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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: You threw an article at me at one point when

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Speaker 2: it was around Friday the thirteenth, and in the article

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Speaker 2: was something you wrote in the Daily Express back in

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. You've been doing this a long time. Why

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Speaker 2: are we so scared of Friday the thirteenth? You know,

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Speaker 2: it's still happening. People still feel the same way, and

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Speaker 2: I think the reasons that you've written down are pretty

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Speaker 2: much the same reasons that people still stick with.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, we You know. An interesting thing is because

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Speaker 3: you know, we've had a Friday the thirteenth already this year,

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Speaker 3: and I was speaking to somebody at work and she said, oh,

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Speaker 3: doesn't that just come from the film? You know, the

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Speaker 3: film Friday the Thirteenth and turned into this big franchise

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Speaker 3: and endless she calls all this. And I was quite

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Speaker 3: interested in that reaction because I think it shows a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a sort of disengagement from our own

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Speaker 3: kind of folk law and that people are just looking at,

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Speaker 3: you know, pop culture thinking it comes from that. And

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Speaker 3: you know, one of the an interesting little sort of

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Speaker 3: factoid is that before they released four, Warner Brothers released

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Speaker 3: the film Friday of the thirteen. They did a little survey.

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Speaker 3: They thought, oh, are we going to call it this?

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Speaker 3: Does anybody know what it means? And so I think

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Speaker 3: this was back in before the film came out, in

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Speaker 3: like nineteen eighty I think. And so they did this survey, and.

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Speaker 4: They didn't really release a great deal of the kind

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Speaker 4: of the details of the survey, but you know, they

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Speaker 4: act a bunch of people, Friday the thirteenth, are you

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Speaker 4: worried about?

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Speaker 3: It? Was the kind of the gist of the survey,

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Speaker 3: and they discovered that about one in three people admitted

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Speaker 3: to yes, having some kind of anxieties around that date.

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Speaker 3: So that essentially was how the film Friday the thirteenth

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Speaker 3: came about. That they thought, Okay, there's enough actual public

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Speaker 3: recognition all this day as being you know, a superstitious

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Speaker 3: and potentially a dangerous moment of time, and they went

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Speaker 3: ahead with that. And then you know, now forward all

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Speaker 3: those years, people are beginning to think that Friday the

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Speaker 3: thirteenth invented Friday the thirteenth. So it's a bit of

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Speaker 3: a an irony there.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm not from that group at all, because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I remember Friday the thirteenth before that and without the movies.

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Speaker 2: But you're right, there are people that totally think that

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Speaker 2: you're right. They even have some true crime shows Friday

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Speaker 2: the Thirteenth Murders where there's only deaths on Friday the

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Speaker 2: thirteenth that they cover, So probably people think about that too.

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Speaker 3: So yea.

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Speaker 2: So, so you have a whole bunch of reasons that

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Speaker 2: go way, way way back, and they're very interesting. I

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Speaker 2: never knew it about Jesus, by the way, I never

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Speaker 2: knew with the Lord's Supper there, right.

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, that's super interesting. You know. I think

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Speaker 3: when you when you were talking to Tom, he had

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Speaker 3: he had a few of the facts I was hoping

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Speaker 3: to throw at you tonight, but he didn't have these ones.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so the you know, where did it come from?

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Speaker 5: That?

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the kind of the next question, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: We thought it's okay, it doesn't come from the movie franchise.

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Speaker 3: It was around before then, And what's it all about?

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Speaker 3: If you if you look at the kind of the

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Speaker 3: strict history of it, you know, when was it first

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Speaker 3: mentioned and all that, it's relatively recent. And then although

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Speaker 3: it was an an English language biography of an Italian

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Speaker 3: composer called Rossini, and he died on the Friday, the

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Speaker 3: thirteenth of November eighteen sixty eight. And he apparently he'd

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Speaker 3: always thought that, you know, Friday and thirteen were unlucky,

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Speaker 3: going to happen to him on those dates, and something did.

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Speaker 3: He actually shuffled off his mortal coil on that date.

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Speaker 3: And then there was a novel a few years later

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Speaker 3: about non scrupulous stockbroker who exploits the superstition to trigger

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Speaker 3: I think both of these sources, although they seem quite recent,

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Speaker 3: you know, they're both talking about a pre existing idea,

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Speaker 3: even though we don't really have very many written sources

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Speaker 3: you know, one of the biggest things in Christian symbolism

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Speaker 3: with the thirteenth being Judas. And this was on a Thursday,

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Speaker 3: according to your tradition, and you know, the day before

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Speaker 3: he was Jesus was crucified on the Friday. So it

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Speaker 3: brings both the number thirteen, which was inauspicious then, and

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Speaker 3: Friday into very close alignment, although we don't really know

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Speaker 3: that that's what cemented it at that time. And you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a story about a banquet and a thirteenth guest,

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Speaker 3: so it's an interesting comparison. So it turns out that

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Speaker 3: the god Loki was an uninvited thirteenth guest at a

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Speaker 3: of being the kind of the tricks to God, a

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Speaker 3: presence there at this banquet ultimately led to the death

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Speaker 3: of the god Balder, who was you know, very much

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Speaker 3: all the rest of it. So there was, again, you know,

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Speaker 3: somehow thirteen was just going a bit too far beyond

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Speaker 3: that magical number of twelve. And I think we have

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Speaker 3: thirty twelve signs of the zodiac. And you know, it

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Speaker 3: has a sort of a certain resonance, the number twelve.

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Speaker 6: And I know you're going to want some after hearing this.

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Speaker 6: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: We've got Stephen and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine

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Speaker 6: years old now, was suffering with not just one or

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Speaker 6: all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability

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Speaker 6: to really function.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil

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Speaker 5: to right. It was Tie's book actually that got me

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Speaker 5: thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. It is an amazing immunal modulator, and

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Speaker 1: so I can see that it would work.

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Speaker 6: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 6: was actually improvement it's really going to work.

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Speaker 5: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller

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Speaker 5: and then going down to the with just little red marks.

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Speaker 5: The whole things are gone and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 5: you know, one the size of the warner. I thought,

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Speaker 5: no way, that's gonna Wow. It's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 5: see him get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 6: Yes, how wonderful. It's great to see him so happy

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Speaker 6: and yeah, confident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 3: There's also another interesting coincidence possibly and this is sort

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Speaker 3: of a bit hotly debated whether or not it's entirely true,

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Speaker 3: but this days back to the thirteenth of October thirteen

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Speaker 3: We supposedly had this image of Baphomet that they worshiped,

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Speaker 3: All of those elements said into later witchcraft persecutions, the

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Speaker 2: Why do you think this stuff kind of happens? Is

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Speaker 2: it just people just wanting to jump on getting dramatic

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Speaker 3: Some of this stuff, well, well absolutely these it's a

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Speaker 3: is it a flaw? Not really, It's not just a

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Speaker 3: quirk of the human brain, because, as they say, it

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Speaker 3: So e jus, my boy, my voice always seems to

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Speaker 2: I'll talk a little bit here. But we got about

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you this, the fear of Friday

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Speaker 2: the thirteenth thousand name, and you are the doctor. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to let you say it if you can.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I think we need to do a bit

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Speaker 3: of a practice first. So okay, everyone knows this. It's

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Speaker 3: super califragilistic. I thought that too. That's what I thought.

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Speaker 3: get I'll just loosen at me your tongue. So far,

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Speaker 3: Friday the thirteenth, it's called paraskevvy decca tria phobia.

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Speaker 2: There you go, say it real fast, three times. Come on,

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Speaker 2: bring it on, let's go.

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Speaker 3: Paras heavy Decca tree of phobia, paraskevy Decca treeophobia, paris

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Speaker 3: heavy deca treeophobia.

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Speaker 2: That was it was getting where Yeah, good job, good

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Speaker 2: job man, that's good stuff. I knew you could pull

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Speaker 2: it out.

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Speaker 3: It's a combination of a bunch of Greek words that

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Speaker 3: mean Friday and the thirteenth and fear off. So phobia

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Speaker 3: was no, you know, fear off, and then I think

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Speaker 3: paras skeavy is is Friday, and then deca tria is thirteen,

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Speaker 3: and then you have, you know, Friday thirteen fear off.

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