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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season seven, episode one

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Speaker 1: of Duff Daily's Ice Guys for November twenty, two, thousand seventeen.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien ak Young Jackfruit, and I

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Speaker 1: am joined by my co host, Mr Miles Gray. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a gray weekend. I was just

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Speaker 1: you know, outnowmished smoking, big old doin, Big old Doin.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be back. Good to be back, and

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Speaker 1: we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by

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Speaker 1: the hilarious novelist and writer Leona Maybe. Hello, Hello, how

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Speaker 1: are you? How are you? I'm good? Uh So let's

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Speaker 1: let's get right to it. What is something that you

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Speaker 1: have searched in the not too distant pest that is

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Speaker 1: revealing about who you are as a human being for

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Speaker 1: our listeners. Well, it's not so much what I searched,

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Speaker 1: but how far I took it. Um. I was like

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Speaker 1: writing something in the new book I'm working on, and

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Speaker 1: I needed to like write something about fertility symbols, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what fertility symbols are,

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Speaker 1: Like what is the fertility s mother than like the moon? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: So I google fertility symbol and I followed it down

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Speaker 1: a really long rabbit hole. I ended up on the

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Speaker 1: Etsy page for fertility symbols, one of the actually there's

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Speaker 1: like a thousand different offerings, and I got to for

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Speaker 1: purchase a set of five penuts shaped beads made out

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Speaker 1: of buffalo bone that you carry around with you if

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Speaker 1: you want to get pregnant. Can anyone guess what the

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Speaker 1: Etsy store that made this is? Uh, because like maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe think about a pun. It's bone, hugs and harmony. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say that. Yeah, yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: about meet me too. I was gonna say that too.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to compliment. You didn't compliment the cross

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Speaker 1: very nice. You gave me ad the crossroads so you

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Speaker 1: won't be infertile. So I'm sorry. I'm a little bit

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Speaker 1: ignorant to fertility symbols and the like. It was a

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Speaker 1: hard Google search. Is it just like, is the idea

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Speaker 1: that people carry these symbols to just like this will

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Speaker 1: somehow enhance their power of fertility? I think so. And

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Speaker 1: I think they are like places you can go and

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Speaker 1: like pill roomages. Um. But I just kind of wanted

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, what do is something I

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Speaker 1: can say like this will sound like something that's fertility

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Speaker 1: related other than like I was like a like a

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Speaker 1: a sprig, right, the heart was originally a fertility symbol

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Speaker 1: because yeah, no, no the heart shape like the heart

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Speaker 1: because yeah it's very and yeah, don't look anything like

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Speaker 1: a human heart. So yeah, um wait, So how did

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Speaker 1: that come about? I don't know. I think probably just

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Speaker 1: like through us like a long con right, So well,

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Speaker 1: I think so. The way I heard it is that

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Speaker 1: there used to be a seed that was used as

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Speaker 1: a either an aphrodisiac or birth control in ancient Rome,

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Speaker 1: and it was shaped like a heart, and so that's

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Speaker 1: how it became known like associated with sex and then

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Speaker 1: from sex to love. Is not that far? Um? Wow,

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Speaker 1: is what I vaguely remember having read. I was so

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Speaker 1: bad at drawing hearts as a kid. It it was

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Speaker 1: like it was weird because it's seemingly the most simple

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Speaker 1: figure it out anyway, But now you've gone so good

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Speaker 1: at it, exactly, I'm really good at doing a STUSI

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Speaker 1: s though, what's something, Leona that you think is overrated? Football?

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Speaker 1: Don't get it. I'm never going to get it. But

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Speaker 1: I've actively tried. I tried to be to care and

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Speaker 1: to pay attention. I don't. It's not why are you

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Speaker 1: putting in all this effort? You just want to understand. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's like I want to be in a

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Speaker 1: and I also don't want to be like I want

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Speaker 1: like I don't get it, but you want to be

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Speaker 1: Therefore it is objectively boring. Do you have reasons why

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Speaker 1: you don't like it? Now? Do you know enough to

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Speaker 1: don't even get it and all the plays are so short. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like quick bursts of violence. Yeah, And there's

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Speaker 1: I think that's also a big problem with the league,

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Speaker 1: and like why it's going down in popularity while the

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Speaker 1: NBA is going up is because you know their faces.

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Speaker 1: So you can have these stars who who's like entire

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Speaker 1: personality is out there. Yeah, and you have like a

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Speaker 1: not like the next of the NFL is like, well,

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Speaker 1: why do we get rid of the helmet? That has

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Speaker 1: been actually suggested because they'll be more careful with them.

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Speaker 1: Well they'd be, yeah, because but I think they'd be

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Speaker 1: horrible deaths on the field. Uh yeah, it's not it's

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Speaker 1: not a good suggestion. It is a suggestion that's been raised.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe like just like print their face on the helmet.

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Speaker 1: That's a very least like man, because they all just

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Speaker 1: look like gigantic motherfucker's like, oh, look at his he

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Speaker 1: has a nice disposition on his helmet rather than like

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Speaker 1: some you know, vector art of a buffalo, or even

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Speaker 1: like emoji's on the helmets. How do you feeling? I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna write all these down? We have we have some notes.

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Speaker 1: NFL Miles is actually very close to Roger Goodell's I

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Speaker 1: am very close. What something you think is underrated? Have

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Speaker 1: either of you fellows, done a jigsaw puzzle lately? No? No,

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Speaker 1: recommend There is something so soothing to the adult anxious

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Speaker 1: mind about doing a jigsaw puzzle. Really, and six months

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Speaker 1: ago I got really in the jigsaw puzzles and I've

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Speaker 1: done like fifteen in that time. Are you like good

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work, Like that doesn't look like the pyramid

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Speaker 1: I recommended to everyone, and just try it. Get a

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Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle. Order one on Amazon with an image you like.

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Speaker 1: Do you do it while doing something else? Podcasts usually yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so what's what's what's a good time to finish it? Like?

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Speaker 1: How many? Aren't they like thousands of pieces most of

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Speaker 1: I'm currently working on one. It's amazing. It's wood. It's

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Speaker 1: a wood cut. It's like a ship thing and there

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Speaker 1: are whimsy pieces, like some of the pieces are shaped

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Speaker 1: like the statue of Liberty or a dog and it's great.

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Speaker 1: What's fun? Wait, but it's a it's made of wood.

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Speaker 1: You know. This is blowing my mind. I just know,

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Speaker 1: like the regular puzzles that you know, like are like

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Speaker 1: on really you know recite called card stock paper. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: cut puzzle. I wouldn't recommend starting there. Okay, So for

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Speaker 1: it yet and exactly and you don't need to how

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Speaker 1: much is how much you're talking just to get into

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Speaker 1: the game, I'd imagine this would be My guess is

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Speaker 1: that jigsaw puzzles the cardboard kinder like, yeah, roughly, like

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Speaker 1: you can get them for that. See that's not expensive

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Speaker 1: anybody has suggestions for a stop puzzle, hit me up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well I will check that out because I do like

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Speaker 1: to do. I usually do the like wordle or whatever

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Speaker 1: the words search game on my phone. But like this

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Speaker 1: if you're doing a word thing and listening is doesn't

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Speaker 1: I struggle with those two. Remember y'all got me crying

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Speaker 1: mean you're not a reader that some people are. I tried.

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Speaker 1: I tried, but now you're too busy learning hearts you

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Speaker 1: I'm upset that my precious pit bull is still being

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Speaker 1: They felt like generally like people kind of were like, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: we know that like pit bulls are there's no bad dogs,

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Speaker 1: there are only bad people. Um is that the expression? Yes?

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Speaker 1: But I feel like it's such a go to like

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Speaker 1: dog in a TV show, you can get a pit bull.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that is some bullshit. In my mind.

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Speaker 1: Chihuahua are the worst dogs. Us are way more aggressive.

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Speaker 1: They're just like naturally aggressive dog. Yeah, And what's I

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Speaker 1: I guess you know why because like for the longest time,

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Speaker 1: I feel like in the nineties, like every court show,

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Speaker 1: and this man pitbull attacked me or whatever, and it's

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Speaker 1: it was always like the owner who like lived like

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Speaker 1: don't know. They used to be used as like they

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Speaker 1: your pitbull to guard the baby when you went and

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Speaker 1: left your baby alone. They're the sweetest dogs. No, They're

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Speaker 1: like naturally like the most loving, sweetest, like protective dogs.

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Speaker 1: how old this eighteen great? So We're gonna leave him

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Speaker 1: working around women as an issue, rather than like, Okay,

425
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: I can work around a woman because I'm not a

426
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: fucking sex crap. And if it means maybe like you

427
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Speaker 1: don't make a dirty joke, I feel like that's maybe

428
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: the right sacrifice to make for getting an entire gender

429
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: allowed to well right in In a way, it's also

430
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: it's a way to check your privilege as a male too,

431
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, like, let me think of things

432
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: I cannot say or will actively try to not say

433
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: because and it's like, oh, maybe don't put that in

434
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: your show. Then yeah, you know it's offending the female

435
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: comedy writer in the room. Yeah, I mean the Franken

436
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: thing especially made me think about just that, like how

437
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: difficult it is to come for when when something like

438
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: this has happened to you, because this woman had her

439
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: ask grabbed by like this famous politician and like didn't

440
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: tell anyone until somebody else like kind of gave her

441
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: the courage to actually be like, Okay, yeah, he is

442
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: like a shitty dude who like does weird stuff. And

443
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: she's saying, like right after she told her husband straight away,

444
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: she's like, he totally wrapped my ass. And that's also

445
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: interesting too, Like you think as a husband you'd be

446
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: like I'm not to roll this dude up or something,

447
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or say something, But even

448
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: then I'm sure as a man, and you're like I

449
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: don't want to be this guy who's like making a

450
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: scene accusing this like senator of right. Yeah, it's tough,

451
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: but I agree. The thickness of the line seems to

452
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: be pretty reassuring. I guess, yeah, pretty pretty thick. It

453
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: seems like every time it seems like on the surface,

454
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 1: based on the headline, like it might be a thing

455
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: that could go either way. You read on and they're

456
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: always like yes, and then people don't re past the

457
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: headlines are gonna no no, Like the George de Kay

458
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: thing like wasn't like no he drugged the dude and

459
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: then pulled his pants down, And it's like, you know,

460
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: I think once you if you actually really just like,

461
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: why aren't the headlines saying these things too? Yeah, you'd

462
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: probably get more clicks. The George Kay thing is actually

463
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: interesting because you can kind of see the moment in

464
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Speaker 1: a Howard Stern interview where he realizes that he's like

465
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Speaker 1: one of these people, like right right, He's like, oh, yeah,

466
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: that's a much better uh. And finally, before we got

467
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: a break, we just wanted to talk about the fact

468
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: that yesterday we saw that Charles Manson's name was trending, uh,

469
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: and we assumed the worst that he, right also was

470
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: one of these sexual assaulters. But no, he's he's just

471
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: gone on. He's passed on from this life. Yeah. Uh

472
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: so why are why are people so obsessed with Charles rights?

473
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: I we were talking about this earlier because as a kid,

474
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: it seemed like something like white kids were more into

475
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: like Charles Manson Because to me, just saying like a

476
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: guy with Swaska was terrifying. So for me, I like,

477
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: I listen, I am not condoning the actions of Charles Manson.

478
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he was a good dude, but I

479
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: am fascinated by him as like a cultural figure, and

480
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: I also just as like as a figure of like

481
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: unintentional comedy where it's like, really, what happened with Charles

482
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: Manson was the biggest overcorrection of all time, Like basically,

483
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: send some people out. They accidentally killed some people, and

484
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: he's like, guess we got to start a race war

485
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: so they don't suspect us. Let's go murder Sharon Tate.

486
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, you just overcorrected. Yeah, yeah,

487
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: and he went all in on it, and it's kind

488
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: of like like it was really didn't deflect, so he

489
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: was trying to imply that it was like black people

490
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: trying to I didn't realize yeah, um, and yeah, there's

491
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: all this like they were like pig on the wall

492
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: to be like the cops and like all of this

493
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: stuff that was basically just ended up committing way more

494
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: murders to try and like deflect attention from like yeah

495
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: and now mom. But he went all the way in.

496
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: Is the thing, Like he's still like he decided he

497
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: was just like Jesus figure basically like during this process

498
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: and he's still like he didn't think he was gonna

499
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: he was supposed to not die. But I feel like

500
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: most people just not even knowing that, are still like

501
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: very interested. I guess maybe it's just like people's morbid

502
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: fascination with like like with cults and murder. That era

503
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles too, is a lot of and it

504
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: was like the hippie like when the hippie thing bled

505
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: over into oh, this could be this weird like psychological

506
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: sort of yeah, cult thing. Do you guys remember the

507
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: story a couple of years ago of Charles Manson's like

508
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: very beautiful wife fiance. So he was engaged to this

509
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: like really hot like women are like mid twenties, and

510
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: he found out like she gave an interview and she

511
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm only marrying Charles Manson because when

512
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: he dies, I want to get his corpse and display it,

513
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: which like, first of all, you don't get your husband's corps.

514
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: It's not Excuse me, I don't. I don't think that's

515
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: how it works. Um. But Manon broke off their engagement

516
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: because he's like, no, if you're a true believer, you

517
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: would know that I'm immortal and I'm not going to die,

518
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: just like you must not really be a. First of all,

519
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: you don't believe that I'm immortal, Okay, well this is off.

520
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: Wow yeah, but that that is interesting because the whole

521
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: pig thing just seemed like a weird, like sort of

522
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: pseudo religious like a sacrifice thing. Or I think I

523
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: had also heard, uh something about a reference to the Beatles,

524
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: because there's references to pigs on the White album and

525
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: obviously help your Skelters from the White Album, but yeah,

526
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was. You know, they're shitty attempt

527
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: to be man, make fake Twitter accounts to be like,

528
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: look what these thugs are doing, right, we got tweets

529
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: from them. Yeah, that's wild to think. But then but

530
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: then you see stuff like Sophie was saying, like on

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Speaker 1: the A M as they flashed a graphic during the

532
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: show that said that Charles Manson was dead he's a

533
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: big which is crazy. I mean, like, this dude is

534
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: sucking murder. I don't know why you need to like

535
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: interrupt regular programming, even if you're not stopping it, but

536
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: just even to alert people. I talked before about how

537
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: like Einstein is probably one of the hottest brands in

538
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: the world just he because he gets credit for like

539
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: all smart things like when people have a quote that

540
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: they want to miss a tribute online to make it

541
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: sound smarter, they always give a time Stein. I think

542
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Charles Manson is like that for evil. He's just like

543
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: the Charles Manson. Well, I'm glad he's gone because now

544
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: we can all pay respect to the true Manson. God,

545
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: that's Shirley Manson from Garbage. Shout out to you, Shirley.

546
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: Now you have the Manson thrown, you have the title.

547
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: Run with it and do good with him. All right,

548
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.

549
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: And we're back. So we wanted to get into the

550
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: the Cokes. You might have read it and pronounced it

551
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: the cotches in your head, that's how it's it's choc h.

552
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: But they are the Coke Brothers. They are uh, among

553
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: the wealthiest human beings on the planet Earth. When you

554
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: take them together, David and Charles. Uh, if they if

555
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: you combined their wealth, which you might as well because

556
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: they basically have all the same you know, yeah, they

557
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: would be the wealthiest person in the world other than

558
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. As we've talked about, Vladimir Putin is the

559
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: richest person in the world. He just spresides his money

560
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: among his friends and colleagues. Uh so he has a

561
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: good friend who is a great celloist who also has

562
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: three billion dollars in the bank, because yeah, I don't

563
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: even think yo yo Ma has like three million dollars

564
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: in the bank, and that's the best cellist in the war. Right.

565
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: But anyway, so the Koch brothers, Um, there's this great

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00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: book uh called Dark Money by Jane Mayer, who is

567
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: a New Yorker reporter. Uh that so the way it's

568
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: her reporting on this started out is she was looking

569
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: at the Tea party, this like grassroots movement of you know,

570
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: fifty year old white rich guys who dressed up as

571
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, Revolutionary era American soldiers and Founding fathers

572
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: and uh they which, by the way, the Founding Fathers

573
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: didn't even dress up like Founding Fathers when they did it.

574
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: They dressed up as Native Americans for the tea party.

575
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: But that's another thing. Uh So, she noticed that wording

576
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: in on the signs in like Los Angeles and then

577
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: in Wichita would be identical. The wording would be the same.

578
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: And this was supposedly just this naturally occurring grassroots thing.

579
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: It's grassroots based astro turf fake as grassroots. So she

580
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: started looking into it and it seemed like these two brothers,

581
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: the Cokes, were you know, somehow involved, and she reached

582
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: out to their company, and their company like denied it

583
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: in a very convincing way. And then she went down

584
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: to this sort of convention for tea Party, uh tea partiers,

585
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: and it was completely run by the Koch brothers, and

586
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: apparently they had forgotten to tell people that, like they

587
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to be involved, because the people were like,

588
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the Cokes, Yeah they're great. They fund all

589
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: of this and it's wonderful, and like yeah, they were

590
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: giving out awards to like best Tea Party Blogger for

591
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: like some woman who wrote an article called like the

592
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: coke it in Chief about Obama, like claiming he was

593
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: a cokehead. So it was like, like cocaine had not

594
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: a coke brother head. Yeah yeah right, their cocadfferent. Uh.

595
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that I don't know. The Tea Party

596
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: never totally made sense to me as a grassroots movement,

597
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: just because I don't like envision these guys like hanging

598
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: out like around the water cooler, being like, I don't know,

599
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: let's let's address let's all dress up like this and

600
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: that catching fire. It just seemed to suddenly be a thing.

601
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: And that's because it was a Coke brother operation. Uh,

602
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: they're really good at staying under the radar. Um. They

603
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: inherited a lot of their money from their father, who

604
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: uh made his money by building oil refineries for Stalin

605
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: and Hitler amazingly so and uh one of his favorite

606
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: sayings was the whale gets harpooned after its surfaces to

607
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: spout or something like that. So basically, like you just

608
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 1: stay under the surface to stay out of trouble. So,

609
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: like they are really good at staying invisible. It wasn't

610
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: until like Jane Mayer really looked into this that it

611
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: was that their name became sort of a household name.

612
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: Their father co founded the John Birch Society, which is

613
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: this like hyper arch conservative group of white people that

614
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: is like vaguely racist. Um so what While Obama was

615
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: being inaugurated the first time, like well, most of the

616
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: country was in Washington, d C. Celebrating, the Cokes were

617
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: having this conference in Indian Wells, California, where they were

618
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: all just like panicking because they thought Obama was going

619
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: to do what people elected him for, like to go first. Yeah,

620
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: well and like start you know, taking money away from

621
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: these really wealthy people. Uh and you know, like taxing

622
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: them and taking away some of their loopholes, and uh,

623
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: legislating to stop global warming. That's kind of their main causes.

624
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: They wanna get rid of the idea that global warming

625
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: is man made and done it pretty good. They've been

626
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: incredibly successful. Like there is not a country other than

627
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: America where it's even a question, but in America there's

628
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: been a rise in the number of people who think

629
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: it's not uh not a man made thing. And that's

630
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: to a large degree because of the cokeship. Yeah, this

631
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: is just the beginning. So in nineteen eighty, David Coke,

632
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: who's like sort of the Charles Coke, is the main CEO,

633
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: billionaire like brains behind the operation. They both graduated from

634
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: M I. T. David also pretty smart, but not really

635
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: the brains behind the operation. But he ran as VP

636
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Speaker 1: on the Libertarian to get for president in night and

637
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: they thought they were gonna like have this great uprising

638
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: of you know libertarians who would all get their message,

639
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: and instead they got one percent of the vote, and

640
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: UH got sort of laughed out of the presidential election.

641
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: And so at that point they were like, Okay, we

642
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: are going to fuck everything up. Well, we're going to

643
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: rather than except that that's just not how Americans thought.

644
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: They were like, we're going to change how Americans think.

645
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: So they started funding all these think tanks, they started

646
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: donating to colleges. UM. So at this meeting in two

647
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Speaker 1: thousand nine, which had like all these incredibly wealthy people,

648
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 1: it had um the melon like Carnegie Melon is funded

649
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: by the Carnegies and the Melons. They're like a banking

650
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: and gulf oil dynasty, uh, A bunch of the other

651
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: like really famous names, the DeVos family, which uh is

652
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: apparently the heir to Amway in Michigan. Uh, And that's

653
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Betsy DeVos is like a scion of the DeVos family.

654
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: So that like all of these different dots start connecting

655
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: when you look at the Cokes. And so they had

656
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: this meeting where they like talked about how they were

657
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: gonna wage war against Obama and like all these different

658
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: ways they were going to fight him. They came up

659
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: with the idea for uh this like tea party uprising

660
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: and in two thousand and ten, the year after they

661
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: started like making this a regular thing. In two thousand

662
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: and ten, at this meeting, UH, Justices Scalia and Thomas

663
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: both spoke at the meeting. UH. That is the same

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Speaker 1: year that the Supreme Court passed Citizens United, which has

665
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: been one of the biggest weapons for like incredibly wealthy

666
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: people to influence you know, American politics and essentially allowing

667
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: corporations to have like First Amendment rights that said like, hey, yeah,

668
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: we can treat them like individual so they can spend

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Speaker 1: unlimited amounts of money in elections and you know, completely

670
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: metal in the our democratic process. Yeah, but that's not

671
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: a big deal, you know what I mean, because he's

672
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: been going pretty well. It's like everyone is at this

673
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: one meeting where they like, all all of the people

674
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: who have this really sort of crazy outside of the

675
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: sort of mainstream like billionaire the actual illuminati, right, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

676
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: we got to make up the Illuminati there actually exist.

677
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: They hang out in Indian who House, and they have

678
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices hanging out there, you know, you know,

679
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: people who can fundamentally shift the entire discussion and direction

680
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: that our our politics are going in. But that's so

681
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: like back in when they first ran, William F. Buckley,

682
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: who's like the main conservative intellectual of the twentieth century,

683
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: like called their movement quote anarcho totalitarianism. He was like,

684
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: it's insane. It's like he laughed at the idea is

685
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: that they were putting forward. It was like so obviously

686
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: lined up with their own self interest. Essentially, it's just

687
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: basically like we want no government intervention on like anything

688
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: having to do with our money or our companies polluting.

689
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: They're they're also big on like environmental things and like

690
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: getting the government not to prevent corporations from you know,

691
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: doing whatever they want with chemicals in the environment. There's

692
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: some really scary ship happening because their companies are like

693
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Speaker 1: amongst the biggest offenders when it comes to pollution and

694
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Speaker 1: things like that, which is why they despise the federal

695
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: government and despise regulation and just they're like, do let

696
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Speaker 1: us do whatever the funk we want to do, is

697
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: kind of their mentality right by any cost, right. Their

698
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: their companies are mostly like big like petrol Chemical uh

699
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: and UH refineries for Hitler Hitler and uh, you know,

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00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: different chemicals that go into the stuff you use. But

701
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: then they also have recognizable brands like Downey Dixie Cups

702
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: are made by them. Yeah, angel Soft, Quilted, Northern Micra,

703
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: Brawny soft and gentle guys. Just stop wiping your ass

704
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: and you can really show the Koch brothers but taking

705
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: a dent in their uh, take a bite out of

706
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Speaker 1: their bottom line. So Charles, the older brother, was raised

707
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Speaker 1: by this nanny who was just a fervid Nazi and

708
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: she like, like openly like I love Hitler. Uh. And

709
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Speaker 1: it was during the start of World War Two, no,

710
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: just like with her mouth like I love hit and

711
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: then ended up. She raised them for five years and

712
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: then left because when Hitler invaded France, she said she

713
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: wanted to go back and be there for the party essentially. Um,

714
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Speaker 1: So that's who he was raised by. Uh. And you

715
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Speaker 1: know they've just they've been caught pocketing millions from Indian reservations.

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Speaker 1: They like just do every just just cartoon villains in

717
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: every way. They're the most art human beings. Right. But

718
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Speaker 1: so our writer Sam Rabman, who we asked to look

719
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: into this, made a good point because we were like, Okay,

720
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Speaker 1: let's talk about how these guys are cartoon villains and

721
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, but they're actually just really kind

722
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: of savvy people with a ton of money and they

723
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: looked at what America would allow them to do and

724
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: they just did that. So it's almost it's more of

725
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: an indictment of the system that like the system allows

726
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Speaker 1: people who have enough money to sort of become these

727
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Speaker 1: oligarchs who can you know, pressure the government and change

728
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Speaker 1: government policy. Well, yeah, and you look at their huge

729
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: basically supporters of the misinformation campaign to deny climate change. Uh,

730
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Speaker 1: they you know, on top of that, we've spoke i

731
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: think last week or the week before about them also

732
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: being behind this movement to trigger a constitutional convention to

733
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Speaker 1: like hopefully really solidify like changing the constitution to like

734
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Speaker 1: really just make sure the oligarchy is safe as it

735
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: is and uh, you know, the government's hands are off it.

736
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: And again, like especially with this tax bill that's coming

737
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: up to it's important to realize that the Koch brothers

738
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: are huge donors to the GOP and the one thing

739
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: that all GOP politicians gather around and unite for our

740
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: tax cuts, and that's usually because of people like to

741
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: Koke brothers or they're very wealthy donors who are essentially like,

742
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: get my tax cuts done, get my tax cuts done,

743
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: get my taxes done. Yeah, I mean Democrats like tax

744
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: cuts for like people who aren't super wealthy already there,

745
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: although they also you know, they get a lot of

746
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: money from Wall Street two and okay for their tax

747
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: cuts and deploys. But there's yeah, these specifically seem to

748
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: be tax cuts for the extremely wealthy. Like there doesn't

749
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: seem to be any uh, confusion over what's going on there.

750
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: Well and yeah, and most politicians again we probably said

751
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: last week, there are politicians who are openly just saying like, yeah,

752
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: we got get these tax guys done so my donor

753
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: dollars don't dry up, Which you can't say that, Yeah,

754
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: you can't say that, like and don't admit that this

755
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: whole thing is a fucking sham. But again, when you

756
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: have people of this powerful and wealthy who can spend

757
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: unlimited amounts of money, it's hard to escape their influence.

758
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: And it's like an orab borus of like, you know,

759
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to see what you can get away with,

760
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: and then you're creating the system allows you to get

761
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: away with more. And it just seems like, how are

762
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: we ever going to get out of the cycle. Yeah, Yeah,

763
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: I mean I do think that one of the things

764
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: that makes me optimistic is that they just they were

765
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: completely invisible for a lot of their whole sort of

766
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: scheme to change the way Americans think up until people

767
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: started reporting on them, and now people know about them.

768
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: But I mean the way Jane Mayer describes it as

769
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: like it's like you see a bunch of uh, you know,

770
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: iron filings on a table being moved around. You know,

771
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: there's like some giant magnet under the table moving it around,

772
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: and so they're the magnet under the table. We just

773
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: didn't have really a look at it. So hopefully we

774
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: can kind of do something about, uh, you know, how

775
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: they are fucking with the way the country works. But

776
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: you're optimism because I'm kind of just like I kind

777
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: of feel like it's too late, like kind of feel like,

778
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: you know what, I think it's worth a try. Yeah.

779
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: I think the more people know, right, it's it's easier

780
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: than people just kind of be like, well, why is

781
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: all this happening? To know that there are like like

782
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: larger forces at work, especially to like that they're in

783
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: the news again because now they're trying to invest in

784
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: that company that's trying to buy Time Inc. So now

785
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: they're trying to own the huge chunk of the media now.

786
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: And it's already like we're already in bad water because

787
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: they're places like Sinclair Broadcasting that, like I think they

788
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: broadcast is something like sevent of our homes. To have

789
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: people with these like very conservative, like pro business, like

790
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: anti middle class agendas, also like controlling the news that

791
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: people are seeing in their homes. I mean, yo, like

792
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: I guess the daily is that guys the only thing

793
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: you guys could listen to, you know what I mean? Truth?

794
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like where do you go then when

795
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: these are the people who are also at the levels

796
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: of of the information the plus I had more ads

797
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: with the brawny guy, right, yeah, I'm mad jealous of

798
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: that guy because you can grow full beard. But that's

799
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: that's neither here there. It does have a great period. Yeah,

800
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: so they're outwardly libertarian, but when it comes down to it,

801
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: like they are mostly interested in their own wealth. So

802
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: for instance, uh, when there's the big government bailout for

803
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: Wall Street banks, which is like the least libertarian thing ever,

804
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: Like the libertarian move would be to just let the

805
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: markets fail, because that's what they were doing naturally on

806
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: their own. Instead, there's this giant, multibillion dollar bailout for

807
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: the bank. Um. They basically once they saw that the

808
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: market was actually about to creator, Uh, they switched their

809
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: position to being pro bail out because they just didn't

810
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: want to lose money. Right, But they say, I mean

811
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: it is a for like I don't want to be

812
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: optimistic in the sense that like, yeah, this is gonna

813
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: be easy now that we know about it. Like they

814
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: say that they are like the more people learn about

815
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: their operation, the more they realized they're actually bigger and

816
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: more powerful than the Republican Party. Yeah, there that they're

817
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: that powerful. They just have more influence than the actual

818
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: Republican Party. Uh, it's just we I didn't know about

819
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: them up until this point. And I remember for the

820
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: longest time too, they were they were trying to figure out.

821
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: When Trump was give the nomination, they despised him and

822
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: they were like, no, we can't get behind this. And

823
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: there was a lot of a lot of debate even

824
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: amongst the donors, and a lot of even politicians were

825
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: worried because like, which way are the Coke's gonna go

826
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: on this guy. So they have a pretty substantial hold

827
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: on things we should say. But I guess that's true.

828
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Speaker 1: Like even like when you look at Robert Mercer, he

829
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: ducked out a little bit too when people began to

830
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: like his name became quite commonplace in these discussions about

831
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: like who props up which media people, who is investing

832
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Speaker 1: in certain political agendas, And I guess I don't know.

833
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, if their whole thing was

834
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: to not be the whale that breaches so you don't

835
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: get harpooned, I mean, shit, at the very least we

836
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: can see like a dorsal fin right. No, they they

837
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: have totally breached and probably aren't happy about it. So

838
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I think generally a good rule of thumb is anything

839
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: that makes the Cook brothers sweat a little bit is

840
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: probably good for the country and like the vast majority

841
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: of the populations and conquer, unless it's immigration, because that's

842
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: the weird thing. Because they are so pro business. They

843
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: don't mind amnesty for immigrants because for them, it's like, oh,

844
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: that means a larger workforce. Right, even then it has evil,

845
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: it's not even like oh, because we believe people should

846
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Speaker 1: allow it to be allowed to like enter this country

847
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: and have a better life. It's more like, well, if

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Speaker 1: they're gonna become a potential worker, we can pay people. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know you were talking about how people

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Speaker 1: didn't know which way they were going to go on

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Speaker 1: the Trump thing, that they didn't actually break towards Trump.

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Speaker 1: What they did is they moved Trump towards them. Like

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Speaker 1: Trump has now changed his policies. He brought Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: on as his VP. Mike Pence is completely made. He

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Speaker 1: was like a figment of the Koch Brother's imagination, like

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Speaker 1: he was invented by them. He was just like a

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Speaker 1: uh am radio DJ when they found him, who had

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Speaker 1: never held down a successful job in his life. Um,

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Speaker 1: he was an am radio DJ. Yeah, or he was

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Speaker 1: a radio DJ, like a talk radio DJ. Pens in

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Speaker 1: the morning, Yeah, Mike pants in the morning. He can

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Speaker 1: barely wake you up in the morning. He has no charisma.

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Speaker 1: I know, well that's he kind of learned how to speak.

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Speaker 1: And because I was like, hey, what's up. It's crazy

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Speaker 1: Mark Mike and the fire Boys. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he was He wasn't like a drive time Drivetime

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Speaker 1: Morning Zoo DJ just like it was like a concern.

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Speaker 1: He was like a russ limbo type him just playing

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Speaker 1: pop songs and then commenting on why they're evil. Right,

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Speaker 1: well he did think Mulan was evil too, right, it

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Speaker 1: all makes sense. Um. But also, yeah, like I said,

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Speaker 1: Betsy DeVos being the head of Education despite just being

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Speaker 1: a you know, incredibly wealthy uh scion or I guess

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Speaker 1: her husband is the actual descendant of the DeVos throne.

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Speaker 1: But still that that she she was at the coch

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Speaker 1: in Game of Thrones, right, that's actually yes, Davos house. Uh,

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Speaker 1: she was part of their like party for billionaires where

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Speaker 1: they determine how to funk with Democrats. Um, so that there.

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Speaker 1: I do think that it would be a mistake to

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Speaker 1: think that the Koch brothers eventually we're like, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: Trump guys not so bad. I guess we'll go along

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Speaker 1: with his policies. It was that Trump essentially gravitated towards

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Speaker 1: them because they're more powerful than the Republican Party. Um. Alright,

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Speaker 1: so that is all the time we have for the

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Speaker 1: Koch brothers. But this will almost certainly be an ongoing story.

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Speaker 1: Never it never does. All right, we'll be right back,

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Speaker 1: and we're back. All right, we are kind of over time,

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Speaker 1: so we're just gonna go out on a quick story

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Speaker 1: about how China is. It turns out just as sick

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Speaker 1: of Katie Perry as you are, not me, No, not

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Speaker 1: you were Katie Ferry, Katie Ferry pans were Katie Perry

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Speaker 1: fans here on the Daily Zycheist, but uh, China not

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Speaker 1: so much. Oh my goodness. So like this weekend was

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Speaker 1: the victorious Secret Fashion show in China. Big thing, big,

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Speaker 1: big things going on over there. Now, they were saying,

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Speaker 1: there are a couple of reasons why this show got

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention. One, Ji Hadid was expected to

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Speaker 1: go on the runway. But she's a famous model, very yes,

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Speaker 1: very famous model. Uh I knew that. Yeah, daughter of Yolanda.

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Speaker 1: But there was a picture of her making like kind

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Speaker 1: of slanty Asian eyes with a Buddha cookie. So China

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Speaker 1: was like, sorry, sorry, may you can't get in the country,

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Speaker 1: which I'm good with. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, that

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Then also Katy Perry, who was meant to perform,

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Speaker 1: she was basically they said no, we can't, We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna let you in. Because this had to do within

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Speaker 1: a performance she did in she performed at a concert

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Speaker 1: in Taiwan. Already that that'll get you on a list

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're dealing with the Chinese government. But

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Speaker 1: she was wearing like a Taiwanese flag and had like

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Speaker 1: a sunflower dress on, which was like you know, they

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Speaker 1: say was could have been a reference to the Sunflower

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Speaker 1: Revolution in Taiwan. So China basically Katy Perry's sense of geopolitics.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't to that exactly? I think she I think

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Speaker 1: the dress that might have made it like a hundred

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Speaker 1: years in the future, like historians realized, like all of

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Speaker 1: her her insane stagecraft with a really dope like political

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Speaker 1: anarchic that bone appetite will be read like that I

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Speaker 1: have a dream speech by kids in school. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so because of that, China basically said that she's indefinitely

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Speaker 1: banned or not allowed to enter the country. So that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: indefinitely banned from China. Definitely sorry, and we're not gonna

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Speaker 1: do anything. We're not taking it back. This is it.

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Speaker 1: Uh So one of our writers, Allison, she was kind

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Speaker 1: of going through and seeing that, like you know, China

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Speaker 1: does have a thing with basically keeping people out of

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Speaker 1: the country over their social media posts. Uh so like

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Speaker 1: China is always watching, They're always watching. The keyboard player

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Speaker 1: from Ruined five band Why because he said happy birthday

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Speaker 1: to the Dalai Lama on Twitter. That's enough. That's enough

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Speaker 1: to get you basically banned from entering the country. The

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Speaker 1: Dali Lama appreciated the keyboard Also keyboard playing from Room five.

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Speaker 1: No one knows your name, sorry that we call kee

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Speaker 1: call your keyboard playing. I wonder if the band was

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Speaker 1: keyboard player from Room five or if it is man,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they went there, like look, sorry keyboard player.

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Speaker 1: The rest of us can go because we're not doing

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Speaker 1: birthday tweets of the dialama. Also, I don't think the

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Speaker 1: dial A Lama checks his mentions, so, you know, does

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Speaker 1: not seem like very principal. Let me check my mentions

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Speaker 1: and then also so then there are other people who

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Speaker 1: have also been who are barred from entering the country,

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Speaker 1: Lady Gaga, york Oasis because they've been very vocal of

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Speaker 1: their supportive Tibet and Justin Bieber, you know, because I

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Speaker 1: think he's just Justin Bieber. So, guys, if you want

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Speaker 1: to go to China, be careful in your social media

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Speaker 1: because they will check that. I don't think regular people

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Speaker 1: are being barred, but again, if you, if you're of

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Speaker 1: anyone of note, be careful of what you say because

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Speaker 1: it can get you barred from entering China. Another fun

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Speaker 1: fact to come out of the story apparently Katie Perry's

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Speaker 1: fans in China call her fruit sister because she wears

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Speaker 1: so many fruit deemed costumes. Wow, fruit sister, Fruit sister. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: that's my new goal. Some gonna call me fruit sister.

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Speaker 1: We'll get your social media game up and maybe make

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Speaker 1: it make a splash in China. Leona, this has been

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Speaker 1: a blast. Where can people follow you? You at me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Leona maybe which is probably

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Speaker 1: not about how you think it is, but making it

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Speaker 1: a game. L I A N A m A E

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Speaker 1: B y at Fruit Sister. Check make sure that's available.

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Speaker 1: Oh for me, guys, please Twitter, Instagram at Miles of Gray.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody's kind words about the show on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and in your reviews. We really appreciate that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: keep the reviews coming. You can follow me at Jack

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Speaker 1: of the show. But we also put up our footnotes

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Speaker 1: as a source for today's episode. Uh, and that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for today. Good episode one. Guys. We will

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