1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: I'm moher. Have you spent any time on TikTok recently? 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 2: No? 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Have you seen this girl who does the fupantha smash? Well, 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: let me tell you all about it. You're gonna get 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: a kick out of this. 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: Senora, Yora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Senora, Hi, Senora. 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: Welcome to Senora. Sex Ed Senora sex Said is not 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: your mommy's sex talk. This show is la platica like 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: you've never heard it before. With each episode, we're breaking 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: the stigma and silence around sex and sexuality in LATINX communities. 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: Latinas have been hyper sexualized in popular culture, but notoriously 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: denied sex education. This podcast is an intergenerational conversation between 13 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: Latinas from gen X to gen Z. We're covering all 14 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: kinds of topics, from puberty and body image to representation 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: in film, television, and music. 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: Remember that in this show, a Senora is a woman 17 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: with a lot of life experiences and stories to share. 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: Maybe she's in her thirties or her forties or fifties, 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: even older. Maybe she's trans, maybe she sis. 20 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: We are your host and producers, Viosa and Mala. 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: You might recognize our voices from our other podcast, Look 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: at Tora Radio. Since twenty sixteen, we've covered all kinds 23 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: of topics, ranging from politics, to mental health, current events, 24 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: and of course sex. We still have so much to 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: learn and we hope you listen to each episode with 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: the Senoras and Senoritas in Your Life. 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: Chapter seven, Family First, then God. Before we bring on 28 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: today's guest, we want to discuss an instance, a moment 29 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: where we taught a senora or a woman older than 30 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 2: us about something in particular. In today's episode, you'll hear 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: how our guest did that with her family, so we 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: want to talk about maybe how we did that with ours. 33 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: So I have a very specific example that actually relates 34 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: back to Senora sex Ed. My mom has been listening 35 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: to Senora sex Ed and after her first listen, she 36 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: texted me and said, what does sis mean? What is sis? 37 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: And that was a moment for me to teach her 38 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: about cis gender and transgender identities. And what I said 39 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: to my mom is that a cisgender person is someone 40 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: who's gender identity and expression in one way or another 41 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: matches their sex assigned at birth. And it was a 42 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: moment I meant to also talk about how we are 43 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: cis gender women. I think that a lot, like a 44 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: lot of Senoras and older Latinas, It's likely that she 45 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: had never heard the term cis gender and did not 46 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: realize that that's what she is and that's what I am. 47 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: So that was a very recent teachable moment that came 48 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: about because of this podcast. 49 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: I love that example. For me, mine is kind of 50 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: in that realm, but mine is with the word queer. 51 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: My mom came of age in the seventies and at 52 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: the time, saying the word queer was like saying a 53 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: derogatory term towards someone, towards a queer person, and so 54 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: my mom definitely stayed away from using that word. So 55 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: when I was in my early twenties and I started 56 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: using it because the queer community started reclaiming it and 57 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: I started identifying as queer, my mom had a really 58 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: hard time feeling comfortable with that word even hearing it, 59 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: because she still felt like, this is not a word 60 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: that we say. And so we had that discussion of 61 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: what it means to reclaim certain terms and how different 62 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: communities decide what they're reclaiming and how they identify. And 63 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: so now she is definitely more comfortable when hearing it 64 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: or seeing it, And it was one of those open 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: conversations where I had to tell her it's not necessarily 66 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: about you and your comfort level, but it's how a 67 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: community identifies. And so that was one instance where we 68 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: had to where I had to teach her, if you will, 69 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: of the development of a word and how its meaning 70 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: can change over the years depending how communities decide to 71 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: reclaim it. 72 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 4: I am beautiful, I am worthy of success. My transition 73 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: is my transition, and it's my journey. 74 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: That's Naomi Heart's, a twenty six year old Chicana trans 75 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: woman and content creator. 76 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 4: I feel like my version of sex at is super 77 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 4: blurred because on one hand, I feel like my mom 78 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: was pretty active in informing me what sex is, especially 79 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: growing up like mel before I transitioned, she really was like, 80 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 4: we're condoms. You don't want to get anyone pregnant, And 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 4: I was like, actually, that's not going to happen, but 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: thank you for letting me know. And then I feel 83 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 4: like I learned more in school as well, But I 84 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 4: guess like my first actual introduction was my mom just 85 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 4: trying to break it down a little bit for me. 86 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: When Naomi was in the seventh grade, she felt compelled 87 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: to come out to her mother. While driving to Thanksgiving dinner, 88 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: Naomi tried to get the words out. 89 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: And something compelled me to kind of like speak to 90 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: her and tell her, like, I'm gay, and it just 91 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: didn't come out. It was just tears instead. And then 92 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: my mom was like, just say you're gay, like she 93 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 4: just knew, which was so interesting to me, And I 94 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: was like, you knew. But in my mind, just being 95 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: like Mexican and Latina and like all of that, and 96 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: hearing the stories of like families just not being supportive 97 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: just because of how they grew up, I was just 98 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 4: really terrified that she was not going to accept me. 99 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 4: But she was really welcoming and opening about it. The 100 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: only thing that was crazy to me was that she 101 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: was like, Okay, now that you told me at dinner, 102 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 4: we got to tell everyone else. I was like, oh, 103 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: so my cousin's already new because like we're pretty close, 104 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: we're really tight knit, but like my aunts and uncles 105 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 4: did not know. 106 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: Naomi was not ready to be out to her entire family, 107 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: But in retrospect, she's kind of grateful she had that push. 108 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 4: But I think I'm kind of grateful, because I've learned 109 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: that the kind of person I am is I'm someone 110 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 4: who sometimes meet that extra push to stand for what 111 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 4: I want to stand for, just because I get nervous 112 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: of like ruffling feathers or making people uncomfortable more so 113 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 4: than myself, And so by her pushing me, I feel 114 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 4: like in that moment, I was a little frustrated, and 115 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: maybe that stuck with me for a bit, But as 116 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: I get older, I realized, like, actually, I think that 117 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: was her way of just like, get it over with, 118 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: it's okay. And you know, like a lot of people 119 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: in my family are LGBT, very very interesting. 120 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the saying primero dios. It translates 121 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: to God first, which signifies exactly that above all, God 122 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: comes first. But Naomi's family had a different saying. 123 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: But my grandparents are super duper supportive, like they're really religious. 124 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: But my grandma's always told me, like, before God, it's family. 125 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: She's always said that, and it's rare to find that, 126 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: and she was like, it's always family first. And so 127 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: I think that really helped us out a lot, because 128 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: we don't get that. 129 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: In the tenth grade, Naomi started questioning her identity once again. 130 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 4: It doesn't feel that long ago, and it really isn't 131 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: that long ago. There wasn't a lot of like knowledge 132 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 4: about what being trans was and being transgender, and so 133 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 4: I was conflicted a lot, like am I just a 134 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: really feminine gay man? 135 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: Like? 136 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: Am I something wrong with me? Because it just I 137 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: did not feel like myself. And then I actually joined 138 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 4: this LGBT group in high school where I met a 139 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: trans person and they just kind of shared their experience 140 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 4: with me, and I was like, it just clicked. 141 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: Naomi sat her mom down a second time to have 142 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: another talk. 143 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: Here I go again coming to my mom having to 144 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 4: come out a second time, and I was like, you know, 145 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 4: I don't think I'm gay, and she was like confused 146 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: for a bed and I told her, I think I'm transgender, 147 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 4: and in that moment she was like, I don't know 148 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: what that is. I love you and I'm going to 149 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: support you and we're going to do it together. 150 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: Once again. Naomi's family motto family first, then God rang true. 151 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: My mom's always been super supportive and like my family 152 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: from my mom's side has always been super sip. My 153 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: Grandma's always been like that. Her sisters are like aren't 154 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: you concerned with all of these people in your family 155 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: like queer And she was like okay, Like and what 156 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 4: about it always? And it's just it always makes U 157 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 4: feel comfortable going around, like our family in Mexico, because 158 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 4: we know that she'll say something like she's not going 159 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: to allow people to just even her host the blatant's 160 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 4: like bad mouth her kids and her grandkids. 161 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: We hope you're enjoying this conversation. Stay tuned, there's more 162 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: to come. 163 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking around. We are back. 164 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: When Naomi transitioned, she learned how to practice self love 165 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: regardless of what others might have to say. 166 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: And then when I transitioned, I learned to kind of 167 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: like fall in love with my body because people were like, oh, well, 168 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: you're gonna transition and you're gonna be fat, Like why 169 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: are you doing it? And I was always getting questioned 170 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: about transitioning, and I was like, there are fat women, fascists, 171 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: women who exist in this world and are doing fine. 172 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: And so as I transitioned and learn how to be confident, 173 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: my sex became more about like sex and feeling good 174 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 4: versus like China fill avoid if that makes sense. 175 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: Over the decades, Western beauty standards have fluctuated. Generally, beauty 176 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: standards have idealized whiteness and thinness. 177 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: There are so many standards that we have for beauty, 178 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 4: for weight, for everything, like we always have to look 179 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 4: some type of way, We always have to do something. 180 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 4: And I learned that for me, as long as I 181 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 4: feel good about my body, as long as I feel 182 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 4: good about myself, as long as I know that I'm 183 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 4: a good person, that's what's important. 184 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: Systems like colonialism, white supremacy, and capitalism have made it 185 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: impossible for young women not to internalize Western ideas of beauty, 186 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: and often the onus has put on the individual to 187 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: love themselves. Naomi recognize is that self love is an 188 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: ongoing journey. 189 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 4: I always tell everyone this journey is not for the week, 190 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: but it's definitely a journey that every person should go 191 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: on and realize that everything that you were told, whatever 192 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 4: people said about you that was negative, is not you, 193 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 4: but a projection of them onto you. Because we growing 194 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: up right like growing up fat, I never thought it 195 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 4: was a problem. 196 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: Like many Latinas, Naomi heard negative comments about her body 197 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: from relatives. Did you ever receive unwanted feedback about your body? 198 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: From your mother or even you're a wuilita. This is 199 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: how Naomi processed those types of comments. 200 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 4: But it was like my mother or my grandmother telling 201 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: me you shouldn't eat that, like that's too much, you know, 202 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 4: And looking at at it now, I realized that it 203 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 4: was their projection and their hurt that they were dealing with. 204 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 4: And I don't blame them for it. I talk to 205 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 4: them about it. I've acknowledged it, but I don't blame 206 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: them because they went through the same thing. And so 207 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 4: how do we break these generational curses? 208 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: Naomi talks to her bodemass about fatness and invites them 209 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: to participate in body positive spaces. 210 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 4: I take them to places where they can see fat joy, right, So, 211 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: like there's this place that we love to go to 212 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 4: called thick Thrift, and it's every two months and it's 213 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 4: just like a bunch of plus sized people, plus size vendors, 214 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 4: and just seeing all these fat people together smiling and 215 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 4: happy and like, you know, they're not thinking about the 216 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: negative perception of us in the world. Like I'm like, 217 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: you want to come to thick Theft, Like let's go, 218 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 4: like just taking them so they can see other people 219 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: just living happily in their body, Like that's a way 220 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: that I'll do it. We also have conversations too, where 221 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 4: it's more of just like checking it, so like I 222 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: if I'm present and I hear a comment that they 223 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 4: make about themselves, we're like, hey, like how can we 224 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: work this differently? 225 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Naomi uses that same body positive talk to create content online. 226 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: Her content is a blend of self love and comedy. 227 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: Some users have claimed her posts are self deprecating, but 228 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: Naomi says she's taking her power back. 229 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 4: I really like making the content I make because I 230 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: feel like I was on this journey for so long 231 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 4: of accepting myself and accepting my body, and it's a 232 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: way of me reclaiming these things that people say about me. 233 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: So they say stuff deprecating I say, reclaiming things that 234 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 4: people say about me already and that they're gonna say 235 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: about me regardless of what I do. People say me 236 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 4: using the word fat, even that just me saying like fat, 237 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 4: A lot of people are not comfortable. Even sometimes it's 238 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: even like fat people, they're like just uncomfortable with that 239 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: word because it's been used so negatively, right, Like it's 240 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 4: just such a negative word that people say towards us, 241 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 4: but I'm like, in reality, it's just the word. 242 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: Naomi has a series called fu ban Sa Smash, But 243 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: what is a Fupansa? 244 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 4: Obviously pansa stomach and Spanish, and so I was like, 245 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 4: banza's there, and then fupa is the word everyone gets 246 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 4: wrong because it's they our stomach that kind of SAgs 247 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 4: a little bit a fupa, which that's not what it is. 248 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 4: The pupa's like right above the vagina. And so I 249 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 4: put that together to in two fu panza smash, and 250 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 4: it just kind of blew up. 251 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: Okay. 252 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: So you guys are asking for tutorial, so I'm going 253 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 4: to give it to you. My husband's unaware of what's 254 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: going on, so you're gonna face me ever, gonna just 255 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,119 Speaker 4: damn And that's how you do the smash, okay, because. 256 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: There's in these videos, Naomi uses her fupanza as her 257 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: own form of digital physical comedy, poking fun at herself 258 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: and also sort of teasing her husband, who is often 259 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: her co star. In a lot of her online content. 260 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: Naomi witnesses how the beauty and fashion industry began to 261 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: embrace larger bodies, but she also recognizes there's been a 262 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: shift once again. 263 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: There's been kind of this turn up of events recently. Specifically, 264 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 4: I feel like it's always been hard for Latinas in 265 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 4: general becoming content creators, getting booked. That's always been something 266 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 4: that's been difficult, even in traditional media, but add in 267 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 4: like being plus sized or being trans. Like I think 268 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, because COVID was happening and people were 269 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: gaining weight, we were stressed all of this stuff that 270 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 4: was happening. It became kind of like a self love 271 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 4: era for a little bit, and then people started to 272 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 4: lose the weight once we got out the house, and 273 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 4: it became like we hate fatties, and I was like, oh, 274 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: and so that seeing that landscape change of like brands 275 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 4: being so body positive and then it just going away. 276 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: The media landscape can be harsh, especially to women and 277 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: most especially to fat women trans women, and it can 278 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: be very easy to internalize negative comments. But Naomi keeps 279 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: these words of affirmation close. 280 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 4: I am beautiful, I am worthy of success. My transition 281 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: is my transition and it's my journey. And by that 282 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 4: I mean like I feel like, as humans, we like 283 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 4: to play comparison game, and this is with anything with 284 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: work with relationships with transitions, and so for me, it's like, 285 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: my transition is my transition, and that's all that matters. 286 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: And it does not matter to me if I look 287 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 4: like the next trans person. Like for me, it's how 288 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: I look and how I feel. So making sure people 289 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: know that, like your transition and your journey is sacred 290 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: and you don't have to look like everyone else, I 291 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: think is very important. 292 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: We hope you're enjoying this conversation. Stay tuned, there's more 293 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: to come. 294 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for sticking around. 295 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: We are back. 296 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: Naomi defines her time after her transition as quote living stealth. 297 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: Here's what that means. 298 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: I was fully comfortable in my transition and transness. I 299 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 4: want to say, say, like around the time I finished 300 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 4: high school, so twenty sixteen, and I got a job 301 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: pretty quickly, and so for me, out of fear of 302 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 4: like being trans outside of school, right, And so living 303 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: stealth means you just don't tell people that you're transgender. 304 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 4: And that's definitely a privilege and the possibility thing because 305 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: not everyone has access to medically transition, but I was 306 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: one of the few that did. And like grateful forever, 307 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 4: grateful for my family and my mom and all of that, 308 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 4: but I was living stealth. 309 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Once Naomi began dating, she navigated the disclosure of her 310 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: trans identity to potential dates. 311 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 4: When I was dating, This is another thing I don't recommend. 312 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: I wouldn't disclose my transition right away, especially if I 313 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: didn't feel like it was going to lead anywhere. So 314 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: like I would go on a date here or there, 315 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 4: but it was never anything serious. So I was on 316 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 4: like Tinder and I would just go and dates and 317 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 4: I would just go see how it feels and like 318 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: have a good time. And I mean, for the most part, 319 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 4: it was good. Like I never had any issues. Again, 320 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 4: I always tell the girl, make sure you disclose it, 321 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: make sure you're safe. That's always, for me, the most 322 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 4: important thing. But at that time, like I was young, 323 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 4: I was just going out. But it was definitely an 324 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 4: interesting time. 325 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 2: When Naomi was out one night, her date grabbed her 326 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: hand and revealed this to her. 327 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 4: I think only one time did I ever feel kind 328 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: of like nervous because we were at the movies and 329 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: such a weirdo grab my hand and was like doing 330 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 4: this palm reading thing and he was like I know something, 331 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 4: and I was like what, and he was like, you 332 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: were born a man, I said. I said ooh, And 333 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I got in my feelings 334 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 4: or whatever, but it's the truth. So I didn't say anything. 335 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 4: I was like oh, and he was like, I didn't 336 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 4: say you are one. I said you were born one. 337 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: And then we went home and had sacks. 338 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: For Naomi, disclosing her trans identity was a safety tool. 339 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: If the person reacted well, she could keep dating them. 340 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: If not, she stayed away. But Naomi also knows the 341 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: decision to disclose is extremely personal. 342 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 4: I feel like for me, disclosing is just important for 343 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: safety one hundred percent, just because like, unfortunately we don't 344 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 4: live in a world where everyone's as accepting to trans people, 345 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 4: and you don't want to ever get in a situation 346 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 4: where it can get violent. And so for me, like 347 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 4: at that time again, doing all of this journey on 348 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 4: my own, without like trans mentors or like people on 349 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 4: social media who I can look at like, I was 350 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: just doing what I thought was best at the time 351 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: for me, And like now that I'm older and looking 352 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 4: back at it, I'm like, oof, I don't know if 353 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: that is something that I necessarily would do again, But yeah, 354 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 4: I think for me. It's like, disclosing is so important, 355 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 4: but I also feel like it is ultimately up to 356 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: the trans person. 357 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 2: Like many women her age, Naomi used dating apps to 358 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: meet potential love interest. 359 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 4: On that tender phase. When I went on a lot 360 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: of dates and I was just kind of like seeing 361 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: what was out there. He super liked me, and I 362 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, and he swears he didn't. He 363 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: swears up and down he didn't. But I was like, 364 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 4: at that time, I was like, you're not really my type. 365 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 4: You're like really nerdy. I wasn't really looking at that, 366 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 4: but I was like, you're bold for super likings, so 367 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 4: let's see where it goes. But whatever, to each their own, 368 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 4: that's my truth. 369 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: After two months of dating, Naomi told her then boyfriend 370 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: about her identity. 371 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 4: We started meeting in person, and so when we first 372 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 4: started chatting, I did not disclose that I was trans 373 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: to him. I just wanted to kind of chat and 374 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 4: see where it lan. But before we met, I told 375 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: him that I was trans, and I texted him I 376 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: was like, I understand if you don't want to see 377 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: me anymore, understand whatever your feelings are, but I just 378 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 4: want to let you know before we meet in person, 379 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 4: and so he was like, oh cool. That was like, 380 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: oh cool. 381 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: Cool with me. 382 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 4: I was like great, no issue is cool. 383 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: Two years into their relationship, Naomi's then boyfriend claims not 384 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: to actually have known about her transition. 385 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: We end up like going on for a while. We 386 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 4: hooked up even and still didn't know somehow could listen. 387 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: I don't want to get to the logistics in the 388 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 4: details of what was happening, but okay. And then I 389 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 4: think in like twenty eighteen, like two years into our relationship, 390 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: he was coming over more and more and more and 391 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 4: he found I think it was a picture of me 392 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 4: and my mom when I was younger, pre transition, and 393 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 4: he was like, what is this? And we had to 394 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 4: sit down conversation. I know it's really crazy, but we 395 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 4: had to sit down conversation, and like I explained it 396 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 4: to him because for some reason between then and then 397 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: he did not know what trans was. It was okay, cool, 398 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 4: and so his response to me was like, I didn't 399 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 4: fall in love with who you used to be, but 400 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 4: who you are, which I was like, okay, let's get. 401 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: Married, and they did get married. Naomi is still not 402 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: entirely sure how her identity wasn't clear to him, but 403 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: she's not hung up on it. 404 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 4: We never really got into it. I think he was 405 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 4: kind of like, I don't know, actually I've never I 406 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 4: think he was more so like okay, cool in the 407 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 4: sense that I don't really think he read it, and 408 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 4: then when we had a conversation about it, that's when 409 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: he was like understanding it more. I think he was 410 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 4: just misinformed on what it was. 411 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: Naomi has advice for anyone that's dating a trans person 412 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: that decides to disclose. 413 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 4: To them with anybody, right, Like, we're not linear, and 414 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 4: so I think there's when it comes to dating and 415 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 4: having those conversations. I always say, for me respectfully, like 416 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: I love a pronoun, so preferred pronouns always you never 417 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 4: know with people, and so I think that it's something 418 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 4: that people should think about. I always say tread with 419 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 4: caution when it comes to surgeries, just because like, not 420 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 4: everyone is super open about that, So asking about surgery 421 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 4: is just kind of like tread with caution. And whether 422 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: it's a friend, especially early dating, maybe once you get 423 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 4: more into the heavy relationship, like that's a conversation you 424 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 4: guys can have more openly, but that would be it 425 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 4: just kind of just be respectful, like treat us like 426 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: we're not different, you know. I think that would be 427 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 4: really important to do. 428 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: One of the things Naomi is navigating is whether she 429 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 2: and her husband will have children. 430 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 4: My husband and I had a really open conversation about kids. 431 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 4: And it's funny because I was always someone who was 432 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: against it, and he was someone who always wanted kids, 433 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 4: And now it's kind of switched where it's like he 434 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 4: does not want kids anymore and I do. But we 435 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 4: kind of had like a really deep and open conversation 436 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: and we're like, by the time I'm twenty eight and 437 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 4: he's thirty, that we're going to start trying to have kids. 438 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: Naomi's husband asked her why she wanted to have kids. 439 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: This is what she had to say. 440 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 4: I don't want a mini me, Like I don't want 441 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 4: a kid to like grow up and be like me. 442 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 4: I think for me, it's more so like being able 443 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 4: to raise someone to just be a better person, being 444 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 4: able to raise someone with the lessons I've learned. Right 445 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 4: going back to that where it's like I feel growing 446 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 4: up word doubt a lot of cards in life, and 447 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: we're out a lot of things that we have to learn, 448 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: and so I think for me, just being able to 449 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 4: experience raising a good person with someone you love is 450 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 4: something that I really really want to do. And so 451 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 4: we finally I guess the answer was good enough, and 452 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 4: he was like, Okay, like we can go ahead and try. 453 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: Whether it Sarah is your adoption, we don't know yet, 454 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: but yeah, definitely excited for that. 455 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: On this episode of Senora, seg said, Naomi taught us 456 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: how differently life can look for different types of Latinas. 457 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: For her, as a trans Latina, puberty, coming out, self actualization, 458 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: finding love had a very particular feel and look for her. 459 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: She walked us through her multiple transitions in life and 460 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: how a supportive family and a loving partner made all 461 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: of it a beautiful experience at the end of it all. 462 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: Next time on Senora sex Said, we're joined by Mexican 463 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 2: actress Laura Patalano. You might have seen her in Mosquito. 464 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: Mari heentified or this fool. 465 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 5: She even told me explore yourself. I was like, what 466 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 5: what is that? What are you talking about? Explore yourself 467 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 5: because nobody's going to know what it feels like if 468 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 5: you if you know where the points of pleasure are 469 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 5: for your own body, you know. So that was very 470 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: important for me because I was I was very young. 471 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 4: I wasn't eighteen, No Spamma's cell. 472 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: Senora Sex Said is a co production between LOCATORA Productions 473 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: and My Coltura podcast Network. 474 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: This show is executive produced by Mala Munos and Them. 475 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: Also executive produced by Jisell. 476 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: Bances, produced by Stephanie Franco. 477 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 2: Creative direction by Mala Munios. 478 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: Story editing by Biosafem. 479 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: Music direction by Grisol Lomeli and 480 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: Music produced by Brian Gazzo.