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Speaker 1: Yeah it is hum day. When Luke Thomas is away.

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Speaker 1: You know your boy BC will still come out and play.

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Speaker 1: Welcome on in. It's Wednesday, January twenty sixth, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Let's deserve it, family time, a little vacation right now.

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Speaker 1: you've read the great book from James Miller on ESPN's history.

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Speaker 1: You know, after the nineties Sports Center hosts of Olberman

427
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Speaker 1: and Dan Patrick kind of became bigger than the brand

428
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Speaker 1: and wanted to start doing all these things. The company

429
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Speaker 1: really started to push back and basically says like, we

430
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Speaker 1: can create a vehicle here in which it's all about

431
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Speaker 1: the brand. We can sub anybody in. That's UFC's thinking

432
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Speaker 1: here as we stand right now. As from these quotes

433
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Speaker 1: from Francis, I think it's much more likely that they

434
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Speaker 1: basically say, if we don't give in to him in

435
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Speaker 1: the end, we can just continue. We can just remove

436
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: him from the UFC history books more alive. We can

437
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: act like he's you know, Fador or Kimbo when they

438
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: were at their height, and they were they were competing

439
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 1: with the UFC, and every time Dana gets on the mic,

440
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: he's like, ah, Fador's old, he sucks. You never beat anybody. Ah.

441
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: Kimbo is just a backyard fighter, right, And I think

442
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: that's ultimately, you know, a flaw of UFC, but also

443
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: a key part of their success. And look Let's give

444
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Speaker 1: Dana credit. He once set all that stuff about Kimbo,

445
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: but he's also willing to give Kimbo a chance to

446
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 1: come in and be the face of the tough season

447
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: and try to you know, use that celebrity to sell

448
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Speaker 1: that season and say, okay, well, if you can prove

449
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: you're good enough, you can fight with us, you know.

450
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Speaker 1: And it worked out for a little bit. And I

451
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Speaker 1: actually thought they they cut Kimbo before they fully could

452
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Speaker 1: have maximized his value to them. And and you know

453
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Speaker 1: that was that was a strong decision of somebody. Okay,

454
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: we ripped him in the past, but we are willing

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Speaker 1: to work with him now. That's rare. That's the one

456
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Speaker 1: thing Vince McMahon, if you want to compare and Dana

457
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Speaker 1: White versus Vincent Man, comparison's I think are apt in

458
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I think Dana White rightfully learned

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Speaker 1: a lot from from you know, modeling Vincent McMahon from

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Speaker 1: a distance. The one thing about McMahon, though, is money's

461
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: always more important than his own spite and his own pride. Right,

462
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: how many times has McMahon had, like you know, death

463
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Speaker 1: feuds outside of the ring, whether Brett Hard or a

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Speaker 1: whole golgran roddy pipe whatever, and then brings them back

465
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Speaker 1: in later on when it was time to make money again.

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Speaker 1: That's a testament to somebody who's long term successful, and

467
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: it's more about the success in the end. I think

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Speaker 1: UFC is a little bit more spiteful than that. They're

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Speaker 1: more likely to just cut someone out. But I think

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Speaker 1: when you look at how they've been successful to this point,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to argue it might be the best decision

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Speaker 1: for them to try to keep the financials as close

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Speaker 1: to status quo as they are so that the UFC

474
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Speaker 1: continued to can't continue to evolve, you know, and grow

475
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Speaker 1: around the world and open up pis in other countries

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Speaker 1: and you know, pay off their celebrity investors and just

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Speaker 1: keep making money, which is their goal, by the way,

478
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Speaker 1: and they're right. I think the best thing they can

479
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Speaker 1: do is get this person out of there now. It's

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Speaker 1: not going to end the conversation. If they did that,

481
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Speaker 1: there's hopefully and inevitably going to be somebody else who

482
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Speaker 1: gets to a certain position, maybe a couple fighters grouping

483
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: together and locking arms and say no, it changes here,

484
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Speaker 1: and then we're going to see you know who's willing

485
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Speaker 1: to dig in the most, because I don't think what

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul said is wrong. In this situation where you

487
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Speaker 1: get into a beef with Dana, he's going to do

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Speaker 1: his best to bench you. You know, there's rules in

489
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Speaker 1: the contract, but he's going to do his best to

490
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Speaker 1: offer you fights that he knows you're going to turn down,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna ben you. I think Francis is gonna

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Speaker 1: end up free from all this because I think they

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Speaker 1: want this to go away, and that's the easiest way

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Speaker 1: to get there. Oh, we'll just create an interim title,

495
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: We'll do another sexy matchup, and we'll forget about you now.

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Speaker 1: The Francis injury is also going to play an interesting

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Speaker 1: role in here. And I want to say this, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that Francis in the last thirty six hours since

499
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Speaker 1: this fight, is getting the sort of Robin Hood folk

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Speaker 1: hero love that I think he deserves, because whether you

501
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: know he's fully right or not, or whether you're against

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Speaker 1: the UFC or not, he's risk it all. He is

503
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: standing firm. Okay, is he really risking it all? Well? No,

504
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: he can become a free agent at the end of

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Speaker 1: this year and go make money elsewhere. But he's risking

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Speaker 1: a lot standing firm like this in ways that other

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Speaker 1: big name fighters haven't been. Yeah, we saw the Bjorn

508
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Speaker 1: Revne mma fighters association with GSP and Cowboy and Diyla

509
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Speaker 1: Sewan than we never saw it again. Francis is going

510
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Speaker 1: further than anyone's gone before. Let's credit Randy Katurf for

511
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Speaker 1: being a big voice back in the day Bjpenn out

512
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Speaker 1: of his moments, but those were different times where there

513
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Speaker 1: was maybe more leverage to fighters to try to go elsewhere,

514
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Speaker 1: to go to pride, to go whatever. It's a little

515
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: bit of a different landscape right now. Francis is willing

516
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: to risk it all, and his decision to risk it

517
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Speaker 1: all ahead of this fight, knowing he had that knee injury,

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Speaker 1: it's mind boggling to me. Not mind boggling that I

519
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: don't understand it, mind boggling to me that he was

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Speaker 1: able to put the pain away, put the fear of

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Speaker 1: what the doctors told him in the week's leading up

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Speaker 1: that you know you're risking permanent damage here and base

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Speaker 1: say nothing is going to stop me from fighting out

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Speaker 1: this deal and putting my best foot forward of what's

525
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: left after this injury to try to defend my title.

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Speaker 1: The fact that he pulled it off is Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, years from now, we're gonna look back at

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Speaker 1: this fight in this performance, because I think Francis, when

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Speaker 1: he heals up, whether he heels up and comes back

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Speaker 1: in the UFC or Bellator or whatever, if his next

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Speaker 1: fight is an MMA fight, not a boxing fight, but

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Speaker 1: an MMA fight, I think he's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: closer to that explosive Francis who was there and the

534
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Speaker 1: step a rematch and blew our minds at his potential

535
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Speaker 1: than he was in this fight against Gon when his

536
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: knee was absurdly compromised and planting and throwing. He was

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Speaker 1: just not able to consistently do that, or do it

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Speaker 1: quickly or do it fluidly. So while we do have

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Speaker 1: John Jones tweeting up a storm saying, damn, I could

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Speaker 1: be both these guys easy, now, i'me confident when he

541
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Speaker 1: got DC right going public on ESPN saying, you know,

542
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, or I think he texted Ariel,

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00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: that's right, you know from what I've seen, John definitely

544
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Speaker 1: beats Francis now, which francis the guy with the compromised knee,

545
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: who had the world against him, the doctors against him,

546
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: the injury, the UFC, brass, the everything, and found a

547
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: different way to do it with wrestling and with guile

548
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: and with toughness. And you know, at the end of

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00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: the third round, seeing in cyril Ghan's eyes that he's

550
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: never been here before, and Francis going, Okay, I can

551
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: do this. Or the Francis when his knee heels up

552
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: and he's a lot closer to being that freak of

553
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: nature force that he was in the Meo Chitch rematch,

554
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: I think that's more likely. But he's gonna have to

555
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: sit out and heal this. And the fact that he

556
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: could pull this off, man, I mean, it's wild. But

557
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: I think when he looked at when he got the

558
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: doctors uh what twenty five days before the fight, when

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00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: he got the doctor's assessment, according to Francis, he had

560
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: a Grade three MCL tear, he had damaged ACL, and

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00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: he had some other cl fcl atf at aliens whatever

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00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: that other thing is around there. I mean, he had

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00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: an ft up knee. But when he's looking at it,

564
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: think about his options at that point, Do I postpone

565
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: this fight? And does that somehow extend my deal even further,

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00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: meaning am I, you know, am I just falling deeper

567
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: into their hands with this? Or am I just going

568
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: to put it all on the line and win or lose?

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00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: And I do believe he was telling the truth in

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Speaker 1: the interviews ahead of the time when he said, look,

571
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Speaker 1: I'm content if I lose this fight. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's going to hurt me mentally. I don't think it's gonna

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00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: hurt my brand. And I think he went and there

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00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: saying it is what it is. This injury happened, but

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Speaker 1: this is what I have to do right now. And again,

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00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he's able to pull that off is insane.

577
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: It's folk hero shit. But business wise, it was probably

578
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: his best move because he's in. He's grabbed a hold

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00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: of the most amount of leverage he possibly can, and

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00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: here's the deal he's He says, this injury was pretty bad.

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00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: He's not coming back in three months. I think I

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00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: made some mention to that on Monday Show. And I

583
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: did the same thing after Connor hurt himself in the

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Speaker 1: dust and fat I recall that now it was a

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00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: little too quick of me, you know't to be healthy

586
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: for a while. So I think that further fuels the

587
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: idea that unless somehow cooler heads can prevail. But if

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00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: the UFC is sending a cease and desist over a

589
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: potential conversation, they're not. They're not willing to deal with Markel,

590
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: Martin of CIA or Francis anymore. They're not willing to say, okay, Francis, sure,

591
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: what is it gonna what's gonna take to keep you happy?

592
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: One boxing match of year? Is that gonna be fine?

593
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. I think as we stand right now,

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00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: he's he's never gonna fight in the cage again in

595
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the in the UFC actor, and he's okay with that.

596
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: And I think for everything he's endured, having to sit

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00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: out all that time, getting kind of wrongfully shot on

598
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: by his boss, both after the loss to Stepe when

599
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't the microwaved tyson of MMA that they hoped,

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00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: and they threw him in there two months after knocking

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00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: out over him or not even two months and he

602
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: loses to Stepe, but they shot on him real hard

603
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: when he lost that decision to Derek Lewis just the

604
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: same And by the way, did no kinds of slant

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00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: toward Derek Lewis not making that boring fight in actual

606
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: fight either, France has been through the ringerman he should

607
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: in reality go, you know what, I do have bigger

608
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: things to accomplish. Maybe I'm never gonna defend this UFC

609
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: title again. I got much bigger things to accomplish. And

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00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: I think his behavior during this season, obviously we don't

611
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: know the full story. And unless both it's not sides

612
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: are gonna sit down for a documentary and tell all

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00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, has Francis and his team done anything dirty

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00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: that should make you see met I'm not sure, but

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00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: I'll be willing, you know, to leave it as a possibility.

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00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: But at least in terms of how Francis has carried

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00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: himself publicly, I think this has become more than just

618
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: his UFC deal or just him his current UFC heavyweight

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Speaker 1: title reign. And I think he realizes that there's gonna

620
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: be a movie made on this guy's life, and rightfully so,

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Speaker 1: and he's gonna inspire a lot of people. And I

622
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: think we're gonna look at back at this as the

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Speaker 1: first major boulder, even if UFC wipes their hands with

624
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: him and says get this conversation out of here. It's

625
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be the last time this conversation starts. You're

626
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna look back at this, you know, I mean making

627
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: a Kurt Flood comparison. This early is a little tough.

628
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: Kurt Flood did a lot, a lot for labor relations

629
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball in the seventies, in the late sixties.

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00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: But uh, this is gonna be a big, big moment.

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00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: And I and I tiped the cap to Francis, and

632
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I hope as a as a fight fan that you

633
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: know him in UFC brass Whether they need to call

634
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: up Uncle Lorenzo as an intermediate, as Connors had to

635
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: do in the past. Is you know GSP had a

636
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: famously call in uh Nick Cohn, the superagent who's now

637
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: running WW to negotiate his return with all the corporate

638
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Speaker 1: issues of Nike versus threeback or whatever the hell that

639
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: deal was. You know what I'm referencing. Could could we

640
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: go to the bullpen and call in the right arbiter?

641
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Could we fix this? Could we pay Francis what he does,

642
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: what he's what he's owed, even if it's just hush money.

643
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to keep the train on the tracks.

644
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: I'd love a heavyweight division over the next eighteen months

645
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: which features Francis and Ganho, John Jones, Cyril Gon, Derek

646
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: Lewis and steep A mio chich all fighting each other

647
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: a few times. That'd be great. That's that's a renaissance

648
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: heavyweight area the era. That's great for business, it's great

649
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: for you know, fans, it'd be great. But I support

650
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Francis and Gano and what he's doing, what he's continued

651
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: to do because it's important. And don't sleep on this

652
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: reality that when fighters finally get in the UFC everything

653
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: that they actually deserve, it's going to change some things

654
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: and they're not going to be for the better immediately

655
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: for fight fans. Some things are going to start to

656
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: look a little bit like boxing, where where you know,

657
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: there's way too many cooks in the kitchen. It's this

658
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: wild wild West and you don't always get what you want.

659
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: But I think the modern era, you know, Al Hayman's

660
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: a big part of this. In the PBC, they've done

661
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: a lot of good at the very least in putting

662
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: fighters in the driver's seat for their own career. Has

663
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: that led to too many times soft match rate. It's

664
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: led to a lot of things. But I think fighters

665
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: are better taken care of in boxing today or have

666
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: a better opportunity to maximize their value than they ever have,

667
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: whether they use that or not, whether they make their

668
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: promoter or their network fish across the street to make

669
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: these big fight happen. Sometimes they do, sometimes it doesn't happen.

670
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Look at Spencon Crawford. UFC's gonna get closer to that direction,

671
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: but it should. This is the most violent sport, right

672
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: and to not get I mean, you know, NFL is

673
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: pretty damn violent. Even though they've done a lot to

674
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: curtail rule changes and you know, even teaching football on

675
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: the youngest youth levels of how to tackle correctly. I mean,

676
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: they're doing some right things there, it's still violent as hell,

677
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: with a very short window for you to be employed.

678
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: And those guys get paid handsomely though for that, it's

679
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: time to see that change here. This is not UFC,

680
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, hiding on Spike TV or something. It's the

681
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: ESPN Era. It is a different ballgame. So there's that

682
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: for your opening statement. Francis and Gan, who keep fighting

683
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: the good fight. But as of right now, your boy

684
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: BC doesn't see him ever ever step into that ockdown again.

685
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens over this next year. Some fight

686
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: announcements that I want to react to. Let's start off

687
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: the top here UFC London, March nineteenth, a very interesting

688
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: heavyweight clash Alexander Volkov against Tom Aspinall. Now, on the surface,

689
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: this is a is Tom Aspinall for real type fight

690
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: and it's important, just like Chris Dakis just had against

691
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis, just like in some ways tychoy Vass is

692
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: about to have with Derek Lewis. This is the right

693
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: step up opportunity. But in crafting during this holiday break,

694
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: I showed up on Aaron Bronsteads tsn MMA roundtable, where

695
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, I like his setup. It's there's a lot

696
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: of predictions we make, but you know he's like come

697
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: up with a one tier bold prediction, a two tier one,

698
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: a three tier one. In looking around and going okay,

699
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: what what could happen this year? What's the untapped fighter

700
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: that's gonna make a move? What division's gonna get hot.

701
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: Alexander Volkov, I think hasn't figured out yet how good

702
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: he can be. So you're gonna come to this fight,

703
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: which is very good matchmaking to see if Aspinall's for

704
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: real and if you talk, if you hear from you know,

705
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Cyril Gohn and his coach for Nan Lopez, and you

706
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: know they've worked with Aspiral, they identify Aspinall like Gon,

707
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: a sort of one of these future next you know

708
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: two point zero heavyweights. Aspinall's showing a lot of the potential.

709
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he has the same dynamic upside as

710
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: Gon does in a lot of ways, but he's interesting.

711
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: But I think Alexander Volkoff when we know heavyweights age later.

712
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: He's very young, and he's got a frame, he's got

713
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: a toughness, he's got knockout ability, but can also point

714
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: fight and jab from distance. He's got a kickboxing ability.

715
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: And I think if you look at his fight with

716
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: Curtis Blades as as one of the early turning point

717
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: moments in his career where he could have been he

718
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, he got dominated early on the ground and

719
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: he could have sort of just faded away there, and

720
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: he fought around the back door and made that a

721
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: fight and would not stop getting up and trying. It

722
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: takes these guys a while to figure some things out.

723
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: You know, Volkoff looked like he was maybe on a

724
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: run when he got stopped by Derek Lewis that time

725
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: in the final seconds, in the final round of that fight.

726
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: That happens a lot in heavyweight. But I am interested

727
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: to see just as much as whether Spinall is one

728
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: of these heavyweights of the future, whether we are overlooking

729
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: whether Alexander Volkoff could be a heavyweight of now. Look,

730
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: Curtis Blade's never quite lived up to that potential that

731
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: he showed on multiple really on three occasions, the early

732
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: rise and then I got knocked out by Francis, although

733
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: look that early rise was very early, the second rise

734
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: when he got knocked out by Francis, and then the

735
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: third rise when he got knocked out by Derek Lewis,

736
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: and he never quite became that he may it may

737
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: still happen for him. I think Volkoff's closer to figuring

738
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: out how to get into that crust. And I think

739
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: we could end this calendar year going it might be

740
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: time for Alexander Volkoff for the world title. It might

741
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: be time for him to enter this conversation. Now, this

742
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: could be a clouded picture bottleneck depending on what happens

743
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: with in Ghanu the an interim title. John Jones stepe,

744
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: there's you know, we have got some players finally. But

745
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: I think Volkoff's yeah, I don't see a lot of holes,

746
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he's not great on the ground

747
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: for sure, but you know, those are one of those

748
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: skills that you keep improving your your your defense on there.

749
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: And I think if if he starts, if this becomes

750
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: a growing trend heavyweight wrestling, could that become a growing trend.

751
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that we have never seen heavyweights

752
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: wrestle before. You know, Couture Velasquez, you know, utilized that impressively,

753
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: but you don't see it a ton. Imagine if an Alexander

754
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: Volkov can get proficient enough to take a guy down

755
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: and use that frame to control on ground and pound.

756
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of improvement that can be

757
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: made here and I'm looking forward to this. Fay Also

758
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: UFC London on March nineteenth is the same card. Gooner

759
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: Nelson is back, expected to return against Claudio Silva. Uh interesting,

760
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: interesting fight here. I've never been Gunner Nelson, Gooner Nelson,

761
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: whoever you want to say it I'd try to say

762
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: things the right way and I end up saying them

763
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: the wrong way. But you know, our buddy from Iceland

764
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: is thirty three. He's lost two in a row to

765
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: elite competition Gilbert Burns on Leon Edwards has you know,

766
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: lost three or four overall, considering the Ponzinibbio lost. He

767
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: never quite fully I think, figured out where he he'd

768
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: looked to be going at certain times. He's always been

769
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: a you know, he's been a great training part to

770
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: coconom McGregor AT's and he's always been a tough out.

771
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: But at thirty three, is this the end or is

772
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: there a new life for him? I'm looking forward to

773
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: see that. He's a guy who's got a lot of

774
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: craft in that game. Can he put it all together?

775
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: I want to see that the fight announcement that's getting

776
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: blown up rightfully so because it's a sick matchup. Also

777
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: that same night, March nineteenth for UFC London, Dan Hooker

778
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: versus Arnold Allen, give me that shit, Give me that shit.

779
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: That's a great matchup. We have fears. We have fears

780
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: that Dan Hooker is so ambitious in his window to

781
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: be great that he's gonna wear himself out trying to

782
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: do that. We had those fears when he went when

783
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: he took on insane damage for five rounds against Dustin Poie,

784
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: but they fall well, right, and then gets stopped by Chandler,

785
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: and you know, and then he gets a win and

786
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: then a quick comeback and a turnaround, and you know,

787
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: I fear that Dan Hooker's on his way to being

788
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: the new Michael Johnson of the lightweight division. A guy

789
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: who's good enough to beat anybody at at any given night,

790
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: but can't figure it out enough to be great and

791
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: to win consistently, and maybe sometimes matches himself too aggressively

792
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: to get back in there. There's something missing in Dan Hooker.

793
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: And is it just a willingness to love to trade.

794
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Because when he came out and wrestled

795
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: two fights ago and looked really good doing that, You're like, Okay,

796
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: here's a guy who gets it. He sees that there

797
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: could be a fork in the road right now, depending

798
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: up how which path he's gonna go down. He's gonna

799
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: try to keep getting better and reinvent himself in all

800
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: that good stuff. And now this is a featherweight clash

801
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: with Dan Hooker moving down in wait and trying this

802
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: as an avenue. It's gonna be hard, but he's still

803
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: young enough to pull this off. If he can do that,

804
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: We've seen instances of it, of guys moving down and wait.

805
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: It happens a lot more in mma than in boxing.

806
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: Arnold Allen at twenty eight is very impressive and we

807
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: haven't seen him lost lose in the UFCS yet. He's

808
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: seventeen to one overall. What he's got eight straight wins

809
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: to open his UFC run. Now you know, outside of

810
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: an old Gilbert Melendez, he hasn't beaten you know, super

811
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: elite names, but he's beaten soundly the nick lenses, the

812
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: sadik Yusuff's, the Mad's Burnell, who we know, of course

813
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: from from Belator fame. Now this you love those fights

814
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: where it's veteran against guy on the rise, Which direction

815
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: is the winner going, which directions the loser head and

816
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of desperation move here for Dan Hooker,

817
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: but still young enough, still good enough where I hope

818
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: he finds a home here. And this fight will be

819
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: worth watching for many, many reasons in that regard, as

820
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: will this one a rematch set for April sixteenth, Jacente

821
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: Luke and blah blahamd Wow they go back to UFC

822
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: TWOL five. I distinctly remember their fight because that was

823
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: a big deal. That was a massive MSG card. That

824
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: was what the UFC's first MSG card, the return, you know,

825
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: the return to New York State. Finally after that, you know,

826
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: draconian rule from the damn you know, shifty senator there.

827
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: What the hell's that guy's name that's in jail now? Anyway,

828
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: they blew out that card rightfully. So two Tool five

829
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: is one of the best cards ever and in terms

830
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: of delivery. And I remember at ESPN dot com at

831
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: the time, I was the m editor. I was also

832
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: writing and doing on camera stuff. You know, we were

833
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: trying to blow up every story, every fight on that

834
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: card because it felt really big and uh this was

835
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: one of them, and it was contested close, and I

836
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: believe it was uh well Luk getting the knockout and

837
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: I did the interviews afterwards, uh you know, in that

838
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: prime backstage position next to next to Bronstett or next

839
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: to the Brazilian outlet, next to whomever else is there

840
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: the you know at that time, who had the deal

841
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: Fox Deal. So it's probably Megan o Levy in the

842
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: first spot and interviewed these guys one by one coming out,

843
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: and uh, it's wild that we're all the way back here,

844
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and these two are both hungry contenders, you know at

845
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: this moment, trying to break through. You've seen people react

846
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: to this and say, damn, Luk can't catch a break.

847
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: He can't you know, firmly make a move into the

848
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: upper core and they got to they gotta run back

849
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: Muhammad here. But Muhammed's a different fighter from that first meeting,

850
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: and he's on fire and he's figuring out how he

851
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: can be. Uh, this is one of those riddy fights

852
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: that you have to win to keep your title dreams

853
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: and hopes alive in a busy division. Very much looking

854
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: forward to it, as I am Chris Barnett to say

855
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: it as simply as possible. The fat guy who did

856
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: the spinning kick and then did the split right, the

857
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: heavyweight who made a you know, large debut for the UFC.

858
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: There he's gonna take on Martine Boudet on April sixteenth. Yeah,

859
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: let me see some Chris Barnett. So here's the deal.

860
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: Whether it's you know Bellatore, which has Big Tuna coming

861
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: back this weekend, or whether it's UFC, which I think

862
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: we've seen more of this throughout the pandemic, where the

863
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: hungry get rewarded if you're willing to take fights in

864
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: short notice and fill in the last minute and maybe

865
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: take short pay, you know, think of the guys who

866
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: had big twenty twenties, Think of like Kevin Holland Hamzat Chimayev.

867
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: Billy h made a big move in twenty twenty to

868
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: get us to notice him. There's opportunities here to make fights.

869
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: I want to say. The problem. I don't know if

870
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: it's a problem. Not everybody's a great fighter right now.

871
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Everybodys really good. But you if she's doing a really

872
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: good job right now in the Dana Hye Contender series

873
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: is a great factory if you will, for that is

874
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: finding fun TV fighters. I don't know if Chris Bartnett's

875
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: a real heavyweight, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

876
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: These must see TV from the celebration to the interview

877
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: to the uh. People love Daniel Cormier loves this guy.

878
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: I like that we're getting more characters back into the

879
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 1: game of late, and again maybe it's just these guys

880
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: are hungry, they're at a certain level. They look good

881
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: at this level. Eventually, when they climb out of this level,

882
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: you know, they get they get humbled and they get

883
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: sent back down and that that's sort of the the

884
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, life cycle, the food chain of this sport.

885
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: But uh, I feel like, really the last two three years,

886
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: we've had more of these type of fighters. I mean,

887
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: look at what's her name from over the weekend, Vanessa Demopolis.

888
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if she's a real fight.

889
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know if Cheyenne Velismus is a real fighter.

890
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: Pretty damn fun to watch they go after it. Chris

891
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Barnett is another one of those guys, indeed, and you know,

892
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: I love this matchmaking and it's a rebooking and it's

893
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: going to go down. UFC Fight Night April twenty third,

894
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: when Macy Barber, who got the big win against Miranda

895
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: Maverick that she badly needed. But I don't think I'm

896
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: fully back on team Macy Barber, future youngest champion in

897
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: UFC history. She's got a tough fight against Montana de

898
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: la Rosa, and now you know Montana's another one of

899
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: these fights, Like we know about her for a while,

900
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: had a little bit of up and down, starting to

901
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: put some wins together. But does she have the game

902
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: that's gonna jump to that next level? Does she have

903
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: the finishing ability or is she dominant enough in one

904
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: skill where she can create enough of a divide against

905
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: this level of matchmaking to show us that she's ready

906
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: for the next level. Well, these are those type of

907
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: matchups that show us that because Barber's gonna come out aggressively,

908
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: she always does, Montana's a little bit longer, a little

909
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: bit more technical, can take the fight to the ground.

910
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: I like this matchup a lot, very very interested to

911
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: see where this is going. And Antonina Chefchenko one week later,

912
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: April thirtieth, she'll be back against Courtney Casey. And you know,

913
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm not looking up the records right now. I'm not

914
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna outright call this a loser leaves Town match, but

915
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: I you know, kind of starting to smell like one.

916
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: And Antonino. Nina Chefchenko's not young. She's a fantastic striker.

917
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: She's very decorated in her Muay Thai and kickboxing background,

918
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: as is her sister. But when she gets exposed in

919
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: that octagon, which has happened here and there. She gets

920
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: exposed bad and she gets handled and she gets beat up.

921
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be as well, another interesting fight. I

922
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: don't know what it is about. I mean, UFC has

923
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: done a better job marketing, not just marketing female fights

924
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: and female fighters, better than boxing or really any other

925
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: mma promotion. I mean, obviously we always give credit for

926
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: Strikeforce for in this, you know, being the foundation for

927
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: the pioneering that happened with Chris Cyborg and Gina Carano

928
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: and you know, transitioning to Tate and Rousey and all that.

929
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: And you know UFC built upon that right and really

930
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: just graduated those fighters up to them. But there's just something,

931
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I get so into the storylines of these

932
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: female fights, sin this is it because I'm just some

933
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: old creeper dad who has too much Instagram time. Maybe

934
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: it's possible, but they do a better job at sort of.

935
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's probably the debate we always

936
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: have if you look at the four women's divisions in

937
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: the UFC, and that's why strawweight is so loaded and

938
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: consistent and always recycling the top ten, but yet always

939
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, coming up with new fun names aggressive fighters.

940
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: That could be something, but maybe it's just the larger

941
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: congregation of talented fighters is around that you know, weight

942
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: size and them as possible. But I just think that

943
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: sometimes you get a whole hum men's undercard fight and

944
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, that one one of the two

945
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: fighters might be good. But then you get a similarly

946
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: imagine women's one and it's just like, no, I like this,

947
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: I like this a little bit spicy. Here, there's there's

948
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: there's I don't know. Maybe maybe it's just me. Maybe

949
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, maybe I am who I am. Okay,

950
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: Macy Jason on May seventh, UFC two seventy four are

951
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: also going to fight Norma Dumont. That would be one

952
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: of those rare ones. Or maybe BC doesn't have a

953
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: storyline hook for you and it's just another fight, all right.

954
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes that happens. Thank you. That's topic two. Let's move

955
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: for to topic three. This Saturday night, ten pm Eastern,

956
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957
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958
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: First card of the new year for Bellatour. That's a

959
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: big deal on top Ryan Vader, fresh off losing but

960
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: looking good for the most part in the light Heavyweight

961
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: World Grand Prix. Of course, he lost his light heavyweight

962
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: title to videem Themkoff before that, but wasn't able to

963
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: get over the hump, wasn't able to make a full

964
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: run at the title like we knew was possible. But

965
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: he's back in the heavyweight division where he is the

966
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: defending acting champion. But Valentine Moldowski, who won the interim

967
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: belt with a sound, thorough unanimous decision over Tim Johnson,

968
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: who was game on this night, is Valentine Moldowski. You

969
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: know what's your biggest storyline here, BC, is Valentine Moldowski,

970
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: the next one in line of this larger wave that's

971
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: happening now and UFC. The wave that I'm talking about

972
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: has a lot more to do with Shmesh Factory neck beards,

973
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: Abe Lincoln Daugistan guys, and they're then they're extended brethrens

974
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: Chechens and all them around. I mean, look those guys,

975
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: they they fricking bring it. Beltzer's got a few of

976
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: them too, But in general, Belatore is just doing such

977
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: a damn great job. Whether it's Daugistan, whether it's Ukraine,

978
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, Mother Russia. Uh, and I'm not

979
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: it's it's not lost on me. The you know, the

980
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: war and political and all the threat. You knows, a

981
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: lot a lot going on in the world outside of

982
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: the cage. But just in MMA relations here, Beltzer's doing

983
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: such a great job finding these guys and and giving

984
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: them platforms to to show how great they have the

985
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: potential to be. And that's a deem Nemkov at light heavyweight,

986
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: that's Yaroslav Amasov at at welterweight, the new champions. It's uh,

987
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: you know Usmann and Maga Metof and and Mago med

988
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Maga Metoff and at Bannam. I mean there's on and on, right,

989
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean on and on. Here is Valentine Moldovsky of

990
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: that ILK representing Team Fador, like Nemkov is uh, Fador's

991
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: trained in his corner, his mentor and all that. Or

992
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: is he just an aggressive wrestler who had a good

993
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: win over Mulduff's over Johnson and you know, we're gonna

994
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: find out that that's an interesting storyline. It's a big

995
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: question coming in, just as big of the question of

996
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: who is Ryan Bator. Right now, you give this guy

997
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: so much credit because he left UFC as a free

998
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: agent on his own terms and went to Bellator and

999
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: probably made more money, as you hear Cory Anderson say,

1000
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: a lot than he did before and was probably treated better.

1001
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: And look, you know he had hit his limit, Ryan

1002
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: Bader in the UFC, meaning you had a much better

1003
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: record in win streak than maybe people will remember. Well,

1004
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't overly overly an aggressive marketer of himself and

1005
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: could get one punch ko at the highest level when

1006
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: he steps up, right, you know, if I kind of

1007
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: found his ceiling. Well, then he goes to Bellator finds

1008
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: out that you know, damn he's pretty damn good at

1009
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: heavyweight with the quick hands and the wrestling ability and

1010
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: the stamina, and you know, he can win two titles

1011
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: in the same division. And it was a perfect storm

1012
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: and that heavyweight World Grand where he just dominated. But yeah,

1013
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: it look great. Since then, it look good too questionable,

1014
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: And I say, look, that lost to Nemcough is Nemcov

1015
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: being a badass that yet that lost to Nemcough is

1016
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: mostly the fact that Vadim Nemcoff is ready and he's

1017
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: he's among the best light heavyweights in the damn world

1018
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: right now. They are also kind of it's himself in

1019
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: that fight. I don't know if it was an implosion distraction.

1020
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's honest and saying that things weren't

1021
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: right in the camp and his personal life heading into

1022
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: that it's an excuse. Well sometimes it's an excuse that

1023
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: that gives a shot of realism into what might have

1024
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: went on. And I think since that loss, even though

1025
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: he rebounded a little bit and you know, won his

1026
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: first round matchup in the in the light Heavyweight World

1027
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: Grand Prix and had his sight set on regaining the title,

1028
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: and you know, took the decision over Macheeda in the rematch,

1029
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: but it's Machetah. Well, then he gets stopped in the

1030
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: first round by Corey Anderson, and you know, in fifty

1031
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: one seconds, Corey Anderson hot right now and as a

1032
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: legitimate shot of winning this light everywheight title in this tournament.

1033
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: But is he the kind of guy that finishes you

1034
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: in fifty one seconds? I think there's just as big

1035
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: of a storyline here of whether you know, for Ryan Bader,

1036
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: it's getting time. He's thirty eight you know, he's lost

1037
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: seven times, and how many of those losses have been stoppages? Well,

1038
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: how about every single one? So not all by tko

1039
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, submissions in there. But I'm wondering if Moldoski

1040
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: can come out and really, i mean, look, it's gonna

1041
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: be an uphill battle from the stamp by that. Madovski

1042
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: can wrestle, but Bader can wrestle. So will that cancel

1043
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: each other out? And if it completely cancels each other out?

1044
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: Is Baider just the better boxerund the feet? Yeah, I'd

1045
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: say Batter's the better boxer on the feet. I'm just

1046
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: not sure Muldovski's not gonna find a way to take

1047
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: this to the ground. I'm not sure He's not gonna

1048
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: be able to use just his motor and his aggression

1049
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: and the wisdom of Fador, who also lost to Ryan

1050
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: Bater in the finals of that Heavyweight World Grand Prix

1051
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: to you know, fran Bader is on the way out.

1052
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: Muldowski's certainly good enough to get him there. So there's

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Speaker 1: there's some very interesting storyline in that regard in terms

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00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: of of is the you know, not the Russian takeover,

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00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: although that's part of it. But this overall Eastern European

1056
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: takeover in Bellator, is it? Is it coming? Can we

1057
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: not get out of the way of it? It's gonna

1058
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: be interesting. Also, Benson Henderson coming back in that comain

1059
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: event against Islam Mamadov Mamadov on fire for Bellator thirty

1060
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: one years old, trying to also join that group, right,

1061
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: trying to also get Smesh factory consideration here. This is

1062
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: a win he's got to get. Benson Henderson's still tricky enough,

1063
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: but you know he's on the other end. He's on

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00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: the other side of it, so this is interesting. Also,

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00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: Aiden Lee Henry Corral should be good. A couple of

1066
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: names up and down the card, including one Ben Parish,

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00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: Big Tuna. I talk about TV friendly fighters who can

1068
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: entertain just as much as they can compete. Yeah, this

1069
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: guy's potentially one of them. I mean, yeah, the big

1070
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: upset Ko. He's back here against a fellow by the

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00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: name of Sullivan and Cawie. I don't know how tough

1072
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: this matchmaking actually is, but he went in there against

1073
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: Edwards and and and shut the door and was like,

1074
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, don't judge a hairy, white, fat guy. And

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00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: then to have big tune afterwards talking about you know,

1076
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: mom my, Dad's and the mafia and all this, like

1077
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: it's like a storyline to Ozark season four right here.

1078
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: You know, tune in, can't miss it. There So Belatore

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00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: two seventy three going on down this Saturday night. We

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00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: have a special guest on Friday to preview this more

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00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: in depth and get you ready for the weekend. There So,

1082
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: swig of water for the working man of Stone Cold

1083
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Wood paraphrase to say, topic number four. This will be

1084
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: a quick one because I don't want you to sigh

1085
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: and turn the channel here. But uh, Jake Paul buying

1086
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: Endeavor stock. Wow. Okay, So this little bit of news

1087
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: created an interesting little debate on Twitter. Our boy Aaron Bronstetter,

1088
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: who's a you know, he's MK approved. He's filled in

1089
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: admirably for Luke Thomas or myself in the past from TSN.

1090
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: We love that guy. I don't know what got in

1091
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: that guy's a crack in Canada over the weekend, but

1092
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: he was coming out guns blazon arguing with Darren Ravel

1093
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: Ariel Hawani about the true meaning of this. I get

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00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: what ab who has a voracious vinyl appetite By the way,

1095
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: great guy, have met him. I get what AB's saying. Look,

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00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: so you're telling me, Jake Paul just went on the

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00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, the freaking public NASDEK or whatever you want

1098
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: to call it, and just bought some public stockcare of Endeavor. Cool.

1099
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: I could have done that too. You're right, You're right.

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00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't think this is bigger than that in terms

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00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: of like, oh, Jake Paul didn't just just uh, let's

1102
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: see the actual tweet here. Jake Paul says, I've invested

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00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 1: in Endeavor stock with my partner, Jeffrey Wu to focus

1104
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: on UFC's ESG standards relating to fighters. We believe Indeavor

1105
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: can drive long term economic value by increasing UFC fighter

1106
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: pay and providing them healthcare, reaching out to engine number

1107
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: one to partner on this endeavor. Now, is this Jake

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00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: Paul teaming up with some super rich guys and buying

1109
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, thirty nine percent of of the Steak and

1110
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: Endeavor and now going to be sitting in the board

1111
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: meetings and making important decisions regarding UFC's future. Nah, brah okay.

1112
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't have the financials in front of me, but

1113
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: that's not where it's going. And That's why Aaron Bronstetter

1114
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: came off. He kind of came off UFC brass friendly

1115
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: with his response. But I get his response, a what

1116
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: a polite Canadian fellow, who's you know really? I mean,

1117
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: he's been enjoying free healthcare for so long. Maybe he

1118
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: should slip his stance and get on board here. But

1119
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: I have to bring this up, and I have to

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00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: laugh at it because I've seen some people even debating

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00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: with Twitter polls, who has been more important in the

1122
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: UFC fighter pay debate in the last year. Francis Seganto,

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00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: who's standing out alone on that mountaintop right on top

1124
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: of Mount Washington as those hurricane force winds are coming.

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00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: Or Jake Paul, who has you know, used his platform,

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00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: whether he's doing it earnestly as a Robin Hood or

1127
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: he's doing it slowly to try to get under Dana

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00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: White's skin for the hope that White will start releasing

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00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: his aging welterweight marketable UFC fighters, so the much bigger

1130
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: Paul can box against them. Probably probably the major intention there.

1131
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: But somewhere along the way, Jake Paul said, this is

1132
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: important to me to try to expose my rival in

1133
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: this case, as a is Dana White a rival for

1134
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,959
Speaker 1: Jake Paul. I get Jake Paul's a fighter promoter, puts

1135
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: on massive events, looking for big opponents to help him

1136
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: put on massive events. In some ways, he's a competitor.

1137
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: So I just think it's hilarious that he's finding new

1138
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: ways to publicly clown them. And maybe this is just

1139
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: him putting a couple bucks out of his pocket and

1140
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: bind some endeavor, you know, stock and maybe, like Ab says,

1141
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, I can do that too. But I think

1142
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: it's hilarious and it's continuing this important trend in topic.

1143
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: And I know we maybe getting to the point where

1144
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: even listeners of the show are like, Okay, cool, I

1145
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: want the fighters to be paid more, but we have

1146
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: to talk about it for forty two minutes per MK episode.

1147
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying there, but you want people

1148
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: in these spots who have either leverage or influence to

1149
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: make it a conversation. Luke and I can't make it

1150
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: a massive conversation. We talk about it. Ariel could talk

1151
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: about it. He does. Other people talk about it. We

1152
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: can't move it. We can't move mountains. It's up to

1153
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: the fighters to do that well, here's someone with a

1154
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: little bit more not leverage, but influence than even you know,

1155
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: the MMA journalism bubble has and Jake Paul and he's

1156
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: doing this so it's funny. It's funny to see how

1157
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: much it gets to Dana. And if you don't think

1158
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: it does, look at the Dana's reaction video, which you know,

1159
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: in the midst of that trolling that Jake was doing.

1160
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: Look at Francis saying UFC threatened to sue them for

1161
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: talking to Nikisa and Jacob. It's interesting. It's pretty damn interesting. Finally,

1162
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: quick hitters to roll out to end topic number five

1163
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: before we get into BCI's top ten list report. The

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00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: WBA has ordered one Roley Romero as the next mandatory

1165
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: challenger to fight Giravante Tank Davis. Now Tank Davis has

1166
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: the secondary title, the regular title there at one hundred

1167
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: and thirty five pounds the WBA, which is the secondary

1168
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: sort of BS one. And we'll get a lot of

1169
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: arguments in the boxing journalism games. Sometimes the networks, sometimes

1170
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: even showtime, you know, will promote a title as being

1171
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: the championship of the world when it's really like one

1172
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: of the four or the secondary to one of the four.

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00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: To the WBA's credit, they're trying to clean up, so

1174
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: they're trying to the reason why this fight's being ordered

1175
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: is because Tank Davis has the regular WBA lightweight title. Obviously,

1176
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: George Campbosis Junior has the real one because he beat

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00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: Tayo Feima Lopez, but Roly Romero has the third level

1178
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: bastardized WBA lightweight title. So the very least they're getting

1179
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: them to fight each other to take one of these

1180
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: fake belts off the market. I could support that. Roly Romero,

1181
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: as we talked about in MK in recent weeks, did

1182
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: go public and said he's been cleared of all sexual

1183
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: allegations it charges. I'm not sure about that, you know,

1184
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: take him at his word. But would I still be

1185
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: here for Gervonte Davis versus Roly Romero, Yeah, I think

1186
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: I would. Here's the deal as long as he's gonna last,

1187
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: meaning as long as Roly Romero can can face elite

1188
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: competition and not get consistently chaoed or you know, and

1189
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: he like handled like think like a mere con right

1190
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: who has so much ability but goes in there just

1191
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: gets handled until that happens. He's Musty TV and I

1192
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I don't agree with everything he

1193
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: does or say, but he's not afraid of these guys.

1194
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: So there is sort of this weird wah for me

1195
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: to see him go in there against the power brokers

1196
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: and trash talk them and be absurd and ridiculous knowing, Hey,

1197
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: I got a puncher's chance. I'm unorthodox. I I hosted

1198
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: that press conference when this fight was originally going to

1199
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: be scheduled for December, and him and his trainer were like, Man,

1200
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: we don't teach boxing, okay, we teach street fighting. I mean,

1201
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a different It's just a different mindset,

1202
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: a different strategy. He's got big time power. He's going

1203
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: in there to knock you out. Could Tank do bad

1204
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: things too? Yeah he could. But uh maybe I'm a

1205
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: sucker for fights that have trash talk fueled soundtracks coming in.

1206
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: That's probably more of the reality of the situation. Tough

1207
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: news per se here. You know how fired up I

1208
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: was getting that Dezonne and Eddie Hearn we're gonna be

1209
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: rolling out in the next couple of months, a trilogy

1210
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: fight that I have to see at super flyweight one

1211
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: hundred fifteen pounds, the legend Chuck Aledo, Chuckle Latito, excuse

1212
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: the truck Aledos like an asshole Roman Choco Latito Gonzalez,

1213
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: the four division champion, right the former pound for pound

1214
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: king who's in his twilight, but as he proved in

1215
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: his second fight with Juan Francisco Estrada last year, a

1216
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: legit fight of the Year contender, Chocolatito still got it.

1217
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: And it's wild that Chocolatito still has it. You age

1218
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: quickly in the smallest of weight divisions, and he's operated

1219
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: his whole career at one oweight, one twelve, now one

1220
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: point fifteen. He's been able to carry his power up

1221
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: to protect himself, but he's in there against bigger guys

1222
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: when he finally lost on that incredible run he was on,

1223
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: and part of that run, by the way, was the

1224
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: first meeting against Strata back in twenty twelve, when Estrada

1225
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: gave him the toughest fight he had during that whole

1226
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: rain until he met Streisa cat sore Rung Vasai, And

1227
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: if he didn't watch the two Chocolatito fights against Srisaket

1228
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: sor Rungvisai from Thailand, sour Rung Visai. He has like

1229
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: a whole different real name, like his birth name is

1230
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: like Wong's collect walking them something like that. I know

1231
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: I butchered it. He's one of those guys, which is

1232
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: the Thai tradition to sort of sell your name to

1233
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: a sponsor. We've seen Thai boxers who have gone by

1234
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: the names of Fossan three K Battery before because they

1235
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: sell their names to companies or gyms or whatever. So

1236
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: this Srisa cat name is just some sponsor that he

1237
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: sold it to. This guy's freaking crazy. Where's the tall

1238
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: Sox like Keith van Horn big for the division each

1239
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: a celebratory meal of grilled rat. Yes, when he knocked

1240
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: out Chocolatito and their rematch in twenty seventeen, I believe

1241
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: he showed up at the airport in Bangkok and they

1242
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: had plates of grilled rat him. He finally ended the

1243
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: Chocolatito rain or so it seemed. They fought to a

1244
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: very close decision in the first fight, one of the

1245
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: most brutal fights I was ever ringside for a Madison

1246
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: Square Garden, and in the rematch, so Rung beside knocked

1247
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: Chocola Tito the hell out. The fact that Chocolateo has

1248
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: come back from that at this age, and he was

1249
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: going to go into a third fight with Estrata when

1250
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: they had that rematch last year and it was amazing

1251
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: and everybody thought Chocola Tito should have won, and then

1252
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: Estrada got the controversial decision, and you're like, damn great fight.

1253
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: Both guy are warriors. But chucol Latito the legend, right,

1254
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: he's in that like legendary phase where everything he does,

1255
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: anytime he wins, it's just like, oh man, that we

1256
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: love this guy the legend. Well, they were gonna fight

1257
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: a third time. Estrada ruled out though of their March

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Speaker 1: fifth meeting due to Covid. And by the way, uh

1259
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Speaker 1: I still want Chocola Tito have a third fight with

1260
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: uh Thresia cats or rung Visa, who I mentioned, who's

1261
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: gonna be fighting Carlos Quadras coming up in a rematch.

1262
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: So this division is still on fire. But you know what,

1263
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: chocolate you know it's gonna do. He's not gonna stay

1264
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: in the division. This guy's so great that on March fifth,

1265
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: instead of fighting estradah West Covid, He's gonna move up

1266
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: to super flyweight one hundred and eighteen pounds, which is

1267
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: basically what bandam way, what a super flyway, super flyweights,

1268
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: bantamway right, and he's gonna fight who, he says, our

1269
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,919
Speaker 1: Martinez who comes after it? Guys, I know ninety percent

1270
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: of people listening, like KBC, we already heard Vince McMahon's name,

1271
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: Jake Paul's name, and now we gotta go on like

1272
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: small boxers, but we don't know what I get that

1273
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: you should know the journey of Chocolatito Gonzales though from Nicaragua.

1274
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: The legend this is uh, this is wild because he's

1275
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: already been in full on there to be great mode

1276
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: and now his big rival Estrada pulls out, so he's like, yeah,

1277
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: I'll just move up and wait and find another young

1278
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: badass cool. Sure, Sure, that's great. I'll be there. I'll

1279
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: be there at tune and love you some Chocolatito. Also tomorrow,

1280
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: Wu'smann interesting interview gave I Believe with GQ Magus where

1281
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: he said, look, I want to do something big, Den

1282
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: Mike Rare. I want to, you know, make a pound

1283
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: for pound move. He said it would be on paper

1284
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: and theory to move up to middleweight and fight Israel Asnya, right,

1285
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: and I think you know, given Usman's incredible winning streak,

1286
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: the fact that he's become a finisher, you could talk

1287
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: yourself into the idea of whether his wrestling, you know,

1288
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: would work against Asnia and all that. But we know

1289
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: they won't fight each other. They're they're you know, their

1290
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: their brethren and and uh and I respect that. So

1291
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: he said that before Jan Blohovich lost his title de

1292
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: Gliver to Shia, Usman's working plan was to skip oneint

1293
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 1: eighty five and move up two divisions to two oh

1294
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: five and take on Yan Blahovich, who he felt was

1295
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: sort of the perfect style matchup for him to try

1296
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: to do something as crazy as that. Damn Now, it's

1297
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: not you know, Jan lost his title. It's not gonna happen.

1298
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't really make a ton of sense. It would

1299
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: make It would make more sense if you're Usman probably

1300
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: to try to get as many money fights as you

1301
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: can right now and then wait to see what happens

1302
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: in the middleway. If you don't want to fight out Asny,

1303
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: I get that Waker could beat him. For all we know,

1304
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: autus Sonia can move up and wait. For all we know,

1305
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: but the idea of moving up too like that would

1306
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: have been a spectacle. Could he have done it? I

1307
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean, Atosani came in there as

1308
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: a smaller, more skilled guy, and you know, Blahovich was

1309
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: smart to just kind of pull an anganu gun on

1310
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: him and use his size to hold him down and

1311
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: control that. Okay, who spants a different fighter. He's a wrestler,

1312
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: he's aggressive, he's athletic as shit. You know. Now he

1313
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: can punch a little bit, but that punch of power

1314
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: is not gonna matter at two o five. I don't

1315
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: see how that fights a great sort of option at like, yeah,

1316
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: I can make history here. But the fact that he's

1317
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: bold enough to say he would have done it, it's

1318
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: one of those guys that I do believe him. I

1319
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: do believe him. It was in his thoughts, in his mind,

1320
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: it would have been a spectacle to see. I wonder

1321
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: if if we're gonna see an era of this. It's

1322
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: not that we haven't seen guys willing to try to

1323
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: test history. So Whodo just wanted to fight Volkanovski for

1324
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: a third title? We know Connor is always a threat

1325
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: to fight anybody at some stupid weight just you know,

1326
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: because he's that these old school he's of that ILK.

1327
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: I wonder if we start to see a little bit

1328
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: more of that. You're never gonna see a return to

1329
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: the original days of MMA in early UFC and no

1330
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: weight classes all that, nor should we really, right, although

1331
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: some one of these days, somebody with a lot of

1332
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: money is gonna make a nostalgic one night tournament. I

1333
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: don't mean like a combat, I mean like somebody with

1334
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: a lot of money's it's gonna make a nostalgic, open night,

1335
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: open weight one night tournament. Maybe it'll be fun for

1336
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: one night, but it's not a sustainable long term model.

1337
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: But a move like this for usman is I mean,

1338
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: that's that small guy going up against a huge guy.

1339
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: That's uh. I wonder if we'll see a trend of that,

1340
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, trends happened in this game. I wonder if

1341
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: that ever becomes what It's interesting. PFL announces multi year

1342
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: broadcast deal with ESPN. That was gonna be an interesting

1343
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: note because PFL is coming off their best season to

1344
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 1: date by far. They seem they seem best fueled to

1345
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: really make a run at Belator for the number two

1346
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: MMA promotion overall behind UFCN two become like a legitimate

1347
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: home for free agents because they can offer you the

1348
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,439
Speaker 1: one million dollar prize in the tournament format. They're doing

1349
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: fun things like bringing in Clarissa Shields as an attraction.

1350
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: If they can resign Kayla Harrison, which you know we're

1351
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to see, that's another big giant attraction elite,

1352
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, arguably the best in her weight class or

1353
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: that you can argue it until we see that that

1354
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: proven wrong. And they just launched what on Fubu Fubo TV,

1355
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: a challenger series, so you know they got big time sponsorship,

1356
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: not sponsorship, celebrity ownership stake in this company. There's a

1357
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: lot of money behind PFL. We gonna remember that. But

1358
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: all things consider them getting the deal, ESPN probably made

1359
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: the most sense in congrats to them. ESPN's attention and devotion,

1360
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: of course is the UFC, but with the with the

1361
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: arm of ESPN plus being a you know, in a

1362
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: lot of ways, a big time home for combat sports

1363
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: competing against showtime app you know, with Bellator and PBC

1364
01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: competing against others, it's still a very large platform to

1365
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: be on. Obviously you're on ESPN too. It's important. Well

1366
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: they get a lot of Sports Center love. Probably not

1367
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: as much, but if you get big enough names or attractions,

1368
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, you can get featured on there too. Congrats

1369
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: to PFL. I'm very interested to see how they can

1370
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: build on everything that went right last year, and it

1371
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: was a lot. I think a lot went right. I

1372
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: think they're broadcasts where off to a level they hadn't

1373
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: been before, from the talent calling the fights to the

1374
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: look Okay, maybe a little bit too much of the

1375
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: on screen graphics to make Luke mad. I mean, how

1376
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: smart is a cage? Actually, well, they got the smartest

1377
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: cage apparently, all right, but you know, this probably was

1378
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: an expected decision and it's probably the smartest one for

1379
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: them to go back to ESPN. And finally, Juliana Pana

1380
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: has had talks with UFC about coaching the Ultimate Fighter

1381
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: against Amanda Newness to set up a rematch. Quote to

1382
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: BT Sports, Juliana said, a dream come true would be

1383
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: for me to coach Tough and then go right into

1384
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: the rematch. That's a perfect world scenario. I know we

1385
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: don't live in a perfect world, but that's what I

1386
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 1: would like as long as I can get that rematch

1387
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: at whatever time. That's what's gonna make me the happiest. Yeah,

1388
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: it has Painia. I'm sorry, yad Has, so I mean

1389
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: we'll see Painia said yad Has was a reference to Yes,

1390
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: talks have happened with the UFC. Okay, if you're UFC,

1391
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: it's probably a smart move because here's the interesting situation.

1392
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 1: Is the jury still out. If that was a one

1393
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: night perfect storm upset of a lifetime aberration because you

1394
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: had a fighter who was hungry and skilled enough to

1395
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: produce a performance that great, but needed a perfect storm

1396
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: to do that of her long journey to get there,

1397
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: mixed with whatever was wrong with Amanda, And something was

1398
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: wrong with Amanda, Let's be straight up about it. Whether

1399
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: it was lack of preparation, lack of focus, whether she

1400
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: got lured into getting gassed out on the ground, whatever

1401
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: it was, something was not right. And now we got

1402
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: Amanda switching teams or it's starting her own team. There

1403
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: is there's some upside here in Juliana Payne because she

1404
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: can talk and and she's she had the kind of

1405
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,839
Speaker 1: victory over Amanda that like it's it's Buster Douglas Tyson,

1406
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's like, Okay, we knew that, we

1407
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: know she's capable of something, right, but I didn't think

1408
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: it was just capable of that. And it was so

1409
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: much as I've said at nauseum, that win wasn't her

1410
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: striking ability or her gas tank. It was her will.

1411
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: It was the conquering of the human spirit. It was

1412
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, no more excuses. I Am going to find

1413
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: out how great I can be on this one night.

1414
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: There's potential marketing there. And if UFC believes and they're

1415
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: shrewd with matchmaking, you know, we argued coming. I wonder

1416
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: if they thought FIGUREDO was on the way out and

1417
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: that moreno in that trilogy, it was the perfect time

1418
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: to further build on his potential at stardom. I wonder

1419
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: if they look at this closely and say, maybe Amanda's

1420
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: just not long for thirty five or this sport anymore,

1421
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: or maybe this is a fighter who just potentially could

1422
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: have her number because she's fearless and she's old. Maybe

1423
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: the tough vehicle is the right vehicle to market her

1424
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: and to and to use this, you know, her against

1425
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time and a big money rematch,

1426
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 1: that would be a great way to make that potentially

1427
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: a big money rematch because coming in there wasn't a

1428
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: lot of buzz on it, and there's and for as

1429
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: great as Amanda is, I'm not getting into this Darren

1430
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: Ravel versus Dana White twitter argument. But you know that

1431
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: she's got such a great story, and she's got so

1432
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: many great wins, and she's got such a great ambassador

1433
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: for the sport. But but you know, there's been there's

1434
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: a ceiling to her marketing level and now you've got

1435
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: her in a really important, interesting, sexy match up here.

1436
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: Go to the tough route for this, do it. I

1437
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: think it's important. I think it's interesting. And I don't know.

1438
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if Payne is going to lose that

1439
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: rematch and uh and never be this great again. I

1440
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: don't know if Payne is going to go out there

1441
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: and somehow win that even easier? You know, is can

1442
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: she find the self destruct button and newness you know

1443
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: that we didn't think was there? And and or you know,

1444
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: are we just waiting for Valentine to move up and

1445
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: fight her. I think either way, Julian's gonna make a

1446
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 1: lot of money and there's there's a there's a window

1447
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: here for her to be a star. She wants it.

1448
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: She's very good on the mic, very good representer of

1449
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: a fighter in this game. So it's interesting. Yeaff, are

1450
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: you there with me? Geff? Jeff, I think I have

1451
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: the ability to talk to you here. I've been trying

1452
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: to get Gaff out to the masses for a while.

1453
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: Geff is like the backbone of what we do here.

1454
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: More in common him and him and Minich, Jef, are

1455
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: you there? Is he in the restroom? Yeah, I'm here,

1456
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: bat all right here, I'm here, he is, there's Gaff.

1457
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: There's my now, Geff, are you you know? I've been

1458
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: pushing for a while for you and Miniche to get

1459
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: the Jay Aaron treatment, the microphone, the camera.

1460
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1461
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: I want to make you guys a part of what

1462
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: we do here. Now, Minich, if we could be honest

1463
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: with each other. He saw the way Jay Aaron was

1464
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: presented in what that meant to Jay Aaron's music career

1465
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 1: after and you guys are talented. You're not just you know,

1466
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: work the ones and twos on MK. You guys are

1467
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: all working on your own music careers on the side.

1468
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: Is that by Miniche to say, look, I don't want

1469
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 1: to be an unlockable character in the MK universe because

1470
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna clown my art like they did Jay Air.

1471
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: Is that what you're thinking?

1472
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: Uh No, My thought process was, you know, mistakes that

1473
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: you call out on the show, I don't want them

1474
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 3: being tied to me personally or my persona. Y I'm

1475
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:21,919
Speaker 3: not usually the one making those mistakes.

1476
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: Got it, got it?

1477
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's the qualms for me about this.

1478
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: So you're like an NFL referee or like the NBA referee,

1479
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: Like the least amount of times we say your name

1480
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: per show is better for your brand, better for you know,

1481
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: visual exactly. Okay, I thought, we know you're doing your job.

1482
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Gaff. I'll be teeing you up

1483
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: shortly as we throw to some fun video content. All right,

1484
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: let's get into a recurring segment we have on here.

1485
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: We've done that in the past. I think the last

1486
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: time I did a solo show, when Luke was out,

1487
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: I counted down the the top ten fights I've ever

1488
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: been to in person. I have fun with some of

1489
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: these right now, So today I've got a new topic.

1490
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: It's not the top ten interviews he has ever done,

1491
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: because that'd be a fun top ten list of me

1492
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: getting sent to hell. But interviews are such a big

1493
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: part of this show and in general, not the live show,

1494
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: but the larger MK experience to this job as a

1495
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote MMA journalist. And you know, across this game,

1496
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: when either you're getting pitched interviews or you're reaching out

1497
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: to UFC to get interviews, you're looking at you know,

1498
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: I want agree, I want to make a great interview.

1499
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: I want to be the dance partner in something special here.

1500
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: I want to get inside on these guys if you will,

1501
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: and make them say something they didn't think they were

1502
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: going to say coming in. It's not tricking them, but

1503
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: if you better believe there is a psychology in this

1504
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: and what you get across the board is a mixed bag,

1505
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: just like you do in life, of different personalities, some

1506
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: people that hold the cards close to their vest, some

1507
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: people that just can't help themselves, but make every interview

1508
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: a success and fun in engaging there's personalities of all kinds.

1509
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: So I said, you know what, why don't I share

1510
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of the inside of how the sausage

1511
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: was made? Why don't I count down the ten best

1512
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: interview subjects in MMA which fighters are BCS ten favorite

1513
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: to interview? And why, what's it like to prepare for them?

1514
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: What are your expectations? All of that stuff. So it's

1515
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna have a little fun here as we enter into

1516
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: another BC's top ten. All right, all right, there we go.

1517
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: That was weird enough. My ten favorite interviews in MMA,

1518
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: not my ten favorite specific interviews, but who gets me jazz?

1519
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: I've I've been covering mixed martial arts on a national

1520
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: level since twenty twelve, i'd say, as an editor for

1521
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: ESPN dot com, ventual writer, podcast host for ESPN transition

1522
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: to CBS Sports. You know, I didn't just start covering

1523
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: MMA last year, as many people believe. But I want

1524
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: to throw a couple honorable mentions before I break it

1525
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: down the top ten. First off, two retired guys. They'd

1526
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: be here in a second, and they worked. I think

1527
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier, over my run, has been my favorite person.

1528
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: I think he's the best interview in mixed martial arts.

1529
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: It's no surprise that he's transitioned so well into a

1530
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 1: broadcasting career. I think at his peak as a fighter,

1531
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier was charismatic and funny, he was humble, and

1532
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: he was honest. And when you are looking to conduct

1533
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: and perform a high level interview, whether you're in this

1534
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: business like me or you're a fan watching at home

1535
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: and you want to be entertained, you need certain out,

1536
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: you need certain elements from the fighter. You need them

1537
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: to play ball to a certain degree. It's up to

1538
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: us behind the microphone to pull it out of them,

1539
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: whether we're you know, doctor or a psychologist or whatever.

1540
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier had the ability, whichs very rare on the

1541
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: elite level today, to be willing to talk about his

1542
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: flaws and explained what went wrong, the theories behind them,

1543
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: the thinking, the thought process. He very much lived his

1544
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: life on his you know, emotions on his sleeve, crying

1545
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: in the postben interviews after his big losses. He was

1546
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: a joy to interview. Honorable mentioned Chail Sonnen as well.

1547
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: I know he's also a recent retiree but still very

1548
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: close to the game through broadcasting, through hosting his own podcast.

1549
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 1: Chaill Sonen is a can't misinterview at any time. He's

1550
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: the quickest wit of any fighter boxing MMA that I've

1551
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: consistently talked to. He's got one of the best Irish

1552
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: exits in which he hangs up on you at the

1553
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: end of the interview by setting you up and asking

1554
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: you a question and then he's gone. He's fantastic. No

1555
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: wonder as well while he is doing such great things.

1556
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: Quick shout out to Brandon Moreno, who I think will

1557
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: be in this top ten soon. Bubbly, so much fun. Joy.

1558
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: What's the one thing I'd wish for any of our

1559
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: listeners for the rest of their lives?

1560
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 2: Right?

1561
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: Wealth? Health? Yeah, that's all good. How about joy and

1562
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: enjoy abundantly? Brandon Marino brings joy to every situation. He's

1563
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: done great with then with the language barrier, transitioning from

1564
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 1: Spanish to English, with his Mexican origins. Love talking to

1565
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: that guy. Also honorable mentioned Yon Blahovich. You might be

1566
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: a little surprised by this, and he had a great

1567
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: sort of underdog run to win the title late in

1568
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: his career, and we'll see what he does next. Bounce

1569
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: him back from that. Yon Blakhovich is just a dude

1570
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: you can have a beer with, and he's funny, and

1571
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: he's polite and he's just a fun hang. In fact,

1572
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: I think we've got some sound to throw to from

1573
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: the archives of BC chatted up with one young Jan

1574
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: Blokhovitch back when I couldn't pronounce his name. Let's throw that.

1575
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: Why is he a bad man? He's rude, give you

1576
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: a little arrogant, Yeah, arrogant. He thinks is better than

1577
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: for He's got his fancy style. You know, he played

1578
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: golf insat today. Drink his fancy drinks.

1579
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 4: I think my cheapest beer in Poland tastes better than his,

1580
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 4: you know, fancy drinks.

1581
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 1: That's it. You know he does think that he's better

1582
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: because I don't know why. That's of course, Jan talking

1583
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: about Luke rock Hold ahead of their fight in which

1584
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: he knocked him the hell out and talking about how

1585
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: arrogant Luke was also final honorable mention Luke not talking

1586
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: about lu Thomas. He could be pretty arrogant too, though.

1587
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: I think that's part of why we love him. Though

1588
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: this is no surprise Steven wonder Boy Thompson. Now, I

1589
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: don't want to talk him up and then throw a

1590
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: slant at him. You if you're a high level interviewer

1591
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: in this game and you're looking at, Okay, what can

1592
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: I get out of this person? This person Stephen Thompson.

1593
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: It's not that he doesn't say much. He does. There's

1594
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: quality to what he says, but he's just so damn

1595
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: polite and likable and and funny that it's it's it's

1596
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: even if you don't get anything solid, you know you're

1597
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: gonna have a good time chatting with him. And I

1598
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: respect that from him. He's got a the wonder Boy

1599
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,919
Speaker 1: nickname works. There's a childlike sort of you know, wonderment

1600
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 1: surrounding him. And you know he's still trained by his dad.

1601
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,719
Speaker 1: Still says after the fellow, my dad's gonna be upset

1602
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: at me, Like there's still sort of that kid there

1603
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: in the basement, right, And I respect that. Here's a

1604
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: here's a little bit of a of a throw to

1605
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 1: H B C And Wonder Boy back in the day.

1606
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm a cigal guy. So if you were like BC

1607
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 1: showed me the one movie that defines your bad taste

1608
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: in this great bullshit, I'd say marked for death Stephen

1609
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 1: Sagall The Dark Jamaican favorite movie Good. The arm breaking

1610
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: in that movie was legit, Like that's why I like,

1611
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: you know what, he caught one of those brothers to

1612
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: the cross with a sword chopped off the head of

1613
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: the other. The screw based twins. What is your movie

1614
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: in this realm? Whether this wasn't a movie, it was

1615
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 1: a TV show, Walker Texas Ranger man, I even got.

1616
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 1: I even got the Chuck Noris jeans, the stretchy jeans

1617
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Wow, you even kicking these

1618
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: bad boys. That is super lame. But I love it.

1619
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. I mean, how wholesome is Steven Thompson.

1620
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: I know that. You know, when the BMF belt came out,

1621
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 1: Ariel and others were saying, you know, we should have

1622
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: the opposite of a BMF belt and give it to

1623
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: Stephen wonderbore Thompson for being the nicest MF or he's

1624
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: just so white bread, white milk Americans. He's a Walker

1625
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: Texas Ranger fan. He's just you know, he's a real

1626
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: nice guy. Those are the honorable mentions. There could only

1627
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: be ten. So we're gonna get into bec's top ten

1628
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: favorite fighters to interview. I don't think it's dissimilar. When

1629
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a fan and you're going, okay,

1630
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: what's going on? Oh, Errol's got six guests today. Let

1631
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: me look at oh I gotta see him with one. Obviously,

1632
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: the ones in this game who do the interviewing that

1633
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: are very good And I'm not very horror whitzing myself

1634
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: per se. But I like to think I can compete

1635
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: with anybody in this game.

1636
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 2: You know.

1637
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: Some of it is what can I bring to the

1638
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: table to get the best out of them. I feel

1639
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: i've I've you know, found some success in that area.

1640
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: I love doing it, and that's the difference. Luke Thomas

1641
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: is actually a very thoughtful interviewer. He just doesn't love

1642
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: the process, and that's fine when he gets people that

1643
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: are more in line with what he's looking for. I

1644
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: mean his fernand Lopez one that he did in MK

1645
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: in October. I couldn't have avoided that interview more. Yet,

1646
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: when I needed to watch it to get a little background,

1647
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: some quotes on a story I was writing, I'm like,

1648
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: you know, Luke, in his own way, he's got it.

1649
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: But Luke is night and day compared to what I

1650
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: come at. So my philosophy and strategy, as I sort

1651
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 1: of teased earlier, is you know, these guys do so

1652
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: many interviews, these guys and girls ahead of women and

1653
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: men before ahead of every fight. You know, they do

1654
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: so many that it's like all of them sound the same.

1655
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: I see some people going, oh, oh, BC a great interview,

1656
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: but that's everything that Aeriel asked him. Well, you know

1657
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't watch Ariel ahead of time to

1658
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: try to avoid that. I'm thinking, what's the best use

1659
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: of my personality and question asking ability and curiosity. What

1660
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 1: am I curious about that I think the fans would be?

1661
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: And you know, you learn the hard way by you know,

1662
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 1: it takes years of doing the same interviews that everybody

1663
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: else was doing, and you get to a point where

1664
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: you go, how I'm going to be different. How I'm

1665
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: gonna make better content is I got to get them

1666
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: to say something they haven't said in the building of

1667
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: this way. And that can come through a thoughtful question,

1668
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: you know whatever, or I want to create something that

1669
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: they never thought they would say, a moment, a reaction,

1670
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,480
Speaker 1: and that's where you know, there's a bit of psychology

1671
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: involved in here. You know, you can interview somebody think

1672
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: Donald Serni and hit your head against the wall so

1673
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: many times and come up empty that you go, Okay,

1674
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna back down. I'm not gonna avoid interviewing

1675
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 1: Donald Serni. He fights every month. I can't avoid him,

1676
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: But I gotta come from left field. I got you know,

1677
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: I gotta either grow up with him early on. I

1678
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: gotta waste a couple questions. And this is a science

1679
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: because sometimes you're only getting ten fifteen minute windows here.

1680
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta burn a question to get underneath them, right,

1681
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: I gotta throw out a few jabs to get in.

1682
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: Do I want to kiss a little ass to lower

1683
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: their guard? Do I want to insult them with a

1684
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: not insult them, but challenge them with a question of Look,

1685
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: this is the narrative surrounding you entering this fight, right,

1686
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: you play a psychological experiment because everybody responds differently. Some

1687
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: close up shop right away want nothing to do with

1688
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: asking about the hard spots some have or most have.

1689
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: Because they do this so often, especially if they're on

1690
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: the championship level, they're doing fifty interviews a fight, right

1691
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: for how many years? A couple times a year, they

1692
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: already have the built in ready responses to every single question.

1693
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: It's like a dance to them. How do I get

1694
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: them off of that dance? And that's where the strategy

1695
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: comes in. And when you do it right, you can

1696
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: make magic. You can get a funny story. You can laugh,

1697
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: you can get them angry, you can get them to

1698
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: The thing at the end of the day is I

1699
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: want them to tell the truth. I want to try

1700
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 1: to create something no one has during this season, to

1701
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: be a little different. And you know, I want to

1702
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: create art. Okay, I want to create a BBC or

1703
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: a artists. We saw your documentaries. I want to create

1704
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: a magic there. Whether that magic comes from the back

1705
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 1: and forth connection between question asker and question answerer, or

1706
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: whether that dynamic and magic comes because I stopped it

1707
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: being a Q and A and I made it a conversation,

1708
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: which is always the goal of a podcast or right

1709
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: when I have long form conversations. It's hard to do

1710
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: in a ten fifteen minute window, but it can be done.

1711
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: But my goal in there, above all is to entertain you,

1712
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: but to create a spark that you haven't seen lately.

1713
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: You know that. And that can go great, and it

1714
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: can go spectacularly bad. And I like to think I

1715
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: am bold enough to take that chance. Did I entrap

1716
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather when we were wearing the garish robes there

1717
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: in South Florida? Might happened? Got an entertainment out of it?

1718
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: We got flood fired up because FLI was in salesman

1719
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: mode that whole week. Of course he was right fighting

1720
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 1: logan Paul, it's easy money. Welly do I get the

1721
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: real flood? How do I get the fighter to come out?

1722
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: He s got inside on them. Okay, it's a dance.

1723
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: It's an art form. So here we go. The top

1724
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: ten favorite interviewing subjects who I think are the best

1725
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: interviews in MMA today. Number ten. Welter your way, Michael Kissa.

1726
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: This may surprise you a little bit. It's not that

1727
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: kiy hasa is so deep on theory and breaking down

1728
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: the you know, the science behind fighting, or that he's

1729
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: an aggressive trash talker who's really neither of those. But

1730
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: Kiyosa is relatable. He'sn't a dude. He's in everyman in

1731
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: that package as elite fighter, and I think that's why

1732
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: he's one of the more underrated broadcasters that we don't

1733
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 1: talk about that I think can have a very bright

1734
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 1: and long career in this space, whether it's calling fights

1735
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: at the desk for UFC, whether it's sitting in the

1736
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 1: at the desk above the arena for television, or whether

1737
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: it's you know, in some form of a podcast or

1738
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: digital show. I think Kisa has a very relatable way.

1739
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: He's that dude at the end of the bar. He's

1740
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: the guy, the metal head you went to high school with.

1741
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: He's kind of that guy, and I think it comes

1742
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: out in his interviews. He's fun to talk to. You

1743
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: feel like you know him, you feel like you can

1744
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: relate to him. Here's a little sample of BC and

1745
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: Mike the Math mixing it up back in the day.

1746
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: How about this welterweighte headliner in a Wednesday card right

1747
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: around the corner, Michael Kanza, Oh my microphone fall apart,

1748
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 1: My damn head right here, Jack you're Jackson, get all.

1749
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 1: I gotta go old school right here, Like I'm like,

1750
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm at Madison Square Garden. No regret, no regrets. You

1751
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: see that line. Not everybody's cool enough to pull out?

1752
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: Did you just talk about is that help the second hand?

1753
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: Second hand? I mean, come on, you know, BC and

1754
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: Mike the Mav, we could do it. Forget Luke Thomas,

1755
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: we could do a podcast together. It'd be brilliant. He's

1756
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: one of those categories of guys just like talking to.

1757
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: So shout out to Mike the Mav. He's figuring out

1758
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: how good he can be as a fighter after moving

1759
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: up in Wighe having a couple ups and downs, but

1760
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: there's still a bright window there, and I think he's

1761
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: got a bigger one outside of that number nine. I

1762
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: don't think this should be a surprise to people. He's wild,

1763
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: he's wacky, he's incredible. It's Tony Ferguson.

1764
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 2: Now.

1765
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson is a hard person to interview because it's

1766
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: a little bit crazy. A little bit crazy. He likes

1767
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: to talk. He likes to commandeer the direction of the questions.

1768
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: We'll cut off your question and mid sentence to start

1769
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: to go on a rant. He produces very entertaining interviews, though,

1770
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: because he's so gregarious. He's in his own mind in

1771
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: his reaction to questions. He's he's funny, he'll talk trash,

1772
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: he'll go down the road of McNuggets and go down there. Traditionally,

1773
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 1: is he a great interview No, meaning, does he answer

1774
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: the question that you ask in the spirit of what

1775
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: you were trying to get out of it? No. I

1776
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: think he's got a very strong defense at keeping reporters

1777
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: away from getting out of him what they actually want.

1778
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: We've seen him at press conferences, you know, swear out guys,

1779
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: the reporters, and that guy's like, you know, I want

1780
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: to talk to you about mental health and everything you've

1781
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: been through with your marriage and everything. That guy's like

1782
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: and Tony's like, fuck you. But I mean that that's

1783
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: Tony Feruson dude, which you know, to be good in

1784
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: this job, to be the guy behind the microphone like

1785
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: I try to do. Sometimes you've got to take that

1786
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: and use that craziness to your advantage to create a

1787
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: world in which he can feel comfortable, because that's the thing.

1788
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. There's something to be

1789
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: gotten out of every interview subject, whether they're great, like

1790
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Daniel Cormier, just press play, ask him the question. You

1791
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: get a great answer and it'll be funny and charming

1792
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: or other ones they're gonna hide and you pull it

1793
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: out of them. I want to pull something out of them.

1794
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: And again, if that's happiness and joy, that's great, right

1795
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Brandon Marino gives joy, or if that's anger, or if

1796
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: that's I gotta get them off of their ship and

1797
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: try to play my game. And we are in an

1798
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 1: era where there's there's more favorable interviewers than there's ever been.

1799
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 1: People that are not looking to us at the apple cart,

1800
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: not looking to talk about the important topics, kind of

1801
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: just looking to play fun and games and laugh with it.

1802
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: That's fine. I play funny games in life with these

1803
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: guys too, But it's usually a means to the end.

1804
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's it's, you know, let me toss out a

1805
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: few jabs so I can get inside. Like I mentioned before,

1806
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: I've had some good Tony Ferginson interviews. I've had some

1807
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: really bad ones. But although it feels like his time

1808
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: in the spotlight is more closer to the end than not,

1809
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I've gotten somewhere, at least in interviewing them.

1810
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: Here's a little sample.

1811
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 2: You know, an amazing dude playing Mike Tyson's punch out

1812
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 2: Right now, my kids are time to switch. He I'm

1813
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 2: just getting stitches, and they're trying to undress me and

1814
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 2: getting all this stuff. They're panicing, they're panicking the people

1815
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: in the room. Well, look at my deck, Look at sire.

1816
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 2: You only trying to address me and stuff.

1817
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:09,679
Speaker 1: It was funny.

1818
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 2: You can talk a lot, a whole bunch of ship

1819
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 2: from the sidelines, right, But then who's the fucking guy

1820
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 2: out there. Are you not entertained?

1821
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,919
Speaker 1: I respect that you're you are a man of principle.

1822
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: You I respect that. All right, let's close this out here,

1823
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: because I know you got a You're a busy man, brother,

1824
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: Hold on talking, love it, keep it going, keep it going,

1825
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: bring it. Uh. There's a few other sound drops we

1826
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 1: could have played from that weird interview with Tony. I

1827
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 1: try to I try to watch his movements and go

1828
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: along with it. Right, if he's gonna take you off

1829
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: the rails, I'm gonna go with you. I'm gonna follow

1830
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 1: you down that path, and I'm not gonna be afraid

1831
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: to jump in and try to cut you off just

1832
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: the same when you're going way too far off. You know,

1833
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: I'll be respectful. But it's part of the dance that

1834
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: you do with somebody like Tony and got again. I respect.

1835
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: If there's somebody like Luke that hates doing this job.

1836
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: To me, this is the best interview. Fighters is the

1837
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: best part of this job. It really is. Now, do

1838
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: I want to do a seven hour show like Aeriel?

1839
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 2: No?

1840
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: Ariel's really good at it, and he's found his style

1841
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: and he's found his great platform in a lot of ways.

1842
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: Ariels his legacy will be pretty big and giving the

1843
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: fighters a voice. And you know he's a shit stir himself, absolutely,

1844
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: but you know he knows what he's doing. I know

1845
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: what I'm doing in my own lane, and you can't

1846
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: be afraid to get sent to hell at the end

1847
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: of the day, Tony. I've put myself in spots to

1848
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: get sent there, never quite got there, but I respect

1849
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: what he brings to the game in terms of making

1850
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: an interview memorable. Number eight might surprise you here. Not

1851
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: surprising because she is one of my favorite fighters of

1852
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: all time, but rosnama Unis, the UFC defending two time

1853
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: Women's straweight champion, is one of the best interviews in

1854
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 1: really all of combat sports right now. And she's very

1855
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: difficult to get that gold that I was talking about,

1856
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: because if you just go in there and ask her

1857
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 1: the questions everybody else is canna ask her, she'll, you know, politely,

1858
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: come back and respond and it'll be somewhat programmed response

1859
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: and it's fine. But if you want real emotion and

1860
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: a real reaction, you're gonna take a little bit of

1861
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,799
Speaker 1: chance against her. And I've again to have great interviews

1862
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: you've got to have some disastrous ones. I've had ones

1863
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 1: with Rose where I'm like, I'm gonna come, I'm gonna

1864
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: get her to talk about mental health on a certain

1865
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: level and it's gonna be inspiring, it's gonna be whatever,

1866
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: And somewhere along the line, I misstepped in the wording

1867
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: or in the emotion that I brought to the question

1868
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: or whatever. Mean, look, it's not an exact science, right,

1869
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: And I've had some bad ones that've gone nowhere, and

1870
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: you can just hear in her voice like, Okay, when's

1871
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: this crap over with? This guy's a clown, right, had

1872
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: other ones where I've set the stage at that moment

1873
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: the temperature correctly, and she's responded. There's a reason why

1874
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,799
Speaker 1: when she wins, like when she triumphantly won against Wayley,

1875
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 1: that like you almost have tears in your eyes as

1876
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: a fan, whether you're a super fan of her or not,

1877
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: because she's she wears like painias win over Nunas wears

1878
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: the human spirit so blazingly on her sleeve. You know,

1879
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: the the I'm the best, I'm the you know, you're

1880
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: the fucking You're the motherfucking best, bat Berry. I mean,

1881
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: it's just like just so inspiring. Here's somebody who has

1882
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: been you know, who has had as equal ridiculously large

1883
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: highs in the octagon and then ridiculously large lows. And

1884
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, that first Jessica Andrage fight was like the

1885
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: perfect example. That first round rose against Andrage defending the title.

1886
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 1: I thought she looked like one of the best fighters

1887
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: in the history of the sport. I mean, she was

1888
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 1: just dialed in, doing the Trevor Whitman striking style, working

1889
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: circles around Androge and just lighten her up. And then

1890
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: the second round found out she didn't really want to

1891
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: be there anymore, and the pressure of being champion suddenly

1892
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 1: got to her and she gets slammed on her head

1893
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't know if she's ever

1894
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: coming back from that. She I have so much respect

1895
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 1: for her, for her mental health journey, for the the

1896
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: journey of her family that she's gone through, for her

1897
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: taking that stand against Yanna for kind of bullying her.

1898
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the way that she stood up in those moments,

1899
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 1: the way that she's picked up the pieces and come

1900
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: back and found her her greatness again after losing. It's inspiring.

1901
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: And she's not an easy interview. Like I said, but

1902
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: there are times when you can quickly. Again, sometimes you

1903
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 1: got ten or fifteen minutes. Sometimes that's not a lot

1904
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: to build whatever foundation of what you're trying to get. Right,

1905
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get somebody from trying to entice somebody

1906
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: into an argument, Well, I better work quickly to build

1907
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: that foundation. Or if I'm trying to ask them a

1908
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 1: critical question that I know they don't want to answer,

1909
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 1: do I have to build the foundation of safety first,

1910
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: that this is you know that I'm coming with good faith.

1911
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to do that. And when you do

1912
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: that with Rose, you can get the gold because she'll

1913
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: she'll give you the real of what she's going through

1914
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: and where's it on her sleeve? And I respect that

1915
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think that's why. Or you know,

1916
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: we're journalist. You're not suposed to have favorite fighters. Okay,

1917
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: that's cool, but you know it's hard not to really

1918
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 1: be riveted that ed Rose's journey through this. Number seven

1919
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:07,879
Speaker 1: another potentially surprising one one Dominic Cruise. Now, I personally,

1920
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very upfront with you, I haven't been

1921
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: successful interviewing Dominic Cruz, meaning I had very large goals

1922
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 1: a couple of different times, and I don't want to

1923
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: say it came up empty. Yeah, I kind of came

1924
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,599
Speaker 1: up empty. So Dominic Cruz is two things at once.

1925
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:27,600
Speaker 1: He's one of the most inspiring, introspective people in this

1926
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: sport that I've ever seen. His interview after losing his

1927
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: title to Cody Garbrett was ridiculously inspiring. His comment that,

1928
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: you know, the greatest win I ever had in my

1929
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: life was realizing I don't need this belt and that

1930
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: I'll be just fine. His interviews that he's given after

1931
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: some of the setbacks and his injuries, particularly, look, Ariel,

1932
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:53,719
Speaker 1: love more hate him, right, Ariels, When you're that famous,

1933
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: there's reason to love and hate like I love Ariel

1934
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: all right. He had an interview with Dominic a couple

1935
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: of I think it's one of the five best in

1936
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: the sports history. It was that long, inspirational one about

1937
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: not giving up and and you know, I remember after

1938
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: that going, damn Ariel. That's that's a good ship right there.

1939
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: I can do that with Dominic. I'll go a little

1940
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: bit different, I'll go a little different angle, I'll go

1941
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: a little different road, but I'll get him down that

1942
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,640
Speaker 1: road and be fair. I failed miserably and that's the

1943
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:26,560
Speaker 1: other half of it. While Dom Cruise is so introspective

1944
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: and insightful and inspiring in one lane, if you if

1945
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 1: you can't get him down that lane, it's kind of prick.

1946
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's kind of dick, right. I mean, he'll

1947
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: tell you straight up with Keith Pierson smells like cigarettes

1948
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: and hoots, you know what I mean. He'll call out

1949
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: his teammate Daniel Cormier to try to inspire him. I

1950
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I still feel like that was uh when

1951
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: Cruz called out DC for not watching a film. I

1952
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: still think it was his way of being mad at

1953
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: commentary that Cruise gave, that Cormier gave about Cruise and

1954
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: where he's at in his career and by the way

1955
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 1: to be an athlete and to fight through injuries and

1956
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: age and be this relevant. And I've been willing to

1957
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:05,560
Speaker 1: count out Dom Cruise a couple of times since he

1958
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote you know, got old, and he's still pulling

1959
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 1: out big wins to show us that he's not there.

1960
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: You gotta take slights, I mean, look at Michael Jordan,

1961
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: look at the last dance. You gotta take slights, and

1962
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: you gotta chew on them, and you know, to live

1963
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: in them to motivate yourself. So I respect that, but

1964
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 1: he straight up shut me down in interviews, and just

1965
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, it's been like, whether I was unable

1966
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: to crack the code in the way that Ariel did

1967
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: on his own time that day, then that's fine, I'll

1968
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: take the l I also wonderstimes if Cruise is just like,

1969
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 1: this is not the platform more. I'm gonna give the goods,

1970
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 1: and that's okay. I try to get it out of him.

1971
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Maybe next time I'll challenge him and we'll see if

1972
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: we can get it out of him. But Dominic Cruz

1973
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: is a great interview, nonetheless in some of those non

1974
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: traditional ways, because he's certainly not overly charismatic in joking

1975
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: or making you feel welcoming. You know he's in there

1976
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 1: for a purpose, whether he's in the cage in the interview,

1977
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: and you know, if that purpose aligns with yours, you

1978
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 1: may get the gold. If not, he's hard to get in,

1979
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: hard to get inside. On number six Beast's top ten

1980
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 1: favorite interviews in Mma, no surprise here, Amanda Heaboss. You

1981
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 1: talk about the joy that Brandon Moreno has he's doing

1982
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the poor man's version. There has never been a fighter

1983
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: that I've covered in either sport and combat who's just

1984
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 1: as intoxicating to listen to or talk to than Amanda.

1985
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 1: He Boss, you must be a heck of a hang

1986
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 1: right to have to have a chick like that in

1987
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 1: your friend circle, you know, I mean, shout out to her.

1988
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: I hope she has great success. And she's a very

1989
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 1: good fighter and had some up some downs and you know,

1990
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: had to come back from that lost to Marina Hadriguez,

1991
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:39,719
Speaker 1: and I think one day she will fight for a title.

1992
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: But just just funny as heck, just just like I

1993
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: gotta be around that, and you know, and we all

1994
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: have our good days and bad days. Hopefully when we're

1995
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: at our best we're having a good day, we bring

1996
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 1: that same light to others, and hopefully on this microphone

1997
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 1: and this show, if I haven't turned you off already,

1998
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 1: you're still with me for that same reason. But out

1999
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 1: to Hebos, I think we have sound. I think we've

2000
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 1: probably got her gushing over just enjoying life. Let's hear it.

2001
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

2002
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say.

2003
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 4: I just like you enjoy, you know, because sometimes when

2004
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 4: you don't enjoy what you do, you just do with

2005
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:19,719
Speaker 4: the med vibe.

2006
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Man, So.

2007
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 4: I all the time tried to put my best vibe

2008
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 4: what I'm doing.

2009
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 1: But this is not all days I'm like this, but

2010
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: I try, I try. She tries pretty hard and it works.

2011
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: By the way, you gotta love Luke Thomas. Before that interview,

2012
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: he was like, only do this interview with you if

2013
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 1: you don't mention her dad's tattoo to try to set

2014
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: me up and try to get me in trouble for

2015
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: making fun. Was that a fair request? Was it fair

2016
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: for me to share that with the public. It's up

2017
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 1: to you, all right. Number five on BC's list, Another

2018
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: champion Israel honest Sonia. Yeah, he's he's both traditional and

2019
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: non traditional at the same time. He could be very

2020
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: charismatic and fun, but he's he's he's awado and I'm

2021
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: being I'm pulling No, no punch is pulled here is

2022
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a weirdo, and you gotta

2023
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: harness that. You gotta set him up. But you set

2024
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 1: him up the right way. He'll give you some trash talk, which,

2025
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: to be fair, I love me some trash talk. Yet

2026
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting that my top you know, the

2027
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,799
Speaker 1: first five names on this list outside of Tony Ferguson

2028
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 1: not trash talk heavy a lot of time. Is a

2029
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 1: very good trash talker for an elite fighter. It's very

2030
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: good at explaining why he's so great, explaining the difference

2031
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 1: between him and others. I'm really intrigued when I hear

2032
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: him because his life journey to this point is different

2033
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: than most and he's certainly one of the one of

2034
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: the best fighters of all time. And you know, he's

2035
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 1: not always in the mood to be the the cariacture

2036
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: and be the guy in front of the camera. Sometimes

2037
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: you gotta will him a little bit, but uh, I

2038
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 1: always enjoy the chats with him straight up, and I

2039
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 1: think there's a genuineness him underneath that that that I

2040
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 1: definitely enjoy. Number four. I've had high sand lows, and

2041
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,639
Speaker 1: they've been some of the darkest loves. Mike Perry. Yes

2042
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 1: he may be in BKFC fame today, but he's still

2043
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 1: around the MMA bubble. No one's gonna forget him sending

2044
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 1: me to the darkest of depths of hell on my

2045
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: old school CBS State of Combat podcast when I brought

2046
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: up a comment that was made about his ex wife

2047
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: by one of his ex coaches. It's fine. Mike Perry

2048
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 1: is a guy who you know, whether he's happy or angry,

2049
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 1: even he canna give you something, it's gonna be interesting

2050
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: and I and you get excited interviewing guys like that.

2051
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 1: You have to be careful at where I talked about,

2052
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Like if you're trying to take blood from a stone.

2053
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: If you're interviewing guy, Let's say you get Dom Cruz

2054
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: on the wrong day, he's just I don't want to

2055
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 1: play ball. You gotta work ot to try to get

2056
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 1: him to say anything. You try to work o T

2057
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: too much with a guy like Mike Perry, and he's

2058
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 1: and he stops trusting you in the interview, Yeah, you'll

2059
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,080
Speaker 1: get sent to hell. You'll absolutely get just sent to hell.

2060
01:41:59,320 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 5: Up.

2061
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: Is that entertaining? It can be. That's why I don't

2062
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: fear it. Do I purposely try to do bad faith

2063
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: questions and interviews to get people riled up? I'll say, no,

2064
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 1: did I try to roll up for it a little bit? Okay,

2065
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. I did. I'm not trying to bad

2066
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 1: faith anybody, but Mike Perry is one of those guys.

2067
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: That you that he's threatened to kill me in an

2068
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: interview before he's starting to knock me out the next

2069
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 1: time he sees me. It's easier to do over the phone,

2070
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 1: of course than in person. But you gotta be willing

2071
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 1: to stand in there and and risk missing to get

2072
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: the good stuff. And if you can get the good

2073
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: stuff of the guy like Mike Perry, it's it's it's

2074
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: train wreck must see TV. He's a charismatic dude.

2075
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 2: You know.

2076
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: That's how he got the lovely coach Littory and and

2077
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: and and in one Up to Ocean, I saw the

2078
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,639
Speaker 1: pictures of his birthday party. Shout out to Ocean. He's

2079
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: a young South Floridian. But uh, Mike Perry and I

2080
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 1: have had some wild history, and I still get very

2081
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: excited to chat with him because, uh, a different dude.

2082
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 1: Here's a little sampling of of BC and mike.

2083
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 6: Career, the process. And maybe I didn't enjoy that I was.

2084
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 6: I was free agent there for a little while, and

2085
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,759
Speaker 6: I was curious as to what was going to happen.

2086
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 6: I was like, man, I'm about to go look for

2087
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 6: a job and make twenty dollars an.

2088
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 7: Hour, Yes, sir, I appreciate you man, and uh it's

2089
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Speaker 7: good to talk to you and and keep everything copoesthetic.

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Speaker 7: So thank you for your time, and uh, stay tuned, fans,

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Speaker 7: we got some big things coming.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Made up there we're

2093
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: doing good. Me and Mike, Me and the Platinum One. Okay,

2094
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,360
Speaker 1: he's a he's like a fireball, and you gotta kind

2095
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: of just you know, get you gotta you gotta open

2096
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: the road for him to just go down there and

2097
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: give you, give you it good. But you know, like

2098
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson, there's a little bit level crazy there where

2099
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 1: it could go. It could go off. You can lose

2100
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. I mean, look, there's there's all

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01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 1: different kinds of interview types, right Like there's the Teddy

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01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 1: Atlas Bernard Hopkins types who you can get one question

2103
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 1: off to Bernard Hopkins, you'll get a forty five minute

2104
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: podcast out of it. But you're probably not gonna follow up, okay,

2105
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: because if you try to cut him off to switch gears,

2106
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: he used to feel that comment. He'll slip that, Okay,

2107
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 1: He'll push right through that. Mike Perry's an interesting it's

2108
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: an interesting circus interviewing it, but I welcome it at

2109
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 1: all times. Number Three, a guy who I've talked to

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01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: a bunch lately in the last couple of years, and

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for the man that

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01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 1: he is and and for better or worse, his willingness

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Speaker 1: to walk through hell to try to be great. And

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Speaker 1: that is one Brian Ortega. You may remember specifically ahead

2115
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Speaker 1: of his fight with Volkanovsky when it was h when

2116
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:45,639
Speaker 1: I talked to him the first time. The fight didn't happen, remember,

2117
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 1: but he was on some shit no no, ahead of

2118
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 1: the ahead of the Uh what am I thinking of?

2119
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: I think I'm all over the place here. I had

2120
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: a chat with Ortega ahead of a fight that got canceled.

2121
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: Was that the Volkanovski fight? Anyway, he was he was

2122
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 1: on some kind of shit heading into there, and meaning

2123
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 1: he was as intense and ready to do whatever it

2124
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 1: took that it came out in the interview. The second time,

2125
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 1: when I interviewed him ahead of the rescheduled he was

2126
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: a lot more chill. We got into some uh done

2127
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: to some halle Berry talk because that's what the people want,

2128
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: and I'm brave enough to bring that to him. Okay

2129
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:25,679
Speaker 1: or weird enough or shameless enough, but I respect T City.

2130
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: One thing he does that's tough is he does awkward,

2131
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 1: long pauses in the middle of thoughts and uh I I.

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01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 1: You know, people say that I, uh I talk too much,

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01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 1: and maybe that's a a fear of long pauses. Maybe

2134
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 1: that's a fear of silence. Maybe that's a fear of awkwardness.

2135
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: And if I hear that, it's like it just runs

2136
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 1: up my veins, you know, that that pause and then

2137
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I start teeing up the next question and then T

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01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 1: cities right back in mid thought with something intense and weird.

2139
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's what he's cooking up here. There's

2140
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's an oven up here of

2141
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: just if just weird thoughts. And that's how he makes

2142
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: that intense version of him come out on fight night,

2143
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 1: and you know, and apparently chicks loved that. So shout

2144
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: out to T City. I saw that he just bought

2145
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: his first house with his uh with his with his

2146
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: fighting beautiful girlfriend there, so shout out to the both

2147
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: of them. Let's show a little sound of what I'm

2148
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 1: talking about, the intense nature of one Brian or take.

2149
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they see or Tega as that guy who went

2150
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: away came back. He only improved. He's got the model looks.

2151
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: He's was real weird. In that interview with me a

2152
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, it.

2153
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 3: Did feel like the Phoenix or You're you're shaved down

2154
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 3: to the bone and your rebirth and the only thing

2155
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 3: holding me back was that, you know that's the old look.

2156
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 3: I fucking let him go. He dies this night, we

2157
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 3: come out a new person.

2158
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 2: And we did. Bro.

2159
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: This is a deep ship right here. I'm feeling it

2160
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: right now. Let's it never forget moment. For me that interview,

2161
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: I did not know how to respond to each answer

2162
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: that was given. Your boy BC, who tries to be

2163
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: calculated in these spots, It's just sort of like, is

2164
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 1: he is he doing a bit on me? Trying to

2165
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 1: am I trying to sorcer him, and he's just taking

2166
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:10,600
Speaker 1: the magic and whipping it back at me. I'm not

2167
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 1: really sure, but I was. I was focused. H too

2168
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 1: left here as this became a long segment. Hopefully you

2169
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: stuck with me, but there's a lot of joy in here.

2170
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 1: So number two, he's an elite fighter, he's a warrior,

2171
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:26,400
Speaker 1: and yes, after we won the world MMA Award for

2172
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 1: Best of Them May Content for Morning Combat. Walking back

2173
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: from the stage down through the crowd, one Justin gaechie

2174
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 1: grabbed my arm and was like, yeah, dude, yeah, yeah man,

2175
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: and I shout out. Justin Gaechee is a hell of

2176
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 1: an interview. He's one half caveman in these interviews, meaning

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01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 1: you tea him up to talk about violence and being

2178
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 1: a man, you know he'll give you an answer. It's

2179
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: also very smart introspective as a fighter, into the technique,

2180
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 1: into the game planning. It's probably no surprise why him

2181
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: and Trevor Whitten were able to take his savage highlight

2182
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: real style once he finally met a couple bullies who

2183
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 1: can stand in there with him, you know, the Eddie Alvarez,

2184
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Dustin Poirier and uh. And he's made such a hell

2185
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: of a pivot into being still a destroyer, but a

2186
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: calculated elite technical destroyer. And you know, it may or

2187
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: may not have been one leg strike away from putting

2188
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:23,680
Speaker 1: Habiban peril. That's up to you to decide at the

2189
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: end of the day. I'm comfortable where I saw that

2190
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 1: play from, you know, but Justin Gatchee, I don't know

2191
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 1: if people realize it's a really fun chat, and you

2192
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 1: know he's got to be able to He gives you

2193
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:35,600
Speaker 1: the sweet and the style, right, it gives you the

2194
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 1: gives you the smart student of the game mixed with

2195
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,760
Speaker 1: just being a bro. And here's a little sampling of

2196
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 1: his bro intensity. U pr kind of ruined the same

2197
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 1: for me. But if one man will hold you down,

2198
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: too could rape you, and I will be damned if

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01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: one man will hold me down, I'd be damned about

2200
01:48:56,920 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: the other half of that equation too. Just my two cents.

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Speaker 1: All right, holt me down this you will, but you're

2202
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 1: not gonna hold me down because I'm gonna kill you first.

2203
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Anytime he goes down introspection way,

2204
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: he ends up, uh, he ends up off on the

2205
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 1: curb into like, uh, damn, bro that was that was

2206
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 1: pretty violent, But uh, I love it just the same.

2207
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 1: I like the unpredictability of it. He can also talk

2208
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of trash, So I respect that because

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01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: sometimes either if you're not a good interviewer or if

2210
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: the interview subject's not willing at that time, sometimes you

2211
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: just need one sound bite, give me one SoundBite to

2212
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 1: make this interview worth it. I can write the headline

2213
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 1: and look and I understand it's not lost on me that, like,

2214
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 1: even though there's more fighter friendly interviewers these days than

2215
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 1: ever before, because the journalism model has changed, it's more

2216
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 1: about access and clicks. And I don't damn anyone who's

2217
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 1: created sort of a character and they're like, you know,

2218
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 1: this is my lane were I'm hanging out with these dudes.

2219
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 1: We're bro you know, that's say, and that's fine, But

2220
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:05,840
Speaker 1: on the surface we are competing sides of the war,

2221
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 1: meaning like you know, you look at that, it's much more.

2222
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,679
Speaker 1: That's why it's like mmas can be so Luke says

2223
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 1: this a lot MMA fighters, promoters, coaches, they can be

2224
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: so defensive, so defensive, and it's like the relationship between

2225
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 1: media and athletes is so much worse than some of

2226
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: these other team prominent sports that like EMMA doesn't even

2227
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:28,840
Speaker 1: realize how good they have it, meaning it's so much

2228
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 1: naturally adversarial based in the other sports, because I think

2229
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:34,559
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more in the other sports because

2230
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: they're more traditional people that are rooted in journalism, where

2231
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: there's more people in the fight game. Because the fight

2232
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 1: game can be a little bit more about entertainment than competition.

2233
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of entertainment based people in

2234
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 1: this job now. I think at its best, you can

2235
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: do it all, and I think I can do it all.

2236
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 1: But at its core, even in this softer landing of

2237
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:59,560
Speaker 1: MMA journalism, it shouldn't be about I want you to

2238
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 1: have a great time on this interview. At the bout,

2239
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: we got two competing things. At the end of the day,

2240
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 1: my job is to get people to say something they

2241
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily think they were going to say coming in.

2242
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:13,719
Speaker 1: That makes headlines, that creates clicks, that continues my brand

2243
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: or MK's brand as a one stop shop, a place

2244
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:18,759
Speaker 1: to come for great interviews. And if you're a fighter

2245
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 1: and you're super savvy, sure you're doing a million of these,

2246
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 1: so you're doing it obligatorily. But the savvy ones know

2247
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: that they also are bringing something to the table. They

2248
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 1: have a message they want delivered, or they have a

2249
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 1: plan to not succumb to the interview style techniques that

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Speaker 1: some of the elite guys do to get what they want.

2251
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm not afraid to tell the truth.

2252
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: The other guy's great. Other guy's I'm like at the

2253
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: end the day. I love these guys, I respect them,

2254
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: but my job is to get them to say something

2255
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 1: that's marketable, that could be sold. And their job is

2256
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: either to not say something or to use the platform

2257
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 1: to get across what they want, which is either increase

2258
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: their brand, show people how nice they are, whatever they

2259
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:55,640
Speaker 1: want to do at the end of the day. But

2260
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:58,679
Speaker 1: you know, it's a dance, and we are on competing

2261
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 1: sides of that line, so you gotta be afraid to

2262
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,599
Speaker 1: go dark if you have to. My number one, though,

2263
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 1: my favorite person to interview is more on the easy side.

2264
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: You put a microphone in front of this guy, give

2265
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:14,600
Speaker 1: you exactly what you wanted. He'll give you what you

2266
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,479
Speaker 1: didn't even know you wanted. The one and only, the

2267
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 1: heavyweight title contender, the Black Beast, Derek Lewis. You talk about,

2268
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Kies on this list because he's probably

2269
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 1: just in bodies, just that dude. I just hang out

2270
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 1: with that dude. Derek Louis is both that dude and

2271
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 1: the funniest guy in your friend circle and the most raunchiest,

2272
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 1: ridiculous guy in your school and the this and that,

2273
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:41,879
Speaker 1: and he'll talk shit and he doesn't take this seriously.

2274
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes he's just not in the mood.

2275
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: And when he's not in the mood, he still gives

2276
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: you stuff. He'll him no selling your questions is still brilliant.

2277
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 1: Sometimes Derek Lewis knows exactly what he's doing to market

2278
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 1: himself to kind of I think he he makes the

2279
01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 1: process of interviewing him so ridiculed because he's so bored,

2280
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 1: right naturally, so he's just sort of bored man. I

2281
01:53:03,120 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 1: would you know, he's about the money, he's about feeding

2282
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: his family. He's not about making headlines, making a good podcast.

2283
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 1: But he doesn't mail it in because even when he's

2284
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 1: mailing it in, he's still giving you something. And that's

2285
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:17,880
Speaker 1: that's the great ones. That's you know, Daniel Cormier would

2286
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: be high up on this list because he's always given

2287
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 1: you something. It's not in the Derek Lewis lane, per se,

2288
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 1: but don mail it in. He gives you something. Derek

2289
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:26,960
Speaker 1: Lewis even when he's mailing it and he's still giving

2290
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,479
Speaker 1: you something. I love interviewing this man. I feel a

2291
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 1: kinship with him in terms of, like, you know, you

2292
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 1: give me ten interviews, I think I could make nine

2293
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:35,560
Speaker 1: of them. Must See TV with him every day of

2294
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: the week. Here's a little sampling of BC and DL.

2295
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 1: Have any kind of eating record that stands out.

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Speaker 5: I guess you say, I ate a whole pack of

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Speaker 5: weenies just because I didn't want my brother in law

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Speaker 5: to have none.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I had like.

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Speaker 5: About twelve hot dogs. My wife was mad about me

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Speaker 5: about that, But yeah, I ate twelve dogs in less

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Speaker 5: than an hour just because I didn't want him to

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Speaker 5: eat when he came home from work.

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Speaker 1: That's that spite fueled eating right there. I support that,

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Speaker 1: all right. My liver does not. But shout out to

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Speaker 1: Derek Lowis. Hey, shout out to you guys. If you

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Speaker 1: sat through this and you found this entertaining, maybe it's

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01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: just BC bloviating on a night or day when Luke's off.

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01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you you know this ain't MK. The magic is

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Speaker 1: bcn LT. That's fine, and I'll say that outright. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've had great shows with Chalk Rashad Bronstead or Shack,

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Speaker 1: Dan Kenobi, we got Rafe, we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: great you know guys to fill in. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: not MK. If it's not B C and LT. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. Tried to give you something a little bit

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Speaker 1: different today. Didn't end up getting to the dms from

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Speaker 1: Donks since the uh some of the news items went

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Speaker 1: longer in my abloviation than I expected. But Friday show,

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Speaker 1: well a wee can previewing a breakdown of the fight's

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Speaker 1: coming on. We will have a special guest. We will

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Speaker 1: have an extended one on one DMS from Donks BC

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01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:56,600
Speaker 1: versus the public. So we've got a lot of questions

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01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: in the hopper. I don't know if we're gonna put

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Speaker 1: out another one on Instagram, but stay tuned to see that.

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Speaker 1: If you've got specific questions you want answered. Morning Combat

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01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:05,560
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, where you send in fan subs

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01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:07,920
Speaker 1: and dead wrongs is also a good spot for that.

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01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 1: We're holding off on those type of segments fan subs,

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01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: dead wrong. So that's a Luke in BC thing. So

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Speaker 1: next week we'll be back at it. But you know,

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01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 1: you can't get mad at us. I mean, we're you know,

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01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: we're well paid elite craftiers at our craft so you

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01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 1: know we get vacation time, and so do you at

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01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 1: your job deserving, So Luke enjoy yourself the rest of

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Speaker 1: the way. Shout out to my man Gaff, my man

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Speaker 1: Gaff Pier on the Ones. Can we bring in that

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Speaker 1: little screen experience again? Right here? Jeff, we don't even

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01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 1: each today. Let's be fair. We don't need ja, Aaron.

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01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 1: When Gaff's on the controls, you know it's all good, right, Jeff,

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01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: exactly BC CAF. You would you say you're Brooklyn Tough.

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01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I'm Brooklyn Tough in Brooklyn born, but

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01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 3: I was raised in the suburbs of Long Island, So.

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Speaker 1: Take that all right. You know, I thought we were

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01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: gonna be here to wout your music career, but if not.

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01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Thank you for all your work today and later this

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01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 1: year though. We got all right, it's coming right the mixtape?

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01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: Is that still the thing?

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01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:08,000
Speaker 5: Oh?

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01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got coming for you all right, drop

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01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 1: it like it's hot, turned down all Pennington, James, uh uh,

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01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: you know. Requests for duets there there you go. Thank

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01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 1: you very much to Gaff on the ones, and two

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01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:22,000
Speaker 1: for the great fans of MK for dealing with me

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01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 1: for two hours today. I had fun, all right. I

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01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:30,920
Speaker 1: could talk forever about this bullshit, fighting the bullshit. All right.

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01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 1: Those are my ten favorite interviews. I hope you like them,

2357
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 1: hope you look out for more as we we're trying

2358
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 1: to get creative, we're trying to create new ways to

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01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 1: do that. How do you recreate the wheel what we're

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01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 1: trying to you know, because we said, like we do

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01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:44,280
Speaker 1: fit interviews at MK. I got one schedule for today,

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01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: I got two more tomorrow. We do interviews at MK.

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01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:50,640
Speaker 1: But do we do m K interviews on MK? I

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01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 1: think we had we had a look, We looked it

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01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 1: deep into our souls around the new year and said,

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01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 1: we're doing them good, but but we're not doing them

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Speaker 1: our way. So let's start doing it. Let's figure that out.

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Speaker 1: Let's go big picture. So we're always changing, We're always

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Speaker 1: evolving here on MKU. If you want to evolve with

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Speaker 1: us and wear our merch, Morningcombat dot Store is the

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Speaker 1: home plenty of new content this week on Morningcombat Dot Store.

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Speaker 1: New lines of merch. There's Luke tough Guy, biker T

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01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 1: shirt looking stuff, there's tied I stuff if you're a

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Speaker 1: BC guy, and there are drug rugs for a limited time.

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Speaker 1: They are back. Why are they back because the demand

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01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 1: has been so huge because not only are they cool

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01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 1: as shit? Right, you got your Mexican hoodie, you know,

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01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:32,440
Speaker 1: that's what we call the Mexican sweatshirts. I don't is

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01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,840
Speaker 1: that racist? I don't know drug rugs whatever, But you

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01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,240
Speaker 1: got that that MK logo there, they're good quality. You

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01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 1: got that pouch in the front where you keep your

2382
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, keep your gimmicks in there. You know, you know,

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01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: you walk down the street wearing that, you'll probably get

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01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 1: pulled over, Bud. You'll you'll be cool in your own town.

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Speaker 1: So check that out. By where we are today, Showtime

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Speaker 1: check out Better Versus Muldowski Saturday night as Bellator returns

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Speaker 1: Championship Boxing Around the Corner BC on Showbox. I hope

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Speaker 1: the MK people turned out for a couple. I got

2390
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:06,120
Speaker 1: some nice messages there. Schipbox a long standing fun vehicle

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Speaker 1: twenty one years, putting young prospects against each other to

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Speaker 1: match him tough to find out you know who's ready

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Speaker 1: for prime time. Love being a part of that one. Also,

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Speaker 1: the Sports Podcast Awards dot Com. I think there were

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Speaker 1: running out of time here for you to log in

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Speaker 1: vote for Morning Combat for best Combat Sports Podcast. Remember

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Speaker 1: the folks at CBS have said, hey, guys, we loved

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Speaker 1: you winning that award over the New Year. Right corporations

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Speaker 1: love it right, they could say, award winning Morning Combat

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Speaker 1: the best podcast in MMA. Oh you don't believe me.

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Speaker 1: Talk to the world m May Awards. They gave it

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Speaker 1: to us. You know what they said. They said, if

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Speaker 1: you can win Best Combat Sports Award at Sports Podcast

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Speaker 1: Awards dot Com, we'll do a live show, a real

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Speaker 1: live show with the fans in Vegas International Fight Week

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Speaker 1: this July. And I know you hear those same rumors.

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Speaker 1: I hear that one Connor McGregor could be uhl, could

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Speaker 1: be lumbering up to return for that action. So we

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Speaker 1: would love to do a big blowout that week. Meet

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Speaker 1: you eat your land Jaeger that you drove across the

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Speaker 1: country to give us after you filled with unspeakably gross fluids.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you'll even tattoo yourself with our logo. Hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: you might win Fan of the Year for twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think that's all that I

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Speaker 1: have to promote. Okay, five star review, Apple Podcasts, Spotify

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Speaker 1: follow us at the channels below. You know, is my

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Speaker 1: Instagram awesome?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: But you know Reggie Jackson, the Cat, Molly the Wonder Dog.

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Speaker 1: They are prominent figures on that. So check out what's

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Speaker 1: going on there. And that's about it. Fan questions Friday, Okay,

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Speaker 1: b C Gonna carve off some time if you like

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Speaker 1: this one on want approach and answer your questions about

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Speaker 1: MMA and answer it honestly and aggressively. Okay, But that's

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Speaker 1: it for this Wednesday hump Day show, War Francis, Because

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Speaker 1: if you're a fighter out there and you're not watching

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02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 1: what Francis is doing and not cheering for him to

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02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,600
Speaker 1: open up some doors that have been shut for too long,

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Speaker 1: then you're missing out, all right. Shout out to our

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Speaker 1: great celebrity client telebase, our great fan base webscream. I

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Speaker 1: see you okay, Okay, Damien, the Donk Donk of the

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Speaker 1: Year in twenty twenty one, Bill and Jen and the

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Speaker 1: RV love all you guys, Antoine and the Last Guy

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02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:25,560
Speaker 1: see you okay, you know. But for our team, for

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Speaker 1: our staff here, I love this game. My name is

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, and I support this show in this message,

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Speaker 1: but I've got two words for you. Yeah,