say on Twitter.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: I could not just twitter on social media generally for what.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there is no level of rational, reasonable discourse

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Speaker 4: that is being had on social media around any of

821
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Speaker 4: this stuff. Now, can you find the most polarizing elements

822
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Speaker 4: of it? Can you find the most fringe lunatics if

823
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 4: you are really seeking out those positions on social media?

824
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Speaker 4: Of course you can't, but for somebody who has mastered

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00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: the art of not caring in the middle of sports

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Speaker 4: or other kinds of arguments, Because there is nothing more

827
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Speaker 4: infuriating if you are trying to have a reasonable and

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Speaker 4: logical argument and you believe that you have fact based

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Speaker 4: information to try and you know, potentially expand somebody's worldview

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Speaker 4: on how.

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Speaker 5: They might want to think of things.

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Speaker 4: To just be greeted by somebody like Jason Fitz who

833
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Speaker 4: will just say to you, well, if you say so, there's.

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Speaker 5: Nothing more infuriating than that, Well.

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Speaker 4: If you say so, it's dismissive. It's annoying all of it.

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Speaker 4: So no, don't. I don't believe conspiracy theories in favor

837
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Speaker 4: or that leagues favor teams specifically and their competitive advantages.

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00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: I don't believe that refskew things in favor of the

839
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Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs. I believe that people make mistakes, and

840
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 4: I believe that those errors are hyper.

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Speaker 5: Scrutinized on social media.

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00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: And I believe that you can spin out on whatever

843
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 4: you want to spin out on if you've got enough

844
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: time on your hands to do exactly that. So in

845
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 4: this situation, does it optically look like the league is

846
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: favoring the Kansas City Chiefs in how this suspension is

847
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: going to be handed down? Because they do have critical games.

848
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Speaker 4: It's the Chargers in South Paolo. They've got the Eagles,

849
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Speaker 4: they've got The Giants are a less impactful game there.

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Speaker 4: One should imagine that they would be able to handle business.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I mean, Chiefs play a lot of

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Speaker 4: one score games. If the Giants