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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to a Friday edition of One Bill's

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Speaker 2: Live here at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. You got

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Speaker 2: the two Chris Is today and Chris Brown Chris Trapasso

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Speaker 2: with you to take you through our final day of

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Speaker 2: coverage here on site. And uh, it's been it's been

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Speaker 2: a pretty eventful week, I will say. And we didn't

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Speaker 2: even get to testing until yesterday. And we'll get into

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Speaker 2: some of those testing elements that we witnessed last night.

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Speaker 3: Some people really lit.

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Speaker 2: It up to a certain extent expected, I would say,

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Speaker 2: we've knew some people were gonna run fast, jump high,

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But there were also a couple

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Speaker 2: of surprises, so we will get into those here in

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Speaker 2: short order. I think the place to start is I

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Speaker 2: wanted to bring this up and I didn't even tell

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Speaker 2: Chris this, but we saw the news item yesterday that

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Speaker 2: the NFL is testing optimal tracking for the line to

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Speaker 2: gain rulings on a possible you know, it's a possible

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Speaker 2: sign that the days of the chain gang are over

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Speaker 2: concerning measuring for a first down. And you don't know this,

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Speaker 2: but on our show, Steve and I have had lengthy

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Speaker 2: discussions because what I think should happen is I think

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Speaker 2: they should get like a running track on the sideline

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Speaker 2: with an electronic eye like you have on your garage

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, you put a chip in the ball that

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Speaker 2: is controlling the electronic guy, and wherever the ball ends up,

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Speaker 2: that's where the eye goes. I don't know how you

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Speaker 2: do that on a sideline without tripping people trying to

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Speaker 2: get on and off the field. I haven't figured that

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Speaker 2: part out yet, but that's kind of in my mind's

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Speaker 2: eye what we should have nowadays, because the fact that

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Speaker 2: you have two old dudes with the down marker and

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Speaker 2: the down pulls and a chain in between them in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four is.

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Speaker 3: Insanity, is it not.

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Speaker 4: It's insanity.

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Speaker 5: And it's the NFL that brings in what ten billion

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Speaker 5: dollars a year whatever, it's a multi billill dollar a

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Speaker 5: year company corporation thing that there's no way that that

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Speaker 5: should be the case. And we know it's a game

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Speaker 5: of inches, and it's to see how often it's an

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Speaker 5: inexact science marking the football, whether it be in the

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Speaker 5: first quarter, and God forbid late in the game that

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Speaker 5: it's oh, hey, hey, where you're this far short or

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Speaker 5: you're really should be getting that first down. It cannot

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Speaker 5: be going forward, how teams or how the refs ultimately

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Speaker 5: spot the football and can really be the difference in

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Speaker 5: a game whether a team has to kick a field

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Speaker 5: goal or they ultimately get stopped on a fourth down.

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Speaker 5: That was like non combine related news that came out

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Speaker 5: this week that I think everyone that I've talked to

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Speaker 5: here in Indy is certainly all for that in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they really didn't kind of lay out what

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Speaker 2: it's gonna look like.

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Speaker 4: They're testing it though.

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Speaker 2: But I'm happy they're testing it because it means a

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Speaker 2: change could be coming.

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Speaker 3: We're only a few years removed from the credit card.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that? In between the football and the

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Speaker 6: What are we doing.

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Speaker 3: It's like a it's like a twelve.

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Speaker 2: Billion dollars a year business, and we're measuring first downs

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Speaker 5: And I know that you're way more of a soccer

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Speaker 5: guy than I am, but I tune into every four

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The last World Cup they had that like technology was

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Speaker 4: If a guy was off sides or not.

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Speaker 5: And that's like in real time, could see if the

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Speaker 5: ball went fully across the goal line.

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Speaker 3: And video assisted replay as well, call it.

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Speaker 4: They watching that.

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Speaker 5: It's like just very much a casual USA soccer fan

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Speaker 5: every four years. I was like, why does the NFL

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Speaker 5: not have this? Why can't the NFL incorporate this? We

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Speaker 5: know there's chips in the players pads already.

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Speaker 2: And you see it in tennis too, they have that

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Speaker 4: It's time the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they got there's gotta be a way to figure

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Speaker 2: And I realize it's a little trickier because you got,

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Speaker 4: But the NFL should be got to be away.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you gotta figure that out.

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Speaker 2: We know that you can bump into just about anybody

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Speaker 2: a week like this, and our producer Jay Harris and

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Speaker 2: myself we uh, we're walking down the street the other

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Speaker 2: night with our production assistant Shannon and we're walking right

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Speaker 2: stake in shape coming down the street is a Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer. It's John Randall, just randomly coming down the street.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Jay's like, did you see that? That

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Speaker 2: was like, what, Like, I wasn't even paying attention.

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Speaker 4: And he probably he probably looks like he can still play, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, he's in pretty good shape.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say he's in game shape, but he for

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Speaker 3: It's like just a Hall of Famer walking by.

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Speaker 2: So then yesterday we're walking to dinner and I turn

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Speaker 3: And I had a hat on. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 2: Hey that's Chris Brown, but I had my hat on,

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, you know, not as easy to recognize

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Speaker 3: And it's JP Lossman.

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Speaker 4: Why is he here?

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Speaker 3: He coaches at Oklahoma.

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Speaker 4: He is at Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's here and you know, doing whatever for

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Speaker 2: the Oklahoma prospects that are here. Came over, shook my hand.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't have been nicer. I was like, Pee, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: We were just you know, talking real quick. He said,

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's an Oklahoma quarterback here, but.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that, you know, maybe he's here to kind of

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Speaker 2: But but yeah, it was kind of cool to see him.

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Speaker 3: Then we're coming out of dinner and Stephen.

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Speaker 5: Houshy I was gonna say, I saw him last night

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Speaker 3: I was like, what Housh, Money's here. This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: So it was like we were like in the Twilight

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Speaker 3: But he's doing well, and you know, I know.

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Speaker 2: He caught up with all the Bills players because he

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you just don't know who you're gonna run

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Speaker 5: And Sean Alexander, the former Seahawks running back at the airport.

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Speaker 5: I was like trying to put together how and why

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Speaker 4: But that was one that just kind of shocks me.

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Speaker 5: It kind of reminded me right when I got the

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Speaker 5: plane here in India, was like, Oh, there's Sean Alexander,

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Speaker 5: the Seahawks in Indy. And obviously you get every single

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Speaker 5: GM across the bar. So it's a really great networking event.

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Speaker 5: It's just really the NFL all coming together, maybe even

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Speaker 5: more so than the Super Bowl because this is this

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Speaker 5: to ultimately make picks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was We've seen some news come out the

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Speaker 2: last couple of days in terms of quarterbacks, who aren't

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Speaker 2: that's in most cases by choice. Cooper de Gene, for example,

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Speaker 2: yesterday was a guy who's gonna test it hopefully in April.

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Speaker 2: Not I don't even know if he's gonna be able

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Speaker 2: to test it his pro day coming off that leg fracture,

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Speaker 2: fibula fracture, So he's not gonna run here as the

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Speaker 2: DBS get on the field today. They are doing testing

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Speaker 2: a second. But Alabama corner kool A McKinstry, in the

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Speaker 2: medical exam, it was discovered he's got a Jones fracture

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not good. You're right. Remember Sammy Watkins had

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Speaker 2: So that's unfortunate for him, and I would just say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, he says he's not gonna get it fixed

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Speaker 3: Then and then get it fixed.

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Speaker 2: But the they're still saying that the prognosis indicates that

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Speaker 2: he will still be able to be.

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Speaker 3: Ready by training camp.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that's the case, because you know, you know those

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Speaker 2: Jones fractures they cause probably linger and yeah, and there's

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Speaker 2: there's a high rate and maybe modern medicine has fixed

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Speaker 2: There's a high rate of recurrence with Jones fractures, especially

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Speaker 2: But that's just got to be crappy news, Like you're

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Speaker 3: A Jones fracture on your foot, like what Like he

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Speaker 3: don't even know.

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Speaker 5: That's insane too, because Koolid mckinstrey's film is really good.

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Speaker 5: Like he came into this past season as the number

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Speaker 5: one guy at Alabama. I think his teammate Terry and

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Speaker 5: Arnold is probably gonna be picked earlier than him.

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Speaker 4: He had a breakout season.

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Speaker 5: He's a little more fluid, but it's not like kool

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Speaker 5: Aid McKinstry had this disastrous season. That's going to drop

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Speaker 5: him to the third or the fourth round. Now we

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Speaker 5: always hear that a lot of the teams will say

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Speaker 5: like the medical portion is the most important to pick

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Speaker 5: an awesome twenty twenty two and was still really good

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Speaker 5: for the Alabama Crimson tit playing for a portion of

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Speaker 2: You wonder if that changes the evaluation a little bit,

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Speaker 2: like was he hampered by that might be even better?

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Speaker 3: It is goes On runs a four four to three.

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Speaker 2: I would I would argue he's a better coverage prospect

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Speaker 3: He had.

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Speaker 2: He has some sick interceptions on his highlight reel, like

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Speaker 3: And that's not where Cooper or Wilson's gonna live.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna probably be off the board bottom round one,

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Speaker 3: He's got it.

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Speaker 2: And if you watch his tape you'll understand why, because

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Speaker 2: when I was watching his tape. He also, uh, vertical

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Speaker 3: Those two guys at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're gonna go one two in the draft.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And like you said, not a major surprise because

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Speaker 5: recent mock. I think Chop Robinson, with his performance last night,

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Speaker 4: He's going to be gone before that.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to go earlier.

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Speaker 5: Because he tested really awesomely just in terms of the explosiveness.

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Speaker 5: name for me Liatu Lato and we can talk to

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Speaker 5: Jim about this because he was a senior Bowl guy.

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Speaker 5: More of the Bills mold at the edge rusher spot

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Speaker 5: like six ' four long, two fifty nine to fifty

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Speaker 5: to the Gabe Davis Brandon bean like wanting him to

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Speaker 5: what he does with his hands, he's more refined, he's

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Speaker 5: more of a counter game, counter move, swim move, swipe move, spin,

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Speaker 4: Uh, and it felt like he was going to test

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Speaker 5: I think had he had the workout of Chop, Robinson

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Speaker 4: After his workout a little bit disappointing.

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Speaker 2: I think Darius Robinson is an interesting player too, who

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Speaker 2: wasn't expected to light it up from a speed perspective,

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Speaker 2: I think he checked some boxes six five, two eighty five.

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Speaker 3: You know, thirty four and a half inch arms, those

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna you're gonna reach the tackle before

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Speaker 3: But his wingspan is almost eighty four and a half inches.

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Speaker 2: Ten and five eighths inch hands, which is the measurement

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Speaker 3: That is insane.

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Speaker 2: Think about getting two hundred and eighty five pounds off

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Speaker 5: He's a stroke dude on film and his workout overall,

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Speaker 4: It's more impressed. It's very impressive.

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Speaker 5: If you're looking at Darius Robinson as an interior guy

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Speaker 5: probably want him on the interior. And the Bills certainly

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Speaker 4: He's put together, does not have a lot of fat

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Speaker 2: No, pretty good as you As you're saying that, I

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Speaker 3: Tech yep, you know, and just kill it in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, you need long, You need length when you're

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Speaker 2: five tech for them. And they need line help on

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Speaker 3: Of the ball.

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Speaker 5: I think two with him because the vertical was good,

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Speaker 5: although they're not going to run obviously forty yards straight

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Speaker 5: just attacking on film, Darius Robinson is a good pass

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Speaker 5: rusher on the inside. He uses that length that you

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Speaker 5: rushers that at Oliver types, and if they really are

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Speaker 4: To late twenties when the Bills go on the clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we mentioned, Jared Verse absolutely blew it up

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Speaker 2: where to come down on him because, oh you know what,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So thirty five inch vertical the three cone was

443
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Speaker 2: not good for him.

444
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Speaker 3: No, seven to three one, that's not That's.

445
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Speaker 4: Not a good indicator of success.

446
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: You want to know who tested really well? Whose tape

447
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 2: didn't really overwhelm me? Was the Western Michigan kid Marshawn Neeland.

448
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 2: Like his tape, I was like.

449
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Speaker 4: I didn't see it on film either.

450
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't like he tested out of the

451
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 3: gym though.

452
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at this four seven five forty at

453
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Speaker 2: two hundred or what is he sixty seven pounds that's

454
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Speaker 2: seven four seven five one six six ten yards split.

455
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Speaker 3: That's good. Thirty five and a half inch vertical seven

456
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Speaker 3: oh two to.

457
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Speaker 5: Three cone you want to be so for the three

458
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Speaker 5: cone for edge rushers, it you want to be around

459
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Speaker 5: or probably under seven seconds. If you're in the two

460
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Speaker 5: sixties and you're close to that seven second threshold. That's

461
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 5: the magic number.

462
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Speaker 3: And then his shuttle's really good.

463
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Speaker 5: Four one eight, four one eight if you're under rate,

464
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Speaker 5: if you're under four to two or four to three

465
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Speaker 5: in the short shuttle.

466
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Speaker 4: Uh, And there's been a lot of sixty seven.

467
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 5: That's a big that's that's the the Bills type of

468
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 5: bigger outside edge rusher that they seemingly like, you want

469
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 5: to be under four to three in the short shuttle

470
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 5: and around very close to or under seven seconds because

471
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Speaker 5: the three cone is predictive, like that is a drill

472
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 5: where they need to run around. It's ready to direct, redirect,

473
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,959
Speaker 5: and and it translates to the game because you need

474
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Speaker 5: to be able to bend in, dip to get around

475
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 5: offensive tackles in the NFL. So Jared vers good explosion

476
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 5: in his workout and that shows on film. Speed to

477
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Speaker 5: power guy with super product after transferring from Sunny Albany

478
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 5: to Florida State by the way, Yeah, but the three

479
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 5: cone four three to one, he's not that type of

480
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 5: player that's gonna win like von Miller around the corner.

481
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

482
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: And then Dallas Turner, who was expected to test well,

483
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: did I'm watching him run the forty. He runs a

484
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: four to four six, and it looked like he was

485
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 2: just hanging out. May even look like he was straining,

486
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: kind of coasted through the end line there and then

487
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Speaker 2: verts forty and a half.

488
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Speaker 4: There's defense today.

489
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 5: It's insane, like, how is this possible that edge rushers

490
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 5: are jumping as high as receivers in corners.

491
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Speaker 2: He didn't do everything, but he didn't need to after that, No,

492
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 2: and then he broad jumped, you know, ten feet seven inches,

493
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Speaker 2: So he's.

494
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Speaker 5: Gonna probably be the first edge rusher off the board

495
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 5: the degree. Early in his career, he did play right away.

496
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 5: They were talking about this on the broadcast, that he

497
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 5: played opposite Will Anderson immediately. The first two years I

498
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 5: thought at Alabama were not great. Will Anderson took off

499
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 5: immediately and looked like a future top five pick. Like

500
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 5: he ultimately was winning defensive rookie year in Houston. But

501
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 5: last season, Dallas Turner, without Will Anderson there and all

502
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 5: the attention on him, really took off.

503
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 4: You look at his pressures, the sacks went up.

504
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 5: Everything was better from Dallas Turner, and like you're saying,

505
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 5: completely aced his combined workout.

506
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Speaker 2: Yah. Another guy that had a great test was Miles

507
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: Cole six two seventy eight ran a four to six

508
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: seven one six ' five ten yard split, thirty five

509
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: inch vert in a ten.

510
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: Foot broad jump. Uh. He he did well for himself.

511
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: And then this other kid who's kind of a mystery

512
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: for me, the Houston Christian kid Jaylyx Hunt pass rusher

513
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: off the edge, but they used him in a lot

514
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: of different ways there. I saw him covering slot receivers.

515
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: It was almost like he was just the best, like yeah,

516
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Speaker 2: which I which I get at the level of football

517
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: like that, but he was at the Senior Bowl. So

518
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: I want to ask Jim Naggy about him as well,

519
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: because he's kind of a mystery player to me. And

520
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: I think he's just like this ball of moldible clay.

521
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 2: I think he's a guy you if you like him,

522
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: you have to be willing to invest in him, because

523
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of the instincts there. I

524
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: think that the school Houston Christian kind of almost didn't

525
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 2: know what to do with him because he was, to

526
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: your point, like probably the best athlete on their defense.

527
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: So they're like, well he can do that, Let's have

528
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: him cover a slide receiver. Well, let's have him rushed

529
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: the passer. Oh, let's have him dropping.

530
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: And I think and we saw this with Jason Peters

531
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: twelve years ago at the University of Arkansas, fifteen twenty

532
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: years ago at the University of Arkansas.

533
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost twenty years ago. He's the five draft

534
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: and he won. Yeah.

535
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: Well, he played D line, then they moved him to

536
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: O line, and then he played tight end to end

537
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 2: his career at Arkansas, and nobody knew what he was

538
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: and he couldn't he couldn't refine his game because he

539
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: never had a home. And then the Bills finally say

540
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: you're an offensive tackle, and you know he's gonna be

541
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: on a rocket ship to the Hall of Fame.

542
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Speaker 3: I kind of wonder, is he somebody like that.

543
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's that gifted, but there are some

544
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: some physical traits there that you can see. They just

545
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: haven't been implemented to a position, and he hasn't gotten

546
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: the coaching that I think he needed to develop into

547
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: something more than just this mouldable piece of play. So

548
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Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see what Jim Naggy has to

549
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: say about it.

550
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Speaker 5: And that's typically the case with the if you're a

551
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: small school guy from someone like Houston or Houston Chris Christian. Yeah,

552
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 5: if you're here at the combine, and that's probably what

553
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 5: you are. You're probably like the scouts see you on

554
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 5: film or see you in person and go, WHOA, that's

555
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Speaker 5: an NFL caliber athlete.

556
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Speaker 4: And in most cases.

557
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 5: They're not the most refined player yet or they might

558
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: not even have a positional home.

559
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Speaker 4: So kind of makes sense for Hunt.

560
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got great numbers, just raw numbers. I

561
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: mean he's almost sixty four two fifty two, he's got

562
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: almost thirty four and a half inch arms, wingspan of

563
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: almost eighty three inches four six four forty one point

564
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Speaker 2: six ten yards split at two hundred and fifty two

565
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: pounds and thirty seven and a half inch vert Like

566
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: he hit all the testing numbers. So now it's like,

567
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: all right, what kind of development are we looking at?

568
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: That's the question for sure. We got to take a

569
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Speaker 2: break here. Uh And it is obl fan mail bag Friday.

570
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 2: I failed to mention that. So if you have any

571
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 2: questions about the draft, I mean, we've got Chris here

572
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: from cbssports dot com. We're gonna have Jim Naggy on

573
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Speaker 2: the show in just a second, the executive director of

574
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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl.

575
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Speaker 3: And hour number two we're gonna have Greg co Sel too,

576
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Speaker 3: So we take a break here.

577
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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll have the executive director from

578
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Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, Jim Naggy, up next. On One Bill's Live,

579
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Speaker 2: presented by Cold of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All

580
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: right back here on One Bill's Live at the NFL

581
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Speaker 2: Scouting Combine here on a Friday, Chris Brown, Chris Drapasso

582
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Speaker 2: with you, and please to be joined now by the

583
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Speaker 2: executive director of the Senior Bowl, Jim Naggy, joining us

584
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Speaker 2: here to kind of bounce some aspects off of him

585
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: that he's had a little bit closer look at than

586
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: the likes of us. And Bill's fans are pretty convinced

587
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: that Gabe Davis is going to sign some big money

588
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: deal in free agency and be out the door, knowing

589
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: the Bill's cap issues, they're fifty million over, probably can't

590
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: afford to re sign a guy like that, and so

591
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: we begin again to look for the next guy. And

592
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: it's a good receiver class, as you well know, and

593
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: you had a handful of him at the Senior Bowl,

594
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: and I kind of want to rifle through these guys

595
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: just for your take on them. So I'll just start

596
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: with tes Walker and we'll go from there, like just

597
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: kind of a thumbnail sketch of what you should expect

598
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: from him.

599
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Speaker 7: Sure, No, first of all, thanks for having Oh yes,

600
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 7: appreciate it.

601
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I hope Tedz has a good week done here

602
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 8: because inmobile, like, he was our second fastest player on

603
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 8: the Zebra technology stuff that the Bills have at their facility.

604
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 8: So it's apples dapples for the league. So he got

605
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 8: opened deep, I mean got open. He got open all week.

606
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 8: He struggled finishing on the football. You didn't see that

607
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 8: on his college tape, So I hope the week kind

608
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 8: of snowballed on him.

609
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Speaker 7: But he's a true deep threat. He's very smooth.

610
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 8: Corners really underestimate him because he's coming off the line.

611
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 8: He trills me, he doesn't look like he's he's by you.

612
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 8: So yeah, he's a guy that you know coming into

613
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 8: our week. Daniel Jeremiah. It pumped him up on our

614
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 8: we do a we do a roster reveal show on

615
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 8: the NFL Network and and DJ talked about him maybe

616
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 8: being a first round pick, and then he struggled catching

617
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 8: the ball.

618
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Speaker 7: So but yeah, he's he's. Uh, he's been through a

619
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Speaker 7: lot in his life.

620
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Speaker 8: If you google, if you google Tess Walker and what

621
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Speaker 8: he's been through, he's been through a lot. I think

622
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 8: the teams are going to like that. He's he's really persevered.

623
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Speaker 8: But he's one of the best deep threats in this draft.

624
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Speaker 3: You call him more of a straight line guy or no, no,

625
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: he's not.

626
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Speaker 8: And that's a good question because a lot of those guys,

627
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 8: when you call him home run threats and threats, they

628
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 8: are they're just kind of this. No he's he's, he's

629
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Speaker 8: got he's got a little bit of this.

630
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Speaker 7: He can run some routes.

631
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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm the biggest fan.

632
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: I'm I'm the conductor of the Javon Baker.

633
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, if the Bills want to pick him

634
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 5: at twenty eight, go ahead and do it. Talk about

635
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: the week that he had in Mobile, which I pretty

636
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 5: sure it was pretty good, but you can get into

637
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 5: more of the intricacies of what happened there. And then

638
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: just again that that thumbnail sketch of what type of

639
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: player he is transferring from Alabama to UCF And then

640
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 5: culminating with that week Inmobile.

641
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Speaker 7: Yeah, think about that.

642
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 8: That room he was in in Tuscaloosa with you know,

643
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 8: Waddle and Judy and Rugs and all those guys. So

644
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 8: he was a bit of a difficult evol for me

645
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 8: because sometimes along the way, like you hear things and

646
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 8: they stick in your.

647
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 7: Head and you gotta fight it. So I was at

648
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 7: an Auburn.

649
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 8: Game this fall. My son actually goes to school at Auburn.

650
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 8: So I'm in the press box and I'm talking to

651
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 8: a group of scouts about guys that'd seen it. I

652
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 8: was asking about the smaller schools in Florida, Like I've

653
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 8: seen all the Florida tape, I've seen Miami, I've seen

654
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Speaker 8: Florida State.

655
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Speaker 7: But I'm like, is there anyone at USF, Is there

656
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Speaker 7: anyone U s F? Is there anyone at fau F?

657
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Speaker 8: I U and a couple of guys brought up Baker

658
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 8: and they're like, I just don't think he can run,

659
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Speaker 8: And so like that stuck in the back of my mind,

660
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 8: and I'm watching the table. I'm like, I don't see that,

661
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 8: you know, I don't see that run. And you talk

662
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 8: about route running with this guy can run routes. Now,

663
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 8: I mean he can snap off routes, he's got really

664
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 8: cool ball skills and he can run out, So he's

665
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 8: a he's a it's cool to see him kind of

666
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 8: a sense he was really I'm just being honest, like

667
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 8: he was down the line for us. I don't think

668
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 8: we added Baker until the beginning of January. Like he

669
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 8: wasn't one of those invites that went on in November,

670
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 8: and not because I had that speed question.

671
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 7: I think the scouts, the teams just didn't seem that

672
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 7: high on him.

673
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: I just wanted to see for yourself.

674
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 8: So now I'm really glad that he came down and

675
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 8: had a good week, and because the guys like you,

676
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 8: he's building traction and and uh and I had I've

677
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 8: had a number of NFL teams like I'm really glad

678
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 8: you brought him because we saw him against really good,

679
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 8: really good group of corners and he got open all week.

680
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 7: So uh, yeah, he's a good one. He's kind of

681
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 7: a sleeper.

682
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

683
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: Xavier Legett, I know he comes to the Senior Bowl

684
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: and he only measures six to one and people are like, oh,

685
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: he's not as tall as I thought he was. But

686
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: I don't know that that matters if you watch his

687
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: tape because he is dynamic. There are a lot of

688
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: people that think if he tests well here and he's

689
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: expected to that he could start to creep up into

690
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: the bottom of round one where the Bills are sitting.

691
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: Just your thoughts on him and what you feel he is.

692
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 8: Those people that thought he was like six three or

693
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 8: six four don't follow me on Twitter because I put

694
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 8: it out there in the spring. I mean he was

695
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 8: six oh oh seven. He's not even six ' one.

696
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 8: But he plays big, which is important. That's way I'd

697
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 8: rather have a six to one guy that plays big

698
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 8: than a six to three guy that doesn't. He's one

699
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 8: of the best stories in the draft. I mean this

700
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 8: guy again talking about off the radar. When we did

701
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 8: South Carolina over the summer, I didn't even watch this guy.

702
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 8: And then he comes out he had one hundred and

703
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 8: I'm doing this off time I had. I think he

704
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 8: had one hundred and like sixty seven yards as a.

705
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 7: Junior in twenty twenty two total.

706
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 8: And then he goes out Week one against North Carolina

707
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 8: has one hundred and seventy eight yards in the first game.

708
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 7: And I'm like Okay, now we got something.

709
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 8: He'll watch the tape, and he was fast and he

710
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 8: was making contested catches. This guy, he's run down on

711
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 8: kickoff team, he's run down on punt team, he's returned.

712
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 7: Kicks, he does the dirty work.

713
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 8: So he's got like this cool background that all the

714
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 8: teams are gonna like from his. And then he has

715
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 8: his breakout year this year, and I think he is

716
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 8: gonna test well. I mean, if you're just going off

717
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 8: the tape, I think he could run it. I think

718
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 8: he could touch in the high four threes. And I

719
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 8: hope he and I hope he does because he there's

720
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 8: weight that would be impressive. Yeah, two hundred and twenty

721
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 8: seven pounds or twenty five whatever he weighed in here.

722
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 8: I mean there's you've seen them. He pulls away from people.

723
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 8: That's what I was gonna ask he from.

724
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: That was gonna be my follow up because you see

725
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: it and he's just you don't expect a guy that's

726
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: that thickly built to be pulling away from like thin

727
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: frame DB's who look like track guys in the SEC

728
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: and then he does it, and it's just like, oh

729
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: my god, what's this guy gonna run like, I'm really

730
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: intrigued to see what his forty times gonna because if

731
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: he does what you think he's gonna do, he is

732
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: gonna be in the bottom of the first round.

733
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 7: And I'll say this too about Xavier Leggatt.

734
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 8: I really appreciate guys that come to Mobile that aren't

735
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 8: one hundred percent and still want to go through the week.

736
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 8: And you you go back and watch our practice tap.

737
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 8: He had a lower leg wrap on. I forget which

738
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 8: leg it was, but he wasn't one hundred percent. He

739
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 8: went out there and and went through the week and

740
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 8: practiced every day. You know, Jackson Powers Johnson the center

741
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 8: from from Oregon to the same thing. He came in

742
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 8: with a hamstring injury and popped it at the end

743
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 8: of the second day. But no, I really think Leggott

744
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 8: is a guy, you know, in terms of like height, weight,

745
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 8: speeding this draft that can also run routes. I mean,

746
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 8: I've posted a clip on Twitter the other day of

747
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 8: this guy like sinking at the top of a route,

748
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 8: like breaking off a route. I mean, there are not

749
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 8: too many guys his size that can do that. So

750
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 8: he would be you know, late one hopefully for him.

751
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 8: But I don't think he's getting out.

752
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: Of the top fifty picks, right.

753
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 5: Do you think there's any concern with him that there

754
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 5: was only that one year of high level production? Was

755
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 5: that guys in front of him? Was there any backstory

756
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 5: to why that happened? Because on film, like you're saying

757
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 5: this year, it's like, how did this guy only have

758
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty seven yards in twenty twenty two?

759
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 8: Right now, There's been other good receivers at South Carolina.

760
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 8: But I think, you know, dig it into it a

761
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 8: little bit. He was just a little slow to mature,

762
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 8: and that happens with these guys, right like there was

763
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 8: there wasn't any off the field is shoes. There's no

764
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 8: character concerns like some guys, just you know, the work

765
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 8: ethic clicks and talking to the guys Shane Biemer and

766
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 8: those guys this year. His work ethic from the end

767
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 8: of last season, the work he put in to the

768
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 8: start of this season, that's what it was all about.

769
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 7: This guy worked his.

770
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 8: Tail off and now that you know, now that's who

771
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 8: he is. He saw the results too. Like you put

772
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 8: in the work, you see the results. Okay, this is

773
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 8: why I'm the player I am now he's gonna keep working.

774
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: So in a in a draft class that has its

775
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: fair share of X true X receivers, Ladd McConkie is

776
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: a guy that can line up outside. He's not an X,

777
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: but it almost seems like he's tailor made skill set

778
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: wise for slot play. Would you agree he's gonna.

779
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 8: He's gonna be really good in there, and he can

780
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 8: play outside because he can run. You know a lot

781
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 8: of times you just stick guys inside because you know

782
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 8: they can't get vertical. Ladd was just going back to

783
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 8: the summer when we did the junior tape. Roma Doonsy

784
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 8: was our top rated senior wide receiver runner board and

785
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 8: Lad was two and and so, No, Lad's a guy

786
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 8: that I've really like.

787
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 7: Because he's quick and fast.

788
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 8: He can run routes, he can separate, he can play

789
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 8: inside outside, he can return punts. Like I know, he

790
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 8: was dinged up a little bit this year, but we

791
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 8: all saw what that George offense was like when he's

792
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 8: full go. I mean, this guy's read, this guy's ready

793
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 8: to go. We've seen we like last year had Pukinnakua

794
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 8: from the Senior Bowl came in right away and Tank

795
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 8: Dell and Jayden Reid. We had a lot of guys

796
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 8: from last year's receiver group like to me Lad. If

797
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 8: you draft Lad like he's on the field next year

798
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 8: and he's catching sixty seventy eighty balls for it.

799
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: Do you think he's gonna test well enough to be

800
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 5: late one early too? Because I think he's a good

801
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: athlete on film. I don't think he's great route runner

802
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 5: with great hands, but limited athlete. I feel like he

803
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 5: could ultimately test his way into the back portion of

804
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 5: the first round.

805
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 7: I agree, Yeah, I think he's explosive.

806
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 8: It would not surprise me at all if he gets

807
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 8: into the you know, four three seven, four three eight. Again,

808
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 8: the vertical speed showed up more on twenty twenty two tape.

809
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 8: You saw him playing outside more and in getting vertically.

810
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 8: I don't know that was because of the injury this

811
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 8: year that they didn't really let him open up as much.

812
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 7: But he can go, he can get down the field.

813
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 8: That was the only knockoff his junior tape is that

814
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 8: he got vertical and and he didn't finish on a few.

815
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 8: He dropped some deep balls that he could have converted

816
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 8: for Stetson Bennett. But yeah, I would be more surprised

817
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 8: if he ran high four fourth than if he ran

818
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 8: high fourth three.

819
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I think.

820
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 8: He's gonna you know, if he's in the if he's

821
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 8: a I would expect low four four, but uh, high

822
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 8: four three is possible.

823
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

824
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: If you needed a poster child for what the Senior

825
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: Bowl does for people, it might be Malachi Corley converted

826
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: running back. Right. So, I mean, this guy, he comes

827
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: down there and puts together a pretty nice week. I know,

828
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: it's a deep receiver class, which might probably push him

829
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: down the board, maybe further than he would in a

830
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: in a lighter class. Do you do you kind of

831
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: like the week that he was able to put together there.

832
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, he and lad were the two receivers that

833
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 8: were voted practice player of the Week on their side,

834
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 8: and again that's voted on by the other team's defensive backs.

835
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 8: So to me, that's meaningful, you know, That's That's the

836
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 8: one thing when I got to the Senior Bowl. That's

837
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 8: one of the tweaks that I made was, you know,

838
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 8: I don't I don't we don't need scouts and myself

839
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 8: voting on the players of the week. I want to

840
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 8: know from the guys that they to me. That's more

841
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 8: meaningful if you're a player.

842
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, Corley's a guy that because it's a group.

843
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 8: It's weird to say group of five players are small

844
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 8: school players now, but because.

845
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 7: Of the portal, that's basically what they are. Like, we

846
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 7: don't we didn't.

847
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 8: I think we were averaging you know, ten eleven, twelve

848
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 8: guys that were FCS Division two, Division three my first

849
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 8: four or five years at the Senior Bowl. Now I

850
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 8: think we're down to maybe five this year, So that

851
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 8: number is really so a group of five player.

852
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 7: Yes, he did he play up in a couple of games.

853
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 8: He did, but to see him against the dB crew

854
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 8: that we had in Mobile this year helped a lot.

855
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 8: And then to see him run routes that we didn't

856
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 8: we didn't see, you know, a lot of routes run

857
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 8: in that Western Kentucky offense. But the one thing that

858
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 8: carries over, you know, from college tape to prote if

859
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 8: you can, if you can do things with the ball

860
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 8: in your hands, which Corley can. There's been a lot

861
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 8: of Deebo Samuel comparisons. I hate that because that's it's

862
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 8: putting a lot on Malecui Corley to call him Deebo Samuel,

863
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 8: but he is really aggressive and strong and powerful with

864
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 8: the ball in his hands. So yeah, I think again,

865
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 8: I think he'll go somewhere in round two.

866
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, switching gears of the defensive side, we saw Braden

867
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: Fisk from Florida State. He's continue that rise he started

868
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: in Mobile, had a great week there.

869
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 4: Give us your thoughts.

870
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 5: On him, and I'll go super specific with this really

871
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 5: short arms but on film, I didn't really see that

872
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 5: creating a lot of an issue.

873
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 4: And then last night.

874
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 5: Test through the roof, do you see him as someone

875
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 5: as a solidified Day two guy that Bills do need

876
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 5: some help next to add Aliver on that defensive line.

877
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, certainly day two.

878
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 8: I think coming into Senior Bowl, just based off the

879
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 8: feedback we got in the fall when we and we

880
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 8: did invite Brayden right out of the shoot. He was

881
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 8: one of my favorite guys on tape this year. But

882
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 8: I still thought like fourth round is where he was

883
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 8: probably gonna go. And then after Mobile, definitely Day two

884
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 8: and after yesterday, I mean, I don't think he gets

885
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 8: out of the second round. Maybe, but I totally agree

886
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 8: on the arm like thing. You don't see that show up.

887
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 8: He's so active with his hands, and he's so quick

888
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 8: off the ball. If you go back over the Senior

889
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 8: Bowl practice tape and watch every rep this guy takes

890
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 8: in like team periods, he's the first one in the

891
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 8: in in the game. He's the first round off the

892
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 8: ball every single snap. It's unbelievable. So he gets on you,

893
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 8: he gets on you quick, and he's so good.

894
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 7: With his hands. It's just a fun story, man.

895
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 8: I mean the Western Michigan kid that he's just got

896
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 8: a great attitude. And I don't need to tell the

897
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 8: whole story, but he's we flipped him on game day.

898
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 8: He practiced all week with the American team. We have

899
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 8: some roster attrician. On Saturday morning, the d line coach

900
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 8: for the national team's freaking out.

901
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 7: He doesn't have enough inside guys. I called Braiden up.

902
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 8: I'm like, hey, dude, maybe done by the escalators here

903
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 8: in twenty minutes, I got to talk to you about something.

904
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 8: And the reason I picked him for that was because

905
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 8: I knew he wouldn't bat an eye.

906
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 7: I mean some of the other guys I looked and

907
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 7: like that. That's hard for a player. You go through

908
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 7: a week with.

909
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 8: A bunch of teammates and he's like, he's like, coach,

910
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 8: I don't care, I just want to play. So again,

911
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 8: you're talking about like the right makeup, the right practice habits,

912
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 8: you know, elite tester. I mean what he did yesterday

913
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 8: was ridiculous. And then you put on the tape and

914
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 8: he's super disruptive. I mean so, and it doesn't for

915
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 8: the for the Bills fans that want to know about

916
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 8: Braden Fisk and maybe they're pulling him up like sack production,

917
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 8: TfL production. All I'm gonna say is like this guy

918
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 8: is the guy that blows stuff off and other people

919
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 8: clean up for him, and he's the disruptor.

920
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: When I watched his get off, the first person I

921
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: thought of and maybe this is my Buffalo myopia, but

922
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, there's a little Williams in there,

923
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: taller but yes, yes, but like the get off because

924
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: Kyle's always like half a beat ahead of everybody, and

925
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: he is too. This guy's an enigma for me. So

926
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: I need your help, Jylex Hunt Houston Christian tests great yesterday,

927
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: would you consider And I kind of see him like

928
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: this because I was watching his tape and I'm trying

929
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: to get a handle on him. He looks like a

930
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: raw guy that's like this mouldable piece of clay.

931
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 3: So if you're a.

932
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: Team that's gonna draft him, you have to invest time

933
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: in him for sure.

934
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, No, he's He's again.

935
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 8: I get caught up in the backstory of the player

936
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 8: sometimes because I think it helps paint a picture. But

937
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 8: this guy was in the this guy was in the

938
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 8: IVY League a few years ago playing safety, and now

939
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 8: he goes to us to he's used and he just

940
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 8: kept growing and growing, and he goes to Houston Christian's

941
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 8: playing outside linebacker. A couple of things on Jayly, like, yeah,

942
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 8: we saw the testing yesterday that was at the top

943
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 8: of everything expect really explosive. The thing that stood out

944
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: during Senior Bowl week was the physicality set in the

945
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 8: edge in some of the run periods.

946
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 7: And this dude, is you worry about that? Okay?

947
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 8: Ivy League kid, dB, Like how physical is this guy

948
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 8: gonna be at the prime of attack? And he was

949
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 8: cracking people down in Mobile So he's got that to

950
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 8: him and then he got this athlete, So yes, are

951
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 8: you gonna Are you picking him for twenty twenty four season?

952
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 7: Probably not. He'll probably be a really good special teams player,

953
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 7: but you're.

954
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 8: Drafting for twenty five, twenty six and see what you

955
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 8: can hit on. But again, competitor, made of the right stuff, confident.

956
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 8: Sometimes we bring small school players to the Senior Bowl,

957
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 8: they're a little overwhelmed. This dude's wired right, So I'm

958
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 8: excited to see what he's gonna be in two or

959
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 8: three years.

960
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 5: Last one for me, I have to ask you about

961
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 5: Cameron Kinchins. The Bills hired Jamila Dae from the University

962
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 5: of Miami. Guy, so tell me about Like going into

963
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 5: this last season, Like watching Kinchin's junior film, I was like,

964
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 5: this is a first round.

965
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 7: Guy all the way.

966
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: Twenty twenty three was still good. The production was still there,

967
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 5: maybe not quite as good. Do you still think he

968
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 5: is like a I don't want to say elite level,

969
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 5: like top sixteen, top ten overall pick.

970
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 4: But how do you view him after his twenty twenty

971
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: three season.

972
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 8: I just don't think a lot of safety is going

973
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 8: the first round. That's true, you know, like it's just

974
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 8: a position teams like to wait on. I do think

975
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 8: he goes somewhere in Day two. I think he's the starter.

976
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 8: Most importantly, I mean, I always defer back to working

977
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 8: for a team, and you can say what you want

978
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 8: about these guys, describe him, talk about him and at nauseum,

979
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 8: but what are they going to be? I think Kinchins

980
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 8: is a starter and he can run, he's he's interchangeable,

981
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 8: he's got some free he's got some strong to a

982
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 8: skill set.

983
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 7: So he's a cool player that way.

984
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 8: And again, just another guy like we could bring juniors

985
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 8: to the game this year and he's been a guy

986
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 8: that's been projected high and he didn't bat an eye.

987
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 8: He wanted to come compete.

988
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: Jim, thanks for the time, as always, we appreciate it.

989
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: It's kind of cool to get like some of the

990
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: behind the scenes stuff, the escalator story, that's fantastic.

991
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: Like who's gonna know that?

992
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: I mean, but that's kind of the same stuff that

993
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: scouts and GM's are looking for, Like that story carries

994
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: weight for people like that. I just want to play

995
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: coach like I mean that kind of thing. So yeah,

996
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: thanks for sharing. We really appreciate And you've done a

997
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: great job with the senior Bob by the way way.

998
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: To grow that thing.

999
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: It's really really really good for the players, and you're

1000
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: getting better players because of it. We got to take

1001
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: a break, but when we come back, we've got more

1002
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: to discuss with the testing from last night and coming

1003
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: up an hour number two, we got a good friend

1004
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: Greg Crosell joining us as well to dive into some

1005
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: more prospects here on One Bill's Live, presented by a

1006
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: lot of health It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome

1007
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: back to One Bill's Live here at the NFL Scouting

1008
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: Combine and Indianapolis.

1009
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Chris trapassa with you. Good conversation there.

1010
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: With Jim Naggy, and we didn't even get to a

1011
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: couple of players we wanted to ask him about I

1012
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: know you wanted to ask him about a lot too,

1013
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: And I wanted to ask him about these two offensive tackles.

1014
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm just getting started now on the offensive lignement, I

1015
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: was trying to gravitate towards perceived positions of need for

1016
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: the Bills, but now kind of trickling down to offensive tackling.

1017
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: I was watching Patrick Paul from Houston, who was a

1018
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: behemoth something like thirty six and a quarter and which

1019
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: is like, hello, my arm is over three feet long,

1020
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: which is just nuts. The last guy I can remember

1021
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: with super long arms like that for the Bills is

1022
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: Cordy Glenn. He had thirty six in a quarter inch

1023
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: arms also and was an effective left tackle. I still

1024
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: remember GM Buddy Nicks at the time. They were like, uh,

1025
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: the Giraft gurus project him to guard, and he looked

1026
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: at everybody he goes, he's a tackle for us.

1027
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: He's a tackle for us. Like that's how he said it.

1028
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 2: He said, because you time people with the sun dialed

1029
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 2: around him, he.

1030
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 5: Was wasn't it didn't it come out that like Buddy

1031
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 5: Nicks was the one that was pushing that because he was.

1032
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he was the only he said

1033
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: from the start, Buddy was really good about.

1034
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 4: He was a straight shooter.

1035
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: He wasn't really good about throwing people off the scent.

1036
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: I'll okay that.

1037
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: And he he was convinced, like people were talking about

1038
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: Cordy Glenn is a guard and how you why you

1039
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: draft in a guard in the second round, And he's like,

1040
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: he is a tackle and we think he can.

1041
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: Play left tackle for us.

1042
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: Good and he was an effective player before foot injuries

1043
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: kind of caught up with him and stuff.

1044
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: Very effective.

1045
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, Patrick Paul University of Houston and Roger

1046
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: Rosengarden right tackle for University of Washington. With two guys

1047
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: that I wanted to ask Jim about, didn't get a

1048
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: chance to. Both of them were down at the Senior Bowl.

1049
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: They couldn't be more different. Paul is kind of a passive,

1050
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 2: you know, pass pro catch the guy and just kind

1051
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: of latch on. And I will say this, once he

1052
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: latches on, it's over. Like, people don't get away from

1053
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: that guy. And with thirty six inch arms, you're making

1054
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: contact first every single time. There's no defensive end I

1055
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: can think of with over thirty six inch of sierro

1056
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: is initiating the contact for sure.

1057
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: And I always with those longer, bigger offensive tackles, just

1058
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: think of the arc that they create for edge rushers

1059
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 5: to have to get around.

1060
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 4: So even if.

1061
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 5: They're not winning cleanly, if Paul, you're not always getting

1062
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 5: super clean wins. You look at his numbers, he barely

1063
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 5: allowed any pressures because even when he lost, the edge

1064
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 5: rusher was winning after like three and a half or

1065
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 5: four seconds. It just takes so long to get around

1066
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 5: him because he's so big.

1067
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Rosengarten, you watch him play and he is aggressive

1068
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: with his hands. He wants to hand fight you. You know

1069
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: that's a guy that should say you want to take

1070
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: him into the alley with you if you think there's

1071
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: gonna be trouble because he gets out of that stance,

1072
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: he fires out.

1073
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: And you know he wants to fight you. And it

1074
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: was funny. We were just talking with Naggie after he left,

1075
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: and I said, I couldn't believe it.

1076
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: There's this defensive vent and he knew exactly the play

1077
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: I was talking about. Like this pass rusher lines up

1078
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: in a wide nine alignment, so he's way wide, and

1079
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 2: Rosengarden comes out of his stance and he realizes there's

1080
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: a ton of space between him and the pass rusher,

1081
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: and most tackles don't want that much space between them,

1082
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: but you also don't want to overplay the down and

1083
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: then yeah, lunge and.

1084
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 3: Get beat easy. But he jump sets this guy from

1085
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 3: like three yards away.

1086
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 4: I was like, whoa like supermobile?

1087
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: Yes, and you don't see that a lot from tackles

1088
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: being that aggressive in pass pro. But he jumps at

1089
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: the guy and all of a sudden, he was all

1090
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: in his kitchen and the guy didn't know what to do.

1091
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: Because he had his hands on his breastplate already and

1092
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: he couldn't go anywhere.

1093
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: I was like that.

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00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 2: It was a really impressive rep from him. So really

1095
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: I actually like him better than Patrick. He Paul, and

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00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people have Paul ahead of Rosengarten just

1097
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: because of the measurables. I like Rosengarden.

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00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 4: It's just like flavor.

1099
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 5: Like some teams like to me that pop up there

1100
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: with Patrick Paul would be like the Baltimore Ravens. They

1101
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 5: drafted that Minnesota, like four hundred pound offensivele. Oh yeah,

1102
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: totally blanking on his name now. They like they signed

1103
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 5: Morgan Moses in free agency, who was a bigger dude

1104
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 5: coming out of Virginia in twenty fourteen. Some teams like

1105
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: size and power and six six and thirty six inch arms.

1106
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 5: Rosengarten's not small, but it's seems like for as big

1107
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 5: and tall as Spencer Brown is and Dean Dawkins is

1108
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 5: certainly not a smaller tackle.

1109
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 4: The Bills lean into the athleticism.

1110
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 5: We've talked about it with Brown, with Tremaine Edmunds, back

1111
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 5: in the day, with with Allen, with Greg Russol. They

1112
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 5: like the high caliber athletes, and I think Rosengarden is

1113
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 5: going to test a lot better than Patrick Paul and

1114
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: is more mobile for those you know, pin and pull

1115
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 5: get to the second level out on wide receiver screens.

1116
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 5: He's better in that regard.

1117
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 4: He's very mobile for being six five three ten.

1118
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't think of that.

1119
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: Daniel, Yeah, Daniel fully Minnesota, right, yep, Yeah, he caught

1120
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 2: a touchdown passing college.

1121
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: I remember I was like, what, Yeah.

1122
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: Those guys.

1123
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if he's on the roster anymore.

1124
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, he's one of the backup back there.

1125
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: Okay, we got to take a break though, because when

1126
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: we come back, our number two will begin with our

1127
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: good friend senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell, and

1128
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: talk receivers with him as well, before he heads over

1129
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: to the Lucas Oil Stadium to watch the quarter X

1130
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: throw later this afternoon.

1131
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 3: It's One Bill's Live presented by to Loid of Health.

1132
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 9: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1133
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 6: This this One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

1134
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to our number two here at the

1135
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: NFL Combine on a Friday. Chris Brown, Chris Trepasso with you,

1136
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: and look what we got on his regular diet during

1137
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: the season. Senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell, who

1138
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: is here and ready to watch quarterbacks throw in about

1139
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: an hour, but took some time to join us. Good

1140
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: to see you, Greg, as always. And we know you've

1141
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: been dicing up the receiver.

1142
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: So we figure we trying to get there. Yeah, so

1143
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: like the Super Bowl just happened yesterday, so I'm a

1144
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: little behind.

1145
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 3: You know, we all feel we all feel behind it

1146
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: right right.

1147
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: There's no time to hit the pause button ever, But

1148
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: let's jump right into the receiver classes. There are a

1149
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: lot of Bills fans that are interested in the class

1150
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: as a whole, there seems to I know, and with

1151
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: true X receivers, which is what the Bills are perceived

1152
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: to need. Knowing that Gabe Davis is probably out the

1153
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: door signing a free agent deal elsewhere, so with that

1154
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: in mind, we're going to start with a guy who

1155
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: looks like a true X in every sense of.

1156
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: The word, in Brian Thomas.

1157
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 2: And there's and I know you don't really care about

1158
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: debating where he might go, but there's some debate. He

1159
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: could be gone as early as fifteen, or he may

1160
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: leak down to where the Bills picked.

1161
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: But what is maybe the most appealing.

1162
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: Trade about a guy who seems to have a pretty

1163
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: complete skill sets.

1164
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: Most appealing trait from Brian Thomas.

1165
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk from the Bills perspective.

1166
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, let's do it.

1167
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: Overall length, stride length, vertical dimension. They don't have any

1168
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: of that, And I think that to me when I

1169
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: watched his tape, I came away feeling like he was

1170
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: an ascending player. You know, that he would continue to

1171
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: get better, that what we've seen of him at LSU

1172
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: was not going to be what he is. That he

1173
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: hasn't stopped right there, Okay, that he's going to get better.

1174
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: I know that he works with t. J. Huschmanzada, and

1175
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: I've heard he's a phenomenal kid, and I think he's

1176
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: going to get better and better. He's long, which is

1177
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: a trait by the way. You know, I had to

1178
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: learn that, you know, Chris, years ago, when I started

1179
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: really doing college players' evaluations in earnest how goes back.

1180
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember how many years a while ago, but

1181
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: I you know, i'd see tall guys with stride length

1182
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: and I never really took that into account and then

1183
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: I kind of realized, wait a second, that's a trait

1184
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: because when they get free access, they eat up ground

1185
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: in a hurry.

1186
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: They get up on that corner and force him into

1187
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 2: an uncomfortable to exactly.

1188
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: So, I really like Brian Thomas a lot, and I

1189
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: think you're right. He's more than just a vertical dimension,

1190
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: you know. I think that there's a lot to him.

1191
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: I think he can work the middle of the field.

1192
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I who knows where he gets drafted. But

1193
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: this is a deep receiver class. It's deep in other

1194
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: areas too, so you don't know how the draft's going

1195
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: to play out.

1196
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 2: So let me follow up on that real quick, because

1197
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: there is some talk that, well, you know, the LSU

1198
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: receivers just one all day on slants and fades and

1199
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: didn't really show you too much more of their routree on.

1200
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: A consistent basis.

1201
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 2: I don't know how legitimate you would consider that argument,

1202
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 2: because I guess it left people wanting to see more

1203
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: of a rowtree from Brian Thomas. Do you feel you

1204
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 2: saw enough of it? Certainly his skill set would indicate

1205
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: he's capable of it. But what do you say to that?

1206
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: But give me a little Devil's advocate.

1207
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: You know, you know, Brownie, I've never been a big,

1208
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: big believer in that part of it because I think

1209
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: ultimately the routes you mentioned, they run a lot in

1210
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: the NFL, by the way, you know, I think of teams,

1211
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 1: even good teams, like I think of someone who's big

1212
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: like T. Higgins and Thomas who you know, not that

1213
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: it's an apples to apples comparison, but you know T

1214
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: Higgins runs a lot of his glance routes and slant

1215
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: routes and a lot of vertical right, these are routes

1216
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: that are run quite frequently in the NFL, So you

1217
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: know he's going to be taught things anyway. When he

1218
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: gets to the next level, you know, he's obviously he'll

1219
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: run a few more routes. But no receiver runs every

1220
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: route in the book, you know, it doesn't really work

1221
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: that way. So I've never really seen that as as

1222
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: an argument that should limit what how you viewers shouldn't

1223
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: be a knock and there shouldn't be a knock.

1224
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 5: Correct on that note, athletically on film, do you think Thomas,

1225
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 5: even if he's not running a ton of routes now

1226
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 5: and you're gonna show him other routes or maybe he'll

1227
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 5: never have to. Do you think he has the athleticism

1228
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 5: and the flexibility being even a bigger receiver to open

1229
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 5: on a as much of a consistent basis as he

1230
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 5: will need to in the NFL?

1231
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I mean it might not happen day

1232
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: one in training camp or the first Sunday of the season,

1233
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: But yes, I think that he's got the body type

1234
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: because he's he's not thin, thin, but he certainly is

1235
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: not a heavy thirty right right right, Normally those heavier

1236
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: guys and we'll get to one of those guys, I'm sure, surely,

1237
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: But I think he's got the body type, the flexibility,

1238
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: the movement skills where he's able to do the end.

1239
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: Plus so much of route running, Chris, that you're talking

1240
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: about a lot of that is detail and nuance. How

1241
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: you use your vertical stem, Can you get a corner

1242
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: off his spot? Can you get his body turned? Those

1243
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: are more nuanced elements of route running which you can

1244
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: be taught.

1245
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so let's move on to a guy

1246
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: whose basketball background is very apparent. When you're watching play football,

1247
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: Keyon Coleman, you know it comes from Michigan State actually

1248
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: played for Tom Izzo. Yeah, for the Michigan State Spartans.

1249
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: And it's no surprise. The guy wins just about every

1250
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: jump ball he's a part of. And here we go

1251
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: again with a little bit of a knock. They say, well, uh,

1252
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: not a consistent separator. But it doesn't seem like he

1253
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 2: needs to if he's winning every jump ball in contested

1254
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: catch seemingly but do you could you see that as

1255
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of a concern for some teams along

1256
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: with just the one year of major production.

1257
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kept going back and forth on Coleman. There

1258
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: were times I really liked him and there were other

1259
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: times I just was uncertain. I feel like there's a

1260
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: lot in his body, Brownie, like, in other words, there's

1261
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: there's much to cultivate. Okay, I don't know if he's

1262
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: ready right away. I mean, he made a couple of

1263
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: great catches. You know, we know he can do that.

1264
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna he'll come in at over sixty three.

1265
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: He's listed at six ' four. Sometimes we know that

1266
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: that's not exactly right, but he's gonna come in at

1267
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: probably in the six to three range. He did make

1268
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: one catch that was ridiculous this year, and there's no

1269
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: question he can make in tested catches, which of course

1270
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: plays to the boundary X element that you were speaking about.

1271
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: You know, that single receiver to the short side of

1272
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: the field that has to be able to make contested catches.

1273
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: I think he can do that. I think as far

1274
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: as the nuance of the position, he needs a lot

1275
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: of work. So I didn't like him overall as much

1276
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: as others, but I saw that there was something there

1277
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: and it just I think it needs work.

1278
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: Might take a little longer for all to claim.

1279
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, all right.

1280
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 5: Moving across the country to Oregon, Troy Franklin, Yeah, it's

1281
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 5: obvious he's a burner. He's he's gonna be sixty three

1282
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 5: point eighty. He should be a burner at that size.

1283
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 5: To me, beyond the added element of explosive plays down

1284
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 5: the field, I think the Bills offense needs to plan

1285
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 5: ahead for twenty twenty five postefon Diggs air most likely

1286
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 5: just thinking long term, do you think this kind of

1287
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 5: general Do you think from what you saw on with

1288
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 5: Troy Franklin film, that he can be more than a

1289
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 5: vertical separator and be that relatively nuanced are oute runner

1290
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 5: who can you know, Garner one hundred and fifty targets

1291
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 5: and be a number one eventually in the NFL.

1292
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: I would answer that more in the affirmative than the negative.

1293
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: I like Troy Franklin. There's no question Chris. He's a

1294
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: vertical guy, no question. He can run. I think he

1295
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: tracks the ball really well. But he also ran in

1296
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: that offense because it was a very defined, structured offense

1297
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: with Bo Nicks. He ran a lot of shorter routes,

1298
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 1: He ran a lot of inbreakers. He worked the middle

1299
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: of the field pretty effectively, lined too. Yeah, yeah, So

1300
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: I think that he can do more than just be

1301
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: a vertical dimension. He's a receiver I really like because

1302
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: of his speed. Where do the Bills draft friends twenty eight?

1303
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's so hard to know, and you know,

1304
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to admit I'm not good at

1305
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but he could well be there

1306
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: depending on how the draft plays out. And I I'm

1307
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: just such a firm believer that with Josh Allen, the

1308
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Bills need speed. They don't have any.

1309
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: Speed away haven't added since John Brown?

1310
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: What what do you say to the critics of his stature?

1311
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: We have examples in the league of slight frame eyes

1312
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: that have I guess, for the most part, been able

1313
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: to stay at DeVonta Smith, which you know, who's right

1314
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: under your nose where you are, like, I don't know

1315
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: how many games he's missed in his short career, right,

1316
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: But then you have like a Tank Dell who was

1317
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: tearing up the league and then breaks his leg. I

1318
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: don't know what level, right, What level of concern do

1319
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: you think there is for slighter framed receivers, especially now

1320
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: that we're playing seventeen regular season games, And should that

1321
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 2: be a factor in the equation at.

1322
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: All, Brownie, less than there ever has been. You think

1323
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: of a lot of these receivers drafted high. Go back

1324
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: to Addison a year ago from SC hundred, one hundred

1325
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: and seventy two pounds. I think the way the game

1326
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: has changed now, with the motion with these receivers, with

1327
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: getting the free access into their routes, with more location

1328
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: diversity within the formation for receivers, I think that that

1329
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: sort of knock, you know, if you want to present

1330
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: it as such, against smaller receivers is kind of falling

1331
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: away a little bit, Okay. I think that That's why

1332
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: I asked, Yeah, you can get these guys in motion.

1333
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: You can get them off the ball. You know, you

1334
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: can create.

1335
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: Their line of receivers up in the backfield now right.

1336
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: You can get them anywhere to give them free access

1337
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: off the ball. So you know, I don't think with Franklin,

1338
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: you know obviously, and who knows what you can get

1339
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: him up to in the at the NFL level. He'll

1340
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: never get him up to two oh five, I'm sure,

1341
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: but maybe you get him up to one eighty eight,

1342
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: in which case that's fine. Then he's not really too light.

1343
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: So but I don't think that's a big Let's put

1344
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: it this way. If he's if he's not to make it,

1345
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that would be the reason.

1346
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 5: Ya Okay, Yeah, another receiver that to me, I like,

1347
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 5: he's a little enigmatic. For me, it's kind of hard

1348
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 5: to really peg him. Texas is a d Mitchell. We'll

1349
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 5: talk about what you really like about him, and he

1350
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 5: feels like or at least to me, he feels like

1351
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 5: someone that has his best football in front of him

1352
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 5: because we didn't really see him play a lot of football.

1353
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: No, he's a Georgia transfer. So he had the big

1354
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: year this year in Texas I loved A. D. Mitchell now.

1355
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: I loved, for instance, far more than Coleman. And they're

1356
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: similar in size. I think Mitchell's more explosive. I think

1357
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: he's more sudden for his size. I really like Mitchell's

1358
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: tape a lot. I came away from watching Mitchell feeling

1359
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: that and again, I don't know the kids, so you know,

1360
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: and again and now it depends where he goes to. Oh,

1361
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, we all know there's a lot of factors

1362
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: about but I came away feeling like this guy could

1363
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 1: be a top ten receiver in the league within three years.

1364
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think this guy has really high level traits.

1365
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people point to the Alabama

1366
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: game when he made some catches against kol Aid McKinstry,

1367
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: particularly one in the in the low red zone where

1368
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: he just really ran a great route and beat him.

1369
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't if you remember that.

1370
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 4: Play, I do, you know, but I bet his size

1371
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 4: doing that, what's that like? Impressively?

1372
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1373
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: I really like ad Mitchell a lot.

1374
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: He I was telling Chris this when we were off

1375
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: the air. To me, he kind of stands out as

1376
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: a clutch performer. It seems like the bigger the game

1377
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: the better he is. Whether it's Texas's upset of Alabama

1378
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: this year, he scores two touchdowns in that game. And

1379
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: he's played in five college football playoff games in his career.

1380
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: He has a touchdown in every one of them. I mean,

1381
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 2: to me, that's the clutch gene. You can't always describe

1382
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: what it is, but you know it when you see it,

1383
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: and it seems like he has that.

1384
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's just really gifted. I mean I I

1385
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: didn't know a ton about him. I mean I obviously

1386
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: he played at Georgia. You know, it's not as if

1387
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: I never saw him, but I didn't know a lot

1388
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: about him.

1389
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he missed a lot of times last year

1390
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: at Georgia's the high ankles.

1391
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: Correct, So that was the thing he missed a lot

1392
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: of time. So you know, when I when I really

1393
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: put on the tape, probably two three weeks ago, can't

1394
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: remember exactly when I was kind of blown away and

1395
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: he became you know again, I don't usually make lists

1396
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: and receivers are different, Like, you know, I wouldn't compare

1397
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: him to like. To me, it's not a comparison to say, well,

1398
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: who do you like better, Mitchell or Lad McConkie. To me,

1399
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: they're not comparable. They're totally totally different guys. But I mean,

1400
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: on a certain level, if I really had to make

1401
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: a list, he might be my fourth receiver. If I really,

1402
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: if somebody said to me, you better make a list.

1403
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 5: Or else, yeah, it would be a fourth Okay, do

1404
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 5: you think he's because he hasn't really played a lot

1405
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 5: just the one year of high level production. Do you

1406
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 5: think he can hit the ground running, so to speak,

1407
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 5: and be that fifty to sixty to seventy catch guy

1408
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 5: in year one or is it more you draft him

1409
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: and you're saying, like you said, in three years, you're

1410
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 5: getting a top ten.

1411
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: Receiver That would depend to me on two things. Maybe

1412
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: not only two things, but two things for sure. The

1413
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of kid he is and the wide receiver coach.

1414
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: Those two things would dictate, you know, And again, like

1415
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: I said, there's probably other factors. You know, none of

1416
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: us know the kid. You know, he said, you don't

1417
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: know the answer to that, but you know, if he's

1418
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: really susceptible to coaching, how he handles it, work, ethic,

1419
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: all those things that go into the fact that the

1420
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: NFL game is not the college game, and how he's coached,

1421
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, now, you got to

1422
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: coach these kids. The NFL is a different game. You

1423
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: can't just say, hey man, you're your six three, you're smooth,

1424
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: you're great. You know what. You gotta go out and separate.

1425
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: You gotta coach these kids, you know.

1426
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: Right, And he's supposed to test off off the charts.

1427
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: He could very well do that.

1428
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna be crazy. Uh did you have a

1429
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 3: follow up? Yeah?

1430
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 5: Quick follow up playing Devil's advocate because I do like him.

1431
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 5: But I said, it's a little mystery for me. What

1432
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 5: about yards after the catch? Do you think he wasn't

1433
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 5: used in a role that you know got him the

1434
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 5: ball in space? Because I saw on film someone that

1435
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 5: wasn't a big yards after right, and we know how

1436
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 5: important that is. Do you think that's in a different

1437
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 5: role he can be a good yards after the catch

1438
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 5: guy like Obrian Thomas is at a similar size.

1439
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: I do, okay, okay, and yards after catches to me

1440
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: more often a function of the quarterback. And I think

1441
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: when yours was a little erratic with his ball location

1442
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 1: at times, so whereas Jade Daniels was not. So Yeah,

1443
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that's in his body clearly.

1444
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, talking about yards after catch? How about

1445
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: Xavier Lagete from South Carolina. This guy for a man

1446
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: that is two hundred and twenty five pounds six foot one,

1447
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: you're not expecting him after the catch to pull away

1448
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: from DB's who look like track athletes, right, and yet

1449
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: he does it on film. He looks like he's too

1450
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: thickly built to be capable of doing that, and yet

1451
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: there he goes and you can't get him.

1452
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: So, now, Brownie, you have to think about guys who've

1453
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: looked like him coming into the league. And again that's

1454
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: what teams do. They play the percentages. They look at

1455
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: a guy that's six to one. I believe he was

1456
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: two twenty three at the senior ball, So, like you said,

1457
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: two twenty five ish, give or take. How many guys

1458
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: like that? And again he may be the exception, but

1459
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: how many guys like that have really become.

1460
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 3: Basically Deebo Samuel? That's it. Can think, Oh AJ's bigger,

1461
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: though he's taller, isn't he?

1462
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think so? Actually a J.

1463
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 3: Brown, Yeah, isn't he like sick?

1464
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 7: Is he? No?

1465
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: He's about the same size, same Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, OK.

1466
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: So aj Brown, Deebo Samuel, the.

1467
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: Other guy, and the then the guy you have to

1468
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: be careful about, who a lot of people liked, include

1469
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: myself when he came out, who didn't make it as

1470
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: laviscous Chinal very similar Bill. Now again, I'm not saying

1471
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: he can't be a really good player, but he's a big,

1472
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: thick kid who's fast with the ball in his hands,

1473
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily as fast as a route runner, and those

1474
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: are two different things. So, yes, is there like a

1475
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel element to him with the ball in his hands? Perhaps,

1476
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: But I think you'd have to do a lot of

1477
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: due diligence on him to try to figure out exactly

1478
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: how you deploy him in the context of your offense.

1479
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: So he might be a little bit more raw and

1480
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: lacks route savvy.

1481
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: Yes, So that's again.

1482
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: Now you're counting on to your point, on the last guy,

1483
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: your receivers coach to kind of get more out of

1484
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: him and refine him so he can maximize every skill.

1485
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: He had, right, I mean, right now, he's the kind

1486
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: of guy you'd probably throw tunnel screens too. You use

1487
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: him on jet sweeps and all. That's great. But he

1488
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: still has to be a receiver. He still has to

1489
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: be a receiver.

1490
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I hadn't thought about it.

1491
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 5: I think that's especially interesting because we heard Sean mcdermoy

1492
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 5: and Brandon Bean earlier this week talk about explosive plays

1493
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 5: and they both specifically mentioned, which I'm a big advocate

1494
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 5: of run after the catch. So to me, with Leaguette,

1495
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 5: if the Bills did pick him, it would have to

1496
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 5: be like, all right, we know that you're not going

1497
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 5: to run all the routes, but let's just use you

1498
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 5: in that jet suite tunnel screen type role earlier.

1499
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: And I think one reason they mentioned running after catch

1500
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: is think about what their offense looks like when Joe

1501
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: Brady took over. Now, there'll be some changes because Joe

1502
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: Brady now can work all season. He's not beholden to

1503
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: what was done prior. He can put in a lot

1504
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: more of what he wants to put in. But at

1505
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: the end of the day, they ended up throwing a

1506
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: lot of shorter balls, and when you start throwing shorter balls,

1507
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: you're relying on run after catch to be a bigger

1508
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: part of your offense. So I'm sure they see run

1509
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: after catch as something that is now important to them.

1510
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: All right, So Ricky Piersall is another guy who did

1511
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: I do like so there, but he's a guy that

1512
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,479
Speaker 2: may not test off the charts. I think he's gonna

1513
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: test pretty well, but I don't know if he's gonna

1514
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 2: He's not running four to three though, No, no, no,

1515
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: but not that that's the end all be all to

1516
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: being a good receiver in the league, as you well know.

1517
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: But maybe just what appeals to you about him, he was.

1518
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: He was a transfer to right, I think Arizona.

1519
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he leads Arizona in receiving, then goes to

1520
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 2: Florida and leads Florida in receiving.

1521
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 3: Like wherever he went, he was productive.

1522
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: And he made that arguably the best catch of the year,

1523
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: that one handed catch. You remember that, Oh yeah, yeah,

1524
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean he caught it like it was a tennis ball.

1525
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was ridiculous. It was Yeah, it was

1526
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: not right.

1527
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: And you know what, he's six one. I mean he

1528
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: was at the senior ball. I think when people look

1529
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: at him they probably automatically say, oh slot. But he's

1530
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: six one and he runs well, and I think you

1531
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: could line him up. I think he's location versatile within

1532
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: the within your formation. I think he runs good routes.

1533
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: It would not surprise me if he runs better than

1534
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: you think. I mean, he's not like you said, he's

1535
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: not going to run a four to three five. But

1536
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: he's also not one of those like typical slot receivers

1537
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: that's going to run a four or five nine for

1538
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: a four to six one. I like Rookie Pierce, and

1539
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: I think he's tough.

1540
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: I watched him play and I don't know if it's

1541
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: because the first name is the same, but I was thinking,

1542
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm thinking Ricky Prol, he's mind. He was coming to

1543
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: mind when I was watching him on tape. Do you

1544
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 2: think that translates it all?

1545
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: Ricky pro I know Ricky pol very well and uh

1546
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: and Ricky Proll was a great risk, you know. Do

1547
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: you know that Ricky poll just as a ridiculous aside

1548
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: For the first ten years in his career he played

1549
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: with ten different quarterbacks.

1550
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 3: Like wow, that's.

1551
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: Insane, And the only reason he couldn't get on the

1552
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: fields is because he's playing with the greatest show on turf,

1553
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 2: with a couple of Hall of famers.

1554
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: But if you look at his numbers in his career,

1555
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: they were really good. I mean, he's he's interesting comparison.

1556
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: I mean, Ricky Prol was a really really good rech.

1557
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 2: So he was a guy that was not gigantic but

1558
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 2: could line up outside any well, like what you were

1559
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 2: saying about Piersall. You know, it made me even think

1560
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: about Ricky Poll all the more because I was watching

1561
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: his tape and I'm thinking of Ricky Poll and then

1562
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 2: you said, you know, he's six ' one and people

1563
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 2: say slot, but he can line up outside. I'm like,

1564
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's Ricky Pol again. You made me

1565
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 2: start thinking of Ricky Pol all over again.

1566
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if this comparison, I'd be curious Chris,

1567
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: if you know, when you think of this comparison, you

1568
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: know some might look at him and think of someone

1569
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: like Adam Thielen.

1570
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh wow, I think people be very happy if

1571
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 5: you talk about this a lot. Great I think with

1572
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 5: pearsall beyond just running routes, I think he does a

1573
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 5: great job immediately diagnosing is it man? Is its zone

1574
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 5: where I need to be Because a lot of route

1575
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 5: running is not just how athletic you are. Can you

1576
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 5: shake the press man corner? There's a lot of zone

1577
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 5: that's played in the NFL, it's about two thirds zone.

1578
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 5: I think he has a very good sense, like football IQ.

1579
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 4: Of doing it.

1580
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, Chris, because I think most

1581
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: people think that only the quarterback has to make that

1582
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: determinations to whether it's man or zone, and receivers do too.

1583
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: I remember when Sterling Sharp used to come to NFL

1584
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: films every week and I got to know him really

1585
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: well and we talk receiving, you know, because he was great. Yeah.

1586
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: In fact, there were some who think that if he

1587
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt, that he would have been the best

1588
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: receiver ever, better than Rice. But that's a whole other conversation.

1589
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: But anyway, he used to talk about the fact that

1590
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 1: when you're playing against zone sometimes you have to change

1591
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: the depth of routes. You have to do different things

1592
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,440
Speaker 1: other than how the route is written in the playbook,

1593
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: because you have to find open space within the timing

1594
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: of the you know, the whole play. And you know,

1595
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: it's a great point that that's something that's overlooked I

1596
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: think with a lot of receivers.

1597
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a great class. I mean just the

1598
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 3: class as a whole.

1599
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: I mean we're looking into the third round probably for

1600
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: starting caliber talent you know that could get on the

1601
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 2: field in year one and contribute, not somebody rolling in,

1602
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: you know, to for mop up duty in a twenty

1603
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: point victory. If you're talking about guys that are gonna

1604
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: play roles well into day two, right, it is that deep,

1605
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: you would say, just on the caliber.

1606
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: And I think because the talent level is pretty high

1607
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: at receiver now just you know, every year year then

1608
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,520
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to team scheme, how they're deployed.

1609
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, just think of Pokinakua, you know what I mean.

1610
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: I think you get into all that, you know, you

1611
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: get into how five Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not

1612
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 1: saying that whoever they draft is going to catch one

1613
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: hundred and four balls.

1614
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: Right, But look at Khalil Shakir this year for the Bills,

1615
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: Like that's a fifth round.

1616
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: Pick, a player if you recall when they really liked

1617
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: him that I really liked that at a Boise State

1618
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot more there now. He's

1619
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: not a want or you know, if you want to

1620
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: get into these categories, you'd say he's not a one

1621
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: or a three, but he I think he can be

1622
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: really good at that. Yeah, you know, and.

1623
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 5: That's a starter. That's someone that's gonna be on the

1624
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 5: field of line. You're going to get thrown them, you know, Yeah.

1625
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of times it's going to be

1626
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: on the field, probably sixty percent of your snaps. So

1627
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately they need a one, one and a

1628
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: two right now. Well, I don't know what's going to

1629
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: happen with Diggs, but and and probably some people might

1630
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: view this as a hot take. To me, it's not

1631
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,959
Speaker 1: from watching tape, But Diggs is not a true one anymore.

1632
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: You need a guy, they need a vertical dimension and

1633
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: they you know, they need a guy that can work

1634
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: the intermediate levels, you know, pretty consistently. They need they

1635
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: need more juice at receiver.

1636
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: That's why we were saying, like in our in our

1637
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 2: ideal world, they draft two right the first three races

1638
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: and then just get a defensive player with the other

1639
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: pick right.

1640
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: That makes sense. That would be a you know, you

1641
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: don't want to waste Josh Allen here without giving him receivers.

1642
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Greg, Thanks as always, go have fun watching

1643
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks. We'll catch up with you somewhere down the

1644
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: line here in the off season.

1645
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate thanks so much.

1646
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: That's Greg CoA Sale, senior producer from NFL Films. We'll

1647
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,480
Speaker 2: take a break and be back with comedian Joey Molinaro.

1648
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 2: You want to hear some impressions. How about mel Kiper,

1649
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: how about Nick Saban. This guy's got him nailed. We'll

1650
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: catch up with him next here on One Bill's Live

1651
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 2: Stage tub. Welcome back to a Friday edition of One

1652
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: Bill's Live here at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis. Chris

1653
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: Brown along with Chris Drapasso and please to be joined

1654
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 2: now by comedian and impressionist Joey Mullinaro, who you see

1655
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: online just about everywhere, and you're gonna see him in

1656
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: Buffalo April seventeenth. He's got to show at Helium Comedy Club.

1657
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: So get on the line, get online at Helium's website,

1658
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: get yourself some tickets to check this guy out.

1659
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 3: So Joey, thanks for giving us some time. Appreciate it.

1660
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 6: Two years in a row. Fell, it's great to be back.

1661
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome, and you know, I know

1662
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 3: we put you through the paces, but this is fun

1663
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: and we get great feedback from our listeners and viewers

1664
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 3: online when they tweet back at us because they love

1665
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gone. The thing that.

1666
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: That's crazy for me is how you're able to just

1667
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: transition from one to the next. How how hard do

1668
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 2: you have to kind of work on that to get

1669
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: the nuances of each guy? Like how long are you

1670
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: working on somebody before you have feel like you have

1671
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 2: it down?

1672
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1673
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 6: Oh, it depends, man.

1674
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 10: Like.

1675
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 11: Sometimes there's ones that, like, you know, like a Kuiper

1676
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 11: or a luck that like I can hear the voice

1677
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 11: and see them talking and then for whatever reason, it

1678
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 11: just kind of clicks in my brain and then I

1679
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 11: can just imitate that easy, right, Like. But then there's

1680
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 11: other ones that they're working progress, you know that, Like

1681
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 11: like Mahomes took a little bit of time finding that

1682
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 11: and having to kind of recording myself play it back.

1683
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 11: I'm like, is that maybe it needs to be a

1684
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 11: little bit higher, a little bit more nasal, a little

1685
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 11: bit more gravel.

1686
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 6: That kind of thing. So yeah, it could be a process.

1687
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we are here at the draft and

1688
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: maybe the most recognizable guy at the draft is the

1689
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 2: mister widow Peek himself, mel Kiper Junior. So if you

1690
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 2: had to break down you know these quarterback prospects at

1691
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: the top of the draft, Mel, how would you kind

1692
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: of label Caleb Williams, Jade and Daniels Drake May.

1693
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, certainly.

1694
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 12: I think when you look at Caleb Boybs, generational type

1695
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 12: of prospect coming up, a few red flags.

1696
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 6: All his dad he wants them to go not to Chicago.

1697
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 12: He paints it now. It's like could be a red

1698
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 12: flag for some people. Not for me, but for some people.

1699
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 12: It's a link amby Drake May. I do like him.

1700
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 12: He's been work with Philip Rivers a lot. I've heard

1701
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 12: that he's started to develop a little bit of a

1702
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 12: Southern drawl that could be good. Hopefully he doesn't drop

1703
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 12: the elbow like Philip Revers, but that wread. You look

1704
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 12: at Ja Daniels, I think he's fantastic. I think you

1705
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 12: look at him you want to sit down with him.

1706
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 12: He ate a couple of pumpkin pies and enjoyed watching

1707
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 12: Jays Daniels on tape. I know I certainly have. But

1708
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,520
Speaker 12: if you run fikes for Kill Williams overall.

1709
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, staying with quarterbacks, we know you love Patrick Mahomes,

1710
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 5: Chris collins Worth, and you've also done a lot of

1711
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 5: Buffalo Bills games in primetime, talk maybe for once about

1712
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 5: the positives with Josh Allen.

1713
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 10: Boy, I tell you, Josh Allen's a heck of a player,

1714
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 10: but he just reminds me of Patrick Mahomes when I

1715
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 10: watch him. I've lived that on the tape and I say,

1716
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 10: Josh Allen makes those throws, but Patrick Mahomes can make

1717
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 10: him in his sleep. There's no doubt about it.

1718
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 6: So I certainly love watching both of them.

1719
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 10: At fifteen in the Red Jersey is something else.

1720
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 3: He can't stop talking about that guy anytime.

1721
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: Yet, He's not even doing a Chiefs game and he's

1722
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 2: talking about that guy. It drives Bills fans nuts because

1723
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 2: still just like, oh my god, enough with Patrick MAHOMESH

1724
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 2: coach Saban, you decided to step away from football. People

1725
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: were stunted when out of nowhere you just hung it

1726
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 2: up at Alabama. What the heck are you gonna do

1727
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: now without coaching football twenty four to seven and standing

1728
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 2: on the sidelines trying to look important.

1729
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 10: Well, I guess one thing I'll do is come and

1730
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 10: mix it up with folks like yourself. But I just

1731
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 10: got tired of having the pay kids to play football,

1732
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 10: all right, That's not how I run my program. I

1733
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 10: want you to come and I want you to do

1734
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 10: everything that I say exactly how I say it. Like

1735
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 10: being the line to BMV. All right, you go, hey, yeah,

1736
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 10: out there, and you don't have your number in time,

1737
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 10: they get mad at you, just like I'm gonna get

1738
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 10: mad at you. But now the nil comes in here

1739
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 10: and now they're running, the running, the asylum running, And

1740
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 10: that's my program that I'm running. All right, So I'm

1741
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 10: gonna go golf. I'm gonna go eat some oatmeal cream pots.

1742
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: I right.

1743
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 10: But other than that, I'm gonna come here and talk

1744
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 10: with you guys and make a fool on myself every

1745
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 10: now and then.

1746
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 3: I Yeah, sounds good to me.

1747
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 5: Coach Harbaugh, you win the national title, you leave Michigan,

1748
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 5: you go to the.

1749
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 4: Los Angeles Chargers.

1750
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 5: You have justin Herbert's also a record amount of Michigan

1751
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 5: players here. Are you gonna be someone that in that

1752
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 5: draft room is banging the table to make all your

1753
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 5: picks Michigan Wolvers.

1754
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 10: Yeah, uh, big fan. Love love what this town does

1755
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 10: with the combine. You know, we got a look of players,

1756
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 10: uh good players. I'm I'm excited about him and what

1757
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 10: are we doing here?

1758
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 6: Uh, that's good at Uh talk to j J. McCarthy.

1759
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 10: Yeah, got talked to uh talk to him.

1760
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a guy. That's it's all about the

1761
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 3: it's all about the pregnant pauses.

1762
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 11: With him so many he's it's always he doesn't know

1763
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 11: what he's doing or where he is, or he constantly

1764
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 11: looks like somebody brought him and dropped him somewhere and

1765
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 11: gave him no background to what the situation, no frame

1766
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 11: of reference, no frame, he doesn't know where he is,

1767
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 11: what he's doing. Uh, just constant. My buddy Dave Damischek

1768
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 11: had a great quote about him. He said he always

1769
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 11: looks like he's thinking about if he left the oven on.

1770
01:17:58,240 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 4: When that's perfect.

1771
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 3: That is a very good description.

1772
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 6: His mine is constantly elsewhere.

1773
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. But oh yeah, I got to answer this question somehow. Yeah,

1774
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 3: that's how that's it. Yeah, he looks like but I

1775
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 3: love Jim.

1776
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 6: I'm no, he's great, pump. He's back in the NFL.

1777
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: H helping the NFL.

1778
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 6: It helps me. I think it's great.

1779
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 10: Uh.

1780
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 6: And I hope to see him out in about somewhere.

1781
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 6: It'd be awesome.

1782
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we know, Uh, your biggest fan is Chris

1783
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: collins Worth. Not that you need any more fans now,

1784
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: as you won your third Super Bowl in five years,

1785
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, and we've heard the likenesses to Kermit the Frog.

1786
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 3: He's tired of hearing them, as we know.

1787
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: But Patrick, does it bother you that that Kermit the

1788
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 2: Frog constantly comes up in describing your voice?

1789
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 3: Oh?

1790
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 11: I mean a little bit, because like Kermity is kind

1791
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 11: of more like down, He's more like al Michael's Like

1792
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 11: he's kind of more like Groomy the Frog. And then

1793
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 11: I'm kind of more up here. So I mean, you

1794
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 11: look at what I do on the field and everything

1795
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 11: that I've done. I mean, you want three super Bowls?

1796
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 11: Obviously being Josh all One a few times, right, hang

1797
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 11: out with Taylor Swift a whole bunch now, Like I

1798
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 11: have so many other things that people can talk about,

1799
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 11: and all they ever wanted to ask me is my

1800
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 11: voice and how I talk. I can't help it. It's

1801
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 11: just like I can't help how I love catch up.

1802
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 11: I can't help that I make amazing throws off my

1803
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 11: back foot for fifty yards on a dime. I It's

1804
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 11: just what I do okay, So maybe Gas, you got

1805
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 11: something else you want to keep talking to me?

1806
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 5: All right, this draft class at the top loaded with quarterbacks.

1807
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 5: We just heard Kayleb Williams earlier today Andrew luck As

1808
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 5: someone that many moons ago was the number one overall

1809
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 5: pick in the draft. What advice would you give to

1810
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams or any of these top quarterbacks.

1811
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,440
Speaker 12: The first thing I'd say is get behind an offensive line.

1812
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 12: Hopefully get into an organization that invests into some offensive

1813
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 12: line play. But if you go to Chicago, great architecture,

1814
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 12: big fan of that city and the history behind it,

1815
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 12: so be able to find a new hobby outside of football.

1816
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 12: And maybe you don't have too many kids so you

1817
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 12: don't have to focus on changing poopy divers.

1818
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 2: You're an indie guy, right, so how how what was

1819
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 2: this city like when he just said I'm done?

1820
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 6: Okay?

1821
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 11: So I am an indie guy. I was out of

1822
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 11: town on my bachelor party.

1823
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1824
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 5: It's one of those like you will always remember where

1825
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 5: you were when that happened.

1826
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 6: Right, we have we do the I'm a huge Cubs fan.

1827
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 11: We go up to regularly, mean twenty, I mean we

1828
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 11: had a huge thing three story Airbnb a block away

1829
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 11: from Wrigley Field bachelor party.

1830
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 6: We're going nuts.

1831
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 11: We're on the rooftop across the street from Wriglarly watching

1832
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 11: the game that day, and then we come home. We're

1833
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 11: getting everything ready for the night, you know, showering up, drinking,

1834
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 11: you know, having a good time, music playing. We got

1835
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 11: the Colts Bears on the preseason because it's like, yeah,

1836
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 11: it's football, it's great.

1837
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 13: You know.

1838
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 11: My buddies are Colts fans. They want to check it out.

1839
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 11: We're out in the back patio having a great time.

1840
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 11: Then all of a sudden, we just hear no, my god,

1841
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 11: my buddy, little buddy.

1842
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 6: He comes.

1843
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 11: He's like five foot four, right and and and he

1844
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 11: runs out into the back patio and we're like.

1845
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 6: What, dude, what's going on?

1846
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 3: Who died? Like what happened?

1847
01:20:58,680 --> 01:20:59,919
Speaker 6: You know, Because he's really distraught.

1848
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 11: She shows us his phone the tweet from Schefter about

1849
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 11: Andrew Luck deciding to hang it up and call it

1850
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 11: a career. And uh, from that point on, it was

1851
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 11: just a complete meltdown by everybody in the building. My

1852
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 11: one of my buddies, like Gronk, spiked his phone into

1853
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 11: the ground and just destroyed it. It really ruined my

1854
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 11: bachelor party. So I will never forget that. I was

1855
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 11: never gonna forget that night in general because Andrew like retired,

1856
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 11: but then the fact that it really soured.

1857
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 4: My It wasn't party vibes after that.

1858
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 6: Oh no, it was like a funeral. We were like

1859
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 6: literally going out.

1860
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 11: We were you know, listening to you know, like a

1861
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 11: whole bunch of Creed and like things.

1862
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 6: Like that, and and just just continuing to drink their

1863
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 6: drink more. And then I'm then, you know, I'm I'm

1864
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 6: the Steelers fans. I'm like, I mean that sucks, but

1865
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 6: like this is my bachelor party. Let's go. Yeah, one

1866
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 6: last quarterback in the AFC, you know. So, But yeah,

1867
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 6: that was that was it. It was a rough day.

1868
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1869
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 2: Being a former NFL quarterback yourself, mister Romo, what would

1870
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 2: you say about We didn't see a lot of him

1871
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 2: because he got hurt this year and his rookie year

1872
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: for the Colts. But Anthony Richardson, Uh, you know, should

1873
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: Colts fans be excited about this guy?

1874
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 3: Oh?

1875
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 11: I think they're gonna jem Oh you see, because I

1876
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 11: watched he does you know, he does it.

1877
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 7: He gets it and he decides that he's gonna run,

1878
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 7: but he could throw the No.

1879
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 3: God, they're gonna love your job.

1880
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 4: All right, I'm a draft analyst.

1881
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 5: We just heard the quarterbacks speaking at the podium today,

1882
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 5: and I know that this time of the year, Colin Cowhard,

1883
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 5: you like to kind of step into the NFL draft

1884
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 5: analysts role or industry. What what do you think that

1885
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 5: you took from Caleb Williams and Jade and Daniels and

1886
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 5: all the quarterbacks talking today about how their personality will

1887
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 5: kind of translate to the next level.

1888
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 11: Man, you know what I got, I got disappoint you.

1889
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 11: I just don't have a Cowhard right now.

1890
01:22:58,680 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 4: Oh really, I'm really sorry.

1891
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 5: That's like your original, that's like your original awesome.

1892
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 11: But the thing about Cowherd is that so much of

1893
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 11: it goes into the the analogy. Oh yeah, the thought

1894
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 11: process of like what he's going to say and.

1895
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: Why he's going He builds an argument.

1896
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 6: He builds an argument ris into everyday life. You know.

1897
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 11: So if I had to say I would say something

1898
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 11: like you know he would It would be like kind

1899
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 11: of guy maybe, or it would be you know, Caleb

1900
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 11: Williams is the guy. You know, he's the the girlfriend

1901
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 11: that you want to have fun with, but he's not

1902
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 11: the girl you settle down with, or something like that.

1903
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 11: He might actually say that, right, like he's the California cool,

1904
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 11: California cool usc right glitz glamor he doesn't want to

1905
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 11: go to Chicago something like that.

1906
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 6: You know, you go to Chicago with your wife. You

1907
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 6: don't go to Chicago with you girlfriend, like something like that.

1908
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 7: That's what he's doing that.

1909
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 11: You guys have heard the stuff that he talks about

1910
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 11: with Josh Allen obviously and everything, and uh, that's what's

1911
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 11: so much of it is, so much of it goes

1912
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 11: into him. Like I said, like that, how he's going

1913
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 11: to start at point A weave you through this wild

1914
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 11: journey of marriage and finance and tech that in somehow

1915
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 11: with him making the argument that Patrick Mahomes is better

1916
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 11: than Joe Joe Burrow.

1917
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

1918
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're wondering, and then he just ties it up

1919
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: into I think.

1920
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 11: That's maybe why his ratings are so good, because people,

1921
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 11: you know, they they're always just like.

1922
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 3: Time spent listening because you have to wait till I have.

1923
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 11: To wait till the end because I need this payoff.

1924
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 11: Where the hell are you taking me. Oh okay, I

1925
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 11: still disagree with you.

1926
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, that kind of thing.

1927
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: Maybe tell our Buffalo listeners and viewers what they can't

1928
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: expect from the Joey Malinaro performance coming up on April

1929
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 2: seventeenth at Helium Comedy Club.

1930
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was.

1931
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 11: I'm just out on tour doing stand up, was doing

1932
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 11: it last year, had a bunch of runs of good

1933
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 11: shows and and and Buffalo is my first one coming

1934
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 11: up here, posts and kicking off and yep, kicking off

1935
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 11: in Buffalo. Never been to Buffalo. Super super excited. I've

1936
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 11: heard nothing but great things. You know, I I I

1937
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 11: I am. I consider myself a football kind of guy,

1938
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 11: and I know Buffalo is a football kind of town,

1939
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 11: and I'm super pumped to be there. Yeah, it'll be

1940
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 11: a little bit of impressions. I have way more of

1941
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 11: an act than just that, so uh, you know that's

1942
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 11: what you'll get. You'll come and uh, we'll run through

1943
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 11: some impressions.

1944
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 6: We'll have some fun.

1945
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,959
Speaker 11: You'll hear about me making fun of my Catholic upbringing

1946
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 11: and you know that kind of thing, and it'll be

1947
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,759
Speaker 11: a great time. So April seventeenth, Helium Comedy Club. Get tickets.

1948
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Speaker 11: Official Joeymollinaro dot com or or a Helium in Buffalo.

1949
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got the website rolling and they're pretty good on,

1950
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Speaker 2: you know, making it use your friendly for getting tickets.

1951
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Speaker 2: So Joey Molinaro April seventeenth at Helium Comedy Club in Buffalo.

1952
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Speaker 3: Joey, thanks for giving us some time. We appreciate it

1953
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 3: as always.

1954
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 6: Thank you, sor rych Man.

1955
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye out for you in April when

1956
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 2: it should be spring in Buffalo. But no guarantee. That's fine,

1957
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: no garant. We have fake Spring one, Fake Spring two.

1958
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 2: We'll see where we are come April seventeenth. We'll do

1959
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: our best to make it good for you.

1960
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Speaker 6: You got it.

1961
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 3: Joey Molinaro joining us here.

1962
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, be back with more on one

1963
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Speaker 2: Bill's Live, presented by Calline of Health.

1964
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 9: It's Buffalo Bill's Break.

1965
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 2: All right back here at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

1966
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: Final segment of the week, and it has been a

1967
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 2: banner week. We'll get to that in just a second.

1968
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna squeeze a phone call in here. Aaron and

1969
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 2: Oregon has been waiting patiently what he got for his Aeron.

1970
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Speaker 13: Oh, hey, thanks so much for taking my call.

1971
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Speaker 7: I really love.

1972
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Speaker 13: Greg COLESLS in Sight, by the way, I got to

1973
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 13: get them every Tuesday. But I wanted to talk about

1974
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 13: the three receivers I really want to target in round one,

1975
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 13: and if we don't get them, I'd like to go

1976
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,799
Speaker 13: defensive tackler defensive end. So that's Mitchell and Thomas and Franklin,

1977
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 13: and you guys have talked about Mitchell and Thomas a lot,

1978
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 13: but I'm from Oregon, so I want to talk about

1979
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 13: Franklin a little bit more. And I really like him

1980
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 13: and have seen him a lot. But Thomas I think

1981
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 13: is number one. But one of those other guys would

1982
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 13: be great. And then I would like to see us

1983
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 13: pick Brendan Rice up later in the draft if we can.

1984
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 13: And then the other one thing I wanted to talk

1985
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 13: before I get off, because I know you're squeeze for time,

1986
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 13: is I would love to see us get a sentimental

1987
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 13: favorite of mine for backup quarterback in Marcus Mariota again

1988
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 13: an Oregon guy, or John Wolford because of the little

1989
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 13: Wolfford connection. So I'll get off and let you guys

1990
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 13: finish up. But any comments on.

1991
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Speaker 12: That would be great.

1992
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks.

1993
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 2: Eron Wolford is interesting because there is a backup quarterback

1994
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 2: spot to fill, and I think they'll probably do it

1995
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: with an affordable veteran in free agency. That's kind of

1996
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 2: been the play the last few years, so that wouldn't

1997
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: be a surprise.

1998
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 3: And then he really likes Franklin. I get it, you're

1999
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 3: a Ducks fan. I don't know.

2000
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,480
Speaker 2: Like his frame worries me, and Greg kind of assuaged

2001
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 2: that for me a little bit. But one hundred and

2002
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: seventy eight pounds, you know, he's got to put some

2003
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 2: muscle on that frame.

2004
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 3: I worry about him holding up.

2005
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 5: Why I like him so much fitting in Buffalo is

2006
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 5: because I think he checks that initial box. Even if

2007
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 5: he is too light in year one, he can just

2008
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 5: be a downfield guy. They can say, look, don't do

2009
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,799
Speaker 5: anything else, just get down the field, post routes, go routes,

2010
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 5: and like Greg kind of validated because I kind of

2011
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 5: saw this too on film and it was good to

2012
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 5: hear from Greg. The wiggle, the route running, the flexibility

2013
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 5: is there were then in the year two and beyond,

2014
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 5: I think he can become a number one, and maybe

2015
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 5: most importantly than anything, he's probably gonna be there at

2016
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 5: least in the twenties where the Bills could ultimately get him.

2017
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 5: I don't know if Brian Thomas is right.

2018
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Speaker 2: And the best thing about all three of those guys

2019
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 2: is they are They bring a speed element to the table,

2020
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 2: and the Bills desperately need speed. Size also to a

2021
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 2: certain extent, but speed desperately in their receiving cores. Going forward, well,

2022
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 2: it has been a banner week here at the NFL Combin.

2023
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 2: Thanks for helping us out here on Friday, Chris, I'm

2024
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 2: sure we'll catch up with you, but want to thank

2025
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 2: our crew who have been absolutely outstanding both back at

2026
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 2: home base Addie Theyk, Jeff Coltenak, Tom Hollander, George Blass,

2027
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: Gina Mimo, and then Shannon Brown and Jay Harris here

2028
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 2: our producer extraordinaires. Been a great week of guests. We

2029
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 2: hope you've enjoyed it. We'll see you back in Buffalo.

2030
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Speaker 3: Take care,