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Speaker 1: the physical world protection? You know, especially for women, Like

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00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: that was so undeserved and it was completely unprovoked. Completely

431
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 1: I hadn't even seen this man. So it's not like

432
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: I cut him off first and then he got me

433
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: back or no, Like I was just like enjoying my

434
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: morning singing in the car um and he went out

435
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: of his way to find me and thrust that experience

436
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: onto me and then go on about his life. And

437
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: so I think for us, um, if you're in the

438
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: bipop community, but especially if you're just a woman, it's

439
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: like really noticing how often do we experience that, even

440
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: if it's not racially motivated, or if it's not a

441
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: road rage incident, but how often do we experience that

442
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: of people coming in and trying to unload toxic shit

443
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: on you and then you just having to find a

444
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: way to keep going anyway and finding a way to

445
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: thrive anyway. Yeah, and I think you know, we can't

446
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: lose sight of you know, um, the embodiment of the

447
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: black woman, you know, in that dynamic, right, And so

448
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: there there is a provocation. The provocation is um, the

449
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: embodiment of you illuminating you know, as you do wherever

450
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: you step foot and embodying your joy, you know, coming

451
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: into spaces that UM are affirming and that you've manifested

452
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: and all of that you carry with you and and

453
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: and people can see as they see you, right and

454
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: as a wet right, that two individuals that embody white fragility. Um.

455
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: And so that's the provocation. It's not that you necessarily

456
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: provoked yourself, but the provocation is the embodiment of black joy.

457
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Your existence provokes, right, You're you're unfiltered, you know, just

458
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: illuminating existence is a provocation to those who wish you

459
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: to stay in a in a position of embody and

460
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: oppression within yourself, right. And so it's an unfortunate circumstance

461
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: of the world that we live in, and it is

462
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: what then drives the type of behavior that is the

463
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: embodiment of white terror upon black and indigenous bodies, right

464
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: and minds and spirits and um, all the multiple dimensions

465
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: of you that have you know, captured this terror. Right.

466
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: And so when you're speaking and you know, I just

467
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: I feel in terms of what you were talking about

468
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: and feeling in your heart, there is the fear that

469
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: is intentional, right, that that person intended to impose fear

470
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: upon you so that they can dull your light and

471
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: dull your joy because it's way too threatening for them

472
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: to see, to experience to know it exists. And so um,

473
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's uh something that deserves the opportunity to

474
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: be brought to light. And and so I'm just so

475
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: incredibly proud of you for just utilizing a community based

476
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: platform to say this happened, right, because a part of

477
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: what we've also been socialized to believe is that we

478
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: have to keep it to ourselves, wallow it up and

479
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: just not make it public, not announcement, so that people

480
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: can not only understand this is existing in our world,

481
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: this is happening, and um, I could use community, love

482
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: and help around it, right like, And you're allowing for

483
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: those things to take place, You're allowing for the opportunity

484
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: for people to know this is still a thing. The

485
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: elections have passed and we still have a ton of

486
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: work to do, right and I now have to embody

487
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: traumatic experience because our fragility is at in within our generation,

488
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: at an all time high. Um yeah, yeah, fortunate. It's unfortunate.

489
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: And I think too, it's like noticing my physical response

490
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: to that also in you know, in real time, trying

491
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: to dissolve what that brought forward because even though in

492
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: that moment, I did feel very protected by God, like

493
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: I feel I feel very safe in my being for

494
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: the most part, And you know, it was striking to

495
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: me how I thought I could respond in that situation.

496
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: But then also understanding I'm not getting out of the car,

497
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm not fighting a man in the street. Let me

498
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: make sure he can't get in my car, and I'm

499
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: trying to you know, lock my doors. And then I noticed,

500
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: like I'm shaking, like my whole body was shaking, my

501
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: hands were shaking, and then a piece of me really

502
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: really did not like that, because I felt like, I

503
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: don't want you to see me shake. You want me

504
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: to shake, You want me to feel like I'm less

505
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: than you, you want me to feel um, victimized. And

506
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: so then it's like that kind of wrestle with your

507
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: own body and your own spirit of how you want

508
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: to present, but then also what's like a physiological response

509
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: and then trying not to take that on to mean

510
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: anything about me, you know. So it's just the layering

511
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: when you're when you're in situations like that, those fight

512
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: or flight situations. And I think so much of this.

513
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: You had said something that really resonated, um. You know,

514
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: I think we experience this not just in these really pathetic,

515
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: um racially motivated situations like I experienced today, but something

516
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: you spoke to someone trying to take your radiance, someone

517
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: trying to take your joy, right, Like sometimes that happens

518
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: in our own families, Sometimes that happens in our friendships,

519
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: it happens at work so often, you know, and it's

520
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: like noticing when someone does that and how that actually

521
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: makes you feel about yourself and then if you don't

522
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: let it go in the moment, if you don't actually

523
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: allow yourself the process to work through it or to

524
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: sit with it, and you just try to plow through,

525
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: how you can unknowingly carry that as like microscopic shame

526
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: with you or microscopic you know, worthlessness with you into

527
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: other areas. Um, I don't know that's what's coming forward

528
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: to me. How does that sound to you? Well, it all,

529
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: it all sounds like you know, I think we have

530
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: to think about also the embodiment of a trauma response, right.

531
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: Like you know, even even though granted is incredibly commendable,

532
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: um that you know, you were able to transition into

533
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: your day and not allow this person to steal um

534
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: any more moments from you? Right, there are ways in

535
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: which this sharp transition into Okay, I gotta put my

536
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, podcaster interview hat on. You know, this happened,

537
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: It happened outside. I'm now inside a building, and now

538
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: I have to like switch right like that, that in

539
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: and of itself is a response that falls into the

540
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: umbrella of trauma response, right. And so when we are

541
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: able to take a step back and um process and

542
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: in many of the ways that you have been doing

543
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: right in these moments after the fact, process how your

544
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: emotional world has captured the experience, how you're body is

545
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: capturing um, pockets of tension, and the ways that your

546
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: spirit is holding up right like, all of these things

547
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: are part of how we give ourselves grace and allow

548
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: ourselves an opportunity to process fully what that was like

549
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: and how it tapped into all of the dimensions of

550
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: who we are and allow ourselves a sacred pause and

551
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: an opportunity to just be with that information and breathe

552
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: into it and find a gentle moment, you know, to

553
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: to offer ourselves that counters that very aggressive moment that

554
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: you know you have to experience, and that happens in

555
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: all facets of life with all individuals that you know,

556
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: create some sort of a heightened level of discovered or

557
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: distress within our lives. To be able to take sacred

558
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: pause and then just like process within it is something

559
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: that is incredibly powerful and actually happens to be within

560
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: our control. What happened was outside of your control. But

561
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: a way that we self empower is by bringing um

562
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: into our sacred space, and so that sacred pause space

563
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: the opportunity to engage in things that are within our

564
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: control to to give ourselves, um an opportunity to to

565
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: be gentle and tender and light, you know. Um. And

566
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: and I'm so sorry that you're talking about fight or

567
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: flight because that's exactly where my mind went. Even as

568
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: you said, like this was me back in the day,

569
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I can totally relate. But like, yes, absolutely, I remember

570
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: in college I used to UM, I used to always

571
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I felt like I came from North New Jersey, right,

572
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: and I'm probably of you know, this town that I

573
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: love so dearly. And I remember, you know, going into

574
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: college then it was a very foreign space and there

575
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: weren't a lot of people from Nork, right, And I

576
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: just like I felt like I had to stand my

577
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: ground in the same ways that we used to in Norc. Right,

578
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: and and say I'm from Nork and then you know,

579
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: kind of bring out the quote unquote Norc and me yeah,

580
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: and just let people know what I was about, so

581
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: nobody will step up to me, right, you know. And

582
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: and there was this like embodiment of you know, this

583
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: person that always needed to be in fight mode. Right.

584
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: The flight was actually foreign to me, um. The withdrawal peace,

585
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: the you know, going into myself and and and not

586
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: being able to engage the environment was a little less

587
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: um of my thing than actually enacting and initiating the

588
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: fight mode in the fight or flights. So that was

589
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: more of my default. So I can totally relate to

590
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: you in in that way and and in how physiologically

591
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: that presents itself to us. I remember back back in college,

592
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I used to, you know, whenever I would engage in

593
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: in moments like this, I would be trembling to write, I,

594
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, that is the physiological response of our body

595
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: saying hey, by the way, Debbie Marriel, I'm shutting down

596
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: a little bit here because I can sense that there's

597
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: a threat, there's an imminent threat, and I I'm in

598
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: the process of shutting down all essential bodily functions that

599
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: are non essential body functions, right so that I can

600
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: actually give you enough energy to fight off this threat.

601
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: And so our bodies start to tremble, to sweat, to

602
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, like all of these like hormonal productions of

603
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, what is happening in our bodies as it's

604
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: getting ready and prepared to fight off the threat is

605
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: a very natural response. So I'm so so glad to

606
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: hear that. You're not saying I'm not internalizing that as

607
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: a part of me that I should be ashamed of.

608
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm internalizing that as a human reaction, like the human

609
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: hormonal reaction that is there to protect me. Yeah, and

610
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: I think you know that is really the core what

611
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: you're speaking to, I feel is the core of so

612
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: much of the self work we do is taking a moment,

613
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: as we experience things to say, this doesn't have to

614
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: mean something about me. I don't have to take this

615
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: on as a judgment of myself. The experience that I

616
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: just had right like this man literally was, you know, saying,

617
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: stupid b suck my d You know, he wanted he

618
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: hoped I died, like all of these things, and it's

619
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: like he wanted me to feel less than him because

620
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: of how he feels about himself and how he sees

621
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: the world. M But I can allow myself to give

622
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: myself the dignity of my experience, so share it. I'm

623
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: stating what happened to me. I'm stating that I really

624
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I was scared. It made me feel

625
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: really infringed upon, It made me feel un safe. But

626
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: what I won't take on is the feeling of what

627
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: he was really trying to do is is invalidate my

628
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: being and make me feel small and make me feel,

629
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, terrified to be myself in the world. And

630
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: if I did, that would then change the way I

631
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: am in the world. It would dim my light in

632
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: a certain way. I would perhaps be a little more subdued,

633
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: fearful that if I allowed myself to be joyful, someone

634
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: would want to hurt me or harm me, you know. Um,

635
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: So I think that's just interesting to observe and for

636
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: anybody listening that this is you know, resonating with on

637
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: any level, take a moment to apply, like really the

638
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: depth of what Dr Mariel is sharing to maybe pass

639
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: situations in your life where you might have experienced this

640
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: feeling And it doesn't have to be because of an

641
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: attack or racially motivated, but maybe with your parents, or

642
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe something at school happened, or you know, getting into

643
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: fights at or something at work. But just observe it

644
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: and maybe replay it through this lens and see if

645
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to dissolve there. Yeah. Absolutely, and and

646
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: um it's a wonderful message to be able to relay,

647
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, to the masses, because it doesn't um necessarily

648
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: have to be the experience of white terror and white

649
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: terrorism UM to to bring us to a point of

650
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: reflection of what is yours and what is mine? Right?

651
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: What is it that you are projecting onto me and

652
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: are hoping that I embody on your behalf because it

653
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: is entirely too terrifying for you to acknowledge about yourself.

654
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: And and if we can cast aside whatever is um

655
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: trying to be imposed upon our spirit by way of

656
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: the person that is the perpetrator, the aggressor, or even

657
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: the systems that are perpetrators and aggressives upon black and

658
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: the generus people of colors lives, then you know we

659
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: can embody more of that emotional and holistic freedom right,

660
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: the freedom of being as we are and who we are,

661
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: without the socialization of white terror, which has been very

662
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: much a part of the experience that we've had for

663
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: centuries upon centuries, right, Um, we have had the experience

664
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: of having white terror tell us who we are and

665
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: UM create the kind of circumstance where we've had to

666
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: swallow those words and even internalize it. That's why internalized

667
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: racism makes sense, right, Like a lot of us have. UM,

668
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: we're carrying that weight of that experience because we have

669
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: been terrorized to such an extent that the other option

670
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: that we have for the sake of survival is internalizing

671
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: these ideas about ourselves in the world that feel protective

672
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: but are quite the opposite. Something that you say in

673
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: your work is that historical pain requires multidimensional healing. What

674
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: are those dimensions? How are they characterized? Ah? I love

675
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: talking about that's heavy, and it's what I understand that

676
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, the heavy pieces we have the unpack as well,

677
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: and they are so valid and I'm just so honored

678
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: that you know you you have chosen me to discuss

679
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: this with Thank you for that, UM, and I know

680
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: that you and I you know, definitely resonate with UH.

681
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: The embodiment of the mind, body, Spirit I call a

682
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: soul work because I really do believe that within our

683
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: souls we we embodied these three dimensions of the mind, body,

684
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: and the spirit, and that the three are intertwined and

685
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: interwoven into each other in a way that cannot be extracted. Right,

686
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: we can't attend to one to the detriment of another

687
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 1: and and allow our lives to be in a state

688
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: of unbalanced, right, because we're actually hyper focusing on only

689
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: one mentioned of who we are. So really, the mind,

690
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: the body, and the spirit are those three dimensions that

691
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: I speak to in my work and um, and I

692
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: love to speak to each of them, and I love

693
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: to speak to all of them, right like as a

694
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: as a global whole, um, so that we can remember that,

695
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: especially from the perspective of a therapist, which I think

696
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: is something that is fairly uncommon um the people perhaps

697
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: aren't accustomed to because we're like, we're mind people, right,

698
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: we focused on our minds. But as Angela Davis are

699
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: living ancestors, has said, you know, we have to liberate

700
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: our minds as well as liberate society, right, And so

701
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: I believe in the liberation of us as a people,

702
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: which means that we have deliberate the ways in which

703
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: our bodies have been um depositories for stress and anguish

704
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: and terror, and the same for our spirits. Yeah yeah,

705
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: that yeah, to embody, that integration of all three, you know,

706
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: it's I think it's so when we when we are

707
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: kind of in this space right now in the world,

708
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: like mental health conversations are really at the forefront for

709
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 1: the first time in human history. Uh, and well being

710
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: conversations for all is at the forefront and for the

711
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: first time in human history. But sometimes it feels like

712
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: people on in both of those worlds are acting like

713
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: there's only one road to healing, right, Like, no, just

714
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: go to therapy, like that's what you need. You need

715
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: to understand the root of what's going on with you,

716
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: and or it's like just bees in and just let

717
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: go and just release and move forward. But I found

718
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: in my own healing journey that true remembrance of your wholeness,

719
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: truly standing in your authentic power, and feeling a love

720
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: for yourself that is so strong that it radiates from

721
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: your pores and your being. It requires the integration of

722
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: all three. And so can you speak to perhaps you know,

723
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: as people are doing the work really not just intellectualizing it.

724
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: Understanding it is important. Understanding why we do the things

725
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: that we do is important. But how do we usher

726
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: in that integration? How do we include our bodies and

727
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: our souls in the healing work that we're doing, dismantling

728
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: in our minds? M hmm, yeah, you know it's it's

729
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: really and it takes me back, you know, to our

730
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: conversation on rituals. Right. You know, it's an embodiment of

731
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: the multiple ways in which we can attend to and

732
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: honor each of these dimensions of who we are. Um

733
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: and it it means that we honor by way of action. Right,

734
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: we honor by eliciting action that is healing and profound

735
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: in each of these areas. That the healing of the

736
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: mind isn't just a healing that happens through the process

737
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: as a therapy, if therapy is indeed accessible to a person,

738
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: but that it it also means that we experienced liberation

739
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: by way of cultural consciousness and the understanding of who

740
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: we are as people and our historical knowledge of ourselves,

741
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: and that that is also a part of the ways

742
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: in which the mind becomes liberated. Right. Um, it's about

743
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: Marley's words, emancipate yourself from mental slavery, right, Like it

744
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: really it needs to take on that form as well.

745
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: And healing practices of the mind or wide and varied right,

746
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: and therapy is obviously a very popular one, especially in

747
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: these days. I gotta say I'm really excited about that because,

748
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: like I came into this work like going on nine

749
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: years and I had no idea. We were like in

750
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: in the Shadows, we were these people that nobody wanted

751
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: to deal with, they could needed to. You were like

752
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: everybody's side check a secret, No, no, I don't do

753
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: that right right, And to like, you know, to be

754
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: in this this moment in time, it's just fascinating and

755
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: it makes me so happy that our people are saying, hey,

756
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for myself and it matters, and I matter,

757
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: and you know, my therapeutic journey matters, and let me

758
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: tell you about it. Like it's just so it illuminates

759
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: my life whenever I get to see that, which is

760
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: very often, and I, um, how do you think that

761
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: that that shift and our collective consciousness happened just in

762
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. How do you think we

763
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: came into this space for so many were therapy is

764
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: now this tool of empowerment that you're actually excited to

765
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: tell people about. Like my girlfriends will text me and

766
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: they'll be like, guess what I learned in therapy today,

767
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, And then like even five years ago, that

768
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: wasn't happening in this kind of a way. I think

769
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's in part I have to give

770
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: credit to the people. The people are deciding this is

771
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: a moments in time when we're going to proclaim healing right.

772
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: And I fondly believe that this is the frame of

773
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: mind that this generation has taken up, and we have

774
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: to give credit, you know, to the people themselves. However,

775
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: I do believe that there are, albeit very small movements,

776
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: but movements in the direction of dismantling some of the

777
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: barriers that exist. And when we're talking about this menting,

778
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I think it's important to know, you know, that we

779
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: are in the mental health arena, educating about the actual

780
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: experience around stigma and us being able to have that

781
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: broader conversation of Hay Stigma exists, and this is how

782
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: it exists within our communities as allowed for a point

783
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: of self reflection within this generation where people are like,

784
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's a thing like stigma has kept me

785
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: from being able to solicit therapy. And when we talk

786
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: about the barriers that are financial, people can say, oh yeah,

787
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: these financial barriers have got to go right. And I

788
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: think that these micro conversations around the barriers themselves as

789
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: well have contributed to the larger conversation of I want

790
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: this for myself. I deserve therapy, and I want to

791
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: have a conversation around how therapy can actually be brought

792
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: upon my life. And then once a person gets into

793
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: it and they can actually experience with therapy is able

794
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: to offer. You know, there is an added motivation that

795
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: people are experiencing around speaking to therapy UM. And also

796
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, like there's pre farm between a therapist that

797
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: identifies black UM. However, I think we are very motivated

798
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: to also bring to the for this conversation within our communities,

799
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: like we are abandoning these like old scripts that why

800
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: ideology has imposed upon the mental health world that has

801
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: said like you know, this is something that is secretive,

802
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: and we're saying no, our communities need to talk about this,

803
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: and we're talking about this. And these conversations have I

804
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: think a very large impact and I'm grateful for them. Yeah. Yeah,

805
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: And you know the thing that I really love so

806
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: much about it is it returns our power to us,

807
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: Like being able to speak our truth freely allows us

808
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: to grow. And anytime we're trying to keep any secrets,

809
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: any secrets, there is going to be this natural minimization

810
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: of self that happens. So if we were in therapy

811
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: but we weren't sharing, you know, some of our breakthroughs.

812
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: And you don't have to do it on the Graham, right,

813
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: but even just with people, even just broadening our conversation,

814
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: it's like to do that helps you build your spiritual confidence.

815
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: It helps you practice being this new version of you

816
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: that you're becoming. And so you really limit your growth

817
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: when you're not kind of when you're already in your lessons,

818
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: or you're not just kind of really sharing yourself, or

819
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: you're in fear of what will people think if you know.

820
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: That is the biggest sadness to me about when you're

821
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: stuck in that position of comparativeness or wanting to conceal self,

822
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: you just limit and slow your growth so much, so

823
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: so much, and it's actually antithetical to who we are

824
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: as people, right, Like we are people that we have

825
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: like this enormous grapevine, right that that flows through our

826
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: communities where information just kind of um flows through about

827
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: the experiences that we've had what has helped And this

828
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: has been the case for as long as we've existed

829
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: on this planet, right, Like we have had this communal

830
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: informational like super highway. You know, if you're made to

831
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: use kind of like more um, more modern dating terms.

832
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: But these have been the ways in which people have

833
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: shared thoughts, ideas dealing practices, and there hasn't been a

834
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: secrecy around it, right, There's been a secrecy in modern

835
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: day world that we have imposed upon healing mechanisms and

836
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: especially indigenous healing practices. And we are deciding as people like,

837
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: this is not something that we want to continue to

838
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: embody because this is this is a colonized framework of being, um,

839
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, of existing as a heal itself. The decolonized

840
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: framework is I share that with my cousin, my grandmother,

841
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: my this, my that right, and everybody knows about you know,

842
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: what has worked, and we do that with everything. My parents,

843
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, they for as long as I've lived, they've

844
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: had all these teas that they vote this tis for

845
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: this and this ts for that. You've got gastro issues,

846
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: always got you right, And so there's always been like

847
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: a way that they have imparted knowledge upon me, and

848
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: stral knowledge is saying that we have the tools we

849
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: don't you don't need to know necessarily always go to

850
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, an MDI medical professional in order to actually

851
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: heal you know, parts of you. We have these indigenous practices,

852
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: indigenous wisdom that we want to impose upon you. And

853
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: it hasn't been until now in my you know, early

854
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: to latter thirties, that I've actually experienced such an immense

855
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: gratitude for what they've given me in her life that

856
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: I didn't even know how to all these roots right,

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Speaker 1: And so this is the way that we communicate. We say, hey,

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Speaker 1: the good endtle. You know, like there's so many healers

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Speaker 1: and that healing grapevine. Ah yeah, yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Let's share our tools. Nothing is too small, you know,

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Speaker 1: like we need all of it. We all need to

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Speaker 1: be sharing our tools in each moment. Dr Mary All,

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Speaker 1: I would love to ask you so we at the

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Speaker 1: soul work for everyone listening, something to take them into

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Speaker 1: their week. It can either be a thought, it can

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Speaker 1: soul homework? M hm, yes, I love the question, and

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Speaker 1: thinking about the fact that within the soul we hold

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Speaker 1: very multidimensional question that I'm about to ask, but be

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Speaker 1: asking whether in a journal prompt that you'd like to write,

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Speaker 1: these words, I'd love to ask, how's your soul? And

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Speaker 1: if you could even commit to asking yourself bad for

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Speaker 1: the next seven days, checking in with your mind, with

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Speaker 1: can really shift the perspective of how you start embodying

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Speaker 1: how is your soul feeling? I love that, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to put all of your information, of course within

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Speaker 1: the episode. But for people listening right now, how can

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Speaker 1: they connect to your soul Healing Collective and how can

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Speaker 1: they connect to your beautiful work? M hmm, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I Um, I'm on Instagram at at Dr Marriel Bouquet

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Speaker 1: and be so Healing Collective UM can be found right

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Speaker 1: you know, to be able to be with other souls

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Speaker 1: that are so intentional about healing work. Mm hmm. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time today. I just I

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Speaker 1: enjoy speaking to you so mentally. You have such a

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Speaker 1: radiance UM, and your depth of knowledge is just so delicious.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much for gifting me with your

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Speaker 1: time to be on this show. My song is delicious.

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Speaker 1: I love it that you are giving me all kinds,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of new language to you towards my work.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It is such an honor to be

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Speaker 1: with you, you know, and everything that we've discussed, you know,

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Speaker 1: from the grief to the joy, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: love spendy time with you. So thank you for giving

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Speaker 1: me a pocket of your time to do that, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for holding space for me so beautifully. Thank

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Speaker 1: you that. I think that that was not only was

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Speaker 1: it healing for me, but I think it's such a

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Speaker 1: beautiful example for people that are having questions around how

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Speaker 1: can I show up for others? I think that was um.

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Speaker 1: I think it really gave each of us, uh listening

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Speaker 1: and here a beautiful experience. Thank you. Hey find me

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Speaker 1: on social Let's connect at deVie Brown. That's Twitter and Instagram,

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Speaker 1: or go to my website Debbie Brown dot com. And

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