1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: Hi, Gat everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Jesse's Back in Town. Addition, 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: as we hear from Bengal safety Jesse Bates, who has 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: signed the franchise tag and started practicing with the team. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: We'll also hear from Thaddeus Moss on the Twitter firestorm 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: that resulted from his legal block last Sunday against the Giants, 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: and my broadcast partner Dave Lapham joins me to take 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: an in depth look at Wednesday's joint practice with the 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: La Rams. 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It's the greatest thing since getting new glasses. 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: For the first time in six years, I visited the optometrist, 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: shout out to doctor Jim Ellis and got the prescription 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: updated on my eyeglasses. Note to self, don't wait six 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: years next time. I feel like a new man, one 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: who can read a license plate on a moving car 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: a mile away. Okay, a slight exaggeration, perhaps, but uniform 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: numbers from the broadcast booth should be a breeze. Now, 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: let's get to my guests. In last Sunday's game against 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: the New York Giants, Bengals tight end Thaddius Moss attempted 26 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: to make a legal cut block on rookie defensive end 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux. It resulted in an awkward collision in Thibodeau 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: suffered a knee injury that initially looked severe, but thankfully 29 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: turned out to be an mcl sprain. However, the low 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: block also resulted in a Twitter firestorm, with some people 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: calling Moss dirty or even cowardly, before players around the 32 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: league came to his defense. I talked to Thaddius about 33 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: it on Wednesday. Were you kind of caught off guard 34 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: by the national reaction to that block the other night? No? 35 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't really caught off guard. I don't I don't 36 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: have social media on my phone. I'm not really into 37 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So did it catch me off guard. 38 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't really catch me any type of way. 39 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as I got to the locker room, 40 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: my teammates were already talking, you know, telling me about it. 41 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't I don't look into that stuff. 42 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: I don't put any value into that stuff. So was 43 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: I caught off guard by it? No? Watching the play, 44 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: it just looked like there was kind of an awkward 45 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: point where he didn't know whether you're going to go 46 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: high or low. You didn't quite know whether he was 47 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: going to go high and low? Is that just one 48 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: of those things that happens? I mean yeah, I mean 49 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: so first, first off, you know, I'm glad he's okay, 50 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: and there was nothing you know, major major um. You know, 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: I tried to reach out to him. Um, Like I said, 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: I don't have social media, so it's kind of hard 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: to reach out to people, you know nowadays without social media. Um. 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: So I'm glad he's okay. First. Um. But with the play, yeah, 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: it was it was an awkward play. Yeah, it was 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: this awkward play. You know, the way the way that 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: he m kind of played it and turned into it, 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, didn't didn't fully turn into it. It It just 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: turned into an awkward play with a bad result. You 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: know that play happens all the time. Was this a 61 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: bad a bad result? For visiting the Thaddius Moss? We 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: already know you're receiving ability that was well established before 63 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: you got here. I think you're trying to show everybody 64 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: that you can be a good blocker as well in 65 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: the NFL. So a play like that is very important 66 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: for you, I would think to make this team showing 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the ability to do what you have to do in 68 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: the blocking game, right, Um, I mean essentially, you know, 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm fighting for my life out here. That's the reality 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: of the situation. You know, I'm fighting for a roster spot. 71 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm fighting for my life out here. So anytime I 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: step on that field in the preseason game, every play 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: is important. You know, every play is important. You know, 74 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if I'm backside of the play from 75 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: front side, if it's a special team's rep, if it's 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is. Um, you know, every play's vital. 77 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: Every play is important. Um. You know, I'm I'm I'm 78 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: I'm coached and told I'm coached and told to do 79 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, to to I'm coached and and told my 80 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: job to do it. I need to go execute it, 81 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: you know. So at the end of the day, that's 82 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: just you know, I was coached and told to do 83 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: something I wouldn't execute the play. We see that block 84 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: in every NFL game. The Giants did the same block 85 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: in that game the other night. But there is a 86 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: little bit of a debate as to whether that block 87 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: should be part of the game. Do you have any 88 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: thoughts on I'm cutting guys and whether that's something that 89 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: should not be part of football. No, I don't really 90 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: have any thoughts of it. I mean, I know they 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: out ruled the you know, they took out the rule 92 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: of cutting on the you know, cutting on the perimeter. Um. 93 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: You know, if they start up that, if if I 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: started that debate up, you know, in regards to cutting 95 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: inside the tackle box, and so be it. Um. You know, 96 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really care for you know, 97 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: the rules are the rules. If they change them, they 98 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: change them. If they keep them, they keep them. You know, 99 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: It's just a part of a game. It's a part 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: of the game. And like you said, that play happens 101 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 1: every single drive, you know, every single drive. Every single 102 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: team does it. You know, so if they change the rules, 103 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: they change the rules. But as of right now, the 104 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: rules are the rules, and that happens every single drive. 105 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: Your position coach, James Casey had a long NFL career 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: primarily as a blocking tight end. That was the strength 107 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: of his game. As he talked to you and said, hey, 108 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: you were doing what you were supposed to do. Keep 109 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: your head out. Yeah, I mean Zach, so you know, 110 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor. He talked to me probably a few plays 111 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: after that, and he was like, you know, if it 112 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: makes you feel any better, He was like, there, you know, 113 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: they just ran the same exact play and they and 114 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: they just did the same exact thing to our defensive 115 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: and if that makes you feel any better, and then yeah, 116 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, James as well, position coach. He told me, 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: he was like, you know, there's nothing egregious about it. 118 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: There was nothing dirty about it. You know, you were 119 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, it was just what do your coach would do, 120 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: is what you were told to do. There's nothing dirty 121 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: about it, nothing crazy about it. You know, Football's football. 122 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: Change of subject. You're practicing and then playing against the 123 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: team you just competed against in a Super Bowl. How 124 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: unusual is this week for you guys, I mean for 125 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: the guys that played in the Super Bowl, you know, 126 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: I bet it's a little weird for him and they 127 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: probably feel some type of way, you know, for the 128 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: guys that didn't play in a super Bowl, I mean, 129 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: this is a big you know, with it being a 130 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: last week anyways, a preseason you know, roster cuts, it's 131 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: a big week anyways. And then on top of it, 132 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: if you played in that game, you know, this is 133 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: essentially four games and six days, you know, whatever whatever 134 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: it adds up to be, but essentially for four games, 135 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: and you know, in a week counting these two joint 136 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: practices is pretty much a game. So it's gonna be 137 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: fun week. You've added Hayden Hurst to your group this year. 138 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: I think he's been impressive with just how fluid he 139 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: is for a big athlete at your position. What have 140 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: been your impressions of him from practicing with him and 141 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: watching that tape on a daily basis. Well, I mean, 142 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: I think that's what stands out the most is just 143 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: you know how good he is moving, you know how 144 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: good he is in and out of his cuts. You 145 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: know how fast he is, how quick he is. I 146 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: think that's you know, that's the most obvious thing, the 147 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: most glaring thing. You know, not everybody can move like that. 148 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: You know, he was just giving those. You know, he 149 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: was kind of blessed. He was blessed with you know, 150 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: how fast and how quick he is, you know, so 151 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I think that's what stands out most. But Hayden's gonna 152 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: have a really, really good year, you know, really looking 153 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: forward to seeing that, and you know, happy for him 154 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: cause I know he's gonna have a good year in 155 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: this offense. Appreciate your time, Appreciate your candor best to 156 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: pluck this one flew. I appreciate it. Thank you. Patti 157 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: has has four catches for forty yards in the first 158 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: two preseason games, and that is the most of any 159 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: Bengals tight end. Von Bell famously arrives at the stadium 160 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: at the crack of dawn to work out, so imagine 161 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: his surprise on Tuesday when he finished his workout, got 162 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: to his locker, looked over his shoulder and saw a 163 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: teammate and close friend, Jesse Bates. What was Bell's reaction. 164 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: He's alive. It's following him, not seeing a ghost. But 165 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: it's just love. At the end of the day, he 166 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: hugging everybody, checking away. He Gladdy and makes sure everybody's okay, 167 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: and everybody makes sure he's all right. So it's always 168 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: just like I said, it's like a brotherhood's a family, 169 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: and it's a tight knit group. So it was great 170 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: to say. Bates finally signed the twelve point nine million 171 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: dollar franchise tag on Tuesday and reported a training camp. 172 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: Here are Chittabaya, Woo Jay and Joe Burrow on having 173 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: the twenty five year old safety back in the building. 174 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: It's always good to have one of your leaders, guys 175 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: who went to World with especially after the season we 176 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: had last year. You know God that we all trust 177 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: and believe in, so this is a great feeling to 178 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: happen back. Yeah, everyone loves Jesse, So when you have 179 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: a guy like that, it's great in the locker room, 180 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: great on the field, and is in the situation that 181 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: he is. You're back as much as you can because 182 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: now everyone loves Jesse. So like I said, his business 183 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: is his business. I know he would have would like 184 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: to get a deal done, but it didn't happen. He's 185 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: here now ready to play. As you would expect, Jesse 186 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: won't do much at practice for a few days, but 187 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: when asked if he'll be ready for the season opener 188 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: against the Steelers, he said absolutely. Bates is obviously disappointed 189 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: that he wasn't able to reach an agreement on a 190 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: contract extension, but he's betting out himself this year. It's 191 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: a great opportunity for me to continue to present what 192 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm about who I am to this franchise and other 193 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: teams as well. So, like I said, I'm looking at 194 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: this as an opportunity to prove that I'm one of 195 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: the best safeties in this league. And I'm not sure 196 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: why I'm not there yet, but this is, like I said, 197 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity for me to create some 198 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: wealth for my family. You know, it's not a bad 199 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: number at all. This franchise tag number isn't bad, So 200 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be naive to that. So, like I said, 201 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: I'm blessed. I'm happy to be here. While he's been gone, 202 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: first round draft picked Dax Hill has gained valuable experience 203 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: practicing with the first team defense, and he had an 204 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: interception on Sunday night against the Giants. Then there's fifth 205 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: round draft hick Tyson Anderson, who ranked second on the 206 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: team and tackles in the first two preseason games. Bates 207 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: says he understands why the Bengals used two of their 208 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: six draft picks unsafeties. I think in any business, uh, 209 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: in any negotiations, leverage is the biggest part of that. 210 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: And I understand that me and Bonn are on our 211 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: last year of our deals, So I mean it made 212 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: sense for them to draft two safeties. M that's the 213 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: uncomfortable conversations. But honestly, I don't care about the uncomfortable 214 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: conversations at this point. So yeah, I expected that. UM. 215 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: I had a call with coach Taylor UM I think 216 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: a couple of days before the draft, and I told 217 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: him I wouldn't be there at OTAs until I got 218 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: a contract. So I expected them to draft safety. And 219 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: like I said, I don't take it personally. UM. I 220 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: look at it as an opportunity for Dax and uh 221 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: Tie as well to come in and contribute to this team. 222 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: It's a cycle. UM. I got drafted here second round 223 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: and they cut George Iloka and I became a starter. 224 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: UM I'm not sure if that was a decision from 225 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: h my guy Ta, who was the defensive coordinator with 226 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: the Stillers now. But he told me that we were 227 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: gonna compete. He told me Sean, Sean Williams and George 228 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: that we were going to compete for the starting job. 229 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: And I know George was supposed to make whatever, eight 230 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: million or whatever, and I was supposed to make five 231 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: hundred thousand, So it made it made sense. Um. It's 232 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: something that, like I said, I've paid attention to um 233 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: throughout my years in this league, and I think that's 234 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: what other players, young players should do as well. Jesse 235 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: did not have a great regular season last year, but 236 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: he was exceptional in the playoffs with a pair of 237 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: interceptions and six pass deflections. If he plays like he 238 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: did in those four games, he will become one of 239 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: the highest paid seat in the league, whether it's in 240 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: Cincinnati or elsewhere. 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For the most part, 246 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: the Bengals starters have not seen action in the first 247 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: two preseason games, but nearly all of them, including Joe Burrow. 248 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: We're on the field Wednesday for the first of two 249 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: joint practices against the Rams, and that's also expected to 250 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: be the case on Thursday. After the Bengals and Rams 251 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: walked off the field on Wednesday, I discussed that first 252 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: joint practice with my broadcast partner Dave lapham Lap. The 253 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: first of two joint practices against the Super Bowl champion 254 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: La Rams is in the books. Give me a couple 255 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: of things that stood out to you. It was good 256 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: work for the office. It's because the Rams running unique 257 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: style of defense dan where they play like a soft 258 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: umbrella coverage and they break downhill on the football and 259 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: they can do that because the pass rush is so 260 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: extreme you gotta get the ball out of your hand quickly. 261 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: So they're jumping routes and they're jumping routes left right. 262 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: They don't worry about double moves. They don't think, you know, 263 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are gonna have time to execute that. So they've 264 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: got a secondary of personnel that fits that scheme. They 265 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: have a pass rush led by ninety nine that is 266 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: uh you know, going to get to the quarterback quickly, 267 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: particularly in the middle of the pocket, getting to the 268 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: quarterback quickly, making them get rid of it, can't see 269 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: the field as well. I mean, it's a hell of 270 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: a hell of a good work to work against. And 271 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: they had had some good moments, had some tough moments, 272 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: and that's that's what it's all about. On the other 273 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: side of it, I thought that the Bengals defense, from 274 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: what I saw working against number one RAMS unit, is 275 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: the Rams couldn't really run the ball that well. There 276 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: was no tackling, but there wasn't much room to run 277 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: the football. And two minute drills in that sequence of 278 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: situational football defense got two interceptions to end both of 279 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: the two minute drills. Very positive sign obviously, So I 280 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: felt like, okay, working number one. They haven't really played 281 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: in preseason games. The Bengals offensive line hadn't really worked 282 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: together hardly at all. They took about fifty percent of 283 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: the snaps. Maybe, so it stands to reason that a 284 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: defense like that would be ahead of the offense, even 285 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: though if both units hadn't really done all that much 286 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: in terms of full speed, that the defense might be 287 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: ahead of the offense, and I think that was the 288 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: case on both sides of the line of scrimmage. I 289 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: thought the Bengals defense won to one on one pass rills, 290 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: rush drills overall. I thought the same for the Rams 291 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: defensively winning against the Bengals offensive line one on one 292 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: pass rush drill overall. So I do think the defense 293 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: is probably a little bit ahead of the offense. And 294 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't stun me because, like I said, it's almost 295 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: like the beginning stage is a training camp almost in 296 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: terms of getting exposed. You're a high temple practice. But overall, 297 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: I thought they got a lot of work done. I 298 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: thought the temple was really good. They stayed on their feet, 299 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: there was no chippiness, but they get after each other 300 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: pretty well. I thought it was real good work, and 301 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: let's see how they build on it, build on that tomorrow. 302 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: You stood next to Aaron Donald on the sideline, up 303 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: close and personal. You watched him on a lot of 304 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: these snaps at practice. Today. You played against me and 305 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: Joe Green, you played against Curly Coulp and other greats 306 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: of your era. Is he among the greatest defensive linemen 307 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: in NFL history? Yeah, when you look at him, you're 308 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: not over the intimidated by his size, but then you 309 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: watch his first his explosiveness is unbelievable. And honestly, I 310 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: was talking to a couple of RAMS coaches after practice 311 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: and they said, he wasn't giving you the full speed. 312 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: He's got another gear. I said, get out of here, 313 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, no, no, he was going but not 314 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: like going. And I'm like, oh, man, he's just he's 315 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: got it all. He's got that first step, He's into 316 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: you before you can move. He gets off the ball 317 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: so quickly. His hands were a blur. I mean, he 318 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: does martial arts stuff to work on his hands, and 319 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: it's like you're going against the jiu jitsu king. It's like, like, 320 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, we're ar his hands. What's he doing? And 321 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: it's all I was thinking, Okay, if I'm playing against him, 322 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: would I try to jam them and get that arm extension? Nah? 323 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: Not my hand down, and now he'll be at my 324 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: shoulder like that. Do I keep my hands low and 325 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: try to absorb them and he bulls you to death. 326 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: He's a problem, man. I don't know. I think maybe 327 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: the best thing is to get your hands and be patient. 328 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: But then a six inch jab you know, as hard 329 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: as you can and not overextend, because that's all he's 330 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: looking for you to do, is overextend any way, shape 331 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: or forhim. But man, this this guy is the real deal. 332 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean to say, so and so is going to 333 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: single up on Aaron Donald. I don't care who the 334 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: guy is. That's asking a lot. He is special. And 335 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that stood out to me today. 336 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't like cord of Olson or Alex Kappa spent 337 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: the day blocking Aaron Donald. They moved him up and 338 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: down the line, so at some point, every single guy 339 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: on that offensive line had his crack at trying to 340 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: block Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is an equal opportunity butt 341 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: whooper he wants to he doesn't want it. He wants 342 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: every offensive lineman when the game is over to say, oh, 343 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: not just the one poor guy that maybe won against 344 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: him every snap. He wants to get a taste in 345 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: the piece of everyone plus what he does. And I've 346 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: seen this, you know, with other great pass rushers. This 347 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: is the fish, this is the one I can utilize 348 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: most of my moves against. So he goes, he explores. 349 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about when we're in the regular 350 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: season game time, he'll study tape and he'll have an idea, 351 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: but then they'll get out there and move around to 352 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: make sure that his idea is proper, and he'll whoever 353 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: you are that gets chosen. When you're the chosen one, 354 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: you don't want to be the chosen one. And then offensively, 355 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: you have to make adjustments, you know, and you have 356 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: to put more than one guy on him. And the 357 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: one thing you do with Aaron Donald, and it's that 358 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: way with every great player. You break the huddle, come 359 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage and you're looking a lot 360 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: of times it might be you know, where's that safety. 361 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: He's such a great plitz where you look for where's 362 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: that linebacker? He can blitz from anywhere. You're going to 363 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: locate him and set our past protection accordingly. You got 364 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: to find ninety nine. Like you said, he's here there everywhere, 365 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: so we'll be aware. You got to locate him and 366 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: adjust your protections accordingly, because that is beast mode. Just 367 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: follow the yellow gloves. That's how you can tell where 368 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: he is on the defensive line. Let's move from Aaron 369 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Donald to Jalen Ramsey. When the two teams came out 370 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: to stretch and warm up. Jesse Bates walked over to 371 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: dap up Jalen Ramsey. They are both listed at six one. 372 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey's got two inches on Jesse Bates. I don't 373 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: know why he's listed at six one. I'm six one. 374 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey I think is six three at least. He's huge, 375 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: long wing span, obviously incredibly athletic. It's easy to understand 376 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: when you see him in person why he's Jalen Ramsey. 377 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: You hear all the time coaches talk about a tight 378 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: end or a wide receiver of the big catch radius. 379 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey has a big catch radius. I mean, that's 380 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: why he'll make plays on football. Is like, how did 381 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: he do that? You know, not only closing on it, 382 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: but to actually it almost looked like specter gadget. You know, 383 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: it just keeps going and going, and he makes plays 384 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: on the football. He's a big man, and you know, 385 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: and he loves the physicality of the game. And with 386 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: all of that said, to think he can't be a 387 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: great one on one coverage. He's sticky man. He beats 388 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: you up and rewrot you. But he had his plays. 389 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: A guy named Jamar Chase had his. I mean it 390 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: was a good battle, good match. There are two great 391 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: players and that's what I really liked about this practice 392 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: as well. Those guys getting reps against each other. That's 393 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: at the highest level. I mean, you can't find a 394 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: better matchup to get ready for the regular season. They 395 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: have it a full practice, whether it be individual drills, 396 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: teamwork against a guy like that for the offensive line 397 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: and Volson and who however, against a guy like Aaron Donald. 398 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you just you can't manufacture anything better. So 399 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: it is going to make it. It's good work for 400 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: the regular season. And basically you look at it as 401 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: not games, but back to back, high tempo you know, 402 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: good football workouts against really good competition. On the other 403 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: side of it, Cooper Cup amazes me, this guy. And 404 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: you know when you have a quarterback like Stafford who's 405 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: on the same page. They run so many option routes 406 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 1: that they are on the exact same page at the 407 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: exact same moment. He can't coach that stuff. Some guys 408 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: either have it or they don't. And both of these 409 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: guys have that, like esp anticipation. They are on the 410 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: same page so many times when they're not. It's like, 411 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, how did that happen? You know? But 412 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: man and the thing watching Cooper Cup come off the 413 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. If I'm in defensive back, he's eight 414 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: yards into his route and he has given no indicator 415 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: as to what he's gonna do. That's a bad feeling, 416 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: you know. He hasn't dipped his shoulder, he hasn't changed 417 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: his game. He had no tip on if he's gonna 418 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: break in, I'll go. It's like, oh my gosh, what 419 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 1: do you do? And that's what makes him so great. 420 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: He's not necessarily the fastest guy, but he is. He 421 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: is so unbelievably talented route runner with just giving you 422 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 1: the same look every single Roddy runs, starts off looking 423 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: the exact same man he is, and won the Triple 424 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: crown one hundred and forty five catches, almost two thousand yards, 425 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 1: sixteen touchdowns, ridiculous stuff. And at some point he had 426 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: so many more catches than anybody they're doubling in their triple. 427 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: He's still those guys, I mean Stafford and Cupp. Watching 428 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: those two work together, that's as high level as it 429 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: gets too. So there was a lot of good work 430 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: out there for sure. He also in Super Bowl MVP. Unfortunately, 431 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: as we remember, I didn't keep detailed stats today. I 432 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: was kind of looking at the offense for a few plays. 433 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: Then I turned my head and looked at the defense 434 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: on the other field for a few plays. But while 435 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: I was watching the offense, I think Caden Hurst had 436 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: the most receptions of anybody. Joe Burrows timing and confidence 437 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: in chemistry with him is growing pretty quickly. I think, yeah, 438 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: And I think like everybody's thinking, even against this defense 439 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: where they were playing that soft coverage and breaking, then 440 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: he can hurt that. He can find spaces in there 441 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: where he can hurt that. Uh, and he made some 442 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: players and I think you know, in the press pressor 443 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: today Joe Burrow said, yeah, when we've got three really 444 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: good ones real three good wide receivers and Hayden Hurst, 445 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: we expect him to get favorable matchups in him for 446 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: taking to take advantage of those. And I think he's 447 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: going to. I think he's gonna have a big year. 448 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: He's got size speed ratio that's very good. He's got 449 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: long arms, he does have a good catch radius. And 450 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: I do think now that Jesse Bates is back, we 451 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: talk about the three wiles, how about the three safeties. 452 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean that that three safety package that lou and 453 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: Um was going to be messing with and messing with 454 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: the minds of offensive coordinators and quarterbacks all year. That's 455 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: as good as recent as there is in a league 456 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: as well. So the Bengals are have got some pretty 457 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: good personnel at key places that they need to have it. 458 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: It's been a little bit more than a week since 459 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow returned. Does he look like he's close to 460 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: normal to you? I think he's getting close. I think 461 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: I asked him in the pressure today if Sunday were 462 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: if it were a Sunday game against the Rims instead 463 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: of a Saturday preseason game, could you play? He said, 464 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: I could play, but I don't think I'd be playing 465 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: as well as I could without the rest of training camp. 466 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: There's a process in training camp that I want to continue, 467 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: and and that's that's a fair answer. But for him 468 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: to get up there and say I could play, I 469 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: think is a huge indicator that he feels good. He's 470 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: ramping up. I think he lost fifteen pounds. I bet 471 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: he's got ten of it back, So I think he's 472 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: getting close and he's still fearless. I mean, the guy 473 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: he feels nothing. I thought it was interesting they ran 474 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback draw against the The Rams side line defenders 475 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: were not happy with that call. When's that called that 476 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: quarterback draw in the in the to generate a first 477 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: out and try to get fifteen yards for after that 478 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: another fifteen yards. Chunk played a kick a field goal, 479 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: but the fact that he doesn't hesitate to do it 480 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: because sometimes contact is not intentional, and you know, you 481 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: start to try a quarterback drawn you're sifting through traffic. 482 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they feel really good about where he is, 483 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow feels really good about where he is too. 484 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: In our pregame show on Sunday night, you said I'd 485 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: like to see the coaches play court elvols and at 486 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: left guard for the entire game, evaluate him, he needs 487 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: the work, etc. That's exactly what they did. Now that 488 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: you've had a chance to review it. How did he do? 489 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: You know? I think he did pretty well. I thought 490 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: he was pretty consistent. Um. You know, he's catching a 491 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: lot of heat for this um corner nickel corner blitz 492 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: that you came off the slot. He was a full 493 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: scan but that was not his primary scan position. His 494 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: primary scan was inside, and he wanted him make sure 495 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: that you take care of that inside. Now, could he 496 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: have gotten out there potentially and given a bonus pick up. Yeah, 497 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: But as a rookie, it's like, what if I start 498 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: out there and then a guy to label it's his 499 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: inside and that's why I was supposed to block. So 500 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: he's kind of like between a rock and a hard place. 501 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: You know. That really wasn't his assignment, but in a 502 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: perfect world, it could have been his assignment. If his 503 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: guy doesn't come, you get out there and okay, so 504 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: now you live and learn. But do I give him 505 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: a minus for that play? Not really, because he wants 506 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: to make sure that that inside blitzer doesn't blitz. He 507 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: wants to take care of that assignment. The more snaps 508 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: he takes in the NFL, it'll be all right. Well 509 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: if he's not coming, now he's not coming, I can 510 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: get out there, you know. So you can't lock on 511 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: too long against a guy and live and learn. So 512 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: I think I think that if that was the most 513 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: egregious mistake he had, And in my mind it's not 514 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: an error, it's just he didn't give you the bonus 515 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: to value of the bonus points. So I think men only. 516 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: He didn't have any brain farts, which is a plus, 517 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: and he's still when he gets his hands on people 518 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: he can finish. Was it perfect now? Far from perfect? 519 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: But um, I think he showed that you can work 520 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: with it. That's for darn't you. You can definitely work 521 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: with it. Zach Taylor said today that the starting left 522 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: guard spot has not been determined yet. Jackson Carmen is 523 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: still in the running. He came back from his positive 524 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: COVID diagnosis today. Uh do you buy that? Is it 525 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: still up for grabs? Is Cordell Wolson significantly ahead? Where 526 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: do you think that stands? Yeah? It's to me. Um, 527 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: I think I think this tape of the ramps week 528 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: or practice is going to be big because the one 529 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: thing Wolson can do is anchor and we've seen Jackson 530 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: Carmen have anchor ability issues. He gets his paddlele high. 531 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: Volson doesn't really get his paddlele high that if he does, 532 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: it's a it's a rarity, it's not a regular occurrence. 533 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: So you know, just fundamental things like playing with that 534 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: good pad level, being in a good football position to 535 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: power and finish people. I mean when when Jackson Carman 536 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: does it right, oh my gosh, man, it's good, but 537 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't always do it right, and it's I think 538 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: it's more of a focus thing. So now it boils 539 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: down to maybe, you know, cheez. While they're both they've 540 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: both done some good things. Like I said before, I 541 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: think Jackson's bar may be higher, but as low bar 542 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: is so much lower, and Wilson's bar as high bar 543 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: is not quite as high, but as low bar is 544 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: nowhere near as low. So if I'm picking a guy, 545 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: might trust the guy whose highs and lows are closer 546 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: together than Big Peak, Big Valley. You know. So what 547 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: Jackson's going to do in a hurry here is improve 548 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: that consistency on a snap by snap basis. And and 549 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: don't you know be at the top and Mountain versus 550 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: and then the lower Death Valley. You know, you can't 551 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: can't be doing those things. Jesse Bates came back a 552 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: little bit sooner than I anticipated. I thought it was 553 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: going to be after the final preseason game instead of 554 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: the week leading up to the final preseason game. Why 555 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: do you think he chose to come back when he did? 556 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: I think he missed it. I think he missed his teammates. 557 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: I think he probably it was conveyed to him. Look, 558 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to ramp you up, so we're 559 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: going to give you a few days where he'd like today, 560 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: all he did was a few individual things. He didn't 561 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: have his helmet or anything, pads on or anything like that. 562 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: He's on the commissioners example list, so there's only things 563 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: that he's allowed to do, and that's for a two 564 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: week timeframe, so by collective bargain agreement. As we know, 565 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: when they start training camp for four days, they're not 566 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: even in pads or helmets. So I don't think Zach 567 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: wants to hurry him in, but for him to be 568 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: on the sideline of his teammates listening to the coaches 569 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: talking about what's going on with the rams and seeing 570 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: what took place and the adjustments and all that. I 571 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: think when he was in that suite looking at that 572 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: game from that that advantage point at at pay Course Stadium, 573 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: he thought, I missed this, you know, and I want 574 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: to get back with my guys. I really think that's 575 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: kind of what it boiled down to. And then when 576 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: he was thinking, you know, he keeps himself in such 577 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: great shape, he feels like he can play, and he 578 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: probably could. But man, when he woke up money morning, 579 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: it was just like a few days before the Steelers game, 580 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: he would feel like, you know, football rigamort to set in. 581 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: So now he can there's conditioning and then there's football shape. 582 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: He can get himself in a little bit better football shape, 583 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: anchor's pads a little bit doing some things that you know, 584 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: it takes a few days to get done, and you 585 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: go through the okay, what's you feel like, get through 586 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: the storeness and all that, and you start to get 587 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: in football shape. So I think he made a good decision, 588 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, to give himself a little bit of time 589 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: to ramp up to it instead of like, boy and 590 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: three days I got game and I'm gonna be going 591 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Well that's a physical football team, 592 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: that's a division rival. That's going to be a banger, 593 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: you know. And at least now he's got a few 594 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: days to get ready for that. Were you as hot 595 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: out there as I was today, dude? I was moist 596 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: the whole day. I broke a lather and it never 597 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: went away. I mean, you know, they study. The humidity 598 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be that bad, but I thought there 599 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: were humans hanging from everywhere out there, Pegan Lynn, we're 600 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: on our way home. We better get those showers going. 601 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: No doubt I see cold shower time. Saturday's game at 602 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: pay Courts Stadium starts at six our Pregame coverage on 603 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals Radio Network will begin at four thirty. That's 604 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of The Bengals 605 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: Booth Podcast, presented by Ultimate Bengals. Download Ultimate Bengals ahead 606 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two season. 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