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Speaker 1: it is time for another Happy Hour. It, once again,

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Speaker 1: by happy coincidence, is actually Thursday. So happy Happy Thursday. Um.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to invite you to get a drink or

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Speaker 1: for a little bit as we we love to share

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Speaker 1: these hopefully spaces in perhaps a stressful time or day

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Speaker 1: for you to take that moment whatever that means to you.

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Speaker 1: Please join us because I'm actually I'm so excited, and

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Speaker 1: to talk about this. What I chose for this happy

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Speaker 1: Samantha knows that I love this very very much. And

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Speaker 1: as part of our watching Star Wars cocktail thing that

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Speaker 1: the original trilogy Samantha, you created one called the Cinnamon Roll,

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Speaker 1: actually Annie's Cinnamon Roll. Remember it was very very specific.

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Speaker 1: Did we name your segment because it's specific to your

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Speaker 1: nerd loves? Well, the working titles Annie's Nerd Corner. But

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Speaker 1: None of these things are sponsoring sponsorship. Um. And then

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Speaker 1: And that is your any cinnamon role and I love it. Samantha.

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Speaker 1: You nailed it, um. And that is what we're sipping

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Speaker 1: I have many recommendations. I will totally shout out your

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