WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema Rewind: Black Lizard (1968)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Welcome to Weird House Cinema. Rewind. This is Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Lamb and we have a fun one. This one originally

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<v Speaker 1>published five thirty one, twenty twenty four. This is our

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<v Speaker 1>discussion of the super weird, super stylish nineteen sixty eight

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<v Speaker 1>super criminal ROMP Black Lizard. This is a real gem

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<v Speaker 1>from Weird Japanese Cinema. Tremendously enjoyed this one ever since

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<v Speaker 1>we recorded this episode. This is a film that keeps

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<v Speaker 1>jumping back into my mind. I keep thinking back on it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so stylish, so fun, pretty much one of

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<v Speaker 1>a kind. So without further ado, let's dive right into

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<v Speaker 1>that episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is Joe McCormick. And hey, folks, I said

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<v Speaker 3>this on yesterday's episode, but I want to say again

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<v Speaker 3>if I sound unusual in today's episode, if I sound

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<v Speaker 3>a little hoarse, it is because I've got a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a cold. But a bit of a cold could

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<v Speaker 3>not stop me from talking about today's movie on Weird House,

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<v Speaker 3>which is nineteen sixty eight's Black Lizard.

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<v Speaker 1>We should have worked it into the picture and so

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<v Speaker 1>that you sound like you do because a strange woman

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<v Speaker 1>with demon yellow eyes threw a constricting snake at your neck, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's more mundane are the causes here. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have yet another cult favorite gem from Japanese cinema today,

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<v Speaker 1>and it follows the traditions of Danger Diabolic in that

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<v Speaker 1>it is another super criminal film, full of style, full

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<v Speaker 1>of visual bizazz. It's campy, it's bizarre, but also I

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<v Speaker 1>think with a lot of interesting depth. As you dig

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<v Speaker 1>into it, we're going to be talking about nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight's Black Lizard. Today's film is also notable in that

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<v Speaker 1>it is entirely centered around a charismatic drag performance. The

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<v Speaker 1>title character, Black Lizard or Chorro Tokagi, is a stylish

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<v Speaker 1>female super criminal played in this film by prominent drag performer,

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<v Speaker 1>really famous and legendary drag performer Akihiro Miwa, who will

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<v Speaker 1>have more information about here in a bit, but a

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<v Speaker 1>true legend, a cultural figure of note, and it's all

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<v Speaker 1>played out seriously and thoughtfully, never for a giggle in

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<v Speaker 1>a wink. I've seen descriptions of this film as a comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the current Internet Movie Database summary, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>says it's a comedy in the summary, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's one hundred percent accurate. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendously fun film. It is certainly camp, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really seem to play for laughs. But again, it

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<v Speaker 1>is tremendously fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are funny things in it. It certainly has

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<v Speaker 3>an over the top sensibility, but I would say it

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<v Speaker 3>plays a lot more as kind of a serious tragic

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<v Speaker 3>romance and as a crime thriller more certainly more than

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<v Speaker 3>as a comedy. I would say it is no more

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<v Speaker 3>a comedy than Danger Diabolic as a comedy, and also

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<v Speaker 3>in Diabolic there are funny scenes and an absurd gratuitousness.

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<v Speaker 3>There's similar movies in a lot of ways, but neither

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<v Speaker 3>one really has the moment to moment focus on laughs

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<v Speaker 3>that a comedy usually does.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, elevator pitch for this film, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>approach it two ways. One, I would say it's the

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<v Speaker 1>forbidden love of a super criminal and an ace detective

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<v Speaker 1>realized in a stylish sixties counterculture Japanese cinema festival for

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<v Speaker 1>the Eyes. But I also think that there's one line

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<v Speaker 1>in particular in translation here. Of course, we both watched

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<v Speaker 1>it with subtitles. I don't think a dub exists, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would want the dub. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I would want the subtitles. But there's one great line

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<v Speaker 1>where our main character, a CATCHI, the number one detective

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan, is speaking to Black Lizard, the super criminal,

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<v Speaker 1>and says, Black Lizard, you were an old fashioned romanticist

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<v Speaker 1>in this age soiled by corruption and murder. You believe

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<v Speaker 1>that crime should wear a gorgeous gown with a train

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen feet long, just like the primordial dreams of lizards.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, like those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's I mean. If you love that line,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll love this film. This film perfectly delivers on like

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<v Speaker 1>the glorious, poetic weirdness of that statement. All right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to find what I could one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent feel certain about concerning a trailer in Japanese or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I did find was a trailer that was

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<v Speaker 1>uploaded by Brooklyn's Spectacle Theater, which I've never been to,

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<v Speaker 1>but it looks amazing. It's a collectively run screening space

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<v Speaker 1>run by movie loving volunteers, and they play a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of just great looking stuff, including some films that we've

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<v Speaker 1>covered on Weird House before. Like just at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of this recording, I'm like, oh, what are they playing

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<v Speaker 1>this week at this place? And they're playing Doctor of Doom,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a wonderful Mexican luchadora film that we've covered

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. So so go check them out Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 1>Spectacle Theater. We're going to borrow part of the trailer

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<v Speaker 1>they uploaded. Again. I'm not sure if this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of an original trailer part of a trailer that they made,

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<v Speaker 1>but either way, it'll give you just a little sonic

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<v Speaker 1>taste of Black Lizard.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that I've got a hunt lifecated data on

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<v Speaker 4>gen Shun.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, if you want to go out and

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<v Speaker 1>watch Black Lizard before proceeding with the rest of this episode. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sad to say this one is tragically hard to

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<v Speaker 1>find right now as of this recording, as of this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the film having had an official international and US release,

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<v Speaker 1>even if a limited one back in nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it had subsequent re releases in Japan and

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<v Speaker 1>and abroad over the decades to follow. It might have

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<v Speaker 1>been released on VHS at one point, as Michael Weldon,

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<v Speaker 1>who loved it, references a tape in his Psychotronic Video

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<v Speaker 1>guide book. I'm not sure if he's referring to a

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<v Speaker 1>legit tape or or you know, more of a gray

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<v Speaker 1>market sort of thing. But yeah, it's a real shame

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<v Speaker 1>because this is a fabulous film with a cult following.

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<v Speaker 1>It has cultural significance, historical significance as well, and it

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<v Speaker 1>deserves to be seen by more film fans and the

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<v Speaker 1>best quality possible. If you look around, you can find

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<v Speaker 1>some sources for it. But I also have to stress

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<v Speaker 1>that this is the nineteen sixty eight Black Lizard or

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<v Speaker 1>Coro Toakagi film, not to be confused with other films

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<v Speaker 1>titled Black Lizard, including an unrelated Shaw Brothers Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 1>film titled Black Lizard from nineteen eighty one, or a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two Japanese film titled Black Lizard that is

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<v Speaker 1>actually an earlier adaptation of the same novel in the

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<v Speaker 1>same play. I've seen part of the sixty two film,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also quite stylish and quite good. I was

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<v Speaker 1>about like twenty minutes into it before I realized, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have the wrong movie. I need to find I

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<v Speaker 1>need to look around a little art. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two win is actually maybe you can stream it

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<v Speaker 1>through Criterion Collection. So, but it would not be a

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<v Speaker 1>loss to watch the sixty two version. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>hit a lot of the same plot points we're hitting here.

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<v Speaker 1>But we are talking about the nineteen sixty eight adaptation

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<v Speaker 1>here today.

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<v Speaker 3>Now when it comes to the sixty eight version, the

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<v Speaker 3>director is actually somebody quite familiar on Weird House.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's Kenji of Fukusaku, who lived nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>through two thousand and three. He directed nineteen seventy eight's

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<v Speaker 1>Message from Space.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah and nice best of the Star Wars repol.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a one we covered early on on

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<v Speaker 1>Weird House, and he also directed nineteen sixty eight so

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<v Speaker 1>The Green Slime, which we covered far more recently. Both

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<v Speaker 1>very enjoyable films in their own distinct ways and also

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<v Speaker 1>rather different from today's entry. Yes, now, Fukusako has sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight directorial credits on IMDb, and probably the big one

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of listeners, as I've mentioned before, is

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand's Battle Royale, which was a huge late career

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<v Speaker 1>hit for him to the extent that it can. To

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<v Speaker 1>a casual fan, you might, you know, only focus on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But other films of note include at least the Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>portion of nineteen seventies Tora, Tora Tora. He apparently was

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<v Speaker 1>brought in after Kurosawa backed out nineteen seventy three's Battles

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<v Speaker 1>Without Honor and Humanity. He directed a number of action

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<v Speaker 1>yakuza and samurai movies, as well as the high budget

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty sci fi film Virus, which featured a host

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<v Speaker 1>of Japanese and American actors. He also directed the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two video game like PlayStation video game clock

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<v Speaker 1>Tower three, which I think I did play, and in

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<v Speaker 1>doing so, this was my earliest exposure to Fukusaku's work.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that like a horror game?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if it's the one I'm thinking of, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like creeping around and trying to avoid like killers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like mass killers that you can't actually directly

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<v Speaker 1>stand again, So in a way, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>similar vibe to like the Alien Isolation game that came

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<v Speaker 1>many many years later. I don't remember anything about it

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm like, oh wow. Of course Fukusaku was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in this, you know anyway. Fukusaku's a director, often a

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<v Speaker 1>so siated with the Japanese new wave cinema movement of

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties and seventies, but he was also a big

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<v Speaker 1>commercial success, highly acclaimed both in Japan and by filmmakers

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<v Speaker 1>around the world. I've seen the likes of Tarantino, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Schraeder and others talk about how much they admire his work.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, in terms of the writing here, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>basically be like three levels because the original source for

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<v Speaker 1>this is a novel by Rampo ed Ogawa, who lived

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety four through nineteen sixty five. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>pen name of Japanese author Tero Hirari crafted This pen name,

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<v Speaker 1>Rampo Edugawa was apparently crafted to resemble Edgar Allan Po

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<v Speaker 1>or Po, Edgar Allan So PO. Edgar Allan Rampo ed

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<v Speaker 1>Ogawa So and Edgar Allan Po, along with Arthur Conan

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<v Speaker 1>Doyle and others, were our big influence on Rampo's work.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit I was really not familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>Rampo prior to this. I don't know if you'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>run across discussion of his work before.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe possibly, but not that I recall.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, apparently a huge name in the world of

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese mystery, detective and horror fiction, known for such works

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<v Speaker 1>as The Boy Detective's Club, The Fiend with Twenty Faces,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course The Black Lizard. Had His many short

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<v Speaker 1>stories include The Caterpillar and The Human Chair. Film and

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<v Speaker 1>TV adaptations of his work go back as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I believe nineteen twenty seven, and while he did write

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<v Speaker 1>I think just one screenplay, pretty much all of the

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<v Speaker 1>cinematic and TV treatments of his work were adapted by

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<v Speaker 1>other writers in the adaptations I've continued in film and

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<v Speaker 1>TV and manga and anime. Some of the more famous

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<v Speaker 1>adaptations include nineteen sixty nine's Blind Beast and Horrors of

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<v Speaker 1>Malformed Men. So some of these are titles I'm familiar with,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't really know much about the Rampo connection,

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<v Speaker 1>and then twenty tens Caterpillar and Hiss. Previously mentioned Black

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<v Speaker 1>Lizard was adapted numerous times as a play, and then

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<v Speaker 1>two separate adaptations of that play, the nineteen sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>film and this nineteen sixty eight one.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so that's the original novel. But there's another intermediary

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<v Speaker 3>literary source, which is the play which is eventually adapted

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<v Speaker 3>into the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and the play here was adapted by another rather

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<v Speaker 1>famous figure in Japanese culture. This is Yukio Mishima, who

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<v Speaker 1>lived nineteen twenty five through nineteen seventy. So he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the stage adaptation upon which this is based. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to potentially unpacked here with Yukyo Mashima. You

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<v Speaker 1>could do a whole podcast just on this guy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately a very controversial figure. Mishima was a Japanese author, poet, playwright, actor,

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<v Speaker 1>and model. Is a highly successful writer. Is said to

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<v Speaker 1>affused modern Western trends with traditional Japanese elements, with a

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<v Speaker 1>general focus on beauty, eroticism, and death. In his private

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<v Speaker 1>life and revealed in some of his writings, he was

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<v Speaker 1>apparently bisexual and often dealt with themes of same sex love.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also a shintos and an ultra right wing

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<v Speaker 1>nationalist who founded a militia known as the Shield Society,

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<v Speaker 1>and on November twenty fifth, nineteen seventy, this, of course

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<v Speaker 1>is the year of his death, he essentially attempted a

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<v Speaker 1>coup with four members of the militia invading a Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>military base, taking the commandant hostage, and trying to encourage

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<v Speaker 1>the Japanese Self Defense Forces to overthrow the government and

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<v Speaker 1>restore the full rule of the Emperor wow In. This

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<v Speaker 1>attempt culminated in Mashima's own death via sepuku and yeah again,

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<v Speaker 1>he's remained a very controversial figure because of all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>though on the other hand, there's always been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of interest in him in his work in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of Japan. American director Paul Schrader, for example, directed a

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<v Speaker 1>biopic in nineteen eighty five titled Mishima A Life in

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<v Speaker 1>Four Chapters, starring ken Ogata in the lead role. We

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<v Speaker 1>were actually chatting about this with our excellent producer JJ

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<v Speaker 1>Possway off Mike before we went in here, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think either of us have seen this particular Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Schrader film, but JJ has and said that it's really

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<v Speaker 1>worth saying. It's quite excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, if I'm not mistaken, Mishima appears bodily in Black

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<v Speaker 3>Lizard as well, doesn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, Mishima himself was in addition to all

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<v Speaker 1>these other things, he was an actor and a model.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a noted bodybuilder and has a very memorable

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<v Speaker 1>non speaking role in this film. I mean, you could

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<v Speaker 1>say it's a cameo, but I don't know when a

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<v Speaker 1>cameo has like this much weight, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>dismiss it as such.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the So there is a sequence later in the

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<v Speaker 3>movie with these frozen human figures. They're sort of described,

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<v Speaker 3>I think as stuffed bodies, though there's a something almost

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<v Speaker 3>supernatural implied about the way that they're frozen, because they're

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<v Speaker 3>clearly just they're not mannequins, they're human bodies, and their

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<v Speaker 3>human body is just kind of like trembling. You can

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<v Speaker 3>see them moving a little bit. And he's one of them, right,

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<v Speaker 3>He's the one who's like in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 3>knife fight with another guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, it's it's the classic, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, wax museum effect of having people being really

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<v Speaker 1>still pretending to be models or some sort of preservation

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<v Speaker 1>of formerly living humans. So it does have that inherent

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<v Speaker 1>creepiness that we often touch on. But yeah, this is him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very pivotal scene as well. We'll get to.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also notable in that Yeah, this can't be relegated

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<v Speaker 1>as a cameo because a lot of times the poster

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<v Speaker 1>art has Mashima on the poster alongside the star, which

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<v Speaker 1>generally you don't do with your cameo appearances. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>detective Acecchi, who is in many respects the protagonist of

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<v Speaker 1>the picture, is not on the poster or not on

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<v Speaker 1>many of the posters that I was looking at, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>worth keeping in mind. As for Mishima, he has at

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<v Speaker 1>least some other acting credits, including the nineteen sixty yakuza

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<v Speaker 1>film Afraid to Die, in which he starred, and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six's Patriotism, which he also wrote and co directed.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, and then the screenplay based on the play

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<v Speaker 1>based on the novel. The credit here is Masashigi Narusawa,

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<v Speaker 1>who lived nineteen twenty five through twenty twenty one. An

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<v Speaker 1>award winning screenwriter and director. His films include nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>six's Street of Shame sixty eight's Curse of the Blood.

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<v Speaker 1>He was active from nineteen fifty through seventy five, with

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<v Speaker 1>a final Rampo adaptation airing on TV in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, so that's the director. That's the folks involved.

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<v Speaker 1>In the writing of the picture. But now we have

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about are the true star of this and

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<v Speaker 1>that is Akihiro Miwa playing Black Lizard. This is just

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<v Speaker 1>a fabulous performance. This is one of those performances where

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<v Speaker 1>Miwa is almost constantly the screen and is it a

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<v Speaker 1>light whenever he is on screen?

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, Miwa makes this movie what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, Miwa was born in nineteen thirty five and

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<v Speaker 1>as of this recording is still alive, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>essential to note that here in this starring role as

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<v Speaker 1>Black Lizard, the title character, the Master Criminal, we have

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<v Speaker 1>one of, if not the most famous Japanese drag performers

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<v Speaker 1>of the fifties and sixties, if not of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Drag culture does still seem to be going strong in Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm assuming the only Western comparison would be

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<v Speaker 1>like someone like Rue Paul, Like this would be like

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<v Speaker 1>having Rue Paul appear as the title character in your

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<v Speaker 1>super criminal picture. Maybe there's a better comparison to be

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<v Speaker 1>made right in if you've got one. Anyway, MIA's cabaret

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<v Speaker 1>career goes back to I believe nineteen fifty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>he rose to popularity transcending eventually from stage to film, TV, music, writing,

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<v Speaker 1>and directing. He put out five albums between nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three and nineteen ninety five, all centered around his drag persona.

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<v Speaker 1>He also became an outspoken voice on political and social

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<v Speaker 1>issues in Japan, and he worked his way up to

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<v Speaker 1>this glorious leading role through often smaller appearances sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a singer or background character, and number of films,

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<v Speaker 1>and then followed this one up with nineteen sixty nine's

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<v Speaker 1>Black Rose or Black Rose Mansion, which was also directed

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<v Speaker 1>by Fukusaku's I haven't seen it, but it's apparently classified

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<v Speaker 1>as kind of like a dark romantic drama.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>While there's some additional live action roles after this, MEA's

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<v Speaker 1>biggest contributions moving forward after this point are mostly voice

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<v Speaker 1>roles in animated projects, but boy did include some big ones.

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<v Speaker 1>He voiced the three hundred year old wolf goddess Moro

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<v Speaker 1>Nokmi in Miyazaki's nineteen ninety seven masterpiece Princess Mana. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've only seen the dubbed version, this would be the

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.879
<v Speaker 1>character that Gillian Anderson dubs. You know, this big wolf

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<v Speaker 1>goddess creature. He also voices the Witch of the Waste

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<v Speaker 1>in Miyazaki's two thousand and four film Howell's Moving Castle,

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<v Speaker 1>and for you Pokemon fans out there, he also voiced

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<v Speaker 1>a Pokemon by the name of Okay, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>on this one, Arsius or Archius. I asked my son

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<v Speaker 1>about this real quick, and he was like, people might

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at you. But he was like, they may

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<v Speaker 1>say Archias or man, they may say Arsius, but be

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<v Speaker 1>prepared to be corrected. So okay, I am prepared. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like an important Pokemon, like the title Pokemon

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<v Speaker 1>and the two thousand and nine TV movie Arcius and

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewel of Life.

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<v Speaker 3>If people are going to be mad at us, I

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<v Speaker 3>hope it's about Pokemon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm always happy to be corrected.

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<v Speaker 3>But to come back to Black Lizard, Aki hero Miwa

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<v Speaker 3>is phenomenal in this movie, so much like passion and

0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.399
<v Speaker 3>charisma in this performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely every scene, and also so many costume and hair changes. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is definitely one of those pictures where we will

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<v Speaker 1>call out the costume designer because you know, any new

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<v Speaker 1>scene with Black Lizard, you're gonna get a new costume.

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<v Speaker 1>You make it an entirely different hair going on as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great. It's also a surprise for like a crime thriller,

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<v Speaker 3>it is a surprisingly dialogue heavy film, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that may be based on the fact that it was Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>This is adapted from a stage play, so there are

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<v Speaker 3>fewer just straight action scenes than you might imagine. A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of it's just sort of dialogue and uh, and

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<v Speaker 3>and there is there are a lot of thrills, but

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the thrills are like twists that are

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<v Speaker 3>revealed through dialogue.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, so it's talkier than you might expect,

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<v Speaker 1>But luckily the dialogue is often just tremendous. We already

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<v Speaker 1>quoted a little of it, and you know, it often

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<v Speaker 1>has that flavor and a weird character to it. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh and yeah, and when the when we do have

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<v Speaker 1>punctuations of actual act, it generally is also really weird

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<v Speaker 1>and jaw dropping. All right, now, it's important to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the ace detective. This is Detective Akechi, played by

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<v Speaker 1>Issau Kimura, who lived nineteen twenty three through nineteen eighty one.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting thing here is that, yeah, Detective Akechi is

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<v Speaker 1>in many of your sex the actual protagonist of the film,

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<v Speaker 1>and is essentially Rampo's Sherlock Holmes character appearing in multiple

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<v Speaker 1>novels and short stories. So while many viewers may watch

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<v Speaker 1>this and you just see the sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>typical noir detective character, you know, a little bit tortured,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit jaded, smoking and drinking, trying to solve

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<v Speaker 1>the crime, maybe falling a little bit in love here

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<v Speaker 1>and there. So while many viewers I just dismiss that

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<v Speaker 1>this character is like the detective figure in Japanese pop culture,

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<v Speaker 1>and was in fact the first recurring detective character in

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese fiction. So he's a big deal and has been

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<v Speaker 1>played by numerous actors over the years, including Tadanobu Asano,

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<v Speaker 1>who have played of course, is the star of Ichi

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<v Speaker 1>the Killer and also had a really great role in

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<v Speaker 1>the recent Fax adaptation of Showgun. He was in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five's Rampo Noir.

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<v Speaker 3>So a catchy we are told is Japan's number one detective.

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<v Speaker 3>But he also I don't know, it makes a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more sense to me knowing that this is a recurring

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<v Speaker 3>character because there's a sort of prologue in the film

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<v Speaker 3>that's almost like, well here I am, I'm in the club.

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<v Speaker 3>Now sucked into this crime, and it makes more sense

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<v Speaker 3>if this is kind of a character we would recognize.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and in a way, it kind of gives you

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<v Speaker 1>more license to let that character become secondary because he

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<v Speaker 1>does have this iconic place already, you know, in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that you can have a Sherlock Holmes film

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<v Speaker 1>certainly these days and allow secondary characters to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>take the forefront.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally so.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Kamu right here playing the role frequently worked in

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<v Speaker 1>supporting roles in Akira Kurosawa films, including fifty four to

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<v Speaker 1>seven Samurai and fifty seven's Throne of Blood. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think his performance here certainly hits all the world weary

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<v Speaker 1>noir detective notes that you'd expect. And I suppose this

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<v Speaker 1>in many ways this helps like ground the flashier elements

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<v Speaker 1>of the picture as well. But he's good. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>good performance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, this is all going to picture, This is

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<v Speaker 1>all going to center around in many respects, A damsel

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<v Speaker 1>in frequent distress, a youngly, a young woman that Black

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<v Speaker 1>Lizard tries to kidnap multiple times. Her name is Sane

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<v Speaker 1>and she is played by Kiko Matsuka, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>born in nineteen forty seven. She was in a number

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<v Speaker 1>of sixties and seventies films, including an uncredited role as

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<v Speaker 1>a diver girl in nineteen sixty seven's Bond film You

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<v Speaker 1>Only Live Twice. Her other credits include nineteen sixty eight's

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<v Speaker 1>The Living Skeleton, Black Rose Mansion, and a Rampo TV

0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>series in nineteen seventy right. Another important secondary character is

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<v Speaker 1>the is the despondent musician Yunichi a'm Amiya played by

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<v Speaker 1>Yusuku Kuwazu, who lived nineteen thirty five through twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>This apparently is his best known role, but his credits

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<v Speaker 1>include nineteen sixty one's Killers on Parade, nineteen ninety three's

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<v Speaker 1>Godzilla Versus Mega Godzilla two, and nineteen eighty eight nineteen

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:26.439
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight s GAMMEA three Revenge of Iris. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a solid performance. This is tragic character in this film,

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>but also props to anyone who was ever in both

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<v Speaker 1>a Godzilla and a Gamera movie.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Yeah, this is a very sad, pathetic, abject

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.040
<v Speaker 3>role and this guy does well with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, as we'll discuss, like even when he has

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<v Speaker 1>his moments of seeming bravery like there's still this wrinkle

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>to them that makes it even more tragic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's all revealed that it's just the ultimately even

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<v Speaker 3>more pathetic than you would have thought. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See. Another fun secondary character is private Detective Keniji Matoba,

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.399
<v Speaker 1>who I guess is like he's not the number one

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>detective Aketchi is the number one detective. This is somebody

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<v Speaker 1>further down the list that has no problem with at

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<v Speaker 1>all with the possibility of making a fool out of

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a ketchee or you know, or coming in to clean

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:19.640
<v Speaker 1>up a catchy's mess.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just see this guy's displeasure with the full

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.639
<v Speaker 3>knowledge that he is the number four detective.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he is played. Yeah, so he's a rival stern

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:35.080
<v Speaker 1>faced private detective played here by award winning actor co Nishimura,

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<v Speaker 1>who lived nineteen twenty three through nineteen ninety seven, best

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<v Speaker 1>known for his roles in such Kurosawa films as nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixties The Bad Sleep Well sixty one's Yo Jimbo nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three is High and Low, and he was also

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<v Speaker 1>greatly praised and awarded for his starring role in the

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>bear movie Matagi from nineteen eighty two. So he was

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>definitely the Star of Matagi in eighty two. But yeahs

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<v Speaker 1>these Kirosawa films several, some of which I haven't seen

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and others I haven't seen in a long time. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure exactly off the top of my head how

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:11.719
<v Speaker 1>far of the cast he is in those, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love his performance hereies kind of like a Japanese Christopher Lee.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's very, very stern.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, Sanya's dad is also important. Iwasa played by

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<v Speaker 1>bun Usami who lived nineteen eleven through nineteen eighty one.

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<v Speaker 1>His credits include nineteen seventies to Tour Tora in nineteen

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>fifty eight's The Man in the Moonlight Mask.

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<v Speaker 3>This is sort of our rich Mark, the guy who

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 3>is targeted by Black Lizard for both the kidnapping of

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 3>his daughter and the stealing of his precious jewels.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and you know, he's rather proud about the fact

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that he can afford Japan's number one detective. So it's

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a fun, fun role. But he's also like, you know,

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you're of course you're going to get taken advantage off

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>by super criminals.

0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 3>He also complains immediately about the cost of Japan's number

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 3>one detective when his daughter is discovered to have been kidnapped. Yeah, like,

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 3>throw back the blankets on the bed and it's like, oh,

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 3>it's just a mannequin in there. He's like, you know

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 3>how much money I paid you to protect her?

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep. We also already alluded to the snake woman

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 1>with the yellow demon eyes. We'll come back to her,

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 1>just not a lot about her, but just to credit

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the actor. This is Toshiko Kobayashi, who lived nineteen thirty

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>two through twenty sixteen. Oh okay, So we've recently received

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>a listener mail from someone saying, hey, you guys need

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>to single out the costume folks, the costume designers more. Well,

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.159
<v Speaker 1>this is certainly a movie to do it on. We

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>have so many great costumes, especially for Black Lizard, and

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the costume designer on this was Masako Watanabi. She's worth

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>singling out in part because, again, the costumes here are amazing,

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>but she's also a notable manga comic writer and artist

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 1>for such titles that I'm not familiar with, as Master

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of Morley, Jack Ryerdan's Baby, and Heidi. So if you

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>know more about about her and her work, write in

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and we'll get the full details from you all right,

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and then finally the music. Oh, we have another huge

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 1>name here. This is a guy with a number of

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>credits in Japan film wise, but in general though just

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 1>a musical icon is Sautomita, who lived nineteen thirty two

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>through twenty sixteen. This is a name that I think

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is going to register with a number of you. Not

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>so much for film though he does have associations with

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>various films. But this is this guy was one of

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the pioneers of electronic music and space music, both in

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Japan and ultimately internationally as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>His work prior to this film included the TV series

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Mighty Jack, which I believe was featured on Mystery Science

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Theater three thousand. But yeah, the interesting thing is that

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 1>around the same time of this picture is when and

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>again the score for this movie for Black Lizard is

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>not particularly I don't think it's electronic. I think it's

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>very traditional when you say, but around the same time

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>as he would have been working on this film, he

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 1>heard Wendy Carlos's nineteen sixty eight album Switched on Bock

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>for the first time and was reportedly enraptured. I heard

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I read one account, which said like, basically, he's like,

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>give me a ticket to New York and like flies

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>to the United States just so he can bring back

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>a mug synthesizer. He's like, I've got to get my

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>hands on this. Like he just saw the tremendous potential

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and then started experimenting with synths and goes on to

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>again have become this pioneer of electronic and space music,

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>known for such works as nineteen seventy two's Electric Samurai

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Switched on Rock, which I think was released in the US,

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and seventy four nineteen seventy six is The Planets, which

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to while finishing up my notes here.

0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 3>Is that an electronic adaptation of Holst's The Planet You.

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Know, I'm not sure. I listened to the whole thing,

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure off him. They didn't have holes

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>credited on the tracks on Spotify, which may mean nothing,

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 1>but a number of his works are synth treatments, electronic

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>treatments of pre existing works, like I know he did

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>a version of John Williams Star Wars theme song for example. Anyway,

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>he's an international legend. You'll find loads of his work

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>wherever you get your music. Again, I don't think we

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 1>really hear any electronic stylings in The Black Lizard's score,

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>as I think he flied to acquire his first synth

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>in around seventy two. But still it's an amazing connection.

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>So we get like pre electronic to me to hear

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>he'd go on to score such films as two thousand

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and four as The Hidden Blade, and I've read he

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>was apparently Ridley Scott's first pick to score Alien would

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>that I've worked? I don't know, but it's an interesting connection.

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay, is it time just talk about the plot?

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's jump into it.

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, warning, this plot has twists and reveals of plenty,

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 3>so if you do want to experience the movie without

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 3>having anything spoiled, I guess you should pause here and

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 3>go watch it before you listen to this part of

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 3>the episode. Now we open with the kind of prologue

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 3>before we get into the main caper that will involve

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>most of the movie. There's like a hippie technicolor acid

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 3>freak out sex party opening. It's like a go go club.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 3>We've seen this in movies from the sixties. Before they

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 3>try to put you right in the middle of a

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 3>swing in happening Go Go Club to get your mind

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 3>right where it needs to be for the feeling of

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 3>the movie.

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>And with strong cabaret elements. I think as well, like

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>this is where this is where the counterculture happens. This

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 1>is where the bohemian vibe is strong.

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 3>That's right. So it's a feeling of the sixties, a

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 3>feeling of cultural and sexual energy. But I think also Rob,

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you detected the same thing. There's

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 3>kind of a point of view the camera takes that

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 3>implies some kind of distance or hesitation, maybe like it's

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 3>it's celebrating everything that's going on in the club, but

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 3>it's also a little bit afraid. Maybe it's like this

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 3>this is an alluring but also a dangerous and confusing

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 3>frontier of freedom and pleasure.

0:32:14.440 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as we'll see, there's danger here and there's sadness

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>here as well.

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 3>In fact, that sort of point of view of the

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 3>camera maybe the point of view of the character we're

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 3>about to meet. Because we go to this this man,

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 3>a lonely looking man sitting at a table overlooking the

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 3>dance floor in this freak Out Go Go Club, and

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 3>we hear his voiceover. He says I came here by

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 3>mere chance a friend said he would guide me to

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 3>a secret club. We never see the friend, by the way,

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 3>do we know? He says this was a world unknown

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 3>to me until a gaudy crime dragged me into it.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 3>And then suddenly everything stops. The action freezes and darkness

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>falls over the go go club, and then there is

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 3>somber humming music, and then we see Black Lizard in

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 3>three forms. First the character so we see Akihiro Miwa

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 3>in jewels with a cigarette holder, and then the image

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 3>of a Black Lizard silhouette, and then the title Black Lizard.

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Now I warned there would be spoilers. Technically, the character

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 3>we are meeting here is not revealed to be Black Lizard,

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 3>the titular criminal, until a twist that comes later. But

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 3>I was in no suspense at all about this, and

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if the audience is supposed to be in

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 3>suspense at all. It seems to me one hundred percent

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 3>clear from the very first frame of seeing Black Lizard

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 3>that she is Black Lizard.

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>I think so. Like from what I watched the sixty

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>two adaptation, I felt like it was maybe a little

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>less obvious, but here it's clear and been part of

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 1>that may be the fact that, yeah, you have me,

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>this famous individual playing this title character, and you know

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>there are gonna be several twists in the film that

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>I think most viewers will see coming a mile away.

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't feel like a limitation. In a film

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>like this, a twist may be telegraphed, but what sort

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:07.959
<v Speaker 1>of feast will the film make of the twist?

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there's a dark, mysterious melody as the credits play.

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 3>I think this may be Black Lizard singing. Actually, I

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 3>think so.

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure when I first watched it, but then afterwards,

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.879
<v Speaker 1>when I was diving more into me was musical credentials. Yeah,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I assume this is his actual singing voice, because yeah,

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>he put out all these albums and so forth. So yeah,

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:29.959
<v Speaker 1>it belts out a tune.

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 3>So Black Lizard. After the credits, Black Lizard navigates the

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>club and comes up to meet the lonely man sitting

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 3>at the table above, and Black Lizard says, this is

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 3>an unusual night, an oppressive night, a night made for crime.

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 3>I love a night like this. Sleep won't come easily tonight,

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 3>and you so, the lonely man tells her He's impressed

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 3>by her words. He's like, wow, you are a poetess,

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.280
<v Speaker 3>And Black Lizard says, are you a critic? Because beauty

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 3>fails to intoxicate you? Your eyes tell me that.

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is a catchy she's talking to This is

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the number one detective, right.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.320
<v Speaker 3>Yes, But then Black Lizard backs off of a catchy

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 3>and goes to visit a different man at the bar.

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 3>She goes up to this sad looking guy and says,

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 3>thinking of death? Are you? And she then seemingly telekinetically

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 3>moves his whiskey glass to the edge of the table

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 3>until it falls and shatters. I'm not sure what's going

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 3>on here, but I like it.

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a great weird moment that is important

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 1>because we come back to it. But I guess it's

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>like a here as a metaphor or a splash of

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 1>magical realism, because there's nothing else to indicate that this

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 1>character has any kind of telekinetic powers. I think it's

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>just to convey the charismatic power of the Black Lizard.

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know the inevitable trajectory of unobtainable obsessions. Yeah,

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the film plays it marvelously vague, but again, it is

0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>important because we'll come back to it.

0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's an ambiguous question about the presence of the

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 3>supernatural in this film. The movie is, you know, ninety

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 3>nine percent grounded in realism, but there are a few

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 3>things in it that are like, wait, was that magic

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 3>or not? I can't tell. So there's the whiskey glass telekinesis.

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 3>There's the lady with yellow eyes who the snake Lady later,

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.839
<v Speaker 3>who sometimes seems to maybe do magic or I don't

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 3>know what's going on with her snake eyes. The statues

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the movie, which are people, They

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 3>appear to be frozen in some way that almost suggests magic,

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 3>but it's not clear.

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:35.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there are a few moments like that, and

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>it keeps things wild and unpredictable as well.

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, the man at the table, who was allegedly thinking

0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 3>of death leaves the club with black Lizard, and then

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 3>we smash cut to a newspaper headline that tells us

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 3>a quote despondent young musician has died by suicide, and

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 3>then we also see a different article in the newspaper

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 3>that a corpse was stolen from a medical dissection room

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 3>at the Morgue right, yes, Okay, So then detective at

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Catchy is suddenly there. He is at the morgue looking

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 3>into it and finds there is a toy black lizard

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 3>at the scene.

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, peels it right off the floor there.

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 3>And then also, what is the deal with all these

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 3>cadavers floating in like a tank of dark green liquid?

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 3>This is so weird.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I found this creepy, But I don't know, like,

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is actually how it was done. At the time,

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, and I have to admit I

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>was reluctant to go down the gooulish avenue of researching it.

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know, I'm just gonna accept

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>it as is. Maybe I'll come back and look into

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 1>it later. But at least within the context of the film,

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>this is just where they put recently dead bodies instead

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>of having like freezers, the sort of freezer drawer scene

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 1>that we're accustomed to. Instead we have the vat scene

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>that we have here.

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, okay, so all this is sort of prologue

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 3>to the main caper of the film, which is the

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 3>loss of kidnapping and the Star of Egypt.

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I only looked this up just before we came in

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to record. But the Star of Egypt is an actual diamond.

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I was reading about it on Christie's. It first appeared

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>on the London Market in nineteen thirty nine. There's a

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>listing for it on Christie's. I think it recently sold

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>for several million dollars, so it's it's a real thing,

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>not just a made up gym.

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 3>So we get into act one here with the main plot,

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 3>and it is that Detective Atketchi has been hired by

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 3>a rich man named Iwasa to protect his daughter Senne,

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 3>who has been threatened with kidnapping. I think they get

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 3>a note in the mail or something saying that she's

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 3>going to be kidnapped, and so they hide out in

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 3>a hotel room under the supervision of a ketchee who

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 3>intends to set a trap for the would be kidnappers.

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 1>That's right, number one detective in Japan, the most expensive,

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 1>only the best for this guy's daughter.

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Now, technically, even though we we said it's clear who

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Black Lizard is at this point in the plot, Black

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Lizard is has not been revealed and is in disguise

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 3>as a woman named Midori Kawa. And so this is

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 3>how she's known to a catchy from the club. You know,

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 3>he knows her as Midori Kawa. And then we go

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 3>to the hotel lounge where Sinay is hanging out. And

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 3>then also Midori Kawa and a handsome, well dressed man

0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 3>named Yamakawa are getting to know Sinay. They like they're

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 3>talking to her in the hotel bar. For some reason,

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 3>Sinay has been permitted to hang out at the bar

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 3>by herself even though she's being targeted by kidnappers.

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's weird. It was the same way in

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the sixty two versions, so I guess it's straight from

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the play and or book. Maybe the bar is considered

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>a safe public zone, or maybe Medora Kaba is just

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 1>seeming it's just such a long time trusted client of

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>dads that you know, she's perfectly safe as long as

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 1>she's with her.

0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:01.359
<v Speaker 3>But Midori Kawa is being so creepy Sa Like, she's like, hey,

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 3>did you play volleyball in college? I would like to

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 3>possess your body as a doll.

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, She's like, if I told you had a beautiful body,

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 1>would you hold it against me? If I preserved you

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>in a perfect soul of state? More poetic than that

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:20.720
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, yeah, but Black Lizard is always hitting on folks.

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So midri Kawa and her accomplice they lure Sinne

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 3>back to a room in the hotel, I think, on

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 3>the promise of showing her like an antique doll. They're like, oh,

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>we have this interesting artifact, and she's like, okay, I'll

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 3>go look at it. But of course they kidnap her.

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 3>They like chloroform her and then stuff her into a trunk.

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Black Lizard is also like, go ahead and

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 1>take her clothes off.

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for no particular reason.

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Well didn't she does he change into those clothes. There's

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of an initial fake out that I think maybe

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>initially she replaces Snae in Sona's clothes with her back

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>turned to her father, and then they end up replacing

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>her in bed with the very dummy that you know

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.879
<v Speaker 1>would have been the doll in the box originally. That's

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 1>why it is okay, yeah, but it is also played for,

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, for more alluring purposes here too.

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 3>So also somewhere in here, Yamakawa is revealed to be

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Unichi a'ma mia. This was the same guy, the despondent

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 3>young man at the club earlier. Right, yes, yeah, this

0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 3>is now Black Lizard's accomplice. And of course we know

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 3>Midori Kawa is Black Lizard, but we are to understand

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 3>the detective Aketchi does not know. So they pull a

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:41.280
<v Speaker 3>clever maneuver. Amamia takes Sannae inside the trunk and boards

0:41:41.360 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 3>a train going to some other city while Black Lizard

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 3>stays at the hotel, and she tricks Iwase into thinking

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 3>that Sanae is totally safe in the hotel room. First,

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 3>she like throws her voice and poses as her, like

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 3>pretending to be her from the other room, and I

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.719
<v Speaker 3>guess Iwase is He's like, I don't know, he's not

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 3>thrown off by the fact that this is not his

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:04.680
<v Speaker 3>daughter's voice.

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Right or it's a perfect replicaver voice somehow, I don't know.

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>At any rate, it works.

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 3>And then she tricks him into thinking that Senne is

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 3>in her bed in the hotel room. It will later

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 3>be revealed that it's a huge doll under the blankings.

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:23.280
<v Speaker 3>But he oh, but Black Lizard has a message delivered

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 3>stating that Sene will be kidnapped exactly at midnight. So

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 3>while it was a sleeps soundly thinking that Sennae is

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 3>asleep nearby, a Catchee stands guard in the living room

0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.879
<v Speaker 3>of the hotel suite, passing the time by hanging out

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 3>with Black Lizard, not knowing who she is, and this

0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 3>leads to a great dialogue scene where Black Lizard, again

0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 3>in disguises, Midori Kawa and Detective at catchy play cards

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 3>and talk about crime and love and their careers and

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 3>their character. A lot of really fun dialogue here. Just

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 3>one example is they start talking about what it takes

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:05.400
<v Speaker 3>to make a criminal, and Aketche says, consider three women.

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 3>A man gives a woman a bouquet of roses. A

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 3>caterpillar crawls out from between the petals. Disgusted, the woman

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 3>throws the bouquet into the fireplace. Akechi says, this woman

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 3>does not have what it takes to be a criminal.

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.280
<v Speaker 3>Now consider a second woman, same thing. She gets the flowers,

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 3>caterpillar crawls out of the flower. Instead of throwing the

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 3>flowers into the fire, she plucks out the caterpillar and

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 3>throws it alone into the flames. Akechi says, she also

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.360
<v Speaker 3>is not a criminal. But consider a third woman. She

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.720
<v Speaker 3>sees the caterpillar crawl out of the blossom. She throws

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.400
<v Speaker 3>neither the flowers nor the insect. Instead, she pushes the

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 3>man who gave her the flowers into the flames. Akechi says,

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 3>this woman can be a criminal, but ironically she is

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:55.919
<v Speaker 3>the most tenderhearted of the three.

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd be lying, I said that understood what the point

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>is here, But I still love it, and I do

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>want to see a line of Black Lizard Valentine's Day

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.479
<v Speaker 1>cards based on this and other quotes from the film.

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:10.479
<v Speaker 3>I think a Ketchee is making some kind of point

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 3>about like passion and boldness, that it's like the same thing,

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 3>the same thing that makes someone that have the deepest

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 3>kind of love is also what makes someone the most

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 3>like violent and dangerous.

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so maybe we're getting back into the territory

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 1>here of, you know, of believing that crime should wear

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>a gorgeous gown with a train fifteen feet long, both

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>stylistically but also in terms of passion somehow.

0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. They also talk. So they start playing cards

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 3>and they put a wager up. A Ketchy is like, oh, well,

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 3>you know you're rich. I can't really bet against you

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 3>because you've got all this money, And Black Lizard says, well,

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 3>I'll bet all my jewels, but you have to bet

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 3>your career as a detective. So I guess if Black

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 3>Lizard wins the card game, aketche will no longer get

0:44:58.360 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>to be Japan's number one detective.

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a great scene, and I love the

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>way it was shot too. They're like playing on a

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.760
<v Speaker 1>glass countertop, I believe, and so we get some wonderful

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>shots from below up through the card game as it's

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>taking place. And yeah, it's I believe. It's in this

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>scene that we get a lot of contemplation about the

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:20.279
<v Speaker 1>idea that a catchy is like the negative photo of

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>a criminal. Yeah, and in a way, even though although

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Aketchi doesn't know that he's playing cards with the Black Lizards. Yeah,

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>this is very much a we're much the same you

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and I speech that has become a standard trope, but

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 1>it's constructed in a fresh way. It has a very

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>fresh feeling to it.

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>This is better than most I mean it, this comes

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 3>before things that would make the same point later. I think,

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:47.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is sort of the same point made

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 3>in like Manhunter about the Thomas Harris character Will Graham.

0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 3>It's like that he is able to think like a

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 3>killer or think like a criminal, and that's what makes

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 3>him a great detective. And Black Lizards saying the same

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 3>thing to a catchy here. It's that like, in order

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.440
<v Speaker 3>to be a great detective, you must be able to

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:07.720
<v Speaker 3>think like a criminal.

0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Now, is this the place? I may be skipping around?

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I may be thinking about something earlier or later. But

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>there's one part where Black Lizard has an extended monologue

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 1>anguishing over the fact that beauty must age and that

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 1>is the ultimate tragedy, and therefore she pines for a

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 1>soulless existence and the heart made of pure, made as

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.759
<v Speaker 1>pure and unbreakable as a diamond, both in her in

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:32.840
<v Speaker 1>herself but also in others.

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:35.440
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, it might be the scene.

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, either way, the quest for the diamond Heart is

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 1>one of the central themes of the film that we

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>come back to again and again.

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.279
<v Speaker 3>And this is the scene where Black Lizard and the

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 3>catchy do seem to be falling in love. Yes, but

0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 3>then remember the thing it was supposed to be. He's

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 3>standing guard there until the kidnapping, which is supposed to

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 3>come at midnight, and midnight comes and nothing happens. What

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 3>gives absence at this point is revealed. They go in

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 3>and like pull back the covers on the bed and oh,

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>it's just a doll in there. But it's a double

0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:12.320
<v Speaker 3>twist because we find out a catchy knew all along.

0:47:13.200 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 3>He lets his men run into the room and he

0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.720
<v Speaker 3>reveals that he knew that Senna had already been taken

0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 3>and he had his men collect the trunk and bring

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 3>her back. Yeah.

0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Again, Black Lizard really does feel like the main character,

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and all of this in part because we're generally clued

0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>into what her plans are far more than a catchy's.

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Like a catchy ultimately ends up being like two steps

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.799
<v Speaker 1>ahead of even the viewer. And I guess this corresponds

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to the often observed soft rule of caper films, and

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 1>that you lay out all the beats of the caper

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>that's going to ultimately fail, but you reveal the beats

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:51.959
<v Speaker 1>of a successful caper in its very real time execution. Again,

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>a catchy is essentially Sherlock Holmes here. He is a master,

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, figuring out the criminal scheme and then trying

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 1>to be ahead of that. And I wonder too if

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 1>that adds to why we might be rooting for Black Lizard,

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.239
<v Speaker 1>because it's like, if you don't know who a catchy is,

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 1>he's just another detective. But if you know that he's

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the master detective, then you kind of know the fixes

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in from the beginning, like this is an unbeatable adversary

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>for Black Lizard, and therefore maybe we root for her

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more.

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, later in the story they do try to

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:25.919
<v Speaker 3>get ahead of that by showing a ketchee like doing

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 3>something sneaky and you think that he's being caught getting

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:35.440
<v Speaker 3>one over on Black Lizard, and then she gets one

0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:37.920
<v Speaker 3>over on him. But then there's like a triple twist

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.839
<v Speaker 3>where it's like, oh, no, he actually was there all along. Yes,

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 3>but anyway, so Black Lizard escapes this trap by stealing

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 3>a ketchy's gun from his coat pocket, using it to

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 3>escape the hotel room, and then she gets out of

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:54.799
<v Speaker 3>the hotel by disguising herself as a man.

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a fun sequence, And I guess really

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the only nod that we see to me was drag performance,

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I suppose.

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So on to fight another day. So this sort

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:14.960
<v Speaker 3>of gives way to Act two of the movie, the

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.319
<v Speaker 3>previous plot having been foiled. We cut to the home

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 3>of Iwasea, where Black Lizard is determined to strike again.

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.720
<v Speaker 3>So this middle sequence of the movie involves Black Lizard's

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 3>second attempt at kidnapping Sinne and using the leverage of

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 3>her kidnapping to acquire the jeweled necklace, the Star of Egypt.

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 3>So we meet a large cast of Hinchman here, hired

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 3>by Iwasa to protect the family. The gang is commanded

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 3>by a new private detective, Matoba. And so there's like

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 3>a furniture delivery truck that arrives at the house and

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.279
<v Speaker 3>we see the whole gang run out to like menace them.

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:56.280
<v Speaker 3>The delivery guys seem very frightened, but then they decide

0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:58.640
<v Speaker 3>it's okay. You know, it's a beautiful new futon that

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Iwasa did apparently actually orders. They bring it inside. They

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.479
<v Speaker 3>talk about how it cost a bazillion bucks and so forth,

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 3>and the whole time Matoba is there just looking like

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 3>he's just a statue.

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:11.319
<v Speaker 1>He's great, just scowling the whole time.

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Now, I think at this point we're supposed to believe

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 3>Aketchy has been dismissed from the case, or maybe he

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:18.759
<v Speaker 3>actually has been.

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if he's Liken been completely pushed

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>out but yeah, it's Matoba is now seemingly in charge

0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.799
<v Speaker 1>of things and uh, and he seems a little eric

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that a catch, he's even showing up. It's like, no,

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you failed, dude, I'm I'm I'm top now.

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 3>But later that night there is an attack from inside

0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:43.560
<v Speaker 3>the house. I think it's Matoba catches Iwasa's housekeeper, Hena

0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:48.080
<v Speaker 3>sending secret coded messages to someone via radio. She's like

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 3>talking into a radio saying like the sea is a

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 3>flame and stuff like that. But the tables are turned.

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.320
<v Speaker 3>How exactly is it revealed? Is it that Hena and

0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 3>the big lug hinchman guy uh both gang up on Matoba.

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if Matoba vetted these henchmen, but yeah,

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.760
<v Speaker 1>it's like they all were in the pocket of Black Lizard.

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 1>We'll find out. So, yeah, everybody's looking at working for

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Black Lizard here except for Matoba.

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 3>And this was the first reveal of Hena's like powers

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 3>and snake associations. What's the deal with this lady?

0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is again. Is it magic? Is it

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 1>metaphor what's going on here? I don't know, but it's

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>tremendous because we see, Yeah, her eyes glitter yellow Demon's fire.

0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:36.879
<v Speaker 1>She flings constricting snakes as a weapon. So we've watched

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 1>movies with projectile snakes before on the show, namely nineteen

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 1>eighty one's Venom, where we get to see Kloskinski like

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:45.840
<v Speaker 1>struggle with a rubber snake. And it's the kind of

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>thing that can easily look very rubber and fake. But

0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I totally bought her and her snake bolos as a

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>legitimate threat. So she leaps out cool lighting on her

0:51:56.440 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>face and eyes lands this constricting snake right Aroundba's neck,

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and the actor Nishi Mura just sells the living daylights

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.120
<v Speaker 1>out of it, just thrashing around against the walls trying

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>to pull the snake off of his throat.

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh but it doesn't end there, right, everybody comes out

0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:16.360
<v Speaker 3>because of the commotion, and then they find what they

0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 3>find black Lizard's calling card.

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Here, right, there's the rubber lizard, but it is on

0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the palm of a disembodied hand that is on the couch,

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>which is now bloodied. They're gonna have to get rid

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:30.839
<v Speaker 1>of that thing. And then they find Matoba in the bathtub,

0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:34.400
<v Speaker 1>like seemingly dead. I don't know, I can't remember if

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>he still has a snake on his neck or not,

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 1>but he has a bloody stump. This is clearly his

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.560
<v Speaker 1>hand out there, left on the couch with the with

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:45.279
<v Speaker 1>the calling card on it. But then there's several you know,

0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>guys looking in on the scene. And then Matoba rises

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:50.880
<v Speaker 1>up out of the tub like a like a rampaging

0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:54.840
<v Speaker 1>zombie and comes rushing towards them with the stump, and

0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 1>they all freak out and slam the door on him

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.439
<v Speaker 1>as he thrust his bloody stump out through the door

0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 1>after him, and then he finally busts through into the hallway,

0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 1>slumps against the wall, slumps down and dies. Just a legit,

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 1>jaw dropping sequence for.

0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Me, that that scene is true, deeply crazy. I don't know,

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:15.839
<v Speaker 3>it's it's really good.

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like there's a lot of dialogue, but then

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.560
<v Speaker 1>when the movie busts out these action sequences like this,

0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:21.399
<v Speaker 1>it's just they.

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Really go for it. But as you mentioned, this is

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 3>all part of the plot. The uh. Of course, the

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 3>attack gets blood all over the expensive new futon and

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:34.759
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of Sine having been kidnapped again and

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:38.239
<v Speaker 3>all that. Uh, they're like, oh wow, well get the

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:42.320
<v Speaker 3>get this bloody futon out of the house. Yeah, what

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:42.759
<v Speaker 3>do you know?

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And this is and we know what's up right, I mean,

0:53:45.280 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 1>this is another most twists. You know that they hit

0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:50.279
<v Speaker 1>her in that couch, but it doesn't matter like this.

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 1>This all plays out like a like a myth, like

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>a like a fairy tale, and you just follow it.

0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there is. They're setting up an exchange at

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:03.120
<v Speaker 3>the pier. So Black Lizard promises that Sina will be

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 3>returned safely if iwasa gives up the Star of Egypt

0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.759
<v Speaker 3>at a drop off point at the port, and he does.

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 3>He shows up with the jewels, but Black Lizard is

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.880
<v Speaker 3>treacherous and does not return his daughter because it seems

0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 3>like Black Lizard wants Sinnay even more than she wants

0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:20.760
<v Speaker 3>the jewels.

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:21.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she's just going to keep them both. So sorry,

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:29.359
<v Speaker 1>you've been double crossed. But Black Lizard gets what Black Lizard.

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 3>Wants and this leads to a chase with like private

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 3>detectives and cars and these motorcycle henchmen with smoke screens.

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.280
<v Speaker 3>These movies of the time really loved a like multi

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 3>colored smoke screen getaway that's in danger diabolic as well.

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this whole sequence was very danger diabolic. But they

0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and this is one of those things you have to note,

0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>they get away but sort of don't, like we have

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:56.759
<v Speaker 1>to again do all the math of Aketche's scheming and

0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:01.239
<v Speaker 1>counter scheming versus Black lizards scheming and counter scheming. The

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 1>viewer is just along for the ride.

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.240
<v Speaker 3>So Black Lizard escapes to her steamership with both Sennae

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:09.399
<v Speaker 3>and the jewels. But will Aketchi be able to save

0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 3>the day? And here we go to a scene in

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 3>Black Lizard's cabin on the boat that can you describe

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 3>this realm?

0:55:18.400 --> 0:55:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we know the deal with this futon. This

0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:25.719
<v Speaker 1>is how they just kidnapped her successfully for the second time. Uh,

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 1>And here's the couch that the futon in Black Lizard's

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:33.560
<v Speaker 1>chambers and she begins to realize what we the viewers

0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 1>suspect that Aketchie has hidden himself in that futon, and

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:41.319
<v Speaker 1>so she starts speaking to him in there. She has

0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:44.960
<v Speaker 1>her her her gang come in and like strap the

0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:47.879
<v Speaker 1>new straps around the futon so that he can't get out,

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and then she sends the gang back outside and she

0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:55.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of gets this like this this tender sequence where

0:55:55.800 --> 0:56:00.799
<v Speaker 1>she speaks to Aketchi, imprisoned in the futonveals her love

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.439
<v Speaker 1>to him, as well as her great fear of that love,

0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:06.440
<v Speaker 1>fear for what will change in her, because it is

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.560
<v Speaker 1>all the antithesis of the diamond heart.

0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:56:09.400 --> 0:56:11.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like, if I give into my love for you,

0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 1>then then I'm changing in a frightening way, and I

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.480
<v Speaker 1>can't have that, you know. And also you're my enemy,

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 1>so either way, I'm gonna have to kill you, and

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:25.000
<v Speaker 1>so that's what she seemingly does. She runs the couch

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:28.359
<v Speaker 1>through with a sword from the wall. Blood drips out

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 1>onto the floor. At that Up until that point, I

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.839
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure it even had anyone in there, because that's

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing, you know, a catch. He's not in there really,

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, he is a tape recorder or something. But

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.479
<v Speaker 1>blood comes out, and then she has the gang throw

0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the skewered, strapped sofa overboard into the ocean.

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 3>We see it like disappearing rapidly into the dark water

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:49.759
<v Speaker 3>behind the ship. It's a very evocative shot.

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 1>And she's out there on the deck, you know, feeling

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>a bit melancholy by herself. And then a new character emerges,

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 1>who we quickly learn is a trusted hunchback com minion

0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:03.840
<v Speaker 1>of hers and he kind of like you know, saunters

0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:07.000
<v Speaker 1>up onto the deck there, and he apologizes to her

0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 1>for not having been there when all this went down.

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.759
<v Speaker 1>He says, I was asleep. He offers some comfort and

0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 1>she's like, that's nice. I appreciate it, but I need

0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.240
<v Speaker 1>some time alone. And of course this is one of

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:17.000
<v Speaker 1>those moments.

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:21.120
<v Speaker 3>We're already like hmm, yeah about this guy. We're never

0:57:21.160 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 3>seeing his face, Like his face is always downturned. Wonder

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 3>about that.

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you will have your suspicions. Those suspicions may

0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>prove correct. But again in this film, it doesn't matter.

0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>You're along for the ride because if this, if you

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:37.760
<v Speaker 1>suspect that this hunch back is actually a catchy okay,

0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:40.560
<v Speaker 1>then the question is when will he dramatically reveal himself.

0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's what we're on board for.

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.160
<v Speaker 3>So we're here at act three, where we make it

0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:49.920
<v Speaker 3>all the way to Black Lizard's Fortress of fortress of

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:56.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know of crimtude. Yeah, So the ship arrives

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 3>and Rob, can you describe this place? I would kind

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:03.200
<v Speaker 3>of compare it to Bit to Scare Manga's Layer in

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:04.520
<v Speaker 3>the Men with the golden gun.

0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it is. It is a campy de light

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 1>that brings that to mind. It brings to mind the

0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 1>various layers of doctor fibes as well as danger diabolic fibes.

0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Would very much approve of this because it's essentially a

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 1>cabaret ballroom where we see the taxidermied or otherwise preserved.

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, the exact science of this doesn't matter. The

0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:30.000
<v Speaker 1>preserved bodies of the beautiful ones that she's collected on display,

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.440
<v Speaker 1>these dolls, wax figures, however you want to make them.

0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 1>There are all these curtains, we see these often topless figures,

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.200
<v Speaker 1>and as always in these films, these are, of course films,

0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:44.040
<v Speaker 1>these are of course live actors, frozen and still life,

0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:46.720
<v Speaker 1>which just compounds the creepiness of the situation.

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 3>So she's like going through here showing Sinnay all of

0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 3>these these frozen people, and it's leading up to the

0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:58.760
<v Speaker 3>explanation that like, Sinay, I'm going to make you one

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 3>of my frozen wax here.

0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we see that one of the main tableaus,

0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:06.280
<v Speaker 1>because they're all posed in dramatic poses, you know, it's

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.800
<v Speaker 1>like a wax museum. One of the tableaus concerns a

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 1>pair of knife fighters with a particularly absolutely jacked combatant

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 1>like just you know, rippling muscles stabbing his opponent in

0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:22.600
<v Speaker 1>mid grapple. The shirtless stabber here is played by Mishima,

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and a brief backstory is kind of revealed visually where

0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:28.680
<v Speaker 1>we It looks like these two men were made to

0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:32.720
<v Speaker 1>fight to the death for Black Lizard's affections, and I

0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 1>guess both both victor and the defeated here end up

0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.479
<v Speaker 1>being immortalized as a doll.

0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:41.360
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know if there was a victor. It looked

0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 3>like they were both stabbing each other at the same time.

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, they well in a way, then I guess

0:59:47.680 --> 0:59:51.320
<v Speaker 1>they both lost and boast both won because that's the thing.

0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>You lose and that you die, but you win to

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a certain extent in that you are immortalized in Black

0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Lizard's layer, and in this without life, without a soul,

1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.000
<v Speaker 1>then you know you have come as close to the

1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Diamond Heart as possible and therefore are deserving of her

1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:11.160
<v Speaker 1>true affections.

1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seems that men are just sort of like

1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:18.160
<v Speaker 3>lining up to die for Black Lizard and be preserved

1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:21.480
<v Speaker 3>as a statue in her layer forever. They're ready for it.

1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and women too. I guess it's like men and

1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:28.160
<v Speaker 1>women on display. But this is this moment where again

1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:33.120
<v Speaker 1>it's far more than cameo because this the jacked stabber

1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:37.600
<v Speaker 1>played by Mashima. Here she moves in and she kisses

1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:40.240
<v Speaker 1>him on the lips, and what is I think the

1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:43.480
<v Speaker 1>only kiss that we see in the picture. Could be

1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:45.840
<v Speaker 1>wrong on that, but it certainly is the most important one,

1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:48.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's a really powerful moment and a moment that

1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:53.160
<v Speaker 1>is also very crushing for the musician I'm Amiya who

1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:56.240
<v Speaker 1>is watching on because this is what causes him to

1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:59.240
<v Speaker 1>turn against Black Lizard, because he tries to help San

1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.479
<v Speaker 1>a brief locking the master criminal in her own cell.

1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:03.520
<v Speaker 3>But then we.

1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Eventually learned that this kiss didn't so much as turn

1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:10.040
<v Speaker 1>him against Black Lizard. He's not like, oh, I'm really

1:01:10.160 --> 1:01:13.560
<v Speaker 1>not into you, you know, kissing the preserved bodies of

1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:17.640
<v Speaker 1>dead men. No, it made him turn against Black Lizard

1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:21.000
<v Speaker 1>because he realized the only way to fulfill his obsession

1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:24.680
<v Speaker 1>was through death. A bold action like this he hopes

1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:27.720
<v Speaker 1>will result first in his death and then in his

1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:29.960
<v Speaker 1>immortalization as one of her dolls.

1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, so he's like, now I'm just the unappreciated lackey

1:01:35.240 --> 1:01:39.200
<v Speaker 3>of Black Lizard, But he realizes that she truly loves

1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:42.840
<v Speaker 3>her sort of stuffed statue figures, and the only way

1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:45.160
<v Speaker 3>he can really be loved by her is to make

1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:49.160
<v Speaker 3>her kill him in punishment for his treachery and turn

1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:51.640
<v Speaker 3>him into a statue, and then he'll be loved by her.

1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:56.360
<v Speaker 1>So that'm on me, Redemption Arch, he enters a very

1:01:56.520 --> 1:02:01.240
<v Speaker 1>like like even more tragic and weird section because again,

1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:04.640
<v Speaker 1>for Black Lizard, perfect love is soulless. It's the diamond heart,

1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and the only place she truly knows where to find

1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:09.640
<v Speaker 1>this is in her is in her dolls as a

1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:12.040
<v Speaker 1>means of cultivating it as well in herself.

1:02:12.440 --> 1:02:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, But there are some more twists that come

1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:19.000
<v Speaker 3>in now. One of the weirdest choices I thought is

1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:23.600
<v Speaker 3>so Sinay and Emma Mia are both kept in this

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<v Speaker 3>prison cell. Emma discloses everything here. He's like, yeah, here's

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get turned

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<v Speaker 3>into a statue.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Sinay reveals I'm not actually sinnae Yes, I

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<v Speaker 3>am a body double. I am a woman named Yoko

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<v Speaker 3>who was hired by a Catchee to pretend to be

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<v Speaker 3>Snae to keep her safe from Black Lizard. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think this is not just for part of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this character the entire film has actually just

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<v Speaker 3>been this body double named Yoko.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, so that's the way I interpret it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, Also Yoko the body double and I'm Gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be a they sort of bond over the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>they are both both frauds in some way, and then

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<v Speaker 3>they fall in love while imprisoned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so then we get the redemption art more

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<v Speaker 1>or less back on track for our men. I'm amiya here,

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<v Speaker 1>but from here we work our way into the big finish. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that Hunchback reveal that we saw coming a mile away,

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<v Speaker 1>it happens. It is a catchy. It's been a CATCHI

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time. The actual hunchback was in the futon

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<v Speaker 1>and was stabbed through. The Snake Woman goes in for

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<v Speaker 1>the kill. Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Akechi's men, like the fuzz show up there on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. I don't know where they came from, but

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<v Speaker 1>they know backups have arrived. Snake Woman goes in for

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<v Speaker 1>the kill against a Ketchi, but Black Lizard stops her

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<v Speaker 1>and kills Snake Woman dead. Black Lizard then retreats into

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<v Speaker 1>her inner chambers. Aketchee follows. He pursues, but when he

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<v Speaker 1>finds her, she has already taken a fatal poison, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the two of them lounge together on her calp

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<v Speaker 1>like lovers, sharing a tender moment, and she observes that

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<v Speaker 1>she has at last found the perfect diamond heart in

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<v Speaker 1>a catchy because he was able to outsmarter and out

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<v Speaker 1>double and triple cross her, you know, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>dies in this Yeah, this this tragic and beautiful like

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<v Speaker 1>Shakespearean moment. And then I'm a Mia and son or

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<v Speaker 1>the fake sonn run off together. There now a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>The case is solved, but we close out with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stylish shots of Black Lizard as the credits roll,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's you know, we got to leave everything on

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<v Speaker 1>a stylish happy note.

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<v Speaker 3>To a certain extent, I almost took the happy ending

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<v Speaker 3>for Ama Mia and the Sanae body double Yoko. I

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<v Speaker 3>almost took that as is, like it was supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be funny the way they're just allowed to run off together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, maybe that is a splash of comedy where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, we're both fakes, but we're in love now.

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<v Speaker 1>And then then they run off together, like, where are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys going? You're on a criminal mastermind, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>should probably hang around and leave with the police, But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I thought Black Lizard was a rollicking good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I had high hopes for this film, and it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't disappoint. I was interested when I read about it

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<v Speaker 1>in Fukusaku's filmography, when we talked about him previously, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when I went and rented it at Video Drum

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<v Speaker 1>here in Atlanta, John, one of the crew there, really

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<v Speaker 1>talked it up, and again the film absolutely delivered. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a romanticist, but now I too believe that crime

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<v Speaker 1>should wear a gorgeous gown with a train fifteen feet long,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the primordial dreams of lizards.

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<v Speaker 3>Well said, all right, well.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to go ahead and close it out here.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoyed our chat about Black Lizard, and

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly, I hope you enjoy Black Lizard. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to get a hold of it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that, hopefully in the not too distant future, we

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<v Speaker 1>see an actual like Blu Ray release for this film,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very deserving of it, and hey, you might be

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<v Speaker 1>lucky enough to see at a film festival somewhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you give the chance, make sure you do it.

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