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Speaker 2: What's been a special week here in Indianapolis. Chargers Weekly

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Speaker 2: as always joined by Bat Buddy Smith. This is podcast

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Speaker 2: number four of the week. I don't even know how

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Speaker 2: many interviews we've done a lot, but we'll enter on

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Speaker 2: a high note with Matt Miller, Brett Coleman Money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brett Partner partners with us and the Chargers does

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Speaker 3: an awesome job. So I'm guessing a lot of folks

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Speaker 3: YouTube channel. There's a reason why he's got four hundred

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Speaker 3: our friend Lancer line from earlier, this week is one

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Speaker 3: And Brett's got an answer for you. Knows exactly what

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna nice thing about you know being here

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of what Brett helps us get through.

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Speaker 2: Great conversation about players that we probably in front haven't

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Speaker 2: kind of enough to join us, and great conversation with him.

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Speaker 2: Brett later, here's Matt Buddy. Yet another friend of the podcast,

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Speaker 2: Matt Miller joins us. ESPN's Matt Miller. Matt did great

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Speaker 2: work for us during the draft a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: and it's a pleasure to have you back, bro.

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Speaker 4: It's still weird to, you know, hear the ESPN after

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Speaker 3: Now that's great fun. You're on TV every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the positional rankings. Matt does it all. And certainly, you know,

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Speaker 3: as as Chris said, you know haven't worked with us.

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Speaker 4: I think he's just that one guy. I like Bonnicks

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Speaker 4: So crazy things happen when teams need quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: We always hear from teams, you know, we draft the

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Speaker 4: So my number one player kill Williams. Take him off

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Speaker 4: these guys are the good players. But you know, everyone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the you know, one of the things that jo

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Speaker 2: is is it just not quarterback at five that somebody

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Speaker 4: But you got you gotta also think about asset management

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Speaker 2: Corners in age, I like this Jesse min Or defense.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's we're talking about wide receivers, tackles, quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: But you need depth at those spots.

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't know what the future is some

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Speaker 5: scouting scafs the scouting STAPs and then like go through

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Speaker 5: all their notes and kind of be like, Okay, well,

437
00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,200
Speaker 5: if you need this exact skill set, this is actually

438
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 5: the guy we want in the third round instead of

439
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,359
Speaker 5: the one in the first round. Then we can kind

440
00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,119
Speaker 5: of come up with like a better package of players

441
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040
Speaker 5: that fit with our coaches. The Chargers, I think are

442
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,040
Speaker 5: actually in a very unique position because Jim knows all

443
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,800
Speaker 5: these these guys. He was working the portal, like he

444
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,480
Speaker 5: was recruiting these guys. You know, he's eighteen kids here

445
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,439
Speaker 5: from Michigan. So, like, I think the Chargers have a

446
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,879
Speaker 5: potential to kind of pull like an early twenty ten

447
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 5: Seahawks where Pete came in right, and he knew all

448
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,040
Speaker 5: these kids, and you know, he took Earl Thomas over

449
00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:27,280
Speaker 5: Taylor Mays. He just had it. But that's that's real, right,

450
00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,440
Speaker 5: That's real. And so Jim's one of the few head

451
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,560
Speaker 5: coaches in the NFL now that is not just coming

452
00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:35,159
Speaker 5: into this.

453
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Speaker 1: Class right now.

454
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,080
Speaker 5: He's he's been on this class since before they were

455
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,359
Speaker 5: even in college. So the Chargers have an opportunity here,

456
00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,080
Speaker 5: and I think they will ultimately have a phenomenal draft

457
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 5: just because they have that institutional base that nobody else does.

458
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Speaker 2: We get so hung up on five for good reason.

459
00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,919
Speaker 2: I think a lot of our conversation starts with what

460
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 2: are the Charges going to do at five? And I

461
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 2: think there's a split among fans some fantasy like, hey,

462
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,879
Speaker 2: we don't need a receiver. We just drafted one in

463
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,880
Speaker 2: the first round. We have Keenan Allen Mike Williams fan. Now,

464
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,800
Speaker 2: you know, we'll figure out what happens with the cap,

465
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 2: but can you just kind of put into context why

466
00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,800
Speaker 2: we're talking about the wide receivers at five, because those

467
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,200
Speaker 2: are the best players overall I think in this draft.

468
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, defensive tackle is something I think we need

469
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 2: to talk about among charges fans, corner a number of

470
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 2: different positions. But the reason we're so hung up on

471
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 2: the wide receivers at five is because those are the

472
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 2: best players in this draft.

473
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Speaker 1: They are like full stop there.

474
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,040
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously Marvin Junior is incredible, and Rome is amazing,

475
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 5: and obviously in the Laigue neighbors, I would even I

476
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 5: would consider brock Bowers in that kind of tier of

477
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 5: just pass catcher. We're just talking about weapons, right, But

478
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,399
Speaker 5: at the same time, I think a pitfall that's snuck

479
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,159
Speaker 5: up on me. I don't know, I can't speak for

480
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 5: you guys, but at least it snuck up on me

481
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 5: our last couple of years, where you know, we go

482
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 5: in it every year and we're like, oh, man, I

483
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 5: really like this Chargers roster. They got a top tier quarterback,

484
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 5: they got left tackle. When the receivers are healthy. You know,

485
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 5: we like the receiver. We like all the weapons, right,

486
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 5: they got a pass rushing trio that we like. So

487
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 5: you got the meat and potatoes, but you don't have

488
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 5: the veggies. Like the rest of the roster was just

489
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 5: it was not deep enough to sustain through the rigors

490
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 5: of an NFL season. And I think if you're looking

491
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,880
Speaker 5: at what to do at five, yes, you could get

492
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,879
Speaker 5: another pass catcher and that would make us all feel

493
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 5: good and you know, it'd be awesome to go through

494
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,919
Speaker 5: highlights and just get excited about that. Is it gonna

495
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 5: help you stop Isaiah Pacheco in December?

496
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 1: You know?

497
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 5: Is it gonna help you try to cover DeVante Adams?

498
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 1: Like?

499
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 5: Probably not. And that's kind of what the actual problems are,

500
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 5: not to mention, like, this is a team that's gonna

501
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 5: be going, that's gonna be making a lot of financial

502
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 5: decisions over the next couple of weeks. They need picks,

503
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 5: they need cheap talent, they need a volume of talent,

504
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 5: kind of similar to what we what we've seen with

505
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 5: other teams where you know, we saw Indy have like

506
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 5: fourteen picks last year. You know we saw the Rams

507
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 5: have fourteen picks like that. That's what the Chargers need.

508
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 5: They need picks, They need guys because one guy is

509
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 5: not going to fix everything, and I ultimately that's why

510
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 5: I advocate for a trade down. Honestly, the Holy Grail

511
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 5: scenario is a double trade down where like, hey, let's

512
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 5: say a quarterback sitting there at five, we ransom him

513
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 5: off to Atlanta.

514
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: Okay, we got JJ McCarthy's sitting.

515
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 5: There at eight, and I know Jim's loves JJ McCarthy,

516
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 5: so he knows that teams are gonna watch j.

517
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Speaker 1: You're just thinking Jaden slips to five.

518
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 5: If Jaden slips to five, trade down, trade down again

519
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 5: to like eleven, just get picks.

520
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: Do you think Jayden slips to five?

521
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 5: Though?

522
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think Washington can afford not selecting a quarterback.

523
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 5: So I if I had to guess, and again I

524
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 5: have no inside knowledge on this quarterback at one, quarterback

525
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 5: at two, and then Marvin is just so good. I

526
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 5: think he goes three, and then Arizona's going to be

527
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 5: open for business at four, But that could be Drake

528
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 5: ba three, it could be or I mean, any of

529
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 5: the top three quarterbacks. One's gonna be Kleb. But like,

530
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 5: I think Arizona is gonna be open for business, and

531
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Speaker 5: I think the Chargers to be open for business because

532
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 5: both teams just need picks really bad.

533
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 3: I just can't envision him making it to five. I

534
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 3: think that's the thing. Like, I get what you're saying

535
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: that New England could just feel like this is Larry

536
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald Part two. It's Marvin Harrison. Think about what he

537
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: meant to that franchise, So we'll take him. But then

538
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: I would just assume if you're Arizona, you'd probably want

539
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 3: to trade down right to take advantage of it.

540
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 5: I would, unless they have just an astronomical grade any

541
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 5: of these receivers, Yeah, which they might, Yeah they might,

542
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 5: you know, because these guys are better than you know,

543
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 5: the most receivers that have come out.

544
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: That the thing.

545
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: And this is the first time we brought it up

546
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: third day, but I think you just you phrased it

547
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 3: so perfectly bright it it kind of made it click

548
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: for me. The reason why you want to trade down

549
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 3: repeatedly with this particular team right now is just look

550
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 3: what they did at Michigan you're talking about and look,

551
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they weren't getting a top twenty class,

552
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: but they're not Ohio State, they're not Alabama. They're taking

553
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: a lot of three star kids and they got eighteen

554
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 3: of them here. This is a staff that knows how

555
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: to develop. So you want more fourths, more fifths, more

556
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: six because of how good they are. Those are still

557
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: four star kids they're getting drafted into the NFL. Yeah,

558
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: just how good they were at developing talents didn't really

559
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 3: click until you just said that, Like, hey, get ten

560
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: twelve picks because this coaching staff is incredible. Ben Herbert

561
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 3: is incredible at turning three stars into five stars by

562
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: the time he's done with them.

563
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 5: Not to mention, like we had the conversation about, Hey,

564
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: this coaching staff knows this draft class better than anybody else.

565
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: Why not weaponize that. Why not let them the year

566
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: to do it. This is the year to do it.

567
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 5: They know all these guys, So the hit rate, if

568
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 5: we go for a high volume strategy, the hit rate

569
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 5: for the Chargers will be higher than any team in

570
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 5: the NFL that tries to do the same thing because

571
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 5: they know all these guys. So use that to the advantage.

572
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: You know, go get you know, a pass rusher out

573
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 5: of Colorado State named Mo Kamara who's second and pressure

574
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: is in the entire college for like you can you

575
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 5: can get him in the third round. And they know

576
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 5: this guy, right, they've seen him for years, like they

577
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 5: recruited him. So like that's that's what I'm advocating for. Like,

578
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 5: you want as many second and third round picks in

579
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 5: this class as you can possibly get, and I think

580
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 5: they're gonna try to do that.

581
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: Defensively, Let's go back to the just the lines, right,

582
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: because when Minter was at Michigan, he had Hutchinson a

583
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 2: Java one year and then those guys leave and then

584
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: they really relied on guys like Mason Graham and Chris Jenkins.

585
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: When you look at the Chargers line. Now, we don't

586
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen with Joey and Khalil. We know

587
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: two leaves in tow. Defensive tackle is kind of bear

588
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: right now in terms of like top level starters. How

589
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: do you attack that position both in free agency and

590
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: the draft, Because there's some good defensive tackles in this draft,

591
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: but it's just not as top heavy as I think

592
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: in pastures.

593
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: I think for.

594
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 5: Once you get past like the first five or six guys,

595
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 5: you know there is a there is a drop off, right,

596
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 5: I mean it's top five to six with like a

597
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 5: lot like Byron Murphy is super explosive. Uh, Newton's not

598
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 5: gonna work out, but like he's a freak. But once

599
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 5: you get past that, there is a shelf and there's

600
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 5: only so many guys in like the third to fifth

601
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 5: round range that that you feel good about. By the way,

602
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 5: Christian Boyd Northern Iowa, keep an eye on him. He's

603
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 5: not here at the Combine. He was at Shrine Bowl.

604
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 5: He was one of the best players on the field

605
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 5: and like every team was hold on, who's that right? So,

606
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 5: but he's like the only one in that range. He's

607
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 5: like the only one where hey, if we miss out

608
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 5: on the top, we can come back. And so I

609
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 5: kind of feel like that's one of the position groups

610
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 5: where we use free agency for other stuff and we

611
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 5: use draft for defensive tackle because if we're gonna hit it,

612
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 5: we got to hit it early. We won't have a

613
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 5: second chance. Yeah, it's funny.

614
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is about those players that

615
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: we always have this you know he's gonna go on

616
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: the third round. I remember what Tron Arms said, lit

617
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: up the combine and everyone said, oh wow, that guy

618
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: just worked himself into the third round. It's like, if

619
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: everybody's decided he's going in the third round, draft him

620
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 3: in the second. If everybody decided that man hurts is

621
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 3: gonna be this great interior alignment, draft him at the

622
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 3: back end of the first or the like. That's it

623
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 3: always surprises me that we have these conversations about these

624
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: players we attach around. Cooper Cup was tied to the

625
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: Rams in like the third or fourth round. Forever, go

626
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,919
Speaker 3: take them in the second. Like, I don't understand how

627
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: we these guys get stuck with these labels and everyone

628
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: just lets them sit there, and then five years later

629
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: we say, why wasn't that guy taken in the first round?

630
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: Everybody had a high grade on them. It's the weirdest thing.

631
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 5: You know what it is, It's the Dunning Kruger effect,

632
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 5: And if you're not familiar with what that is, it's basically

633
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 5: like a curve of how much you know. It directly

634
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 5: impacts your confidence in how much you know, and then

635
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 5: so you kind of start out super confident when you

636
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 5: first know something and then you start to know a

637
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 5: little bit more than you realize how little you know,

638
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 5: and then you become like a master towards the end,

639
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 5: but you still don't have any confidence. And I feel

640
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 5: like when it comes to the draft, we all we

641
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 5: all have that where we start out it's like, oh,

642
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 5: I don't know, just draft all the good players right right,

643
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: And then you kind of get to the bottom of

644
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 5: the curve and you're trying to do like value hunting,

645
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 5: and it's like, oh, no, I have to wait twenty

646
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 5: more picks to get this guy to match up with

647
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 5: you know, whatever the numbers tell me his value for

648
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 5: a certain position.

649
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: Pff grade will be too low if I take him here.

650
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: And then you bomb and then eventually you get back.

651
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 5: You know, maybe just draft the good players, Like we

652
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 5: all end where we start. And I'm at that point

653
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 5: now where it's like, Hey, if a dude pops on

654
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 5: film and he tests really well and he interviews very well,

655
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 5: he's probably going to.

656
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: Be a good player. Yeah, just draft him and figured it. Yeah,

657
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: Like Lance brought it up yesterday about the center at

658
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: Penn State. He's like, Oh, this guy's going to go

659
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: on the fourth fifth ro awesome, And I was like, well,

660
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: why is he going in the fourth fifth round? If

661
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: you're telling me he's destroying Newton in their game and

662
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: just threw him around like a rag doll, well then

663
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: maybe he should go on the second round.

664
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: You know, guy, you look at the rankings, he's not

665
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: even like in the top ten of centers in a

666
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: lot of you know, analyst rankings. It's just it's just

667
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 2: funny how things change. Opinions are very different, and then

668
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: it's going to be like that all the way up

669
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: until the draft.

670
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 5: The exact same thing happened with the same position at

671
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 5: the same school last year with Juwe Scruggs, where he

672
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 5: went to the Shrine Bowl and everybody's like, I don't

673
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: really know much about Jewice Scruggs, and like we interviewed

674
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 5: him on our podcast and he's incredibly smart, and then

675
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 5: he you know, tests out of his mind because of

676
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 5: course he's Penn State. And then he goes in the

677
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: second round. Nobody's like, where'd that come from? And it's like,

678
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 5: cause he's good. Yeah, that's what happens, Brett.

679
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: I saw that.

680
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: You just had I think a video on Brian Thomas

681
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: from LS seventeen touchdowns last year, so his production was insane.

682
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: We've talked so much about the guys up top, but

683
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: another name that we haven't talked about Lad McConkey. He

684
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: gets he's getting a lot of love as well, and

685
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: maybe he's in that early second range.

686
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, late first who knows.

687
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 5: I think he's firmly in play for like the first

688
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 5: five picks of day two, Like he's gonna be one

689
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 5: of the names where the night after day one, you

690
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 5: know how there's always like a scramble of like people

691
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: trying to reposition everything like that, he's gonna be one

692
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 5: of the names that I think people reposition for, because.

693
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: Yes, this is a very good receiver class. But as

694
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: far as just separators.

695
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: Like if you need just somebody who's gonna get open, Like, hey,

696
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 5: it's third and seven, we're seeing one rat the newke

697
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: Keenan Allen. Yeah, put up her, shut up, go get open. Right,

698
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 5: that's him. And there's not as many of those in

699
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 5: this class as you think. Right, there's a bunch of

700
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 5: high weight speed guys, like there's post up guys, there's

701
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 5: yak machines like Malachai Corley, But in terms of just hey,

702
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 5: it's man coverage, Go get open. He's one of like

703
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: five that I feel good about, and.

704
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: It feels like it's McConkie and Wilson are the two

705
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: that everybody is sort of talking about as the go

706
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: get open, which to me, I feel like as expensive

707
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: as wide receivers are, and we can remember who we

708
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: were talking about it with yesterday, but just kind of like,

709
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: where's the run that there you could end up maybe

710
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: they're not going to be there on day two, that

711
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: you could just end up having that back end of

712
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: the first round run or in that twenties like we

713
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: had last year, right where it went Smith and Jigba, Johnston,

714
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: Flowers and Addison, Like when the run comes for that,

715
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: it just feels like that's a position where there's always

716
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: a run.

717
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: I'll give you a couple of names for down the

718
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 5: board guys that I think would be good complimentary weapons

719
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 5: for what the Chargers have right now. Malik Washington, receiver

720
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 5: out of Virginia. He's a transfer. In this last year

721
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: over fourteen hundred yards, led the nation in almost everything.

722
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: He is a monster.

723
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 5: He's like five nine five, so he's gonna dip just

724
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 5: because of size, but like I say, short but not small,

725
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: Like he's rocked.

726
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: Up, he's physical, he's great after the catch.

727
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: He's a I again talk to him for fifteen twenty

728
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 5: minutes just going through film, talking about he's super smart,

729
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 5: very well trained. He's a pro's pro already, like he

730
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 5: checks so many boxes. He just happens to be five

731
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 5: to nine. And so he's gonna go somewhere again and

732
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 5: probably the third to fourth range. But he's gonna play

733
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: for eight years and he's gonna be a fan favorite

734
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 5: because he's one of those guys where hey, it's third

735
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 5: and seven, co get open right, Like he's gonna get

736
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 5: open right?

737
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: What about speed guys?

738
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: You do?

739
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a lot.

740
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: So you know, I think that's been the biggest I

741
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: think issue that you know, when fans watched the team,

742
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, you know Mike was hurt and

743
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: then Jalen Geiton got hurt, and you know there were

744
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: so many speed guys on this team, Darius Davis, but

745
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: you know you didn't really use him in that role.

746
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: Who are some guys who could just stretch the field

747
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: and really maximize Justin's arm?

748
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: Roman Wilson I think is gonna roll. I'd say sub

749
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 5: four four Taj Washington the other Washington for USC. I

750
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 5: love that kid. Again, he's a smaller frame, but I

751
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 5: think he's gonna end up being like a Taylor Gabriel type,

752
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 5: you know, where it's like he's the number three where

753
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 5: if you need a chunk, he can get a chunk.

754
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 5: Great contested catcher, by the way, for his size, like

755
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 5: over sixty percent contest to catch eight for a guy

756
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 5: his frame is not normal.

757
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Great tracker of the ball. Again, very smart.

758
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 5: I think Justin and him would get along very well

759
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 5: and develop chemistry very well because he played with somebody

760
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 5: with Caleb who had similar arm talent where especially deep

761
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 5: down the field, it's more about reading safeties and running

762
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: to a spot that it is about running a route

763
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 5: how it's drawn up. And he's very smart post snap

764
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 5: in terms of understanding where to get and reading a

765
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 5: safety the same way as quarterbacks and read safety.

766
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: And he's just really could happen.

767
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: It's interesting, and you know we're asking so many wide

768
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: receiver questions because that's what we get peppered with. And

769
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 3: I get it. You have Justin Herbert. You want to see,

770
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: you want to maximize that arm talent and that brain

771
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: and that processor. But at the same time, like I

772
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: like Josh Palmer. Josh Palmer's a good receiver. I love it,

773
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: and it's yeah. So like for me, I'm like, Okay,

774
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: well maybe new coaching staff, let's let's use quit in

775
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: the right way. It sounds like sure as heck. Sounds

776
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: like they're bringing Keenan back. I mean, if they didn't,

777
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: it would be an incredible surprise based on what all

778
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: the coaches said. I'd be stun so, you know, and

779
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what happens with Mike because of the

780
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: injury and what's available out there for him. If you

781
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: can have a conversation with him and the agents and

782
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: try to see if you can make that work, because

783
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: I can't imagine if they cut him loose what that

784
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: market would look like. So to me, I'm like, they

785
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: need tight ends, they need running backs, they need O line,

786
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: they need D line.

787
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: But the two.

788
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: Positions, like the one position that we are not talking

789
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: about nearly enough. They need corners. Man, this team makes

790
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: corners for days. And that's what I'm trying to figure out. Like,

791
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: it's too bad there isn't a sauce gardener or something

792
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: like that at the top of the draft, because then

793
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: you'd feel comfortable of, Okay, well they couldn't get the

794
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: haul at five, but premium position, premium player, perfect match,

795
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: let's go. And that's just not the case this year.

796
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: They're going to be heavily linked to Terran Ardold.

797
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: Right, he's on the fringe right of being in that

798
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: top ten conversation.

799
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: Everybody loves him in the first round.

800
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: When you talk to different people, they all have different

801
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 5: opinions about how high in the first round ultra talented.

802
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: You know, he will go somewhere in the top twenty.

803
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 5: I just don't know exactly how high. But because of

804
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 5: the positional need and the fact that, like clearly he

805
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 5: is a first round talent, they are going to be

806
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 5: heavily linked to him. But if they go a different direction,

807
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 5: let's say they go tackle, Let's say they do that

808
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: double trade down Holy Grail and they get like Bowers

809
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 5: at eleven, right, but they still have to address corner,

810
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 5: the one that I am honed in on for the Chargers,

811
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 5: ideally early on day two, because I think there's no

812
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 5: way he goes late on tape to Ronaldo Green, Florida, State.

813
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 5: One of the best pressman corners in all of college football.

814
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: He went up against Malie Neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior

815
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 5: in the in the first week and allowed combined on

816
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 5: I think it's forty press coverage snaps against both of them.

817
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 5: He allowed two catches for twenty yards against two guys

818
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 5: that are gonna go in the top fifteen. He's phenomenal.

819
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: He reminds me a lot of Jonathan Joseph. Line him

820
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 5: up in man coverage and just let him do his

821
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 5: thing for an entire day, which is what they need,

822
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: Like truly, they need a boundary pressman corner.

823
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't get.

824
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 5: Talked enough about at all. I think he's a lock

825
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 5: for top fifty. I would love him in LA.

826
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: Just doing this exercise with you, it just makes you

827
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: realize how many needs there are on this team in

828
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: terms of just depth, right, and we lock in on

829
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: one of the one or two positions. And I think

830
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: that every exercise that we have, it's like, okay, if

831
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: you get if you get a Duneesay at five and

832
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: then you turn around you get Powers Johnson in the

833
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: second round, Like that's a good job. But one now

834
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: you need a corner of defensive tackle. So where's that

835
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: coming from? So I guess my last question to you is,

836
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: knowing that they're not gonna have a ton of money

837
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: to spend a free agency, what are some potential discounts

838
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: that you think are out there that makes sense for

839
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 2: a Jim Harball team.

840
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: For like free agents. Yeah?

841
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 5: Oh, man, See the corner market's about to get reset

842
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 5: in a nasty way.

843
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

844
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 5: The Jerry's gonna get paid, Janel John's gonna get paid.

845
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: And we already went down that road with j C.

846
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: Jackson. Yeah, it's still paying them. Yeah, we got an

847
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: eighteen million dollar corner on the team.

848
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 5: I just feel like because the market, like you remember

849
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 5: when Christian Kirk got paid and then all of a

850
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 5: sudden every receiver is making ten million money worth the

851
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 5: year before. I think it's about to happen with corner,

852
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 5: Which is why I think, if anything, corner is what

853
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 5: you draft, right because with the slotted contracts in the draft,

854
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 5: corners about about to be one of those positions, probably

855
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: one of the top three positions in the NFL where

856
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 5: value for rookie contract is at a premium. I think

857
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 5: tight end you can still work fairly cheaply in free agency.

858
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 5: I feel like defensive tackle is something that, again depending

859
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 5: on the role, if you're looking for a nose, if

860
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 5: you're looking for a three, you might be able to

861
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 5: either trade for a guy who's a team is trying

862
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 5: to fix their own cap and so they're jettisoning. You

863
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: can need a trade for a guy, or you can

864
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 5: try to find like a mercenary deal, right, like a

865
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: one year thing. Corner is not something I think is

866
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 5: gonna that it's going to be reasonable financially to fix

867
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 5: a free agency because of what the.

868
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Market's going to do.

869
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 5: So that's I feel very confident they're going to draft

870
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 5: one of the first two rounds because the money just

871
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: makes too much sense.

872
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: I think it's you know, and I get it. I think,

873
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 3: you know, we all are a product of our experiences.

874
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: And when the Chargers drafted Zion, I was like, Okay,

875
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: I get it. Tom was in Indianapolis. They never addressed

876
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 3: offensive line, Andrew Luck got us block knocked off and

877
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: it affected the team considerably. So do whatever you can

878
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: to make sure the front's for it. But at the same time,

879
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 3: it's like you got Truent McDuffie sitting right there, corner

880
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: is a premium position. Yeah, so that's I mean, in

881
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: all your research, Brett, is that a fair assessment that

882
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: the teams that are best at drafting almost always draft

883
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: premium positions with their first maybe two picks. It's always

884
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: O line corner. It's that, and then we'll find our guard,

885
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: our linebackers are safeties toward the back end. Because it

886
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: just it feels like, maybe I'm crazy, but I just

887
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: feel like the grades are so much closer at those

888
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: positions that, yeah, the guy you're great on, a guy

889
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: in the fourth round at linebacker is probably very similar

890
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: to a guy that's going in the first round.

891
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I the NFL is littered with third round

892
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 5: guards that made the Pro Bowl. Yeah, it is what

893
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 5: it is, right, But like, corner is one of those spots.

894
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 5: And again not to go too heavy on the financials,

895
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: but that's one of those spots where you can get

896
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, dollars for production, crazy value receiver, quarterback, I

897
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 5: would even say left tackle, right edge rusher, And.

898
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Those are the teams that are succes.

899
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: Like it's not the premium positions are premium because of

900
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 5: the finances behind.

901
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: It, and so I struggle to believe they're gonna move.

902
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: Away from that model that has been very successful around

903
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 5: the league. Of hey, draft premium draft, the best players

904
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: at premium positions, figure out everything else in a financially

905
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: responsible way. Weaponize the fact that your coaches know this

906
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: class so they know which guys to take and which

907
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 5: guys to avoid. And then within two years everything's cleaned

908
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 5: up financially. You have a deep, talented roster. You have

909
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 5: one of the best quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life.

910
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 5: We can go on a real run like they're gonna

911
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 5: be fine. It's gonna take a couple of years, but

912
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 5: they're gonna be fine. And I just want Chargers fans

913
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 5: to realize that the best days are still ahead. You

914
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 5: can be confident in that, but they're gonna have to

915
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: do it the right way.

916
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: It's good way to end it.

917
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna end it with this right because when

918
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: we have someone that knows as much about the draft

919
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: is Brett, it's fun to do this exercise. You have

920
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: to take a Michigan player, Okay, you will take him

921
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: where you have him slotted in that round, so you're

922
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: gonna maximize value of I'm gonna get this guy in

923
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: this round for this team, with this coaching staff, Which

924
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 3: which one would you take? Which one do you think

925
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: is maximized for you know, talent plus round.

926
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: Value and give us offense and defense? Offensive defense? Okay?

927
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: Chris Jenkins, Okay, I would say, is a do it

928
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: all He's probably gonna be the third round, I would say,

929
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: and I would feel comfortable there, do it all defensive

930
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: lineman who he's He's played it a variety of different

931
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 5: sizes of between.

932
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Do you think he'll be a third after this? After

933
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: he puts on a show here? Oh that's true. He

934
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: is about theball today. He's got to put this place unnoticed.

935
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 5: But hey again, holy Grail, trade down if you have

936
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 5: a late too or in business, right, But I I.

937
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: Love Chris Jenkins.

938
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: I think he's somebody who you could do some just

939
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 5: unholy things with him and Tuley, moving them both around

940
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: all the playing off to each other.

941
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: Uh so on defense and then on offense.

942
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 5: Cornelius Johnson, Michigan receiver, probably gonna go somewhere midday three.

943
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 5: I would say, six round. He is a sleeper profile

944
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 5: that reminds me a lot of another Michigan receiver, Nico Collins. Okay,

945
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 5: six three four four speed, very athletic. He played a

946
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 5: role and everybody, everybody that Michigan offense played a role

947
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 5: that that did not did not give them the best

948
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 5: box score. But when you throw in the tape, you're like, boy,

949
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 5: he gets open a lot.

950
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: You know.

951
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: He he was their leading receiver by a mile on

952
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 5: first and second down. Roman Wilson did a lot of

953
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 5: the third down work. But in terms of you know,

954
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 5: heavy play action. Take a shot down the field, like

955
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 5: here's a here's a big dude that runs really fast

956
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 5: and also is a very good route runner and he

957
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 5: catches everything. Love that great contested catcher and also just

958
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 5: a great kid.

959
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Great kid. Love talking to him. Cornelius Johnson.

960
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 5: I think if if we're doing the receiver thing right, hey,

961
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 5: six round, let's go, and this is the staff that's

962
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 5: gonna do it because they know him.

963
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, holy grow, you have all these picks,

964
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: don't worry about receiver five.

965
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: And then get guys like cornelis cho seven six yeah, and.

966
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: Then we're gonna look up and he's gonna have forty

967
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 5: catches for like seven hundred yards and be like, oh yeah,

968
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 5: it's pretty good.

969
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: Check Justin Herberts's quarterback. Yeah, I'll take it, Brett. Awesome stuff, man,

970
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: We know you're a busy man. Enjoy the rest of

971
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: the week, you guys too, so Mondy, what a week.

972
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: Uh so many great opinions and you learn so much

973
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: about the draft and the combine and some players that

974
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: frankly we haven't talked about.

975
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I learned. I learned you can't

976
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: pour a vitamin C booster into a Celsius or else

977
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: it'll explode like you drop a mento?

978
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Who did that?

979
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: Harman b r Matt Brian decided to drop little This

980
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: was feeling the effects maybe of a little bit of

981
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: a late night there at the Kilroys for the I

982
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: don't know third night in a row, and was like,

983
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get one

984
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: of these great Celsius drinks and I'm gonna put some

985
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: vitamin C in it and then I'm gonna watch it

986
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: explode all over. It's like pop rocks, like like pop

987
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: rocks into a soda. So that's if you're asking you,

988
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: it was my top takeaway from the week.

989
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: That's it. There was a there was a put a

990
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: vitamin C booster in anything but a bottle of water.

991
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: There was a pedia LIGHTE situation.

992
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: Earlier at this media light Yeah, yeah, we had. We

993
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: had a lot of a lot of good action here

994
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: in town along with our great football analysis. You know,

995
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: I think we could do a fifth pod on everything

996
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: around the combine.

997
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

998
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: In draft, we've already we've already called out Carly and

999
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: we've already we haven't mid mention of Tyler.

1000
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: Who's Who's probably he's given us the stink guy right now.

1001
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: I mean, Tyler's a warrior's he's He's someone who's gonna

1002
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: if you ask me, I got to put my money

1003
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: on one that's gonna be able to power through, like

1004
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: the one a M. And everyone's like, hey, should we

1005
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: call the uber? Tyler's like, nah, let's let's let's get

1006
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: one more.

1007
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: After the bar after the barbecue tonight, Tyler. I think

1008
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: if I could, it's gonna go late rounds.

1009
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 3: Whether or not this stuff gets edited out because Brian's

1010
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: in charge of it anyway, and I'm guessing it might.

1011
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: But if it doesn't, let me just make my case.

1012
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 3: I think this group needs to be sent to Detroit.

1013
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: I think they should be sent to Detroit for the draft.

1014
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: I think they should spend some time out there, and

1015
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: I think Monday, you got to get out there, get

1016
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: the the land, you know, work your way through a

1017
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: lot of the prospects and uh, you know, do some time,

1018
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: do some food tours, restaurants, and I'll say, do something

1019
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: similar that they did to here. Find a nice house,

1020
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: find a nice house right there in the city, and

1021
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: really get after it. That's what my takeaway is. It's

1022
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 3: a lot of inside, a lot of inside baseball part

1023
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 3: in the story.

1024
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: This is this is, this is where we're at because

1025
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: we're at the end of the.

1026
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: Week, exactly right the end of the week, and it

1027
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: was a great week and we appreciate all of you

1028
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: a lot of action around the pods and that's why

1029
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: we were able to come out here and do this

1030
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: and and get to visit with a lot of our

1031
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: friends that we typically see between you know, on our

1032
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: computer screens and not in person. It's always good to

1033
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: kind of catch up and grin and grip and hang

1034
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 3: out with people.

1035
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: And it's important for us to get you guys as

1036
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: much information as possible. Man, we know how much you

1037
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: love the Chargers and just to get different opinions from

1038
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 2: all around the country, different analysts and names to know

1039
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: as we.

1040
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: Get closer and closer to late April. So that'll do it.

1041
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: Anything else.

1042
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 3: I think next year, as I'm looking around and I

1043
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: see all the step in repeats for the for all

1044
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: that which is for those of you that don't know

1045
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: the term, it's the curtain that goes behind you, that

1046
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: that you have as a backdrop with your logo or

1047
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: your sponsor. I think if I could, if I could

1048
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: make the pitch to the Chargers next year, can we

1049
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: get a step and repeat And I'd like it to

1050
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: be just a portrait of Dave drinking the pedialyte Max.

1051
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: That's what I would like that I think is appropriate.

1052
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: That's that's what I would put on there. And that's

1053
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 3: all I got.

1054
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm done. Final PSA, don't put vitamin C in a

1055
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: Celsius drink.

1056
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: You know that's just hot A hot tip from Indy

1057
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: that we'll bring to Southern California for Buddy.

1058
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: I'm Chris. This has been charges Weekly podcast, number four

1059
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Speaker 1: of the week.