Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Car Stories with k
Speaker 1: and Amelia Hartford Mike from Evasive Motorsports joining us in
Speaker 1: the booth. Mike founded Evasive Motorsports in two thousand and
Speaker 1: two with his partner Tony. Not only do they sell
Speaker 1: aftermarket product for the community, but they also build and
Speaker 1: race and sponsor other cars and drivers.
Speaker 2: And why is Evasive they go to aftermarket parts company
Speaker 2: because there's a whole bunch of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think in our conversation the listeners will
Speaker 1: find that he has this passion, this love where he
Speaker 1: just kind of devotes everything into trying to perfect a car,
Speaker 1: almost like an ekey guy guy.
Speaker 2: Eke guy, it's the Japanese ancient term that came from
Speaker 2: the northern part of Japan from the showgun Dyna the yakumoko.
Speaker 1: I can't feel of your bullshitting or not.
Speaker 2: Yoshino ah san.
Speaker 1: In the first half.
Speaker 2: What does that mean? Ikey guy?
Speaker 1: Ikey Guy is essentially finding what your purpose on life is.
Speaker 1: And with the conversation with Mike from Evasive, it's that
Speaker 1: it wasn't money that motivated him, it was building cars.
Speaker 1: He's essentially dominated the market and very well respected for
Speaker 1: building tuner cars, specifically the EVO nine and the S
Speaker 1: two K, and doesn't have any plans of slowing down
Speaker 1: anytime soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really wanted to sit down with Mike because
Speaker 2: I've always seen Evasive around the community and when you
Speaker 2: ask anybody about Evasive, their reputation is stillar There's nobody
Speaker 2: pucks any crap about them. And I wanted to know
Speaker 2: how do they last for twenty years and they're so
Speaker 2: respected and beloved in the car community, and like, what
Speaker 2: is their magic sauce?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you may know Evasive, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know directly the owners because I feel like
Speaker 1: they're more private about their lives and they're so focused
Speaker 1: on trying to give back to the community.
Speaker 2: And it seems like Mike is a super like shy guy.
Speaker 2: But you know somebody like him that has been able
Speaker 2: to create a thriving business for the past two decades. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: they're onto something. So something to learn from Mike.
Speaker 1: I also learned what mushing was mushing mushing all right,
Speaker 1: you guys, without further ado, Mike from Evasive.
Speaker 2: Hi, Mike, Hi, Amelia and I were talking this morning,
Speaker 2: were like, so Mike's coming from evasive we know nothing
Speaker 2: about you, oh, which is pretty awesome that we get
Speaker 2: to start this podcast. So Evasive sells. What do you?
Speaker 2: Guys sell?
Speaker 3: Pretty much everything, like anything from lug nuts to body kids, wheels, tires,
Speaker 3: like anything you want to, like, you know, tune up
Speaker 3: a car.
Speaker 1: Okay did it always start like that?
Speaker 3: It did? I mean, you know, it started as something
Speaker 3: I did in college as a hobby. So like we
Speaker 3: we started selling lugnuts. Actually really it was it was
Speaker 3: something easy to ship and it was in Hi the mend,
Speaker 3: you know, lugnuts. Yeah, because a lot of times before,
Speaker 3: like this is twenty years ago, people would buy wheels
Speaker 3: and they would run like kind of jinky looking lugnuts.
Speaker 3: So we started selling like color and fancy lugnuts and
Speaker 3: people loved it and we would sell like you know
Speaker 3: at first, you know, this is all out of Mike arroage.
Speaker 2: Where's this garage? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 3: This is when I went to kel Poly so it
Speaker 3: was like West Cofina.
Speaker 2: Area, So you grew up you're selling caliboy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well I was born in Taiwan actually, so
Speaker 3: and I moved here and I was like ten, but
Speaker 3: I went to school in La and then went to
Speaker 3: cal Poly and then yeah, back to the lugnuts.
Speaker 1: It was you're in school slinging lung nuts exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and we actually bought the url like King
Speaker 3: of Nuts. When you went to that l you went
Speaker 3: to EVAs the Motorsports. So that's how kind of got started.
Speaker 3: And we were selling like like twenty thirty packs of
Speaker 3: lugnuts a day, and then from there we kind of
Speaker 3: expanded to what we you know, what else we carry
Speaker 3: obviously you know those like intakes and exhaust all all
Speaker 3: the other stuff, but like bigger items. Obviously we can't
Speaker 3: wear warehouse it in my garage, so you know, we're
Speaker 3: doing drop ships and then you know, one thing leads
Speaker 3: to another and then we me and my business partner. Okaya,
Speaker 3: so me and Tony. Tony's my business partner. We kind
Speaker 3: of started together mean through my wife actually, so my
Speaker 3: wife and him there were like high school friends and
Speaker 3: then just when I was dating her, I met him
Speaker 3: and then we're both super into cars. Like this is
Speaker 3: like this is the era where like e commerce was
Speaker 3: just barely getting started. What year was this, I would
Speaker 3: say year two thousand, two thousand. Yeah, so there's like
Speaker 3: a handful of people selling car parts online. So we're like,
Speaker 3: and he is actually, you know, he's actually a computer
Speaker 3: science major, so he's really good with the computer and
Speaker 3: like you know, coding and stuff. So like, hey, we're
Speaker 3: both into cars, why don't you build a website and
Speaker 3: I'll be like the kind of like the parts runner
Speaker 3: and I'll do the you know, the operations. And that's
Speaker 3: kind of how it started.
Speaker 1: Wow, how did you come up with the name evasive?
Speaker 3: He came up with it. Yeah, I was like sure
Speaker 3: and whatever.
Speaker 2: So what's that mean? Evasive?
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, iris.
Speaker 3: So people make jokes about it all the time, like
Speaker 3: you're evading your customers, but like, but I feel like
Speaker 3: it's more like like on the racetrack, because like you know,
Speaker 3: that's what we're about, Like you can't catch us. Like
Speaker 3: it's like we're very like sneaky evasive, like we're like
Speaker 3: just passing people whatever. You know. That's kind of like
Speaker 3: I like like to take it as that.
Speaker 2: So you and Tony bonded because your love affair for cars.
Speaker 3: For sure?
Speaker 2: What cars were you into that you guys had a
Speaker 2: common bond.
Speaker 3: We both had integrals, So like Honda as like our route.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of like a car parts startup
Speaker 2: in the two thousand.
Speaker 3: Totally yeah, totally reach car parts. And then we try
Speaker 3: to do we try to build a website to be
Speaker 3: very like lifestyle ish, like you know, we're we have
Speaker 3: we put up our cars and we kind of like
Speaker 3: did it in a way where like this is how
Speaker 3: we build our cars, and we have like t shirts,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like it's not just like here's
Speaker 3: a bunch of parts, go buy it. Like we already
Speaker 3: try to represent like kind of like the way we
Speaker 3: build cars. And then if you kind of like how
Speaker 3: we do these hondas up, then maybe you'll buye with us.
Speaker 2: You know, so what started you in the cars? Like
Speaker 2: we'll get you into that.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I just remember when I
Speaker 3: was a kid, you know, like I just I was
Speaker 3: drawn to like toy cars, like it's it's I don't
Speaker 3: know exactly when like I had that connection. But it's
Speaker 3: funny because I was like part of like a car
Speaker 3: crew in the like the pors show off days. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember, like car show would just
Speaker 3: be really big.
Speaker 2: Hot im poort nights type of show off and poor
Speaker 2: show off. Yeah, what's that you know that I've heard?
Speaker 1: I don't like I know more than Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the nineties, way, how old are you? I'm forty three?
Speaker 2: Forty three? Oh he looks like he's twenty two.
Speaker 3: Okay Asian jeans. Yeah, like in push office like the
Speaker 3: biggest thing ever. Everyone just goes to a car show
Speaker 3: and they have it like in del Maar, like San
Speaker 3: Diego they have Nise show Off and Little Tokyo. I
Speaker 3: was part of a car crew. You were young. It's
Speaker 3: like I want to belong somewhere. So like I was
Speaker 3: in the cars. So they approached me and said I
Speaker 3: wanted to draw on a car crew and then you know,
Speaker 3: and then that's how I really got like involved in cars.
Speaker 2: Oh there's a car cruise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was like the thing like everybody belonged
Speaker 3: with into a car crew back in the days, like
Speaker 3: if you're solo and it's like, oh, kind of weird,
Speaker 3: Like it's just like you know, by yourself. So everyone
Speaker 3: had to like I'm part of this crew and part
Speaker 3: of that crew. It's like a night.
Speaker 1: My crew when I moved to Indiana was called B
Speaker 1: Crew for Bloomington, Indiana. B Crew yeah, that's what we
Speaker 1: called ourselves.
Speaker 2: What was your cruise name?
Speaker 3: Hybrid hybrid Hybrid. I don't know what they call it,
Speaker 3: team Hybrid.
Speaker 2: I guess hybrid hybrid.
Speaker 1: Twenty years later, there's.
Speaker 3: Still still around.
Speaker 1: It's crazy Hybrid's now.
Speaker 3: Prias is Noel. Yeah, no, they're still around, still doing
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 2: Wow. I guess the need to be part of a
Speaker 2: crew will always continue for people, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess in a very ancestry type thing of needing
Speaker 1: to find that family. Yeah, the tribe. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: That was never part of a car crew because I
Speaker 2: was too poor to have a car really when I
Speaker 2: was young. But I was part of a break dancing crew.
Speaker 2: I was We had these like fake Adidas like jumpsuits
Speaker 2: were like red and black. We're called the Tiger Crew, right.
Speaker 2: It was so stupid, and there was like five of
Speaker 2: us and four dudes could actually pop and break and
Speaker 2: I could barely do the categillar.
Speaker 3: Like barely do that.
Speaker 2: So they were like, all right, you want to wear
Speaker 2: the crew, you can, you can carry the stereo and
Speaker 2: I would just sit there like really on press play.
Speaker 2: Never they never let me dance, but it was cool
Speaker 2: to be part of it because you go to school
Speaker 2: and you wear the jumpsuit. They just show up and
Speaker 2: you're like, Yo, what's up man?
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: We didn't you know, we didn't go like fight, but
Speaker 2: we talked shit like Yo, Yo, Mike, what you're looking at?
Speaker 1: Yo? Man?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yo, what's your crew?
Speaker 1: Dragon Crew? Let's go We're going to dance this sound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was kind of thing. Is like you get
Speaker 3: to wear the team gear, right, and you feel like
Speaker 3: like like you have backup in some in case something
Speaker 3: goes down. Like that's I think that's the mentality like
Speaker 3: when you're young growing up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when the Hybrid crew, what was the initiation?
Speaker 3: There wasn't much initiation.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I think if you have a cool car, like it
Speaker 3: started off like, oh, if you have a cool car
Speaker 3: and you you know, you're friendly and like people get
Speaker 3: along with you, then yeah, join our crew is super simple.
Speaker 3: But then like as a as the crew got bigger,
Speaker 3: it's when I kind of left. I was like there
Speaker 3: started to have politics and like they started collecting fees
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: really yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like to clarify for those listening who
Speaker 1: aren't maybe in the car World when you have a
Speaker 1: car crew and correct me if I'm wrong. And my
Speaker 1: experience is different. You used to go on the forums
Speaker 1: and just find people who had the like making models
Speaker 1: of your vehicle. They'd probably meet at some parking garage
Speaker 1: or somewhere, and you would just show up in order
Speaker 1: to meet people who had similar interests of yours. And
Speaker 1: over time that's where it becomes political, like well, we
Speaker 1: need money for you to show up, or you need
Speaker 1: to buy this, or we're doing this track event and
Speaker 1: you need to come with us if you're part of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a great way to meet people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was really simple too, Like you said,
Speaker 3: it was really like, hey, I like you, I like
Speaker 3: your car.
Speaker 1: Let's go hang out, Let's go Kirk somewhere in toime.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like complicated like these days. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're old now.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. I think for young people in movies different,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have found it's harder and harder to find where
Speaker 1: the events are. You have to know someone who knows.
Speaker 1: I was recently in Puerto Rico and I was trying
Speaker 1: to find just any car event, any Sunday cars and
Speaker 1: coffee anything, because I wanted to like see the community
Speaker 1: out there, but just googling it or going on Facebook
Speaker 1: and all that, it was near impossible to find. I
Speaker 1: feel like people don't post about it as much anymore.
Speaker 1: It's kind of just word.
Speaker 3: Of mouth, yeah, or like they have their circle of
Speaker 3: friends that yeah, the same people that come out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Kelli, I mean here, it's like the Mecca
Speaker 2: car events, right, there's like one every.
Speaker 1: Other day much Yeah, smaller events. I feel like more
Speaker 1: and more there starting to get rid of a couple
Speaker 1: shows like Sunset GT was a big one. They're no
Speaker 1: longer doing that. The Malibu Cars and Coffee kind of
Speaker 1: shut down.
Speaker 2: That's gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why the residents didn't Well maybe the shop owners
Speaker 3: didn't appreciate.
Speaker 1: All the I don't entirely know the politics behind it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, So there.
Speaker 2: Was one in Woodland Hills, the Cars and Coffee and
Speaker 2: Woodland Hills. That's gone too.
Speaker 3: Supercar Sunday is that the one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was, right, and then there was.
Speaker 1: One in there's one in Westlake still that happens. Oc
Speaker 1: still happens. That one's still around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh see, yeah, that one's yeah, I think once
Speaker 3: a month the problem is.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of police who show up who even
Speaker 1: if you're not doing anything wrong, they want to ticket
Speaker 1: you or pull you over for having any modifications to
Speaker 1: your car.
Speaker 2: It's that's that takeovers I think it is too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys are big into supporting drivers. You
Speaker 1: race Pike's Peak, right, and you do a bunch of
Speaker 1: racing elements too, more so than just selling products. When
Speaker 1: did that come about? Do you also build cars for people?
Speaker 3: Now? Yes, we we build cars for people. We have
Speaker 3: a shop that's full service, like there's a Dino alignment
Speaker 3: rack like fabrication, so like anything could be done in
Speaker 3: the shop. And as far as racing goes, it's probably
Speaker 3: started in six I would say, you know, one of
Speaker 3: my favorite things to do was watch like you know,
Speaker 3: Best Motoring or like these uh these shows that come
Speaker 3: out of Japan of you know how they basically their
Speaker 3: style of building cars and and the thing that was
Speaker 3: big was Time Attack, which is, you know, basically a
Speaker 3: car like it's like qualifying to see who goes the
Speaker 3: fastest around this whatever particular lap. In O six, we
Speaker 3: picked up our evo miss Bishi Evo, and then we
Speaker 3: turned that into like a time Attack Car and that's
Speaker 3: kind of where it started. Since then, like every single
Speaker 3: year we've been just trying to find ways to build
Speaker 3: new cars or race in certain like events, whether it
Speaker 3: be Time Attack or a Pike's Peak. And then uh,
Speaker 3: we've shipped the car to Japan actually to compete before
Speaker 3: at scoop A Circuit, So that was really cool. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say like motorsport is like the main focus
Speaker 3: for like the company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I erase for you guys, grow for you guys.
Speaker 3: He drove for us for five straight years now for
Speaker 3: Pike's Peak and also for just various track events.
Speaker 1: And Die is Dio Shihara who we had on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Great guy, Yeah, super super chill guy.
Speaker 2: So Evasive is like your own little car crew now.
Speaker 3: Sorry of Yeah, I would say so, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I would consider all of our customers to have the
Speaker 3: same mindsets as we do. We like just more performance
Speaker 3: oriented guys who are into like not just fixing up
Speaker 3: the car, but like for a reason to maybe go
Speaker 3: faster on track. That's the kind of customer base we
Speaker 3: have just because you know, everything we put out there
Speaker 3: is performance based. You know, we're not really building show cars.
Speaker 3: We're building cars for specific reasons, you know, like this
Speaker 3: is for Pike's Peak, and this is for time attack,
Speaker 3: or this is for or maybe some sort of racing event. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that that that demographic or that
Speaker 2: culture is growing.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure to hear for sure. Yeah, because like
Speaker 3: back in the days, nobody took their cars to the track.
Speaker 3: It wasn't you know, it wasn't even a thing where
Speaker 3: like I think most of the cars would break down,
Speaker 3: you know, like that the way people tune cars back
Speaker 3: in the days was not good for the track. You know,
Speaker 3: it will overheat. I just things we're not going to work.
Speaker 3: But these days people actually buy, you know, they shop
Speaker 3: for quality parts, parts that actually work, you know. And
Speaker 3: then a lot of it's based on our feedback too,
Speaker 3: you know. So like if we build a car with
Speaker 3: certain type of wing splitter that generates a lot of downforce,
Speaker 3: and they shaved this a lot of time, would tell
Speaker 3: the customers, hey, this works. You don't have to go research.
Speaker 3: Just by this part. You will go two seconds faster
Speaker 3: at this track. So that's kind of like our approach.
Speaker 2: Oh so you and Tony actually like go to the
Speaker 2: track till you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to drive a lot. Actually, yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: it's been like ten years, but I used to compete
Speaker 3: at events.
Speaker 1: So you started with tuners. It sounds like you specialize
Speaker 1: in tuners, But do you guys also do it? And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if this wasn't you guys? Did you do
Speaker 1: a Tesla? Also?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't you set a record with that?
Speaker 3: It was I think it was last year's Pike's Peak.
Speaker 3: It was the fastest ev to go up the mountain,
Speaker 3: But I don't know if that's a record.
Speaker 1: Issue was the time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just the fastest EV to go up.
Speaker 3: But we built the car in twenty twenty one. It
Speaker 3: was Model three, and that was a really interesting experience.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was one of those things where
Speaker 3: like I see Tesla's everywhere, and I just saw, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, if it's like like the Civic, right, you
Speaker 3: see civics everywhere, everybody's gonna want to stand out from
Speaker 3: each other. So I'm like, hey, Tesla could be that car.
Speaker 3: So that's why we built Tesla race car and kind
Speaker 3: of like you know, ran it for two years and
Speaker 3: it was good learning experience.
Speaker 2: Because evasive it Motorsports is everywhere, Like anybody who's like
Speaker 2: you know, tuning their car or modifying it for the track.
Speaker 2: At least think Southern Kelly, you guys are an institution.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you think was the secret for you and
Speaker 2: Tony to be able to last this long? Because it's been,
Speaker 2: like you said, like almost like twenty years now.
Speaker 3: It's twenty twenty two going on twenty two years now.
Speaker 1: That's a long time.
Speaker 3: It's a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I'm like, I spent more than half my
Speaker 3: life doing this home, I realize, But.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a trippy thought to have.
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, it is. But I think I think
Speaker 3: the key is just like we find our passion, which
Speaker 3: is motorsports, and we just do that without really thinking
Speaker 3: about like that the recipe works, right, I think to
Speaker 3: build cars that really like inspire like people and inspire ourselves,
Speaker 3: like these track cars and whatnot, and just put it
Speaker 3: out there, and then the customers do tend to come,
Speaker 3: like we attract the right customers, you know, and we've
Speaker 3: just done that since day one. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: we're not I think we're not thinking about sales numbers.
Speaker 3: We're not thinking about, hey, let's do promotion every month.
Speaker 3: We're just thinking about what can we put out into
Speaker 3: this like whorld of like tuning cars that keeps people
Speaker 3: value and they see it and they're like, hey, I
Speaker 3: want my car to look like that, and I want
Speaker 3: to build my car to be like that. And they,
Speaker 3: you know, the customers just follow us and just do
Speaker 3: the same things we do. And that's I think that's
Speaker 3: why we've been around for so long.
Speaker 2: When did you come from Taiwan when I was ten?
Speaker 2: Have you been back lately?
Speaker 3: Just a couple of times in the past, like twenty years,
Speaker 3: not really.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just there for like months. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty amazing city.
Speaker 3: Taiwan is is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah have you been there?
Speaker 1: I want to go.
Speaker 2: I mean the car, the car that community called True
Speaker 2: there's like deep like you'll go into I remember this
Speaker 2: dude like we're driving to like a cigar bar, right,
Speaker 2: and he goes he goes, oh, yeah, you want to
Speaker 2: go see some cars and I was like, we're talking
Speaker 2: about it. He goes, yeah, my friend he stores some
Speaker 2: cars and like get the bottom of this parking lot, right,
Speaker 2: he goes, We'll stop by to say what's up before
Speaker 2: we go to the scar bar. And Yo, there was
Speaker 2: like at least like sixty super rare wow, super rare
Speaker 2: European Japanese. They had like at least thirty sets of
Speaker 2: like all three carros in there with all this fabric
Speaker 2: and a wall full of like these rare Italian steering whells.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that one's beautiful, and he goes,
Speaker 2: I have a couple of those, and he gives it
Speaker 2: to me and he goes, it's a gift, right. And
Speaker 2: then the same dude he has a shop and he
Speaker 2: was fixing his FD. He wanted to show me his
Speaker 2: FD and he opened a copy shop there and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a tenant that rents out like you know, one
Speaker 2: of the floors here. There was probably like I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly, but at least five hundred million dollars worth
Speaker 2: of cars in there. Five hundred million wow, right, Like
Speaker 2: he had everything in there like and it's all just
Speaker 2: covered with plastic, like every Ferrari he had like area MacLaren, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what what what is this? And very
Speaker 2: low key, you know, he drives like a mini van.
Speaker 2: This is daily, right, And you would never know this
Speaker 2: dude has like all these cars and I would never
Speaker 2: guess like all these cars are in Taiwan. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's something like people really underestimate Taiwan because a
Speaker 2: lot of like great parts are actually manufactured in Taiwan.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, the car.
Speaker 3: Parts, especially electronics too. They're like super advancing electronics in Taiwan.
Speaker 2: So that's right. You know YouTube came from Taiwan.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the food is great too.
Speaker 2: I go there for the food, Yeah, spectacular.
Speaker 3: Everywhere you go. It's like like ten out of ten.
Speaker 2: I'd say some of the best jet in these food
Speaker 2: I've ever had is in Taiwan really because it was
Speaker 2: it was like a Commonwealth of Japan, so there's bits
Speaker 2: of Taiwan. There's like whole Japanese street where like all
Speaker 2: the restaurants are still Japanese and bars and stuff, and
Speaker 2: you go and you go have sushi. It's like Sushi
Speaker 2: Masters there and it's cheap.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like for the listeners, you guys want a vacation, go
Speaker 2: to Taiwan. It's yeah, people are super sweet there, all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's really small too. It's like it's only like five
Speaker 2: million people. That's the population. Pretty small isling, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: real island culture.
Speaker 1: So you were exposed to cars when you were there at.
Speaker 3: A young age, not in Taiwan, Yeah, just.
Speaker 1: More toy cars you gravitated towards.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so like you know, when I moved to
Speaker 3: the States, Yeah, and my my older cousin had a
Speaker 3: Miyata at that age. I was like, Oh, it's the
Speaker 3: coolest car ever, you know. So I was like, You're
Speaker 3: gonna let me drive it one day? Right, He's like nope.
Speaker 3: So from that point I was like, you know, get
Speaker 3: my own car one day. I led to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you finish and get a agree at cal Poly?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What did you get your degree in marketing? Were your
Speaker 1: parents happy for you? Or were they like, why are
Speaker 1: you selling lugnuts on the internet? You need to go
Speaker 1: get You're supportive? Actually really that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's not. I don't think I have the typical
Speaker 3: Asian parents were like, hey, what are you doing? Like
Speaker 3: this is they stay solved? Maybe they solve the potential.
Speaker 3: I think the amount of lugnuts grew overnight as far
Speaker 3: as like how much inventory we had, where in the
Speaker 3: little garage we had, and they never gave me any
Speaker 3: crap about it. And then yeah, till this day, they
Speaker 3: still think what I do is cool.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you look at the world differently
Speaker 1: than other people in a positive way, like when it
Speaker 1: comes to business or when it comes to.
Speaker 3: I just think like, you know, the possibility of things.
Speaker 3: You know, like I feel like anything could be done
Speaker 3: when I think about building cars or like how it
Speaker 3: can make an impact, Like anything is doable. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe step outside of what's normal.
Speaker 2: Where does that come from?
Speaker 3: I think I think it's just the creative side of me.
Speaker 3: Like I just feel like, you know, I'm always like
Speaker 3: looking to create something, you know, Like I'm like a
Speaker 3: very private person, but I like to express myself through
Speaker 3: the business. So like building cars, like racing, doing all
Speaker 3: these things, like you know, it's I think it's a
Speaker 3: way for me to just like fully express, you know,
Speaker 3: my creative side.
Speaker 1: So when you're looking at a project, you look at
Speaker 1: it more from a creative perspective or do you start
Speaker 1: crunching numbers in your head of like performance skins.
Speaker 3: I think the creative first, but then obviously as a
Speaker 3: business owner, I have to think about like doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense right, like if it brings any value or you know,
Speaker 3: like does it make sense for Dye to drive his car,
Speaker 3: you know, like what does he get out of it?
Speaker 3: Like these things obviously run through my head, but I
Speaker 3: think the first thing I think about is like, like,
Speaker 3: how can I just like build a car that will
Speaker 3: make people stop and look, you know, and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: this is something different.
Speaker 1: So is there one that you're most proud of in
Speaker 1: your career?
Speaker 3: I would really think the S two thousand are that
Speaker 3: we just completed like earlier this year. It's something that
Speaker 3: I'm like super proud of. You guys know anything about
Speaker 3: the S two thousand RIL. Have you heard about it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Tell us?
Speaker 2: This is a car you guys built?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. So S two thousand R is like a
Speaker 3: concept that like we came up with maybe three four
Speaker 3: years ago. Hondas you know, Type Ours has always been
Speaker 3: like the top model for any Honda models like Integrat
Speaker 3: Type ARE or Civic Type Are. They never made one
Speaker 3: for the S two thousand, you know, for a good reason,
Speaker 3: probably because the car is so well sorted already there's
Speaker 3: really no need for a Type Our version. So the
Speaker 3: idea came to me is like, hey, why don't we
Speaker 3: take this S two thousand put all the knowledge we've
Speaker 3: learned the past twenty years on this car into this
Speaker 3: car and build it for street use, not a race car,
Speaker 3: for something that we can sell as a finished car
Speaker 3: to you know, the consumer.
Speaker 1: All the car or the upwards to make it a car.
Speaker 3: The actual car. Yeah. So, like the idea was to
Speaker 3: build a limited number of these cars and people could
Speaker 3: just buy it turn key and they could you know,
Speaker 3: they could have fun with it and drive it. So
Speaker 3: the car is powered by the new Civic type our engine,
Speaker 3: which is like a turbo charge from the factory. It
Speaker 3: makes about like three hundred horse power three hundred pounds
Speaker 3: of torque, which is like more than enough for that
Speaker 3: little rolster. So we put that in there. Like the
Speaker 3: interior has been redone with all the carbon seats and
Speaker 3: all the panels are replaced with carbon fiber and all. No,
Speaker 3: just like to improve what the S two thousand is,
Speaker 3: but just make it more modern and make it like faster, lighter,
Speaker 3: and just more fun. So, like, I think that's probably
Speaker 3: one of the one of the cars that I'm really
Speaker 3: proud of, and we're still working on maybe launching it
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 1: That's exciting, guys.
Speaker 2: They're making like a bespoke two thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Linger singer approach, Yeah, I would say, but not
Speaker 3: as hardcoreously you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's the legacy without even realizing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And it's like, I don't think anyone's ever
Speaker 3: done that concept to a Honda.
Speaker 2: You know, how much is the car going to go
Speaker 2: for things?
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be probably a little bit
Speaker 3: over two hundred ground for US two thousands.
Speaker 1: So who's going to make this car purest?
Speaker 3: Actually it's it's really interesting. We brought the car to
Speaker 3: Moderate Car Week. It's on display. You know, obviously there's
Speaker 3: a lot of wealth and a lot of people like Ferraris,
Speaker 3: and you know, I've got a lot of emails from people,
Speaker 3: but hey, tell me more about this car. I'm interested.
Speaker 3: And these are guys that are like, hey, I want
Speaker 3: to add this to my collection of like Ferraris and
Speaker 3: like whatever. Like they have no idea what a S
Speaker 3: two thousand is to probably never had one before, but
Speaker 3: they're interested because they're like, oh, this looks kind of cool, right,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I don't know all walks of life.
Speaker 3: I think if they see the car, they'll appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And what all walks of life that doesn't.
Speaker 3: Life as far as you're a rich walk of life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two hunder grand.
Speaker 2: That means you have to make even like to afford
Speaker 2: to buy that car.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean even like I'm thinking like people who
Speaker 3: once had a S two thousand, Right, it came out
Speaker 3: on ninety nine, So if you had an S two
Speaker 3: thousand ninety nine, you got rid of it by now
Speaker 3: you're probably like older or affluent. You probably don't drive
Speaker 3: some fancy car. Be like, you know what, I missed
Speaker 3: the S two thousand. You could come to us, be
Speaker 3: like I want to buy this two thousand because it's
Speaker 3: all done, it's modern whatever. You know, you could get
Speaker 3: that same car again.
Speaker 1: Well there's the saying build it and they will come.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I mean what there's so many versions
Speaker 2: of this type of R car right, Like I was
Speaker 2: in Poland, I saw like a quatro version. There's the
Speaker 2: two four y z version, And like my friends in Bradford, England,
Speaker 2: they do that, and I always ask the questions like
Speaker 2: why do you guys dedicate like your life doing that?
Speaker 2: It's super cool And I wish I had something like that,
Speaker 2: like a material thing where I could like focus and
Speaker 2: dedicate like all of my soul like these guys. They
Speaker 2: put one hundred percent of their soul into these cars,
Speaker 2: and when you look at them from the outside, they
Speaker 2: look like just weirdos. You sacrifice time with your family.
Speaker 2: You don't really make that much money off of these things, right,
Speaker 2: and you're in the garage all day and for what?
Speaker 2: And then when you meet people like in Japan, like
Speaker 2: the there's a people who focus on one thing, right,
Speaker 2: They nerd out on one thing, They geek out on
Speaker 2: one thing, They like become obsessive.
Speaker 1: I know, sorry all think of the saying of it,
Speaker 1: but I know.
Speaker 2: Charat so and then you actually you meet these people
Speaker 2: and then you're like, what what are they focusing on?
Speaker 2: Just like blue jeans.
Speaker 1: Eku guy eku guy eku guides that have you heard
Speaker 1: of this? Sorry? I think so, Sorry, keep keep continueing
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 2: And then but so I agree with you in that
Speaker 2: you build it and then people will recognize the passion.
Speaker 2: Like you know, when you put your like one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of your soul into something, eventually there's people that
Speaker 2: need to feed off of that. It seems like you know, Mike,
Speaker 2: like these cars or like your your version of like
Speaker 2: your arts, or like you're right yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you said, we just we just put
Speaker 3: put it out there and then people will come like
Speaker 3: it's it's true. You know, like it's satisfying to know
Speaker 3: that people actually appreciate what you do. You know, even
Speaker 3: if it's like a very small number of people, you know,
Speaker 3: it's still I still think it's it's really cool.
Speaker 1: It's art.
Speaker 2: It's cool that you guys focused on one type of
Speaker 2: car that I didn't know that I didn't know that
Speaker 2: was like your main thing. Yeah, very evasive, and I
Speaker 2: mean twenty years that's like like twenty thousand hours of investing,
Speaker 2: like your life into this car. So you're super excited
Speaker 2: to see what this s two thousand are it turns
Speaker 2: into yeah or becomes right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a cult, like a cult following for the car. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's how we're still in business catering to one car.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So do you think car culture in the States has
Speaker 2: surpassed Japan? There's an argument to that that car culture
Speaker 2: in Japan is kind of disappearing compared to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think a lot of it is due
Speaker 3: to the fact that like Japan, where I would say
Speaker 3: maybe ten twenty years ahead of the US, as far
Speaker 3: as like when they reached their peak in cartooning. You like,
Speaker 3: a lot of the og tuners are probably like sixty
Speaker 3: ish years old. Now in the US, we're reaching our
Speaker 3: peak now, Like guys like my age in the forties,
Speaker 3: we're like continue trying to figure out ways to push
Speaker 3: the boundaries of like what tuning is right. And I
Speaker 3: feel like in Japan they don't have somebody that kind
Speaker 3: of filled in that gap afterwards. You know, there wasn't
Speaker 3: a generation after that follow and be like, hey, let's
Speaker 3: go crazy with these cars, you know, like let's keep
Speaker 3: it going, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, Japan's thing was really form over function, right, US
Speaker 1: was a very functional reform. So in Japan, a lot
Speaker 1: of it was like how beautiful can you make these cars?
Speaker 1: How fun can you have with them? How excessive can
Speaker 1: you go? And in the States is very much who
Speaker 1: cares what it looks like, just make it go fast.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you brought that to the States
Speaker 1: at like that pivotal time of before the age of
Speaker 1: social media, before people could really see what was going
Speaker 1: on overseas, to then bring that type of culture back
Speaker 1: to the States a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think in Japan it was function m
Speaker 3: form at the same time, like they had the fastest cars,
Speaker 3: yet they looked like they could. When any car show
Speaker 3: it goes to I think that's like that perfection they
Speaker 3: seek right when they build cars. It wasn't just about
Speaker 3: make it go fast, like it literally needs to look
Speaker 3: top notch and go fast, right. So yeah, and that
Speaker 3: was really what drove me to their tune the way
Speaker 3: they build cars in their tuning culture.
Speaker 1: Life lessons. If you were to talk to your younger self,
Speaker 1: what would you tell yourself.
Speaker 3: I think the number one thing is just try try
Speaker 3: everything and just like if it doesn't work out, I
Speaker 3: think you have time on your side. I think the
Speaker 3: biggest thing is like I feel like when people are
Speaker 3: young and they make decisions, they feel like, oh, if
Speaker 3: I mess up, I'll never recover from this. It's like
Speaker 3: it doesn't like getting older. It makes you realize like, no,
Speaker 3: like if you are young, anything's possible, you know. I
Speaker 3: just feel like I some certain certain risks I didn't
Speaker 3: really take I should have. I wish I would have
Speaker 3: been more like open to like all kinds of crazy ideas,
Speaker 3: you know, when I was like just starting off the business,
Speaker 3: even though I built it like kind of slowly into
Speaker 3: what it is now. I feel like, you know, if
Speaker 3: I just be more open minded about things, it would
Speaker 3: have been better.
Speaker 2: What would you like people to know about like you
Speaker 2: and evasive and like, you know when they listen to this, right,
Speaker 2: it's not there's a lot of people that don't know
Speaker 2: anything about cars and actually don't give a shit about
Speaker 2: cars at all, because that's not what our podcast is.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: What would you want people to like walk away from
Speaker 2: you know, this podcast because there's a reason why you're here,
Speaker 2: because you wanted to like talk to us.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so yeah, I think I think the number
Speaker 3: one thing I want people to know is like, you know,
Speaker 3: like we like there's like people who like myself and
Speaker 3: I think my whole team I could speak for them,
Speaker 3: like we're all passionate people about what we do. I
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of times that's lost in this
Speaker 3: world where like people are just doing things for business reasons,
Speaker 3: you know. Like the thing that gets me going, like
Speaker 3: we you know, spoke about earlier, is like building these cars,
Speaker 3: these new ideas, like it's a former expression. Like I
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of times that's like that's lost, Right,
Speaker 3: so you know, if anything to take away, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, like us, yes, we're running a business at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, but like we're we're true
Speaker 3: car people. You know, we're passionate about what we do,
Speaker 3: and you know it really matters to us, like waking
Speaker 3: up and trying to do something that you know, that
Speaker 3: feels rewarding. So you know, and I think I think
Speaker 3: that's you know that that's a message for most people.
Speaker 3: It's like if you find something you're passionate about, like
Speaker 3: there's an opportunity that comes up, like go for it,
Speaker 3: you know, like and then just stick with it.
Speaker 1: So ekey guy is a reason for being. It's a
Speaker 1: Japanese concept referring to something that gives a person a
Speaker 1: sense of purpose, a reason for living.
Speaker 2: Ekey guy, ikey guy, ekey guy. Kind I've never heard
Speaker 2: this before.
Speaker 1: Ekey guy, eke guy.
Speaker 2: Look up otaku.
Speaker 3: Is that just like a like a kind of like
Speaker 3: a geek.
Speaker 1: Is that a young person who's obsessed with computers or
Speaker 1: particular aspects of popular culture to detriment of their social skills.
Speaker 3: I mean they're like super super focused on one thing
Speaker 3: right into super into one thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I could see those going hand in hand
Speaker 1: you don't really into anything, and also finding your sense
Speaker 1: of purpose.
Speaker 2: I mean if I think if you can find balance,
Speaker 2: but you know, I think a lot of people that
Speaker 2: obsess over something there's no balance in their life. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you think you have balance?
Speaker 3: I think so. I think so. I mean I don't
Speaker 3: feel like I'm always balanced, you know, like sometimes I
Speaker 3: feel like I need to step backwards from certain things.
Speaker 3: But the wife's happy, the kids are happy, so I
Speaker 3: feel like, yeah, maybe are you happy? I feel like
Speaker 3: you can't be happy all the time. Right, It's like
Speaker 3: it's one of those things like you always feel like
Speaker 3: there's something missing. You're always chasing for something and.
Speaker 2: What are you chasing? What does that mean you're chasing?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what it is?
Speaker 1: Like in thrill?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like you know, could be anything. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like something you just feel like something's missing.
Speaker 1: When were you happiest to last we won pikes Peaker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're real secret, that's what.
Speaker 3: So racing really like fulfills that missing piece, I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So like when we do well at a race event,
Speaker 3: like like we spec Champagne on Die and stuff, that's
Speaker 3: like those are the times of like maybe that's the
Speaker 3: times I'm chasing like that feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't always live in that permanently because
Speaker 1: then you're gonna always try to find what's after that,
Speaker 1: right of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've known Die for forever now too, Like we're
Speaker 3: super good friends.
Speaker 1: How did you guys meet through my wife? Well you
Speaker 1: met Tony through your wife too, right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wa, what does your wife do?
Speaker 3: No, she used to be more involved in cars. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like she she did some I would say, like modeling
Speaker 3: for like clothing brands back in the days.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you know your wife for a lot, buy
Speaker 1: a nice bouquet of flowers on your drag home.
Speaker 3: The F one tip was for her birthday, So I
Speaker 3: took her.
Speaker 1: Oh was it really? Oh that's sweet? Did she have
Speaker 1: a great time?
Speaker 3: She loved it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love her.
Speaker 3: She took me to my first F one race, which
Speaker 3: is uh oh seven for my birthday? So was that
Speaker 3: at Cota Montreal?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think you guys have been married sixteen years
Speaker 2: since O seven?
Speaker 1: What is the recipe for marriage?
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 2: What do you think you've been able to last this long?
Speaker 3: Well, we've had our shares of like ups and downs.
Speaker 3: But I think I think if you truly love somebody
Speaker 3: like you will actually take the time and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's talk about our problems. Right. I think it's when
Speaker 3: you stop talking that's just when it goes all downhill.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not a very talkative person, you know, especially
Speaker 3: like two people around me, but I'm like, no, I
Speaker 3: need to step up and just be like, hey, this
Speaker 3: is what's the problem. What's bothering me, what's bothering you?
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it. And then every time we have
Speaker 3: that serious talk, things get better. So I think communication
Speaker 3: is probably the number one thing, you know. I think
Speaker 3: people when they don't say anything, it's like, how do
Speaker 3: I know what you want? You know, you have to
Speaker 3: like express your needs to each other to make sure
Speaker 3: that they're met. Right.
Speaker 1: I heard somewhere someone say, never go to bed angry
Speaker 1: that you loved one. Always talk it out, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because eventually just start resenting each other and it's never good.
Speaker 2: So when you guys are like working on these cars,
Speaker 2: you're not at home a lot because you guys are
Speaker 2: working on their cars, right, Yeah, And she's cool with that.
Speaker 3: She's like totally totally has anything work related. She never questions.
Speaker 3: She knows. It's like it's for work, you know. So
Speaker 3: but these days I don't I don't do the all
Speaker 3: nighters too much anymore.
Speaker 2: So I had a lot of problems with my wife
Speaker 2: anytime I would do like a project carm And I
Speaker 2: realized something lately is that, you know I've been very
Speaker 2: selfish with the car stuff. Is that I never included her,
Speaker 2: you know, And it's something that I think, you know,
Speaker 2: like hanging out with you, Amelia, and then also like
Speaker 2: meeting couples right that do like motorsport together they have
Speaker 2: a car project together, like all of a sudden, like
Speaker 2: it was like the lens was like cleared, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what if I I've been doing like no
Speaker 2: wonder Like I used to like point the finger at
Speaker 2: her and go, god, you know, you give me like
Speaker 2: too much stress, Like what's the big deal. Like it's
Speaker 2: not like I'm going out drinking and like partying. I'm
Speaker 2: just like hanging out with the boys and like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're working on a car for what like And I realized,
Speaker 2: like I was like, what is the problem with our relationship?
Speaker 2: Like why are we get you know, becoming so distant? Right?
Speaker 2: We even like stop like sleeping in the same room
Speaker 2: for a while because I would get home at like
Speaker 2: three o'clock or something, and she just I could tell
Speaker 2: that she's just pissed off, right, and and like I
Speaker 2: woke up, it was like this clarity going. It was
Speaker 2: all me. It was just this selfish thing of like, nah,
Speaker 2: you know, cars for the boys, and like, I'm I
Speaker 2: hang out with the guys, and this is like my time.
Speaker 2: And I created that problem.
Speaker 1: And she loves you and just wants to spend time
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: So have you like invited her two more car stuff since.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been looking for like a hobby that we
Speaker 2: can share together. That's what I realize is that we
Speaker 2: don't have that thing that we do together, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I never took her to F one, right, So
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm, you know, hang out with my boys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like a guy's trip. And like now
Speaker 2: I listened to you, and I'm like, you know, what
Speaker 2: what have I been doing? Like she would love to
Speaker 2: go to Vegas, she would love to go to F
Speaker 2: one because that's really posh, like really dope stuff, right,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to be out in the
Speaker 2: track and with all the noise, you can hang out
Speaker 2: and eat nice food and stuff. Yeah, it occurred to
Speaker 2: me when I meet people that have like really healthy
Speaker 2: relationships that are also into cars, they keep their like
Speaker 2: spouses included, And that's something that I have to be
Speaker 2: better at doing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, it's never too late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true, Like I'm like very proactive and you
Speaker 2: know about it now, Like it's in my head that
Speaker 2: I won't do another car project or do like car
Speaker 2: stuff without her being involved. That even go teach her
Speaker 2: how to drive manual because all my cars are like
Speaker 2: manual cars.
Speaker 1: Right And then maybe, but they also say, never have
Speaker 1: your loved one teacher how to drive stick because because
Speaker 1: it can turn into a big argument that memory. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean just a lot of CONSIV patients
Speaker 1: as just an educator period because it's it's a very
Speaker 1: common thing when you drive stick that it's the person learning.
Speaker 1: It's it's overwhelming because it's a lot to intake at once.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but it's one of those things I think, like,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll never forget that, right then, yeah, teaching
Speaker 2: her in that car right for sure? Yeah, And as
Speaker 2: of late, maybe because I'm getting older too, and like
Speaker 2: what was I thinking? Like why was I so selfish
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 1: I think you guys also just grew up in a
Speaker 1: different time in the world where it was all about
Speaker 1: the guys and that was kind of just the norm
Speaker 1: in a way, and I feel like in today's society
Speaker 1: it's very much of like, well, it doesn't always have
Speaker 1: to be all about the boys. It's like it kind
Speaker 1: of doesn't matter as long as you all share the
Speaker 1: same passion and and hobby. Like it's it's not so
Speaker 1: like gender separated like that anymore. But I think back
Speaker 1: then maybe that's more of what it was.
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is, like she, like I always assumed
Speaker 3: that she wouldn't enjoy it anyways. That's why I don't
Speaker 3: ask her. And that's the problem, right, you know, like
Speaker 3: you should at least tell me, like, hey, you want
Speaker 3: to come along with this experiences together. If she doesn't
Speaker 3: want to or she's not into it, she'll tell me,
Speaker 3: but at least I asked first, Right, So yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that was that was a big thing recently that
Speaker 3: it really helped our relationship.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there is there's similarities there, Yes, I mean this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that that's that's a great, great, great suggestion
Speaker 2: to ask her first. And then you also have to
Speaker 2: want that, you know what I mean. I think there
Speaker 2: was a time where I was like, nah, I gotta
Speaker 2: like I spend enough time with you. I gotta go
Speaker 2: hang out with my guy friends, right, And then I think,
Speaker 2: as I get older, I'm going, well, why can't she
Speaker 2: be a part of that? Right? How many more summers
Speaker 2: do I have with her?
Speaker 1: Well, it's also the person you chose to grow old
Speaker 1: with and spend your life with. You know, you'd think
Speaker 1: you'd want them to come around and you'd want to
Speaker 1: enjoy every moment together life short, that's your person.
Speaker 2: I think I needed it to get out of it
Speaker 2: to my system too. Yeah, I mean there's like this
Speaker 2: idea I had in my head. It's like I might
Speaker 2: hang out with my friends. We're gonna like make cool
Speaker 2: ship and be cool. And then after you're like, we're
Speaker 2: not that cool. It's okay, it's not that cool shit either,
Speaker 2: nobody gives a ship at and then your wife is
Speaker 2: pissed off.
Speaker 3: Right yeah right, ultimately that's what really matters.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'm glad we talked about that. That's and
Speaker 2: and thanks for your insight. Yeah, maybe we do come
Speaker 2: from a different generation where it was like very singular
Speaker 2: in terms of the car stuff is for dudes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not so much anymore, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Another thing is like my wife recently got
Speaker 3: into a hobby of her own, which is mushing, Like
Speaker 3: she MUSHes.
Speaker 1: What's mushing?
Speaker 3: Like mushing? The dogs pull a sled? Really, we have husky?
Speaker 1: Where does she do this?
Speaker 3: So they do mushing on land with like a scooter
Speaker 3: and the dogs pull you. But we also go to
Speaker 3: mammoth and she doesn't, you know, like the sled dog. Right.
Speaker 3: So she picked up that hobby maybe a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago after we got our first husky, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is like cars for you, this
Speaker 3: is your hobby, right, Yeah, So we found something in
Speaker 3: common where she is really into it, and then I
Speaker 3: put myself to participate with her, and that really helped
Speaker 3: out as far as like connecting with her. You know,
Speaker 3: like it's probably the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 1: I see you getting all like aerodynamic with the sleds
Speaker 1: now and the diets of the dog. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a whole science to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's it's literally like what I do, but for
Speaker 3: like a type of sport, you.
Speaker 2: Make it hype bar version. That's cool. I don't know
Speaker 2: you could do that here, you could? Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 2: run a great hobby she found. Yeah, and it keeps
Speaker 2: her active too.
Speaker 3: Right for a while, she's like, you know, obviously she's
Speaker 3: busy with kids and stuff. But like now she gets
Speaker 3: out of the house, she's like walking, running the dogs
Speaker 3: and doing all this stuff. I like, you keep doing that.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. You found something you love, you know. And
Speaker 3: then I was like, how can I be part of that?
Speaker 3: So like I start joining her with her things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife, like she likes golf and she's been
Speaker 2: trying to get me to go play golf. I hate golf.
Speaker 2: Golf with her, I hate it with a passion. So
Speaker 2: I gotta figure out a way to like enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Think of it more as like a meditation than anything
Speaker 1: open fresh air.
Speaker 2: The problem is that I've yet to get over the
Speaker 2: because I'm hyper competitive it comes to sports. Golf is
Speaker 2: the sporting I've been kicked off golf course for like
Speaker 2: throwing white clubs, right like, because you can't do that.
Speaker 2: I'm mad at myself, Like, you know, golf is like
Speaker 2: a solo sports, not like I'm pissed off at the
Speaker 2: person playing with me, your whole Yeah, But like I
Speaker 2: get so I get so angry at myself, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: can I just enjoy the sports. Maybe it's like changing
Speaker 2: the perspective enjoying the time with her, right, Because I
Speaker 2: get obsessive over things. That's why I don't have hobbies.
Speaker 2: If I do something, I go down this rabbit hole
Speaker 2: and I just stick with it, right, And I do
Speaker 2: need to like change that about myself.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And but the golf.
Speaker 1: Thing, Man, I'm not great at golf. If it goes off,
Speaker 1: I might kick at her. Three. I like it. I
Speaker 1: like it. I like driving the golf cart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could do that. But she wants she wants
Speaker 2: to walk it.
Speaker 3: She wants to walk.
Speaker 2: She wants to exercise too, right, and she actually loves
Speaker 2: the even like dressing up. She likes the funality of it,
Speaker 2: which I I'm like, I just want to wear like
Speaker 2: sweats and you know, But but I do need to
Speaker 2: make an effort. I got to figure that out. How
Speaker 2: can I calm myself down and just enjoy golf without
Speaker 2: throwing the clubs into the water. But anyway, that was awesome.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, thank you, thank you so much
Speaker 1: For coming on.