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Speaker 3: dot com. Let's get to tariffs now. There has been

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Speaker 3: a major announcement from Donald Trump while he was broad

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Speaker 3: about the European Union and a trade deal that's been

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Speaker 3: really been reached between these two blocks.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you have to say.

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Speaker 4: We are agreeing that the tariff straight across for automobiles

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Speaker 4: and everything else will be a straight across tariff of

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Speaker 4: fifteen percent.

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Speaker 5: We are known as a tough negotiator and deal maker

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Speaker 5: fun and what is it fun?

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Speaker 1: We are successful.

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Speaker 6: I think it would be the biggest dealstruct so I'm

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Speaker 6: very much ever strugg.

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Speaker 3: So that is the circumstances. There she was, he was pictured,

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Speaker 3: you know, with the EU President vander Lyon. It is

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Speaker 3: kind of an insane deal, and I'll try and get

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Speaker 3: into the broad strokes of it. So first of all,

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Speaker 3: people need to understand he is meeting there with the

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Speaker 3: European Union. Now, the European Union has the ability to

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Speaker 3: negotiate trade agreements and blocks, but doesn't have the full

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Speaker 3: authority to actually command its countries to do that. All right,

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Speaker 3: this sounds pretty important, by the way, this is why

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Speaker 3: the entire European Union is stupid idea.

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Speaker 1: But that's the secondary question.

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Speaker 3: You have France and Germany who have criticized, the two

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Speaker 3: major economic powers within the who are critical of the deal.

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Speaker 3: The deal that's been signed now by the European Union. Now,

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Speaker 3: the European Union is saying we are pledging. But the

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Speaker 3: crux of the deal is basically to set a base

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Speaker 3: tariff rate of fifteen percent. Let me just put that

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Speaker 3: up at the top. There's gonna be a fifteen percent

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Speaker 3: tariffs on goods. By the way, it actually includes pharmaceuticals,

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Speaker 3: which was previously exempt from a lot of This is

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Speaker 3: essentially a flat tariff across the board on all that

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Speaker 3: in exchange for lowering the tariff rate and including there's

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Speaker 3: some other stuff that's in the deal. The EU, and

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Speaker 3: this is the one touted most by Trump, is going

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Speaker 3: to spend some six hundred billion US dollars by purchasing

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Speaker 3: US natural gas supplies and others. That's part the key

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Speaker 3: deal that's being sold to Americans right now. I want

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Speaker 3: people to understand that there is zero enforcement on that

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Speaker 3: zero So let me go ahead and put D four

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Speaker 3: up here on the screen. And I've heard a lot

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Speaker 3: pushback from MAGA folks lately. Oh, you're such a hater,

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Speaker 3: and all the listen. I'm a hater because I'm pro protectionism,

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Speaker 3: I'm pro protecting American business investment and all of that.

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Speaker 3: I am not pro fake promises from people that have

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Speaker 3: no authority to actually make them. So here, the European

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Speaker 3: Union admits it cannot guarantee their six hundred billion dollar

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: The extra investments pledged under the trade deal would have

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Speaker 3: to come from private companies, which Brussel concedes it has

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Speaker 3: no power to control. Let me reiterate that. Brussel says

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Speaker 3: it has no power to actually invest the touted six

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal sorry, into the US over the coming years,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, quote the money would have to come

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Speaker 3: which means that these private companies would have to make

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Speaker 3: the Now can the government lean on the private company?

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Speaker 3: I guess, But you know, if they're going to lean

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Speaker 3: offer them something in return.

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Speaker 1: This is the problem, right.

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Speaker 3: And then secondary to all of this is pledge around

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Speaker 3: gas and actually buying.

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Speaker 1: A lot of US natural gas supplies.

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Speaker 3: Well, everything I've read now so far, there is this

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Speaker 3: Why we don't have the supply. We don't barely have

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Speaker 3: like the two cruxes, right, the six hundred billion of

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Speaker 3: called fifteen percent flat tariff.

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Speaker 1: That's the deal.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's better than what fifty sixty percent

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Speaker 3: crazy at all these people who are like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: truth is is that Trump succeeded. Hold on a second,

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Speaker 3: all right, It put in maximal tariffs, went from maximal

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Speaker 3: the market and the bond market react, they pull back

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Speaker 3: all these like little mini tariffs everywhere. We're gonna do

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Speaker 3: all of these side deals, all of the side deals

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Speaker 3: that get postponed for some ninety to one hundred and

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Speaker 3: And now within that context, after you've moved and als fair,

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Speaker 3: there's already been some market correction or reality of accepting

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Speaker 3: So that is a good lead in to the Bill

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Speaker 3: Maher and so I want people to understand this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a hater. I want more, I want better

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Speaker 3: I don't see a lot of this stuff in the

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Speaker 3: European Union other than a teriff for the sake of tariff.

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Speaker 3: I don't really see how this is going to increase

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Speaker 3: but I just don't personally see it. All I see

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Speaker 3: which Bill Maher now says quote I got to own it,

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Speaker 3: and gives Trump saying that the terroff didn't sink the economy.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a list.

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Speaker 5: The truth is, I don't know what his strategy is,

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Speaker 5: but look, the stock market is at record highs. I

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Speaker 5: know not everybody lives by the stock market. But I

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Speaker 5: also drive around. I don't see a country and a

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Speaker 5: depression at all. I see people out there just living

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Speaker 5: their lives. And I would have thought, and I got

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Speaker 5: to own it, that the cut that these tariffs were

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Speaker 5: going to fucking sing this economy by this time, and

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Speaker 5: they didn't.

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Speaker 3: The reason why is because those maximum tariffs on China,

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Speaker 3: which actually would have sunk the economy, are not currently

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Speaker 3: in place. Okay, and let's get into that little China

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Speaker 3: tariff deal, shall we. Let's put D five here up

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Speaker 3: on the screen, just so people know. Because the number

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Speaker 3: one reason we're supposed to be concerned about trade with

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Speaker 3: And right now Trump has actually frozen export controls to

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Speaker 3: secure the trade deal with China. Now I would say, Ai,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is what they always say the most

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Speaker 3: important future part of our business, which runs on these

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Speaker 3: Nvidia H twenty trips chips, which previously the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: was going to freeze for our export to China. The

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Speaker 3: actually blocked that export control, allowing Nvidia to continue exporting

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Speaker 3: those chips to China basically because and you'll all recall this,

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Speaker 3: Jensen Lang paid five million dollars to have dinner with

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Speaker 3: Trump down in mar A Lago. That's how this all happened. Now,

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Speaker 3: whether you support this or not, that's not really how

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Speaker 3: we should be making national security policy, is it. Check?

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Speaker 3: Can we all agree with that? And you know, people

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Speaker 3: I know who are real China protectionists are freaking out

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Speaker 3: about this, including Steve Bannon, who is quoted here in

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Speaker 3: this article. But it's basically giving away the store on

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Speaker 3: let me also note this, the Trump administration today did

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Speaker 1: The hell out of Biden for doing.

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Speaker 3: They blocked the Taiwani's president from transitting through New York

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Speaker 3: to participate in an event in Dallas. This is a

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Speaker 3: top ten trading partner of the United States. But because

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Speaker 3: I would call that capitulation. Whenever we're talking about a

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Speaker 3: European Union, fine, they're paying fifteen percent tariff, and they

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Speaker 3: looking at right now, I guess we should say, fine,

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Speaker 1: Because then we can go anymore. Maybe it's better the alternative, it's.

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Speaker 2: Better than what was promised. I mean, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Like Bill Maher not known for his economic attention to detail.

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Speaker 2: aren't really in a position to compel that or promise that.

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Speaker 2: With the Japanese deal, after Trump made his big announcement,

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Speaker 2: then the Japanese came and said, that's not actually what

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Speaker 2: going to learn the lesson of way to beat look

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Speaker 2: into the details, find out what's real and what's not

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Speaker 2: before you give him his glowing report of Oh, President

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Speaker 2: Trump wins again. I was on with Peers Morgan yesterday

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Speaker 2: and Crystal why can't you give why can't the Democrats

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Speaker 2: give Trump credit? It's like, because there's there's nothing here

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Speaker 2: to give credit for. It's the difference between also what

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Speaker 2: everyone's going to come begging and it's going to be

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Speaker 2: this incredible renaissance and whatever, and the reality of these

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Speaker 2: the part of it that actually has teeth. The fifteen

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Speaker 3: So then if piece of legislation comes forward, you would

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Speaker 3: all right, So then let's talk about the future to

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Speaker 6: And yeah, well, I guess as a good Midwesterner and

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Speaker 1: Sorry, We're a big country.

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Speaker 6: Let's have that debate and adults can debate and not

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Speaker 6: I've said for a very long time, long before I

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Speaker 6: You can feel it in and I think at this point,

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Speaker 6: And I think one of the things I can do

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Speaker 2: So then shouldn't they endorse him? I mean, what kind

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Speaker 6: Michigan Democrats don't get involved in primaries. We all are friends,

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Speaker 6: they live. Is like, I just want to be able

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Speaker 6: to go to Disneyland and take my kids the way

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Speaker 6: my dad took me. So that's where I focus on.

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Speaker 6: I'm happy to sit down with any leader. I can't

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Speaker 6: speak to their particular decision to endorse or not I'm

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Speaker 6: not endorsing in my own right.

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Speaker 2: But just guess he won the primary, right, that's my question.

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Speaker 1: That's what's different.

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Speaker 2: And they have another election though, yeah, a general election,

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Speaker 2: yet he is a Democratic nominee, I.

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Speaker 6: Say, I say, I'm sorry. This is why I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: I don't follow New York politics and the I think

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Speaker 6: the the you'd have.

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Speaker 1: To ask them, I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I know that for me, whoever wins the Democratic primary

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Speaker 6: in the state of Michigan for the Senate seat that's up,

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Speaker 6: that's why I will endorse, regardless of who it is.

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Speaker 1: That was my last question. So I'm sure it's Chris.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, I guess I'm actually a little curious,

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Speaker 2: and forgive me if this is in polite, like, I'm

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Speaker 2: curious why you wanted to talk to us?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, well, like what we.

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Speaker 2: Don't have Actually a lot of senators, especially ones who

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Speaker 2: have very different ideology than us, reach out. So I'm

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Speaker 2: curious what your goal was and why you thought to

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Speaker 2: come here.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I think you have a good audience.

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Speaker 6: I mean, right, we agree you if you spoke to

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Speaker 6: if you if you appeal to like four friends on

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Speaker 6: YouTube or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Then I probably wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 6: But I think, to me, part of the problem is

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Speaker 6: that people have kind of gone to their corners.

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Speaker 1: And I live this right.

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Speaker 6: I live on my family farm in a town that

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Speaker 6: voted heavily for down Donald Trump. I've never won my town.

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Speaker 6: I've never won my precinct. I've never won my neighbors.

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Speaker 6: We get along, but it never won them and I

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Speaker 6: probably never will. So to me, I think that the

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Speaker 6: people have gone to their corners, and like people who

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Speaker 6: used to be able to talk about politics and disagree

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Speaker 6: don't even get in the same room together. So I

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Speaker 6: kind of like the idea of your show, Like it

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Speaker 6: was interesting to me when my team pitched me.

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Speaker 1: Right, we go through and like there's no hiding it.

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Speaker 6: Lots of people are like, how do we evolve in

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Speaker 6: this new space? You know, Like that's not a you know,

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Speaker 6: it's not that that conversation isn't happening.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's good and to the credit of

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Speaker 6: lots of shows like yours, But I think your show

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Speaker 6: appealed to me as I was being pitched because you

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Speaker 6: guys don't agree, and I am very focused. My dad

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Speaker 6: was a lifelong Republican, my mom, a lifelong Democrat. Like

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Speaker 6: Michiganders want to get back to a place where we

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Speaker 6: can disagree on politics and not have it be so

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Speaker 6: like bitter.

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Speaker 2: So I hear you on the idea of like you

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the economics and the unifying and

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Speaker 2: cost of living, and I think that ignores a big

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Speaker 2: elephant in the room, especially when you're talking about even

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Speaker 2: soor on Mom Donnie. The reason Hakeeen, Jeffries, and Chuck

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Speaker 2: Schumer don't want to endorse him is because of his

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Speaker 2: position on Israel. The single most viral clip that he

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Speaker 2: had in that election actually wasn't about cost of living,

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Speaker 2: even though that's what he wanted to make his campaign about.

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Speaker 2: His opponent, Sandra Cuomo in particular, wanted to make it

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Speaker 2: all about accusing him of anti Semitism and attacking him

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Speaker 2: for his views on Israel and Palestine. So the most

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Speaker 2: viral moment from that entire campaign, I believe, was this

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Speaker 2: moment on the debate stage. Guys, this is E one,

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Speaker 2: and go ahead and play this for you, and then

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Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction, mister mom.

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Speaker 7: Donnie, I would stay in New York City, my plans

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Speaker 7: are to address New Yorkers across the five boroughs and

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Speaker 7: focus on that.

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Speaker 2: Mister Mom Donnie, can I just jump in, would you

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Speaker 2: visit Israel?

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Speaker 1: I'm mayor.

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Speaker 7: I will be doing as the mayor. I'll be standing

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Speaker 7: up for Jewish New Yorkers and I'll be meeting them

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Speaker 7: wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether that's in

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Speaker 7: their synagogues and temples, or at their homes or at

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Speaker 7: the subway platform, because ultimately we need to focus on

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Speaker 7: delivering on their concerns.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we also know do you believe in a Jewish

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Speaker 1: state of Israel?

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Speaker 7: I believe Israel has the right to exist as a

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Speaker 7: Jewish state, as a state with equal rights.

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Speaker 2: Now, this was considered very controversial when he said it,

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Speaker 2: and I think the results are in at this point

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Speaker 2: that he didn't win in spite of his position there.

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Speaker 2: He won in part because of it, including if you

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Speaker 2: listen to Andrew Cuomo's numbers, he won a majority of

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Speaker 2: Jewish voters inside of New York City. And so what

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Speaker 2: I'm curious for your view on is, while you know

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Speaker 2: I would love to debate you on your healthcare policy,

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Speaker 2: I think we need medicare for all you think public option,

536
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Speaker 2: you're housing policy, etc. I'm just being really real with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't really hear what you say if you are

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Speaker 2: still supporting a genocide in Gaza. And that's for me,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm speaking for myself, but I know there

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Speaker 2: are millions of other people who feel the same that

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Speaker 2: you have to at least cross this sort of moral

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Speaker 2: threshold and what it indicates to people. And I think

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Speaker 2: part of why you know zor on one so many

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Speaker 2: people in New York City, young people in particular, but

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Speaker 2: Jewish New Yorkers people across the board, is because it

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Speaker 2: was a sign of Number one, Okay, you're focused on

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Speaker 2: New York City first and foremost. Number two, you're willing

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Speaker 2: to take the heat on an issue that is really

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Speaker 2: difficult for you, where you're being overtly smeared as an

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Speaker 2: anti semi And number three, there's no you know, entrenched

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Speaker 2: interest that's going to control You have a spine, you

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Speaker 2: have principles, you're willing to stand up for something, and

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Speaker 2: so you know, I'm curious for your reflections on that

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Speaker 2: because of your voting record and where you've stood on

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Speaker 2: this conflict.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean I one of the proudest moments

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Speaker 6: that I had in my last election where I just

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Speaker 6: won on the same ballot as Donald Trump, was that

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Speaker 6: I won a majority of Jewish voters in Michigan, we

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Speaker 6: have a large Jewish population, and I won Dearborn, Dearborn,

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Speaker 6: High and hand Tramick, the three Muslim dominated cities. Trump

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Speaker 6: won two out of the three. So I think the

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Speaker 6: thing that I would push back on is the voters.

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Speaker 6: They voters vote with their feet, right, we have a

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Speaker 6: moment in an election where they get to decide. And

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Speaker 6: there was no issue that was more difficult for me

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Speaker 6: in this last I would say six years, but certainly

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Speaker 6: in this last election other than this issue because it's personal.

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Speaker 6: I'm a Middle East analyst by training, and so what

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Speaker 6: I tried to do and why I think I managed

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Speaker 6: to win both those communities is call balls and strikes

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Speaker 6: literally up to this week on what's going on.

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Speaker 2: So then let's talk a little bit more about that.

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Speaker 6: But I think I think it's important, right, if you're

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Speaker 6: going to push on me, then I think like there's

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Speaker 6: one of us that's had an election and had to

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Speaker 6: appeal to my voters and win. And so it doesn't

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Speaker 6: surprise me at all that mister mom Donnie won or

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Speaker 6: actually I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know his name. I didn't know much about

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Speaker 1: him until he one.

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Speaker 6: But because I think this issue is motivating people in

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Speaker 6: a very visceral and personal way. Yeah, but it's not

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Speaker 6: the only issue that my voters in Michigan care about.

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Speaker 6: And the online world is extremely extremely focused on this,

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Speaker 6: but that doesn't always represent the majority. And I think

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Speaker 6: if I can push back, like if you, we do.

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Speaker 6: We're out on the road every day in Michigan. When

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Speaker 6: I'm there, in some communities, that issue is the number

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Speaker 6: one issue, one hundred percent, And like I mean up

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Speaker 6: till this morning, right, like people texting my phone and

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Speaker 6: talking about a plan some of the things we're working on.

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Speaker 6: But I go outside the Detroit area, it's not in

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Speaker 6: the top forty.

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Speaker 2: But Senator, it's not just a political issue. It's also

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Speaker 2: a moral issue. It is when I'm trying to get

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Speaker 2: to So let's talk about those you know, calling and balls.

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Speaker 1: And strikes, if you will.

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Speaker 2: So, first of all, do you accept that Israel has

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Speaker 2: a policy of enforced famine and starvation in the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 6: I think I literally put my name on a letter

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Speaker 6: yesterday or last night that says like a policy of starvation,

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Speaker 6: people are starting to starve. And in general, I mean

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Speaker 6: I served in places like Ramadi and Falluja.

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Speaker 1: I watched in two thousand.

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Speaker 6: And four and two thousand and five al Qaeda terrorists

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Speaker 6: drag American citizens behind a vehicle until they died, right

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Speaker 6: like horrible and then string them up like a lynching. Okay,

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Speaker 6: we still had a responsibility to get aid into Fallujah

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Speaker 6: despite the fact that we were fighting al Qaeda cells

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Speaker 6: in Fallujah, and I have been clear about that.

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Speaker 2: So this is a this is a crime against humanity.

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Speaker 2: Sea is An's a crime against humanity.

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Speaker 6: The occupying power has a responsibility to get aid into

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Speaker 6: the war zone, period.

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Speaker 1: So by the law of war.

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Speaker 2: So in addition, do you accept that the Israeli plan,

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Speaker 2: as reported by Haretz, as discussed openly by ministers like

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Speaker 2: Ben Gavern' Smotrich, as backed by the President of the

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Speaker 2: United States, is forced ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 6: I think we have as recently as yesterday the Prime

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Speaker 6: Minister of Israel talking about forced migration into certain areas

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Speaker 6: and then potentially out of the country. That is not legal,

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Speaker 6: that is not on the on any international standards. Since

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Speaker 6: World War Two, and I've been clear about that. So

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Speaker 6: I just I would ask for a little bit of

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Speaker 6: an open mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I would ask is, listen, I'm a YouTuber.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have my words, That's all I have.

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Speaker 2: But you're a United States senator like you have. You're

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Speaker 2: not the president, but you have power. So what are

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Speaker 2: you going to do? Because so far what we've seen,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've you've voted for some of the aid

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Speaker 2: that's been used to massacre children and innocence. You know,

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Speaker 2: you have backed Israel as far as I can tell.

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Speaker 2: You know from your voting record at almost every turn

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Speaker 2: you voted for a definition of anti Semitism that would

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Speaker 2: you know, codify anti Zionism as anti Semitism. You voted

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Speaker 2: as a member of the House to sanction the ICC

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Speaker 2: for indicting Benjamin Netanyahu, who you just admitted is a

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Speaker 2: war criminal, you know by your own words. So are

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Speaker 2: you going to join Senator Angus King, Senator Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 2: and saying no more aid to this country that is

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Speaker 2: committing war crimes against innocent civilians.

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Speaker 6: I think the first thing, if you're asking about what

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Speaker 6: to do with power, and I would I would offer

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Speaker 6: that right now, Democrats own nothing in Washington, so the

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Speaker 6: don't play powerless man.

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Speaker 1: Theyre not with me.

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Speaker 2: You're a United States.

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Speaker 6: Senators can do in terms of who runs our foreign policy.

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Speaker 6: I just think it's interesting, right that there was a

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Speaker 6: ton of protests when Democrats were in charge.

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Speaker 2: There was a protest in Manhattan yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I think it's fair to say, just to be honest,

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Speaker 6: but back and forth, like the number of protests that

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Speaker 6: go on now.

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Speaker 1: Versus before they were part of your political coalition. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's fair obviously.

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Speaker 2: I'm here. Yeah, I was very upset over the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration policy, and as you can tell, I'm very upset

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Speaker 2: of the Trump administration policy. So let's deal not in strawmen, but.

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Speaker 6: In terms of what so the tools that I have,

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Speaker 6: the tools that we have in general, to me, the

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Speaker 6: most important thing is a pressurized campaign to get aid

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Speaker 6: into people who are starving. That to me is number

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Speaker 6: the number one, because that's the one is urgent and

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Speaker 6: today and that.

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Speaker 2: But will you cut off aid to Israel so long

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Speaker 2: as they're committing crimes against you?

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Speaker 6: Managed I there is a difference between a weapon to

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Speaker 6: protect a country from incoming missiles versus other type. Offensive

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Speaker 6: and defensive weapons are different.

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Speaker 3: So it would just support offensive weapons, man like would

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Speaker 3: you stop any offensive aid to Israel?

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Speaker 1: That certainly to me would be a place to look.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not going to cut off a blanket next

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Speaker 6: Saale on a defensive weapon.

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Speaker 2: Also, now, I also reject that because for example, if

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Speaker 2: Senator Sakin, if you were asked to support defensive weapons

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Speaker 2: for Iran, defensive weapons for Russia, you.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't back that. No, but Iran, I mean, but.

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Speaker 2: They're defensive, They're just protecting civilians, right, Wow, is it different?

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Speaker 1: But because Israel is being shot at I mean is Iran?

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Speaker 3: So is Russia crane shooting at Russia right now?

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry. This is the difference between allies, partners and ad.

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Speaker 1: The series.

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Speaker 3: What are they doing right now? Which makes it an ally?

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Speaker 6: I think allied relationships just like Lithuania right now, like

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Speaker 6: an allied relationship or a partner relationship is a long

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Speaker 6: standing relationship of information sharing and diplomacy. And that is

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Speaker 6: to me, it's not a like every day we decide

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Speaker 6: Lithuania is our ally or not, we're allied or not,

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Speaker 6: and sometimes we have big breaks with allies right. Sometimes

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Speaker 6: we have difficult moments with allies. Sometimes it goes the

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Speaker 6: wrong way with allies, but an allied relationship is a.

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Speaker 1: Long term relationship.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to understand why we should ally,

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Speaker 2: like I'm sure you believe in like our claims to

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Speaker 2: believe in liberal human rights. Why would we would ally

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Speaker 2: with a nation that is committing a genocide in livestream?

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Speaker 1: Can I ask literally like this?

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Speaker 6: I think about this from the mirror image way because

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Speaker 6: I am not I do not support the things that

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump is doing right, But I'm an American. So

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Speaker 6: do I want other countries to look at America and

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Speaker 6: be like, we don't. We can't stand Donald Trump. So

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Speaker 6: we're going to end any long standing relationship we have

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Speaker 6: with the American people. We're going to cut off any

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Speaker 6: support we give them on information sharing or intelligence sharing,

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Speaker 6: like we are not just our elected leaders. And I

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Speaker 6: think that's the thing that's been lost.

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Speaker 2: Do you in action? So bets Sellem and another Israeli

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Speaker 2: human rights organization joined the Global Consensus am the international

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Speaker 2: some eight hundred scholars. There was a piece from an

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Speaker 2: Israeli scholar the New York Times in saying this is

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Speaker 2: a genocide? Do you accept even Marjorie Tailor green Assary

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Speaker 2: akme out and said as a genocide? Do you accept that?

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Speaker 1: And if you do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what responsibility does the United States senator have

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Speaker 2: for this is a nation that you know we send

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Speaker 2: every year billions of dollars to a to aid that

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Speaker 2: you have, you know, voted for and supported. Like, what

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Speaker 2: responsibility does the United States senator have to prevent genocide

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Speaker 2: and to stop genocide that we see ongoing?

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Speaker 6: We have a responsibility up till today to ensure that

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Speaker 6: food is getting in?

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Speaker 1: Is that a genicide?

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Speaker 6: Don't starve? I don't know that I'd use that term.

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Speaker 6: What it is using it is violating the law of war.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you use the term though.

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Speaker 6: Because I think you know it's to me if it

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Speaker 6: is if do I think it's ethnic cleansing, which is

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Speaker 6: what I think of genocide? I don't know if it

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Speaker 6: meets that definition there?

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Speaker 3: Can you say it earlier that it was ethnic cleansing?

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Speaker 3: He said that they wanted to force I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is open from the Israeli government like they're saying it

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Speaker 3: there national security. They come out and they're like we

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Speaker 3: need we don't need shells we don't need we need els,

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Speaker 3: not food, and we need to encourage migration like.

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Speaker 6: They're saying, you're not going to get me to support

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Speaker 6: what the Israeli government is saying right now. I think

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Speaker 6: the point I was trying to make is it's not

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Speaker 6: just about like we have relationships with nations over time,

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Speaker 6: regardless of who their leaders are. We have really tough moments,

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Speaker 6: we have easier moments, but that doesn't So I'm not

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Speaker 6: willing to say that like I hate everything ever.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but so even if you accept that they're committing

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Speaker 2: a genocide, you still wouldn't cut off their aid.

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Speaker 6: I think that defensive aid and offensive aid are different things.

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Speaker 1: And I think at this point, so if they're.

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Speaker 2: Doing Germany single day, it's Nazi Germany said we want

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Speaker 2: defensive aid. I mean, it's just you have to see

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Speaker 2: where they're all weapons that are being shipped another.

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Speaker 6: Using the weapons that they're using right now. I mean,

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Speaker 6: to be honest, if you look at what's happening on

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Speaker 6: the ground, the military part of this conflict is for

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Speaker 6: the most part, over what they are doing.

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Speaker 1: What they are doing every single day around eight they

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Speaker 1: are hurting.

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Speaker 2: The people who weren't trust trying starving people, just trying

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Speaker 2: to get eight.

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Speaker 1: That is not how that's not high intensity bombs.

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Speaker 6: That's not the weapons that you that we were talking

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Speaker 6: about two years ago.

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Speaker 1: It's just not I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: Every single day the military reports that I read, they

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Speaker 6: are traditional like this is a military that has a

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Speaker 6: bad strategy.

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Speaker 1: It is not the bombs that we were seeing two years.

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Speaker 2: It's not a military that has a bad strategy. The

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Speaker 2: strategy is for starvation. That is not a head of

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Speaker 2: their strategy and their effect, and they're accomplishing it very effectively,

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Speaker 2: with the full backing of the United States government, including

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Speaker 2: sadly Democrats, and so a couple more questions than I

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Speaker 2: know you have to run. You know, I'm curious why

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Speaker 2: you condemned Rashida Talib for using the rally chan, you know,

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Speaker 2: from the river to the sea. Something she said for

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Speaker 2: her evokes equal rights. And you have not condemned Randy Fine,

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Speaker 2: who said that Gosen should quote starve away, who floated

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Speaker 2: that the Gaza strip should be nukes, who called Ilhan

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Speaker 2: Omar and Rashiita to leave and so on as well

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Speaker 2: called the Muslim terrorists, whereas.

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Speaker 6: Condemning I have no problem condemning Randy Fine, who I

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Speaker 6: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I don't know who that person is. I

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Speaker 6: have no problem condemning someone who talks like that.

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Speaker 3: Center. We have to ask your last question, because your

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Speaker 3: staff is telling us, do you think APAK should register

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Speaker 3: as a foreign lobby.

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Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to that. I think that

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Speaker 6: I know plenty of people who think they should.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't kind of a cop out answer

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Speaker 1: doing at that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I literally, I just guess I'd have to

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Speaker 6: look at the definition. I certainly, I certainly have had

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Speaker 6: my tough moments with that organization, and.

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Speaker 2: So you stop accepting their funding. You gotta get you

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Speaker 2: got to get your facts straight. I have not been

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Speaker 2: endorsed by APAK.

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Speaker 1: I have not. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: I was the first jew you were elected to the

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Speaker 6: Senate that was not endorsed by any Jewish group APEC J.

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Speaker 1: Street.

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Speaker 2: You've been the recipient of their funds.

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Speaker 6: In twenty eighteen when I first ran people who were members. Yes,

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Speaker 6: but I've not been endorsed since then. And I just

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Speaker 6: got to be honest, like, I think that this is

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Speaker 6: where facts really matter. I've had very, very difficult conversations

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Speaker 6: with my colleagues and that organization and made a choice

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Speaker 6: back in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty one, so that

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Speaker 6: was my the first time I was up for reelection.

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Speaker 6: So I understand that there's a sort of like again

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Speaker 6: cornered position. But to me, like I call balls and strikes,

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Speaker 6: as someone who served in the.

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Speaker 2: Middle East, I do I have one more question I

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Speaker 2: have to ask you. You know, we do the show,

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Speaker 2: I really do my best to try to uphold, like

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Speaker 2: you know, basic human rights, Palestinian humanity, oppose the killing

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Speaker 2: of innocent civilians wherever that happens, and I, as I

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Speaker 2: tell you, like, I feel really guilty that I'm not

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Speaker 2: doing enough. I think all the time about I'm a mom.

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Speaker 2: I think all the time about those moms who can't

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Speaker 2: feed their babies. Those babies are starving to death. And

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Speaker 2: I just want to know, like you're a United States senator,

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Speaker 2: you did vote for some of the bombs that were

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Speaker 2: dropped on refugee camps. Kids have been sniped in the head,

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Speaker 2: tense fire bombed, people set on fire, the entire Gaza

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Speaker 2: strip turned into rubble, and now we're seeing these emaciated

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Speaker 2: bodies of babies starving to death every day, and I

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Speaker 2: just I mean, I'm like, know what you can do?

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Speaker 2: Does it eat you up? Does it eat you up?

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Speaker 2: Do you think, like what more could I do? Do

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Speaker 2: you regret any of your votes?

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Speaker 1: I regret.

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Speaker 6: This morning a group of Jewish rabbis and Muslim community

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Speaker 6: leaders came together with a proposal that we are working on.

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Speaker 6: I'm just getting like, if we can't get other aid in,

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Speaker 6: at least get baby formula and nutritional supplements for children.

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Speaker 6: It let that be kind of a green light. Never

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Speaker 6: has a problem. No one's trying to eat baby formula

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Speaker 6: other than a baby, right. That is the proposal that

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Speaker 6: I've been working on all night and this morning. So

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Speaker 6: in terms of what we're trying to do, there's not

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Speaker 6: a moment that goes by that this isn't something that

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Speaker 6: I'm working on and something that my own community, not online,

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Speaker 6: but my own community has practical things that they want

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Speaker 6: to do. They're willing to raise the money, they're willing

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Speaker 6: to buy the formula, They're willing to do whatever we.

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Speaker 1: Need to do to get it shipped in.

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Speaker 6: That's how I spend my time, But that is how

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Speaker 6: it is to me that to me, is the most

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Speaker 6: effective thing that I can do today.

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Speaker 1: This is set a question.

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Speaker 3: Your staff is telling us you absolutely have to go.

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Speaker 3: So we appreciate your time. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: coming on.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: We will see you all tomorrow. Our counterpoints. We'll see

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Speaker 3: you all tomorrow.