WEBVTT - Maye vs. Daniels, McCarthy vs. Rattler and The Top Draft Class Prospects | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:02.720 In today's episode of Tickets to the Draft Podcast, we 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.800 talk JJ McCarthy why the wise is it just a 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.200 smoke schien or is there something actually there? And we 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.920 talk about the rattler. He's gaining momentum in the second 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.640 or third round. What is his value there? We talk 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.400 about our top five at every offensive position, and we 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.439 have some very interesting research on the quarterback position. It 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:27.240 could be the difference. It all starts right now. Welcome 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:28.800 to the Ticket of the Draft podcast. Pers there by 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.720 Seekeeek the official primary ticket partner of the Washington Commanders. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:33.879 I'm Logan Pulson here with just a guy, Jason, and 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.400 we as always are talking draft contact. But like with 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.360 every draft, you can't escape the quarterback discussion. It's always there. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.000 Here it is done dun dug. Specifically, two issues, right, Jason, 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:46.720 we're gonna talk about today. We're going to talk about 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.400 two guys in particular. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.520 JJ McCarthy and bencer Radd. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:51.000 That's right. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.320 These are names that, like, I don't know if they're 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.520 gonna be linked to the Commanders. I mean there's some 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.480 talk about JJ, but they're just names that are out 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.720 there right now. They're the hot top to talk about 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.480 it quarterback. It seems like the top three it consensus 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:08.760 top three, Caleb may Daniels. They've been talked about enough, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.280 so now the media is switching into McCarthy and Rattler 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.360 and trying to dive into them. So we're going to 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.240 do that for I don't know, maybe the commanders take 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:17.600 one of them. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.360 Yeah, maybe we'll touch on it just in case. I 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.200 think that's the thing. Man is like, like, let's start 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:24.480 with McCarthy, I think, And you know, like the smoke 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.000 stream thing, I think is interesting because there probably is 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.800 an element of that. But all I know is that 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.560 when I watched the film, and when I watch, like 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.800 there's a cut up online, I forget who put it 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.520 out there, but it's every one of his throws from Michigan, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.560 So all the good ones, all the bad ones, and 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.280 I just can't stop watching it. I think I sent 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.080 it to you the other day. Right. It's it's one 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.160 of those things where you see the timing, you see 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.240 the anticipation, you see the arm talent, you see his 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.600 ability to kind of manipulate defenses with his eyes, and 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.760 that's stuff that I think is high level NFL quarterback stuff. Now, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.640 is he a sure fire thing. Absolutely not. Like he 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.040 has a hard time throwing to his left. He tends 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.160 to overstride going that way, or when he's booting to 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.600 his right, he consistently boots to his right as opposed 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:07.240 to his left, so like he has a kind of 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.440 a habit of doing that. Right. He doesn't know how 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.840 to layer throws all the time. There's issues there. But 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.639 when you watch, you say, man, it's it's not one 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.720 to one because college is so different than the NFL. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.520 But you see a lot of transferable throws, and you 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.679 see a lot of transferable talent, and you see a 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.560 guy that's more athletic than a lot of people think, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.160 and you see a guy that's more competitive I think 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.760 than people think. And I think all of those factors 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.960 to me kind of we're going to talk about our 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.160 quarterback rankings here in a little bit, kind of pushing 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.360 him up my board as a guy with a really low, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.959 really high floor. You know, I think he gets in 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.919 the right system, Like everyone's talking about him maybe going 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.160 to Minnesota. That seems like the right kind of fit form. Right, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.240 He's going to run this kind of heavy play action offense. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:47.560 They're going to run the footba they're going to a 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.880 lot of keepers where he's out of the pocket. Using 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.520 that athleticism. He adds a little bit of seasoning when 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.080 it comes to kind of his ability to do the 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.040 quarterback RPO type stuff. I think that plays at the 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.359 NFL level, but it kind of makes sense to me. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.000 I don't know where you fall out, though, Jason, like, 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:03.880 how do you feel about it? 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:04.480 Well? 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.600 I feel like you said something on our last episode 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.360 when you talk with some PFF guys, specifically with Sam Munson, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.600 that they even called out on their show, The PFF 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.359 NFL Show. They were like, oh, Logan Paulson made a 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.600 great point about JJ McCarthy, and you did, and it 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.960 was that while it's not a perfect one to one, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.320 you get more one to one tape with McCarthy than 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.919 any of the other quarterbacks because they run that pro 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.040 style offense. They run the mesh concepts and whatnot, so 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:37.400 you actually see it happening more than you see with 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.960 the other quarterbacks. So it's easier to be like, oh, 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.240 I feel good about that because I'm seeing it with 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:43.960 my eyeballs. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.160 I'm not projecting it. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.960 And it's not even really like it's not even the concept. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:49.880 It's like the style. It's like how they run it, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.520 because a lot of people will run mesh, they'll run 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.600 like a dig and it clearly run dagger is what 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.400 I call it. But it's how he throws it. It's 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.040 like on time, it's on rhythm. It's the these tight windows. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.360 He's like putting it in between defenders. He's throwing with anticipation, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.760 and so I think stylistically it also feels right too, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.160 because you're getting the you're getting the NFL concept, which 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.280 a lot of teams run college concept NFL concept. There's 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.800 a lot of crossover there, but you're getting the concept crossover, 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.839 but you're also you're getting an execution crossover, which to 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.200 me it's like, oh, this is this is a Sunday throw. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.160 And I just find myself with him saying that all 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.880 the time, and I think that it kind of makes 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.880 you fall in love with it because the projection becomes 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.920 that much easier. Because does that makes sense? 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.240 Yeah, And you're always talking about what you want to 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.520 do in the draft, as most gms, what they're trying 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.320 to do in a draft is risk aversion, right, So 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.960 if I can see it, then I would rather In 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.680 some instance there's there's something pulling at them. I would 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.200 rather take that than the projection. When this end, well 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.000 maybe he can do it. So that's why I think 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.560 McCarthy's kind of moving up these boards because gms and 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.400 scouts are looking at going like, oh well, I feel 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.720 more comfortable in my evaluation being correct here. There's less 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.880 risk with JJ McCarthy. Now does that mean the ceilings 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:04.200 is high? 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:04.800 I don't know. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.520 But so my question, I want to go back for 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.240 a second about the smoke screen idea. Oh yeah, so 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:17.839 once players have or gms have this evaluation on JJ McCarthy, 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.000 why would a smoke screen come in? Like why would 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.000 Washington do that? What's the are other teams doing that? 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.360 Do you think that this is like a couple of 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.040 teams I don't want to say like getting together and 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.719 like oh we're going to do this, but like a 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.840 couple of teams at want quarterbacks all saying well, let's 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.120 all say JJ McCarthy. Maybe that throws someone off the 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.880 scent that Drake may may then fall to us, right, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.919 so maybe like maybe the Giants right would be like 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.719 Drake may falls to the Giants, like they'd be super thrilled. 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.400 Yeah, So I think with the smoke screen thing. I 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.279 think if you so. For example, I think if you 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.359 pulled everyone in the NFL, I think you'd probably have 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.360 you know, most people would say Caleb Williams is one, 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.320 but then the two three, four guys probably get a 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.200 little bit mixed up depending on who you talk to, 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.560 because you talk to somebody and they'll say may Is 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.880 you know, he's a bomb, He's the next brock Asswiler. Right. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:05.599 I don't feel that way, but like, there are people 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.880 that you can find they would say that, right. Or 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.520 you know, JJ McCarthy's the you know, he's the most 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.320 polished quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck. Like, I don't agree 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.159 with that either, but you hear people that say that, right. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.599 So I think if there's three guys in the mix, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.200 and one of those one of those other teams, let's 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.200 just take Minnesota because they're like the most likely trade 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.960 up category. Right. Let's say let's say JJ is my 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.400 number one guy, and now all of a sudden, Washington's 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.040 talking about them at two. Maybe that sweetens the trade 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.599 offer for Washington because that's their guy. Right, So let 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.600 me just said, hey, you know, we know other teams 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.200 might like this guy. We're all so interested in them. Now, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:38.919 what are you gonna do if you want one of 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:40.920 these three guys? You want to ensure you get these 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.480 three guys. We are the person you have to deal with, right, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.000 because you're you're not gonna be able to deal with 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:46.800 just New England. You're not gonna be able to deal 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.000 with just Arizona, because we might actually take the guy 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:49.760 that you want. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.440 So I'm a younger brother. I have two older brothers, okay, right, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.279 and back in the day, we used to go to 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:56.599 Blockbuster Video thrun a. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.320 Movie referenced by you excellent, and my. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.359 Brothers would go up and I would say, oh, I 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.240 want to rent. We each got the rent one movie. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.719 And I go up and I say I want I 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.680 want Jurassic Park. And my older brother would be like, no, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.640 I want Jurassic Park. Get out of here, pick a 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.560 different movie. This is my movie. I'll watch it when 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.000 I want with my friends. You're not invited. And it 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.360 was very much of like this kind of bullying right 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.280 to get me. It just made me want Dress Park 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:22.880 more and more and more and more and more. Right, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.320 And then I would go complain in my mind. Now, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.600 obviously I'm a child, but I think this is kind 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.120 of the same thing, right, like you like you were 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.440 saying Minnesota, Oh, well, we kind of like JJ McCarthy 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.040 and then the Big Brother and the room the commanders 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.720 are like, well we like them, right, So if you 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.160 really want them, you may have to talk to us. 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:42.480 Yeah, you may have to talk to us. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.720 And if we're nice about it, right, and you know, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.520 being nice about it means give me three first round picks, right, 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.480 you know something like that. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.960 So yeah, that's what I think. That's what the point 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.400 of the smoke screen stuff is. Now. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.440 I don't know if we're gonna take JJ McCarthy or 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.720 not here. I mean, maybe we will, maybe we won't, 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.160 But it like that's what some of these top teams 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.080 are doing with him and why he's getting so much 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:04.760 talk right now. 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.880 I think so. But I also think it's it's weird 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.080 because I also think it's justified. And I think it 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.520 depends on how you look at the process and agin 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.920 we're gonna talk about our quarterback stuff later. But like 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.040 Drake may probably has the highest ceiling of the next 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.960 group of guys after Caleb Williams, right, extremely high ceiling, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.240 you know, Ella says like low floors is jayde and 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.480 Daniel or High Floors is Jade Daniels and JJ McCarthy. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.600 So if you're if you're an evaluator and that risk 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.480 aversion is important to you and you don't have a 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.960 plan for developing Drake May, necessarily you're going to lean 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.520 towards those guys. So I don't think it's totally unrealistic 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.120 and especially and this is one of those things that 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.559 I wanted to bring up, like it's it's really frustrating 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.440 for me as a talent evaluator because I've seen JJ 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.640 Pennix and Nick's throw in person, but I haven't seen 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.839 Jane danielsrow in person. And I have not seen Drake 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.160 maythrown person. But I think of the guys that I've seen, 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.080 Jane and Daniel or not je JJ McCarthy has the 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.679 best arm outside of Joe Milton that I've seen, right, 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.840 And so I'm as far as our strength arm strength, 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.280 So I'm like really high on his arm talent, But 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.160 would i be higher on the other guy's arm talent 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.920 if I'd seen them throw in person? So it's one 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.240 of those things where it's like it's there's there's levels 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.160 to this, right, So I think I'm actually higher on 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.400 JJ's arm talent, and I think he's got more upside. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.680 But it's it's it's all. It's all a matter of 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.800 perspective and opinion, and I think that's where it's like. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.120 So for me, these three guys, depending on who you 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.800 talk to, you could probably get someone to say this 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.640 is my guy, And all you need is one team 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.680 or two teams to say JJ's the second best quarterback. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.120 Because that not the opportunity to trade up becomes more real. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.520 I guess I wonder if the response to this smoke 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.080 screen with JJ and all these quarterback talks at the 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.840 top is a team like Minnesota saying like, you know what, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.800 we're cool, we'll just take the Rattler. Yeah, the right, 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.160 which is I think why he's getting a lot of 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.000 push right now. There is a lot of talk about 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:56.240 Spencer Ratler not going high, but teams being like, you 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:00.559 know what, he's got enough traits second round, We're fine 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.440 with that, right. So with that, do you think that 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:07.200 that's part of why Rattler's getting a little more talk 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.839 around the around the NFL right now. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.439 Honestly, I hadn't thought of it that way, but that's 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.640 probably why, I think, you know, once you realize that 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.480 a lot of these quarterbacks are going to get pushed 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.320 up a little bit. And it's interesting because the media 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.280 is always super high on quarterbacks every day do the 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.360 draft stuff. They're always really high on quarterbacks, they push 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.400 them up boards, and most often, outside of a couple exceptions, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.480 like it ends up falling kind of as it would have, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.360 you know, kind of before the draft type started going. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.480 So what I mean by that is JJ will probably 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.200 go between eleven and fifteen, and then bow Nix will go, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.480 you know, twenty five to thirty five, and Michael Pennix 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.840 will go thirty five to forty. So but if that 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.280 doesn't happen, like if all those guys get really pushed 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.480 up the board, then I do think you're looking at 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.720 like who's the best who can actually physically play the 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.400 position from a trade standpoint, And the list outside of 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.720 those guys is relatively short. And so that's why Rattler 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.440 gets pushed up, right, because he's got these physical traits, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.760 he's got this leadership quality. You know. I talked to 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.560 the coach down at at his school and he was 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.040 basically saying he's been great, you know, and I think, yeah, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.559 he has this reputation of you know, because of the 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.920 Netflix stuff, but you know, I think he's grown out 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.560 of that and he's and when you watch him at 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.079 the Senior Bowl, he's he is very talented. He can 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.400 move around, he's got a live arm, he's got different 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.520 arm angles, he's got different throws. And so you say, well, man, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.679 if if this is it, if if if, if all 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.000 those other guys are gone, who can physically do it 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.600 and become a starting quarterback in the NFL. Because we 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.240 have that, We have that sheet that we that Google 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.520 doc we work off of, and we literally have a column. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.760 I have a column and it says can they physically 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.400 play in the NFL. That's the head that's the header 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.600 of the column, and it's yes or no. And once 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.880 you get to quarterback, there becomes a lot of questions 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.040 about arm talent, about physical size, and he's not a 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.640 big guy, but he does have the arm talent to 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.200 do it at the next level. I think that's why 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.559 people get super excited about his opportunity at the next level. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.959 We also I can't remember which time when Sikama from 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.439 PFF was one, but he talked about Rattler with us, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.120 and he mentioned, you know, this guy gets pressured a 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.200 lot South Carolina and so like more than anybody else. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.120 And he stayed calm, he stayed composed. Yeah, there were 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.559 some like what are you doing throws, but when there's 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.520 four guys in your face, sometimes that happens. And the 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.240 question was if he plays behind a good O line, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.440 what could this guy be because the arm talent is there, 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.200 and I think that's the projection that some teams are 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.480 looking at now is like, yeah, all right, so we 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.160 may miss out on some of these top quarterbacks, but 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.200 if we get a really solid wide receiver, if we 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.120 get a really solid offensive lineman in the early first round, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.400 and in the second round we take Spencer Raller, we're 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.840 fine with that because we see the potential there. Now, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.080 he's short, like you said, I think he's only six foot, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.320 but his arm is live. What everybody is saying that's 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.000 been around him is he is completely matured from that 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.120 guy that was on the Netflix documentary and it looks 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:58.520 like he's ready to lead a team. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.280 He's a leader, and. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.440 I think that's where you get in that like why 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.480 he's getting why he's being valued is because there's not 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.280 a lot of people that can play quarterback in the NFL. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:09.640 And if you think he can, right, let's take a 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.760 shot on him and see what happens. And and like 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.640 you said, maybe he doesn't have to start right away. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.240 Maybe he can sit for a couple of years. Maybe 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.720 he's you know the guy up in Green Bay Love. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.280 You know, he's not starting right away, They sit him 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.200 for a couple of years and he becomes something special. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.640 Is it likely? I think probably not, But is it 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.400 a possibility? Yes, And I think that's why people are 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:30.079 talking about him. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.839 Yeah. Absolutely, putting you on the spot. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:38.480 What's the percentage chance that Washington trades Attitude or take 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.480 somebody else at to not a quarterback and then later 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.319 goes with a rattler or someone like him, I'd. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.360 Say pretty low. I think, you know, as we kind 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.240 of move towards the draft, it's becoming more clear based 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.480 on some of the moves the teams made the conversation. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.440 I'm not saying it's outside the realm of possibility, but 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.800 I think, you know, we kind of knew this all along. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.880 We've talked about this a ton. They're the offer to 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.640 for them to trade out would need to be huge, right, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.679 And if a team's not willing to present that offer 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.559 to you, then we're going to stick and pick two. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:09.559 I think kicking pick seems like what they're doing, and. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.880 So i'd say that's probably ninety five like I was 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.480 putting money out, like, that's ninety five percent probably going 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.439 to happen. You get that ten percent where you trade 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.280 back in the first round, maybe trade back up that 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.800 seven percent, and then that three percent where you stick 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.000 and pick a non quarterback and then draft Spencer Rattlers. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.480 Probably you know, it's weight one percent. 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.800 I want to put it past Peters in the front 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.840 office here to pick up the phone. Oh right at 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.080 number two, right, Like, I think that offer could potentially 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.440 be out there, but it seems like it's going to 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.800 be a stick and pick thing unless it looks like 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.080 Minnesota would be the team. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.560 Yeah, and I definitely think the offer. I think they've 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.800 they've probably engaged with teams, they've probably heard different offers, 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.640 but as of today, I don't think any offer has 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:55.960 been big enough for them to move out of that 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.880 spot because it's going to need to be like what 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.400 the Bears got last year. It's going to need to 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.600 be franchise changing, and our team's willing to be franchised 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.960 changing for guys. As again, we're going to talk about 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.240 our quarterback ranks in a little bit. That all have 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.080 question marks, you know, and I don't know. I don't 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.280 know if they if you're going to get the same 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:12.200 type of haul for that. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.520 Yeah, we're going to do top fives of every offensive position. 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.120 Next podcast will do every defense position. So yeah, we're 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.960 going to do our top fives of quarterbacks here in 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.600 a moment. But before we get there, I wanted to 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.480 talk to you about a conversation you and I were 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.880 having over text message this week, and that was for me, 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:36.240 this whole process once football college football has stopped, I 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.920 have I consistently forget how good some of these guys 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.320 are at game speed, right in the game. And specifically, 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.240 I was talking with you about Jayden Daniels, who could 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.960 very well go to the Commanders at number two, and he, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.360 like you said, I haven't seen him thrown in person. 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.160 We've seen some of these other guys do that the 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:03.040 post the post game process for the draft, so the 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.880 Senior Bowl, the combines, the pro days. He hasn't stood 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.280 out to me, but I go back and I watch 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.280 his film and I'm like. 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:12.960 Holy cow. 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:13.720 Yeah. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.520 So my question for you is, how do you remind 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.760 yourself that this post game, all this all this leading 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.800 right up to the draft, all this measurable stuff, all 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.280 this throwing the ball without anybody in your face, and 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.240 it's with the guy that you've thrown the ball to 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.640 for four years. In some instances, how much do you say, Okay, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.800 all that looks great with JJ McCarthy for example, Right, 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:39.120 but remember the game tape. Right, we gotta look back 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.800 at the game tape and how it plays there. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.080 How much do you weigh that? 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.120 And how much do you get caught up in this 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.440 little pre draft process here. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.040 I mean, obviously I haven't caught up a little bit 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:49.680 of it with JJ, you know, because I've seen him 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.560 a bunch. I think with Jay, and it's been relatively 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.360 easy because like, the only event that I really would 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.000 have wanted to see him at was the Senior Bowl, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.960 you know, just to see him throw in person and 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.160 just see how he is. Like, maybe if he throws 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.120 at the Combine, great, I don't really care. If he 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.679 throws at a Senior Bowl should be fine. It was fine, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.360 And I think for me it's just about remembering who 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.760 the guys are, you know. So for like most of 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.960 these guys, you have a pretty good understanding, especially the 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:14.800 top guys's pretty good understanding of who they are and 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.560 what they do. And I think with him, it's like, 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:19.719 you know, what does he do well? He's got a 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.080 great fundamentals, He's got a quick release, he has great 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.920 deep ball accuracy. He sees the field, I think a 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.960 little bit better than people think. He's a tremendous athlete. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.919