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Speaker 1: In today's episode of Tickets to the Draft Podcast, we

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Speaker 1: talk JJ McCarthy why the wise is it just a

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Speaker 1: smoke schien or is there something actually there? And we

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Speaker 1: talk about the rattler. He's gaining momentum in the second

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Speaker 1: or third round. What is his value there? We talk

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Speaker 1: about our top five at every offensive position, and we

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Speaker 1: have some very interesting research on the quarterback position. It

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Speaker 1: could be the difference. It all starts right now. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Ticket of the Draft podcast. Pers there by

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Speaker 1: Seekeeek the official primary ticket partner of the Washington Commanders.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Pulson here with just a guy, Jason, and

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Speaker 1: we as always are talking draft contact. But like with

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Speaker 1: every draft, you can't escape the quarterback discussion. It's always there.

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Speaker 1: Here it is done dun dug. Specifically, two issues, right, Jason,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about today. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: two guys in particular.

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy and bencer Radd.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: These are names that, like, I don't know if they're

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Speaker 3: gonna be linked to the Commanders. I mean there's some

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Speaker 3: talk about JJ, but they're just names that are out

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Speaker 3: there right now. They're the hot top to talk about

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Speaker 3: so now the media is switching into McCarthy and Rattler

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Speaker 3: and trying to dive into them. So we're going to

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Speaker 3: do that for I don't know, maybe the commanders take

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we'll touch on it just in case. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the thing. Man is like, like, let's start

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Speaker 1: with McCarthy, I think, And you know, like the smoke

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Speaker 1: stream thing, I think is interesting because there probably is

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Speaker 1: an element of that. But all I know is that

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Speaker 1: when I watched the film, and when I watch, like

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Speaker 1: there's a cut up online, I forget who put it

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Speaker 1: out there, but it's every one of his throws from Michigan,

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Speaker 1: So all the good ones, all the bad ones, and

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Speaker 1: I just can't stop watching it. I think I sent

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Speaker 1: it to you the other day. Right. It's it's one

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Speaker 1: of those things where you see the timing, you see

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Speaker 1: ability to kind of manipulate defenses with his eyes, and

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Speaker 1: that's stuff that I think is high level NFL quarterback stuff. Now,

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Speaker 1: is he a sure fire thing. Absolutely not. Like he

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Speaker 1: has a hard time throwing to his left. He tends

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Speaker 1: a habit of doing that. Right. He doesn't know how

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Speaker 1: to layer throws all the time. There's issues there. But

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Speaker 1: when you watch, you say, man, it's it's not one

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Speaker 1: to one because college is so different than the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But you see a lot of transferable throws, and you

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Speaker 1: see a lot of transferable talent, and you see a

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Speaker 1: guy that's more athletic than a lot of people think,

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Speaker 1: and you see a guy that's more competitive I think

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Speaker 1: to me kind of we're going to talk about our

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Speaker 1: He's going to run this kind of heavy play action offense.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you fall out, though, Jason, like,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about it?

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Speaker 3: I feel like you said something on our last episode

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Speaker 1: And it's not even really like it's not even the concept.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're always talking about what you want to

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Speaker 3: McCarthy's kind of moving up these boards because gms and

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Speaker 3: more comfortable in my evaluation being correct here. There's less

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Speaker 3: risk with JJ McCarthy. Now does that mean the ceilings

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Speaker 3: But so my question, I want to go back for

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Speaker 3: why would a smoke screen come in? Like why would

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Speaker 3: couple of teams at want quarterbacks all saying well, let's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think with the smoke screen thing. I

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Speaker 1: So I think if there's three guys in the mix,

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Speaker 3: And then I would go complain in my mind. Now,

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Speaker 3: saying Minnesota, Oh, well, we kind of like JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 3: And if we're nice about it, right, and you know,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what I think. That's what the point

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we're gonna take JJ McCarthy or

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Speaker 1: I think so. But I also think it's it's weird

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Speaker 1: because I also think it's justified. And I think it

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about our quarterback stuff later. But like

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Speaker 1: Drake may probably has the highest ceiling of the next

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Speaker 1: group of guys after Caleb Williams, right, extremely high ceiling,

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Speaker 1: you know, Ella says like low floors is jayde and

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Speaker 1: plan for developing Drake May, necessarily you're going to lean

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Speaker 1: for me as a talent evaluator because I've seen JJ

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Speaker 1: the post strafts, the post season stuff doesn't doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: as much unless it's changing the narrative on the guy.

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Speaker 1: And I think JJ McCarthy is a is a pretty

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Speaker 1: good example of that of that change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. I mean this being the first

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Speaker 3: time for me, I have to remind myself to go

436
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Speaker 3: back and look at the tape.

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Speaker 2: I get caught up everything that's going on right now,

438
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Speaker 2: which I do.

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Speaker 3: I've watched the same couple of videos over and over

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Speaker 3: and over again because it's been a couple of weeks

441
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Speaker 3: since I've seen it, and I need to go back

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Speaker 3: and just refresh my memory of how good or how

443
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Speaker 3: suspects some things were.

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Speaker 2: Get any given player.

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Speaker 3: All right, I did a whole research packet on quarterbacks,

446
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Speaker 3: but let's save that for when we talk about the

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Speaker 3: top five quarterbacks because we have we disagree a little bit, yep,

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Speaker 3: And maybe we can look at this pack to see

449
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Speaker 3: if it supports or refutes any of our arguments that

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Speaker 3: we make there. All right, So what we're gonna do

451
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Speaker 3: is we're gonna do top fives plus one. And what

452
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Speaker 3: that is is we're going to go through every single

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Speaker 3: position on offense. We're going to group wide receiver and

454
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Speaker 3: tight ends together as pass catchers just for brevity sake.

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Speaker 3: I promise you you'll get a tight end segment in

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Speaker 3: the future. But we're gonna do offensive line, running back,

457
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Speaker 3: wide receiver, tight end, pass catchers, and then quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to do our top rankings in that position.

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Speaker 3: And then the plus one and the plus one means

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Speaker 3: just a guy we want to talk about. He may

461
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Speaker 3: not be in the top five, top ten, he may

462
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Speaker 3: not even be in the top twenty, as just a

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Speaker 3: guy we want to mention because we don't talk about

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Speaker 3: him enough and he sticks out to us. So it's

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Speaker 3: that plus one two, Like when you go to a wedding,

466
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Speaker 3: that plus one when you're looking for someone, it's like,

467
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Speaker 3: does this person really match with the wedding. No, it's

468
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Speaker 3: just a friend of mine that's helping me out, doesn't

469
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Speaker 3: know a brider groom. He's just here or she's just

470
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Speaker 3: here whatever. All right, yeah, okay, so that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with all O line logan go five

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Speaker 3: to one, Yeah, five.

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Speaker 1: Five to one. So I'm going Joe alt to Lasi Fuaga,

474
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Speaker 1: Troy Fatano from Washington obviously, Tulisa Fauga's from Oregon State,

475
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Speaker 1: Olufshano Penn State, and then Amarius Mims from Georgia at

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Speaker 1: five for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you went one to five, which is fine,

478
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Speaker 3: one to five, five it's fine, it's fine. I just

479
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Speaker 3: don't want to confuse our listeners, all right. One for

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Speaker 3: me is also Joe Alt, which surprised me by the way,

481
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Speaker 3: because our pod we did with our top fifty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you did not have as number one, So that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about that.

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Speaker 3: Uh oulu Fashanu for me at Penn State is number

485
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Speaker 3: two to Leasy Fuaga from Oregon States three, Troy Fatanu

486
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Speaker 3: Washington is four, and then Jackson Powers Johnson is five,

487
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Speaker 3: and I'll defend that. I'll defend that we can do

488
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Speaker 3: all right. So something that sticks out to me is

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Speaker 3: you flipped Fuanga and it seems like in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Why is that. I think it came down to Fooga's

492
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Speaker 1: past protection. It wasn't anything that Joe did or Joe

493
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Speaker 1: Alt's film did it just was it because you're splitting hairs? Really,

494
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Speaker 1: So with Fuaga, like I like him a lot. I

495
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Speaker 1: like watching him. I like his approach, I like his demeanor.

496
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Speaker 1: I just worry that he's going to be a guard

497
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Speaker 1: at the next level, you know, Like that's something that

498
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Speaker 1: I keep coming back to him, Like I think he's

499
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Speaker 1: got the twitchiness to be a good tackle, but is

500
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Speaker 1: he going to be an excellent guard? And so, like,

501
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Speaker 1: I feel that's why it's still pretty high on my list,

502
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Speaker 1: because I'm very confident that either he's going to be

503
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Speaker 1: a good right tackle or an excellent guard, He's going

504
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Speaker 1: to be a pro offensive lineman some capacity. It's just

505
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Speaker 1: if you're looking for a tackle, like I think Joe

506
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Speaker 1: Walt's a tackle, you know, I think he's a tackle

507
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Speaker 1: through and through. I think that you know, we mentioned

508
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Speaker 1: some inconsistencies about his technique to give me pause, about

509
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Speaker 1: his physical development, to give me pause. But I think ultimately,

510
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Speaker 1: when you go back to the film, he's got a

511
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Speaker 1: good feel for his relationship to the rusher. He's got

512
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Speaker 1: a good play strength, he's got a nice kind of

513
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Speaker 1: competitive edge to him. He's a very solid prospect with

514
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Speaker 1: a good with a good ceiling. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: kind of where I kind of came back. I was like, Man,

516
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Speaker 1: can I really put a guy that I don't love

517
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Speaker 1: his past protection mechanics ahead of a guy that's just

518
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Speaker 1: been incredibly solid throughout his career. And my answer was

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Speaker 1: ultimately no, So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So I don't want to argue for

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Speaker 3: oluf Fashanu anymore. I feel like I do that all

522
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Speaker 3: the time. I like oluf Fashanu at number two, like

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Speaker 3: you have him a little further down.

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Speaker 1: At four four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get all your reasonings of why. I

526
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Speaker 3: also was thinking the other day, I wonder if, like

527
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Speaker 3: his power is not matching his athleticism. So I'm questioning

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Speaker 3: him just a little little bit. But coming from Penn State,

529
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Speaker 3: who has a really good strength and conditioning program there,

530
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Speaker 3: like super good and every now and then, he just

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Speaker 3: he can get overpowered.

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Speaker 2: For as big as he.

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Speaker 3: Is, I'm wondering if that's a mix between technique and

534
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Speaker 3: maybe some strength issues here as well.

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Speaker 2: But he's so young. I just think he'll keep building there.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing I keep calling back to with him, though,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I love the athlete. I like how

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Speaker 1: he moves. He's competitive, you know, he's got those small hands.

539
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Speaker 1: He's not like I kind of wonder if he's going

540
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Speaker 1: to be like Anton Harrison, who's a good pro but

541
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Speaker 1: is kind of limited because he's not overly strong. Like

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Speaker 1: when you watch like, I'm glad you put Jackson powers

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Speaker 1: Johnson on here, because like there's no question to me

544
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Speaker 1: when you watch Jackson Powers Johnson, the center from Oregon,

545
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Speaker 1: that he is strong enough and physical enough to play

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Speaker 1: at the NFL level. There's no question, no question, he's

547
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Speaker 1: a good enough athlete. The reason he's not on my

548
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Speaker 1: list is because he's not I don't think scheme agnostic.

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Speaker 1: I think he can. I think he's a very specific

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Speaker 1: type of player. But is he is he an NFL

551
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman that's going to be pretty good? Yes, It's

552
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Speaker 1: just about what is the value of what he brings?

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So let me talk about Jackson Powers Johnson for a second.

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Speaker 3: Why he's at number five for me, which is pretty

557
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Speaker 3: high for a center, And that's because I think it's

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Speaker 3: just you know what you're getting with, right. If he

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Speaker 3: were a tackle, Like, if he played tackle and he

560
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Speaker 3: had the skill sets of tackle, he'd be one or two.

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Speaker 3: But because he's a center, and like everything's about the

562
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Speaker 3: center vision, I think that's why he falls because there's

563
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Speaker 3: not really a whole lot I'm concerned about with him

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Speaker 3: as an actual player.

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Speaker 2: He's just a bulldozer.

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Speaker 3: He moves people, he's mean, he's nasty, he's athletic for

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Speaker 3: his build. So that's why I put him at five

568
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Speaker 3: because if you're gonna you know what you're getting when

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Speaker 3: you take him, and that's a good NFL player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think for me it's like, is he

571
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Speaker 1: can he run the outside zone? I don't think he can.

572
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Speaker 1: Like Creed Humphrey is a big guy like him, they're

573
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Speaker 1: kind of built in a similar way. Creed is a

574
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Speaker 1: little bit more hit flexible and like upper back flexible

575
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Speaker 1: where he can kind of dip in and reach a nose.

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Speaker 1: I know he did it at the Senior Bowl. He

577
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Speaker 1: looked pretty good doing it. I'm talking about Jackson powers Johnson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's not consistently on hape and it could be

579
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Speaker 1: because he's playing with some young guards that don't help

580
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Speaker 1: him out in that area. But I just again like

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Speaker 1: I think you could have you'll have teams that have

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Speaker 1: him number one, or Zach Fraser from West Virginia because

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Speaker 1: Zach Fraser is kind of that squirrelly, smaller center, very

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Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey esque in terms of how he plays. Not

585
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Speaker 1: quite the same athlete, but but similar. And so I

586
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Speaker 1: think you're gonna have guys that say, oh, I actually

587
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Speaker 1: like this kid from West Virginia more and as opposed

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Speaker 1: to Jack. So that's why he's not in my top five.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's a good football player. I think

590
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Speaker 1: he's going to play in the NFL for a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, I think he's got to

592
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Speaker 1: go to a team like Baltimore that's gonna run a

593
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Speaker 1: lot of gaps stuff and be very downhill and not

594
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Speaker 1: ask him to get outside of his frame too much

595
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Speaker 1: in terms of he can do it. But I don't

596
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Speaker 1: think you want him majoring in that kind of athletic

597
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Speaker 1: movement type stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about Ameriusmims because that's a little bit of

599
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Speaker 3: a contract there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So for me, I you know, I obviously JC Latham,

601
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Speaker 1: You've got Tyler Geidener, guys that I wanted to put

602
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Speaker 1: in here and I was thinking about putting in here.

603
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Speaker 1: You know, Graant Barton was another guy that I thought

604
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Speaker 1: about putting in here. And Graham Barton's film is excellent.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably more of a guard. That's why

606
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Speaker 1: he's not on this list specifically. But Amarus Mims, like

607
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Speaker 1: when you watch him, all the questions I have about

608
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Speaker 1: JC Latham's ability athletically, divertically passet are not there. The

609
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Speaker 1: same thing with Geidon, Like the physicality that Guidon plays with,

610
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Speaker 1: Like he's he's got a little bit of a baby

611
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Speaker 1: deer to him in the sense that he's he's kind

612
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Speaker 1: of bendy. He's strong, but he doesn't have this great anchor.

613
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Speaker 1: And I want to look at a Marius Mims like

614
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Speaker 1: he has. He's got that twitch to him, he's got

615
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Speaker 1: the power to him. He's a tremendous athlete, he's got

616
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Speaker 1: the frame, he's young. And if you just look at

617
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Speaker 1: the seven games, just watch those seven games, Like his

618
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Speaker 1: film is the best of that group of people, but

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Speaker 1: it's only seven games. So like I'm acknowledging that this

620
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Speaker 1: is a little bit of a flyer here, and there

621
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Speaker 1: are picks that are safer. I just look at his

622
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Speaker 1: ceiling and I'm like, if you could get this guy,

623
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Speaker 1: you know, between twenty five and third five or whatever,

624
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: you'd be doing backflips if he can stay healthy. And

625
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 1: because the physical tools are there in a way that

626
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: none of these other guys are. Like when you say, like, physically,

627
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: who's the most ready to play tackle in the NFL,

628
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Speaker 1: I think you're either saying him or Troy Fatana, Like

629
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Speaker 1: like that kind of is what you're dealing with there. Yeah,

630
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 1: but it's but he's hurt all the time. So if

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Speaker 1: you if you, if you feel good that that's not

632
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: an issue for him, then I think he's your guy.

633
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Speaker 1: So that's why I put him in there, just because

634
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Speaker 1: I think that the physical talent the film. Again, it's

635
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: only seven games, but he's playing Ohio State, he's playing Alabama,

636
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: and he looks like he's the big It looks like

637
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: you're watching high school football and you got the guy

638
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: going D one and everybody else is just a normal

639
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: high school player, which is very unusual to see. So

640
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: that talent, that frame, that ability is so unique. And

641
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: I think if he gets in the right situation, like

642
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: you're going to be like hell, he could end up

643
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: being the best player in the class. Yeah, if he's healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

645
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Speaker 3: We we mentioned a couple of times like he's an Avenger.

646
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: He's built like that kind of thing, and he kind

647
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: of is right if you think about the Marvel movies, right,

648
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: and when you first get Hawk, right, when he first

649
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: becomes a Hawk, Bruce Banner, Yeah, a little a little

650
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: out of control, doesn't quite know, but the physical tools

651
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: are there. So the Avengers are like you know, what,

652
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: we'll bring them on, we'll train them up, we'll learn

653
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: to control the anger, right, control that stuff. But he's

654
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: just such a physical freak. He's got to be on

655
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: the team. And that's what Amaruswims is like, he's he's

656
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: a rale avenger. Yeah, and again like you could have

657
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: the incredible Hawk on your team.

658
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's just it's good. It's it's very good.

659
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: It's only seven games and so I can't I can't

660
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: stress that enough. I understand what's happening here. But Gottley,

661
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: he's a he's a he's a he's a good football player.

662
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: And you also like to Patana, Let's talk about him

663
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: real quick. He's he's your guy, right, you like him

664
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: a lot?

665
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him a lot, But go ahead take so.

666
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: I just I just got to talk about him because

667
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: lot people said he's gonna be a guard. I think

668
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a tackle. He's got the twitch, the

669
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: athletic twitch that makes you think he could be special

670
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: at the position, and I think that's something that that's

671
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: why he's the third guy for me, ahead of all Lufashana.

672
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: He also has got a little bit of a better

673
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: anchor he's just got a little bit of a nastiness,

674
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: a more consistent physical to him and Oliano, So that's

675
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: why he's ahead of Old of Fashana for me on

676
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: my list.

677
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's excellent in a run game, very aggressive, mean, yeah, yeah,

678
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: I really like him a lot. We've talked about about

679
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: him amount guys that we haven't talked about all that much.

680
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: I'll start because yours is a little more obscure, and

681
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: I haven't watched the guy that you're you're going to

682
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: bring up here. So but I have Christian Hayes from Yukon.

683
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: I think he just plays with a toughness. Yeah right,

684
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: he's uh, he can get into that second level. He's aggressive, he's.

685
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: Got some.

686
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: It seems every now and then in past protection can

687
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: get pushed around a little bit.

688
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because I felt the same way.

689
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: I think he at the Senior Bowl, very physical, physical

690
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: in the run game, snappy, explosive out of his stance.

691
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: But everyone you're like, what's this Like.

692
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, why why are you getting shoved around a

693
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: little bit? And I don't know the the techniques of

694
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: the skill, the nuances and skills of the position to know,

695
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: do you have any thoughts on him?

696
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: So, I think there's a couple of things, like sometimes

697
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a little high hipped. I think he

698
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: bends well, but he's a little high hiped. He gets

699
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: a little loose with his hands and when you're going

700
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: and so that's something that's a little bit alarming to me.

701
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have him as their

702
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: number one guard, but for me, when you watch him,

703
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, this is going to be an

704
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: issue unless you get with a really good technical offensive

705
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: line coach.

706
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: All right, So I think it's coachable.

707
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: But I do think it is coachable, but you need

708
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: to get the right guy to help him out. I

709
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: think you need to help him understand like what he's doing.

710
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: Also there's times where he's he's like over extending to

711
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: get to certain positions, and I think just understanding like

712
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: when you can put it all on the line and

713
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: when you have to be a little bit more conservative

714
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: I think will help him. And that comes with experience.

715
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: So I like him, you know, in terms of competitive toughness,

716
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: like insanely high competitive toughness, like unbelievable. So he's a

717
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch. I think he's going to

718
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: be a good pro. Just about what does he become?

719
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Is he just kind of a you know, a C

720
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: plus level starter for a long time, a guy you're

721
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: looking to replace, or does he kind of mature from

722
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: a technical standpoint and become a guy that you feel

723
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: pretty good about, you know, long term for your team.

724
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: Gotcha?

725
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: All right?

726
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Who's your plus one?

727
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: Roger the Party Roger Rosengardner from Washington. He plays right tackles.

728
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: He plays opposite Troy Fatanu and I people have been

729
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: talking about him, you know, kind of up and down.

730
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: He's he's there's nothing specially, he's very vanilla. He's six ' five,

731
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: he's I think he's two ninety nine. He re did

732
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: run a fast forty at the combin and the get

733
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: of the fast forty to the combine kind of a

734
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: weird build, and I was like, Oh, this guy, he's

735
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: a little undersized, nothing special, thirty three in a quarter

736
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: and an eighth inch arms, Like what does he actually do?

737
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: And then when I watched the Michigan game, so the

738
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: National Championship game, I was kind of blown away by him.

739
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm always looking for guys that, you know,

740
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: we kind of go through the same ten names at

741
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. Is there somebody kind of

742
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: that sits right outside that that area that you feel

743
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: like could be a starter in the NFL? And when

744
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: I watched this film, I was like, yes. And the

745
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: reason I felt that way is because he has tremendous

746
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: recovery speed with his feet and he's got it excellent,

747
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: excellent dexterity and coordination to his body. And so when

748
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: you look at high level tackles in the NFL, they're

749
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: athletic like that. Either they're crazy big or they're crazy athletic.

750
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: And I was just I couldn't get over Like there

751
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: was a couple of times where the guy hits him

752
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: with an inside move, he overseets it bad, he does

753
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: a spin move himself, works his feet, looks like a

754
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: basketball player out there, gets back in front of the guy,

755
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: winds the pocket, Pennic steps around it, and just was

756
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: a tremendous place. So his ability to recover in those situations.

757
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: Obviously you don't like the set originally because he's off

758
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the line, but the foot speed, the dexterity, and the

759
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: ability to kind of get after guys a little bit

760
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: right because he's so quick and explosive. He's able to

761
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: get on guys really quickly and movement in the run game.

762
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of an edge. Reminded me

763
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: a lot, honestly of Troy Fatanu. I think Troy Patana

764
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: is a better, more physically gifted player, but in terms

765
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: of foot speed, I just was like, this is the

766
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: twitch NFL starting caliber tackles have to their feet. And

767
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: that's why I was just like, he's a guy that

768
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: I could see here being in Washington, and I don't

769
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: know if he's a left tackle at the NFL level,

770
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: but a guy that if he's sitting there, I don't

771
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: know if it's forty because I think it'd be good

772
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: value at forty honestly after watching him, but a guy

773
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: that could play for this team, no doubt in my mind.

774
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to running backs. Yep, Okay,

775
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: running backs was actually pretty difficult for me.

776
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: This is this is really hard, Yeah.

777
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: Really hard, And we'll talk about why because we don't

778
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: think any of these guys may go in the first round.

779
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: But it seems like there's a lot of talent that's

780
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: bunched up late second third rounders.

781
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: I think probably third to fourth, third, fourth, fifth round,

782
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: that kind of area.

783
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I want to be surprised if a team

784
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: like the Cowboys gets a little triggered back with running

785
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: back and goes late in the second round.

786
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, so here's what I have.

787
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 3: I have at number five, Ray Davis from Kentucky, Number

788
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: four march On Lloyd from USC, three is Blake Corn

789
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: from Michigan. Two Jonathan Brooks from Texas, and one is

790
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 3: Jalen Right from Tennessee.

791
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: Who's here time?

792
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. My top five is will Shipley from Clemson, Marshawn

793
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: Lloyd from USC, Blake Koran from Michigan, Jalen Wright from Tennessee,

794
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: and Trey Benson from Florida State.

795
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: All right, so let's talk about Marshaon Lloyd and Blake

796
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 3: Blake korm because we both have them four to three.

797
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I like them both. They're both good football players.

798
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: Like they I think Marshawn Lloyd is explosive. I think

799
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: he's got pass catching ability. I don't think he's elite

800
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: in either one of those categories, but I think he's

801
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: a really good football player. And I think he's a

802
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: guy that if Washington said we're gonna draft running back

803
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: in the fourth round to be kind of a third

804
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: down rotational growth piece here for this team. I'd be like, great.

805
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: I think that's just how I feel about him, you know.

806
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: And I think I kind of feel the same way

807
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: about Blake Coorm. I think Blake Orm's got better down

808
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to down vision than Marshawn Lloyd. I think he cs

809
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: NFL runs really well. He s his short air burst

810
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: is great. I think he catches the football well. The

811
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: problem is he's five to seven, he's not very big.

812
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: So it's like, I think they're both good football players,

813
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: and I think that's the issue with this class. It's like,

814
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: if you have a role as a stat and you

815
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: see a vision for this player, you're gonna be okay. Yeah,

816
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: It's just about making sure they gets to the right

817
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: fit and they fit a need for you, I guess

818
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.

819
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

820
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: I like Marshall Lloyd a lot. He look good at

821
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl on his tape. I wonder if this

822
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: is like the Caleb Williams effect, where the USC effect

823
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 3: where it looks like every now and then he turns

824
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: down just planning his foot and hitting a hole for

825
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: trying to bounce outside.

826
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: To make a big play.

827
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: And I wonder if that's just usc being like, go

828
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: for the home run every time, swing for the fence

829
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: instead of just hey, let's grind out these three yards

830
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: right here, just hit this hole really hard, whereas he

831
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: I feel like it's the opposite with Blake Koram, where

832
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: he has great vision, he's going to hit that hole,

833
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: He's going to go run right where he's supposed to.

834
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean he.

835
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: Doesn't bounce from time to time, but he's he's going

836
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: to hit that play as it's designed, as it's supposed

837
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: to be run.

838
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: He's just not super.

839
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: Big, Yeah, And I just think there's a more consistency

840
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: to Blake Orm's game, and that's why he's the what

841
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: is he the third guy? He's the third guy as

842
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: the post of the fourth guy, And the only thing

843
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: that keeps him from being the number one guy is

844
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: that he's a little bit small. Yeah, and had a

845
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: little bit of a regression in twenty twenty three as

846
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: a post twenty twenty two.

847
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, my top guy in your number two is Jalen Wright.

848
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: You want to talk about him real quick?

849
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think like at this point in

850
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: the drafts for running back specifically, I'm just looking for traits, right,

851
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: and Jalen Wright is a trait of the traitiest guys. Right.

852
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: He's like six I think he's five eight five. No,

853
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: he's five to ten. He's two hundred and ten pounds.

854
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: He has the most explosive runs in college football. Last

855
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: year he has the highest yards per carry. Like he

856
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: is a home run hitter. Like again, we talked about

857
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: running back vision. I'm not sure it's always there for him.

858
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: They run a lot of trap, they run a lot

859
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: of counter where he's like hitting a hole, and because

860
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: of that offense in Tennessee, it's like really spread out,

861
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: so like once he kind of clears that first level,

862
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: like he's hitting his head on the goalpost. But I

863
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: like that. I think he's pretty good in pass protection.

864
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: And I think he doesn't catch the ball great, but

865
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: I think you could kind of work that skill set

866
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: with him and find an explosive guy for your offense.

867
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: It's kind of hit home runs, and I think when

868
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: you look at Oh Gosh, I forget that I'm the guy.

869
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: The name of the guy that was drafted by Baltimore

870
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: last year, the little running back but having an explosive

871
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: playmaker in your offense with that kind of speed is

872
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: incredibly valuable. So that's why he's he's number two for me.

873
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: And again I couldn't put up his number one because

874
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if there was the volume of NFL runs.

875
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: But I think definitely a very good football player, guy

876
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: that I'd be excited if the commands draft.

877
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's his explosiveness, right, It's it's eye popping in

878
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 3: some instances. He just he has He hits the whole hard.

879
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: He runs super fast, he's got getaway speed. No one's

880
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: going to catch him when he gets going. He has

881
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: good hands, not great, but when he gets the ball

882
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: in space, I forget about it. N it's really talented.

883
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: He's he's super young. He's and I think that that's

884
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: what you were talking about a little bit with the

885
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: negative there is that the super young is a good

886
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: thing in the sense of like, well, he's young, not

887
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 3: a lot of miles or is still coachable. But also

888
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: there's not a lot as far as like you're saying,

889
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: this NFL caliber run, he hasn't.

890
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: He just hasn't. He doesn't have a lot of tape

891
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: on it.

892
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: He runs fast, right, Yeah, that's what he does big

893
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: and he's pretty big. He's stout. But I like him.

894
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: I think he's got again. To me, there's a little

895
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: bit of a there's an opportunity there for him to

896
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: be something more, to be a playmaker at the next

897
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: level as he posts some of these other guys who

898
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: I think like like with like Marshall Lloyd. I think

899
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: he's going to be a good player. I don't think

900
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: he's ever anything special. I think I think Jalen Wright

901
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to do that.

902
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 3: All right, And then you added number one, Tray Benson,

903
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: who's not on my list. It's actually my number six.

904
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: That's the only reason down on my list. So talk

905
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: about explosiveness. This guy is explosive. So why is he

906
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: number one for you? And I'll tell you why he's

907
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 3: numbered six.

908
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, he's because of the explosiveness quite honestly,

909
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Like when you look at when you look at what

910
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: they do in Florida, a Florida state where he's the

911
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: running back, obviously a lot of kind of messy runs,

912
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: not really well blocked, and it's really muddy and murky.

913
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: He does take shots, he's not super shifty in the hole,

914
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: but when he has a crease, like if it's an

915
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: outside zone system like I think about Kyle Shanahan or

916
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, Mike McDaniels or Green Bay for example, like

917
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: with with the floor up there, if they had him

918
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: in that offense, he would be devastating because he's big,

919
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: he gets sent hell fast, he's fearless when he's getting downhill,

920
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: and he does have the home run ability. And again

921
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I just look at like when you're looking at running

922
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: back in the NFL, you're not looking for a guy

923
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: to carry the load like Derek Henry. You're looking for

924
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: a guy who has a role on your team. Yeah,

925
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: and I think he has a role with those teams

926
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: right now. And if you want to if you want

927
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: an effective, explosive rushing attack, get an explosive runner, and

928
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: he's he's that guy.

929
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: So so for I agree with everything you said. The

930
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: reason he's number six is because of what you said,

931
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: is that he to me, he relies so much on

932
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: that athleticism that I don't know if the technique is

933
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: right there, if the.

934
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: Visions fully can be coached up.

935
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, I mean I definitely maybe if you get

936
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: him in a system, it's a little bit cleaner, you know,

937
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: like Florida State it's it's muddy, very muddy. All that's

938
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: a good point. So if maybe you get him, and again,

939
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: I this is where I'm kind of like, if I'm

940
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: taking a running back, I want to be able to

941
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: hit a home run, like I can get a third

942
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: down past protecting back, Like I want a guy that's

943
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: gonna hit on run, Like I didn't put your number,

944
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: what is it Brooks on my Liston Brooks he would

945
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: be another guy that would fit in this category because

946
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: just because he's coming off the knee right, But the

947
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: same type of deal, like I want a guy that

948
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: can hit home runs. I don't want to get on

949
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: base with a running back. I want a guy that

950
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: can be a productive playmaker in my office. And so obviously,

951
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: like if you look at my list, it values that

952
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: skill set.

953
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: So here's the difference between Jaleen Wright and Trey Benson

954
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: to me is that Jalen Wright has all these things

955
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: you're talking about.

956
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Explosive, Uh.

957
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: Jalen Wright will strap up for pass protection and he

958
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: will say, come on, come on, let's go, like he

959
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 3: wants to mix it up there. And I went back

960
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: and I looked at all passing plays from Tennessee and

961
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: from Florida State to see the pass protection from them,

962
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: because they don't always put those in the cutups for

963
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 3: running backs. They just do their routes or their runs, right.

964
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: So I went back and looked at all passing plays,

965
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 3: and uh, yeah, Jalen Wright, not afraid, wants to mix

966
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 3: it up, steps up Benson.

967
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: A little bit down. But I thought I thought he

968
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: caught the ball better, which is yeah, I agree, one

969
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: hundred I think, I agree, I think And this is

970
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: where it gets kind of funny. It's like beauty's in the

971
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: I of the beholder. I think he's a little bit bigger.

972
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit faster. I think he

973
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: catches the ball a little bit better. But you know,

974
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: like there is there's issues with him. I'm just we're

975
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: just both upside plays in terms of what you're seeing

976
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: splitting hairs.

977
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: All these guys are very close. I'm real quickly going

978
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: to do Ray Davis. He's just a bowling ball.

979
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I love him.

980
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: I love him.

981
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: He's I think he's a better pass catcher and route

982
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: runner than people want to give him.

983
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: Credit for because of his size.

984
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 3: But I think this guy could come in and be

985
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: a rotational piece right away and be effective for a team.

986
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: The plus one for me, I couldn't help myself.

987
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: I know. I saw this one.

988
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 3: Yi Vaki, he's his safety from Utah, but man, his

989
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 3: running tape is so good and I just I have to.

990
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: Bring him up whenever I can.

991
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: I would love to have him on a team as

992
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 3: an athlete, a special teamer. He's going to be an

993
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: awesome special teamer. Forever drafts him and then yeah, maybe

994
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: he gets a carry or two at running back if

995
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: you need it, and he'll do pretty good.

996
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll do pretty good. I like that pick. So

997
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: for me, Will Shipley from Clemson. I'm a little high

998
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: on him than most. I just saw a role for him.

999
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: Small. He seems small, small.

1000
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: Skinny guy, but yeah, you can play like basically slot receiver.

1001
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: I think about mismatches with the running back spot. I

1002
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: want guys that can hit home runs. He kind of

1003
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: fits that. Mouli ran a four three to nine in

1004
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: his pro DA. He's explosive, catches the ball well, has

1005
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: some good power, and is a return specialist. So that's

1006
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: why he's on my list. And then my plus one

1007
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: is Braylen Allen from Wisconsin, and there's something to be

1008
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: said for having just a big dude who can get

1009
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: downhill with good contact, balanced, decent vision. He's not going

1010
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: to hit home runs, but I think when you look

1011
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: at his volume, his career and his ability to stay

1012
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: healthy and his ability to just consistently pound the rock, like,

1013
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: there's something there, right and I and again, he's going

1014
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: to fill a specific role for you. He'll he'll kind

1015
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: of move the sticks. I think he elevates the offensive

1016
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: line slightly. He's like a slower b rob to me,

1017
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, like a less athletic be rob, maybe a

1018
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: little bit more power, but a guy that fills a

1019
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: very specific type of role and is unique because he's

1020
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: six to two and he's doing forty five and I

1021
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: think he catches the ball pretty well, so you know,

1022
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of a unique guy there.

1023
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: All right, we're moving on the pass catcher.

1024
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 3: Sorry, this is where as a producer, I just had

1025
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: to like take a deep breath because I told you

1026
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: with these when we were setting this up, pick one

1027
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: through five plus a plus one, and you sent me

1028
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: a one through six with a plus three.

1029
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: So let me just say this. So We're not going

1030
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: to go through all these guys, but I did. This

1031
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: is kind of an exercise to say, like, there are

1032
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in this plot. I guy and

1033
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't. And I was just looking at your top

1034
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: your top five, and the only person I would disagree

1035
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: with you on is the fifth one. So I just

1036
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: threw some other names in there. So if you read

1037
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: your top five.

1038
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: All right, so my top five, you also didn't include

1039
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: the top of the consensus.

1040
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't include the top three. I just

1041
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: said because there's like a lot of guys, right, there's.

1042
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: A lot of guys.

1043
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 3: So here's here's my my top five. Five is Brock

1044
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: Bowers from Georgia. Yeah, four is Brian Thomas Junior, LSU

1045
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: three of Doomsay, two Leak Neighbors, and one Marvin Harrison Junior.

1046
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: So we're just going to for the purpose of this conversation, Marvin,

1047
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: here's some Leak Neighbors duns. They're pretty much the overwbings three.

1048
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: We've talked about them plenty before. We're gonna just say, Okay,

1049
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 3: you guys are top three. You're over here, so we're

1050
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 3: gonna go Basically, you have an issue with me as

1051
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: brock Bowers.

1052
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: No I saw Brian Thomas Judter brock Bowers. I agree

1053
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: with I agree with percent, and then I would say, like,

1054
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: it's the next guy. Right.

1055
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: If the next guy you have.

1056
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: Xavierly Get written down on this piece of paper, I

1057
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: think that that's your sixth guy. I think that's a

1058
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: little high for me. For the get I would probably

1059
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: it's only one higher than you. I know, No, I

1060
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: got it, No, I oh, I meant that should be

1061
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: xavier Worthy, type of Xavier Worthy. And then it last.

1062
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: So I have three guys that I would probably slot

1063
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: in there, just potentially above him. And again I like

1064
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: Xavierly get a lot. I think I think Ady Mitchell

1065
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy or Lad McConkey. I think you you could

1066
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: twist my army the way and I would put that

1067
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: guy in that six spot.

1068
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: So here's the thing. When you talked with again sam

1069
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: Munsen about this, right, he made a good point where

1070
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: all these guys are so good, they're so close together

1071
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: that when you go from five to ten, you're like, oh,

1072
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: this is my tenth best receiver. Well it really, on

1073
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: any gift day could be the fifth.

1074
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: And that's true.

1075
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: The reason I keep putting Lagette up as high as

1076
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: I do is because man, he just looks so good.

1077
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: Every time I see him, he just looks really, really

1078
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 2: really good.

1079
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: He's like in my next tier. He's on my sheet

1080
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: of paper. He's on this list of twelve people. So

1081
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. And the point of this

1082
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: exercise is the top three guys are the top three guys,

1083
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: and like kind of however, whoever you talk to. I mean,

1084
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of Marvin Harrison and then you know.

1085
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: Neighbors and a doomsday back and forth.

1086
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: But then then after that, it's pretty solid. And I

1087
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of really good football players at

1088
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: the position this year.

1089
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 3: So what's interesting about this that I want you to

1090
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: talk one is how Brock Bowers, a tight end, fits

1091
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: in with all these receivers.

1092
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so why did you slot him.

1093
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: Where you did, which is right behind Brian Thomas or

1094
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: as the fifth best pass catcher in this draft?

1095
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: And do you think he'll go fifth? Do you think

1096
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: these guys are.

1097
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: I think he might actually go ahead of Brian Thomas Jr.

1098
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: I think, and I can see an argument as to why.

1099
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: I think he's very polished, and so I think the

1100
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: thing that I have a hard time with Rock Bauers.

1101
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: Is he's six ' four, he's two forty. I want

1102
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: to say, is what he waited. I think he's a

1103
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: great athlete. I think he is a great feel for

1104
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: running routes creates separation as a football player. Johnny. My

1105
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: question is like he needs to go to a system

1106
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: that utilizes his skill set, that understands what he is.

1107
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Because he's not going to play a traditional inline Why

1108
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: he's going to be your move F And I don't

1109
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: think you feel good about him in run game matchups

1110
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: very well. Like I know he gets the comp to

1111
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: George Kittle because that's who he looks like once he

1112
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: catches the ball. But in line, I think he's willing.

1113
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: It's just like it's a mismatch. You know, he's he's

1114
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: going up against guys who are significantly bigger than him,

1115
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: and so like, what do you do with him? Like

1116
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: I felt like Kyle Pitts was an easier evaluation because

1117
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: he could literally do anything. He can play Why he

1118
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: can play X, he can play F. I feel like

1119
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Bauers isn't doesn't quite have the speed to play a

1120
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: true X receiver, and he's going to have his pro

1121
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: day coming up here with Themarus Mims at Georgia sometime

1122
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: in April. So we can get like a you know,

1123
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: reevaluation on this if he runs a four to four

1124
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's that's where I got a little

1125
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: bit weird. It's like, what is his actual role? Is

1126
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: he a big slot? Is he a power slot. I

1127
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: think that's a good role for him, but I also

1128
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: don't think that kind of maximizes his ability in the

1129
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: run game. If he went to a place like LA

1130
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: where he's playing like a pseudo wide receiver, tightand hybrid,

1131
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: I think he'd be extremely valuable there. But again it's

1132
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: about fit for him and the offensive coordinator having a

1133
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: vision for how to maximize his skill set because he doesn't.

1134
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Because to me, if you want a power slot, there's

1135
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: also guys like Kean Coleman or Johnny Wilson, these big

1136
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: receivers you know, who have tremendous kind of acrobatic catching

1137
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: the football ability, and he doesn't quite have that. But

1138
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: he does other stuff well too. So like that's where

1139
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: like role and fit and function in the offense becomes

1140
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: really important. To me.

1141
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: Let's talk about eighty or Ann and I Mitchell, Yeah

1142
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: night from Texas. Because I have him as my plus one,

1143
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: a guy I wanted to talk about. You have him

1144
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 3: as your number three or number five if you conclude

1145
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: the other guys in ye five. Yeah, so right behind brock.

1146
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: Bowers, you have technically six.

1147
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: Technically technically six, you're right.

1148
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about him.

1149
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: Real quick because I have question marks about him. I

1150
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: do too, But why do you have him so high?

1151
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: Though?

1152
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: So I think the thing is, like, I we once

1153
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: saw him at this combine yep, and I thought he

1154
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: had a rough combine running routes. I don't think he

1155
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: looked good. And when you watch film, there's a you

1156
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: see a little bit more route running nuance, right, And

1157
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm a guy that I do like to listen to

1158
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: the consensus a little bit, right, So right now I've

1159
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: kind of got that tethered to me as an anchor

1160
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: because even though he had a rough senior bowl, I

1161
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: do think you see an explosive playmaker. I hear the

1162
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: comp to CD the Lamb a lot, and if that's

1163
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: the comp that's pretty. He's a little bit more explosive

1164
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: than that. I think he could be a true X.

1165
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna push that value up a little bit.

1166
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: Do I see it all the time on film? No?

1167
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: But is the potential there for him to get there

1168
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: from a route running nuanced standpoint, from a vertical speed standpoint, yes,

1169
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: I think he needs again needs to get a good

1170
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: coach to get him going. But I understand people saying like, oh,

1171
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: he and Brian Thomas are kind of in the same

1172
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: tier for them because they're big, they're fast, and they

1173
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: can run all the routes. And that's why I kind

1174
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: of I haven't as much as I want to move

1175
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: him down, I'm just like, stay the course, watch a

1176
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: little bit more film, let's see how the process develops.

1177
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: So here's why he looks like Ceedee Lamb to me, right,

1178
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 3: and I do see that comparison. Other than they're built

1179
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: kind of the same, is that it seems like every

1180
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 3: now and then they have a hard time creating great

1181
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: separation someone you would expect from your number one receiver.

1182
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: But he still makes to play, He still makes to catch,

1183
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: which is Seedy Lamb's superpower. It doesn't matter if somebody's

1184
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: draped all over him, he can get the ball. The

1185
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: issue is I'm curious if that's because ady Mitchell can't

1186
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: create that separation or if he's just a little bit

1187
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 3: lacks a daisical times, because that does show up.

1188
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: It does show up, I do think. And also there

1189
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: was at the combine there were some ankle tightness stuff

1190
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: ability to sink in his hips, which again would affect

1191
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: his ability to separate. Again, that's the guy that I

1192
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: want to I want to. You know how you said

1193
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: you go back and watch the quarterbacks all the time.

1194
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I'm gonna go back and watch

1195
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: a bunch because I need. I don't have a great

1196
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: feel for him, and my inclination is to put him

1197
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: at like eleven or twelve, But there's so many people

1198
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: that are so high on him that I'm like, I

1199
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: got to do a little bit more work on this, yeah,

1200
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: just in case. But again, I think the athletic profiles

1201
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: there you do see some stuff from a STEM standpoint,

1202
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, I get what people are talking about.

1203
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: I just don't know if I see it with enough

1204
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: regularity and enough kind of fair enough demonstrative ability to

1205
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of be that high on him. But again I'm

1206
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm reserving judgment on it.

1207
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: All right.

1208
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 3: I want you to talk about your guy who tight end,

1209
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: Jared Wiley from tc OH.

1210
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I really like Jared Wiley. Obviously. He's a guy

1211
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: that I've worked with, I've met him, and I think

1212
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: the thing about him is when you watch him in

1213
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, he's crushing people in the run games,

1214
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: and then when you watch him in twenty twenty three,

1215
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: he's not doing that as much, but he's catching the

1216
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: football well. I think he has an adr touchdown versus Baylor, Right.

1217
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: He's kind of got this silky smooth, kind of tall

1218
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: guy ability to kind of create separation. And I'm like,

1219
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: if you look at the guys who are getting paid

1220
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: in this free agency cycle, Kobe Parkinson, who was in Seattle,

1221
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: just signed with Carolina. I think he was on a

1222
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: three year, twenty million dollars deal. It's because he can

1223
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: block in line and work the seam of a defense, right,

1224
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: And I think Jared Wiley can do that, and he's

1225
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: way down a lot of people's lists. But when I

1226
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: talk to the NFL guys, they have him in like

1227
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: the top three most of the time. So I'm a

1228
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: little confused as to why there's a departure there. And

1229
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's because maybe it's because the the NFL media

1230
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: is not great at evaluating tight ends. I don't know,

1231
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: but I find that my tight end rankings tend to

1232
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: line up more with NFL teams as opposed to.

1233
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: I wonder.

1234
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: I'm just throwing this out there, see if it sticks.

1235
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's because when we evaluate tight ends, right,

1236
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: and I get I kept myself doing this when I

1237
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: watch tight ends. Is that well, we want we want

1238
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: Travis Kelce, Yeah, right, we want that's what we're looking for.

1239
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: We want to Kyle Pitts. We want a game changer

1240
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: in that sense. We're high on brock Bowers because it's

1241
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: the pass catcher first. And I wonder if like, well,

1242
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: there's only there's only four or five of those guys

1243
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: in the league, right, every other tight end has to

1244
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: play the tight end in the traditional sense, right, and that's.

1245
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: What you were great at. You were great at that.

1246
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: So he falls down maybe because he doesn't show these

1247
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 3: flashes that maybe some of these other tight ends do

1248
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 3: in the passing game.

1249
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 2: Not that he doesn't, but it's different, but it's different

1250
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: because it's like, oh, well he's not Travis Kenny.

1251
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you see guys like sor

1252
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: not Shaud or Jatavian Jatavian Sanders from Texas getting pushed

1253
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: up boards. That's why I see brock powers really high.

1254
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: But I think it's important for fans to understand what

1255
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: that position. It's like, what is the role?

1256
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1257
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Right, is he going to be like? Because they do

1258
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: need a block, They need a pass protector, need to block.

1259
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: Even really good guys like Travis Kelsey's kind of the

1260
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: exception there. Yeah, George Kittle's excellent at it, Darren Waller's

1261
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: excellent at it. Even Mark Andrews gets after it a

1262
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: little bit, right, So I think like that's something that

1263
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: needs to be considered with those guys specifically. And like

1264
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: Rock Bowers is special because he's a special athlete, he

1265
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: runs special routes. But Sanders, for example, is a guy

1266
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: that I'm a little bit on the fence about because like,

1267
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: can he be an elite pass catcher and not have

1268
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: to do that other stuff? And I don't think that's

1269
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: exactly the case.

1270
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: So all right, here we go. We're time for the quarterbacks.

1271
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: Quarterback it.

1272
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: We made it the quarterbacks. We can't not talk about quarterbacks.

1273
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: This is interesting We're not going to spend too much

1274
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 3: time on it because we talk about them all the time,

1275
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: but I want to talk about how these are lining up,

1276
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: all right, So logan number five for me, I have

1277
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: b NIX for is JJ McCarthy, Three is Jade and Daniels,

1278
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 3: two Drake May, one Caleb Williams. This has really not

1279
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 3: moved much for me throughout this entire process. Looks like

1280
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: it shifted a little bit for you. Give me your

1281
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: top five.

1282
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, my top five is five is Bo Nicks from Oregon.

1283
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: For is Drake May from u NC, Three is JJ

1284
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: McCarthy from Michigan, Two is Jane Daniels from LSU, and

1285
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: one is Caleb Williams from USC.

1286
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, why is Drake May at number four?

1287
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is I'm glad you asked me that

1288
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: because to me, this is why I hate doing like

1289
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: one to ten lists, Because these three guys one, two, three, four,

1290
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels, JJ McCarthy, Drake May are all in the

1291
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: same tier. So for me, they're the same. It just

1292
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: depends on how you're looking at the individual prospects. So

1293
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: I've said this a couple of times on the show already,

1294
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: Drake May has the highest ceiling of this class, of

1295
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: this group of three of that made three guys, But

1296
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: I also think his floor is really low, Like when

1297
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: you look at how he handles, like some of his

1298
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: footwork fundamentals, some of the incanstisties throw on the.

1299
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: Football, he drifts a little bit in the pocket for some.

1300
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: Reason, he like finds pressure at weird times, like it's

1301
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of these alarming things. But again and then

1302
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: you watch his big time throws and you're like, I

1303
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: like a lot. I like everything in here. This is great.

1304
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: Aiden Daniels, for example, is a guy that I think

1305
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: actually has a really high floor. I worry about his ceiling, right,

1306
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: But I think if I have said this on other shows,

1307
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: if he had to start a game today, I would

1308
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: feel the best of those three about him starting today.

1309
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: And so maybe that's why I feel like the Commanders

1310
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: are not set up necessarily to have the quarterback sit

1311
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: for a long period of time because of their backup

1312
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. And again that's not a knock on anybody here.

1313
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: That's just my personal opinion. They might feel differently about that,

1314
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: the Commanders, But I look at this and I say,

1315
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: if I just start someone to day. It's Jane Daniels

1316
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: because I think he's got a quick release. I think

1317
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: he feels pressure relatively well. I think there's enough NFL

1318
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: throws on his tape, and I think the playmaking ability

1319
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: with his legs regulates defense for the first year or

1320
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: two that you feel pretty good about it. And then

1321
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: JJ we talked about again. I think very high floor.

1322
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: Not sure about his ceiling because I think you see

1323
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL throws and I think there's a

1324
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: guy that's ready to handle the responsibilities of the NFL game.

1325
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: But if you want to hit a Grand Slam home

1326
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: run is strake may. I also think there's an opportunity

1327
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: to strike out there.

1328
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: So that's why I feel that, Yeah, you're a power

1329
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: hitter swinging for the fences. Maybe you strike out, but

1330
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 3: maybe you hit it four hundred and fifty feet. Okay,

1331
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: So I have Jade and Daniels at three. McCarthy is

1332
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: sneaking up there, and the reason I'm falling on Jade

1333
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: and Daniels, and I want to tell you why this

1334
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 3: is all right.

1335
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: I did a bunch of research.

1336
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

1337
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: I was talking to you in text message and I

1338
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: was about, you know, what makes me nervous about Jade

1339
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: and Daniels, and maybe I could be way off base.

1340
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 3: Here was that he only has that one big year.

1341
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 3: So how many guys have had a breakout senior season

1342
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: or last season in college then go to the NFL

1343
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: and find success and what's the correlation? And you said

1344
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: to me, well, maybe games played matter matters, right, because

1345
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 3: maybe they have that breakout season because they have a

1346
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: lot of time right in college and they're getting better.

1347
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: Right.

1348
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in your mouth, that's

1349
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: basically you're saying. So you're like, look at that too.

1350
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 3: So here's what I found, all right, I went through

1351
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 3: all the way back to twenty twenty. I think it

1352
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: was maybe even a little further. I went all the

1353
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: way back that I could last five years, I think

1354
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 3: it was. And I looked at who had quote unquote

1355
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 3: success in the NFL, how many games they played in college,

1356
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 3: and whether they had a breakout game, breakout season, or

1357
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: last year, and that's kind of what moved them up

1358
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: draft boards. So pick a name, right, Let's say Baker Mayfield.

1359
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: He had forty eight games in college. Yeah, okay, so

1360
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: that's more than twenty five games. I made twenty five

1361
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 3: a marker because that means you played at least two

1362
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: seasons full seasons, and he had a single breakout season

1363
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: at the end of his senior year.

1364
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: It was just a jump in town. Right.

1365
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: Then you have a guy like let's say CJ. Stroud

1366
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: played in twenty five games, so two seasons, consistent, consistent.

1367
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: High level play. Yep, all right, what's.

1368
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: Another name that would be a good Joe Burrow is

1369
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: an outlier, right. What I found is he played twenty

1370
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: eight games games, he had a breakout season and success

1371
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 3: in the NFL. That's an outlier. And what I mean

1372
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: by that is the guys that have had breakout seasons

1373
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: even with starting two seasons or more in college, it

1374
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: still doesn't necessarily equate to success. Yes, correlation doesn't mean causas,

1375
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 3: but Joe Burrow is the exception.

1376
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the three names that have been successful right

1377
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL are Baker Mayfield relatively, right, Jalen Hurts relatively,

1378
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: and then Joe Burrow. Of that category, you had breakout years,

1379
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: that breakout years, that had breakout years, that's right.

1380
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: So you look at guys that had breakout years that

1381
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: like Malik Willis, Kenny Pickett, right, Jalen Hurts, But that

1382
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: took him a while to get to get to success.

1383
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: I would say had success.

1384
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: Grey Lance, Zach Wilson, right, Like these are Mac Jones, right,

1385
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 3: your names is like, Okay, they had a breakout here.

1386
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: Here's here's the correlation.

1387
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: That everyone's making with Jayde and Daniels is to Robert Griffin. Well,

1388
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: what did Robert Griffin do? He had a breakout year? Yeah,

1389
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: he played forty games with a breakout year. Jade and

1390
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 3: Daniels fifty five games a breakout year.

1391
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm with you.

1392
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: So that's why I keep falling on Jade and Daniel's

1393
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: I keep trying to find what it is because it's

1394
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: not always the tape. I'll go back and I'll look

1395
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: at the tape and he is dynamic. Yeah, but there's

1396
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: just something irking me right, Like it is this just

1397
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 3: a flash in the pan in college and I'm nervous

1398
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: about it.

1399
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: If I was gonna say so with Jaydon Daniels again,

1400
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: like his career arc is so unique and it's so

1401
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: hard to kind of make ay and again like I

1402
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: think this is a really telling thing, but like this

1403
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: is what I would make an argument to tend to

1404
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: say why Jadon and Daniels doesn't fit this. So at

1405
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: Arizona he was Arizona State, he was fine, right, I

1406
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: think he had I think it was his sophomore year,

1407
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: played pretty well, six round pick. And then they have

1408
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: the COVID year. Yeah, Arizona State explodes like everyone leaves

1409
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: the program. It's crazy ghost. LSU has a pretty good

1410
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty two or whatever it is, twenty

1411
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: twenty eight year, so exposed in twenty twenty one, goes

1412
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: as an okay year in twenty twenty two, that has

1413
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: a great year in twenty twenty three and a crazy

1414
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: wos Eisman, right, And so what I would say is

1415
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: that adversity early coupled with the fact that last year

1416
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: he kind of had already projected from like a sixth

1417
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: round pick at Arizona State to a third or fourth

1418
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: round pick at LSU last year to being a first

1419
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: round pick this year, shows a consistent progression. And then

1420
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: this is where I get really weird with quarterbacks. It's

1421
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: because you're evaluating like ten things at one time, Like

1422
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: it's the talent is the talent there? Yes, is the

1423
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: processing there maybe and you just kind of go through

1424
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: the list. The other thing I've heard about him from

1425
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: multiple people is that he's an insane worker. So like,

1426
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: if you do draft him, he's not going to be

1427
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: a guy that's not going to He's not gonna he's

1428
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: not going to not make it because he's not working hard.

1429
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's another thing about bringing his flora.

1430
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 1: But I agree, I think there's a lot of stuff there.

1431
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: But I think if you look, if you if you

1432
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: look at the other thing, consistently high level of play.

1433
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: The names are there are really interesting too, just if

1434
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: you read through them real quick. Yes, there's the Russell Wilson's,

1435
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: the Bryce Young's, the c. J. Stroud, the Trevor Lawrence,

1436
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: justin Herbert kellen Mond. Obviously there's out lout.

1437
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: There's exceptions the exception, right, But you want from just

1438
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: doing the research, it looks like you want at least

1439
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 3: two seasons in college of consistent play. That's what it

1440
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: looks like. There's a correlation, not a causation, but a correliation.

1441
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: And of the top four quarterbacks that we talk about

1442
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 3: in this drab Williams, may Daniels, McCarthy, Williams May and

1443
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: McCarthy all have played at least two seasons of college

1444
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 3: football at a high level. Daniels sticks out he's played

1445
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: a lot of college football one big year, same thing

1446
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: with Bo Nicks, a lot of college football, more college

1447
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 3: football games than any other quarterback one big year, which

1448
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: is concerning.

1449
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, and I think you talk to

1450
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: NFL evaluators, it's concerning. I think it's a concerning thing.

1451
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: It's like, why because everyone can get hot statistically, everyone

1452
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: can get hot for a season, right, It's like, can

1453
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: you maintain that level of success? And I'm totally with you,

1454
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: And again that's why this quarterback thing, quarterback evaluation is

1455
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: so challenging. And I think we've talked with this a

1456
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: million times. Those three guys are in the same tier

1457
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: for me, right, those three players we just talked about.

1458
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: Yep.

1459
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: The situation that they go to and the plan of

1460
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: development for those guys is going to be the deciding thing. Like, really,

1461
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who comes to Washington of those three guys, Like,

1462
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm fine with any of them, right, but what is

1463
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: the vision? How do they get him to progress? And

1464
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: there's obviously different models of getting that done, but that

1465
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: to me is the deciding factor and that's why the

1466
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: quarterback conversation is so so interesting I think this year.

1467
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now let me be clear, if Jaden Daniels comes

1468
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: to Washington, I will be stoked because he has talent

1469
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 3: the lore right, he is super talented. I love what

1470
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: I see And like I said, I went back and

1471
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: I watched the film and I was like, oh my gosh,

1472
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: I can see how this guy could be just a superstar.

1473
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just taking this other piece of information

1474
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: that I looked at.

1475
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: That's it's important.

1476
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 3: But there are all three, all four of these quarterbacks,

1477
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: are they any one of them could be really really good.

1478
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: You can see it. And I'm not a jade and

1479
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 3: Daniels cater. That's what I'm trying to say.

1480
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: Like, I like him, all right, but I do think

1481
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: like when you watch the film, like if you're being objective,

1482
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: there are questions.

1483
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: Like does there are questions with every guy.

1484
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: But is his arm talent where it needs to? Like,

1485
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: there's questions about it. So I'm glad you brought that up.

1486
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good exercise for sure.

1487
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: All Right, that's our show.

1488
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 3: We're going to do this next week, but with all

1489
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: the defensive side, and then we're going to get really

1490
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 3: close to the draft. We're coming up on that. We

1491
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: got a very big show for that the week of

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Speaker 3: the draft, so make sure these guys stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to say about it right now.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge.

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Speaker 1: Self all right, thanks.

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Speaker 2: Is that it?

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Speaker 1: That's it.