WEBVTT - NFL Post Free Agency Win Totals (Ep. 83)

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to place your bets. Let's talk to the pros.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome in everybody to betting pros. I'm your host, Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Piza Pierre. We got a great show for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be talking a little NFL futures, some team

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<v Speaker 2>win totals, a little overs, a little unders post free agency,

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<v Speaker 2>with the draft looming just a few weeks away now,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very exciting stuff. It might be some opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>here depending on which teams we think might be more

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<v Speaker 2>fully formed than others or have made some really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>offseason moves to talk about where some of those stand.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've got our top ten favorite ones to discuss here,

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<v Speaker 2>which teams that free agency really did impact in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of their twenty twenty one win totals. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite people to talk football with is one of

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<v Speaker 2>my old pals from Sports Grid, one of my TV brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>You know him from Sports Grid all the time, hosting

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<v Speaker 2>so many shows there. He does such fantasic work. You

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<v Speaker 2>know him from Football Full Circle, from In Game Live,

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<v Speaker 2>from Pro Football Today, he hosts college football there. He's

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<v Speaker 2>so versatile and that's why I love him. He's also

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<v Speaker 2>a handsome devil, and that's why you watch us over

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<v Speaker 2>on the YouTube channel as well for Betting Pros. He's

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Blewett. Mike, Welcome to the program, my friend. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you today?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, buddy, fired up, I'm ready to talk to some

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<v Speaker 3>win totals. Obviously, a lot going on in the football world,

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<v Speaker 3>as there always is, and I'm excited to be on

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<v Speaker 3>this pod with you. It's our first time working together

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<v Speaker 3>in quite a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and that's just that's a shame. It's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that. But that's why I said. You know

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<v Speaker 2>why I've been talked to in a while, my good

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<v Speaker 2>pal Mike, and I want to talk to him because

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<v Speaker 2>you are a big time Steelers guy. I'm a big

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<v Speaker 2>time Pats guy. We've had our fun throughout the years together,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I. But you are so passionate about football,

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<v Speaker 2>so passionate about wagering. I thought you'd be a really

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<v Speaker 2>good person to talk about some of these And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously NFL free agency this year was fast and furious.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of movement. So before you even

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<v Speaker 2>get into the team win totals, what were some of

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<v Speaker 2>your major takeaways from free agency that you really felt

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<v Speaker 2>like a certain team really did change their stars, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>potentially in some of the moves that they made, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe move backwards in some of the players that they lost.

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<v Speaker 2>Because certainly the Raiders losing offensive linemen, the Titans losing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of pieces. There was a lot of teams

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of you feel like, I'm not sure where

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<v Speaker 2>they are right now. Maybe they can fill these holes

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<v Speaker 2>in the draft in a few weeks. But Mike, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of movement this offseason.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that's fair.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would say from a macro perspective, one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that people should, I think start to notice is there's

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<v Speaker 3>a trend occurring in the NFL regarding wide receivers. And

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<v Speaker 3>there was a thought process that there'd be a few

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<v Speaker 3>wide receivers that would go out there and get huge money,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was really only one guy. It was Kenny Galladay,

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<v Speaker 3>so Jesus muth Schuster, guys like Corey Davis. Other players

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps maybe got a little bit more, others got a

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<v Speaker 3>lot less.

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<v Speaker 4>Than we anticipated.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think because we are seeing an influx of huge,

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<v Speaker 3>well respect wide receiver classes in the draft, that NFL

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<v Speaker 3>free agency is not a golden ticket for wide receivers anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not begrudging the money that they make, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to sneeze at, but I think we're seeing where

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<v Speaker 3>the money is being spent on pass rushers. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the Titans in pud dupri and an offensive lineman. We

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<v Speaker 3>obviously had major transactions at the quarterback position that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't always see, but offensive linemen and pass rushers is

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<v Speaker 3>where the money was spent this year, not on wide

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<v Speaker 3>receivers or other skill positions. With a couple of notable exceptions,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly in New England.

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<v Speaker 2>And you could pay those new incoming wide receivers less

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<v Speaker 2>and get immediate productivity out of them. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what teams are seeing and the fascinating trend of these

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<v Speaker 2>young quarterbacks were coming in and starting right away. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you're paying them on that first deal still

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to some other teams, it allows you to

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<v Speaker 2>surround them with all this talent. And it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>surprise that you see the teams like Buffalo, like Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 2>These teams with the young quarterbacks that emerge right away

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<v Speaker 2>are the teams that are in the dance at the

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<v Speaker 2>end for the most part. Now you have the anomaly

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<v Speaker 2>with Brady this year, but for the most part, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the kind of the trend in the NFL how

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<v Speaker 2>you structurally spend your money. And I think you're one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent right that wide receiver back to back classes

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<v Speaker 2>coming into this league and the ones that came in

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<v Speaker 2>last year, they're ready to play, ready to contribute from

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<v Speaker 2>day one, and why wouldn't you want to go with

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<v Speaker 2>those guys as opposed to overpaying somebody who's been in

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<v Speaker 2>the league four or five years and the tread that

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<v Speaker 2>they have on their tires and obviously the money it

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<v Speaker 2>takes up in the cap. That being said, you also

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<v Speaker 2>touched on changes a quarterback. And let's start with our

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<v Speaker 2>overunders here because over on bettingpros dot com we have

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<v Speaker 2>our consensus wagering. So basically it takes all the different

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<v Speaker 2>houses for all the different wagering you can make everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and it condenses them down where you get kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the consensus picks. And the consensus for the Indianapolis Coats

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<v Speaker 2>over under right now currently is sitting at ten. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the over under now. Last year this was an eleven

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<v Speaker 2>win team. Last year, this was a playoff team, like

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also a team now, and we have to

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<v Speaker 2>think about this in the big realm with the seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>game schedule too. These are all kind of different prototypes here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're kind of in uncharted territory here. The Colts added

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<v Speaker 2>Carson Wentz, and I think, personally, if you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>follow the path last year of taking the quarterback from

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<v Speaker 2>the bad offensive line and Philip Rivers to the good one.

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<v Speaker 2>As the season went on, he got more and more comfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>more and more confident, and all of a sudden, this

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<v Speaker 2>was a team that kind of took off towards the

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<v Speaker 2>end and almost upset Buffalo in Buffalo. I think Carson

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<v Speaker 2>Wentz coming back there with Frank Reich, with this good

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<v Speaker 2>offensive line. T Y Hilton came back in free agency too,

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<v Speaker 2>they have Jonathan Taylor. This is a really best case

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<v Speaker 2>scenario for Carson Wentz. To me, honestly, I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the over here on the ten and it's not because

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're a perfect team yet. I just feel

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<v Speaker 2>like this is a team that might even be better

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<v Speaker 2>with Carson Wentz than they were last year with Rivers.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do you see the Colts offseason and this

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<v Speaker 2>win total coming together?

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's everything you said is fair. And

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<v Speaker 3>what was unique about the Colts.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Particularly unique, But what was interesting about the Colts last

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<v Speaker 3>year is that I think anybody could sit there and

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<v Speaker 3>watch the Colts and say, you know what, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty well built football team. They have decent weapons,

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<v Speaker 3>They're built really well on both sides of the line.

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<v Speaker 3>They're very strong both front seven defensively and a very

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<v Speaker 3>strong offensive line. But none of us really felt like

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<v Speaker 3>they were going to threaten anyone. I was holding Colts

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<v Speaker 3>tickets last year to go over. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>an easy over based on what it was last year,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was holding Colts tickets to win the division

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<v Speaker 3>and that ended in cruel fashion in Week seventeen, with

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<v Speaker 3>the Titans hitting an upright and making the field goal

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<v Speaker 3>a rookie kicker of all things.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a cool way to lose that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think they're a very well built team. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Chris Ballard their GM has done a fantastic job

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<v Speaker 3>of building this the way up, all the way up

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<v Speaker 3>to where it is now.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>They've lost offensive lineman and Anthony Costanzo, their long time

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<v Speaker 3>left tackle, but they do pick at twenty one, they

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<v Speaker 3>could conceivably look for a replacement there, and I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought this was the only logical place really for

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<v Speaker 3>Wentz to go, and I think it is certainly his

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<v Speaker 3>best opportunity to reclaim what he looked like a few

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<v Speaker 3>years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Am I bullish about it?

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<v Speaker 3>That's maybe a stronger term, But I feel good about

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<v Speaker 3>him being there. I still think it's a well built team.

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<v Speaker 3>When I look at their schedule, I get a little scared,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no way I would bet the Colts under

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're too good of a team top to bottom,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think Frank Reich's a really good coach. I

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<v Speaker 3>think they can get there, and their favor to win

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<v Speaker 3>the division based on the win totals now, so I

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<v Speaker 3>think they can get there. It just worries me because

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<v Speaker 3>they have to play the NFC West and there's some

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<v Speaker 3>tougher opponents in there. But they also have two cupcakes

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<v Speaker 3>in their division, and the Texans and the Jaguars.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I keep coming back to leaning the over

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<v Speaker 2>as the cupcakes of the division, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>I think Houston's going to just be in chaos this year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard not to feel like that's the path that's going.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, this is why we're talking about these early

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<v Speaker 2>because sometimes some of these early lines are where you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get in before the draft has before things move,

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<v Speaker 2>if you like it. And maybe it's gonna move to

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<v Speaker 2>ten and a half possibly if they have a really

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<v Speaker 2>good draft and fill some other holes. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the Rams, another team that's brought in a change of quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's hard not to like the change of quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been the biggest Jared Goff guy. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people you know, kind of also roll

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<v Speaker 2>their eyes whenever you say Jared Goff. And on the inverse, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Matthew Stafford is one of the most underappreciated

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<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks in the NFL. He's been a really good quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>solid for a very long time in a situation it's

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<v Speaker 2>been really tough in Detroit. Now you drop him here

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<v Speaker 2>with McVeigh now, granted it's a new system for him

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<v Speaker 2>to learn and figure out. He's got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>talent around him. But the Rams right now are sitting

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<v Speaker 2>at a consensus on betting pros at ten and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year they were a ten win team, To me,

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<v Speaker 2>this feels about the same because I do anticipate a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of growing pains. I think when it's good,

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna look so good, and there'll be games where

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<v Speaker 2>they go up and down a little bit. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>the ten and a half with that half hook, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of lean away right now. I'm just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>staying away from this one. Is their opportunity. The Rams

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<v Speaker 2>in that competitive NFC West look like a team that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of is poised to maybe get back to that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of super Bowl level class team now that they

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<v Speaker 2>have somebody like Stafford at the helm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, best division football top to bottom. I think many

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<v Speaker 3>people would agree. You know what's funny, Joe, When whenever

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<v Speaker 3>there's a transaction of some sort in the NFL and

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<v Speaker 3>we go to Twitter to see what the reactions are.

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<v Speaker 3>There are times when you disagree with the consensus and

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<v Speaker 3>you start to question whether or not you've thought this through.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are other times when there are millions of

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<v Speaker 3>people saying.

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<v Speaker 4>That what's the big deal?

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<v Speaker 3>Stafford sucks just like golf sucks. And I know I'm

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<v Speaker 3>right because I disagree with them. Matt Stafford's a very

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<v Speaker 3>good quarterback, a very talented quarterback. I think he is

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<v Speaker 3>a really significant upgrade to Golf in terms of what

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<v Speaker 3>they can do long term. So I like the transaction,

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<v Speaker 3>and people get hung up on the draft picks, which

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<v Speaker 3>hit at a fifty percent rate a little bit too much.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they had to pay to get rid of

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<v Speaker 3>the contract, and they did it. They washed their hands

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<v Speaker 3>of it. The thing that worries you about the RAMS

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<v Speaker 3>is it's still a very competitive division. There's no easy

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<v Speaker 3>games in here. Kyler Murray is on the on the

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<v Speaker 3>come with the Niners, who aren't really who are picking third,

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<v Speaker 3>but everybody knows they're not that type of team. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not even a team that really slots into twelfth

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<v Speaker 3>in the draft where they were. They just had major

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<v Speaker 3>injuries obviously at the QB position and elsewhere. But what

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<v Speaker 3>concerns me about the Rams is the same thing that's

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<v Speaker 3>concerned me for the.

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<v Speaker 4>Last few years. They have no depth.

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<v Speaker 3>They are extremely top heavy, but.

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<v Speaker 2>That's they're top heavy in the cap too, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that you're paying Aaron Donald. You're paying those

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<v Speaker 2>guys so much that that's that's the problem. Is you

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<v Speaker 2>have elite level talent, but if they get hurt what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's the depth? Your one hundred percent correct. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I worry. That's why I stay away from the Rams.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike, Yeah, there's a stat that we often look at

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<v Speaker 3>when we're analyzing salary cap of the top six, what

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<v Speaker 3>are your top six players cost? And the Rams top

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<v Speaker 3>six players are more expensive than any top six on any.

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<v Speaker 4>Franchise in the league.

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<v Speaker 3>So even if Aaron Donald doesn't get hurt, I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>talking about depth through the organization. Jalen Ramsey, like, these

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<v Speaker 3>guys are getting huge money, and if anybody goes down.

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<v Speaker 4>They're in a tough spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though I think they're a very good team and

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<v Speaker 3>apples to apples, I think they can go over because

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<v Speaker 3>they're talented, it concerns me because of their lack of

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<v Speaker 3>depth as a team.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's talk about Tennessee's potential lack of depth too.

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<v Speaker 2>They brought in Dupree, as you mentioned earlier, which is

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<v Speaker 2>great because that's something they sorely needed someone to really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of put pressure on the quarterback. But they did

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<v Speaker 2>lose a lot of targets. I mean, you know, John Husmith,

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<v Speaker 2>Don Gory Davis gone. You know, the offense is still

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<v Speaker 2>going to funnel through Derek Henry. There's no doubt about that.

0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.360
<v Speaker 2>AJ Brown is a stud I think there's no more

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<v Speaker 2>questions about that. Tannehills played very well, but overall, Tennessee

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<v Speaker 2>I think is also a team that has some question

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<v Speaker 2>marks and maybe some depth issues as well. Their number

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<v Speaker 2>in the consensus betting pros is actually nine and a half.

0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Last year, this was eleven win team. Now I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of come back to that same thing as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of like the the fact that they're playing

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<v Speaker 2>in some a division where there's some soft wins in

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<v Speaker 2>there for them, where I think that maybe they can

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<v Speaker 2>get to the ten and then, you know, obviously that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm looking at. I don't know if they're eleven

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<v Speaker 2>win team necessarily, even with the extra game in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of lean towards the over here with the Titans,

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<v Speaker 2>because once again, the Titans know how to turn it on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Vrabel does a terrific job, But Mike is

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<v Speaker 2>there an argument to be made that the Titans window

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<v Speaker 2>closed a little bit at the end of last year

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<v Speaker 2>because this was quite a run two years in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>Can they continue to sustaining what they've done here? Because it's

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<v Speaker 2>been magical. But I don't know when does the Magic

0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:47.800
<v Speaker 2>City kind of run out of magic?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that's totally fair. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have a lot of faith in Mike Frable.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's a good, aggressive coach. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a relatively well coached team. But this team had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of issues last year, the defensive backfield, which has

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<v Speaker 3>been a struggle for them for the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 3>and part of that was their lack of pass rush overall.

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<v Speaker 3>It's why they went out and got bud Dupree, but

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<v Speaker 3>they paid a premium for bud Dupree was coming off

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<v Speaker 3>an ACL injury and also a player that the Steelers

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<v Speaker 3>felt comfortable letting walk because even though he was very

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<v Speaker 3>productive the last year and a half prior to the ACL,

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<v Speaker 3>the first three years of his career were not what

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<v Speaker 3>they had paid for in a first round pick. So

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<v Speaker 3>the Titans are sort of paying him to be what

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<v Speaker 3>he was for a year and a half right before

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<v Speaker 3>his injury, and I don't necessarily know that can have

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<v Speaker 3>the impact that they need him to have based on

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<v Speaker 3>that price tag. They've also, like you said, they lost

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<v Speaker 3>John who they lost Cory Davis they bring in Josh Reynolds,

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<v Speaker 3>who I think is kind of an underrated weapon.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's a very top heavy.

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<v Speaker 3>I keep using this term team in terms of touches, right,

0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.840
<v Speaker 3>this is an AJ Brown Derrick Henry team, a very

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<v Speaker 3>concentrated offense.

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<v Speaker 4>If you were so, I would have the Colts winning

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<v Speaker 4>this division. I had it last year and I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have the Colts winning that division again. Keep

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<v Speaker 3>in mind they also will be playing the NFC West,

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<v Speaker 3>so some tough games in there. This one's a little

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<v Speaker 3>closer for me. For the Titans to get to ten

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<v Speaker 3>a ten and seven season, we're gonna have to spend

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<v Speaker 3>some time getting used to this because I know it's

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<v Speaker 3>ten and seven a great record.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know Sam's like I think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the NFL is pretty good. I mean yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think anytime you win double digits, even with the

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<v Speaker 2>extra game in the NFL, you've done something.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's accomplished something, and I think that's the

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<v Speaker 3>type of team they are. I think they're pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they probably do get to ten and seven,

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<v Speaker 3>But when it comes to making a wager like that,

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<v Speaker 3>do I think they'll clear it easily? Eleven to twelve

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<v Speaker 3>win team. I don't see them as being that.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I think I have more confident

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<v Speaker 2>in the completeness of the Colts than I am in

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<v Speaker 2>the high end low end of the Tennessee Titans. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're in a weird spot, especially after last

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<v Speaker 2>year's disappointing playoff finish for them. The Saints another team too.

0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Nine is the number for them, no more Drew Brees.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously you knew this was going to take a hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year they were a twelve win team even with

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Brees on the shelf. The question is where do

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<v Speaker 2>we put the Saints now? This division is certainly more

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<v Speaker 2>intriguing too, because Tom Brady's coming back defending Super Bowl champion.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to the Patriots at a second in what

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<v Speaker 2>the aftermath now looks like for them in year two

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<v Speaker 2>without Brady. But now let's look at the aftermath without

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Brees as a nine win team, what they have

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<v Speaker 2>right now with Winston and Taysom Hill. Does this seem

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<v Speaker 2>about right? Like they're just basically a five hundred football team,

0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Because this was another team, a ton of veterans, a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of money invested in some older players, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to take I feel like, a year to reappropriate

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<v Speaker 2>everything before they can start to attack free agency the

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<v Speaker 2>way they want to and kind of rebuild this team

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. How do you feel about the Saints

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<v Speaker 2>roster right now in this number nine? Like, are we

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<v Speaker 2>underestimating Sean Payton and his brilliance?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so a little bit. I have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of faith in Sean Payton. I do think that while

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<v Speaker 3>they lost Trey Hendrickson and we knew that was potentially

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<v Speaker 3>a cap casualty for them, I think really where we

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<v Speaker 3>started see the differentiation for the Saints last year, even

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<v Speaker 3>though it was yet another disappointing season end is there

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<v Speaker 3>was a defensive football team, and a pretty impressive one.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that Saints are really well built top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that the quarterback play is certainly not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be at the level of a Drew Brees

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<v Speaker 3>regular season, But I don't think the quarterback play is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be such a significant, significant drop off.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>Taysom Hill is going to be handed the ball to

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<v Speaker 3>go out and start seventeen games.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>I never bought it either.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Jamis is coming in here at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jamis is their better option. Now, people listening to

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<v Speaker 3>this will say, well, it's not a very good option.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can't argue with you. He threw thirty interceptions

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<v Speaker 4>the last night he had a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, you know, look at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the year with Tampa two, where you know that's

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<v Speaker 2>the Bruce Arians way and when you keep pushing the

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<v Speaker 2>ball downfield, you're going to have those mistakes built in.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Brings started to throw some picks towards the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the y our eyes and go, h, this is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tough, but this is what Prasarrians wants to do.

0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.880
<v Speaker 3>And that Bucks team went seven and nine, Joe, they

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<v Speaker 3>weren't in a final twelve team base Jamis through thirty

0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:14.440
<v Speaker 3>interceptions and they went seven and nine. So I say

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<v Speaker 3>that to state that he's walking into a really good roster.

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<v Speaker 3>So even if Jamis was throwing more picks than Drew

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<v Speaker 3>Brees did, I still think you'd get to the point

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<v Speaker 3>with this team being very good top to bottom. I

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<v Speaker 3>would take the Saints over. That's me having faith in

0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Peyton and being able to figure out the offense. Get

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Thomas back. I think they can get it done.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll probably have more confident picks on this list, but

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<v Speaker 3>I feel pretty good about the Saints going over.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would lean towards the over as well

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<v Speaker 2>right now because.

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<v Speaker 4>Are the second best team in the division.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's why I keep coming back to it.

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.439
<v Speaker 2>I keep I come back to, you know, God forbid,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens to Brady, what happens to the Bucks then?

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<v Speaker 2>And then God forbid? Also, you know, you also look

0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.200
<v Speaker 2>at you know, you've got Matt Ryan in this division.

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<v Speaker 2>Still you got Carolina that's kind of you know, continuously

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<v Speaker 2>remaking itself a little bit here. And yeah, maybe they'll

0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.040
<v Speaker 2>be better year over year, both of those teams. But

0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.960
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, do they have the talent on

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<v Speaker 2>both sides of the ball that the Saints happened? And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe with the scheme and talent and coaching they can

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<v Speaker 2>get by. And I always come back to the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You either have the coach or you don't. NFL, you

0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:15.840
<v Speaker 2>can have all the players in the world. If you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the right systems, you don't have the right

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<v Speaker 2>game plan, You're gonna get schooled. It doesn't matter. Just

0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.920
<v Speaker 2>go ask Buffalo Bills fans, and you know what happened

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.199
<v Speaker 2>to them for Super bowls in a row. You always

0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.119
<v Speaker 2>had the better talent for the most part. Maybe that

0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.280
<v Speaker 2>last Cowboys team was better than them, but still, like

0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had better roster than the Washington team.

0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Then they have better roster than the Giants that they

0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.600
<v Speaker 2>had way more talent. But again, if it was about preparation,

0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.560
<v Speaker 2>it was about game plan. And I have faith in

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Payton just like I do in some of the

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<v Speaker 2>great other coaches. And he's a Hall of Fame coach.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, five or six coaches are huge difference makers,

0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:47.760
<v Speaker 3>and I think he's one of them.

0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, him, Andy Reid, Belichick's a couple of them. Speaking

0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 2>of Belichick, nine wins for the Pats, that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>consensus number is right now. Over under last year they

0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.520
<v Speaker 2>were a seven to win team, much to my chagrin,

0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.280
<v Speaker 2>exactly where I did not want them to be as

0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.320
<v Speaker 2>a fan. But look, they've brought back Cam Newton, they

0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:05.960
<v Speaker 2>have gone on a little bit of a spending spree

0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.840
<v Speaker 2>here when not one but two tight ends. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>still think John new Smith is that guy that they

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<v Speaker 2>really targeted to be the difference making guy for them,

0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.439
<v Speaker 2>and I love the talent of John new Smith and

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's certainly every reason to believe he can

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<v Speaker 2>be a playmaker for them. They still lack a little

0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.439
<v Speaker 2>bit of playmaking ability, which hopefully they'll make up four

0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.000
<v Speaker 2>in the draft. We'll see how that goes. They could

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<v Speaker 2>even potentially take a quarterback yere if somebody slips. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very possible. They're in a weird spot in this draft

0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.399
<v Speaker 2>where they could take advantage of a player that falls

0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.760
<v Speaker 2>a couple spots longer than they should. They went for Agalore,

0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.200
<v Speaker 2>they went for Kendrick Bourne, two receivers that have played

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<v Speaker 2>well but nobody expected them to and this is fascinating

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.560
<v Speaker 2>to see if they can get anything out of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But overall, I gotta tell you, I think the biggest

0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:48.439
<v Speaker 2>addition for the Pats is getting all those players back

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.480
<v Speaker 2>year over year that sat out. They had the most

0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.080
<v Speaker 2>players sit out for COVID last year. So for me,

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the nine wins, I look at this division,

0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I think Buffalo is still the class of it. Miami's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be tricky, but.

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<v Speaker 4>The rest of us know what their QB play is

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like this number feels about right to me on the nine.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's another one where I think I just stay

0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.880
<v Speaker 2>away from this nine with the Pats. Do you see

0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.320
<v Speaker 2>the bottoming out of Cam Newton here? Like or is

0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 2>this year two in the offense and all of a

0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.520
<v Speaker 2>sudden they blow this nine away and become an eleven

0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:20.359
<v Speaker 2>or twelve win team.

0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm with you, Joe.

0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.320
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm gonna stay away here, if only because

0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.800
<v Speaker 3>I misread the Patriots pretty badly last year. Then again,

0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.240
<v Speaker 3>they dealt with a lot right Cam Newton got sick

0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.440
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the year, they still won seven games.

0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:38.080
<v Speaker 3>I think what's interesting about their acquisitions this offseason is

0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.440
<v Speaker 3>some of them are a little head scratching. But at

0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 3>the same time, here's what I ultimately think. I think

0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.240
<v Speaker 3>these transactions can help them get back on the right

0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.679
<v Speaker 3>track for twenty twenty one, and I don't know that

0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.560
<v Speaker 3>any of it really impacts them long term. Towards the positive,

0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.440
<v Speaker 3>I think they see a little bump and the Pats

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.760
<v Speaker 3>get back to nine or ten wins. They're back in

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.600
<v Speaker 3>the playoffs, and fans are like hoping this momentum will

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.000
<v Speaker 3>keep rolling all the way through to twenty twenty two

0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 3>and beyond and that might not be the case. I

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.239
<v Speaker 3>think that could be the situation here. I think they

0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 3>get a nice little bump in twenty twenty one, people say, ah,

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.520
<v Speaker 3>we're back to normal, and then in twenty twenty two, well,

0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.640
<v Speaker 3>I still don't really know where a long term quarterback

0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.880
<v Speaker 3>is because Cam was fine, but not a pro bowler

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:22.800
<v Speaker 3>and we're happy to be in the playoffs. That's just

0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 3>not really the way the Patriots have been rolling for

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.240
<v Speaker 3>the last twenty years. So I think you're right in

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 3>this draft. I think they can wait for somebody to

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.760
<v Speaker 3>fall out of the top ten and then pounce. That's

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 3>really more the way that they do things as opposed

0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.159
<v Speaker 3>to giving up a ton of assets to move to

0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.640
<v Speaker 3>number four. In terms of their win total, I would

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.800
<v Speaker 3>lean towards the over, but I don't feel confident about

0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.200
<v Speaker 3>this at all because I think it could go sideways

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:45.560
<v Speaker 3>for them.

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.800
<v Speaker 2>It's very easy after last year to see it going sideways,

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:51.920
<v Speaker 2>especially with Cam Newton. So I'm gonna just stay away

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:53.760
<v Speaker 2>from this one. Let's talk and stay in this division

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.960
<v Speaker 2>with the Dolphins too. This is another nine win team. Now,

0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 2>they have a ton of draft picks, they have a

0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.800
<v Speaker 2>quarterback in progress, with two. He's got a ton of talent.

0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.119
<v Speaker 2>We've seen him in college, We've seen what he's capable of,

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.160
<v Speaker 2>but we also saw him struggle at the NFL level

0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.920
<v Speaker 2>last year at times, and I think you saw some good,

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.119
<v Speaker 2>little good moments there at times as well. So I

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.480
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say that Tua can't overcome this and

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 2>make this a ten win team if they do end

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.439
<v Speaker 2>up with a Kyle Pitts or somebody like that. I mean,

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.560
<v Speaker 2>they're in a position where they could really load up here.

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:21.639
<v Speaker 2>It's just whether or not you can get everything to

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 2>work together at once. And I think Flores has done

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:28.080
<v Speaker 2>a tremendous job of making them bringing credibility to the Dolphins,

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 2>which they've lacked, you know, in that Adam Gase era

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.160
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit. And it's nice to see the Dolphins

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of get back to that standard because they're historic

0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 2>NFL franchise. But that nine number, for you, this is

0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.119
<v Speaker 2>another tricky one, I think, where you know, free agent wise,

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know what kind of you know,

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 2>big moves besides Will Fuller on the offensive side that

0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 2>you can look to. But the draft, I feel like

0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 2>is going to tell the tale. Is this the number.

0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.359
<v Speaker 2>You want to get in now before they get Kyle

0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Pitts and somebody else, Like if they get Kyle Pitts

0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and Nase Harris or something like that. I feel like

0:22:58.359 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 2>this nine is going to go to a nine and

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.600
<v Speaker 2>a half or maybe even at ten because people are

0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna be very bullish about them. What are your thoughts

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 2>on the Dolphins. Is the time to get in or

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 2>is it stay away because it's still work in progress.

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 3>I think probably stay away. But I think you made

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.239
<v Speaker 3>a really good point there. This is the type of

0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 3>line that could be severely impacted, significantly impacted by the

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:18.520
<v Speaker 3>transactions that they make.

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.920
<v Speaker 4>Look they're at six, I'd be.

0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 3>Stunned if they don't end up with Pits or Jamar Chase,

0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.679
<v Speaker 3>So I think it's probably more likely chased in Pits

0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 3>to me. But we'll see how this draft plays out

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.680
<v Speaker 3>in the next couple of weeks. I do think that

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 3>this is a very well coached team. I think Flores

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.439
<v Speaker 3>is still being underrated with what he's been able to do.

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Along with Jim Chris Greer in a fairly short period

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.359
<v Speaker 3>of time, they're able to remake this franchise.

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 4>I like the way they are built.

0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 3>I think there's still a ways to go before they're

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.880
<v Speaker 3>consistently in front of the Patriots and competing with what

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 3>is now a very well respected Bills team. But I

0:23:57.720 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 3>would lean towards the over with Miami. I have faith

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.879
<v Speaker 3>and Flores. I think there's enough good pieces here. I

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 3>think they play solid d the Will Fuller thing, like

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 3>we're fantasy football players on this pod as well, and

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 3>they'll never be a year where somebody won't buy in

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 3>to will Fuller. So it's all about Will Fuller stayed

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.480
<v Speaker 3>healthy for seventeen games well, because he doesn't.

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Because he doesn't. He answered whatever he was taking last year,

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>they kept him on the field. Now he can't take it.

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:27.879
<v Speaker 4>So what are you gonna do?

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Now, Let's talk about the Arizona Cardinals. They just made

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 2>an acquisition, actually just yesterday, James Connor coming into the

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 2>fold to join Chase Edmonds. They also brought in aj

0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Green in the offseason. But you know, the Cardinals, everything

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 2>just hinges on the health of Kyler Murray and whether

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 2>or not Cliff Kingsbury can kind of get better a

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.240
<v Speaker 2>little bit with the play calling. I think there's still

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 2>some issues there on the defensive side of the football. Opportunistic.

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I would call this defense. They create turnovers very well.

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:55.640
<v Speaker 2>They're aggressive sometimes, but sometimes it costs them. Also, you've

0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 2>seen them blow games as well. What are your thoughts

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.440
<v Speaker 2>on this Cardinals number? Basically they're till you know, they're

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 2>a little less than a five hundred team. This is

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 2>the swing. Now it's very different. So you see the eight.

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Now that's not five hundred anymore. So we got to like,

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 2>we got to like reprogram our brains. Now there is

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 2>no five hundred. So what do you think they're gonna

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:15.959
<v Speaker 2>go here? With the seventeen game schedule? Do you think

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 2>they get to that nine or is the eight where

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.640
<v Speaker 2>you'd want to realistically kind of keep them.

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 3>I would say that they get to the nine, I

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 3>would pick them as an over. I don't think it's

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 3>a hard over necessarily, but I do pick them to

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 3>go over. The disturbing part about the Cardinals is what

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned. There are moments where we saw which is

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 3>ironic because Cliff Kingsbury is a very aggressive offensive coach

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 3>and there were times in game situations where he became

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 3>timid or conservative, which bugged me a lot and bugs

0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 3>me for their potential long term success because I think

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Kyler obviously being in place and acquiring weapons like DeAndre Hopkins,

0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 3>and some of the other things they've even done this

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 3>offseason which you mentioned, are interesting.

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.440
<v Speaker 4>But this was six and three team.

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Kyler got banged up and it started to slip slide away,

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 3>and they went two and five down the stretch, which

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.919
<v Speaker 3>is a horrible way to close out. I think people

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 3>will sometimes not realize that they were in six and

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.400
<v Speaker 3>three and in an unbelievable position based on the hail

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.959
<v Speaker 3>mary that was caught by DeAndre Hopkins. But nonetheless they

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 3>won that football game. So six and three is what

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to focus on. When Kyler was healthy, I

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 3>do think he's that much of a difference maker. They

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 3>continue to add pieces. You're right, the defense needs to

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 3>get better. I think Cliff needs to get better in

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 3>situational game calling, but I absolutely shade to the over

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 4>They regress at all.

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 3>The only issue for them is the things we've mentioned,

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 3>plus how competitive the division is. But you can't just

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 3>assume that somebody's going to dominate the division. They If

0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 3>they end up going five hundred to the division, that's

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 3>just fine.

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, especially because historically, you know, They've played some of

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.239
<v Speaker 2>their better football against the forty nine ers and some

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.200
<v Speaker 2>other division. They show up to play Seattle for the

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 2>most part, you know, I remember that's un they get

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 2>up for the big games. I think they got to

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 2>take care of more business and the teams they are

0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 2>supposed to beat sometimes, and that's comes. I think that

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>comes with maturity. And we'll see if that takes a

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 2>step forward.

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm with you.

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm a slight lean towards the over on the Cardinals

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 2>as well. The Washington football team got themselves a new quarterback,

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 2>a new old quarterback in Ryan Fitzpatrick. This was the

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 2>under five hundred team that went to the playoffs. And

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, for all the buzz everyone's talking about Hurts

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.160
<v Speaker 2>and the Eagles, for all the buzz on the Giants

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 2>signing Kenny Galladay and all that, I come back to defense,

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.479
<v Speaker 2>and I come back to you know, they had no

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:37.560
<v Speaker 2>quarterback play last year. I mean the quarterback play Alex

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Smith was admirable at times, but let's be honest, I

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>mean at times this was dreadful. So Ryan Fitzpatrick still capable.

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like this this eight is actually

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 2>not giving them enough credit and that's how good they

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>are defensively, and how much faith I have in Ron

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Rivera in what they're doing there. I think this is

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 2>an over and this is one of the few that

0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I kind of look at it and I go, you know what,

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the missing east was the quarterback. The missing piece was

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.919
<v Speaker 2>the leadership. And everybody loves Fitzpatrick. It seems like all

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 2>his teammates love him, and I think that's kind of

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>the thing you need right now. And it feels to

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 2>me like Washington is not getting the respect that they

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 2>deserve just because they didn't, you know, win in you

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>know a lot of games to win that division. And yeah,

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll see what the Cowboys are this year with Dak back.

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>But well, again, defensively, that team struggles mightily regardless. So

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I think Washington football team's kind of

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 2>getting them short end of the stick here.

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 3>What do you think fitz should just be selling T

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>shirts with his big face on it, with his huge

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 3>bushy beard with Yolo written across it, because that's.

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 4>That's the embodiment of Yolo.

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I'll grow my hair as long as I

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 3>want on my face and I'll just throw for four

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 3>hundred yards in a given game. We all know if

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Fits got seventeen starts, there's gonna be some clunkers in there.

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.959
<v Speaker 3>But we're gonna have a lot of fun watching him,

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 3>and I do. I'm with you on this one as well.

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 3>We're agreeing a lot here, and my only concern is that,

0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, Fitz have a really bad stretch and they

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 3>dump a couple of games that they're supposed to win.

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 3>But we're in a weak division where we still don't

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 3>even know what Daniel Jones and the Giants are going

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 3>to look like. Where Philly is admitting that they're in

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 3>a rebuild with Jalen Hurts, who's dynamic, but he can't

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 3>carry the team all by himself. Philly's got a ton

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 3>of holes, which I think is still underrated how much

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 3>they need to fix. But there was a moment last

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 3>year when this division where nobody wanted to win the

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 3>division and Washington got into a stretch, and I remember

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 3>saying on Sports Grid on various shows that the bet

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 3>right now is Washington And this is probably at a

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 3>time where they had two or three wins, but they

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 3>were heading into a stretch because everybody else in the

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 3>division couldn't do anything right. But Washington did one thing

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 3>right every game. They pressured the quarterback, and they were

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.479
<v Speaker 3>good in the front four especially and the front seven.

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>So and they started to run the football a little

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>well too, Gibbs It yeah, kiss. They had that intermediate

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 2>short game kind of going for them where they can

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>move the ball a little at a time to eat

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 2>clock and play defense. And that plays in December, and

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 2>it plays.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 3>In Jesus too, and Joe, you and I would sit

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 3>here and say that they didn't even really utilize Terry

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 3>McLaurin the way that any of us would want them to,

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 3>and they still won the division. So imagine when he

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 3>gets unlocked a little bit and they start utilizing some

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 3>of these other pieces. Antonio Gibson obviously was great.

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>And Kurtis Samuels now in the fold two there, which

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>is a really interesting piece of very loll I like it.

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 2>I could do a lot of things with.

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 4>I like it. I would never bet them under.

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 3>I do think that there's still an opportunity for Washington

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 3>to grab a long term piece at quarterback, but I

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 3>think Fitz gets the.

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Start to begin the year.

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Now we talk about the Giants in that same division,

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Their numbers at seven now. They did sign Kenny Golladay.

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>This is the make or break year for Daniel Jones,

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>and it really hinges so much on Saquon Barkley because

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 2>when Barkley's in the lineup, you see Daniel Jones's numbers

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 2>are completely different. And that's understandable. He is the you know,

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>possibly one of the best running backs in football. But

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the problem is he hasn't been on the field much

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 2>in the last two years, and that's a distinct problem.

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 2>So you're betting on health here, and on top of which,

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you're betting on whether or not Daniel Jones can cure

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the ills of the turnovers that have plagued him throughout

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>his career. This number is at seven right now. They

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>were a six win team last year. To me, this

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>is a stay away because I don't think any of

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>us know the answer, and I don't see anything that's

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>leading me towards feeling really strong that it's going to

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 2>be better. And every NFL team will find a couple

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>of those, you know, wins that nobody thought they would win,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>and this kind of puts them around seven. I mean,

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 2>this feels like a seven to ten team to me,

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 2>which again, like you said before, we got to get

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>used to saying these things. That's kind of what it

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>feels like. It feels like a team that's a little

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 2>under five hundred is going to get beat up a

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>little bit outside, you know, when they start to play

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>other teams that are better than them outside of their division.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I think that's fair. We have to give Joe Judge

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 3>some amount of credit. Right, this is an Owen Sure team.

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>They rally the truth, They competed, no doubt.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 3>You're right, Mike, Especially towards the end of the year,

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 3>there was a lot of thought that, hey, the Giants

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 3>could steal this division. Right down to the last two weeks,

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 3>we thought the Giants had an opportunity to win the division.

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 4>You're right on everything, he said.

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Say, Quan's got to be somebody that we expect to

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 3>be the superstar that he was.

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 4>Drafted to be.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Daniel Jones has got to be a little better at

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:27.560
<v Speaker 3>making decisions. And I do give Joe Judge credit, and

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 3>I have faith in him to get the team pointed

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 3>in the right direction. But do I have faith in

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 3>the roster top to bottom?

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 4>Not really.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>James Bradbury was really expensive for them, and he played

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 3>really well. I have to give as much as people

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 3>want to crap on Gettleman, you have to give him

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 3>credit for some.

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Of the wins.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 3>The Leonard Williams trade looks good. The James Bradbury signing

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 3>looks good. Right now, those are very expensive players. Perhaps

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 3>they're not worth their dollar amount, but they're capable and

0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 3>productive and they're moving forward. The Giants' issues for the

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 3>last couple of years have a lot of times been

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 3>related to the offensive line. So there's no Nate Solder,

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Kevin Zeidler, all these pieces moving in and moving out,

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 3>and then they draft Andrew Thomas, who didn't necessarily play

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 3>like a number fourth overall pick. I think you still

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 3>got some question marks there. It's not a team. I

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 3>can have a lot of faith in you.

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>It's tough to invest. It feels like that's that's what

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>you and I are trying to say. It's not a

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 2>good investment right now. That number and where they are.

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 4>I think, I think there's plenty of teams.

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 3>By the way that we've said during the course of

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 3>his last type finance, i'd stay away, and some of

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 3>you listening maybe saying, well, these guys aren't giving me

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 3>any advice.

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:40.959
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that is the advice.

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:45.479
<v Speaker 3>Wait wait, wait, wait, wait until the draft happens, right,

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 3>wait and see if somebody tears an ACL. There's plenty

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 3>of bets on totals that can be placed in August

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 3>where you're taking a strong position, you have all the information,

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 3>you feel good about the coaching staff, and you can

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 3>move forward. I wait often, I'll wait. There's a certain

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.720
<v Speaker 3>numbers last year, and last.

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 4>Year was obviously a very funky situation. Well, they didn't

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 4>lockdown and everything else. We didn't know if we're going

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 4>to play. But there was a couple of numbers that

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 4>I grabbed.

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Really early, the Bills that once the Jets started making trades,

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 3>the power.

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Was really early. That those are so low.

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I just thought the Colts and that and

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 3>the Bills were the easiest overs on the board, and

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 3>the Jets were a hard under, as were the Bengals.

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 3>So those are the ones I took early. A couple

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 3>of others I just waited until the last minute.

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think what we're getting at here is telling

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 2>you you know, how to react or not react or

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 2>not overreact to free agency. We got one more team

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 2>to do, but we're pretty clear here you know, the

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Colts looked like a good over. Uh you know the

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 2>situations with the Saints where Mike brings up a lot

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 2>of good points about coaching, and maybe that nine is

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.240
<v Speaker 2>a little low right now. The Dolphins. If you don't

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>like the nine and it gets to nine and a

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 2>half or ten after the draft because there's so much buzz,

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's when you bet the under with this team.

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>You let it go up a little bit and then

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 2>go under it. And we give you the Cardinal too,

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 2>which is a team we think could be over that

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>eight as well because of the kind of talent that

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.319
<v Speaker 2>they have, as well as Washington. So there's one more here,

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 2>which is the Panthers at seven and a half. They've

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>got a quarterback they've brought in from New York, Sam

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Darnald and Teddy Bridgewater and looks like he's moving to

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 2>the back burner for now. Theoretically, get Christian McCaffrey back.

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>This team won five games last year. The play calling

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 2>was great, The defense was very young. They spent all

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.359
<v Speaker 2>their draft picks the previous season on defense, and I'll

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 2>tell you what that defense did play better as the

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>year went on. You can see early on they were

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>very green, but they have a lot of team speed

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 2>on defense, and this is a defense that I think

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>is going to get better as they go and start

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>to play together year over year. The Panthers, though this

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 2>is a tricky one seven and a half, it's actually

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>higher than I thought it was going to be already.

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Is this the time to get in on it now?

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>And are you buying the idea of just getting Sam

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Darnold away from Adam Gase. I'm not saying he's going

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 2>to be Ryan Tannehill, but my goodness, you're giving him

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Anderson more and CMC that's a pretty good situation.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 4>Agreed.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 3>So I'll say in general, I think everything the Panthers

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 3>have done.

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 4>The last couple of years.

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 3>They got new ownership, they brought in new coaching staff,

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 3>new GM. I've liked the way that they've built from

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 3>the second David Tepper took over as owner until now,

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 3>including decisions like let's try Teddy Bridgewater. Okay, it didn't

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 3>work out the way we wanted, We're going to try

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 3>another option. I think these are okay as you're building

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 3>an organization to try things like this, especially in what

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 3>when they were caught in the place that they were

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 3>in the draft. They couldn't trade up to four, and

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they want to trade up to four.

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 4>Maybe they liked the first three guys and not the

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 4>other two that much.

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 2>In the things, that seems like that's the case. They

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>liked the three and then after that they didn't want

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 2>to take on the Lance Project or mac Jones.

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 4>That's right what they did. That's right, So which is great,

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.439
<v Speaker 4>Just go ahead and do that.

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't necessarily mean that the twenty twenty two quarterback

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 3>draft class is going to suck compared to twenty twenty one.

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 3>It's people get really worked up over that, and they

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.919
<v Speaker 3>don't frankly, have any idea what the twenty twenty two

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 3>class is going to look like twelve months from now.

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 3>But what I would say, in general from a betting standpoint,

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 3>the number that you can look at with the Panthers

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 3>is they've lost seven or eight games by one score, right,

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 3>just doing the math, that is likely to have some

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 3>positive regression to get them to where you need to be.

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Now you are you rightly stated the number is probably

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 3>a little higher than I would have suspected. But I

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 3>like Darnold coming in with the fact that even if

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 3>they just get to back to five hundred with those

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.480
<v Speaker 3>one score games you can get to. The number doesn't

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:41.360
<v Speaker 3>mean they have to win eleven. You're just trying to

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 3>get them to eight or nine, to a point where

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.120
<v Speaker 3>you're comfortable. Now, can this number move around, move down

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 3>a little bit?

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Maybe?

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 3>I just think that the Panthers number is going to

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 3>become more bullish and less and I think this is

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 3>the number of all the ones that we've talked to,

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 3>has an opportunity to move up as we start to

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:03.200
<v Speaker 3>get potential positive news about Donald and other weapons that

0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:04.720
<v Speaker 3>they may have added through the draft.

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.800
<v Speaker 4>So I think it's an over if for no other.

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Reason, just based on the mat that they lost so

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 3>many one score games.

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you. I have a lot of faith

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 2>in that rule and Joe Brady's play calling, and I

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.319
<v Speaker 2>think even if it doesn't look good in the September,

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gonna look better as time goes on.

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>And if Sam Donald can't succeed here in this situation,

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:26.319
<v Speaker 2>then I think then they'll move on again next year

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and find somebody else. But I think it's worth the

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 2>shot because I don't think Sam Donald ever got himself

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 2>into a fair situation there and getting out of New

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 2>York and away from Adam Gase and all that is

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.720
<v Speaker 2>the best thing you could possibly ask for. So those

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:41.919
<v Speaker 2>are our ten teams that are most effective potentially by

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 2>NFL free agency in terms of win loss totals. And

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>again you go to betting pros to get all that

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 2>information that can census over unders on all the teams. Mike,

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>tell everybody where they can find you on the Twitter machine,

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 2>and of course where all your shows are on Sports Great.

0:38:54.560 --> 0:39:00.360
<v Speaker 3>Sure at Mike Blewett, nothing fancy about that. Blitt Football

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 3>full Circle. I'll be hosting draft shows and I'm on

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 3>every Sunday live on Sports Grid during the football season,

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Pro Football Today and College Football Today.

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 2>There you have it, Mike. It's so good to talk

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 2>football with you, just like the time flies. Man, it's

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I missed this. Mike and I do this every Sunday

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>from the Metlands together doing pre show and hopefully this

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 2>year on Sportscrew we'll get to do a little bit

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 2>more stuff together hopefully come NFL season. But catch Mike

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and the crew. They do a great job and they

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 2>got that live stream coming up for the draft as well.

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Mike thank you for your time, your knowledge, buddy, and

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 2>again just great to have you on the show. That'll

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 2>do it for us here, but the story of the

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>game goes on. I'm Joe Piezapia. We'll see you next time. Kids,