WEBVTT - From the Mic to the Page: No. 1 of 5

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, this is Gilbert. In the coming weeks, we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing you something special, something I think Bone Value listeners

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<v Speaker 1>will really want to hear. Over the last few years,

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<v Speaker 1>I've met so many of you at Crime Con live

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<v Speaker 1>events and online, and I've been struck by your curiosity

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<v Speaker 1>about how we made the podcast and what was happening

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes of our investigation. One of the most

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<v Speaker 1>flattering things I hear from our most loyal listeners is

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<v Speaker 1>that you want more, you want updates, and you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from the people in this story you've come

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<v Speaker 1>to care so much about.

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<v Speaker 2>We got you.

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<v Speaker 1>As many of you know, I decided to write a

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<v Speaker 1>book about the Leo Schofield case. It's called Bone Valley,

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<v Speaker 1>A true story of injustice and redemption in the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of Florida, and it's now out in the world with

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<v Speaker 1>some terrific early reviews. When a lot of you first

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<v Speaker 1>heard that I was writing the book, the response was,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to read the audiobook. So I did, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a special thank you to Bone Valley listeners, we're

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<v Speaker 1>releasing exclusive excerpts from the audiobook, moments that take you

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes of our investigation into Michelle Schofield's murder

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<v Speaker 1>scenes that didn't make it into the podcast, and even

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<v Speaker 1>some new voices. In a way, this book takes you

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<v Speaker 1>behind the crime scene tape, but my goal was still

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<v Speaker 1>to give readers the same narrative, tension and intimacy that

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<v Speaker 1>made the podcast what it is. In our first installment

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<v Speaker 1>of Bone Valley, from the Mic to the Page, we're

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<v Speaker 1>starting with a bit of a twist. After the audiobook's epilogue,

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<v Speaker 1>Leo Schofield turns the tables and interviews me. To no

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<v Speaker 1>one's surprise, Leo was very comfortable in this role, as

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'll be able to tell. Here are the

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<v Speaker 1>first sixteen minutes from that hour long conversation, which I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you'll enjoy as much as I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, listeners, it's Gilbert King. Thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 3>the Bone Valley audiobook Today. I'm honored to be joined

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<v Speaker 3>in the studio by Leo Schofield, the man whose story

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<v Speaker 3>you've just heard.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi. I'm Leo Schofield, and I'm excited to be here

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<v Speaker 4>with Gilbert. While Gilbert has asked me so many questions

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<v Speaker 4>over the years, today I have the opportunity to ask

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<v Speaker 4>him some of my own questions.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we are Gilbert. Oh boy, I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>this already.

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<v Speaker 4>We've been together since I was thinking about this last

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<v Speaker 4>night twenty eighteen, correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, twenty eighteen, the first time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you ever envision this moment here?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, that's starting early.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you know, I just I remember so many times showing.

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<v Speaker 3>Up at Harty and just sitting across for you and

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<v Speaker 3>just feeling the shame that you would come in your

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<v Speaker 3>blues and be escorted by a guard. And at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of this conversation, we get to walk out to

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<v Speaker 3>the parking lot and go off on our lives and

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<v Speaker 3>you go back in your cell.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the thing that really.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to me the most was that I knew from

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<v Speaker 3>talking to Chrissy that we're bringing up the most horrific

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<v Speaker 3>moments of your life. And we go and walk out

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<v Speaker 3>into the car and drive home and have a meal,

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<v Speaker 3>and you go back into your cell and have to

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<v Speaker 3>live with the aftermath of this trauma that you've just recounted.

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<v Speaker 3>And I always felt bad about that, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>how did you deal with that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? You know, And I appreciate you saying that, because

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<v Speaker 4>I remember those moments myself and for me from my end,

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<v Speaker 4>I would get back to the cell, and while it

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<v Speaker 4>was difficult to relive those moments and keep going over it,

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<v Speaker 4>I had a great hope that something would be different

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<v Speaker 4>in the telling of it this time because it was you,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean, you're Gilbert King, I mean really,

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<v Speaker 4>and that hope is what helped me get through another day,

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<v Speaker 4>another week, another year, you know. And when we started

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<v Speaker 4>this in twenty eighteen, when you came on board, we

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about a book.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast was.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you come with the podcast and do you

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<v Speaker 4>remember do you remember telling me we were going to

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<v Speaker 4>do the podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of do, Well, what did you say the reasons?

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<v Speaker 2>What is a podcast?

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<v Speaker 4>And then when you described it to me, I said

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<v Speaker 4>that sounds like AM radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no reference for it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's thirty six years while at that time

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<v Speaker 4>thirty two thirty one years in prison, and had no

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<v Speaker 4>reference for a podcast, never experienced it, and yet Bone

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<v Speaker 4>Valley turned into the most incredible experiences of my life

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<v Speaker 4>in getting to know you. You know some of my favorite books.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you write in a genre that I really enjoy. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>so you're the author of Devil in the Grove. You

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<v Speaker 4>got a Politzer Prize for that. Beneath the Ruthless Sun.

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<v Speaker 4>I've read both of those, and one that wasn't as

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<v Speaker 4>well known that was really an emotional book for me

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<v Speaker 4>was The Execution of Willie Francis. Yeah, and so I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of got a feel for what you write about.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I'm just wondering, because this is all dealing

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<v Speaker 4>with civil rights stuff, wrongful convictions, wrongful deaths in a

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<v Speaker 4>system of justice, and I'm wondering what it is about

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<v Speaker 4>that subject that was so important to you as a person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I think it's just one of these

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<v Speaker 3>things where from a very early age, I remember being

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<v Speaker 3>drawn to books like count A Monte Cristo, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like justices, wrongfully accused people. I just felt like the

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<v Speaker 3>passion of the narrators. Papion was another book I remember

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<v Speaker 3>reading as a young person, and wrongfully convicted, sentenced to

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<v Speaker 3>Devil's Island, and this it is kind of an adventure

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<v Speaker 3>story in some respect, but at the heart of these

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<v Speaker 3>stories it's about a man losing his freedom, and for

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<v Speaker 3>some reason that just really resonated with me, even at

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<v Speaker 3>an early age, I grew up at a time well

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<v Speaker 3>we're kind of close in age, but watching Roots on

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<v Speaker 3>television and just realizing like, this is part of American history,

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<v Speaker 3>and like I didn't know anything about this, and just

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<v Speaker 3>being drawn by those injustices. This always affected my sense

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<v Speaker 3>of the stories I was drawn to, and so most

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<v Speaker 3>of the work I was doing was mostly set in

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<v Speaker 3>the pre civil rights movements, the forties and the fifties.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, when Judge Scott Cupp came to me

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<v Speaker 3>and gave me that card, I was not thinking about,

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<v Speaker 3>let me try and do something in the current day.

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<v Speaker 3>I really felt like the past was where I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to stay. And you know, he told me about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was intry because he's a judge and he's saying

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<v Speaker 3>there's an innocent man out there who was still in prison,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it's hard to just say no, I

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<v Speaker 3>won't look into it. I think I mentioned this in

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<v Speaker 3>the book that you know, I kind of wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>get him off the phone. But the easy way to

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<v Speaker 3>do it was say, all right, I'll look at the transcript,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know that started the whole process for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I started reading, I'm like, how is this stuff happening now?

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<v Speaker 3>I knew it happened in the forties and fifties, but

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<v Speaker 3>how is this stuff i'm reading about happening now? And

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<v Speaker 3>that's when I've sort of said, you know, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to look into this more. I said to Judge cub

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<v Speaker 3>what's what's the next step? And I remember he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's time you meet Leo. And he kind

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<v Speaker 3>of said it to me in a way like you're

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<v Speaker 3>in for something, You're in for something. Where do you

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<v Speaker 3>meet this guy? And I didn't believe him to be

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<v Speaker 3>honest with you. I'm always very skeptical, but that was

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<v Speaker 3>the way I experienced it. As soon as we met,

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<v Speaker 3>and as soon as I started hearing your story and

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<v Speaker 3>sitting across from you, it affected me in a way

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<v Speaker 3>that I really was drawn. I remember there was something

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<v Speaker 3>you said, so this is the story you remember.

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<v Speaker 2>For those words?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not going to change. I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about that in a minute because I want I want

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about our relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>But U and thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, So would you say what would you say is

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<v Speaker 4>different about this book in comparison to the others that

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<v Speaker 4>you have written.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a sense of urgency that comes to a story

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<v Speaker 3>when the people you're dealing with are sitting across from

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<v Speaker 3>you and you can see the pain and you can

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<v Speaker 3>feel the injustice. It's one thing going through the documents

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<v Speaker 3>and reading trial transcripts and appellate records and newspaper accounts

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<v Speaker 3>from seventy years ago, and you know, as painful as

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<v Speaker 3>those are, but there's something else entirely sitting across from

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<v Speaker 3>a man who is in his prison blues and is

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<v Speaker 3>going to go right back into his cell when you're done,

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<v Speaker 3>and recognizing that you're reading about an injustice and this

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<v Speaker 3>man's life is still affected by that, it just hits

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<v Speaker 3>you in a very different way. The immediate see of it,

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<v Speaker 3>the urge to sort of say and I know I

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<v Speaker 3>said this to you later on in the process, after

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<v Speaker 3>I fully investigated your story, I said, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what this is going to do for you, how it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to change your case or your life, but I

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<v Speaker 3>can promise you this, We.

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<v Speaker 2>Are going to change the narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>And I believe that that is the one thing I

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<v Speaker 3>could promise you that the narrative is going to be different,

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<v Speaker 3>because everything I looked into is wrong and I could

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<v Speaker 3>feel that, and I knew I could only make you

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<v Speaker 3>that promise that I can. I'm going to change the

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<v Speaker 3>official story here. I don't know if it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>help you. Frankly, I didn't think. I didn't think you'd

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<v Speaker 3>ever get out.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just be honest with Well, obviously it did help,

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<v Speaker 4>the narrative changing and getting across to so many people,

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<v Speaker 4>including people who have the ability to make a difference

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<v Speaker 4>in my life. I don't think I would be here

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<v Speaker 4>without just the way you told the narrative. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>and while you're saying that, I'm thinking about this, this

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<v Speaker 4>is pretty emotional for me too. You had some really

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<v Speaker 4>good help along the way. And a woman you mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>in the book who is a dear friend to both

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<v Speaker 4>of us now. Her name was Kelsey Decker, and she

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<v Speaker 4>did a lot and this thing, and I know the

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<v Speaker 4>book explains a lot of what she does. I want

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<v Speaker 4>to ask you about what her emotional response was to this.

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<v Speaker 4>Going further, I know she had a big response in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, she started out as a researcher, and

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<v Speaker 3>so she was ahead of me because I was working

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<v Speaker 3>on other projects. And I remember her going through the transcript,

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<v Speaker 3>going through the appellate records and just the intensity of

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<v Speaker 3>somebody young who's just drawn to this story and just saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to see this, Look at what they did,

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<v Speaker 3>Look at what the state did, Look what the police

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<v Speaker 3>did here, Like I could feel her energy and her

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<v Speaker 3>commitment to this, and it kind of drove me a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, because someone who's seen a lot more and

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<v Speaker 3>been studying these kind of cases for decades, just to

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<v Speaker 3>see how young people are really affected by injustice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of contagious. And it affected me.

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<v Speaker 3>In a way, like I was feeding off that she

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<v Speaker 3>was just overwhelmed by the injustice of this, and it

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<v Speaker 3>reminded me of how I felt when I was younger

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<v Speaker 3>when I would read these stories, and I could just

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<v Speaker 3>see how much time she was putting into the research

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<v Speaker 3>and just pointing these things out to me and wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about them, and it was really contagious, and

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<v Speaker 3>it really helped my enthusiasm because having someone to just

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<v Speaker 3>share this with and just to be able to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to constantly and work through all these different things that

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<v Speaker 3>we were learning about your case that.

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<v Speaker 2>Weren't brought out in trial, that weren't brought up, and

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<v Speaker 2>here we were seeing it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a tremendous asset to be able to work

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<v Speaker 3>with someone who was as committed as I felt I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, and she was definitely that because I remember

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<v Speaker 4>being interviewed by her how special those moments was for

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<v Speaker 4>both of us, and specifically because she wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Much older than Michelle.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, and I felt her connection to that,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it was very well covered in one

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<v Speaker 4>of the Bone Valley episodes in one of the most

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<v Speaker 4>emotional times of me, because it was hard for me

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<v Speaker 4>to listen to Bone Valley and here in Elsie after

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<v Speaker 4>you guys had been in at the pot Commie Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 4>office reviewing evidence and you got in the car and

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<v Speaker 4>she breaks down crying and was relating to Michelle and

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<v Speaker 4>the evidence and everything, and it was just one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most it's choking me up now even thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, and I had such a deep and have

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<v Speaker 4>such a deep connection with Kelsey because of that, and

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<v Speaker 4>she brings so much validation to the innocence claim.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, and everything about that

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<v Speaker 3>was real and raw, and we really didn't know what

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<v Speaker 3>we were doing while we were investigating. We just kept

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<v Speaker 3>the microphone on all the time. And those are just

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<v Speaker 3>things that came out, and we just decided we had

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<v Speaker 3>to just keep recording and just we'll see what we

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<v Speaker 3>get from this, because we don't really didn't know what

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<v Speaker 3>we're doing outside of the interviews. But I do remember

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<v Speaker 3>that moment because at this point, Michelle was always portrayed

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<v Speaker 3>as the victim, and she was a nameless victim. And

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<v Speaker 3>by this point we'd met you, we'd met Michelle's brother,

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<v Speaker 3>and she became a living, breathing person in our story,

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<v Speaker 3>and you sort of want to honor that in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that reflects a human being and not just a

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<v Speaker 3>trope or a character who's no longer alive. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>she lost her life at eighteen. What was that life like?

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we felt a real responsibility to portray

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<v Speaker 3>that in an honest way. And I think one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most honest ways is just looking at the evidence

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<v Speaker 3>and seeing all the evidence of they're Michelle's last moments

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<v Speaker 3>on Earth, and it's starting to fill in a story.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you see these photographs, and you know the

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<v Speaker 3>photographs just I know you've seen them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't know the person or you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>anything about their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a numbness to it.

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<v Speaker 3>But when it's somebody you've been talking to family members,

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<v Speaker 3>people who loved her, it hits you in a hard way.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt it too, Kelsey felt it in a much

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<v Speaker 3>more raw way.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, yeah, and I definitely appreciated that, and she is

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<v Speaker 4>forever endeared to my heart because of it. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the book a little bit, if you don't mind,

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the questions I don't think listeners would

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<v Speaker 4>want to ask. We've had a lot of downloads on

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<v Speaker 4>the Bone Valley podcast. I think nine episodes and then

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<v Speaker 4>the bonus episodes that went with it, right covering you,

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<v Speaker 4>covering release from prison, Yeah, right through, and it covers

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of the journey from Michelle's Marta forward to

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<v Speaker 4>that release.

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<v Speaker 2>Why a book now?

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<v Speaker 3>Originally when we first thought about podcasts, I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>made sense.

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<v Speaker 2>You're here.

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<v Speaker 3>You were such a dynamic storyteller, your voice it was

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<v Speaker 3>just something I wasn't used to, and I just I

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<v Speaker 3>remember thinking people need to hear Leo speaking about his

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<v Speaker 3>case and his conviction and hopes for release and exoneration.

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<v Speaker 3>It was powerful just being inside of prison with you

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<v Speaker 3>for must have been a dozen times, but I felt

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<v Speaker 3>like there was so much that we couldn't really cover

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<v Speaker 3>once I started spending years on this. There's parts, especially

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<v Speaker 3>like in the trial, we don't have audio for that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's some really dramatic scenes that take place in

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<v Speaker 3>the trial that I felt like in the podcast, I

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<v Speaker 3>just have to be reading transcript and it didn't feel

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<v Speaker 3>as powerful as a recreating the scene in a book.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like I wasn't done with it, and there

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<v Speaker 3>was so much more that I wanted to add to it,

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<v Speaker 3>so much more of the research that I couldn't really

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<v Speaker 3>use in the podcast, but it was there. It was

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm used to was writing books, and now I

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<v Speaker 3>have this in front of me, I have these voices

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<v Speaker 3>and these stories. I just felt like there was so

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<v Speaker 3>much more to tell, and that's what I really wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>I think with listeners they're going to get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of new material, but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Wanted people that read books, who don't listen to podcasts,

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<v Speaker 3>I want them to experience this narrative. And already it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of interesting to see like early copies going out

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<v Speaker 3>there and people who have never heard the podcast and

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<v Speaker 3>reading this and hearing their reaction to your story.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it was there I.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of resisted a book for a while, but eventually

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, no, this has to be.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much more here, so much more we couldn't cover.

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<v Speaker 3>And also like I just have sensibilities as someone who

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<v Speaker 3>writes narrative nonfiction like this feels like my natural story.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcasting never feels natural to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate my voice. I really don't like it. Others

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<v Speaker 3>seem to not mind it, but I just really wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to write the book. So the audiobook is a really

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<v Speaker 3>good compromise.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I get to read it. That's great.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, just so you know, I've heard a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people comment on your voice on the podcast, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>one of the sales for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Puts in the sea.

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<v Speaker 4>They say, no, I didn't hear that. You might have

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<v Speaker 4>heard other things the book does. And I was privileged

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to read an early copy of it

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<v Speaker 4>and the emotional response that I had to it, both

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<v Speaker 4>in giggling in the places where you you know, were

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<v Speaker 4>critiqueing something I wore a setter or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very funny. I'd laugh and my wife would say,

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<v Speaker 4>what now, what did you I need it too?

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<v Speaker 3>I wondered, if I know there's one part in the

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<v Speaker 3>book where I describe you, and this comes from you, Leo,

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<v Speaker 3>because you talk about having this mismatched suit that you're borrowing,

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<v Speaker 3>like a jacket from your dad, pants from Dave the

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<v Speaker 3>bass player, none of them fit because you don't own

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<v Speaker 3>a suit. And now you've got this haircut that they've

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<v Speaker 3>given you in prison. And I think you remember saying something,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not like something you get it supercuts right, and

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<v Speaker 3>just feeling like a clown, sort of showing up in

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<v Speaker 3>front of a jury poping life savers, not realizing your

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<v Speaker 3>life is on the line and you're being judged and

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<v Speaker 3>not having any sensibility of that. And I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 3>this one photograph of you sitting next to your attorney,

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Edmond, and you kind of look like one of

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<v Speaker 3>those eighties magicians, you know, like your hair is not

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<v Speaker 3>quite right. There's the lapels on your suit are kind

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<v Speaker 3>of big. And I was like, this guy looks like

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<v Speaker 3>a magician. I'm gonna run away from him. And I thought, man,

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<v Speaker 3>Leo's got to read this. I wondered if you'd be offended.

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<v Speaker 4>I did, And that's one of the definitely one of

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<v Speaker 4>the places where I giggled and my wife asked, what

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<v Speaker 4>is it? And I read it to him. Thank you

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<v Speaker 4>for that bringing humor to a story that otherwise is

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<v Speaker 4>extremely emotionally sad. For me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of humor at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, but you covered that really, really well. I

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<v Speaker 4>think even listeners of the podcast need to read this book.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you enjoyed this interview. I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how nice it was to be speaking to Leo in

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<v Speaker 1>a studio instead of inside a prison. In the coming weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be releasing more excerpts from the Bone Valley audiobook

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<v Speaker 1>right here. Next week's excerpt will include some behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes moments from our investigation into Jeremy Scott's early years,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as background from one of the most talked

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<v Speaker 1>about scenes from the podcast. And if you still can't

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<v Speaker 1>get enough Bone Valley, the book is available in stores everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and the audiobook version can be found wherever you download

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<v Speaker 1>your audio books. Please see the show notes for details.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks very much for listening, and please keep any out

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<v Speaker 1>for our next installment of Bone Valley. From the Mic

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<v Speaker 1>to the Page. The next four excerpts to be released

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<v Speaker 1>after this first one will be available ad free exclusively

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<v Speaker 1>on Lava for Good, plus on Apple Podcasts.