WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: How Metal Detectors Works

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works in love all things tech and back

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<v Speaker 1>on October two thousand eleven, my co host Chris Paulette

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<v Speaker 1>and I sat down in a tiny little alcove at

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<v Speaker 1>the then headquarters of How Stuff Works in Buckhead, Georgia, Buckhead, Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of glad we're not in that particular alcove

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm in a much nicer studio. But we sat

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<v Speaker 1>down to talk about how metal detectors work. What is

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<v Speaker 1>the operating principle behind metal detectors, what's the science behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're about to enjoy this classic episode of tech

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff how metal detectors work, And I'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>again in just a moment. So today we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about this. You know what, This was a

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<v Speaker 1>topic that I don't know that anyone has ever requested. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It came to me actually as I was looking through

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in my basement and went metal detectors. How should

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<v Speaker 1>talking about We've never talked about metal detective Actually, we've

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<v Speaker 1>sort of talked about metal detectors, because metal detectors use

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the technology we talked about before, especially

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship of magnetism to electricity. Yeah, um, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's something that we run into very often,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if we travel and walk through the metal detectors

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<v Speaker 1>at the airport. If we're not getting back scattered or uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dropping stuff that you can't find, losing your

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<v Speaker 1>wedding ring and the malts outside. Yikes, that's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I've done that. I still have it, so there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never lost my wedding ring. All right, Well it

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<v Speaker 1>was only temporary. So anyway, metal detectors talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>they are. We're mostly going to be talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>kind that you would you would care you with you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the portable metal detectors that you would use

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<v Speaker 1>when looking for say, loose change on the beach, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, searching for that rare civil war uh bullet

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<v Speaker 1>or a gun that might be part of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in an area that you knew the battle happened here,

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<v Speaker 1>so there may very well be stuff here. Yeah. We

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<v Speaker 1>we should definitely talk about some of the applications of

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<v Speaker 1>the technology. Um, and I would like to point out

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<v Speaker 1>that we have an excellent article on how stuff works

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<v Speaker 1>dot com if you're interested in learning more, um, how

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<v Speaker 1>metal detectors work. Yeah, it should be pretty easy for

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<v Speaker 1>people to find, written by Jeff Tyson, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>a very good article and very uh simple to follow,

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<v Speaker 1>easy to understand. I would say this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of those really great how stuff works articles. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, by the time you get through it and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, yeah, no, that totally makes sense, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a little bit of grounding in the

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<v Speaker 1>way electromagnetism works and conductors and inducers. Right, So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>we'll cover that. I mean, we've talked about an in

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<v Speaker 1>previous podcast, but we'll we'll do a quick brush up

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can explain it. Um, so you wanna,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's talk about the the Jeff does a great

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<v Speaker 1>job at breaking down what the typical portable metal detector,

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<v Speaker 1>the four main parts of one, what they would be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you've ever seen people walking around with

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<v Speaker 1>a metal detector, you you sort of know what they

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<v Speaker 1>look like. They have a round dish part that's used

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<v Speaker 1>close to the ground, right, that's a that's called the

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<v Speaker 1>coil um then yes, And then you have the stabilizer um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the part that you actually hold onto, that

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<v Speaker 1>holds onto europe, that that you see on your arm

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, frankly, having used a metal detector, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the lightest thing, right. This this helps, This helps

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<v Speaker 1>distribute the weight somewhat so that you're not you don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you're carrying around a you know, ten pound

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<v Speaker 1>brick the whole time, because without that then you would

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<v Speaker 1>get very tired very quickly. Yeah. And the the ten

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<v Speaker 1>pound the aforementioned ten pound brick, which probably isn't ten pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>but it certainly can feel that way after a while.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the control box, uh, And you've got all your

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<v Speaker 1>your electronics in there. And and then the the connecting bit, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the long skinny part that's the shaft. Yes, it connects

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<v Speaker 1>the coil at the base to the part that you're holding,

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<v Speaker 1>and the of course the control box. So those are

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<v Speaker 1>your four basic parts of your basic metal detector. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know you have your headphones because this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of our episodes of stuff that beeps and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff what beats? Stuff? What beeps and it it does

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<v Speaker 1>in fact deep Yeah, there's usually some sort of audible

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<v Speaker 1>alert that you have in fact detected metal and now

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<v Speaker 1>and more sophisticated UH, metal detectors will tell you a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more often with uh, well sometimes with with an

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<v Speaker 1>audible tone, but also with a visual uh, some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of visual analysis. We can get into that to in

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. So there are three main types of metal detectors,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones at work, the three three main approaches to

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<v Speaker 1>to metal detection. Let's say, Uh, there's UM, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>very low frequency which is probably the most um, the

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<v Speaker 1>most popular or the most common type of MEL detector,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for the portable metal detectors. UM. Yeah. When

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<v Speaker 1>we get into this, you'll you'll see that each of

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<v Speaker 1>these different types has its own strengths and weaknesses. And

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<v Speaker 1>you might say, well, the VLF detector sounds great, why

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<v Speaker 1>would you use the others? We'll get into that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The other two are pulse induction and beat frequency oscillation. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I I knew a beat frequency oscillator once. He was awesome. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there was something else I guess, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the beat boxer frequency oscillator. That the uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>VLF metal detector is the type that I have. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh the the basic differences, uh, and these is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you'll see those really in the coils. To

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, because the VLF has two different coils. One

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<v Speaker 1>transmits um and and the other is basically an antenna

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up the signals, so they're shielded from one another,

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't pick up because otherwise you turned it on,

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<v Speaker 1>you would just have the receiver saying, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's metal everywhere. Holy crap, you're rich, even up in

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<v Speaker 1>the air. It's it's literally everywhere. Yeah, that would that

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<v Speaker 1>would not be very useful. And taking this back to

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<v Speaker 1>the store where I bought it. It's a detector detector.

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<v Speaker 1>This does not do me any good. It's a detected

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<v Speaker 1>or it's a detected or where's perry? So the the

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<v Speaker 1>the transmitter coil um it's it think of a circle,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. It's the circular part at the base of

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<v Speaker 1>the male detector. And if you were to take it apart,

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<v Speaker 1>which I do not recommend you do, you would see

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a warrant point your warranty and it

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<v Speaker 1>may not work anymore. You will have a there's a

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<v Speaker 1>coil of wire that goes around the perimeter of this circle.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's wrapped around. So the circle itself is

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<v Speaker 1>let's say it's like a quarter of an inch thick,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got this coil of wire that's that's coiled

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<v Speaker 1>around this quarter of an inch all the way around

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<v Speaker 1>the perimeter of this circle. When you run electricity through

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<v Speaker 1>this coil of wire, what happens besides the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>electrons are moving through because of the nature of electricity

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<v Speaker 1>and magnetism, Well, when you run electricity around a coil

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<v Speaker 1>like that, it generates a magnetic field. That's right, It

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<v Speaker 1>does generate a magnetic field, and it generates a magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field perpendicular to the direction of the electricity. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of electromagnetism. It's amazing, it's awesome. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>how electro magnets work and UH dynamo's work in UH

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of using this reverse um. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>electricity flowing through these coils, and that generates the magnetic field. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't just the electricity. Electricity doesn't just flow in

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<v Speaker 1>one direction, no, it it goes back and forth. It

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<v Speaker 1>alternates very very very fast, almost as fast as I

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<v Speaker 1>waffle back and forth on what I want to eat

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<v Speaker 1>for lunch. And that means that the magnetic field also alternates.

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<v Speaker 1>The direction of the magnetic field changes. Uh And if

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<v Speaker 1>you think of it in terms of the disc, the

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<v Speaker 1>the coil disc being towards the ground, you can think

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<v Speaker 1>of it as the magnetic field occasionally is pushing against

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<v Speaker 1>or pulling the ground in general. That just think of

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<v Speaker 1>it that way. That's the direction of the magnetic field

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<v Speaker 1>while the electricity is going around and around in a circle,

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth and in the various directions, and that

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<v Speaker 1>alternation is happening hundreds of times per second. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got this magnetic field that's that's just oscillating essentially right

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<v Speaker 1>there against the ground. When it comes to contact with

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<v Speaker 1>something that is metal, well, the metal will start to

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<v Speaker 1>that magnetic field will cause a a weaker magnetic field

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<v Speaker 1>to generate around the metal object. Yeah. Basically induces a

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field in a metal object in the ground. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, uh, um, you drop a screw and when

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to build something outside and you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find it with your metal detector so that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>step on it with a bare foot, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>need a trip to the hospital and a technis shot. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So as soon as you run the coil of the

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<v Speaker 1>field and you're not trying to touch the ground with it,

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<v Speaker 1>you really just need it close to the ground. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it will find the screw. The screw will basically start

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<v Speaker 1>inducing a It will metal detect detector will generate a field,

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<v Speaker 1>and that will cause the screw to generate its own

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<v Speaker 1>a weaker magnetic Yeah, yeah, considerably weaker, but it will

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<v Speaker 1>the metal detector, Uh, the antenna coil and the transmitter

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<v Speaker 1>coil will say, oh, look there's something right there that

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<v Speaker 1>is generating a magnetic field. It's right here. Chris and

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot more interesting things to say about

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<v Speaker 1>metal detectors, but first let's take a quick break to

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<v Speaker 1>thank our sponsor. So, if you have a coil of

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<v Speaker 1>wire and you introduce it into a fluctuating magnetic field,

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<v Speaker 1>that will induce the flow of electricity within the wire.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as electricity and the wire will create generate a

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field, a magnetic field will induce electricity to run

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<v Speaker 1>through wire fluctuating magnetic field. It can't just be just

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<v Speaker 1>a magnetic field. So when the weak magnetic field from

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<v Speaker 1>the mental object hits that that the wire in the

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<v Speaker 1>the the the receiver coil that generates electricity which then

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<v Speaker 1>alerts the control box and that that's what. Then when

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<v Speaker 1>the control box gets an electric signal from the receiver coil,

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<v Speaker 1>that says beep, something is here, stuff, what beeps? Yep? Stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>What beeps? So yeah, that's the basic uh way that

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<v Speaker 1>a VLF metal detector works. It shoots out this magnetic field.

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<v Speaker 1>The polarization is alternating the same as the the flow

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<v Speaker 1>of electricity around the the the transmitter coil, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the receiver coil picks up any magnetic fields generated by

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<v Speaker 1>metal objects that are under the surface of the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty cool and generally it will go more or

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<v Speaker 1>less about a foot. Yeah, you're not gonna find you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth's core. Yea with a metal detect and the

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<v Speaker 1>depth of what the depth of the The effectiveness of

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<v Speaker 1>this metal detector is also going to be dependent on

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<v Speaker 1>other factors, like the nature of the metal object itself,

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<v Speaker 1>because some some metal objects are going to generate a

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<v Speaker 1>stronger magnetic field than others, like iron. Uh. It will

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<v Speaker 1>also depend on the composition of the soil. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>the soil has a lot of elements in it that

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<v Speaker 1>would create a magnetic field, you're gonna get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of interference, yeah, or or an environment where uh that

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<v Speaker 1>that would conduct electricity more readily, Like if you were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to look for something and say saltwater, you might

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<v Speaker 1>have more difficulty than if you were looking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on on a different type of soil. UM. Now there

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<v Speaker 1>is something to uh called phase shifting, Yes, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how it's able to tell what sort of metal, what

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<v Speaker 1>sort of metal it is, UM. And it really has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the the inductance and the resistance of

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<v Speaker 1>the object that you're looking for. Now, the inductance is

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<v Speaker 1>um the objects ability to conduct electricity UM. And if

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<v Speaker 1>it's inductive, it will be able to to conduct electricity easily,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's slow to react to changes in the electrical current. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's resistive, it doesn't conduct electricity is easily, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is quick to react to those those changes. And

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<v Speaker 1>a sophisticated metal detector will be able to tell you, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's I think that's gold or based upon that phase shift,

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<v Speaker 1>because the face shift for a particular element is going

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<v Speaker 1>to remain constant, you know. That's that's why if it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't remain constant, then this wouldn't matter at all because

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't you know, we wouldn't know, you know, It's

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<v Speaker 1>like we just know something is down there, we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>know have any way of guessing what it is. But

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<v Speaker 1>because it's an inherent property of this particular material and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really dependent upon the molecular composition of whatever that

0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.920
<v Speaker 1>material is, UM, then we can make start making guesses

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<v Speaker 1>based on that phase shift. UM. And it's yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>face shift, you know, with it being that difference in

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<v Speaker 1>timing between the transmitters frequency uh and the frequency of

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<v Speaker 1>the magnetic wave that's generated by the object. Um. You know,

0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:06.240
<v Speaker 1>it's these are sort of ranges, right like if it

0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.280
<v Speaker 1>if it's a certain range there, then the male detector

0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.160
<v Speaker 1>can give a best guess as to what that material maybe.

0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.959
<v Speaker 1>So there's never necessarily a guarantee that whatever it is

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<v Speaker 1>you've detected is specifically going to be you know, aluminum

0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.040
<v Speaker 1>versus goal or whatever. But it's a it's an indicator,

0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.520
<v Speaker 1>so that uh, it gives you at least the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, is that you measure risk versus reward,

0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.560
<v Speaker 1>the risk of exhausting yourself digging up useless junk versus

0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the reward of possibly finding something that is of true value.

0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.160
<v Speaker 1>So that's really the whole purpose of this anyway. It's

0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.600
<v Speaker 1>just you know, to kind of tune in on that

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<v Speaker 1>beep and make it more meaningful so that you know,

0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you don't waste your time digging up uh little pull

0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:58.680
<v Speaker 1>tabs from soda cans. Yeah. Now, yeah, if you have

0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.480
<v Speaker 1>a higher inductance, it's going to create a larger phase shift,

0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and lower inductance has a smaller phase shift. Now, Uh,

0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:12.800
<v Speaker 1>metal detectors use a phase demodulator to read this, and uh,

0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:18.040
<v Speaker 1>what that creates is discrimination. Yeah, yeah, I know it's terrible,

0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.680
<v Speaker 1>but oh no, not that. Within metal detectors, it's okay, Yeah,

0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.080
<v Speaker 1>because the thing is a good metal detector will allow

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<v Speaker 1>you to filter out stuff that you don't want because

0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.040
<v Speaker 1>the metal detector, if you said it at a certain

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<v Speaker 1>setting and say, you know, I'm really looking for metals

0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.680
<v Speaker 1>that fall within this range, yeah, perhaps gold. I've actually

0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:43.000
<v Speaker 1>seen uh, metal detector booths and they'll have like this

0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.320
<v Speaker 1>giant jar of class rings that people have lost, which

0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.720
<v Speaker 1>is sort of a you know reminder that you know, hey,

0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you you can find stuff if you just take your

0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.800
<v Speaker 1>metal to of course, people look at you funny, but yeah,

0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that way. That way. Let's say that you're out there

0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.840
<v Speaker 1>looking for something specific. You can you know, meld detectors

0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.440
<v Speaker 1>have settings where you can, uh you can tell the

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<v Speaker 1>meld detector to ignore anything outside of a particular range

0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.960
<v Speaker 1>of frequencies. So in other words, you're saying, you might say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only interested in finding silver. Let's say, so what

0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll do is I'll set my meld detector so that

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<v Speaker 1>it'll it'll only uh activate, it will only alert me

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<v Speaker 1>if something that generates a magnetic frequency similar to that

0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of silver is encountered by the metal detector. So in

0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.640
<v Speaker 1>other words, what you might you might pass over a

0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.080
<v Speaker 1>gold deposit and nothing happens. But as soon as you

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<v Speaker 1>go over that that silver half dollar but ink, and

0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.080
<v Speaker 1>then you dig it up and you like, hey, look

0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm rich. I Meanwhile, the gold guy behind you was like, sucker.

0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Well that's that. That can be called notching. Basically, you

0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.000
<v Speaker 1>set it for a if you imagine a scale, uh

0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's one notch on that scale. Or some

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<v Speaker 1>of the more sophisticated metal detectors will allow you to

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<v Speaker 1>set more than one notch r So that way you

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<v Speaker 1>could look for both silver on gold and you'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>ha ha, Mr smarty gold pants. Um, now that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the VLF. The post induction metal detector a little bit different. Yeah,

0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.679
<v Speaker 1>it uses only a single coil, or it can use

0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.480
<v Speaker 1>multiple coils working at the same time. Yeah, but they're

0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.359
<v Speaker 1>these are these are coils that haven't that don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that shielding. It's not like you have a transmitter coil

0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and then a receiver coil, and all of these coils

0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:33.400
<v Speaker 1>are generating very quick bursts of electricity, which of course

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<v Speaker 1>creates a very sharp magnetic wave. And uh so it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a really quick spike and then what will happen

0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.439
<v Speaker 1>is that magnetic wave if it encounters a metal object again,

0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.680
<v Speaker 1>that metal object will have to will generate its own

0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:50.440
<v Speaker 1>magnetic wave, and the metal detector will pick up on that.

0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's all it's kind of like an echo, right,

0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.040
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like an echo, right, thank you. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about it that way, it's it's like

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<v Speaker 1>sending out a signal and waiting for something to bounce back. Yeah,

0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's very fast. I mean the average is about

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred pulses per second, which is yeah, fairly rapid,

0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty quick, and then you're looking for the reflected pulse. Yes,

0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.480
<v Speaker 1>which is what the the object that is under the

0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:22.680
<v Speaker 1>ground or wherever. Uh, that's the the the pulse that

0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.520
<v Speaker 1>it generates in response to the one that came from

0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the MEL detector. Yeah. Now it uses a these these

0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.760
<v Speaker 1>types of metal detectors use a sampling circuit basically trying

0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to determine whether it's actually metal that you're finding or

0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.320
<v Speaker 1>something else, some other type of magnetic field that is

0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.560
<v Speaker 1>interfering with this signal. And it's basically judging that based

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<v Speaker 1>on the amount of time it takes, uh too to reflect. Um. Yeah,

0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that's another thing that we should point out is that

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<v Speaker 1>MEL detectors can and encounter lots of different kinds of interference.

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<v Speaker 1>Not just the composition of the soil. But let's say

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<v Speaker 1>that you happen to cross over where in elector called

0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:04.400
<v Speaker 1>cable has been buried. That could cause a problem. Your

0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.159
<v Speaker 1>metal detector might think that, hey, look there's gold in

0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.119
<v Speaker 1>them our hills, and truth, what you've hit is the

0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>power line, which you don't want to dig that up. No,

0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.680
<v Speaker 1>it could result in everything from death, which is in

0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.960
<v Speaker 1>the metal detection biz we call a bad thing, or

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:27.080
<v Speaker 1>it could result in or and or it could result

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<v Speaker 1>in an entire region losing electricity. That's also a bad thing.

0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.080
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a very good point. I mean, these these

0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.639
<v Speaker 1>metal detectures are not only incredibly useful, they can be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun. A lot of hobbyists love them.

0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.520
<v Speaker 1>But you do have to be very very careful. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's good to know your the territory. To quote

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.399
<v Speaker 1>a certain musical, but yeah, I mean, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know the territory. You gotta know where you're you're digging

0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.199
<v Speaker 1>because you you really could get hurt. Hey, guys, it's

0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan from the present day, butting in here. I was

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<v Speaker 1>to want to talk to you for a second because

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.280
<v Speaker 1>my my, my AD detector is going off. Looks like

0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:17.200
<v Speaker 1>we've got a sponsor read So we have an integrator

0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:22.320
<v Speaker 1>on these on these pulse induction metal detectives, and that's

0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.480
<v Speaker 1>reading the signals from the sampling circuit and converting them

0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.639
<v Speaker 1>to d C. That's not current, yeah, not the district

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<v Speaker 1>of Columbia. Yeah, not not a comic book publisher either.

0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.919
<v Speaker 1>And that's feeding into the audio circuit and that is

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.520
<v Speaker 1>what beats. Yeah, that's the stuff what beats. The pulse indicator.

0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.359
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, uh, these are very good at detecting metal,

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.159
<v Speaker 1>but they're not very good at discriminating between different types

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of metal. UM. So you're not going to get the

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<v Speaker 1>level of precision that you would get with a VLF

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.600
<v Speaker 1>metal detector. But you know, they also you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>remember that these different types of detectors, while some of

0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.080
<v Speaker 1>them may work in conditions that others do not, there's

0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 1>there's also a price range here as well. Oh yes, yes, now, yeah,

0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the beat frequency oscillator metal detectors can be uh fairly affordable. UM.

0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.960
<v Speaker 1>They also used two coils, but one is in the

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<v Speaker 1>search head and the other one is actually in the

0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.720
<v Speaker 1>control box. UM. They're connected to an oscillator that as

0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:26.359
<v Speaker 1>pulsing UM many many times per second, thousands of times

0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:30.080
<v Speaker 1>per second UM. And and the and the frequency of

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the one that's inside the control box and the one

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that's inside the actual detector are slightly offset. They're not

0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 1>in sync or backstreet voice. Oh you got the other

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 1>one I was gonna do so yeah, well, ironically enough

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<v Speaker 1>to our our current part of the conversation. They create

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves UM, and then the receiver in the control

0:21:55.720 --> 0:22:00.199
<v Speaker 1>box UH picks that up and plays tones to you

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<v Speaker 1>know when you're you're coming into range of metal, right,

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.920
<v Speaker 1>because what's happening is that when the metal encounters this

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:12.959
<v Speaker 1>uh this this this electromagnetic field that is going to

0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 1>alter that radio wave. And so what's really listening for

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.600
<v Speaker 1>our changes in the sound that you're hearing. The change

0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 1>in the sound indicates that you have encountered something that

0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 1>is generating this magnetic field. Because of the one you're generating,

0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.200
<v Speaker 1>they know what they're going through. Um. So yeah, I

0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:36.560
<v Speaker 1>mean detectors killed the radio star. But these these uh,

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.160
<v Speaker 1>like I said, these are a lot cheaper to manufacture.

0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.679
<v Speaker 1>And therefore, if you are uh interested in getting your

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 1>feet wet uh in the metal detector, the thing is

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.880
<v Speaker 1>a hobby, you might consider this, but they're they're far

0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 1>less accurate as in terms of being able to give

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 1>you any kind of discrimination or any really any real control. Um,

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.680
<v Speaker 1>they actually use these are the types of metal detectors

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that you the handheld detectors that they use the airport. Um,

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 1>you know if you walk through the scanner and and

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, that's the type they use in the one.

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 1>Because they don't really need to know whether it's gold

0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 1>or iron. They just want to know what it is

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.479
<v Speaker 1>that you've got now once once, once something beeps, then

0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 1>they can say, all right, well let's see what that is.

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.400
<v Speaker 1>They don't, you know, necessarily need to know immediately. Yeah.

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.960
<v Speaker 1>And the metal detectors, the frames at the airport, they

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 1>work on essentially the same principles we've talked about here.

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.360
<v Speaker 1>They're generating electromagnetic fields, which of course has brought up

0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 1>some concerns with people who may have uh devices like

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 1>medical devices that could react to electromagnetic fields. That's why

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 1>you'll occasionally hear about UH folks like that having to

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:50.080
<v Speaker 1>go through like a pat down security as opposed to

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a metal detector, just because of the concern that it

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 1>could interfere with a medical device. Right right now, with

0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>with all of these um, what you're gonna find depends

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 1>on the type of metal detector, the type of metal

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 1>that you're looking for, about how big it is, the

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of makeup of the soil, um any kind of

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 1>interference from other objects, and the halo, which is basically

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you have a piece of metal in

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the soil, it's going to read a little bit differently,

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.199
<v Speaker 1>it's going to it's going to register is larger than

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:25.600
<v Speaker 1>it actually is. Yeah, it's it's because those interesting things. Yeah,

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>they I could see your halo. I was I was waiting.

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I was trying so hard not to go into that.

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:36.200
<v Speaker 1>We've done so many songs references in this podcast. It's crazy.

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>This might be our like our most intense the funny

0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>thing references per minute other than the first one. None

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of them have been metal. That's true, that's true. So

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.719
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, no, that this is really the halo effect

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>is really an interesting thing. It's just this the fact

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>that certain kinds of metal objects, uh, can actually increase

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.439
<v Speaker 1>the conductivity of the soil that's around on them. And

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the longer that object, those particular objects have been in

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the ground, the greater that conductivity change can be. So

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.120
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, you might be like, hey, there's a there's

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:13.439
<v Speaker 1>a Sherman tank down there or something, and it just

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>turns out that there's another object that's been down there

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and has affected the conductivity of the soil. But it's

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>pretty phenomenal. If you have a Sherman tank buried in

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>your backyard, please give me a call. I'm I'm interested

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.479
<v Speaker 1>to well not anymore. Yeah, I mean, well, you think

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>about it, it it makes sense. If you have let's say,

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 1>let's say the aforementioned screw and it's been there for

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years, it's let's say iron and it's

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>beginning to rust, it's beginning to disintegrate, and you can

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 1>change the conduct conductivity depending on the Again, it also

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>depends rain, and you know, it really depends upon the

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>composition of the soil itself as well. So, yeah, if

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of iron content in the soil, that's

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna cause some issues when you're when you're doing mild section,

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're just you're gonna get a lot of

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>interference and you just have to factor that in. Doesn't

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>mean that the metal detector is going to be useless.

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 1>It just means that you have to kind of adjust

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>your expectations and listen for bigger changes in UH in

0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the soil content UH and not and kind of kind

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>of ignore the noise, separate the signal from the noise. Yeah,

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.879
<v Speaker 1>I would argue that it probably takes some personal discrimination too.

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 1>You really need to get out there in practice if

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you're going to start using doing metal detecting as a hobby,

0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>UM and maybe even trying it with things that you

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>would that you know what they are. You know, some coins,

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a ring, a screw driver, you know something that you hammer, hammers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sherman tanks, Uh, stuff that you do just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, tend to run across in your general area. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you never know what you're gonna find when

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<v Speaker 1>you're out in a field somewhere, and if you can

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<v Speaker 1>identify what they are, you can get a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>what different metals sound like. How get a feel for

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.399
<v Speaker 1>how your metal detector works, how sensitive it is, and

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>how sensitive it is. Um, Yeah, it can be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun to uh you were talking about before,

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<v Speaker 1>like going to uh battlefields course, I imagine probably all

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the major battlefields have been picked pretty clean at this point,

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.199
<v Speaker 1>you would think. But it's it's amazing what you can

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<v Speaker 1>stumble across. It's again, it's one of those things where

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<v Speaker 1>it may be it may require a phenomenal amount of luck,

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<v Speaker 1>sure experience, there's no such thing as luck, but it

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<v Speaker 1>may require a phenomenal a series of coincidences in order

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<v Speaker 1>for you to stumble across the right section to find

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<v Speaker 1>something significant. But really you never know. You just it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing to me how something that you would think, oh, well,

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>this has got so much traffic. There's no way there's

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<v Speaker 1>anything of significance can be found there. And yet like

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 1>five years later you'll find that the find of the injury.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that happen? Yeah, and you don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>around in places that you know might be a value.

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, people find I'm still searching for black beards, treasure,

0:27:57.520 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of stuff out in time. I go to

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the airlinas out in normal places. Maybe you should actually

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>go to the everyday beach instead of Finland. That's probably

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>part of the problem. Yeah, you know, Charleston is so nice.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I just like to know, spend some time there enough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>people even use them for prospecting, you know, and uh

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and for coin shooting. Now, if you do want to

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<v Speaker 1>use your mail detective for prospecting, there are some things

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>you need to remember. First, you have to grow a

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<v Speaker 1>bear of at least a foot in length that needs

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 1>to be gray and grizzly. He's gonne punchy, ladies and gentlemen. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to be able to say things like consarn

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>it with a straight face. And then third, the most

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<v Speaker 1>important thing about being a prospector is you have to

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<v Speaker 1>develop your crazy prospect or dance when you strike gold.

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Very important. Yeah, coin shooting is the practice of looking

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<v Speaker 1>for coins after an outdoor event like a wedding or

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>or like stock you go to you go to some

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<v Speaker 1>big outdoor conference and you take a mail to actor

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<v Speaker 1>and you start looking for change. The thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>if you live in an area where this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff goes on in a regular basis, you could presumably

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<v Speaker 1>pay off that mail detector after you know, a few

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>visits to these these areas, once the concert is over

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>or a game or whatever. Um, you know. And and

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>because we're usually talking about change, you know, some some

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>nickels or dimes or quarters or whatever. But whatever money

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you use, because you know, it's not all just United

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>States folks. Well, if you find euros, you're rich, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think a euro is equivalent to like seventeen dollars

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>at this point. Um, that's a gross exaggeration, but the

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>point being that, you know, yeah, you could conceivably pay

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>off your mail detect there's costs after a few visits,

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you know. Um. But although a lot of people just

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the this as a hobby, like it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a way to get outside. You're enjoying your joining time

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<v Speaker 1>outdoors and you're finding stuff which just brings you a

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<v Speaker 1>level of of of satisfaction, right at least that whole

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>treasure hunting aspect. You know when I when we discover something,

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>there's an element of satisfaction there that you can't put

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>a monetary value on. Who Yeah, yeah, you're just like, hey,

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 1>look I found some money woo, And yeah, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>an enjoyment level there that goes beyond oh and it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth you know, seventy five cents um, although the five

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>cents always nice to have seventy five cents more than

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>you had, but when you showed up at the field.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I keep wondering, actually, why the value of

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<v Speaker 1>the giant jar of class rings. You'd figure they'd cash

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that in, Yeah, I mean for more than just selling

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>metal detectors. Maybe that's more lucrative than selling off some

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of those classroom you have, prying out all the little

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>jewels and melting that stuff down and then just hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you can yourself bar a gold. It's worth

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.800
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