1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Do you ever notice your neighbor's children or the children 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: you see at drop off or pick up at school? 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: Do you remember which one is which, which one didn't 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: have a coat on, which one looked disheveled or dirty? Well, 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: neighbors notice that little Tillor Rose always walked around the 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: apartment complex, pretty upscale apartment complex too, in the same 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: paint and purple pajamas, always carrying the same doll. Sometimes 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: even in the parking lot. They notice when they looked 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: through the family's sliding glass door that she would be 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: in there alone, never saw anyone else in there. But 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: then Tillor Rose goes missing. I Nancy Grace, This is 12 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories Crime Stories with Navly Grace. In the morning 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: hours of Wednesday, in November six jun Taylor was reported 14 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: missing from their family home on Ivy Street, located on 15 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: the north side of Jacksonville. So since that time, more 16 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: than three hundred officers and a host of assets from 17 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: our Canade Unit, Mounted Unit, Died Team Air Unit have 18 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: all responded to carry out various aspects of the search. 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: Officers have knocked on more than six hundred doors in 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: the last thirty hours in an attempt to gain some 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: additional information. I want to take a minute and say 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: that we're thankful for our partners in the community and 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: the surrounding counties who provided us with additional manpowered helping 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: these efforts. Our partners at Jackson Fire Rescue have been 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: assisting with various searches, and surrounding state, local, and federal 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: partners have sent search teams and are continuing to assist 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: in various aspects of this investigation. And here's what we know. 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: We know that Brianna Williams was the last person to 29 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: see Taylor, so we remain hopeful that we'll find Taylor. 30 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: We're not going to stop on our efforts to locator, 31 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: and there's not one scenario or theory that we're not exploring, 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: and every possibility is being looked at. Where is five 33 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: year old Taylor Rose Williams. I'm looking at her photo 34 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: right now and I just can't help but think about 35 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: the twins, John David and Lucy at age five, so tiny, 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: so helpless. What happened to this little girl? You were 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: just hearing the voice of our friend, Sheriff Mike Williams, who, 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: as you hear in his own words, really doing everything 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: they can knock you on over six hundred doors, pulling 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: out all the stops to find Taylor Rose Williams. I'm 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 42 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: with me, with us an all star panel, and I 43 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: can't be more sincere Ashley Wilcot with me judge, trial lawyer, 44 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: anchor Court TV. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot 45 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: dot com, Stephen Lampley, detective and author, outside your Door 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: on Amazon, joining me at John Professor, Columbia University, Doctor 47 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe Ellis forensics expert, Karen Smith, founder of Bear 48 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: Bones Consulting. But right now, to Crime online dot Com 49 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Lee Egan, Let's just start at the beginning. 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: Who is Taylor Rose Williams? Where was she last seen? 51 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Well, Taylor Rose Williams is a five year old 52 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: little girl supposedly last seen in the Rentwood area of Jacksonville. 53 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: What right there? You know? Maybe it's just me, but 54 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: when I hear the word supposedly seen Ashley Wilcott, that 55 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: just sets off all sorts of alarms in my head. 56 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Why don't you hear somebody says supposedly or according to 57 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: or well from what I know or even to be honest. 58 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: In other words, you're not honest other times. I mean, 59 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: when I hear supposedly last scene, that makes me think 60 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: it may not be true. Is it just me if 61 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: I've been in the courtroom wait too long? No, not 62 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: at all, because supposedly not seen, you know, to me, 63 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: that's like a piece of property something you sat down, 64 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: like I've that my cell phoned down. Well oh yeah, 65 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: well you know, supposedly I think it was over there 66 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: on the kitchen counter. That's not about a five year old. 67 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: A five year old is not something that no one 68 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: can say exactly when they were last seen. There should 69 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: be a definitive this is where this child was last 70 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about a missing five year old 71 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: little girl. And according to Lee Egan, La Lee, I 72 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: am so sorry. What were you saying? Supposedly seen where when? 73 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: November six, in the Brentwood area of Jacksonville is where 74 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: her mother, Brianna Williams, says she was last seen. But 75 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: Brianna is the only person that says that no one 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: else her family hasn't seen her in years. Neighbors hadn't 77 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: seen her in months, family hasn't seen her in years. Okay, 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: I've got a problem with that too. Guys, this is 79 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: exactly the kind of discussion you would hear at the 80 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: district attorney's office when we're trying to figure out a case, 81 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: or in the cops and the police station headquarters in 82 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: the hallway trying to make sense of something that seems illogical. 83 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: But to Stephen Lampley, detective author of Outside your Door, 84 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, when a child goes missing, what's the first 85 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: thing cops do? Want to ask you? There's a couple 86 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: of things that we do. First of all, we start 87 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: organizing a search. Part of your officers could begin looking 88 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: and canvassing the neighborhood. The second thing, we started looking 89 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: for potential suspects in case this is foul play. So 90 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: we're going to be doing a couple of things right 91 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: off the bat. So the due to those are the 92 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: two things we're looking at. Okay, this is what I know. 93 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: To Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder Barebones Consulting, when a 94 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: child goes missing, the first thing you do is immediately 95 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: searched the area where the child last was. And I've 96 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: told the story many times about when John Davy went 97 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: missing inside of a giant babies are us and I 98 00:05:54,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: was looking for don't judge me, organic sunscreen way down 99 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: on the bottom of a shelf which was at floor level. 100 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: So I was down there on my hands and knees, 101 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: looking literally and the shelves get way up above my reach. 102 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: I turned around. Lucy was there. John David was not. 103 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: So the first thing you do is sound the alarm, 104 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: which I did by screaming, to lock the doors and 105 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: start literally running, because a child, if they've got a 106 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: head start, can out run you. They can hide a 107 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: little nooks and crannies you would never think of. So 108 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: the very first thing you do is searched the area. 109 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: If it's a park, you got to look in all 110 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: of the plate equipment, you got to look in the 111 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: little fits. In a home, thinking back to the John 112 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: ban A Ramsey case, you got to look under every bed, 113 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: in every closet in the garage. In the cars, what 114 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: if she's playing in the car. My little nephew and 115 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: I would sit in the car for an hour pretending 116 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: we're driving to Savannah and back where he was living. 117 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: In that case, remember they didn't look down. Amazingly what 118 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: a coinkie. Dnk didn't look in the one room in 119 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the home where John ban a walk. Long story short, 120 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: you gotta start looking. Then when you don't find them, 121 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: you can't waste any time. You have to call police 122 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: immediately because if your child is where the predator in 123 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: a car, they're going sixty mph, that's right, and they're 124 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: sixty miles away in an hour, So help me out. Well, 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Nancy, that's exactly what we do. Unfortunately, 126 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: it takes time to put together these search teams. So 127 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: you have one or two responding officers. You put out 128 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: a bolow of be on the lookout. All the officers 129 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: from the area start swarming. They start formulating all kinds 130 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: of like cordening off the area, and they start searching 131 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: block after block after block, knocking on neighbors doors. And 132 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: at that point, if you don't find the child, after 133 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: you've looked in every nook and cranny, listen, minutes become 134 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: hours very very quickly. You can put out what's called 135 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: an amber alert. And if you sense that this child 136 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: has been abducted and that their life is in danger, 137 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: or that they are in some kind of other danger, 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: that is when the amber alert gets sounded. Okay, we'll 139 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: beat to Egan joining me investigative reporter with crime online 140 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 1: dot com, where you can find this in all other 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: breaking criming justice. And he's including the story about Taylor 142 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: Rose Willie was five years old, who goes missing? Lee, 143 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about their home. So she 144 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: was last seen in the home? Is it an apartment? 145 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: Is it a free standing structure. Is it a condo 146 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: attached to, you know, other town homes. Is it an 147 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: a gated community? What can you tell me? Does the 148 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: mother live alone? Does she drive back and forth to work? 149 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Where does this child in daycare? Tell me Lee? Everything? Okay, Well, 150 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: the last place that the neighbors saw the baby in 151 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,599 Speaker 1: was an apartment complex on the south side of Jacksonville 152 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: on November third. Wait, does that mean that's where they live? 153 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: They live in an apartment complex and near Jacksonville. They did, 154 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: they did? Okay, So whoa, whoa, whoa stop right there, 155 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: Steve Lampley. Okay, that gives me another problem. You got 156 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: a huge problem in an apartment complex. I'll tell you why, 157 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: because you're around. Depending on the size of the apartment, 158 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: every single person living there two hundred, three hundred, five 159 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: hundred inhabitants every one of them is a suspect. You 160 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: don't know if that child went out on the playground 161 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: or went to the swimming pool, or is just playing 162 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: outside on the back stoop. Anybody could take her in 163 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: an apartment complex, that's right, and that's a problem you've got. 164 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: You got immediately. You've got to, like you said, two, three, 165 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: four or five hundred homes to be looking at. That 166 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: is a challenge, especially if you have any small department. 167 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: Now Jacksonville, of course is not, but you have an 168 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: immediate issue right there with looking at you know, shovel 169 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: one hundred homes, and not just the homes. You've got 170 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: the laundry room, You've got the recreation area, you have 171 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: the playground, you have the pool, you have the pool house. 172 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on about where a 173 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: child could be missing if the family lives in an 174 00:09:51,400 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: apartment complex. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome back, hy 175 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 176 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: with us. The disappearance of Taylor Rose Williams has reverberated 177 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: throughout the Jacksonville community. What happened to the five year 178 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: old little girl, lasting apparently by mom Brianna or possibly 179 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: by neighbors. We were just speaking with Lee Egan, investigative 180 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: reporter with Crime online dot Com, who advised us that 181 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: they were living mom and baby living in an apartment complex. 182 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: But now we are learning the timeline shows that just 183 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: before baby Taylor goes missing, mommy moves from that apartment, 184 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: Lee egan to where did she move? She moved around 185 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: eighteen miles away to the Brentwood area of Jacksonville. And 186 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: when she moved, they moved into a single family home 187 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: in a neighbor hood, a lot less. I mean, it's 188 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: a neighborhood, so they have neighbors around that can you know, 189 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: see what's going on. But it wasn't as crowded and 190 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: jumbled in as the apartment complex was. Now I understand 191 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: Lee Egan that the mom moved to a house and 192 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: that after that move it's when Taylor Rose goes missing. 193 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: But Steve Lampley, detective and author of Outside Your Door, 194 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: what do the neighbors in the apartment complex say, Nancy? 195 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: They several neighbors in the complex would see this little 196 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: girl walking around the complex now five years old, Nancy, 197 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: five years old, walking around the complex by herself. They 198 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: would look in the apartment sometimes and see this girl 199 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: from all appearances in the apartment by herself. This girl 200 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: was left along you mean through the sliding glass door. Yes, 201 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: they would single through the sliding glass door by herself, 202 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: apparently with no adult supervision whatsoever. So they don't know 203 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: that from the outside looking in, they just see the 204 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: girl in there through the sliding glass door. So she 205 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: must be on I guess the ground level in the 206 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: apartment complex. Now you're telling me that the neighbors would 207 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: see her through the sliding glass door, but then suddenly 208 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: one day they didn't see her anymore. Take a listen 209 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: to our friends at CBS News is Maria Villareal. Over 210 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: the weekend, Taylor's family moved out of this apartment complex. 211 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: Tiffany Nicole says she helped them Sunday. The whole forty 212 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: five minutes we were there loading things up. I never 213 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: once saw a child. It is strange because I'm like, 214 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: I didn't even know she had a little girl. Investigators 215 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: are asking anyone who's seeing Taylor with her mother in 216 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: the area in the last six months to call police. 217 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: So we remain hopeful that we'll find Taylor. We're not 218 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: going to stop at our efforts to locate her. Marianna 219 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Williams is a petty officer stationed with the Navy here 220 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, but most of her family is in Alabama, 221 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: and that's why Florida authorities are working with law enforcement 222 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: in Alabama. Right now, Okay, I've got a problem. Actually, 223 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: as you might say, I've got many, many problems, but 224 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: right now my problem is that someone helping them on move, 225 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: a friend of Brianna Williams, did not know she had 226 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: a child. Didn't know she had a daughter. Did I 227 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: hear that correctly, Lee Egan? Isn't that what the guy 228 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: just said. I didn't even know she had a daughter, 229 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: That's correct. I'm not sure if they were friends or acquaintances, 230 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: because I know that Brianna hire these people to help her, 231 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: so I don't know if she took out an ad 232 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: to hire them or they were friends. But whoever they were, 233 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: they didn't do They never saw the child, not even one. 234 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Now that's interesting to doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, who is 235 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: a professor at Columbia University. Psychologist Doctor Debbie, and I 236 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: don't mean to do this, but I don't think I 237 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: can have a full I guess I could if I tried, 238 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: but I don't recall a full on conversation with anyone 239 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: over a period of thirty minutes. Let's say that I 240 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: don't bring up the twins, one of them or both 241 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: of them. When you have a child and they play 242 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: such a big role in your life, I find that 243 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: very odd that you don't even mention them, or a 244 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: friend doesn't know you have children, or movers don't notice 245 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: they're moving baby stuff or children's clothing or furniture or toys. 246 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean that it would take somebody forever to cart 247 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: out all the twins stuff out of our place. How 248 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: could the movers not know she had a daughter? Yeah, 249 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy. It's unusual, it's alarming, and 250 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: it's a huge red flag because a healthy mother, in 251 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: other words, a woman who is a mother, who doesn't 252 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: have severely disturbing issues, would share about ardents that there 253 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: was a child or children in her life. And one 254 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: of the things that strikes me as I've been listening 255 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: to you and your guests, is I'm seeing and hearing 256 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: social isolation and and that it's becoming more and more 257 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: a norm where people in a community don't bother to 258 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: get to know a neighbor, don't talk to them. It 259 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: seems this is increasingly a new Norman. And what society 260 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: seems to be hungry for, if our goal is to 261 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: care for our children and adult individuals, is to restore 262 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: a norm of social interest where we do become aware. 263 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: You know, I noticed some publicity for this new Tom 264 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: Hanks film about mister Rogers, and that was one of 265 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: his popular messages. Let's teach children to care for others 266 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: so that when they're adults, they care about others. You 267 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: know what, You're right, doctor Dabby Joffe Ellis. And I'm 268 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: certainly not into any possession to argue with an adjunct 269 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: professor at Columbia University. Oh sure you are. I'm a 270 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: human too argue with men. But okay, since you asked, 271 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, all that is true, and all that 272 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. How could this quirrel? According to the 273 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: court documents we've managed to obtain, and you can read 274 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: about them at crime Alone dot com, a neighbors says 275 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: in court documents that they observed Tylor Rose home alone 276 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: at least every other day, and she was always wearing 277 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: the same pajamas and always holding the same doll. Now, 278 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm okay with holding the same doll because I had 279 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: a Missus Beasley and I love that doll so much. 280 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: I also had a Thumbelina, and mysteriously they both went missing. 281 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to those dolls, but after that, 282 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: I just tore the heads off my sister's barbies. Probably 283 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: something to do with the you're what concerned about you? 284 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: I am too, I'm sure now in retrospect that means 285 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: something very serious. Ashley Willcot holding the same doll doesn't 286 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: bother me, but always in the same Pja's neighbors see 287 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: her out and about alone, unattended, every other day. Here's 288 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: my hope, is that, or wish, is that they had 289 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: called someone about that, call the police for a welfare check. 290 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: Because remember, this child, this daughter, this beautiful little girl, 291 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: is only five. And to see a child of that 292 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: age unintended, unattended once maybe, but multiple times, all of 293 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: the time, hearing the child by themselves, unsupervised, same clothes, 294 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: all of those things amount to neglect in my opinion. 295 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: Well another thing, and this is breaking my heart. I 296 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: hate to even say it. When people would approach the 297 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: little girl walking around the parking lot. I said, what 298 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: are you doing in the parking lot and she's say, 299 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking for my mommy, looking for my mommy. They 300 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: are two, way, way too many red flags in this scenario. 301 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: Anybody could have taken this child out of the parking lot. 302 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: But I want you now to listen to what we've 303 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: learned from our friends at CBS forty seven, Fox thirty. 304 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: This is Courtney Cole talking. Brianna Williams didn't report Taylor's 305 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: disappearance until asked Wednesday, November sixth, but a former neighbor 306 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: told the detective the last time he saw Brianna and 307 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: Taylor together was May twenty first, but before that he's 308 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: seen a little girl wandering alone several times. Brianna tried 309 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: to tell police her mother in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, was taking 310 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: care of Taylor unless she drove down there on Halloween 311 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: to pick her up, but it turns out William's mother 312 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: hadn't seen little Taylor Rose since January twenty nineteen. In fact, 313 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: the maternal and paternal grandparents said they hadn't seen Taylor 314 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: Rose any more than a year. Detectives also asked about 315 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: childcare over the last few months, and according to the reports, 316 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: Brianna told police Taylor had been attending daycare at Nasjacks. 317 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: Then she said she had a schedule change that caused 318 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: her to pull Taylor from regular daycare. Warren says Taylor 319 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: previously attended kindergarten daycare, So we stopped by the facility 320 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: closest to where Brianna lived on Jacksonville South Side. When 321 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: I went inside to ask if they could confirm Taylor 322 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Rose came to this facility at the front desk told 323 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: me she didn't recognize the girl and didn't remember seeing her. 324 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace and a neighbor here at 325 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: Southside Villas actually told investigators that he would see little 326 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Taylor Rose alone every other day. She would often wave 327 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: to him from her apartment, and he said he noticed 328 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: she always had on those same pajamas with that same 329 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: little doll. A neighbor of Rihanna's only identified and this arrest. 330 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: Warren as a b told detectives the first time he 331 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: noticed Taylor Rose wandering Southside Villas alone was on April seventeenth. 332 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: It was eight or nine in the morning, and a 333 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: little girl told him she was quote looking for my mama, 334 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: so he took a little girl back to her apartment. 335 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: He said she was wearing the same purple and pink 336 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: pajamas her mother claims she was wearing we should Disappear. 337 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: Last week. He described the inside of the apartment as 338 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: cluttered with trash bags and boxes stacked on top of 339 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: each other. Aby said he also noticed Taylor alone again 340 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: two more times in May. The last time he saw 341 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: Taylor and Brianna together was on May twenty first. When 342 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Aby asked Brianna where the child was, she told him 343 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: with her grandparents in Alabama. He told investigators he had 344 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: not seen any visitors or boyfriends at the apartment. That's 345 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: her friend, Courtney Cole at CBS forty seven, Fox thirty reporting, 346 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at a picture of Taylor Rose Williams 347 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: is five years old right now, and she's clutching a 348 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: little pillow that says taller one and it's covered with 349 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: pictures of doctor McStuffins. I don't know if you know 350 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: who that is. It's I think she's on PBS, but 351 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: she's a lady doctor that fixes everybody and drives around 352 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: in a mobile unit. And she's just clutching that her 353 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: little brown brown eyes, just looking out with a big 354 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: smile on her face. She's got a little old pink 355 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: Baret's her hair. It's so easy for a child to 356 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: just slip through the cracks. The kindergarten doesn't know what 357 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: happened to her, or the school doesn't know, the daycare 358 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: doesn't know. It saw up to the parent and the 359 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: parents not taking care of the child. There's really no 360 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: record before they're in first grade as to where they are. 361 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: We are talking about a five year old little girl, 362 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: Teller Rose Williams, and you hear from a neighbor the 363 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: state of the interior of that apartment, and that neighbor 364 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: goes on to say that he had thank goodness, he 365 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: was kind and well wishing, because anybody could have taken 366 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: that child and molested and killed her. Mom would have 367 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: known she out wandering in the parking lot, her pj's 368 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: clutching a dog. All. He took her back to the 369 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: apartment and saw inside and that it was not a 370 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: good living condition for this little girl. The mom was 371 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: a chief petty officer in the military. She's making good money. 372 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: To Ashley Wilcot, you know, the neighbor has commented several 373 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: times she was always wearing the same Pejason, always holding 374 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: the same doll. You know, when I dropped the children off, 375 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: I notice who, for instance, in cold weather, is still 376 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: wearing shorts. I notice who doesn't have a coat on. 377 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: I notice when I'm over there for whatever reason, which 378 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: children look dirty or disheveled, or their hair's not done. 379 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: Or I hear at the supper table who never has 380 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: a snack? Who the children gives their snacks too, because 381 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: they're not packed one. You know, people know what's going on, 382 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: whether they're told point blank or not. Ashley. That's what 383 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: bothers me so much in this case, and that is 384 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: any There were so many different red flags. People knew, 385 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: people suspected, they should have done something, They should have reported. 386 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: We know statistically a lot of times people will not 387 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: report because they don't want to get involved. They don't 388 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: want to deal with the system, the breureaucracy, the DHR, 389 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: the agency that protects children, the law enforcement. They're afraid. 390 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: But the reality is, had someone one person, one person, 391 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: Nancy stepped up, like you said, who knew this child 392 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: was wandering looking for her mother, living in a house 393 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: and deplorable conditions? If one person had stepped up, I 394 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: promise you we would have this child. Now take a 395 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: listen to Maria Villareality CBS. Brianna Williams said when she 396 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: woke up Wednesday morning, her daughter was gone, but the 397 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: sheriff is now saying there are some inconsistencyats in her story. 398 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Search teams have knocked on more than six hundred doors, 399 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: looking inside dumpsters, and divers scouring a nearby lake hoping 400 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: to find five year old Taylor Williams, and while nothing 401 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: substantial has been found, a volunteer say they don't want 402 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: to give up until they find out what happened to her. 403 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: We know that Brianna Williams was the last person to 404 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: seat Taylor and we need for her to cooperate with 405 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Williams, says Taylor's Mombrianna was initially working with police, 406 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: but is now no longer cooperating. We were talking to 407 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: her about some inconsistencies in her statement and that's what 408 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: she chose to stop cooperating. Lillister, the young girl's mother, 409 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: reportedly told police when she woke up Wednesday morning, Taylor 410 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: wasn't in her bedroom and the back door was open, 411 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: but Sheriff Williams as investigators do not believe the five 412 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: year old walked away from the home. Interesting, why do 413 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: they believe the five year old did not walk away 414 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: from the home to Karen Smith, forensics expert, founder of 415 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: Bare Bones Consulting in Florida, Karen, first of all, I 416 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: would order forensic testing inside the apartment and inside the home, 417 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: both of them. And yes, the apartment may have been 418 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: claimed and a new family living there, but that doesn't 419 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: mean that trace evidence invisible to the naked eye is 420 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: not still on walls or surface as well as the home. 421 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: Where do they go right now? And why do you 422 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: believe cops don't think she just walked to have an 423 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: open door for Pete say she's done it repeatedly because 424 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: mommy wasn't watching her. Well, that's true, but you have 425 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: inconsistent statements from the mother, Brianna Williams. That's their first clue. 426 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: She started spinning a story. And you know, good detectives. 427 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: I worked with all these people. I know they're good detectives. 428 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: They're dad gum good at what they do. And the 429 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: first time that Brenna Williams started spinning that story is 430 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: the first time they went, hold on a minute. They're 431 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: going to look for any type of fourth century on 432 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: that rear door. If they didn't find any, that's a clue. 433 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: They're going to go into her bedroom. Did they find 434 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: any evidence that there was a struggle, there's a clue. 435 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: They're going to go back to that apartment. And you're right, 436 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: if it's been re rented, and likely it has. It's 437 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: a very busy part of Jacksonville. But even if it's 438 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: been re rented, if that child was harmed in that apartment, 439 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: you know what they do to apartments when they rerent them. 440 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: They might vacuum the carpet and run a real quick 441 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: cleaner over it, but they're not going to go over 442 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: it with a fine tooth comb. Anytime you move into 443 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: one of those apartments, you have to clean it yourself 444 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: because it's still grows and it's still got remnant to 445 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the person before it. And that's what I'm hoping is 446 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: that there's remnants before that trace evidence. God forbid that 447 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: there's any blood in that apartment. But if there is, 448 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: we have chemicals and we have testing that we can 449 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: use to find that. So they're going to these forensic 450 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: detectives that I worked with are going to be very 451 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: very busy. They have not one, not two, not three. 452 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: They probably have four or five prime scenes to work 453 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: at this point, Nancy, and it's going to be a long, 454 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: long road in front of them. Well, you actually lived 455 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: in the very same apartment complex, Karen Smith, What can 456 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: you tell me I did. It's three story apartments, and 457 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: you know a lot of times when you have apartments 458 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: they're squished together. These aren't. They're very spread apart the 459 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: apartment buildings themselves. So when you say neighbors getting to 460 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: know neighbors, you literally have to walk across the entire 461 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: parking lot to get to the next building. So yeah, 462 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: maybe neighbors in a building would know each other, but you're, 463 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, from building thirty two to thirty one, you're 464 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: talking a fifty yard walk. It's a very very large complex. 465 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: So that unnerves me a little bit. And thank goodness 466 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: that the person in the affid David, found the little 467 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: girl and placed her back. But like Ashley Wilcott said, 468 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: I wish that somebody had reported seeing this little girl alone. 469 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: And you know what really makes me mad, I was 470 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: also stationed at NAS Jacksonville when I was in the military. 471 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: They have every single resource that you could possibly imagine 472 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: on that base. It's huge, it's enormous. There's daycare, there's dentists, 473 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: there's medical there is everything that Brianna Williams would have 474 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: needed to care for that little girl. And if she's 475 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: stationed at Commander eleven, which she was, I was at 476 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: forty nine in the same hangar. I can tell you 477 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: right now that even though the military you're once you're 478 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: in there, they've got you, but they're not going to 479 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: give you a schedule that is going to be incompatible 480 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: with caring for a five year old little girl. They 481 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: knew she had a little girl. That schedule change that 482 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: raised a red flag for me because I don't think 483 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: the military would give her an overnight shift if that's 484 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: what she was referring to, if she has to care 485 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 1: for a little girl. So all of these things to 486 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 1: me make no sense at all. Take a listen to 487 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: our friend Anthony Austin at Fox thirty. The Jacksonville Sheriff's 488 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: Office says Taylor's mother, Brianna Williams. Brianna Williams is now 489 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: considered a person of interest in this case. We heard 490 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Williams say that earlier today, the sheriff says 491 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: that Brianna Williams is not cooperating with the investigation and 492 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: has not spoken with investigators. Also, investigators have narrowed down 493 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: the window of when they're looking for information about when 494 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: Taylor was last seen last week. The sheriff's office says 495 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: she could have been seen last May. However, today they're 496 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: looking specifically in the last two weeks. Jacksonville Sheriff Mike 497 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: Williams confirms the child's mother, Brianna Williams, is now named 498 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: a person of interest. We feel pretty comfortable that this 499 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: is the right step to take and to bring some 500 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: closure to this case. The Sheriff's office will not say 501 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: exactly when Williams may have traveled to Alabama. She is 502 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: a two thousand and ten graduate of Lyndon High School. 503 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: Terry Randall finds his property at the center of a 504 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: two day search effort. And I'll never use that road 505 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: again that I don't think about that. I'll have to 506 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: go by there every time I go in my property 507 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: right there, and I'll think about that. And it's just 508 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: not a good failing. And while Randall is hoping for 509 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: the best hopefully they find the girl alive somewhere else. 510 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: He fears the worst. Williams remains uncooperative. According to investigators, 511 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: they will not reveal any evidence they may have found 512 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: during today's search. They are asking anyone who may have 513 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: seen Taylor and Brianna Williams in the last two weeks 514 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: to call nine one one. You're hearing our friend Elizabeth 515 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: Lane at ABC thirty three forty and it disturbs me 516 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: deeply that they are looking down a dirt road in Momopolis, Alabama. 517 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: Now you know they were living in Jacksonville, Florida. This 518 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: is about five hundred miles away. Demopolis may not have 519 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: ever heard of it. It's the largest city of Marango County, Alabama, 520 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: but it's only about eight thousand people. What else do 521 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: we know about Demopolis? Is there around the Black Warrior 522 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: and the Tombegee Rivers. It's a small area, not a 523 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: lot of people in and out, not too close to 524 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: an interstate. So why is Brianna Williams going back to Demopolis? 525 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: Lee Egan with me Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. 526 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: What is in Demopolis that draws Brianna Williams? That's where 527 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: she's from? That's her hometown. She graduated a high school there, 528 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: her family lives around the area, so I'm guessing it 529 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: was an area she knew. Well, you know, I find 530 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: that to be true in so many cases, Steve Lampley, detective, 531 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: author of Outside Your Door. People go to commit a 532 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: crime where they feel comfortable. For instance, look at Scott Peterson. 533 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: He's a fisher. Okay, so what did he do. He 534 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: murders his pregnant wife, Lacy in their home on Covina 535 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: Avenue of Modesto, then takes her dead body all the 536 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: way to San Francisco Bay, goes out fishing and dumps 537 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: her body. That's true in so many cases, and people 538 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: go back to the scene of the crime. It's instinctive. 539 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: So what do you make Steve Lampley, I've heard going 540 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: back home to Demopolis. Let answer, You're correct some of 541 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: so many people. So many criminals will go back to 542 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: the scene of the crime, but excuse to the place 543 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: where they're comfortable. I guess it's a sense of a 544 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: quote unquote comfort. And it disturbs me that the fact 545 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: that she's been incooperative with the police. At one point 546 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: one of her stories didn't match up the girl has disappeared. 547 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: There's so many indicators here that to me, as I'm 548 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: an investigator, this woman was involved at least in some 549 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: part at this little girl's disappearance. That's my take. And 550 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: then a stunning turn of events in a search for 551 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: a little Taylor arose. Search teams uncovered the remains of 552 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: the child in a wooded area in Alabama. Teams on 553 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: the ground there are working on recovering the victim, and 554 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: while indications are that this may be Taylor Williams, the 555 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: exact identification of the victim will be made penning some 556 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: detailed forensic analysis of those remains. Brianna Williams, the mother 557 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: of Taylor Williams, has been arrested this evening on charges 558 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: of child neglect and giving false information to investigators during 559 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: the search for Taylor. The suspect has been absentee booked 560 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: at a local hospital after being admitted today due to 561 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: an apparent overdose of some sort. Wow, you're hearing Jacksonville's 562 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike Williams press conference alerting everyone that remains found 563 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: on a dirt road and mom plus Brianna Williams hometown 564 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: the mother, but not only that, we hear the mother, 565 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: who has not been cooperating with police, tried to commit 566 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: suicidely egan what happened. Brianna was staying on Bass and 567 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: she was under suicide watch while she was there, but 568 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: apparently somehow she ingested something and tried to take her 569 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: own life. You know when you hear that, Stephen Lampley, 570 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: I understand a mother grieving and being beside herself that 571 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: her daughter's remains have been found. But I would think 572 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: she would want to give the daughter a funeral and 573 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 1: find out who killed the daughter, how she ended up 574 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: on a dirt road in Mimi's hometown. Of course, you wouldn't, Nancy, 575 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: you would unless you knew you were involved. And according 576 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: to the information that I read, could dabber dogs picked 577 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: up a cent on the trunk of her car, of 578 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: the mother's car. So yeah, you're right, you would want 579 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: to see your child off in the proper fashion. You 580 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: would want to find justice for your child, unless you 581 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: were involved. To doctor Debbie Joffe, Ellis Adjunct professor at 582 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: Columbia Psychologists, what about her behavior, I mean, wouldn't she 583 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: want to know who killed her daughter if she was 584 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: in a rational state of mind? Yes, but there's a 585 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: ton of evidence that even before her hearing this news, 586 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: she wasn't thinking in rational ways according to the way 587 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: she was behaving. So we can't assume when a tragedy 588 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 1: like this happens that a person will want what someone 589 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: in a healthy state of mind, even though they're in 590 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: agonizing grief, will want. We don't know her mental state, 591 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: but from the behavior, it was not in a healthy state. 592 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: To ask Wilcot judge, trial lawyer anchor at Court TV. 593 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: You can find her at ASCU Wilcott dot com. Way 594 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: in Ashley, you know exactly the same thing. There's so 595 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: much evidence in this case that this is not a 596 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: typical quote unquote or average better word mother right caring 597 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: for her child. Rather there's something else going on. She's 598 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: in the military, but yet listen to the conditions of 599 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: the home deplorable. Listen to how many times this child 600 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: was seen outside looking for her mother. I don't know 601 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: what else it is with this mother, whether it's mental health, 602 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: substance abuse, domestic violence, who knows what it is. But 603 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: there's so many red flags pointing to the fact that 604 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,399 Speaker 1: this was not an average mother taking care of her child. Rather, 605 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: she neglected to the appoint of abuse, and I personally 606 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: believe that she must know something about what happened to her. 607 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: The mother of five year old Taylor Roised Williams charged 608 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: after attempting suicide after human remains are discovered in the 609 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: search for her missing child. Brianna Williams, the mother of 610 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: missing Taylor, was charged with child neglect and giving false 611 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: information to police. Where does it stand now, Lee Egan, Well, 612 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 1: right now they're waiting to identify them. They were child 613 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: remains there. The police believe it's Taylor Williams, but they 614 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: need official confirmation and until then they can't really say 615 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: how she died or even where she died. And I 616 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: think once they get that information, we'll find out where 617 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: they go from their first charges. We wait as justice unfolds, 618 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: but I can't help but wonder how did this child 619 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: slip through the cracks of our system? Not reported missing 620 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: from school, not reported missing from daycare. The father hadn't 621 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: seen her in two years, the grandparents hadn't seen her 622 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: in a year, and nobody said a word. Nancy Grace 623 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off goodbye friend