Speaker 1: Be around the NFL podcast. He is the most interesting
Speaker 1: team in the NFC. From the Chris Westling podcast studio,
Speaker 1: It's around the NFL. Dan hands is here, got some
Speaker 1: heroes with me, Greg Rose, with thal Mark Sessler. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it. Odds from
Speaker 1: a certain sports book. As we hit week eleven, let's
Speaker 1: let's tick through something some futures here. Okay, Actually, Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell has just entered the room. He's holding a machete.
Speaker 1: Not even like an underling. It's robbed himself. Yes, Mr Goodell,
Speaker 1: bear with me. Um. I think we're allowed to talk
Speaker 1: about this, right, Yeah, absolutely, we have entire programs built.
Speaker 1: Just ask for forgiveness later on these topics. I said,
Speaker 1: all right, the favorite to win Super Bowl. Let's get
Speaker 1: a little tricky with these Roman numerals. Now we're in
Speaker 1: the two thousand twenties. I might want to circle back
Speaker 1: on that. Okay, go ahead, Well, I have to guess
Speaker 1: who who's the favorite? Well, I bet the odds are
Speaker 1: all very long, so favorite, But who has the best odds?
Speaker 1: I would guess the Bucks Bills plus five fifty. Oh
Speaker 1: that makes so much sense because they're in the a
Speaker 1: f C and they're the clear favorite. All right, how
Speaker 1: about the m v P. I can't remember a more
Speaker 1: wide open m v P race. We talked about it
Speaker 1: on the on the Around the NFL broadcast, which you
Speaker 1: can check out Saturdays on NFL Network. I I went
Speaker 1: out on a limb, not really when we got to
Speaker 1: our two minutes in the bucks and said, hey, oh,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's gonna win MVP. And then he stinks out
Speaker 1: the joint. Well not really, but his team did, uh,
Speaker 1: and he took a step back. So the leader for
Speaker 1: the Associated Press m v P award Mark Is I
Speaker 1: would go with Dak Prescott. He is second a plus
Speaker 1: seven hundred. Well, shoot me in the head. I will
Speaker 1: not do that. Josh Allen plus two hundred, the leader
Speaker 1: after plus. I don't buy that at all. That's so
Speaker 1: strange to me. Josh Allen, I don't think has he
Speaker 1: looked like he should be number one in that category.
Speaker 1: I think he's on the borderline of a top five
Speaker 1: quarterback this year. I would probably put him sixth, So
Speaker 1: that does not make sense to me. Their offense is
Speaker 1: significantly worse. I think he could get there, though. There's
Speaker 1: like six or seven here's your long shot here on
Speaker 1: this particular wager. If you were to do it and
Speaker 1: it's not us Pat Mahomes plus, it's wide open, and
Speaker 1: maybe he gets hot and goes off. All right, let's
Speaker 1: see it's Kyler at there. Guy like Kyler as a
Speaker 1: as A I put some green backs down on people
Speaker 1: in the end, don't care about missing games. If he
Speaker 1: comes back and is on fire down the stretch of anywin,
Speaker 1: Kyler is at plus. I like that. It's Alan Brady,
Speaker 1: Dak Stafford, Lamar Rogers, Murray. Okay, a couple more. This
Speaker 1: is a P. Now everybody's why is saying a P?
Speaker 1: Because the NFL and this will be changed I think
Speaker 1: soon at some point. It's the Associated Press's award. They
Speaker 1: give out the award. It doesn't come from the NFL itself.
Speaker 1: The Associated Press Offensive Rookie of the Year, as you
Speaker 1: might expect, heavy favorite is Jamar Chase. But what's uh,
Speaker 1: what's my guy? Mac Jones? Excuse me? I should take
Speaker 1: I take that back. Jamar was the heavy favorite. Now
Speaker 1: Mac is right behind him plus one ten to one
Speaker 1: smack once in the really okay. Defensive Rookie of the Year,
Speaker 1: Michael Parson is a heavy favorite. That minus one sixty,
Speaker 1: with Patrick's certain the second behind him. Comeback Player of
Speaker 1: the Year, that is even minus one sixty seems like
Speaker 1: not a lot of juice to give up when there
Speaker 1: is no one else in the field. You're basically just
Speaker 1: betting that Michael Parson stays healthy. There's no chance he
Speaker 1: does not win that award like that. Actually, I like
Speaker 1: that he likes that one. That's his lock. Uh Dak's
Speaker 1: gonna win Comeback Player of the Year according to the
Speaker 1: Odds Coach of the Year, this is a good one.
Speaker 1: This is very close between three coaches. Okay, I would
Speaker 1: go um Cliff Kingsbury. I don't He's not Mike to
Speaker 1: the year, but that's one of the people at the
Speaker 1: game debut. We we take Coach of the Years and
Speaker 1: I love me some. Matt la Fleur a week ago
Speaker 1: at plus fourteen hundred, that seems crazy to me. Give
Speaker 1: me some. La Fleur hopefully has moved up. He is
Speaker 1: now plus twelve hundred, which puts him at sixth Mike
Speaker 1: mcfarthy at plus five hundred and just ahead of the
Speaker 1: field Mike Frabe at plus four fifty. Well that the
Speaker 1: process for coach of the Year is a muddled um,
Speaker 1: narrative driven mess. Here, here's what I'm saying. If the
Speaker 1: past got it last year, he earned it. That was
Speaker 1: that was an aberration from the end. Today I'm giving
Speaker 1: it to Matt Lafleur. Maybe I'm maybe I'm out of
Speaker 1: step with that's not how it works though, right I
Speaker 1: agree with I hear what you're saying, but like it
Speaker 1: seems that's and I think they could get a one
Speaker 1: seed and they've overcome a lot. To me, they've had
Speaker 1: a great and he's the guy that has Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: Mike Frabel. Look, he's been able to do with his
Speaker 1: team that everybody where down in the Payton is not
Speaker 1: he and he will not be recognized for this, but
Speaker 1: he's been a coach of the year type coach. He's
Speaker 1: a great coach. Mark Offensive Player of the Year, Greg Dismissive.
Speaker 1: Here's Cooper cup uh Defensive Player of the Year, Markie.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be Myles Garrett, and I don't think
Speaker 1: there's is plus two seventy five, but that's still a
Speaker 1: fair long shot. Plus two like yeah, for context, plus
Speaker 1: two seventy five would be like and my guess is
Speaker 1: like Washington's chances to beat the Bucks last week, it's
Speaker 1: still fairly long. That's fairly long odds there. I don't
Speaker 1: like this one because he's been hot and cold in reality.
Speaker 1: But treyvon Digs at plus three hundred, t J. Watt
Speaker 1: plus five hundred, Aaron Donald at plus If t J.
Speaker 1: Watt was healthy, he would be my pick right now
Speaker 1: and long term, but we don't know how long it
Speaker 1: Overcarrett anyway, he would be That's what about Assistant Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year. Why have you buried that category? Do
Speaker 1: they bet on that? I don't know. Why has the
Speaker 1: desert buried that? I remember one year? It's very it's new,
Speaker 1: it's a newer reward. It's very pure. Uh. This is
Speaker 1: the Tuesday edition to be around the NFL podcast. We
Speaker 1: will be re previewing the first game of week eleven,
Speaker 1: that is Falcons at Patriots. Now it's in Atlanta. Oh,
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Okay, so that makes it a little more interesting.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that game. Also, it's been a it's
Speaker 1: been a minute, but we will be checking in on
Speaker 1: some butts. Mark has already mentioned butts multiple times on
Speaker 1: the show. Uh. In the first five minutes, the hot
Speaker 1: put the hot butt check in is happening today first time.
Speaker 1: Back in the middle of August, we did a preseason version.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna see where we're at now and also
Speaker 1: look back at our predictions once a day. And that
Speaker 1: is a Mark Bot. I didn't I didn't make those comments.
Speaker 1: They were made at another time. And now that we do,
Speaker 1: you make those comments at another time. Well, I can't
Speaker 1: deny that. Well, it's not a lot of difference. It's
Speaker 1: just a record, a record of your voice, just like
Speaker 1: I like it nice butts at once in a while,
Speaker 1: my body, my business. Absolutely, I respect your bod. Mark.
Speaker 1: Let's start today's show, however, with closing the door. On
Speaker 1: week ten, Monday Night Football three, right, Garoppolo back on
Speaker 1: fort John throws all it's got so taco. He's gonna
Speaker 1: run in the car. Touchdown, want down, quart back, quickball, touchdown,
Speaker 1: Sir Francisco, who is it? Ricky? Who's the call? Greg
Speaker 1: Papa with a call and what a call it was
Speaker 1: by Kyle Shanahan pulls the trigger on a fourth down
Speaker 1: pass from Jimmy g to Deebo Samuel who was all world.
Speaker 1: He took it to the house. It was the clinching
Speaker 1: score in a thirty one to ten forty nine victor
Speaker 1: boardy Niners victory over the Rams. And Greg would be
Speaker 1: when we when we were setting up, when we were
Speaker 1: teeing up this game late last week, I had made
Speaker 1: the comment that I thought this was such a big
Speaker 1: game in Kyle Shanahan's uh career, only because not as
Speaker 1: I thought he was really his butt was scorching hot
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to that in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but because the scrutiny had never been higher, and if
Speaker 1: the Rams came to San Francisco and just lit up
Speaker 1: the Niners, not only would the Niners be dead and
Speaker 1: buried pretty much in the in the playoff race, it
Speaker 1: would just be such a bad look for a division
Speaker 1: rival to come in and do that too. But instead
Speaker 1: it gets turned on its ear and it's completely the
Speaker 1: other direction. And I thought, not only was this reaffirming
Speaker 1: that Kyle Shanan Shanahan is a great offensive coach and
Speaker 1: a great guy to have leading the charge for the Niners,
Speaker 1: it also completely shifts and resets the NFC playoff picture
Speaker 1: for me, at least in the wild card. A yeah,
Speaker 1: because you get if you're a forty Niners team. You
Speaker 1: come out of this game feeling good, going to the
Speaker 1: Jaguars next week, hope to get to five and five.
Speaker 1: They are a frisky UH six or seven seed candidate.
Speaker 1: And it's just a reminder a matchups matter and be
Speaker 1: players matter. Like They've won this matchup five times in
Speaker 1: a row. And I remember the first one when we
Speaker 1: were in London watching the game on a screen from
Speaker 1: the Hot Toddy and those big forty Niners defensive lineman
Speaker 1: and they're big offensive lineman just threw the Rams around
Speaker 1: all game and that was coming off the Rams Super
Speaker 1: Bowl year and it's like, oh wow, this forty Niners
Speaker 1: team might be legit. They end up going to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And this matchup has played out so similarly
Speaker 1: over the years. Not only did the forty Niners line
Speaker 1: do a good job on defense, messing with Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 1: it's more about the offensive players. It's more Trent Williams,
Speaker 1: one of the best left tackles in the league is back.
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel is beasting on these third down contested catches.
Speaker 1: But oh, by the way, so is Brandon Aiyuk. So
Speaker 1: was George Kittle. Uh On defense, they get back Kawan Williams,
Speaker 1: who did a great job all night on the Rams,
Speaker 1: who was it on Cooper Cups some of the night.
Speaker 1: They're healthier with Jimmy Ward back much of the night,
Speaker 1: like the forty. Niners have had a lot of injuries
Speaker 1: this year, and they had the game plan in this
Speaker 1: game to just get everyone to write the Rams are
Speaker 1: soft articles, which if you're a division rival, you are
Speaker 1: loving today with like Kyle Brand and everyone just being
Speaker 1: like this team. You push them around a little bit
Speaker 1: and they cave and they have nothing else they can
Speaker 1: say to that. These national games create these you know,
Speaker 1: I think if if if everyone who loved football was
Speaker 1: able to watch all these games at night together, we
Speaker 1: would be our knowledge as a fan base, as an
Speaker 1: overall like football collective fan base would be double tripled,
Speaker 1: quadruple because you're just in You're buried in in depth
Speaker 1: in a game like this, and I enjoyed every minute
Speaker 1: of it. Um, it's not really a negative take on
Speaker 1: the Rams when I say that it's my kind of
Speaker 1: football game. The way that the Niners came out and
Speaker 1: on their first to drive they eat up eleven minutes.
Speaker 1: They have an eight minute drive later in the game,
Speaker 1: six minute drive. That's twenty five minutes. They dominated the
Speaker 1: time at the possession, They wore out the l A defense,
Speaker 1: and I I would fight back against the notion that
Speaker 1: really any NFL team is fundamentally soft. Um. But it
Speaker 1: reminds me of how those old Jeff Fisher Rams teams,
Speaker 1: which were typically underwhelming in every possible way, would go
Speaker 1: beat up Seattle. That it was they they had there,
Speaker 1: they had something about the matchup. They were able to
Speaker 1: do it to Russell Wilson Seahawks into that defense as well.
Speaker 1: And I I look at this game and it just
Speaker 1: leaves me wondering, who are the Rams. They cannot necessarily
Speaker 1: survive in a tough NFC. If you're gonna get the
Speaker 1: Stafford turnovers combined with getting beat up they were the
Speaker 1: way they were last night, it's fair to ask if
Speaker 1: they're physical enough. Um. But I look at this team,
Speaker 1: I think they'll get out of it. But you can't
Speaker 1: have Stafford, you can't. You can't get into trouble the
Speaker 1: way he did that last evening. And I'll kind of
Speaker 1: push back a little bit in that the fact that
Speaker 1: these last two Rams games where Island games, primetime games,
Speaker 1: everybody watching it, and it caught them at a time
Speaker 1: when they're not playing very well. People are just going
Speaker 1: to kind of go nuts and and build these type
Speaker 1: of narratives, and I don't buy it. I think they've
Speaker 1: lost three times this year and they got smoked. Get it.
Speaker 1: That's that's not get it. But also noteworthy is like
Speaker 1: a greater above the tree tops viewpoint of the NFL
Speaker 1: where we are right now. Andy Reid came out and
Speaker 1: said it um yesterday that the parody in the league
Speaker 1: is out of control right now, and it's it's I
Speaker 1: don't see a big difference between a lot of these teams.
Speaker 1: So because there's no big difference, I don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of these games aren't really upsets. Even though it
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, yeah, the Ramps should take care of business,
Speaker 1: what is the real difference ultimately between the Niners and
Speaker 1: the Rams? And San Francisco had played so poorly at home.
Speaker 1: In fact, this was their first win at Levi Stadium
Speaker 1: in three ninety three days. It should be noted that
Speaker 1: they didn't play there during the COVID nineteen pandemic, but
Speaker 1: they've been so bad at home, so I think I
Speaker 1: take out of this game more like Okay, the forty
Speaker 1: nine at four and five are cooking now and have
Speaker 1: a chance to get hot um with Jimmy g playing
Speaker 1: much better in recent weeks, with with George Kittle back
Speaker 1: with Deebo, Samuel going off with Brandon and a Yuk
Speaker 1: looking better in the defense, uh, looking better. Where whereas
Speaker 1: the Rams, let's check back in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and I would be surprised if we're still talking about
Speaker 1: it's a bad matchup for them that they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to play again, and who knows, you might play in
Speaker 1: the playoffs again. And it's a certain style which I
Speaker 1: think Tennessee has too. I mean, these are maybe the
Speaker 1: two biggest teams just physically in the NFL, and they
Speaker 1: had their way with the Rams, and so if you
Speaker 1: come up against one of those types of teams, it's
Speaker 1: like this strange, you know, matchup circle that keeps happening
Speaker 1: in the NFC West, the Ram Zone, the Sea how
Speaker 1: Bucks of the Seahawks and the forty Niners on the Rams.
Speaker 1: And now the Cardinals get in the mix and they
Speaker 1: have their own issue too. But that little circle with
Speaker 1: the same coaches has been going on for years now,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a problem. I think the von
Speaker 1: Miller trade told me on some level what they felt
Speaker 1: about their defense. I think that it wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 1: bad trade, but I think it was a trade for
Speaker 1: a team that wasn't just like adding pieces, but felt
Speaker 1: like they needed it. And I think at least in
Speaker 1: this game, though, they're a team that's trying to get better,
Speaker 1: that has they gave up a second and third round
Speaker 1: pick for like a plus starter. To me, that says
Speaker 1: like they weren't confident in their defense. They wanted to
Speaker 1: get better. Yeah, they wanted to win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: the show. They still do. And I'll leave it to
Speaker 1: other talking head morning shows to go crazy about O'Dell
Speaker 1: and von being quiet in the first games. Let's give
Speaker 1: that a little time to marinate. Um. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, like the pressure is on here and I
Speaker 1: and I think you need to get this straightened out
Speaker 1: and get the season back on the right track. I'm
Speaker 1: confident they will, though. I think rams are gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: You said that you were pushing back on what I
Speaker 1: mentioned before, but I think we're in the same camp.
Speaker 1: I think what I find frustrating though, is that as
Speaker 1: analysts slash fans like we are stuck weekly giving good
Speaker 1: teams Mulligan's over and over for performances. Like Sean McVeigh
Speaker 1: didn't walk out of this thinking, hey, I'm confident in
Speaker 1: who we are. I mean his comments after it, I thought,
Speaker 1: we're about as distressed as I've heard him during his
Speaker 1: entire run with the Rams that he needs to go
Speaker 1: into their by and think deeply about what happened over
Speaker 1: the last to give the Rams of Mulligan here. I
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys last week, that's a perfect example. That's
Speaker 1: a Mulligan game. Uh, the Rams even maybe against the
Speaker 1: Titans that loss. Maybe Mulligan when you when you when
Speaker 1: you stack too bad games, Okay, something's up here. You
Speaker 1: have to get a diagnosed and fixed. And I just
Speaker 1: think they have the coaching and the players to get
Speaker 1: that done. It's not a panic scenario. But you're gonna
Speaker 1: run into, if you're the Rams, situation where you're gonna
Speaker 1: play cold weather games down the stretch, brutal games again,
Speaker 1: teams that are built more toughly than you are along
Speaker 1: the lines. I don't love. I know the Rams offensive
Speaker 1: line has been solid and better than expected this year,
Speaker 1: but I mean I don't think that this is a
Speaker 1: team that's built to go. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: on the line. The soft The soft is not like
Speaker 1: I don't think any one of us are saying that
Speaker 1: it's the lines. Well here, here's what it is, them
Speaker 1: getting bodied on all these contested and they were just smaller,
Speaker 1: and it was the I don't think the offensive line necessarily,
Speaker 1: although they couldn't run the ball, um they didn't really
Speaker 1: have to try that much. Uh, But I think they
Speaker 1: got pushed around defensively. I mean that's that's what it was.
Speaker 1: They got. It was a game of keepaway and their
Speaker 1: defense could not get off the field in that game.
Speaker 1: And Stafford is an inconsistent quarterback. There's this idea that
Speaker 1: he was gonna become a different person outside of Detroit,
Speaker 1: and of course the Rams offense is gonna make him different,
Speaker 1: but he's just not a guy that week to week
Speaker 1: throughout his NFL career that you're like that pass is
Speaker 1: gonna be on the money. Okay, Like in this game,
Speaker 1: it wasn't too much more for me with Stafford other
Speaker 1: than just like he missed a lot of throws, a
Speaker 1: lot of drops though too there Robert Woods was noticeable
Speaker 1: on the Manning cast. Peyton Manning brought it up multiple times.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I mean, the the pick six that
Speaker 1: really turned the game was on a blatant drop by
Speaker 1: Tyler Higbee. Van Jefferson dropped the ball that should have
Speaker 1: been a touchdown. The game was a little lot of
Speaker 1: hand at that point. But to my point, even Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup who did most of his damage in garbage time,
Speaker 1: he had a drop. I mean, I just thought it
Speaker 1: like the first, the first, the interest, Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a bad game, the first interception where he just skies
Speaker 1: when that's just a misthrow. There were two or three
Speaker 1: of those early, and then you think of like the
Speaker 1: red zone sequence late when the game was over. I know,
Speaker 1: but he Stafford was scrambled on third down. He runs
Speaker 1: five yards past the line the scrimmage instead of running
Speaker 1: in and that I get it. But then literally the
Speaker 1: next play it's fourth and goal and he threw it
Speaker 1: into the stands. I think that's like, when you see that,
Speaker 1: you're just like, but what is that? I don't want
Speaker 1: that out of my veteran quarterback. Dak Prescott's not thrown
Speaker 1: that ball into the stands. Neither Tom Brady was just
Speaker 1: like ten years of tape with Matthew Stafford. Should the
Speaker 1: Rams knew that that was gonna creep up at some point?
Speaker 1: I would say this though the drops are not characteristic
Speaker 1: of the Rams. That stuff will go away. You won't
Speaker 1: see those mistakes week to week to some degree. But
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan basically said, we wanted to run the ball
Speaker 1: forty times and we were gonna find out real early
Speaker 1: if we could do it. The Rams let them in
Speaker 1: the Rams with the first team this year. That allowed
Speaker 1: the Niners to look like the Niners that we expected
Speaker 1: to see. It runs to to eleven passes for Jimmy
Speaker 1: to start that game, and and speaking of the Manning cast,
Speaker 1: just they kept noting how the Rams couldn't cover the
Speaker 1: middle of the field the whole night, and that no
Speaker 1: matter what happened, they would not change their defensive philosophy,
Speaker 1: which essentially is not going to crowd the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: So they were just we're still begging them to run
Speaker 1: the ball even up to seven. You gotta be able
Speaker 1: to change the perfect game, perfect timing for the Rams
Speaker 1: to have a buy here. See if they can get
Speaker 1: things straightened out, and we'll see how they look on
Speaker 1: the other side, with the s schedule op J into
Speaker 1: the mix. I mean that that is a big factor
Speaker 1: you lose Woods. We hadn't done a show since then,
Speaker 1: and that is a leader on their team, a captain
Speaker 1: on their team. O b J is not going to
Speaker 1: be heavily involved two days after being on the team anyone.
Speaker 1: It is taking much out of that is going a
Speaker 1: little crazy. He played like twelve steps, but you want
Speaker 1: to use the bye week to get him into a
Speaker 1: big role on well, I'm pressing the pause button on
Speaker 1: that one. We'll see what happens. But it's not as
Speaker 1: easy as people think. I promise you you did play
Speaker 1: Pop Warner. I'm coming from the having you know, been
Speaker 1: rooting for him for years to emerge like it's you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not like O'Dell Hate Hour. When O'Dell signed
Speaker 1: with the Rams, it was like, Okay, that's a good
Speaker 1: spot for him to have a role on that offense
Speaker 1: as long as they can keep them happy and involved.
Speaker 1: Now with Woods is injury, now he slides into a
Speaker 1: very vital role in that offense, and the Rams need
Speaker 1: him to be a big time player. I think it's
Speaker 1: an interesting and he's not Woods. We already know that.
Speaker 1: Like they're not the same player, you don't do the
Speaker 1: same thing. All right, So there you go, Monday night football.
Speaker 1: There's the recap. There you go. Let's take a break.
Speaker 1: We will now talk butts. We can talk butts and
Speaker 1: not get canceled because we're not objectifying. But they're just
Speaker 1: hot temperature wise. I mean, I wouldn't say I dare
Speaker 1: you to cancel me. Don't. I'm not doing this is
Speaker 1: not a challenge. That's not a good mood. It's not
Speaker 1: something you should be verbally just saying, don't don't take
Speaker 1: this the wrong way. We're not talking about the physical bodies,
Speaker 1: and we're not you know what I'm saying anybody. I
Speaker 1: think it's important Greg to have that qualified. Greg, I'm
Speaker 1: going to send a tweet. I'm just okay by yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't believe in can't. I don't think canceling is
Speaker 1: a thing. But we don't need to go down. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well that will be the next segment of the show.
Speaker 1: Uh point, counter point on the cancel culture that doesn't
Speaker 1: exist or does bring back our old column? He said,
Speaker 1: He said, cancel culture column love, it can't be doing
Speaker 1: that column. Now get old. See if Rodgers is free
Speaker 1: after his Macavie appearance today. Let's let's get to it
Speaker 1: all right. So, like I said, UM, we as we
Speaker 1: do every year. UM, we've talked about all the coaches,
Speaker 1: thirty two coaches in the league. Unfortunately, and again this
Speaker 1: isn't a celebration. That just it's a fact of the
Speaker 1: matter that the NFL has incredible churn and turnover at
Speaker 1: the head coach position every year, anywhere between let's say
Speaker 1: five and eight guys that's like a quarter. It could
Speaker 1: be up to a quarter of the league lose their
Speaker 1: jobs on that Black Monday, as it's called. So it's coming.
Speaker 1: The acts is coming for a lot of coaches. So
Speaker 1: back on August six, UM, I'm looking at the list
Speaker 1: now and I want to just make a couple of
Speaker 1: points about the old list before we turn to the
Speaker 1: conversation where we are now out. Um, the three coaches
Speaker 1: that we had as third degree hot, but was Naggy,
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor and Greg you would pounded the table for
Speaker 1: fig Fongio, which I thought was interesting, Um, and for
Speaker 1: second degree hot. But entering the season we all agreed
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, UM, I me and Greg both thought Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy was second degree hot but Mike Zimmer. Dan and
Speaker 1: Gregg thought, uh, it was a hot seat for him.
Speaker 1: And then Greg you thought Joe Judge was in more
Speaker 1: trouble than people realized. Was I on this show? I
Speaker 1: feel like I did I log any comments at all?
Speaker 1: Maybe we were right in the fence a little bit.
Speaker 1: Here you go, here's some Mark Seiler first degree, which meant,
Speaker 1: you know, I think they're probably okay, but keep an
Speaker 1: eye on it. And this is maybe an interesting category
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this conversation. In November, Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: Fongio for Dan and Mark. Dan had Gruden, which was
Speaker 1: not how I saw it playing Apple. Gruden did lose
Speaker 1: his job. Uh, Joe Judge I had uh Zimmer, Mark
Speaker 1: you had Zimmer at first degree, and Mark you also
Speaker 1: had Mike McCarthy first degree hot button. Now it's interesting
Speaker 1: those three coaches at the very bottom right now, Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor's feeling no pain. You'd win two more games the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. There's no way you're changing Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1: Vic Fonsio, despite being five and five. I would keep
Speaker 1: them right there because I just feel like it's playoffs
Speaker 1: or bust, and they're gonna want to make a change,
Speaker 1: and Naggy feels like he's in the same spot ultimately,
Speaker 1: like we don't really know, but I don't think he's
Speaker 1: done enough to feel any different. So I kinda I
Speaker 1: don't know if if you guys did anything like this,
Speaker 1: but I put together my my kind of list, updated list,
Speaker 1: and and I do have six names that I think.
Speaker 1: I labeled it as hot a f uh, and a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble and then when you when you again,
Speaker 1: five to eight guys, so it's it's it's a list
Speaker 1: of guys that are in a lot of trouble right now.
Speaker 1: But just all cycle real quick and tell me when
Speaker 1: to stop. Uh. This category is don't be stupid. This
Speaker 1: is not even up for debate, and this is all
Speaker 1: alphabetical order. Just somebody knows this is in the order
Speaker 1: of their safety here, but arian's Belichick, Harbaugh, McVeigh, Peyton,
Speaker 1: Read and Tomlin. Uh, not even a question, not even
Speaker 1: not involved with this segment. Everybody go with that, probably
Speaker 1: add okay, well, all right, so the next category for
Speaker 1: me is safe a f So they're very safe unless
Speaker 1: something crazy happens between now in January again alphabetical order. Okay, Kingsbury,
Speaker 1: La Fleur, McCarthy, McDermott, Shanahan, Rabel. You want to put
Speaker 1: a couple of those guys up there, and the don't
Speaker 1: even bring them up. Sure, La Fleur. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: right now the greatest coach in NFL history, winning percentage wise.
Speaker 1: But McCarthy is that one that I keep saying, if
Speaker 1: they like lost an ugly playoff game, I could see
Speaker 1: them elevating Kellen Moore. I don't, we don't need to
Speaker 1: keep having that same conversation, but any love that, I
Speaker 1: really do think that it's possible if something weird happened
Speaker 1: and teams are trying to high higher Kellen Moore, which
Speaker 1: feels like a very plausible scenario. So I think what
Speaker 1: the next category, which I have labeled as they good,
Speaker 1: is where you see McCarthy. And it should be noted
Speaker 1: we just talked about about the Desert odds. McCarthy is
Speaker 1: second right now odds for Coach of the Year, So
Speaker 1: he's I think he's in good shape. But you never
Speaker 1: know where the Dallas it could be a volatile place.
Speaker 1: Uh they good mark alphabetical all right, good from A
Speaker 1: to C Frank Reich, Matt Rule, Ron, Rivera, Robert Sala,
Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni, Arthur Smith, Brandon Staley, Kevin Stefanski. A lot
Speaker 1: of coaches with last name is beginning now, is there?
Speaker 1: Thank you for noticing that. This is fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: I just named one, two, three, four, or five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight coaches, all of them with the last name that
Speaker 1: started with an R, orn s. That's weird, all in
Speaker 1: the same that's that is an oddity Mars category right, Rule, Rivera, Rosenthal, Solace, Sirianni, Smith, Stay, Lestefanski, Sessler. Well,
Speaker 1: you put that ar Vanski that you put You put
Speaker 1: my name actually out of order of alphabetically. You put
Speaker 1: me last, which suggests something else. Rivera's Rivera probably should
Speaker 1: be there. You're right, but he is the one of
Speaker 1: that group that stands out to me as you're the
Speaker 1: one who talked me out of that. I was saying
Speaker 1: that like a week ago, Nah, just because it's that organization.
Speaker 1: But you're probably right. Oh. I think Rivera is is safe.
Speaker 1: I think he's extremely safe. I think I changed my
Speaker 1: mind again, it's just that team. I don't do you Mark,
Speaker 1: do you have an issue? With me having Stefanski and
Speaker 1: Vye good as opposed to safe a f two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I would have very large. I think he's safe. He's
Speaker 1: done too much and he's brought too much calm to
Speaker 1: the organization. And I think he's flat out a good coach.
Speaker 1: So I mean, unless something insane occurred, um, I think
Speaker 1: he should be safe for me. The Browns suit Jimmy Haslin,
Speaker 1: who has now uh a fear and anxiety about being
Speaker 1: labeled an owner who cycles through coaches, is not firing
Speaker 1: the coach of the Year one year later would be
Speaker 1: not as they went five and twelve and Stefanski, you know, well,
Speaker 1: here's the truth. The truth here is the only reason
Speaker 1: I had him at a safe as a F is
Speaker 1: because the nature and this this is recency buys the
Speaker 1: fact that there's grumbling and there's some discontent, and he
Speaker 1: had the Odell soap opera. Is it possible there could
Speaker 1: be the locker room gets out of hand. But I
Speaker 1: kind of overrule myself there and Greg, you think you
Speaker 1: should be safe af why don't we pop him up there?
Speaker 1: It does kind of I like that there there was
Speaker 1: all these s s and rs here. It interrupts that
Speaker 1: part of the process. But I think people will forget
Speaker 1: about that aspect. Okay, good, So he well move Stefanski
Speaker 1: up to safe AF. He has earned it. He's a
Speaker 1: very good coach. He is the reigning coach of the year. Um.
Speaker 1: All right, now, Ricky, now we turn up the gas burners.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's got a was they good? They're good?
Speaker 1: This one? Is they good? Okay? Question mark is essential there? Yeah? Alright?
Speaker 1: And um I mentioned that in the Bay good category,
Speaker 1: we had six first year coaches here, uh Sala Sirianni,
Speaker 1: Smith and Staley, and then Campbell and urban Meyer. I
Speaker 1: have Campbell and urban Meyer in the they good category? Uh,
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, I haven't they good? Zach Taylor and Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer I I would bibbles. I think Mike Zimmer um
Speaker 1: is maybe I'm just projecting my own feelings about the
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer era. I think he'd be in the next
Speaker 1: hotter category for me based on the vikings. Just let's
Speaker 1: say they melt away as I think they want to do. Um, Mike,
Speaker 1: The Mike zimmer experience feels like it's run a little
Speaker 1: long at this point. Right. You have days like that
Speaker 1: Chargers game and you you know the football tape, Heeds
Speaker 1: will come away from being like Mike's embers still one
Speaker 1: of the best defensive play callers in the league. Like
Speaker 1: he has games where he just gives you a huge advantage.
Speaker 1: But if they go seven and ten and whatever that
Speaker 1: ending would entail, I think he's gone. So I would
Speaker 1: make him. I would make him higher, just because like
Speaker 1: they just can't keep cycling back this group. Spielman and
Speaker 1: Zimmer have been together forever. Spielman has been there for
Speaker 1: fifteen plus years. I think he probably sticks around, but
Speaker 1: I think they would make a change if they don't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, all right, And um, I have the
Speaker 1: last category the names. I had Bessacchi in there, but
Speaker 1: I think that's a little unfair, and also it's it's
Speaker 1: weird because he's an interim coach. I'm gonna pulls out
Speaker 1: with the caveat that. I think it would be very
Speaker 1: hard for him to be the head coach next year.
Speaker 1: Pacia bumped. Yeah, I think that's what's happening. So this
Speaker 1: is the final category. Grouped them all together because I
Speaker 1: think they're all in trouble here. Hot af a lot
Speaker 1: of discomfort. As you could hear. This was a ruling
Speaker 1: session for this guy. He was there for hours. Uh.
Speaker 1: David Culley, so the one first year guy that I
Speaker 1: I've been pounding the drum on this one for a while.
Speaker 1: I just think he was put in an impossible situation,
Speaker 1: in a temporary hold situation, just to get through a
Speaker 1: really bad year, a year that the organization is gonna
Speaker 1: try to do everything in their power to kind of
Speaker 1: strike from the record. Uh. And it's not David Culley's fault.
Speaker 1: He's a veteran guy that got this gig. But man,
Speaker 1: I could just see the Texans doing a hard pivot
Speaker 1: to a whole new era and wanting to disassociate entirely
Speaker 1: with quarterback, coach players, uh, the whole thing. So I
Speaker 1: have him on the hot a f list also, fush,
Speaker 1: I just think fixing a lot of trouble. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: be here if we did this one week ago and
Speaker 1: that Cowboys win. I was. I was bullish about the
Speaker 1: Broncos and a lot of people were, and then they
Speaker 1: went back right back to being an underachieving team. Uh Uh.
Speaker 1: And Teddy, by the way, apologized he did and I
Speaker 1: don't think he was forced to, like the media got
Speaker 1: on him and Twitter got got crazy. The way he
Speaker 1: put it, Greg, he watched the tape and it was
Speaker 1: a hard watch with his teammates on Monday, and he
Speaker 1: addressed it, which was good. And that's because he's a
Speaker 1: good guy. So I'm not piling on here. No, it
Speaker 1: was good. It's been a tough couple of days in
Speaker 1: the Teddy discourse. Um, but I'm glad and I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised as a leader. He he seemed to
Speaker 1: realize watching it it was worse than he imagined. Well also,
Speaker 1: I mean I can imagine that there was, because it
Speaker 1: was such a story that in that room where you've
Speaker 1: got all your team around you and your coaches and
Speaker 1: they probably also watching, you know, for the entire team
Speaker 1: to watch together, which is it is funny because like
Speaker 1: if he was he watched Tom Brady after his interceptions
Speaker 1: in Washington or this year, he literally doesn't move a
Speaker 1: muscle and and then and I think that's smart if
Speaker 1: you're Tom Brady. But well, if you're Tom Brady, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess the greatest quarterback in the history of this
Speaker 1: It just looked optics wise that the player ran right
Speaker 1: by him and he ran right next to him and
Speaker 1: he should have just like kind of got he you know.
Speaker 1: He the only mistake, well besides the onfield mistake. And
Speaker 1: I didn't want to hear. I didn't like people like
Speaker 1: firing back. He almost lost a leg. It's like, I
Speaker 1: get that, and everyone respects the hell out of Teddy
Speaker 1: for what he was able to do to get back
Speaker 1: on the field, but it was obviously it put the
Speaker 1: team at a disadvantage by that was the game changing play. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield season changed by doing one of these plays
Speaker 1: against the Texans. So there is a conversation about how
Speaker 1: much do you want your quarterbacks to be technically not
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones saying he doesn't want Dak Prescott bareling into
Speaker 1: people as a runner either. I mean, it's just like
Speaker 1: you lose those guys, everything goes out. I I disagree
Speaker 1: on Colley because he got a five year contract and
Speaker 1: I the only way I see that happening is if
Speaker 1: ownership blows up Cassario. The GM they you know, paid
Speaker 1: so much and did all this to bring from New England, Like,
Speaker 1: unless he's gone, if Cassario is their colors there, why
Speaker 1: what did they expect that of this. I see where
Speaker 1: Dan is coming from. I see him as a total
Speaker 1: kind of h Patsy Lee Harvey Oswald type figure who
Speaker 1: could be swept out of there. But you you then
Speaker 1: have to turn around and find someone to come handle
Speaker 1: the head coaching duties of this messy organization. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure you're he's willing to do it. He may
Speaker 1: be the only human that's willing to do it. Right now,
Speaker 1: I think it's one I think it's one more year,
Speaker 1: and I would put Pete Carroll into this category hot
Speaker 1: af I do have just now, they got the Cardinals
Speaker 1: coming in, you got your quarterback and him. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like one way or another idea. Well, you have been
Speaker 1: on this Carol thing, and I can get where you're
Speaker 1: coming from, Greg, But you have to also look at
Speaker 1: the overall Peat Carroll experience in Seattle. What he's done.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like he's been. He's been as
Speaker 1: successful as you could ask, and his defense is playing
Speaker 1: better right now. But if they go six and eleven
Speaker 1: and Russ wants out, you gotta get someone better to
Speaker 1: be one or the other. All right, Let's move then
Speaker 1: to the rest of the hot A f category. Vic
Speaker 1: Faggio on board with that, absolutely, Yeah, it's really the
Speaker 1: new GM. George Payton too, who I think wants a
Speaker 1: new coach. Brian Flores. Now maybe you can put him
Speaker 1: in the vegod category, but I just think Flores is
Speaker 1: on a lot of trouble and what's been one of
Speaker 1: the more disappointing seasons for Miami football in a while.
Speaker 1: Um Joe Judge, I have him on a very hot
Speaker 1: seat because and I think he kind ofs caught up
Speaker 1: organizationally with the GM is probably gonna get swept out, gentleman,
Speaker 1: and the new GM is gonna probably want his own guys.
Speaker 1: So I think Judge is in trouble there. And then
Speaker 1: I keep Matt Naggy where he was in August, which
Speaker 1: is on the hottest of the hot seats. It's interesting
Speaker 1: how few clear cases there are here. To me, Naggy
Speaker 1: is even he's not clear because ownership there is so strange.
Speaker 1: There's so many Bears fans that are worried justin fields.
Speaker 1: Playing well down the stretch even if they go six
Speaker 1: eleven will mean they keep Naggy because of ownership. I
Speaker 1: don't know like that it should go without saying the
Speaker 1: last eight or nine games matters, so much like if
Speaker 1: you finished four and four. Owners have a tendency to
Speaker 1: look the other way. Fngio seems to me the clearest.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't make the playoffs, he's out, Naggy, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, and then the rest that just seems a
Speaker 1: little gray, a little grey or that. But in our league,
Speaker 1: these owners and the teams, they'll make change for the
Speaker 1: sake of change. There's a reason it's all two or three.
Speaker 1: These coaches will go. It will go horribly for in
Speaker 1: the next d eight games. Like there's the flip side
Speaker 1: of that, and know and if that happens to any
Speaker 1: of these guys, I'm with you. I mean, the Bears
Speaker 1: ownership has been very patient with Matt Nique you very
Speaker 1: patient with Jim Ryan Pace, and I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: their m O in general, is too much patience where
Speaker 1: another team Matt Nigge would have been out two years ago.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Virginia mc caskey, she's ninety eight
Speaker 1: years old. She's still going every game game. She just
Speaker 1: might like you might like Mattie and be like, I
Speaker 1: like these boys. Yeah, you guys, that's ages from Gregg.
Speaker 1: But I'll let it slid well. He is fifty years
Speaker 1: younger than than her. I'm not saying the boys things
Speaker 1: that you're suggesting just because she's ninety two, that she's
Speaker 1: not thinking critically about, like you know, her hires. You
Speaker 1: have expressed out mark about a change happening. Do you
Speaker 1: want to put a sandwich online black Monday? Naggie is
Speaker 1: one of the guys that goes maybe not that weak
Speaker 1: exactly day exactly, but he will be out of a job.
Speaker 1: I will do it. Why not because you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to buy me a sangwiche hypothetically, That's fine, I'll buy
Speaker 1: you one. Ron. I also think that I've been on.
Speaker 1: I do think he should go. I'm not arguing that
Speaker 1: he shouldn't. I just don't trust the Bears to do
Speaker 1: the right thing. Just consider fifteen years from now, roughly,
Speaker 1: for you, Dan, you will be as old. You will
Speaker 1: be as old as um the Bears owner was when
Speaker 1: Matt Naggie was born. That's all I'm saying. It's a
Speaker 1: big age difference. She's going to see him as a
Speaker 1: young man. Mathematically, you are you are dead on. Give
Speaker 1: him an extension, all right? A better record than Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: They tell me, all right, let's let's all right, So
Speaker 1: there you go. That is the uh you know, hot
Speaker 1: but check in And that was not any commentary on
Speaker 1: their actual anatomy, So you don't got me on that.
Speaker 1: I thought Mark made some comments that felt more physically
Speaker 1: based earlier. I did not at all. But I think
Speaker 1: you might have been talking about your own button, So
Speaker 1: I think you're in the clear. Yeah, I'm allowed to
Speaker 1: say anything I want about my own physical right. Well,
Speaker 1: that's out of context, I would imagine. But also you're saying,
Speaker 1: I like a nice butt smack every once in a while,
Speaker 1: so you're asking someone to do it to you. Now
Speaker 1: we're getting back into the realm of the gray smack
Speaker 1: once in a while. Out of context because I believe
Speaker 1: I was talking about a team getting their butt smacked
Speaker 1: by another team. I believe that's what that was. What judge,
Speaker 1: all right, there you go, let's take a break and
Speaker 1: then we'll hit the T and F preview. But I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna lack it, am, I said, take, I
Speaker 1: don't know where we are. Yeah, everybody welcomes today. This
Speaker 1: is the second time, not not not no worries here No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna like it. Yeah, take it away Thursday night
Speaker 1: Football preview and joining us her tradition the great count
Speaker 1: cut calm on you know that will I am production
Speaker 1: slathered all over Rianka. We gotta lose that. She seems
Speaker 1: naive to what happens um in certain places in most
Speaker 1: any city. But I'm I like her optimism over around
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I'm going to throw something out there
Speaker 1: and it might not be that popular, but I think
Speaker 1: that the official song of Thursday Night Football should be
Speaker 1: young Jeez, put on Come. But you have a lot
Speaker 1: of say so that that could happen always. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: sort of your show. You got you got Robert Hunt
Speaker 1: on your show. That was you, right, that was you. Oh.
Speaker 1: I kept texting the producers and I took my message
Speaker 1: to Twitter. So and Robert Hunt, of course is the
Speaker 1: folk hero the offensive linement for the Dolphins. Uh, that
Speaker 1: was That's a good get. And we were hoping leading
Speaker 1: into the game that Justin Tucker would win the game
Speaker 1: and you'd be able to get a kicker up there.
Speaker 1: But to get a guard who had an amazing non touchdown,
Speaker 1: that's what we're looking. He was upside down at one point,
Speaker 1: we gave him the slash guitar post game and apparently
Speaker 1: he was playing the guitar in the locker rooms. Great, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, it's a wonderful story, truly. That was then
Speaker 1: this is now coming up on Thursday in New England.
Speaker 1: Patriots travel to uh the Mercedes Benz Don't Bingo to
Speaker 1: face the Falcons. And I love to say, and this
Speaker 1: is Connie's part of her job is to give it
Speaker 1: some juice. I'd love to say, this feels like a
Speaker 1: great game and Thursday night weird to tell prefess it
Speaker 1: that way. Anything could happened. Look at the Ravens and
Speaker 1: Dolphins last week, for example. But the Falcons just got
Speaker 1: humiliated by the Cowboys. They won't have Cordell cordar Le
Speaker 1: Cordurell Patterson, who has an injury. Most likely he's out
Speaker 1: sella county. Why how is the how did the Falcons
Speaker 1: stop the Patriots from going off? You know, I always
Speaker 1: have a hard time with whether or not it's Cordarrell
Speaker 1: or Cordurell Idyl. But but for interpretations, that's going to
Speaker 1: be a big storyline heading into this game because he's
Speaker 1: been so good for them, and I just feel like,
Speaker 1: coming off of last week, are we so close together?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm on my spot at when you
Speaker 1: were singing together, now you're not. You're sharing lyrics ahead. Okay,
Speaker 1: so maybe after what happened last week with the Falcons,
Speaker 1: they kind of can come to a little bit. It's
Speaker 1: just it's such a bummer with right. I just I
Speaker 1: want more for Matt Ryan. I feel like he doesn't
Speaker 1: deserve all of this. He doesn't have time to throw,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have his skill position players out there, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have a defense. There are a lot of things
Speaker 1: that have gone against Matt Ryan. And maybe this will
Speaker 1: be the first time that they can win at home
Speaker 1: this season because they haven't done it yet andans but
Speaker 1: it's Thursday night football, and I feel like the weirdest
Speaker 1: stuff happens. It always goes sideways. Look at last week,
Speaker 1: the whole pregame show, the whole week I spent talking
Speaker 1: about the Ravens and they were coming off of that
Speaker 1: effort the week before where they looked so good and
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was back in the m v P conversation
Speaker 1: and then the Dolphins defense just lit them up. So
Speaker 1: who knows. I think that this could be the get
Speaker 1: right game for the fact, get this isn't even lockable
Speaker 1: in our game. This is a point spread. Really it
Speaker 1: moved it started at six. I don't actually believe that
Speaker 1: the Patriots are going because I because I probably I
Speaker 1: would be happy to and my long long reasons. You
Speaker 1: try to at least it's hard to make a case
Speaker 1: for them. I really think Cordorrell Patterson is the Jenga
Speaker 1: piece for them because he got hurt. It's supposedly a
Speaker 1: high ankle spring. The Falcons are saying that it will
Speaker 1: come down to game time, but our guy Ian rap
Speaker 1: Board does not think he's playing. Not only was he here,
Speaker 1: but Hayden Hurst, who's a good tight end, a great
Speaker 1: number two titles, got hurt in that game too, is
Speaker 1: also out. So now it's just Kyle Pitts Covin Ridley,
Speaker 1: you know, still on the reserve list to Russell Gauge.
Speaker 1: Russell Gauges is fine, but you're gonna be double teaming, uh,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts all game. You're gonna probably put J. C.
Speaker 1: Jackson on Gauge. And that's it's a lot to ask,
Speaker 1: Like Matt Ryan is either a top five quarterback when
Speaker 1: he's protected or he's like a total disaster. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess at this point it's like, you know, just
Speaker 1: c gmail C g im into the show. You weren't
Speaker 1: saying anything. Mark, I wanted to get you in there.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's a good producer. She's doing to work.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like last Mark, do you think is
Speaker 1: a good producer? Oh yeah, i'd keep my answer similar,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be exactly the same, like a nice butt smack
Speaker 1: once in a while. We got that, all right, Well
Speaker 1: you want to drop the song on me while I'm
Speaker 1: saying whatever I'm about to say. To be my guest,
Speaker 1: the floor is yours. Um, I would just say this
Speaker 1: Patriots team and we're not talking about like there's no boundary,
Speaker 1: Like there's no boundary lines for them at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm in the super Bowl before last hell yeah, also
Speaker 1: picked the brown. So I'm not gonna give you too much.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you're giving me credit. It's not what
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about. But they have they have gone from
Speaker 1: child uh in this season, to preteen to young man,
Speaker 1: and they are becoming raging adults. And they at this point,
Speaker 1: I'd say Bill Belichick is back and they are like,
Speaker 1: I look at a team that simply what are there?
Speaker 1: You know they're gonna be as perfectly coached as possible.
Speaker 1: The Falcons have the worst pass rush in the league.
Speaker 1: They're decimated on offense. I guess you can throw the
Speaker 1: ball to Kyle Pitts twenty times an attempt that but
Speaker 1: nothing on paper, and it happened last week. I hear
Speaker 1: you uh suggests that the that the Patriots go in
Speaker 1: and have a kind of game where they don't take
Speaker 1: the Falcon seriously and crumble. I just the way they've
Speaker 1: been running the ball too. I mean, you can gash
Speaker 1: Atlanta right up the middle all you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were moments in that Dallas game where they're cutting
Speaker 1: to Mike McCarthy and he's trying to hold back giggles
Speaker 1: on the sideline. After what Dallas was able to do
Speaker 1: with every aspect of their offense, it's a terrible spot
Speaker 1: for Atlanta to be on national television. Yeah, red ass week.
Speaker 1: It ended very, very differently than the Falcons wanted. For sure,
Speaker 1: Yes it did well. Mike McCarthy was talking about and
Speaker 1: what he wanted that the result that he was aiming
Speaker 1: for all week. But Mac Jones he's been doing so well.
Speaker 1: He's been playing awesome. And not to mention, as you said,
Speaker 1: the the running game a hundred and eighty four rushing
Speaker 1: yards for the Patriots last week. Romandre Stevenson, Hello, my friend,
Speaker 1: how are you? Are you going to be our postgame guests?
Speaker 1: Love their backfield. It doesn't sound like Damien Harris is
Speaker 1: gonna return. I don't know. Uh yeah. Who would be
Speaker 1: a good guest for them? Probably Mac Jones? Mac Jones?
Speaker 1: Would he be good? Have you heard Mac Jones recently?
Speaker 1: He's been fully programmed by Patriot White kind of wizard.
Speaker 1: As long as you protect the football and matriculate down
Speaker 1: the field, we will be Connie Fox can get something
Speaker 1: out of you like that to begin. You know who's
Speaker 1: good is J C. Jackson, who you could see picking
Speaker 1: off Matt Ryan a couple of times. He's got a personality. Okay,
Speaker 1: you like the j C. Jackson. It's you know, I'm
Speaker 1: thrilled by what's happening. Life's gotta get harder for Mac
Speaker 1: after this week. It's Titans bills, Cults bills for really
Speaker 1: good past So that'll be a bigger test. This doesn't
Speaker 1: figure to be it. It's Dean P's on the other side,
Speaker 1: longtime Patriots defensive coordinator who is one of those game
Speaker 1: plan guys where it's either all good or all terrible.
Speaker 1: He'll probably try to throw a lot up mac Jones,
Speaker 1: but they should have mismatches everywhere. And if if this
Speaker 1: game does get weird, because Thursday night football is weird
Speaker 1: as hell. Um, you know who's a really good, good
Speaker 1: ass kicker, Young wait Coup. So if we want to
Speaker 1: continue to put a little focus on keep an eye
Speaker 1: on the kickers. Um, he seems like a dude that
Speaker 1: might be you might maybe worth checking in on the
Speaker 1: old very strong to we We were standing about five
Speaker 1: to ten ft from Young wakeup throughout the London game,
Speaker 1: big big man, a lot of muscles and very angry. Uh.
Speaker 1: Many times during the game he threw a helmet into
Speaker 1: uh you know one of those Well, Greg, this is
Speaker 1: pro football work through his helmet like, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: very thick bodied. Alright, kick now Colleen, what else do
Speaker 1: we need to talk about before we say goodbye? Um,
Speaker 1: we need to talk about the fact that we haven't
Speaker 1: hung out in a guys, Yes, I miss you to
Speaker 1: address that. It is, you know, the dynamic of our
Speaker 1: friendship group during the season. It's just not going to
Speaker 1: happen a lot a lot of social gatherings. But I did,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to open this up and let you know.
Speaker 1: You guys know, I do plan to host a pre
Speaker 1: party get together ahead of the holiday bash. And you guys,
Speaker 1: once in a while, you're invited to hands this manner
Speaker 1: mark especially thank you. I will be there, I promise you.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I love a party. Where has been
Speaker 1: on ice? That's so far? But I get to come
Speaker 1: out for one night during the way. I like that
Speaker 1: very good. You've been on ice. I missed. I missed
Speaker 1: what you just said the summer of Connie Ice. But
Speaker 1: I do get to come out like one night season
Speaker 1: and that's the Christmas party. What He's great. He has
Speaker 1: a big announcement. Four Mar twelve is an American sports writer.
Speaker 1: Was married NFL media broadcaster Colley Wolfe. John, who was
Speaker 1: a Pisces, resides in Los Angeles with his wife and JUDEOK.
Speaker 1: Like Greg the Wishes, he was married to John Gonzalez.
Speaker 1: That watch out, should I be worried, No, am, I
Speaker 1: gonna find you at the house when J and J
Speaker 1: brotherhood that we share it says something about gone so
Speaker 1: that that was recorded four or five years ago and
Speaker 1: no updates have been needed, Like he's just staying and
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's speaks to his consistency. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get pulled into something where you're trying
Speaker 1: to create a controversy between me and gon So it
Speaker 1: speaks to his nature and we don't want to have
Speaker 1: to rerecord it either, So just keep things the way
Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, okay, good? Alright, So Colleen will shuffle
Speaker 1: off to Atlanta in her private jet and make sure
Speaker 1: you check her out on NFL Network's coverage of Thursday
Speaker 1: Night Football, and uh, we will be back on Thursday
Speaker 1: with our uh week eleven preview. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1: Week eleven already here? How many more weeks of TNF
Speaker 1: do you have? It's already? I think our last one
Speaker 1: is Christmas Day? Okay, so yeah, you're traveling. We have
Speaker 1: off next week for Thanksgiving and New Orleans, Minnesota, Chargers, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: and then we have like a couple no we already
Speaker 1: didn't Miami. Maybe they'll go back to Miami. So Gonzo
Speaker 1: is spending Christmas alone. Greg, just that's an update I'll
Speaker 1: gotta wrap up Greg as a gift for John Miami.
Speaker 1: I remember when my family used to leave me on Christmas,
Speaker 1: your your childhood family. Tell us more about the wife
Speaker 1: and children. Yeah, they would leave me here alone. We'd
Speaker 1: have to celebrate. We'd pretend Christmas was like a week
Speaker 1: before so that they could get a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: So I can't really pretend the pandemic and you're stuck here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, there we go. That is a just a
Speaker 1: real nice snapshot into the whole group today. Uh, Mark,
Speaker 1: do you think we've covered everything? Oh? Yeah, well good,
Speaker 1: all right, so then we can get going perfect. Um.
Speaker 1: This is Dan hands is signing off for the Tiny Box,
Speaker 1: the Quiet Storm, the Old Boss Rick's call a wreck,
Speaker 1: got a roll all right until Thursday. You know what
Speaker 1: to do? He the call