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Speaker 1: Before there was Selena Gomez Lac or Selena the badass

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Speaker 2: She was this a young girl from Texas that already

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Speaker 1: Inspired by her mother's short time on stage, Selena had

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Speaker 1: wanted to dazzle many the same way, but on.

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Speaker 2: A much much larger scale.

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Speaker 1: Between working jobs at david Busters and Starbucks.

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Speaker 2: Or digging through their car for enough change to have

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Speaker 1: Selena's mom would perform at her community theater production.

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Speaker 2: And she'd often bring Selena along.

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Speaker 1: One day, little Selena turned to her mom and said, Mom,

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Speaker 1: I want to do what you want to do, and

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Speaker 1: that she.

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Speaker 2: Would come with us as we explore the other wildly

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Speaker 2: successful site of Selena's fame, her evolution as an actress.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host Liliana Ooscaz.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and This is Becoming an Icon.

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Speaker 1: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on

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Speaker 1: how today's most famous latinv stars have shaped pop culture

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Speaker 1: and given the world some extra level.

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Speaker 3: Sit back and get comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Because we are going in the only way we know how.

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Speaker 3: With whenas with us, buenasriesas.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of opinions as we relive their greatest

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Speaker 1: achievements on our journey to find out what makes them

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Speaker 1: so iconic.

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Speaker 3: Joseph, we know that you love a Selena song.

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Speaker 1: You have multiple playlists that inspire you on the daily

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Speaker 1: led by Selena. But how much of Selena's acting career

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Speaker 1: are you familiar with?

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Speaker 2: Dude? You are going to be shocked because I am

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Speaker 2: not very, very, very familiar with Selena's acting career because

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Speaker 2: I wasn't introduced to Selena like that, so her acting

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Speaker 2: and me is.

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Speaker 3: Rare, very very good plug there.

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Speaker 1: So, have you ever seen an episode of Wizards of

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Speaker 2: I have, I have, but I was not watching the show.

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Speaker 2: I was a little older, so it.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't you were like you had aged at all?

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Speaker 2: Was in my twenties Okay, let's be clear. No, but

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Speaker 2: I was a little bit older, so it's not something

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Speaker 1: I think that's so funny that you said you were

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Speaker 1: in your twenties. Bitch, you are such a liar. You

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Speaker 1: are in your thirty and no, you were not watching Disney.

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Speaker 1: I am with you right there. I feel like for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of all of the different Disney

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Speaker 1: stuff that I was happening that people were like high

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Speaker 1: school musical Wizards of Waverley Place, Hannah, Montana. None of

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Speaker 1: that is of our generation. Would I say Disney was

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Speaker 1: not ever present in the way that it was when

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Speaker 1: you and I were growing up, Like I always thought

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Speaker 1: of Disney just as like the Disney franchise, cartoons and movies.

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Speaker 1: I never thought of it as sitcoms and shows in

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Speaker 1: the way that this younger generation views Disney like that

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Speaker 1: Lion King, that's legit, Okay, so beyond Disney obviously she

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Speaker 1: started there. But were you a Selena movie fan or

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Speaker 3: Her through the music?

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Speaker 3: I love that. So that gives us.

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Speaker 1: A really interesting place to work from for this episode,

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Speaker 1: because I think what people don't realize is that she's

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Speaker 2: Selena was straightforward with her mom. She said I want

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine being so self assured about your life

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Speaker 2: Honest to big G, I can't. She saw the future

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Speaker 1: It was two thousand and two when our mother drove

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Speaker 2: At this point, she was seven and her parents had

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Speaker 1: She booked the show and Barney provided an escape she

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Speaker 2: we can't negotiate that snack budget.

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Speaker 3: We don't even have a water budget.

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Speaker 2: Their little friendship meet Cute was in fact cute. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So there was about fifteen hundred kids at that very

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Speaker 2: By the end of it, only seven kids made the cut,

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Speaker 1: They didn't know the other had gotten picked until they

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Speaker 2: They both shared that during their I Love You, You Love

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Speaker 1: But by the age of ten, Selena had aged out

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, we all know Selena got her start on Barney,

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Speaker 3: That is very generous to you.

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Speaker 1: No, I was never cast on Barney, but I was

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Speaker 1: And you know who else was enrolled in this particular workshop.

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Speaker 2: Wait, like Barney the Purple Dino. Yeah, like the actor

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Speaker 1: Like, yes, David Joyner, the actual actor in Barney was

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Speaker 1: Despite all of the really kind of shitty things that

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Speaker 1: Post Barney, Selena spent the next five years flying back

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Speaker 1: During her time in LA, she booked a number of

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Speaker 2: In the grand scheme of things, it was going well,

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Speaker 2: but all the back and forth became too much and

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Speaker 1: Look at you with all the industry lingo per diem for.

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Speaker 1: Well, her hard work finally paid off when Selena booked

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Speaker 2: Soon it was Audio Sluonsar State and Hello La laland.

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Speaker 3: This time permanently.

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Speaker 1: Selena and her mother relocated to sunny California, where she

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Speaker 1: That probably seems like a dream come true for any teen,

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Speaker 1: And let's be honest, grown men with cameras in your

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Speaker 1: And remember this fame wasn't gradual for Selena. These were

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Speaker 2: Her very self became a product, her face, her voice,

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Speaker 1: She says, that was my job, in a way, to

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Speaker 2: But despite being under a microscope, she held her own

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Speaker 1: The show was a wild success, receiving numerous accolades, including

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Speaker 2: The critics loved everything Selena brought to the character. Alex

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Speaker 1: The audience loved everything about Selena and her character, the clothes,

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Speaker 1: With Selena's idols and colleagues making moves, it was time

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Speaker 2: It starts Selena Gomez, Drew Seeley and Jane Lynch, and

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Speaker 2: it was a sequel to a Cinderella story from two

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Speaker 1: The first film had been a huge success with our

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Speaker 2: So Selena had big shoes to fill or should I

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Speaker 1: The film became a fan favorite, but amongst critics, no

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Speaker 1: Selena and Drew, her love interest in the film.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a little hard to watch him not gonna

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Speaker 2: Disney, as we know by now, was making sure that

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Speaker 1: She started a crossover episode with other shows on the

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Speaker 1: While they did feel like career accelerators. Selena wanted more

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Speaker 2: Cult status meant Selena could play in the big leagues.

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Speaker 2: The Wizards Return Alex Versus Alex.

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Speaker 4: The Wizards have returned. The positive side of her return

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Speaker 3: Can we just get the writers back? Can y'all give

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Speaker 1: Like, can we support these people that write brilliant screenplays?

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Speaker 1: This time she had to take a break from her

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Speaker 2: Well, this was confirmation that her career wouldn't take a

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Speaker 1: In April, Selena fired her mother and stepfather, Brian Tefey,

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Speaker 2: That opened up a lot of roles that kept Selena

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Speaker 1: She made the Hotel Transylvania movies and they performed well,

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Speaker 2: Selena also got to work with vampire Paul Rudd.

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Speaker 1: More, especially after she opened up about her journey with

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Speaker 1: Singing had given her an outlet to deal with all

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Speaker 1: great practice, and it gave her an idea, maybe thirteen ideas,

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Speaker 1: more like thirteen Reasons.

446
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: Selena had been trying to adapt Thirteen Reasons Why for years.

447
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: The young adult novel by Jay Asher was published in

448
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Selena's mom had read the book

449
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: while she was still managing her daughter and thought it

450
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: would be a great idea for them to adapt it.

451
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: Time passed while the project tried to get on its feed,

452
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: and Selena had aged out of the role of the

453
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: main character, Hannah Baker, but that didn't mean that she

454
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: had to step back from the project altogether.

455
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, the production finally got a green light

456
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: at Netflix. Selena would serve as executive producer alongside her mom.

457
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: It premiered in March twenty seventeen and became a milestone

458
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: in Selena's career, with the series lasting four seasons. At

459
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: the time, this show was something to talk about.

460
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: Good press, bad press, It doesn't matter.

461
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: I just remember how much attention this brought to a Netflix,

462
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: right this is twenty seventeen, and also to suicide in

463
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: teens and mental health, and for that Selena should be

464
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: given like all of the accolades.

465
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that, it's just like

466
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: she's bringing mental health stuff forward. Do you think it

467
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: was the interests content?

468
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: I think it shined a light on it, and when

469
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: people aren't ready to see what is in that light,

470
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: then they say that you're glamorizing it. But this was happening,

471
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: This was real, and when you talk to teens that

472
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: were watching the show, like it's like euphoria. It's an

473
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: extreme and it's uncomfortable to watch it. But like, this

474
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: isn't coming out of nowhere. Like she said, there's going

475
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: to be backlash no matter what, because this isn't an

476
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: easy subject to talk about. People don't want to see this,

477
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about it. You're bringing attention

478
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: to something that needed to be spoken about.

479
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Speaker 2: It's just really interesting, like the roles that she's played

480
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: and then something like thirteen Reasons Why. It's a very

481
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Speaker 2: o no im And.

482
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Speaker 1: I think what's interesting for her is, you know, repositioning

483
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: her as an executive producer on this project instead of

484
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: having her act in the project was really smart because

485
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: she came up through Disney, like she saw these kids,

486
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: She knew who her audience was, and her audience that

487
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: watched her on Wizards of Waverley Place became the audience

488
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: that was in high school at the time that Thirteen

489
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: Reasons Why hit Netflix, So she wanted to give them

490
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: something to say, hey, I see you people suffer and

491
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: it's not okay to be cruel. There's no doubt why

492
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: this show was such a critical success and why thirteen

493
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: Reasons Why was the most tweeted about show of twenty seventeen,

494
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: and You Guys was also the most watched original streaming

495
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: series of twenty eighteen.

496
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: She was quietly killing the game.

497
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: Like to have the most watched streaming series of the year.

498
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: That's fucking major. And as an executive producer like this

499
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: girl knows what she's doing, Like, do not undervalue or

500
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: discredit Selena.

501
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: Ever.

502
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: Ever, Selena was approached about a project called Living Undocumented

503
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen. After seeing early footage for the Netflix docuseries.

504
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: She was more than convinced. Okay, guys, bear with me

505
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: to read something very long. She wrote an op ed

506
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: for Time, and she shared her family's immigration story and

507
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: why she was inspired to make this particular documentary.

508
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 3: It's long, so I'm ready.

509
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: I'm ready for it. Give it to me, coming her

510
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: break down, let me get my not chock.

511
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: And most importantly, listen. Here's what she wrote.

512
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: In the nineteen seventies, my aunt crossed the border from

513
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: Mexico to the United States hidden in the back of

514
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: a truck. My grandparents followed when my father was born

515
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: in Texas. Soon after, in nineteen ninety two, I was

516
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: born a US citizen. Thanks to their bravery and sacrifice.

517
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: Over the past.

518
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: Four decades, members of my family have worked hard to

519
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: gain United States citizenship. Undocumented immigration is an issue I

520
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: think about every day, and I never forget how blessed

521
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: I am to have been born in this country thanks

522
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: to my family and the grace of circumstance.

523
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 3: But when I read the news headlines.

524
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: Or see debates about immigration rage on social media, I

525
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: feel afraid for those in similar city situations.

526
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: I feel afraid from my country.

527
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: She wanted to give a face to the issue as

528
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 2: many were facing because of immigration policy. It proved that

529
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: she was more than just headlines. In her words, it's

530
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: a human issue that affects real people.

531
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Speaker 1: Her hit series for Netflix kept her busy, So let's

532
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: fast forward to twenty twenty. Although, Joseph, that could be

533
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: traumatic for you because those were our days of getting

534
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: up at four thirty in the morning for E news.

535
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: Do we have to go back there? I also don't

536
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: want to go back to COVID.

537
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: I know, I know, But with the pandemic, Selena, like

538
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, took a step back to breathe,

539
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: and she brought her work home like all.

540
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: Of us actually worked from home. But how is that

541
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: taking a step back to breathe? Tell me how I'm

542
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: supposed to breathe with no air. She's literally the.

543
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: Hustler, always on that hustle.

544
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: While she was home, she hosted and executive produced her

545
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: own cooking show on HBO Max called Selena and Chef Appreciate.

546
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: The Grind, putting us all in our place, I mean,

547
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: making us look lazy RISBC.

548
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: The show was inspired by Selena's own experiences trying to

549
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: cook for herself during quarantine.

550
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: Same it was marketed as unrehearsed, unfiltered, unscripted, and if

551
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: all that wasn't enough, Selena added something else to her plate,

552
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: becoming a whole ass business woman.

553
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, in the middle of a global pandemic,

554
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez launched Rare Beauty, inspired by her twenty twenty

555
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: album Rare.

556
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh my God, are you obsessed with the liquid blush?

557
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: I have not encountered texture like that when you touch

558
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: it and play with it. If you guys don't know,

559
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: it is really good quality products.

560
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Rarely you will get a beauty brand that crosses into

561
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: consumer and artist, meaning consumers enjoy using it as much

562
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: as artists enjoy using it. There's not a lot of them,

563
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: but this is one of them. Why Joseph, Why for me?

564
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: I think that she really believes in makeup as opposed

565
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: to like another starlet creating a beauty brand. Like she

566
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: is this person that really invested and was like thinking

567
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: about beauty. She is the type of person that thought

568
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: about this brand as well, like it was part of

569
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: it the image of it. Does that make sense?

570
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: It makes perfect sense.

571
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: And when she was interviewed about why she wanted to

572
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: branch out into the industry, she said, this, My main

573
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: purpose when I started Rare Beauty was to break down

574
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: the unrealistic standards of beauty we see in society today.

575
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: There's so much pressure on us to be perfect.

576
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: I decided to create Rare Beauty to challenge the conversations

577
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: around beauty. I'm going to be very honest here to

578
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: say that I generally will not buy a beauty brand

579
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: that is founded by a celestri same because I believe

580
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: in the artistry of makeup. I believe in the Pat

581
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: McGraths of the world, the Kevin o'kwan's.

582
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 2: You know. When she came out with this line, I

583
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I want to go see it, which

584
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: is very funny because when other people have come out

585
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: with stuff, I'm always like I don't want it, and

586
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: I get sent everything everything. I'm like, I don't want it,

587
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: I'm not interested. I just get this stuff. But with

588
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Seleaner where beauty please send us stuff, send you my address.

589
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Send all of the highlighters, all of the plushes, and

590
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: I will do the all of it and please the concealers.

591
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: Those are my favorite concealers.

592
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Like I was very curious because I don't think that

593
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: Selena would have created something that was not well thought out.

594
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know her, but I was like, oh,

595
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: this is going to be a good product. I thought that,

596
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: and you know what it fucking is.

597
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: It is And within its first year of launching, Rare

598
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: generated sixty million dollars in revenue.

599
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: And when you have conversations.

600
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: In our world, in the beauty fashion style world about makeup,

601
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: two brands that always get put in the same category

602
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: of excellence are Rare Beauty and Fenigue.

603
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: Like a lure stamped classified best selling. They are real

604
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: brands that are making a difference with their imagery, with

605
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: what they stand for with their inclusivity.

606
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: Like its next level and if you guys have not

607
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: tried rare beauty, this is hashtag not sponsored.

608
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: By the way, but we're open to it.

609
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: We're open to it.

610
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: So Selena made a name for herself as an actress, She.

611
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Made a name for herself as a singer in English

612
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: and in Spanish.

613
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: My bilingual queen.

614
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: Then she was a bomb ass executive producer and a

615
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: beauty mogul.

616
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: What comes next.

617
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: The best of them all?

618
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Selena signed on to star and executive produce Get It Girl,

619
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Speaker 1: the Hulu mystery comedy Only Murders in the Building, along

620
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Speaker 1: with Steve Martin and Martin short.

621
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Speaker 2: It is a recipe for success for the little Chef.

622
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: The role mark Selena's return to television in a role

623
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Speaker 1: as a series regular.

624
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: Since Wizards and History repeats itself, just like Wizards was

625
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: for the Disney Channel, it was a huge hit for

626
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Speaker 2: the streamer.

627
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: It was the most watched comedy premiere in Hulu history.

628
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: The critics love it, and it's gone on to receive

629
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: numerous nominations and awards.

630
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: This most recent role forced her to take a look

631
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: back on all her previous projects. She realized that signing

632
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: her life away to Disney in those early days really

633
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: affected how she viewed herself.

634
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: Finally being able to play a character that matched her

635
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: age in real life made her fully reflect on how

636
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Speaker 1: far she's come.

637
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: It was almost like she's finally a loud herself to

638
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: feel comfortable where she was in her life. At the

639
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: seventy fourth Primetime Emmy Awards, she was nominated as a

640
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Speaker 2: producer for the Outstanding Comedy Series.

641
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Speaker 1: By the way, this is only the third time a

642
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: Latina has ever been nominated as a producer for a

643
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: comedy series in the Awards history, and much like jay

644
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: Lo with Hustlers and the Oscars, many expressed how disappointed

645
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: they were that Selena failed to receive an Emmy nomination

646
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series.

647
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Even Steve Martin and Martin Short were like, yo, guys,

648
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: what gives.

649
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: They released a statement that said, we're a little dismayed

650
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: that Selena didn't get nominated because she's so crucial to

651
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: the trio, to the show.

652
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: She kind of balances us.

653
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: But it's okay. She had bigger and better things coming up.

654
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: Having found peace with where she was in life, Selena

655
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: thought it was the perfect moment to open up to

656
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: the world in a new way.

657
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, Selena released her documentary My Mind

658
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Speaker 1: and Me.

659
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: Directed by Alish Kashshian. The film follows Selena through six

660
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: years of her life, starting in twenty fifteen.

661
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: They had worked together on Selena's Hands to Myself music video,

662
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: and Selena wanted to continue collaborating with Kashishian. He was

663
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Speaker 1: no stranger to the doc game. He had famously worked

664
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Speaker 1: on Madonna Truth or Dare Back in nineteen ninety one,

665
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: eh Big.

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Speaker 2: He was also clear that he had no interest in

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Speaker 2: making another traditionally pop doc, so they took on a

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Speaker 2: different approach.

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Speaker 1: Throughout a series of interviews, Selena maintains that she lets

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Speaker 1: the hate and headlines motivate her, but Kashshian, well, he

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Speaker 1: captures something quite different.

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Speaker 2: We see Selena break down and it's just so raw

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Speaker 2: and it's so.

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Speaker 1: Real and in my mind and me, we get to

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Speaker 1: see something more vulnerable and authentic. Selena let him capture everything.

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Speaker 1: And you guys, they did not expect this to be

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Speaker 1: a project that expanded over six years, Yet here it is.

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Speaker 1: It premiered at the AFI Fest in November twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: and was released two days later on Apple TV Plus.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, if you are an Android user like me,

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Speaker 2: like kept download app and it's like a whole thing,

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Speaker 2: but it's worketh it and critics loved it. It received

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Speaker 2: the Seal of Female Empowerment in Entertainment by the Critics'

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Speaker 2: Choice Association.

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Speaker 1: And just in case there's like three people out there

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Speaker 1: that have not seen this documentary and want to know

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Speaker 1: how it really just centers on her and her journey

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Speaker 1: and her healing, I'm going to let Rolling Stone describe it,

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Speaker 1: they said. Any preliminary ideas that this might be a

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Speaker 1: puff piece more vanity project are shattered five minutes in

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Speaker 1: when the mental anguish that caused Gomez to cancel her

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen revival tour early and check herself into a

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Speaker 1: treatment facility is on full, painful, tearful display. It's almost

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Speaker 1: hard to watch. Like I have to say, when I

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Speaker 1: watched it the first time, I watched it in pieces.

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Speaker 1: And part of that is because you have to remember

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Speaker 1: that I have worked in entertainment journalism for ten years,

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Speaker 1: so I am part of this machine, right. I work

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Speaker 1: on these shows that are sometimes rooted in rumor and scandal.

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Speaker 1: It's my job, and I'm very proud of my job,

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Speaker 1: and I'm very proud of the work that I do.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also very proud of the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have always stood my ground when it came to

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Speaker 1: reporting things that felt mean spirited, or that felt false,

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Speaker 1: or that felt like we didn't have enough information to

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Speaker 1: run with it. I'm not saying that I wasn't overruled

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Speaker 1: in an editorial meeting, but for somebody that covers this

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Speaker 1: industry and who transacts on celebrity and fame, I had

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Speaker 1: to watch it in parts because you see her like

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Speaker 1: literally breaking down after an entire day of a junket.

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Speaker 1: And I've been the reporter that sat across from Selena,

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Speaker 1: And for me, this film was less about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she can't show up, it's what does this cause her

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Speaker 1: to feel like in the days after, and when you

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Speaker 1: see her like unable to get out of bed, like

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Speaker 1: screaming at her friends, angry, like roaming her house, like

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Speaker 1: you see it, You're like, shit, we did that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did that to her.

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Speaker 2: Well, people don't understand about celebrities or people of influence, right,

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Speaker 2: just anybody anything very demanding is that you really always

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Speaker 2: have to be on, but you have to be on

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Speaker 2: in a way that's like not really you and that

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Speaker 2: is just so mentally taxing, like Janos is what all?

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Speaker 3: It's true?

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Speaker 1: And you know, to give you guys context for what

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Speaker 1: she was going through during the documentary.

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Speaker 3: Remember she was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease lupus, right,

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Speaker 3: which is triggered and accelerated by stress. Okay, Then she

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Speaker 3: had a kidney transplant in twenty seventeen. On top of that,

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Speaker 3: she had a highly publicized makeup and break up with

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Speaker 3: Justin Bieber. Then the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Then she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, which she first

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Speaker 1: shared with us in that episode of Miley Cyrus's Instagram show.

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Speaker 1: Bright minded all of that while she was executive producing

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Speaker 1: starring Building a Beauty Empire. So we ask a lot

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Speaker 1: of our people, but like at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: I think Selena also asks a lot of herself and

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Speaker 1: the combination of those two, like how does somebody even

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Speaker 1: survive this.

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Speaker 2: When you come from hubble beginnings as we have, You know,

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Speaker 2: we don't know how to stop working.

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Speaker 1: That idea of the constant work, Like you hear it

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Speaker 1: referred to a lot as being on the hamster wheel.

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Speaker 1: My therapist described it and defined it for me as

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Speaker 1: a scarcity mind set. Yeah, you do not come from

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Speaker 1: abundance because you do not know abundance. And it is

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Speaker 1: not about I need more money, I need a bigger house.

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Speaker 1: It is that I don't know if I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have another meal.

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Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is is that you you have

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Speaker 2: a you can have a big house and all of

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Speaker 2: these things, and it steal fucking feels the same way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it does not matter because that is generational trauma

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Speaker 1: that is passed down. It is in our DNA. It

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Speaker 1: is the way we are wired and it takes so

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Speaker 1: much work to unprogram yourself from that. But again, having

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Speaker 1: these conversations like we are having this conversation on this

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Speaker 1: podcast because we're talking about sling.

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Speaker 3: Look what Selena did.

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Speaker 1: She gave us the opportunity to have this conversation.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, Selena. We love you.

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Speaker 1: Despite all the ups and downs of Selena's career, one

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Speaker 1: thing is for certain that we.

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Speaker 2: Deserve exclusive promo codes from Rare Beauty. Honestly, I need

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Speaker 2: a restock on these blushes and the lipoile.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say was that Selena never

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Speaker 1: fails to surprise and delight the world beyond iconic. I

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Speaker 1: love that we live in a world where someone with

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Speaker 1: so much strength and resilience exists, and I, for one,

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Speaker 1: and I speak for Joseph as well, cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: see what she does next.

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Speaker 2: On the next Becoming an Icon, we bring back our

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Speaker 2: boy Bruno Mars and sit down with guests to discuss

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Speaker 2: how both Bruno and Selena have changed a landscape of entertainment.

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Speaker 1: Becoming an Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael

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Speaker 1: dudda podcast network. Listen to Becoming an Icon on the

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