WEBVTT - Tech News: Faking the Deepfakes

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeartRadio. And how the tech

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<v Speaker 1>are you. It's time for the tech news for Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>May ninth, twenty twenty three, and we begin, as is

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<v Speaker 1>our custom, with some AI related stories, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit different this time around. So first up, the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal has an article titled chat gpt Fever

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<v Speaker 1>has investors pouring billions into AI startups no business plan required.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've been around for a while, that headline's going

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<v Speaker 1>to sound really familiar to you because you've seen the

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<v Speaker 1>same darned thing happen before. I mean, it happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties with webs startup companies as investors flooded fledgeling

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<v Speaker 1>companies with more money than they knew what to do with,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of those companies didn't have any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of business plan that would allow them to actually work

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<v Speaker 1>in the long run, and a lot of those companies

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<v Speaker 1>collapsed a year or two later and all that money

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<v Speaker 1>went away. The dot com bubble was brutal. It happened

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<v Speaker 1>again in two thousand and eight, with the real estate crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>banks were issuing loans to folks who really couldn't afford

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<v Speaker 1>to pay those loans back, and then banks were selling

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<v Speaker 1>that debt to other institutions that were buying debt in

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<v Speaker 1>order to try and make even more money. It all

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<v Speaker 1>collapsed on itself to disastrous effect. It happened with cryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 1>and blockchain companies that really flared up with NFTs. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw it happening with the metaverse as well. So pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much anytime there's an interesting technological innovation that emerges, folks

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<v Speaker 1>will get hit by fomo super hard. But fomo is

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<v Speaker 1>a fear of missing out in case you didn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't want to be the person on the

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<v Speaker 1>block who can't afford to move into a mansion because

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't go and pour their life savings into some startup.

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<v Speaker 1>We all want to be the investor who got into

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<v Speaker 1>Apple just before Steve Jobs came back and took the

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<v Speaker 1>company to the stratosphere. Or we want to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who put money into Google when it

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<v Speaker 1>was just a startup working out of a garage. But

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<v Speaker 1>this behavior ends up being self destructive and destructive in general,

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<v Speaker 1>even assuming that the people behind an AI centric company

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<v Speaker 1>are on the up and up, there's no guarantee that

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<v Speaker 1>their idea is going to be practical or monetizable in

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<v Speaker 1>the long run. Then there are all the opportunists who

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<v Speaker 1>see a chance to make a killing by presenting a

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<v Speaker 1>cool sounding idea without having any intention of seeing it through.

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<v Speaker 1>They might promise the moon and stars because they see

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<v Speaker 1>that there are a lot of suckers out there with

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of money to invest, and they're excited about

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<v Speaker 1>the prospect of an AI company. It is a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>storm for parting a fool with their money. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>now that's not to say that every AI company out

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<v Speaker 1>there is a bad idea or a scam. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of great ideas too that are

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<v Speaker 1>built on a foundation of a solid business plan. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're also rushing toward a time where regulators around the

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<v Speaker 1>world are starting to square off against AI. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>am no financial advisor, and goodness knows, I have got

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible track record at predicting whether something is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a hit or not. I would just suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that before anyone invests serious money into any startup, they

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<v Speaker 1>use some critical thinking and careful consideration before paying out

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<v Speaker 1>a mountain of cash. Today, IBM launched an AI platform

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<v Speaker 1>called Watson X. Now you might remember that Watson is

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<v Speaker 1>IBM's AI platform that famously competed on the game show

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<v Speaker 1>Jeopardy way back in twenty eleven. For IBM, that exhibition

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<v Speaker 1>was really a whole lot of advertising for Watson, and

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<v Speaker 1>the company was hoping that other companies would come up

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<v Speaker 1>with cool business ideas that would require AI, and since

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<v Speaker 1>AI was really really hard to do well, those companies

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<v Speaker 1>would hire on IBM and pay to use Watson as

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation for their idea rather than have to build

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<v Speaker 1>everything from the ground up. But this was more than

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<v Speaker 1>a decade ago, and it was mad expensive to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for that kind of computing power. But now that we're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to see insane amounts of investment pour into AI, well,

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<v Speaker 1>IBM sees that the iron is hot, so it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to strike. So again, Watson X is meant as an

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<v Speaker 1>enterprise product, So it's meant for companies that want to

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<v Speaker 1>leverage AI to do something, maybe even something that will

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<v Speaker 1>end up eliminating jobs for people like you know, programmers,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, and then they will lean on a IBM

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<v Speaker 1>to provide the horse power while they take advantage of

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<v Speaker 1>the capabilities to do whatever it is they plan to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the basic concept behind watson x. NPR's Shannon Bond

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<v Speaker 1>has an article titled people are trying to claim real

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<v Speaker 1>videos are deep fakes. The courts are not amused, and

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<v Speaker 1>the headline gives you a strong hint at the contents

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<v Speaker 1>of that article. The article's great, by the way, you

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<v Speaker 1>should definitely read the whole thing. I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>all recognize the potential for deep fakes to cause a

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<v Speaker 1>person real harm. So imagine that a video pops up

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<v Speaker 1>online that makes it look like you were part of

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<v Speaker 1>some illegal activity that you had nothing to do with,

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<v Speaker 1>or that you were doing something you personally object to.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been robbed of your agency. Someone has effectively

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<v Speaker 1>forced you, or at least an image of you, to

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<v Speaker 1>do something that you wouldn't do. That's a violation and

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<v Speaker 1>it could do you serious harm. Imagine that your employer

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<v Speaker 1>sees a video of you appearing to deface property or

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<v Speaker 1>to take part in some violent act. It doesn't take

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<v Speaker 1>long before you start to come up with all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of scenarios that are ugly and harmful, but then there's

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the deep fake coin. Imagine someone

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<v Speaker 1>who was legitimately caught on camera actually doing something illegal

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<v Speaker 1>or unethical or immoral, and imagine that that person tries

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<v Speaker 1>to weasel out of accountability by claiming that the video

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<v Speaker 1>is in fact a deep fake. That's not me, that's

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<v Speaker 1>computer generated. When deep fakes get so good that we

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<v Speaker 1>can't tell their deep fakes, the sword cuts both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Chesney and Danielle Cetron coined the phrase the liar's

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<v Speaker 1>dividend to describe this situation, one in which a person

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<v Speaker 1>can deny responsibility for their actions that were caught on

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<v Speaker 1>video by claiming it was faked footage. The NPR article

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<v Speaker 1>cites a case in which lawyers for a certain Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk claimed that a recorded statement made by Musk was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a deep fake. The judge was not having it.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, she said that to accept the claim that

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<v Speaker 1>the audio was not real would effectively say legal precedent

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<v Speaker 1>that would let Musk say whatever he wants to, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what the consequences might be, and then fall back

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<v Speaker 1>on claims that it was all just generated by AI

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<v Speaker 1>in order to avoid accountability. I imagine such a precedent

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<v Speaker 1>would be gleefully adopted by countless public figures. It really

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<v Speaker 1>helps them fight against these so called cancel culture. The

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<v Speaker 1>play to foist blame on deep fakes so far has

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<v Speaker 1>not been successful in court, as the headline of the

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<v Speaker 1>article suggests, and there are companies that develop tools that

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<v Speaker 1>look for tiny indications that a video was actually faked.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like deep fake technology is perfect and

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<v Speaker 1>that it can go undetected. But that's how things are

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<v Speaker 1>right now. There's no telling if or when we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to a point when the fakes are indistinguishable from the

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<v Speaker 1>real thing, and we may see court systems adopt practices

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<v Speaker 1>that require anyone using a deep fake defense to provide

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<v Speaker 1>proof of their claim. However, the article also points out

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<v Speaker 1>that the opposite effect could end up happening with that approach.

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<v Speaker 1>Right so, instead of proving that something isn't fake, the

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<v Speaker 1>increase in the costs and time on part of prosecution

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<v Speaker 1>to provide evidence that, yeah, this is a real video,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not fake. That could mean that the prosecution never

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<v Speaker 1>submits the video in the first place because of the

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<v Speaker 1>defense can say no, that's fake. You have to prove

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, and the cost of proving it's true is

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<v Speaker 1>super expensive. Prosecution might say, you know, we can't submit

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<v Speaker 1>that as evidence because we don't have the money to

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<v Speaker 1>pay to prove that it's that it's real. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it could be that the requirement to provide proof, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ironically prevents anyone from submitting video evidence in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>And really it just means that we're heading toward a

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<v Speaker 1>future where people can't trust reality, which is terrifying. Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Bateman Freed aka SBF aka the founder of the cryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 1>exchange FTX, you know, the one that went belly up

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<v Speaker 1>late last year, says it's all been fun and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe the courts could just like toss out the

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<v Speaker 1>charges against him. Not all of the charges, mind you,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, ten out of the thirteen. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't remember what happened, here's the super fast version.

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<v Speaker 1>SBF had two cryptocurrency companies that he co founded. One

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<v Speaker 1>was Alameda Research that's an investment fund or it was

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<v Speaker 1>an investment fund that would take investor dollars and then

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<v Speaker 1>put them into various crypto companies. The other one was FTX,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an exchange where you could exchange one type

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<v Speaker 1>of currency for some other type of currency. Someone leaked

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<v Speaker 1>an internal document that showed that Alameda had secretly been

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<v Speaker 1>funneling money belonging to FTX customers in order to pay

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<v Speaker 1>off Alameda investors, and they were essentially counting on the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that the FTX community would keep enough of their

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<v Speaker 1>cash inside FTX to cover the transfer, the idea being that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>when we make the money back, we can cover this.

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<v Speaker 1>But when news got out that this was happening, there

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<v Speaker 1>was essentially a run on the bank and everyone started

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<v Speaker 1>to try and pull their money out of FTX, and

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<v Speaker 1>it all came tumbling down. The FED stepped in and

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<v Speaker 1>seized assets in an attempt to get as much money

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<v Speaker 1>back for customers as possible, and folks like SBF were

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<v Speaker 1>on the hook for committing lots and lots of crimes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>SBF is saying that prosecutors unfairly targeted him and that

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<v Speaker 1>FTX wasn't the only cryptocurrency to collapse last year. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like it was an outlier. So essentially SBF's lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>are saying because other companies failed, ftx's failure wasn't special

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<v Speaker 1>and thus did not warrant the speed and ferocity of

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution that it got, except that some of SBF's compatriots

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<v Speaker 1>have already pleaded guilty to charge as a fraud. And

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<v Speaker 1>also it sounds like it's kind of too coke reasoning.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you also the idea being, hey, because this person

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<v Speaker 1>did a crime, that means my crime's not as bad. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it just means that two people have comit a crime. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the document showing the transfer of funds that came out

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<v Speaker 1>before FTX collapsed, I think that's a big problem. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a legal expert. Maybe it's not a big problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I would just assume that when you have a document

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<v Speaker 1>that indicates that something hinky is going on and then

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<v Speaker 1>the company goes under, that does warrant a closer look.

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<v Speaker 1>So there may be aspects to SBF's claims that I

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<v Speaker 1>am completely missing, or maybe even some of his lawyer's

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<v Speaker 1>complaints against prosecutors and government officials are accurate. But for

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, I remained skeptical that this ploy is going

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<v Speaker 1>to work. Sticking with crypto, yesterday, the cryptocurrency exchange called

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<v Speaker 1>Bittrex Incorporated filed for bankruptcy protection. So just under a

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<v Speaker 1>month ago, the US Securities and Exchange Commission or SEC

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<v Speaker 1>alleged that Bittrex was acting as an unregistered securities exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>Following that accusation, the company shut down operations in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. So Bittrix Incorporated is the US arm of

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<v Speaker 1>this crypto exchange. This is not unusual. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of crypto companies that maintain a separate entity, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>for the United States. You can also see ftx's former

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<v Speaker 1>chief rival, Binance, another cryptocurrency exchange. It does this too.

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<v Speaker 1>And while Beatrix Incorporated appears to be going under Bittrix Global,

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the company that sees business everywhere besides

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, has no future like that in store

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<v Speaker 1>for it. It's, still, according to the founders, going strong.

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<v Speaker 1>So the US branch says it still has its customer

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<v Speaker 1>funds in its possession and it's requesting a time during

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<v Speaker 1>bankruptcy proceedings to allow customers to retrieve their money before

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes a big part of this messy bankruptcy proceeding.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigations into Bittrex indicate that perhaps something hinky was going

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and perhaps there was an effort to cover

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<v Speaker 1>up said hinkiness. Though the company has denied any such hincosity.

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<v Speaker 1>It did agree to pay twenty nine million dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>fines to the Treasury Department relating to stuff like money

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<v Speaker 1>laundering and sidestepping international sanctions against other countries. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's totally different. Okay, we're gonna take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we come back, I'm gonna talk about ads

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. We're back, okay, and I know, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's just one thing I know, it's that people

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<v Speaker 1>do not like ads. They tell me that all the

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<v Speaker 1>time regarding my show. Also, just quick moment of me

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<v Speaker 1>being real with all of y'all. So I work for

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<v Speaker 1>a really big media company, right, Folks, way higher up

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<v Speaker 1>on the ladder than I am, decide how many ads

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<v Speaker 1>get served on shows like mine. I don't get to

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<v Speaker 1>make that decision. That decision is made and I have

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<v Speaker 1>to abide by it. Now, those ads pay the bills

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<v Speaker 1>and they keep shows like this one going, so they

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<v Speaker 1>do serve a purpose. Just No, I'm not the person

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in the big old chair pet and the kitty

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<v Speaker 1>cat while laughing maniacally. It's one of my bosses. I

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<v Speaker 1>won't say which one or ones. Anyway, The Verge reports

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<v Speaker 1>that Google is inserting more ads into Gmail now. Previously,

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<v Speaker 1>Google inserted ads into the top sections of the promotions

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<v Speaker 1>and social inbox tabs, you know, the ones that you

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<v Speaker 1>hardly ever check. In fact, I never checked those unless

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<v Speaker 1>I was expecting something and I couldn't find it in

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<v Speaker 1>my inbox, so then I looked to see if maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it got shuffled into one of those tabs. Now Google

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<v Speaker 1>is testing the ads in other places, such as in

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<v Speaker 1>the updates filter. So this filter creates a view of

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<v Speaker 1>your email that shows messages that you know give you

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<v Speaker 1>updates about stuff. So let's say you ordered a product

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<v Speaker 1>and you did it online and you just want to

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<v Speaker 1>see where in the delivery process it is what was

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<v Speaker 1>the last update. You might use the update filter that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of weed up all the other stuff in order

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<v Speaker 1>to find this specific update more efficiently. Well, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are in the test group, then when you use that filter,

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<v Speaker 1>it would also show you ads incorporated within the results

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<v Speaker 1>of this filter, presumably ads for stuff that's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>related to your actual updates. And as I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine, Google users who have seen this as part

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<v Speaker 1>of the test are not super happy about this change.

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<v Speaker 1>Some users shared screenshots that showed the ads appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>between valid email messages, so you'd have like an email,

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<v Speaker 1>an email, and email, an AD that looks like an email,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's labeled AD if you looked off to the side,

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<v Speaker 1>and then more emails, so it's like filtered into it

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to all gathered at the top, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of how Google had in doing things

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<v Speaker 1>where all the ads were at the top. You would

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<v Speaker 1>scroll past the ads and you would get to the

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<v Speaker 1>actual content. Now they're being interspersed, so that also is

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<v Speaker 1>something people are objecting to, and in fact, it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that podcasters subject to too. A lot of podcasters like myself,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to have a clear delineation between the episode

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<v Speaker 1>and the ad breaks, and so that's why before every

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<v Speaker 1>ad break, I say we're going to take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>because I want to make sure that it's clear we're

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<v Speaker 1>transitioning into ads and it's not like some bait and switch.

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<v Speaker 1>So Google's doing something that the rest of us figured

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<v Speaker 1>out is not good and ends up undermining trust, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing it anyway, at least in this test. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>this gets rolled out to the general public, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait and see. But I will say, if Google

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<v Speaker 1>sees that it's making them more money, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>would be unrealistic to expect them to just back off

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So we'll see now. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft is effectively turning to Google to say hold my beer.

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<v Speaker 1>So tech Radar reports that Microsoft appears to be pushing

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<v Speaker 1>more ads into the Windows eleven experience now as it stands,

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<v Speaker 1>when you open up the start menu on Windows eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see a display of ads for other Microsoft services,

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<v Speaker 1>typically stuff like cloud storage or access to other Microsoft

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<v Speaker 1>suites of programs. So it's not just that it's an

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<v Speaker 1>operating system, it's also serving as an advertising platform for

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<v Speaker 1>other Microsoft products. Tech Radars Darren Allen says we might

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<v Speaker 1>see something similar roll out into the Settings app within Windows,

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<v Speaker 1>so like if you ever have to go into Windows

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<v Speaker 1>to change settings for something, you might end up seeing

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<v Speaker 1>ads for Microsoft services in there as well. A Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>user with the handle at the book is closed they

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<v Speaker 1>also go by Alba Core shared some images that were

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<v Speaker 1>said to be screenshots of the setting's homepage in a

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<v Speaker 1>test build of Windows eleven, and sure enough, there are

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<v Speaker 1>more ads for Microsoft products, specifically the image that Albacore

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<v Speaker 1>shared had an ad for Microsoft three sixty five embedded

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<v Speaker 1>in the Settings home view. It appears that the price

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<v Speaker 1>you pay for using Microsoft Windows computers is a persistent

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<v Speaker 1>barrage of notices urging you to, you know, buy more

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft products and services. Now, I should add this has

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<v Speaker 1>not been rolled out to Windows users in general. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not even been confirmed to be real yet when

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<v Speaker 1>I was recording this. But assuming that there are beta

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<v Speaker 1>testers out there who are encountering these kinds of things,

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<v Speaker 1>we can only hope that they push back against this practice.

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<v Speaker 1>If nothing else, it's really not doing Microsoft any favors

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<v Speaker 1>because various regulators around the world are scrutinizing the company

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<v Speaker 1>over matters of anti competitiveness. And if you're integrating ads

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<v Speaker 1>for your own products into your own operating system, that

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<v Speaker 1>feels to me like it could be treading dangerously close

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<v Speaker 1>to territory that regulators would latch onto and say you

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<v Speaker 1>are using an unfair advantage here because you have a

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<v Speaker 1>dominant position in the operating system market. For you to

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<v Speaker 1>be using that to advertise your own services, but say

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<v Speaker 1>not anyone else's is potentially anti competitive. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that regulators are necessarily going to clamp on down to that.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, it just surprises me that Microsoft would even

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<v Speaker 1>pursue this based upon the pushback the company has received

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<v Speaker 1>recently around the world. You know, when everyone's giving you

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<v Speaker 1>side eye, maybe you should cool it for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in the United States, the Department of Defense is

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<v Speaker 1>seeking a way to fund new tech projects without first

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<v Speaker 1>gaining congressional approval. Now that notice gave me a knee

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<v Speaker 1>jerk reaction of WHOA, that's not good. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>read it and I started to get a deeper appreciation

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the surface level reaction. So the way things normally

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<v Speaker 1>work is that the Pentagon identifies a technological need for

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<v Speaker 1>matters of defense. Right they figure out, we need this

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<v Speaker 1>program in order to stay current and to give the

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<v Speaker 1>nation the best security possible. And the need then has

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<v Speaker 1>to be presented to lawmakers for approval before it can

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<v Speaker 1>move forward and then get funding. And then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>actual round of securing funding for the new project. It's

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<v Speaker 1>to incorporate it into the budget and to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to actually pay to have this tech project put into action.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole process of approval and budgeting can take a

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<v Speaker 1>really long time. The concern is that as time passes,

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<v Speaker 1>while you're just waiting to get started, adversaries are rushing

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<v Speaker 1>ahead with their own because they're relying on less oversight,

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<v Speaker 1>or they have a streamline process, or they're being run

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<v Speaker 1>by the military, so they just approve everything without having

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<v Speaker 1>to go to anyone else. And so the proposal is

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<v Speaker 1>for a three hundred million dollar allowance within the DoD

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<v Speaker 1>to use to fund new projects without first getting Congressional

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<v Speaker 1>approval for them. Now, these projects do have to hit

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<v Speaker 1>several criteria in order to merit a share of that

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred million dollars. They have to be new projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Any existing project requires the old budgeting approach, that three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million comes out the overall budget for the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Defense. So this is not like a three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar check handed out by Congress. Congress is saying you,

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<v Speaker 1>or the proposal is saying Congress would allow the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Defense to carve out three hundred million dollars within

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<v Speaker 1>its budget to serve for this purpose, where in return

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<v Speaker 1>for not having to seek Congressional approval, this one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million can be used to fund various stuff, and any

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<v Speaker 1>project leader would have to get a sign off from

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<v Speaker 1>the Secretary of Defense first before the project would move forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The Secretary of Defense would have to determine that waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the normal budget cycle would result in being too

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<v Speaker 1>far behind that that would be a dangerous thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of boxes that have to be

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<v Speaker 1>checked marked before this proposal would even be a thing now.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said, my first reaction upon reading the headline

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<v Speaker 1>was to be nervous, because I'm not a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>military organizations having less governmental oversight. But on the flip side,

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<v Speaker 1>it is undeniable that the pace of technology is way

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<v Speaker 1>way faster than the political system, which moves at a

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<v Speaker 1>more glacial speed. And it's not like there's no oversight

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Nor is it like giving the DoD a

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<v Speaker 1>blank check to do whatever they want with it, and

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<v Speaker 1>the next you know, you've got robot soldiers. So as

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<v Speaker 1>the proposal stands, I'm cautiously in favor of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also old enough to be ready to regret saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>Further down the line. Okay, we've got a few more

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<v Speaker 1>news stories to get to, but it's time for us

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<v Speaker 1>to take another quick break and we'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're back. Ours Technica has a great piece that's

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<v Speaker 1>titled white House challenges hackers to break top AI models

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<v Speaker 1>at def Con thirty one. So def Con is a

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<v Speaker 1>hacker and cybersecurity conference. It's the type of event where

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to bring a personal laptop or smartphone

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Now burn our phones only please. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>place where folks have created all sorts of device is

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<v Speaker 1>meant to siphon information from all types of sources, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking things like RFID readers and NFC sensors and

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<v Speaker 1>sniffers and other stuff as well. It is not unusual

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<v Speaker 1>for the US government or for various companies to issue

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge to attendees in an effort to find security

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerabilities and thus get the chance to patch those vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 1>early on before someone figures out a way to exploit

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<v Speaker 1>them in like a zero day attack. And as we

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<v Speaker 1>have seen over the last year, AI is a huge deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It has the potential to do amazing things or amazingly

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<v Speaker 1>terrible things. Figuring out if various AI platforms are secure

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely critical for making sure that we steer AI

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<v Speaker 1>more toward the good stuff and away from the bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Because weaponized AI is legit scary stuff, after all. So

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of this challenge is to have hackers uncover

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<v Speaker 1>gaps and security and AI design that companies will then

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<v Speaker 1>be able to address to minimize the chances of things

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<v Speaker 1>going really, really wrong in the future. That doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that you know things won't go really wrong. Maybe they will,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least this is a step toward trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that we're doing the best we can to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid that outcome. I think it's a necessary step. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the people who attend these conferences they have the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mentality and skill set and knowledge to really

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<v Speaker 1>put various systems to the test. They look at things

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<v Speaker 1>in a different way, and by doing that and using

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<v Speaker 1>things in ways that weren't necessarily the intended use, you

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<v Speaker 1>can sometimes find out, Hey, this thing you didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>was important, turns out it's absolutely critical and you need

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<v Speaker 1>to address it. So I think that this is a

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<v Speaker 1>good step, but it's always I would be so intimidated

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<v Speaker 1>to appear at a defcon. I've never gone, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I ever will. I'm not smart enough, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not educated enough in that world. I mean I could

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<v Speaker 1>certainly learn a lot and report on a lot, but

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't contribute anything other than potentially my own personal

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<v Speaker 1>data because I poorly secured a device or two or something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of my nightmare. So I just stay far

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<v Speaker 1>away and let the smart people handle it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I read up on it now in our last news

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<v Speaker 1>story of the day, which is going to include a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Jonathan Snark in it. Peter thel technologist entrepreneur

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Thiel said in an episode of the podcast Honestly

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<v Speaker 1>with Barry Weiss that he is so deeply disappointed that

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<v Speaker 1>humanity hasn't figured out how to conquer death. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we even doing right? Like, we have not

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<v Speaker 1>spent the time needed to eliminate death or figure out

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not that's impossible. He also revealed he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get frozen after he dies, put into cryogenic storage so

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<v Speaker 1>that one day he might be able to be brought back,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly if such a thing is possible. And y'all, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like this is a theme with certain uber rich people.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the feeling. Elon Musk falls into this category too.

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<v Speaker 1>The sensation I get, and this is just my own opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>is that these are people who are terrified by the

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<v Speaker 1>notion that one day they will die, just like all

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<v Speaker 1>the poor people out there die, that all the wealth

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<v Speaker 1>they've mounted throughout their lifetimes will still not stop the

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<v Speaker 1>grim reaper from slinging that scythe down on them one day,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they'll just die like one of the common people. No,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. No, these billionaires are looking for a way out,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's being turned into a theasicle or maybe having

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<v Speaker 1>their brains somehow pourted over into a machine. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of just ceasing to exist is plain unthinkable to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so counter to their daily experience that they

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<v Speaker 1>cannot accept it. I think that's the fear that fuels

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of futurists as well, who for years have

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<v Speaker 1>predicted the technological singularity. To me, that's more of a

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<v Speaker 1>revelation that they fear that undiscovered country from who's born

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<v Speaker 1>no traveler returns, rather than a genuine prediction of where

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<v Speaker 1>tech itself is actually going. Anyway, I can't say that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really surprised by this. Honestly, it confirms a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of biases I already had. It doesn't mean that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>right about everything else, obviously. Again, it's all my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>but its opinion, just based off of observation. Why not,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dedicate a portion of your huge wealth to

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<v Speaker 1>keeping you going after you've snuffed it. I mean it

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense, right, you're a billionaire. Why not just put

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<v Speaker 1>some of that money aside to keep you on ice

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<v Speaker 1>in case one day you're brought back. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>else is that money going to do? Feed the hungry?

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<v Speaker 1>Why they're just gonna get hungry again tomorrow? Right? Oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>eat the rich, y'all? Okay, Before I sign off, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I would do one more thing and mention a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of longer form pieces that I came across this

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<v Speaker 1>week that I think y'all should check out. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>try and do this more regularly when I come across

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<v Speaker 1>something that I'm like, this is really good. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really fit within news because it goes more into journalism,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like people need to be aware of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So first up is a piece by David Pierce in

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<v Speaker 1>The Verge. It is titled speed Trap, and it's about

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<v Speaker 1>an initiative Google had that ended up having really negative consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great read. It's a great read. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you'd really like it. The second piece I want to

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<v Speaker 1>mention is in the Atlantic and it's by Ariel or

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<v Speaker 1>Ariel Sabar titled The billion Dollar Ponzi Scheme Hooked Warren

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<v Speaker 1>Buffett and the US Treasury. This piece is about a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who ran a company that built solar powered generators,

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<v Speaker 1>like portable generators you could bring to different sites with

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of disrupting the portable generator market to create

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<v Speaker 1>a carbon neutral approach to portable electricity generation. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was meant for things like construction sites and festivals and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good article. It reminds me a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the Therenose story in many ways, because it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things where someone comes up with

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<v Speaker 1>an idea that would be great if you could get

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<v Speaker 1>it to work, but then the idea ends up making

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<v Speaker 1>the person huge amounts of money before they realize that

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<v Speaker 1>their idea doesn't actually work, or at least it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>work at a level that it needs to in order

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<v Speaker 1>to be a viable business. Both of those articles are

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<v Speaker 1>well worth your time. And also I have no connection

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<v Speaker 1>to either publication or either author. I don't know the author,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean I'm just a reader of those publications,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's nothing connecting the back end there. These are

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<v Speaker 1>just pieces I thought were really good and that more

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<v Speaker 1>people should check out. That's it for this episode. For

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<v Speaker 1>the news for Tuesday, May ninth, twenty twenty three. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you are all well, and I'll talk to you

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