1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: It's time to place your bets. Let's talk to the pros. 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody to betting pros. I'm your host, Joe 3 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Piza Pierre. We got a great show for you today. 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking a little NFL futures, some team 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: win totals, a little overs, a little unders post free agency, 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: with the draft looming just a few weeks away now, 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: which is very exciting stuff. It might be some opportunities 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: here depending on which teams we think might be more 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: fully formed than others or have made some really interesting 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: offseason moves to talk about where some of those stand. 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: And we've got our top ten favorite ones to discuss here, 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: which teams that free agency really did impact in terms 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: of their twenty twenty one win totals. And one of 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: my favorite people to talk football with is one of 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: my old pals from Sports Grid, one of my TV brothers. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: You know him from Sports Grid all the time, hosting 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: so many shows there. He does such fantasic work. You 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: know him from Football Full Circle, from In Game Live, 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: from Pro Football Today, he hosts college football there. He's 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: so versatile and that's why I love him. He's also 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: a handsome devil, and that's why you watch us over 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: on the YouTube channel as well for Betting Pros. He's 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: Mike Blewett. Mike, Welcome to the program, my friend. How 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: are you today? 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy, fired up, I'm ready to talk to some 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: win totals. Obviously, a lot going on in the football world, 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: as there always is, and I'm excited to be on 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,279 Speaker 3: this pod with you. It's our first time working together 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: in quite a while. 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: I know, and that's just that's a shame. It's terrible. 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: I hate that. But that's why I said. You know 32 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: why I've been talked to in a while, my good 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: pal Mike, and I want to talk to him because 34 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: you are a big time Steelers guy. I'm a big 35 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: time Pats guy. We've had our fun throughout the years together, 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: you and I. But you are so passionate about football, 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: so passionate about wagering. I thought you'd be a really 38 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: good person to talk about some of these And you know, 39 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: obviously NFL free agency this year was fast and furious. 40 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: There was a lot of movement. So before you even 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: get into the team win totals, what were some of 42 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: your major takeaways from free agency that you really felt 43 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: like a certain team really did change their stars, maybe 44 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: potentially in some of the moves that they made, or 45 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: maybe move backwards in some of the players that they lost. 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: Because certainly the Raiders losing offensive linemen, the Titans losing 47 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 2: a lot of pieces. There was a lot of teams 48 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: that kind of you feel like, I'm not sure where 49 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: they are right now. Maybe they can fill these holes 50 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: in the draft in a few weeks. But Mike, it 51 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: was a lot of movement this offseason. 52 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair. 53 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: And I would say from a macro perspective, one thing 54 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: that people should, I think start to notice is there's 55 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: a trend occurring in the NFL regarding wide receivers. And 56 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: there was a thought process that there'd be a few 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: wide receivers that would go out there and get huge money, 58 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: and it was really only one guy. It was Kenny Galladay, 59 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: so Jesus muth Schuster, guys like Corey Davis. Other players 60 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: perhaps maybe got a little bit more, others got a 61 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: lot less. 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 4: Than we anticipated. 63 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 3: And I think because we are seeing an influx of huge, 64 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: well respect wide receiver classes in the draft, that NFL 65 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: free agency is not a golden ticket for wide receivers anymore. 66 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 3: I'm not begrudging the money that they make, and it's 67 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 3: nothing to sneeze at, but I think we're seeing where 68 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: the money is being spent on pass rushers. You mentioned 69 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: the Titans in pud dupri and an offensive lineman. We 70 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: obviously had major transactions at the quarterback position that we 71 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 3: don't always see, but offensive linemen and pass rushers is 72 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: where the money was spent this year, not on wide 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: receivers or other skill positions. With a couple of notable exceptions, 74 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: particularly in New England. 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: And you could pay those new incoming wide receivers less 76 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: and get immediate productivity out of them. I think that's 77 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: what teams are seeing and the fascinating trend of these 78 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: young quarterbacks were coming in and starting right away. The 79 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: fact that you're paying them on that first deal still 80 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: as opposed to some other teams, it allows you to 81 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: surround them with all this talent. And it's not a 82 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: surprise that you see the teams like Buffalo, like Kansas City. 83 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: These teams with the young quarterbacks that emerge right away 84 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: are the teams that are in the dance at the 85 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: end for the most part. Now you have the anomaly 86 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: with Brady this year, but for the most part, this 87 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: is the kind of the trend in the NFL how 88 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: you structurally spend your money. And I think you're one 89 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: hundred percent right that wide receiver back to back classes 90 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: coming into this league and the ones that came in 91 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: last year, they're ready to play, ready to contribute from 92 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: day one, and why wouldn't you want to go with 93 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: those guys as opposed to overpaying somebody who's been in 94 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: the league four or five years and the tread that 95 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: they have on their tires and obviously the money it 96 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: takes up in the cap. That being said, you also 97 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: touched on changes a quarterback. And let's start with our 98 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: overunders here because over on bettingpros dot com we have 99 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: our consensus wagering. So basically it takes all the different 100 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: houses for all the different wagering you can make everywhere, 101 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: and it condenses them down where you get kind of 102 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: the consensus picks. And the consensus for the Indianapolis Coats 103 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: over under right now currently is sitting at ten. That's 104 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: the over under now. Last year this was an eleven 105 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: win team. Last year, this was a playoff team, like 106 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: but it's also a team now, and we have to 107 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: think about this in the big realm with the seventeen 108 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: game schedule too. These are all kind of different prototypes here. 109 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: We're kind of in uncharted territory here. The Colts added 110 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: Carson Wentz, and I think, personally, if you kind of 111 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: follow the path last year of taking the quarterback from 112 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: the bad offensive line and Philip Rivers to the good one. 113 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: As the season went on, he got more and more comfortable, 114 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: more and more confident, and all of a sudden, this 115 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: was a team that kind of took off towards the 116 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: end and almost upset Buffalo in Buffalo. I think Carson 117 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: Wentz coming back there with Frank Reich, with this good 118 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: offensive line. T Y Hilton came back in free agency too, 119 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: they have Jonathan Taylor. This is a really best case 120 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: scenario for Carson Wentz. To me, honestly, I'm looking at 121 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: the over here on the ten and it's not because 122 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: I think they're a perfect team yet. I just feel 123 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: like this is a team that might even be better 124 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: with Carson Wentz than they were last year with Rivers. 125 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: But how do you see the Colts offseason and this 126 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: win total coming together? 127 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: So I think that's everything you said is fair. And 128 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 3: what was unique about the Colts. 129 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was. 130 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: Particularly unique, But what was interesting about the Colts last 131 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: year is that I think anybody could sit there and 132 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: watch the Colts and say, you know what, this is 133 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 3: a pretty well built football team. They have decent weapons, 134 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 3: They're built really well on both sides of the line. 135 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: They're very strong both front seven defensively and a very 136 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: strong offensive line. But none of us really felt like 137 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 3: they were going to threaten anyone. I was holding Colts 138 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: tickets last year to go over. I thought that was 139 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: an easy over based on what it was last year, 140 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: and I was holding Colts tickets to win the division 141 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: and that ended in cruel fashion in Week seventeen, with 142 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: the Titans hitting an upright and making the field goal 143 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 3: a rookie kicker of all things. 144 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: It was a cool way to lose that. 145 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 3: But I think they're a very well built team. I 146 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: think Chris Ballard their GM has done a fantastic job 147 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: of building this the way up, all the way up 148 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: to where it is now. 149 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: Now. 150 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: They've lost offensive lineman and Anthony Costanzo, their long time 151 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 3: left tackle, but they do pick at twenty one, they 152 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: could conceivably look for a replacement there, and I'm with you. 153 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: I thought this was the only logical place really for 154 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: Wentz to go, and I think it is certainly his 155 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: best opportunity to reclaim what he looked like a few 156 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: years ago. 157 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 4: Am I bullish about it? 158 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: That's maybe a stronger term, But I feel good about 159 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: him being there. I still think it's a well built team. 160 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: When I look at their schedule, I get a little scared, 161 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: but there's no way I would bet the Colts under 162 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: I think they're too good of a team top to bottom, 163 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: and I think Frank Reich's a really good coach. I 164 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: think they can get there, and their favor to win 165 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: the division based on the win totals now, so I 166 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: think they can get there. It just worries me because 167 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: they have to play the NFC West and there's some 168 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: tougher opponents in there. But they also have two cupcakes 169 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: in their division, and the Texans and the Jaguars. 170 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: That's why I keep coming back to leaning the over 171 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: as the cupcakes of the division, and I think that's 172 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: I think Houston's going to just be in chaos this year. 173 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: It's hard not to feel like that's the path that's going. 174 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 2: And look, this is why we're talking about these early 175 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: because sometimes some of these early lines are where you 176 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: want to get in before the draft has before things move, 177 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: if you like it. And maybe it's gonna move to 178 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: ten and a half possibly if they have a really 179 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: good draft and fill some other holes. Let's talk about 180 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: the Rams, another team that's brought in a change of quarterback, 181 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: and it's hard not to like the change of quarterback. 182 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: I've never been the biggest Jared Goff guy. I think 183 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people you know, kind of also roll 184 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: their eyes whenever you say Jared Goff. And on the inverse, Mike, 185 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: I think Matthew Stafford is one of the most underappreciated 186 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the NFL. He's been a really good quarterback, 187 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: solid for a very long time in a situation it's 188 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: been really tough in Detroit. Now you drop him here 189 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: with McVeigh now, granted it's a new system for him 190 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: to learn and figure out. He's got a lot of 191 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: talent around him. But the Rams right now are sitting 192 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: at a consensus on betting pros at ten and a half. 193 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: Last year they were a ten win team, To me, 194 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: this feels about the same because I do anticipate a 195 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: little bit of growing pains. I think when it's good, 196 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: they're gonna look so good, and there'll be games where 197 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: they go up and down a little bit. To me, 198 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: the ten and a half with that half hook, I 199 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: kind of lean away right now. I'm just kind of 200 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: staying away from this one. Is their opportunity. The Rams 201 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: in that competitive NFC West look like a team that 202 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: kind of is poised to maybe get back to that 203 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: kind of super Bowl level class team now that they 204 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: have somebody like Stafford at the helm. 205 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, best division football top to bottom. I think many 206 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: people would agree. You know what's funny, Joe, When whenever 207 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: there's a transaction of some sort in the NFL and 208 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: we go to Twitter to see what the reactions are. 209 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 3: There are times when you disagree with the consensus and 210 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 3: you start to question whether or not you've thought this through. 211 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: And there are other times when there are millions of 212 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: people saying. 213 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 4: That what's the big deal? 214 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: Stafford sucks just like golf sucks. And I know I'm 215 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 3: right because I disagree with them. Matt Stafford's a very 216 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: good quarterback, a very talented quarterback. I think he is 217 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: a really significant upgrade to Golf in terms of what 218 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: they can do long term. So I like the transaction, 219 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: and people get hung up on the draft picks, which 220 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: hit at a fifty percent rate a little bit too much. 221 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: I think they had to pay to get rid of 222 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: the contract, and they did it. They washed their hands 223 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: of it. The thing that worries you about the RAMS 224 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: is it's still a very competitive division. There's no easy 225 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: games in here. Kyler Murray is on the on the 226 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: come with the Niners, who aren't really who are picking third, 227 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 3: but everybody knows they're not that type of team. In fact, 228 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: they're not even a team that really slots into twelfth 229 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: in the draft where they were. They just had major 230 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: injuries obviously at the QB position and elsewhere. But what 231 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: concerns me about the Rams is the same thing that's 232 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: concerned me for the. 233 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: Last few years. They have no depth. 234 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 3: They are extremely top heavy, but. 235 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: That's they're top heavy in the cap too, and that's 236 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: the thing that you're paying Aaron Donald. You're paying those 237 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: guys so much that that's that's the problem. Is you 238 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: have elite level talent, but if they get hurt what happens. 239 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: Where's the depth? Your one hundred percent correct. That's why 240 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: I worry. That's why I stay away from the Rams. 241 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 3: Mike, Yeah, there's a stat that we often look at 242 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: when we're analyzing salary cap of the top six, what 243 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: are your top six players cost? And the Rams top 244 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: six players are more expensive than any top six on any. 245 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: Franchise in the league. 246 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: So even if Aaron Donald doesn't get hurt, I'm just 247 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: talking about depth through the organization. Jalen Ramsey, like, these 248 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: guys are getting huge money, and if anybody goes down. 249 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: They're in a tough spot. 250 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 3: Even though I think they're a very good team and 251 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: apples to apples, I think they can go over because 252 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 3: they're talented, it concerns me because of their lack of 253 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: depth as a team. 254 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Tennessee's potential lack of depth too. 255 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: They brought in Dupree, as you mentioned earlier, which is 256 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: great because that's something they sorely needed someone to really 257 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: kind of put pressure on the quarterback. But they did 258 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: lose a lot of targets. I mean, you know, John Husmith, 259 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 2: Don Gory Davis gone. You know, the offense is still 260 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: going to funnel through Derek Henry. There's no doubt about that. 261 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: AJ Brown is a stud I think there's no more 262 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: questions about that. Tannehills played very well, but overall, Tennessee 263 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: I think is also a team that has some question 264 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: marks and maybe some depth issues as well. Their number 265 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: in the consensus betting pros is actually nine and a half. 266 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: Last year, this was eleven win team. Now I kind 267 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: of come back to that same thing as well. You know, 268 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: I kind of like the the fact that they're playing 269 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: in some a division where there's some soft wins in 270 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: there for them, where I think that maybe they can 271 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: get to the ten and then, you know, obviously that's 272 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: what I'm looking at. I don't know if they're eleven 273 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: win team necessarily, even with the extra game in there. 274 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: I kind of lean towards the over here with the Titans, 275 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: because once again, the Titans know how to turn it on. 276 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: I think Vrabel does a terrific job, But Mike is 277 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: there an argument to be made that the Titans window 278 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: closed a little bit at the end of last year 279 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: because this was quite a run two years in a row. 280 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: Can they continue to sustaining what they've done here? Because it's 281 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: been magical. But I don't know when does the Magic 282 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: City kind of run out of magic? 283 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's totally fair. Now. 284 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: I do have a lot of faith in Mike Frable. 285 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: I think he's a good, aggressive coach. I think it's 286 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: a relatively well coached team. But this team had a 287 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: lot of issues last year, the defensive backfield, which has 288 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: been a struggle for them for the last couple of years, 289 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 3: and part of that was their lack of pass rush overall. 290 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: It's why they went out and got bud Dupree, but 291 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: they paid a premium for bud Dupree was coming off 292 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: an ACL injury and also a player that the Steelers 293 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: felt comfortable letting walk because even though he was very 294 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: productive the last year and a half prior to the ACL, 295 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: the first three years of his career were not what 296 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: they had paid for in a first round pick. So 297 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: the Titans are sort of paying him to be what 298 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 3: he was for a year and a half right before 299 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: his injury, and I don't necessarily know that can have 300 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: the impact that they need him to have based on 301 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: that price tag. They've also, like you said, they lost 302 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: John who they lost Cory Davis they bring in Josh Reynolds, 303 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: who I think is kind of an underrated weapon. 304 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 4: But it's a very top heavy. 305 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: I keep using this term team in terms of touches, right, 306 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: this is an AJ Brown Derrick Henry team, a very 307 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: concentrated offense. 308 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: If you were so, I would have the Colts winning 309 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: this division. I had it last year and I was wrong. 310 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: I would have the Colts winning that division again. Keep 311 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 3: in mind they also will be playing the NFC West, 312 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: so some tough games in there. This one's a little 313 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: closer for me. For the Titans to get to ten 314 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: a ten and seven season, we're gonna have to spend 315 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: some time getting used to this because I know it's 316 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: ten and seven a great record. 317 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: I don't know Sam's like I think it is. 318 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: I think the NFL is pretty good. I mean yeah, 319 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: I think anytime you win double digits, even with the 320 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: extra game in the NFL, you've done something. 321 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: I think he's accomplished something, and I think that's the 322 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: type of team they are. I think they're pretty good. 323 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 3: I think they probably do get to ten and seven, 324 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: But when it comes to making a wager like that, 325 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: do I think they'll clear it easily? Eleven to twelve 326 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: win team. I don't see them as being that. 327 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think I have more confident 328 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: in the completeness of the Colts than I am in 329 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: the high end low end of the Tennessee Titans. Right now, 330 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: I think they're in a weird spot, especially after last 331 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: year's disappointing playoff finish for them. The Saints another team too. 332 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: Nine is the number for them, no more Drew Brees. 333 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: So obviously you knew this was going to take a hit. 334 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: Last year they were a twelve win team even with 335 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: Drew Brees on the shelf. The question is where do 336 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: we put the Saints now? This division is certainly more 337 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: intriguing too, because Tom Brady's coming back defending Super Bowl champion. 338 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: We'll get to the Patriots at a second in what 339 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: the aftermath now looks like for them in year two 340 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: without Brady. But now let's look at the aftermath without 341 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: Drew Brees as a nine win team, what they have 342 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: right now with Winston and Taysom Hill. Does this seem 343 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: about right? Like they're just basically a five hundred football team, 344 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: Because this was another team, a ton of veterans, a 345 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: ton of money invested in some older players, and it's 346 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: going to take I feel like, a year to reappropriate 347 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: everything before they can start to attack free agency the 348 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: way they want to and kind of rebuild this team 349 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: a little bit. How do you feel about the Saints 350 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: roster right now in this number nine? Like, are we 351 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: underestimating Sean Payton and his brilliance? 352 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: I think so a little bit. I have a lot 353 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: of faith in Sean Payton. I do think that while 354 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: they lost Trey Hendrickson and we knew that was potentially 355 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: a cap casualty for them, I think really where we 356 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: started see the differentiation for the Saints last year, even 357 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: though it was yet another disappointing season end is there 358 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: was a defensive football team, and a pretty impressive one. 359 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: I think that Saints are really well built top to bottom. 360 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: I don't think that the quarterback play is certainly not 361 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: going to be at the level of a Drew Brees 362 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 3: regular season, But I don't think the quarterback play is 363 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: going to be such a significant, significant drop off. 364 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: I don't think. 365 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: Taysom Hill is going to be handed the ball to 366 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: go out and start seventeen games. 367 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 4: I don't buy it. 368 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: I never bought it either. 369 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: I think Jamis is coming in here at some point, 370 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: and Jamis is their better option. Now, people listening to 371 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: this will say, well, it's not a very good option. 372 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 4: And I can't argue with you. He threw thirty interceptions 373 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 4: the last night he had a chance. 374 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: But you know what, you know, look at the end 375 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: of the year with Tampa two, where you know that's 376 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: the Bruce Arians way and when you keep pushing the 377 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: ball downfield, you're going to have those mistakes built in. 378 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: Even Brings started to throw some picks towards the end 379 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: of the y our eyes and go, h, this is 380 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: kind of tough, but this is what Prasarrians wants to do. 381 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 3: And that Bucks team went seven and nine, Joe, they 382 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: weren't in a final twelve team base Jamis through thirty 383 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 3: interceptions and they went seven and nine. So I say 384 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: that to state that he's walking into a really good roster. 385 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: So even if Jamis was throwing more picks than Drew 386 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: Brees did, I still think you'd get to the point 387 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: with this team being very good top to bottom. I 388 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: would take the Saints over. That's me having faith in 389 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: Peyton and being able to figure out the offense. Get 390 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: Michael Thomas back. I think they can get it done. 391 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 3: I'll probably have more confident picks on this list, but 392 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: I feel pretty good about the Saints going over. 393 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: I think I would lean towards the over as well 394 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 2: right now because. 395 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: Are the second best team in the division. 396 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's why I keep coming back to it. 397 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: I keep I come back to, you know, God forbid, 398 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: what happens to Brady, what happens to the Bucks then? 399 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: And then God forbid? Also, you know, you also look 400 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: at you know, you've got Matt Ryan in this division. 401 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: Still you got Carolina that's kind of you know, continuously 402 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: remaking itself a little bit here. And yeah, maybe they'll 403 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: be better year over year, both of those teams. But 404 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: at the same time, do they have the talent on 405 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: both sides of the ball that the Saints happened? And 406 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: maybe with the scheme and talent and coaching they can 407 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: get by. And I always come back to the same thing. 408 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: You either have the coach or you don't. NFL, you 409 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: can have all the players in the world. If you 410 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: don't have the right systems, you don't have the right 411 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: game plan, You're gonna get schooled. It doesn't matter. Just 412 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 2: go ask Buffalo Bills fans, and you know what happened 413 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 2: to them for Super bowls in a row. You always 414 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 2: had the better talent for the most part. Maybe that 415 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: last Cowboys team was better than them, but still, like 416 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: you know, they had better roster than the Washington team. 417 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: Then they have better roster than the Giants that they 418 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: had way more talent. But again, if it was about preparation, 419 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: it was about game plan. And I have faith in 420 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: Sean Payton just like I do in some of the 421 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: great other coaches. And he's a Hall of Fame coach. 422 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, five or six coaches are huge difference makers, 423 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 3: and I think he's one of them. 424 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, him, Andy Reid, Belichick's a couple of them. Speaking 425 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: of Belichick, nine wins for the Pats, that's what the 426 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: consensus number is right now. Over under last year they 427 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: were a seven to win team, much to my chagrin, 428 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: exactly where I did not want them to be as 429 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: a fan. But look, they've brought back Cam Newton, they 430 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: have gone on a little bit of a spending spree 431 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: here when not one but two tight ends. Now I 432 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: still think John new Smith is that guy that they 433 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: really targeted to be the difference making guy for them, 434 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 2: and I love the talent of John new Smith and 435 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: I think there's certainly every reason to believe he can 436 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 2: be a playmaker for them. They still lack a little 437 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: bit of playmaking ability, which hopefully they'll make up four 438 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: in the draft. We'll see how that goes. They could 439 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: even potentially take a quarterback yere if somebody slips. It's 440 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: very possible. They're in a weird spot in this draft 441 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: where they could take advantage of a player that falls 442 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: a couple spots longer than they should. They went for Agalore, 443 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: they went for Kendrick Bourne, two receivers that have played 444 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: well but nobody expected them to and this is fascinating 445 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: to see if they can get anything out of them. 446 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: But overall, I gotta tell you, I think the biggest 447 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: addition for the Pats is getting all those players back 448 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: year over year that sat out. They had the most 449 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: players sit out for COVID last year. So for me, 450 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: looking at the nine wins, I look at this division, 451 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: I think Buffalo is still the class of it. Miami's 452 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: going to be tricky, but. 453 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: The rest of us know what their QB play is 454 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: gonna be. 455 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: Like this number feels about right to me on the nine. 456 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: And that's another one where I think I just stay 457 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: away from this nine with the Pats. Do you see 458 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: the bottoming out of Cam Newton here? Like or is 459 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: this year two in the offense and all of a 460 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: sudden they blow this nine away and become an eleven 461 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: or twelve win team. 462 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: I'm with you, Joe. 463 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna stay away here, if only because 464 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: I misread the Patriots pretty badly last year. Then again, 465 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: they dealt with a lot right Cam Newton got sick 466 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: in the middle of the year, they still won seven games. 467 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: I think what's interesting about their acquisitions this offseason is 468 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: some of them are a little head scratching. But at 469 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: the same time, here's what I ultimately think. I think 470 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: these transactions can help them get back on the right 471 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 3: track for twenty twenty one, and I don't know that 472 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: any of it really impacts them long term. Towards the positive, 473 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 3: I think they see a little bump and the Pats 474 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: get back to nine or ten wins. They're back in 475 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs, and fans are like hoping this momentum will 476 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: keep rolling all the way through to twenty twenty two 477 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: and beyond and that might not be the case. I 478 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 3: think that could be the situation here. I think they 479 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: get a nice little bump in twenty twenty one, people say, ah, 480 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 3: we're back to normal, and then in twenty twenty two, well, 481 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: I still don't really know where a long term quarterback 482 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 3: is because Cam was fine, but not a pro bowler 483 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: and we're happy to be in the playoffs. That's just 484 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: not really the way the Patriots have been rolling for 485 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: the last twenty years. So I think you're right in 486 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: this draft. I think they can wait for somebody to 487 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: fall out of the top ten and then pounce. That's 488 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: really more the way that they do things as opposed 489 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: to giving up a ton of assets to move to 490 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 3: number four. In terms of their win total, I would 491 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: lean towards the over, but I don't feel confident about 492 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: this at all because I think it could go sideways 493 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 3: for them. 494 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: It's very easy after last year to see it going sideways, 495 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: especially with Cam Newton. So I'm gonna just stay away 496 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: from this one. Let's talk and stay in this division 497 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: with the Dolphins too. This is another nine win team. Now, 498 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: they have a ton of draft picks, they have a 499 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: quarterback in progress, with two. He's got a ton of talent. 500 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 2: We've seen him in college, We've seen what he's capable of, 501 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 2: but we also saw him struggle at the NFL level 502 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: last year at times, and I think you saw some good, 503 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: little good moments there at times as well. So I 504 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: don't want to say that Tua can't overcome this and 505 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: make this a ten win team if they do end 506 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: up with a Kyle Pitts or somebody like that. I mean, 507 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: they're in a position where they could really load up here. 508 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: It's just whether or not you can get everything to 509 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: work together at once. And I think Flores has done 510 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: a tremendous job of making them bringing credibility to the Dolphins, 511 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: which they've lacked, you know, in that Adam Gase era 512 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: quite a bit. And it's nice to see the Dolphins 513 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 2: kind of get back to that standard because they're historic 514 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: NFL franchise. But that nine number, for you, this is 515 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: another tricky one, I think, where you know, free agent wise, 516 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what kind of you know, 517 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: big moves besides Will Fuller on the offensive side that 518 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: you can look to. But the draft, I feel like 519 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: is going to tell the tale. Is this the number. 520 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 2: You want to get in now before they get Kyle 521 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: Pitts and somebody else, Like if they get Kyle Pitts 522 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: and Nase Harris or something like that. I feel like 523 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: this nine is going to go to a nine and 524 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: a half or maybe even at ten because people are 525 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: gonna be very bullish about them. What are your thoughts 526 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: on the Dolphins. Is the time to get in or 527 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 2: is it stay away because it's still work in progress. 528 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 3: I think probably stay away. But I think you made 529 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 3: a really good point there. This is the type of 530 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: line that could be severely impacted, significantly impacted by the 531 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: transactions that they make. 532 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 4: Look they're at six, I'd be. 533 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 3: Stunned if they don't end up with Pits or Jamar Chase, 534 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 3: So I think it's probably more likely chased in Pits 535 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 3: to me. But we'll see how this draft plays out 536 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 3: in the next couple of weeks. I do think that 537 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 3: this is a very well coached team. I think Flores 538 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: is still being underrated with what he's been able to do. 539 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: Along with Jim Chris Greer in a fairly short period 540 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 3: of time, they're able to remake this franchise. 541 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: I like the way they are built. 542 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: I think there's still a ways to go before they're 543 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 3: consistently in front of the Patriots and competing with what 544 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 3: is now a very well respected Bills team. But I 545 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 3: would lean towards the over with Miami. I have faith 546 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 3: and Flores. I think there's enough good pieces here. I 547 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 3: think they play solid d the Will Fuller thing, like 548 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: we're fantasy football players on this pod as well, and 549 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: they'll never be a year where somebody won't buy in 550 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: to will Fuller. So it's all about Will Fuller stayed 551 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 3: healthy for seventeen games well, because he doesn't. 552 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: Because he doesn't. He answered whatever he was taking last year, 553 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: they kept him on the field. Now he can't take it. 554 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 4: So what are you gonna do? 555 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: Now, Let's talk about the Arizona Cardinals. They just made 556 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: an acquisition, actually just yesterday, James Connor coming into the 557 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: fold to join Chase Edmonds. They also brought in aj 558 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: Green in the offseason. But you know, the Cardinals, everything 559 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: just hinges on the health of Kyler Murray and whether 560 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: or not Cliff Kingsbury can kind of get better a 561 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: little bit with the play calling. I think there's still 562 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: some issues there on the defensive side of the football. Opportunistic. 563 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: I would call this defense. They create turnovers very well. 564 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: They're aggressive sometimes, but sometimes it costs them. Also, you've 565 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 2: seen them blow games as well. What are your thoughts 566 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: on this Cardinals number? Basically they're till you know, they're 567 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: a little less than a five hundred team. This is 568 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: the swing. Now it's very different. So you see the eight. 569 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 2: Now that's not five hundred anymore. So we got to like, 570 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: we got to like reprogram our brains. Now there is 571 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: no five hundred. So what do you think they're gonna 572 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 2: go here? With the seventeen game schedule? Do you think 573 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: they get to that nine or is the eight where 574 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: you'd want to realistically kind of keep them. 575 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 3: I would say that they get to the nine, I 576 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: would pick them as an over. I don't think it's 577 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: a hard over necessarily, but I do pick them to 578 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: go over. The disturbing part about the Cardinals is what 579 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: you mentioned. There are moments where we saw which is 580 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 3: ironic because Cliff Kingsbury is a very aggressive offensive coach 581 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: and there were times in game situations where he became 582 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: timid or conservative, which bugged me a lot and bugs 583 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: me for their potential long term success because I think 584 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: Kyler obviously being in place and acquiring weapons like DeAndre Hopkins, 585 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 3: and some of the other things they've even done this 586 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: offseason which you mentioned, are interesting. 587 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 4: But this was six and three team. 588 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: Kyler got banged up and it started to slip slide away, 589 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: and they went two and five down the stretch, which 590 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 3: is a horrible way to close out. I think people 591 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: will sometimes not realize that they were in six and 592 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: three and in an unbelievable position based on the hail 593 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 3: mary that was caught by DeAndre Hopkins. But nonetheless they 594 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: won that football game. So six and three is what 595 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to focus on. When Kyler was healthy, I 596 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: do think he's that much of a difference maker. They 597 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: continue to add pieces. You're right, the defense needs to 598 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: get better. I think Cliff needs to get better in 599 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: situational game calling, but I absolutely shade to the over 600 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: I don't think. 601 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 4: They regress at all. 602 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: The only issue for them is the things we've mentioned, 603 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: plus how competitive the division is. But you can't just 604 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 3: assume that somebody's going to dominate the division. They If 605 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 3: they end up going five hundred to the division, that's 606 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: just fine. 607 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: Well, especially because historically, you know, They've played some of 608 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 2: their better football against the forty nine ers and some 609 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: other division. They show up to play Seattle for the 610 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: most part, you know, I remember that's un they get 611 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: up for the big games. I think they got to 612 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: take care of more business and the teams they are 613 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: supposed to beat sometimes, and that's comes. I think that 614 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: comes with maturity. And we'll see if that takes a 615 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: step forward. 616 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 4: I'm with you. 617 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm a slight lean towards the over on the Cardinals 618 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 2: as well. The Washington football team got themselves a new quarterback, 619 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 2: a new old quarterback in Ryan Fitzpatrick. This was the 620 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: under five hundred team that went to the playoffs. And 621 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: you know, for all the buzz everyone's talking about Hurts 622 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: and the Eagles, for all the buzz on the Giants 623 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: signing Kenny Galladay and all that, I come back to defense, 624 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 2: and I come back to you know, they had no 625 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: quarterback play last year. I mean the quarterback play Alex 626 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: Smith was admirable at times, but let's be honest, I 627 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: mean at times this was dreadful. So Ryan Fitzpatrick still capable. 628 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like this this eight is actually 629 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: not giving them enough credit and that's how good they 630 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: are defensively, and how much faith I have in Ron 631 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: Rivera in what they're doing there. I think this is 632 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: an over and this is one of the few that 633 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: I kind of look at it and I go, you know what, 634 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: the missing east was the quarterback. The missing piece was 635 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: the leadership. And everybody loves Fitzpatrick. It seems like all 636 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: his teammates love him, and I think that's kind of 637 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 2: the thing you need right now. And it feels to 638 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: me like Washington is not getting the respect that they 639 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: deserve just because they didn't, you know, win in you 640 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 2: know a lot of games to win that division. And yeah, 641 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: we'll see what the Cowboys are this year with Dak back. 642 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: But well, again, defensively, that team struggles mightily regardless. So 643 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think Washington football team's kind of 644 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: getting them short end of the stick here. 645 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 3: What do you think fitz should just be selling T 646 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 3: shirts with his big face on it, with his huge 647 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: bushy beard with Yolo written across it, because that's. 648 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 4: That's the embodiment of Yolo. 649 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: He's like, I'll grow my hair as long as I 650 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: want on my face and I'll just throw for four 651 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: hundred yards in a given game. We all know if 652 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: Fits got seventeen starts, there's gonna be some clunkers in there. 653 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 3: But we're gonna have a lot of fun watching him, 654 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: and I do. I'm with you on this one as well. 655 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: We're agreeing a lot here, and my only concern is that, 656 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: you know, Fitz have a really bad stretch and they 657 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: dump a couple of games that they're supposed to win. 658 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 3: But we're in a weak division where we still don't 659 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 3: even know what Daniel Jones and the Giants are going 660 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 3: to look like. Where Philly is admitting that they're in 661 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: a rebuild with Jalen Hurts, who's dynamic, but he can't 662 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: carry the team all by himself. Philly's got a ton 663 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 3: of holes, which I think is still underrated how much 664 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: they need to fix. But there was a moment last 665 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: year when this division where nobody wanted to win the 666 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: division and Washington got into a stretch, and I remember 667 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: saying on Sports Grid on various shows that the bet 668 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: right now is Washington And this is probably at a 669 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 3: time where they had two or three wins, but they 670 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: were heading into a stretch because everybody else in the 671 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: division couldn't do anything right. But Washington did one thing 672 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 3: right every game. They pressured the quarterback, and they were 673 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 3: good in the front four especially and the front seven. 674 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: So and they started to run the football a little 675 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: well too, Gibbs It yeah, kiss. They had that intermediate 676 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: short game kind of going for them where they can 677 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: move the ball a little at a time to eat 678 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 2: clock and play defense. And that plays in December, and 679 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: it plays. 680 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: In Jesus too, and Joe, you and I would sit 681 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: here and say that they didn't even really utilize Terry 682 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 3: McLaurin the way that any of us would want them to, 683 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: and they still won the division. So imagine when he 684 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 3: gets unlocked a little bit and they start utilizing some 685 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 3: of these other pieces. Antonio Gibson obviously was great. 686 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: And Kurtis Samuels now in the fold two there, which 687 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: is a really interesting piece of very loll I like it. 688 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: I could do a lot of things with. 689 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: I like it. I would never bet them under. 690 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: I do think that there's still an opportunity for Washington 691 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: to grab a long term piece at quarterback, but I 692 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 3: think Fitz gets the. 693 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 4: Start to begin the year. 694 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: Now we talk about the Giants in that same division, 695 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: Their numbers at seven now. They did sign Kenny Golladay. 696 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: This is the make or break year for Daniel Jones, 697 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: and it really hinges so much on Saquon Barkley because 698 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 2: when Barkley's in the lineup, you see Daniel Jones's numbers 699 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: are completely different. And that's understandable. He is the you know, 700 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: possibly one of the best running backs in football. But 701 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: the problem is he hasn't been on the field much 702 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: in the last two years, and that's a distinct problem. 703 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 2: So you're betting on health here, and on top of which, 704 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: you're betting on whether or not Daniel Jones can cure 705 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: the ills of the turnovers that have plagued him throughout 706 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: his career. This number is at seven right now. They 707 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: were a six win team last year. To me, this 708 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: is a stay away because I don't think any of 709 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: us know the answer, and I don't see anything that's 710 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: leading me towards feeling really strong that it's going to 711 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: be better. And every NFL team will find a couple 712 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: of those, you know, wins that nobody thought they would win, 713 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 2: and this kind of puts them around seven. I mean, 714 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: this feels like a seven to ten team to me, 715 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: which again, like you said before, we got to get 716 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: used to saying these things. That's kind of what it 717 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: feels like. It feels like a team that's a little 718 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: under five hundred is going to get beat up a 719 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: little bit outside, you know, when they start to play 720 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: other teams that are better than them outside of their division. 721 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. We have to give Joe Judge 722 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: some amount of credit. Right, this is an Owen Sure team. 723 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: They rally the truth, They competed, no doubt. 724 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: You're right, Mike, Especially towards the end of the year, 725 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: there was a lot of thought that, hey, the Giants 726 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 3: could steal this division. Right down to the last two weeks, 727 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 3: we thought the Giants had an opportunity to win the division. 728 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 4: You're right on everything, he said. 729 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: Say, Quan's got to be somebody that we expect to 730 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 3: be the superstar that he was. 731 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 4: Drafted to be. 732 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones has got to be a little better at 733 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 3: making decisions. And I do give Joe Judge credit, and 734 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: I have faith in him to get the team pointed 735 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: in the right direction. But do I have faith in 736 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: the roster top to bottom? 737 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 4: Not really. 738 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: James Bradbury was really expensive for them, and he played 739 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 3: really well. I have to give as much as people 740 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 3: want to crap on Gettleman, you have to give him 741 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: credit for some. 742 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: Of the wins. 743 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: The Leonard Williams trade looks good. The James Bradbury signing 744 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: looks good. Right now, those are very expensive players. Perhaps 745 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: they're not worth their dollar amount, but they're capable and 746 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: productive and they're moving forward. The Giants' issues for the 747 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: last couple of years have a lot of times been 748 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 3: related to the offensive line. So there's no Nate Solder, 749 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: Kevin Zeidler, all these pieces moving in and moving out, 750 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 3: and then they draft Andrew Thomas, who didn't necessarily play 751 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 3: like a number fourth overall pick. I think you still 752 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: got some question marks there. It's not a team. I 753 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: can have a lot of faith in you. 754 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: It's tough to invest. It feels like that's that's what 755 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: you and I are trying to say. It's not a 756 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: good investment right now. That number and where they are. 757 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 4: I think, I think there's plenty of teams. 758 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 3: By the way that we've said during the course of 759 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: his last type finance, i'd stay away, and some of 760 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 3: you listening maybe saying, well, these guys aren't giving me 761 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 3: any advice. 762 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the advice. 763 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait until the draft happens, right, 764 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: wait and see if somebody tears an ACL. There's plenty 765 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: of bets on totals that can be placed in August 766 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 3: where you're taking a strong position, you have all the information, 767 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 3: you feel good about the coaching staff, and you can 768 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 3: move forward. I wait often, I'll wait. There's a certain 769 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 3: numbers last year, and last. 770 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 4: Year was obviously a very funky situation. Well, they didn't 771 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 4: lockdown and everything else. We didn't know if we're going 772 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 4: to play. But there was a couple of numbers that 773 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 4: I grabbed. 774 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: Really early, the Bills that once the Jets started making trades, 775 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: the power. 776 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 2: Was really early. That those are so low. 777 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just thought the Colts and that and 778 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 3: the Bills were the easiest overs on the board, and 779 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 3: the Jets were a hard under, as were the Bengals. 780 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 3: So those are the ones I took early. A couple 781 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 3: of others I just waited until the last minute. 782 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: And I think what we're getting at here is telling 783 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: you you know, how to react or not react or 784 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 2: not overreact to free agency. We got one more team 785 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: to do, but we're pretty clear here you know, the 786 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: Colts looked like a good over. Uh you know the 787 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 2: situations with the Saints where Mike brings up a lot 788 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 2: of good points about coaching, and maybe that nine is 789 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 2: a little low right now. The Dolphins. If you don't 790 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: like the nine and it gets to nine and a 791 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 2: half or ten after the draft because there's so much buzz, 792 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: maybe that's when you bet the under with this team. 793 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: You let it go up a little bit and then 794 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 2: go under it. And we give you the Cardinal too, 795 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 2: which is a team we think could be over that 796 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: eight as well because of the kind of talent that 797 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 2: they have, as well as Washington. So there's one more here, 798 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: which is the Panthers at seven and a half. They've 799 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: got a quarterback they've brought in from New York, Sam 800 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: Darnald and Teddy Bridgewater and looks like he's moving to 801 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 2: the back burner for now. Theoretically, get Christian McCaffrey back. 802 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 2: This team won five games last year. The play calling 803 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 2: was great, The defense was very young. They spent all 804 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 2: their draft picks the previous season on defense, and I'll 805 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 2: tell you what that defense did play better as the 806 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: year went on. You can see early on they were 807 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: very green, but they have a lot of team speed 808 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 2: on defense, and this is a defense that I think 809 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: is going to get better as they go and start 810 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: to play together year over year. The Panthers, though this 811 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: is a tricky one seven and a half, it's actually 812 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 2: higher than I thought it was going to be already. 813 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 2: Is this the time to get in on it now? 814 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: And are you buying the idea of just getting Sam 815 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 2: Darnold away from Adam Gase. I'm not saying he's going 816 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: to be Ryan Tannehill, but my goodness, you're giving him 817 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 2: Anderson more and CMC that's a pretty good situation. 818 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 4: Agreed. 819 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: So I'll say in general, I think everything the Panthers 820 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 3: have done. 821 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 4: The last couple of years. 822 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 3: They got new ownership, they brought in new coaching staff, 823 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 3: new GM. I've liked the way that they've built from 824 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 3: the second David Tepper took over as owner until now, 825 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 3: including decisions like let's try Teddy Bridgewater. Okay, it didn't 826 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: work out the way we wanted, We're going to try 827 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 3: another option. I think these are okay as you're building 828 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: an organization to try things like this, especially in what 829 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 3: when they were caught in the place that they were 830 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 3: in the draft. They couldn't trade up to four, and 831 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if they want to trade up to four. 832 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 4: Maybe they liked the first three guys and not the 833 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 4: other two that much. 834 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: In the things, that seems like that's the case. They 835 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 2: liked the three and then after that they didn't want 836 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 2: to take on the Lance Project or mac Jones. 837 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 4: That's right what they did. That's right, So which is great, 838 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 4: Just go ahead and do that. 839 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 3: It doesn't necessarily mean that the twenty twenty two quarterback 840 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 3: draft class is going to suck compared to twenty twenty one. 841 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 3: It's people get really worked up over that, and they 842 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 3: don't frankly, have any idea what the twenty twenty two 843 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 3: class is going to look like twelve months from now. 844 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: But what I would say, in general from a betting standpoint, 845 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 3: the number that you can look at with the Panthers 846 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 3: is they've lost seven or eight games by one score, right, 847 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 3: just doing the math, that is likely to have some 848 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 3: positive regression to get them to where you need to be. 849 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 3: Now you are you rightly stated the number is probably 850 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 3: a little higher than I would have suspected. But I 851 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 3: like Darnold coming in with the fact that even if 852 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 3: they just get to back to five hundred with those 853 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 3: one score games you can get to. The number doesn't 854 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 3: mean they have to win eleven. You're just trying to 855 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: get them to eight or nine, to a point where 856 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 3: you're comfortable. Now, can this number move around, move down 857 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 3: a little bit? 858 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 4: Maybe? 859 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 3: I just think that the Panthers number is going to 860 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 3: become more bullish and less and I think this is 861 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 3: the number of all the ones that we've talked to, 862 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 3: has an opportunity to move up as we start to 863 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 3: get potential positive news about Donald and other weapons that 864 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 3: they may have added through the draft. 865 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 4: So I think it's an over if for no other. 866 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 3: Reason, just based on the mat that they lost so 867 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 3: many one score games. 868 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I have a lot of faith 869 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: in that rule and Joe Brady's play calling, and I 870 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 2: think even if it doesn't look good in the September, 871 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna look better as time goes on. 872 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 2: And if Sam Donald can't succeed here in this situation, 873 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 2: then I think then they'll move on again next year 874 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: and find somebody else. But I think it's worth the 875 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 2: shot because I don't think Sam Donald ever got himself 876 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 2: into a fair situation there and getting out of New 877 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: York and away from Adam Gase and all that is 878 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 2: the best thing you could possibly ask for. So those 879 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,919 Speaker 2: are our ten teams that are most effective potentially by 880 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 2: NFL free agency in terms of win loss totals. And 881 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 2: again you go to betting pros to get all that 882 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 2: information that can census over unders on all the teams. Mike, 883 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 2: tell everybody where they can find you on the Twitter machine, 884 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 2: and of course where all your shows are on Sports Great. 885 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 3: Sure at Mike Blewett, nothing fancy about that. Blitt Football 886 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 3: full Circle. I'll be hosting draft shows and I'm on 887 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 3: every Sunday live on Sports Grid during the football season, 888 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 3: Pro Football Today and College Football Today. 889 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 2: There you have it, Mike. It's so good to talk 890 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: football with you, just like the time flies. Man, it's 891 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: I missed this. Mike and I do this every Sunday 892 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: from the Metlands together doing pre show and hopefully this 893 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 2: year on Sportscrew we'll get to do a little bit 894 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 2: more stuff together hopefully come NFL season. But catch Mike 895 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 2: and the crew. They do a great job and they 896 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: got that live stream coming up for the draft as well. 897 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: Mike thank you for your time, your knowledge, buddy, and 898 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 2: again just great to have you on the show. That'll 899 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 2: do it for us here, but the story of the 900 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: game goes on. I'm Joe Piezapia. We'll see you next time. Kids,