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Speaker 1: All right, we're back Talking to Death. It's just me

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Speaker 1: and Dylan today. Hey, that's because Mike is upstairs working

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Speaker 1: on the next episode of Up and Vanished. We've hit

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Speaker 1: that point where things are starting to meet up with

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Speaker 1: real time. Now. It's a lot to unpack, and so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna jump right into it from the moment that

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Speaker 1: I first stepped down and know, it didn't take very

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Speaker 1: long before we started to learn about this guy that

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Speaker 1: Flow was allegedly last scene with in his tent, who

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Speaker 1: had her things. We've been learned that this person went

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Speaker 1: by the nickname Oregon John. Through some more digging, we

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Speaker 1: besides the theories that this girl Kelly was saying that

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Speaker 1: And when we got there, I hit him up on

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Speaker 2: Man, it was an intense time to start to finish.

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Speaker 1: David Robinson. We went to Orlando to go to Crime Con,

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Speaker 1: David Robinson's mission to find his son Daniel, just go

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Speaker 1: to Please Help Find Daniel dot Com. Our next guest

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Speaker 1: I'm doing Will doing Will's back. Ind I bet it's

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Speaker 1: been a busy week for you for weekend.

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Speaker 4: It has been productive though, It's been very productive. So

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Speaker 1: So tell me what you're doing here in Orlando this weekend.

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Speaker 1: What's your mission.

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Speaker 4: Here right now here in crime con My mission is

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Speaker 4: to get my son's story out. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: Why do you think that's an important thing to do

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Speaker 4: Well, I was, I'm a retired military guy doing what

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. And receive a.

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Speaker 3: Or that's right?

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Speaker 4: And I wasn't there to observe and know what's going

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Speaker 1: Law Yeah, you don't want to send somebody here, and

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Speaker 4: Well, a law enforcement hadn't been doing the thing. Initially,

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Speaker 3: Really, but when I found out.

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Speaker 4: The day of when I found out information of myself

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Speaker 4: That's when I grabbed everything I could at my home

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Speaker 4: Well, as I was traveling, I started learning more information

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Speaker 1: So why is it that your son was with this

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Speaker 3: Well, yes they did.

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Speaker 4: My son had two assignments that day, two weale sites,

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Speaker 4: My son made it to son all the parkway. The

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Speaker 4: I understand they had a brief conversation, and my son

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Speaker 3: And that's when we never heard of Danie ever again.

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Speaker 4: No, The vehicle showed up thirty days later, you know.

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Speaker 3: Away from that well site.

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Speaker 4: It's farther into the remote part of the desert, down

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Speaker 3: No, it would not.

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Speaker 4: It would not because it has a lot farther from

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Speaker 3: Where is the main mad that road there?

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Speaker 4: It's further out into the desert's going out west to nowhere,

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Speaker 1: So how do you rationalize that? Then? Where does that

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Speaker 4: And initially I didn't know what des about it, and

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Speaker 4: He said he may have just from the the detective

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that's exactly the initial things I have gotten

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Speaker 1: That's why you know that about sums Up. I would

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Speaker 3: Where bosses a breeze. I'm like, how would I know that?

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Speaker 4: He's a grown man, right, But he said where everything

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Speaker 1: He would have been naked at some point, right.

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Speaker 4: I guess it finally died. And then they found the

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Speaker 3: Yes? He did?

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Speaker 4: And my forty nine wee SI serches. Yes, I never

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Speaker 4: was provided. Where all the tools that were there can

440
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 4: give us locations and video. What's something law enforce would

441
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 4: claim they could not get, you know, So those type deals.

442
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: I've heard in some cases that a family member can

443
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: petition with the cell phone carrier and oftentimes they do

444
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: give it to you. I mean, you'd be the only

445
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: person you could probably get that. But yeah, I would

446
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: just try to go around those guys.

447
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah we did, and that's what. Yeah, it's not yet.

448
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: When you do that. I don't even know what that

449
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: process is like.

450
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 3: It's rough.

451
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 4: I've been meeting with some of the lobbyists and some

452
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 4: of the other folks this meeting, trying to get them

453
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 4: to release our data. It's actually my son's phone was

454
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 4: my daughter's service, so it's her data, you know, trying

455
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 4: to get it from them. So we're trying to get

456
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: some things done to make sure we sive that. I

457
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 4: even going as far as trying to help get lost

458
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 4: pass to both of that through these these tail of

459
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: communications departments, you know, phone companies and things, to make

460
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 4: sure that it's our data we should be.

461
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: Able to get in circumstances like that, him being missing

462
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: and you and you see this weird scene with the

463
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: car and the clothes, what do you start put piecing

464
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: together in your head in terms of trying to figure

465
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 1: out how it looks like this and why this is

466
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: the way it is and he's nowhere to be found.

467
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: Is your mind like put together scenarios?

468
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: I could put anything. At first, I just listened, like

469
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 4: I said, to what law Forcement had to say. Once

470
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 4: I got my private investigator, he's an accident reconstructionist. He

471
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: immediately looked at the scene and said, hey, no, this

472
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 4: is not right. It's a stage event. He felt like

473
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 4: it was, but he wasn't too sure until he physically

474
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 4: examined the vehicle. Of course, you guys, if you know

475
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: the story, Law Force meant the vehicles found on the nineteenth.

476
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 4: On the twenty, they gave vehicle over to me everything

477
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: for safe keep and say, hey, he's coming back for

478
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 4: his things. So I was able to have my investigator

479
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: to go through that vehicle and he initially immediately saw

480
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 4: something not right. There was the damage domes terrain, there

481
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 4: was red transferred pain on the side of the vehicle.

482
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 4: There's nothing red in the desert lying on the side. Also,

483
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: once he got the examined the black bots data, there

484
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 4: was eleven this there was eleven mouse astro on the.

485
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: Vehicle after the crash.

486
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: What does that mean after the air bads deployed, somebody

487
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: drove the vehicle of eleven miles additional mouse. I didn't

488
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: know vill because he could do that once the airbad deployed.

489
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 4: But that's what he says. And also the data on

490
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 4: the black box showed there was forty six initial cycles.

491
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 4: That mean the vehicles cranked forty six times after the

492
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: airbad deployed. And so it would be physically impossible for

493
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: a vehicle sitting on the side and somebody sitting there

494
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 4: cranking it up forty six times. So you know, he

495
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 4: always had all the information he had to knowing that

496
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: the vehicles actually that stage event was put there a

497
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: couple with the person who found the vehicles was the rancher.

498
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 4: The rancher found the vehicle on July to nineteenth. He

499
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 4: was out there on July to seventeenth in that same

500
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 4: ravine because his cattle goes through there to go to

501
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 4: a corral, and it wasn't there on the seventeen, but

502
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 4: then he came back on the nineteenth, it was sitting.

503
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: There, and so he stopped responding on the seventeenth.

504
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 4: Well, for now, Daniel didn't stop. He stopped responding to

505
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: that he went missing. So which you day was that

506
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: that was June twenty third or twenty twenty one?

507
00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So.

508
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: This other person who was out there with him, I mean,

509
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: is that just not automatically who people should be looking at,

510
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: or is this I would say, I think that we're

511
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: running out of I think thinking beyond that until you

512
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: clear that it's not even where you should be looking.

513
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: It's like, right, and what's your assessment of that? I mean,

514
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put you on the spot to

515
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: like say anything about him, but like, what's going on.

516
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: I don't believe the story he gave me.

517
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: The story, like I told you, bullshit meter on this

518
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 4: person because he changed his story.

519
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: He changed the story.

520
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 4: Of course, I had no reason not to believe the

521
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 4: story is what law enforcement gave me. Once I got

522
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 4: to Phenix, Arizona. I made arrangements to meet this guy

523
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: in the same place my son met. I'm right on

524
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 4: the side of some villa parkway. He initially sent someone

525
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: else from that whale site. I don't know who this

526
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 4: guy was. I thought it was him. The guy at

527
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: the really strange try to get me in the vehicle,

528
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: and he was asking me why I wanted to speak

529
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 4: to him. And then when I finally got past that part,

530
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 4: the guy went and made a phone call out of earshot.

531
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: He actually saw that I was an earshot. He moved

532
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: his vehicle.

533
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: Ford that had a conversation with His name is Ken,

534
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: the guy, and then he rolled back and said, well,

535
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: Ken said he's gonna come on up. So he came

536
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 4: up there. Ken got his vehicle. First thing he did,

537
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: he had a utility truck with his hand in. I'm

538
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 4: a military guy. I washed hands. That's what we're trained

539
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 4: to do. He moved his hand movements as if he

540
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: was holding a weapon inside his compartment his utility truck.

541
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: And I guess once he figured that I wasn't a threat,

542
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 4: I guess I put up here trying to get information.

543
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 4: He started talking to me. Once he did that, he

544
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 4: gave me. It's almost like it was a written thing.

545
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: He said, word from word, but the law enforcement officer

546
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 4: told me, I mean it's word from word. But then

547
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: when he got comfortable because I used a technique that

548
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: I learned in the military to make a person feel

549
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: really comfortable. And then when he did it, that's when

550
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 4: he changed his story.

551
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: That's how did you do that?

552
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: How did you make it feel comfortable?

553
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you'd be very agreeable, you know, things

554
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: like look, hey man, you know he said, man, you know,

555
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 4: if I know your sons, it's not your fault that

556
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: he's missing, you know, to make him feel valid part

557
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: of their thing. So that's when you start releasing more

558
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 4: information like something that he didn't tell lawforce. Oh I

559
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: stayed left for the tracks. Make sure I disturbed because

560
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 4: I knew law enforcement gonna come, this thing gonna go

561
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 4: national And oh yeah, he said.

562
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, why are you thinking like that right at that

563
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: point in time?

564
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 4: And if you want to take and I can be

565
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 4: honest with you, you listen to his story. It will

566
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: actually take you to where near where my son's vehicle

567
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 4: is actually going to be found. So I can't say that,

568
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 4: but I gave all this information law enforcement. I have

569
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 4: the notes that was written, I had the videotape I had,

570
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 4: you know, I have people with my witnesses that yeah, just.

571
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Built build that case just internally. Yes, hopefully that comes

572
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: into play at some point.

573
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 4: It wouldn't because law enforcement drops say, oh, that's what

574
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: he said, and they dismissed it. So that's where we're

575
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: at on that point there. But that's the reason why

576
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: I say, yes, the first person that oh, the last

577
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: person that's been seeing the person should be screwed.

578
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: That's third should be scrutinized very well. Yeah.

579
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: The only person that was ever in the interrogation room

580
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 4: for as I know in my son's case was me

581
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: and my daughter. We were put in the terrorication room.

582
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: No one else what they needed to know from you

583
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: other than it was horrible. You know your son is right?

584
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: Is that what their behavior is, what's what's normal and

585
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 4: what's not right?

586
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: Right?

587
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: I think they was fishing for, in my opinion, fishing

588
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 4: for a way to say my son was probably mentally unstable,

589
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: he's depressed. And the reason why I say.

590
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: That because he had gone off and did it to himself.

591
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: Pretty much, right, He just wanted to disappear or whatever

592
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: the case may be.

593
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

594
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: And the reason why I say that because you know,

595
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: first of all, they brought us in the back door

596
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 4: of the department. I didn't never been in a terrogation

597
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: room in my life. I'm not a criminal.

598
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

599
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: I realized I have once and it wasn't fun.

600
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

601
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, I don't belong here. There's no,

602
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,239
Speaker 4: it's not fun. I didn't realize it. But they had

603
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 4: us sitting there for I think my daughter and I

604
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 4: sat there for because, of course, say you know, you

605
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: could think of anything that was odd and strange about

606
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: your son. You know, we had to sit there for

607
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: like fifteen minutes to.

608
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: Come up with what answer? Are you fishing?

609
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: Yes? So the only thing we come up with.

610
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: My daughter she said, Yeah, I think about a week

611
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: or so, it could have been two weeks. He was

612
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 4: staring off at the wall, and they put that in

613
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: the port. Yeah, he's staying off the wall. He's had

614
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 4: troubles or something out the other and.

615
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: Like staring at the wall all day in their office.

616
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

617
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: But at some point you were like, what am I

618
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: doing here?

619
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: Right? Are we yet? Yeah? You know? And did?

620
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: I did? But I was able to provide it. My

621
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 4: my position, I felt that I was being helpful because

622
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: I want to help.

623
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to put that on record and do

624
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: the due diligence right.

625
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: The bank records.

626
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: We was able to pull that up on the phone,

627
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: you know, kind of holding in front of them and

628
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: uh so they can look through things the cell phone.

629
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: Uh certain information on the cell phone. Was able to

630
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: show him on the cell phone through my dunc as

631
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: of her account, you know, things like So felt like

632
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: it was being helpful. They help try to get some

633
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: information about Daniel.

634
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: This person of interest, Ken is his name.

635
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: Yes, his name is Ken.

636
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: So I can't say his name because he put hisself

637
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: out of you doing interviews and everything.

638
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I mean he's clearly been talking about right Ken.

639
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: When you arranged to initially meet him, he sent someone

640
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: else to meet you first, but didn't tell you that

641
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: that's just to check it out or check it out.

642
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: This guy's or something. Who was this person though? And

643
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: I still don't know his name. That's the same part.

644
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Someone from this company or I'm.

645
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: Assuming somebody's working at the well site with them because

646
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: of what I did learn, okay, is that the reason

647
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: why I was able to go to that will area

648
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: where my son was last seeing. I was actually well,

649
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: But like I said, the son Villa Parkway is because

650
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: Ken he since my son WO was missing, he was

651
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: still at that well site every day, and so I

652
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: was able to get back there. But yeah, the other

653
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: person I'm assuming is somebody's helping him out at the

654
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: will that probably was taking my son's place, or I

655
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 4: don't know what his purpose was, but he's there.

656
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: Do you know much about that company? Is is it

657
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: a big one or is it like a small local

658
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: thing or a family owned joint or what is it?

659
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 4: Well, the company my son worked for's new World. That's

660
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: that that company is. It's not huge, but it's not

661
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 4: small lead it's kind of somewhere in between. My son

662
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: actually got the job because of his one of his

663
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: great friends, best friends you want to call it. In

664
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: college parents own that company, and so of course when

665
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: you graduated, they do they do.

666
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: They feel any sort of responsibility that this happened on

667
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: their watch potentially or I don't know.

668
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: You know they as far as the companies say, I

669
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: can't say they donated to my gold fundment.

670
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay, that's nice, yes, and that's really helpful.

671
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: However, as a family, we were really disappointed because, like

672
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 4: I told the owners, I have many board meetings with them.

673
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: If it's your employee, I shouldn't have had to drive

674
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: from South Carolina two thousand dollars. You should have to search,

675
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: you have the resources. You should have called it law enforcement.

676
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: You know he's missing. You should have been out there

677
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: searching for my son. He's on your clock basically, so

678
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 4: they haven't done any of that that stuff, So that

679
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: that was problematic for us.

680
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: And the guy who was with Ken, if that was

681
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: another employee or manager a different company, that was a

682
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: different company company my friend he knew. No, they never

683
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: met each other in life really like your sons or

684
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Ken had my son.

685
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: Having met Ken or Kay have met my son. But

686
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: I was told in life Ken.

687
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: Works for the first time they'd ever been out there

688
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: the first time of meeting. Yes, Oh that's interestingly, Yes,

689
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: kid was already at the whal site. Like I said,

690
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: before my son was coming there. My son did reach

691
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: out to him. He didn't have his phone make it

692
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: make so some little backfo I can tell by the

693
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: phone record and kids already there. So my son was

694
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: from his company's point. So he's supposed to be meeting

695
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: Ken out at son Villa Parkway, and Ken could take

696
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: him to the well site where they'll be working. So

697
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: it was only two, the two of them. Like I

698
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: said the first initial I didn't have no reason not

699
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: to believe the story until I met him and listened

700
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: to him first firsthand. You know, of course I had

701
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: to do that.

702
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: I had to do it.

703
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: I'm a father the first so somebody gonna tell me

704
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: something different from myself. I was a single parent, so

705
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: I know my son. Tell me something different than what

706
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: my son would do. He came to this website and

707
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: just waved off and disappeared. I know my son. He

708
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: had two web sites that morning. He went to the

709
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: first one, completed that supposedly, and went to that one

710
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: where he ended up going missing. He would have went

711
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 4: to the first one if he didn't want to go

712
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 4: to work that day, so that just his mindset. But

713
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: so I had to listen to what this guy said.

714
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: And when he did all of that and law enforcement

715
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 4: not paying attention to his story high a change. And

716
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: like you said, he's out now doing did interviews who

717
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 4: I guess validate himself or whatever. And I could look

718
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: at his body language, and I don't believe his story.

719
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: It just just don't make up.

720
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: It don't add up reality, the measurements that I even wrote,

721
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 4: the story that he gave and it don't even add

722
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: up because of the distance and if things staying left

723
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: for the track, nothing matches. Yeah, I have a problem

724
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 4: with that when law enforcement is not taking those things seriously,

725
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: and it's a problem for me that on that behalf,

726
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: there's nothing I can do.

727
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: I'm not law I'm not.

728
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: Lawful emotionally to piss you off or just or where

729
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: are you at with that in this stage? And obviously

730
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: you seem to be very uh diligent about the way

731
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: that you're trying to network and get resources, which is

732
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: super admirable, But I just could only imagine that there's

733
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: a lot propelling that.

734
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, well, my love for my son

735
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: is propelling for Yeah, I'm also you know, the fat

736
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: I am a father, you know what I'm saying, that's

737
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: my job and my duty and honor to fight my son.

738
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: So that's that's automatic. That's one of the things that

739
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: I'm definitely doing it for. But when it comes to

740
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 4: seeing injustice and things not done the correct way. Yeah,

741
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: it's a problem for me. So my job right now

742
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: is to try to encourage law enforcement, uh and just

743
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: put these things out there for them and give them

744
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: an opportunity to work on it. As you guys know,

745
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: I'm trying to move my son's case onto a different jurisdiction.

746
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: And those are the reasons why. Because when things are

747
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 4: not being taken care of, then I have to.

748
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: Do Yeah, if you're not going to do it, then

749
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: I need to try to get to get somebody else

750
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: to the right place where someone will.

751
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: That's right.

752
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: So if this, if Ken is telling these stories about

753
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: your son that don't sound like his behavior, that would

754
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: mean that he's he's he's lying about that. Why would

755
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: Kim be lying about any of those things?

756
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 4: Well, if it's foul play, you know, I mean it's

757
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: a lot of people if they're I'm not saying the

758
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: man is guilty and now I'm not gonna get out

759
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: like that, but were saying is uh if if he

760
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 4: has an involvement with that, of course you know he's

761
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 4: unless he just ready to say, hey, I'm throwing town,

762
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 4: just want to come clean or something, you know. Other

763
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 4: than that, you know, people would not be truthful about

764
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 4: certain things.

765
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: What do you think at this point it's going to

766
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: take to get that resolution and close this case and

767
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: find out what happened to your son.

768
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 4: Get law ENFORCEM to do their job. Just plain as

769
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: simple as that. You know, you know I have I'm

770
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: still holding DNA evidence. I'm holding evidence I found about

771
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: my son's apartment. They just need to process these things

772
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 4: and find out who was driving my son car if

773
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 4: it wasn't him, who was in the passenger side, for instance,

774
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: with the red transfer paint, where that came from. You know,

775
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 4: things like that, is that really Daniel's clothes on the ground,

776
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 4: because we don't identify those clothing at that crime scene

777
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: that they're claiming as Daniels. This whole nine yard the process,

778
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: and they get law enforcement to do their job. I

779
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 4: gave them everything. Everything we know today about my son's

780
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: case didn't come from law enforcement. They didn't contrivet to

781
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 4: the findings that we have right now about my son's case.

782
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: That came from my own efforts, came from my hiring

783
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 4: them my private investigator. We just don't need them to process.

784
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: We're not law ENFORCEM, but they will can go. But

785
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: so far it is that job to do the rest?

786
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: How has the media coverage been about your son's disappearance?

787
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: Well, for me, you know, it's been hard. At first,

788
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 4: I literally spent days and night nights trying to convince

789
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: just even the local news to take Daniel's story. If

790
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: it wasn't for me running to local news anchors like

791
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: reporters like Josh Sanders is his name?

792
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 3: And Nicole Griggs.

793
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 4: Uh those are If it wasn't for them, I would

794
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: have probably had Dane's story even on a local level.

795
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: I had to work hard for that. I had to

796
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: work hard for that. Is it took me literally three

797
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: months to get that going? Uh oh yeah, yeah, I

798
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: just get that going. But once I did, I've learned

799
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: some secret things I've done on social media. That was

800
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: a big platform for me to get Danie's story out there.

801
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: And once that happened, I was able to get jew

802
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 4: Reid from MSNBC. And the reason why I was able

803
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: to do that, I didn't go direct. Sometimes you can't

804
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: get direct message to them, of course, so I look

805
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: at Twitter, for instance, and I hit their friends up,

806
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: the ones that don't have the little I did. Yeah,

807
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 4: that's the way, because I know the ones that don't

808
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 4: have the chet marks nine times our friends or family.

809
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: So he hit them up and they say, and that's

810
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 4: exactly what happened. The family members of her friend came

811
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 4: tore and said, hey, have you seen the story?

812
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: Right?

813
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: And that's what happened to give Daniel's case a little boost.

814
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it was during the time

815
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: the Tito case came to be, and then they started

816
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: talking about disparities and that helped.

817
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Was that a little odd seeing this, you know, another

818
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: story of a missing person getting really just kind of insane.

819
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: I havenormal coverage even from any missing person's case. It

820
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: was kind of an anomaly in that way. Was that

821
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: frustrating in any way or you know, eye opening to

822
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: you or how did you perceive that?

823
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: Well?

824
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 4: You know, statistically true that you know, people of color

825
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: have less exposure when it comes to media coverage, that

826
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 4: is true. But at the time, you know, a person

827
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 4: like me having a missing son, I'd never known anything

828
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: much about missing person's at all, So my whole focus was.

829
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: About my son.

830
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: I was doing that, like I said, for the whole

831
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: three months, this focus on trying to get the story

832
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: out there. I started them on searches at the time,

833
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 4: So when the Potito case came about, I didn't know

834
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 4: anything about it. I was so focused directly on my son.

835
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: You have literally y yeah, people pretty much literally hit

836
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: me up on the emboxing because I make sure at

837
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: night I thank everybody who's been supporting.

838
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: Hey have you heard this Betito? Okay, have heard I'm like,

839
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: what is that?

840
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: You know?

841
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: Right? You know?

842
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 4: Of course eventually I'm going to google it and see

843
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: what's going on. And then when I saw that, I say,

844
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 4: oh my god. The first thing initition I had was, oh, man,

845
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 4: I think she was around my son's age, probably a

846
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: little younger, yes, but oh my gosh. You know, I

847
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: felt bad because another parent going through the same thing

848
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: I'm going through, and I'm saying, what's going on with

849
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: these kids going missing? Because I didn't know much about.

850
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Miss this probably feels like the hell's going on. And

851
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: That's what happened until my family started hitting up. My

852
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: family started he said.

853
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 3: Day you hear about this? I said, yeah, I heard something.

854
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: I feel sorry for the family said no, you just

855
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: understand this thing is twenty four hours seventy and they

856
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 4: know how hard I was working to get damn story

857
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: out like that, and they say this is twenty four hours.

858
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, but it just happened.

859
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: I'm like, but I've been there here for three months,

860
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: so it did me feel a certain way, like working

861
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 4: really hard for three.

862
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: Months, I can't get it. Yeah, I can't out three months.

863
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but but like I talked to I talked

864
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: to the family all the time. My thing is, they

865
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 4: deserve that attention. Every family deserve attention. We just need

866
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: to make sure it's all focused and everybody get the

867
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 4: same amount of type attention.

868
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: Every case should be dealt with that way. That's not

869
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: just one case.

870
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's still a parent who is still

871
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: a parent whose daughter is missing. And you don't want

872
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: to say that you should get less coverage or more coverage.

873
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: It's more like, hey, if there's cases that aren't being

874
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: covered as much, bring that spotlight over here too, or

875
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: we need to work hard to make that happen. That's right,

876
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: and consciously do that.

877
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: That's right.

878
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 4: That's that's because you know, of course, every family. I mean,

879
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: I know what the pain not because even before the

880
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: Potito case, I was out in the desert with families

881
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 4: all the time. Like I said, three to five hundreds

882
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 4: a lot of times. And believe it or not, you

883
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 4: have people who actually have missing people up their own.

884
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 4: What's out there with me searching for Daniel?

885
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: Wow? Oh yeah, it's amazing. So I hear that story

886
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: is probably just hurt your brain. But the remarkable of

887
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: them to just do that. Yeah, right, that's right. But

888
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 1: they didn't have a voice. That's the problem. They didn't

889
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: have a voice to tell their story. And I had

890
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: to listen to that.

891
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: You know, you can hear that pain, and when they

892
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: talk about it, it's like it happened yesterday. It wasn't like,

893
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: oh even though someon was twenty years ago, it's like

894
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: it happened right that day, that same day. That's how

895
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 4: the pain for them is and so on. Like I'm saying,

896
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: is every case deserved some attention, is none is different

897
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 4: from It's the same pain.

898
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: It's the same pain they related to mine. I can

899
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: relate to theirs.

900
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to meet to a Petitio family, Yes, yes,

901
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: all the time, now, yes, how's that been.

902
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: It's been great, you know when I wanted to talk

903
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: to their family for a long time. You know, in

904
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: the course of me fighting for my son and one

905
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: day I think I went with News Nation at one time,

906
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: I do a story and I guess they exchanged my

907
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 4: information to their family. And I got that phone call

908
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: and said, hey, say, how you doing, David? This is

909
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: this is Joe some of Joseph who just is Joseph

910
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 4: Potito Like my mind say Patino, but somebody's still a

911
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: ring And I'm like you.

912
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: And you said gab dead. I said, oh, you know,

913
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: we've been friends ever since. Yeah, that's pretty awesome to hear.

914
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: I was hoping that's what you would say. Yes, I'm

915
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: sure there's got to be some sort of bonding that

916
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: is it is right?

917
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

918
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I did meet them for a second last

919
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: night and they were super cool.

920
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah they are.

921
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: And I love their take on everything like they don't.

922
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: They didn't have to go out of their way to

923
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: try and spotlight, you know, persons of color that are

924
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: missing too because of how much attention in their case. God,

925
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: they could have just only focused on their family, and

926
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: that also been okay for them to do. But for

927
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: them to spread, you know, this tragedy that happened and

928
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: spread the goodness that could come out of it at

929
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: all around is I think it kind of very hopeful

930
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: for yes, other families.

931
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: It is like it is you can say anytime you

932
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: can take that pain and actually use it like that, Yeah,

933
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: and think about other people have empathy like that.

934
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: That's that's awesome.

935
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, that to me, it was just a powerful

936
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: thing to see. Yes, And you know it makes me

937
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: feel like there's you know, there's hope here. We can

938
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: work together on stuff and we all want the best

939
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: for people, right right, that's right. So what what are

940
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: you trying to do next? In terms of you so

941
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: you want to get his case moved?

942
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: You are?

943
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: You send a lot of network on your own. How

944
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: could I help? How could a listener help where they

945
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: need to go to support you and help figure out

946
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: what happened to your son?

947
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 3: Well?

948
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 4: Currently you know, of course, after all the forty nine

949
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: weeks of searches thirty five thousand that was able to

950
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: cover the flyers distributions, the petition put your voice to

951
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: the petition for Advocacies, et cetera. What I am at

952
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: right now is, like I say, like you said, trying

953
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: to get my son's case moved over to a different jurisdiction.

954
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: Which is going for that or anything? How do you

955
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: have how do you do that?

956
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: And what I have right now is called a mail

957
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: in protest. You know, I have a lot of times

958
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 4: families that always reach out and say, hey, you know,

959
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 4: mister Robinson, how can I help?

960
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: And I'm living Canada or I live.

961
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: In writing a letter to them and saying what right?

962
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: And then the letter writing it's just stuff they're going to.

963
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: Please help find Daniel dot com my website. There are

964
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: PDFs there. They just download those and and the goal

965
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 4: is to get thousands of them going to that mail

966
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: that Those are two lawforce officers every day every day,

967
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 4: Yeah right, and build that box up. And what it

968
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 4: does is keep Day's case out there in their mind

969
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 4: is also keep that pressure on law enforcement while I'm

970
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 4: working doing my part. Yeah, you're working in the background

971
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 4: on the web.

972
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: That's staying just as strong, but you're doing more tactical

973
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: and just right things that.

974
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: Give everybody the opportunity to join in and help. That's right.

975
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: What is the website again?

976
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: Please help find Daniel dot com?

977
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: Is there?

978
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: You go fund me still or that is so also

979
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 4: it's on police Help find Dan dot com. It's a

980
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: donation tab. If you have events, that's events tab. You

981
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: got to help in other ways. If people have skill

982
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: sets they think they can help us out with, and

983
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: I says my team and I, they can put their

984
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 4: skill sets there. That's a PDF button there as well.

985
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 4: If people help me out, because I put out thousands

986
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: fliers everywhere, you can download your own PDLs if you

987
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 4: want to print them out. If you want us to

988
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: send flyers, we just reaches at us at please help

989
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 4: find o yahoo dot com and we'll send flyers out

990
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: to you. So it's different ways. Like I said, again,

991
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 4: put your voice to that petition because I am working

992
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 4: with government officials and every time I do, I say, hey,

993
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: look I got one hundred and fifty thousand people behind

994
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 4: me wanting the same things that happen with the laws

995
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: and the changes in the systems and things like that.

996
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 3: So that helps out a lot.

997
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yes, sir, I'm gonna personally donate one thousand

998
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: dollars to you go fund me.

999
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a blessing. That's a blessing. I truly

1000
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 4: appreciate that, yes sir.

1001
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: And we'll post the links to everybody, and also any

1002
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: other resource or anything that comes to mind, feel free

1003
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: to reach out there's people that we I've done a

1004
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: series called Up and Advantage, and I've covered a different

1005
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: a different missing person's case every season. We do like

1006
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: a long form investigation and we're on the ground really

1007
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: digging stuff up and poking around. So through that over

1008
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: the years, I've I've met some people that are you know,

1009
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: like a dog searcher or just different people in their

1010
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: fields like that are experts that would absolutely love to

1011
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: assist if it was ever needed in that way. Just

1012
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 1: let me know, Yes, I can connect the dots.

1013
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: I'd love to.

1014
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: I appreciate it because what I'm doing right now, of

1015
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 4: course of not just the mailing protests to getting the

1016
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: case moved over. I also have other things have to

1017
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: take care. I have a protest coming ups over that

1018
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 4: that mailing protests is also ticket size and send it

1019
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: to the department, and I am going to have physical

1020
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 4: protests if those things not being probably the promises I've

1021
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 4: been given that.

1022
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, me get this just all part of the next step.

1023
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: Right and the last part is also the search.

1024
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: You know, I do have, like I told you, for

1025
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: forty nine weeks of search at thirty five thousand land.

1026
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 4: I'm not searching the whole sonore and desert. That's it's

1027
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 4: ridiculous because Daniel had been all over.

1028
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: The finite amount of space that he could have gone

1029
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: right anyway.

1030
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: And it's about what radius.

1031
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: Yes, it's about sciences, about how far a person can walk,

1032
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 4: you know, without clothing. So all that is based on

1033
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: that in any direction from the location that we know.

1034
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 4: But the last search I have have gotten because they

1035
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 4: build and development out there, so we have some little problems.

1036
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: And also with funding, I'm really getting searched together for

1037
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: hopefully this fall, and I would need resources. When I

1038
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: say need resources, I need those specialized drones.

1039
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: I need cadever.

1040
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 4: Dolls, search dolls, whatever specialized dolls that will. Yeah, I

1041
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 4: do have volunteers that come out all the time with

1042
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: their razors and you know all these vehicles that made

1043
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 4: for that kind of terrain. We definitely that, so I

1044
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: put those things together every time. Uh, but I always

1045
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: go to need those.

1046
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me know when you when you guys do

1047
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: that or when you're setting up for it, and I'll

1048
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: whatever I can help connect. I'll do my best.

1049
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1050
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, I mean it is an endeavor out there

1051
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: in the field. It just it's just hard to search

1052
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: physically out there.

1053
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: It is, you know, it just is like eslessly on

1054
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: the ground. A lot of people don't understand that. I

1055
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: have people say, man, you know you've been searching for

1056
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: a while. Not a map anymore? Yeah, another work that way.

1057
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right.

1058
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 4: It's very intimidating too, because a lot of times we

1059
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 4: finish the search and and I know, we cover a

1060
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 4: lot of ground. Then I look at the area that

1061
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 4: we look and I look back and I'm like, wow,

1062
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 4: there's so much more and.

1063
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: You can't believe and see that, and it's back there

1064
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: a computer or whatever. So I totally understand. Yeah, I'd

1065
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: love to throw as many resources at it as possible,

1066
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, it needs.

1067
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: A thorough search, Yes it does.

1068
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: There should be something out there or we should definitely

1069
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: determine that there isn't. That tells us something to.

1070
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 4: The scary part is that we have been found in

1071
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 4: human remains out there, of course, you know, the human

1072
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: skulls and.

1073
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 3: And and and other remains.

1074
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did cover some remains to help bring clothes

1075
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 4: for other families. But you know, so there's things out

1076
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: there that need to be taken because the soul, as

1077
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: I have from that is that even though I didn't

1078
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: found my son, we brought some clothes for somebody.

1079
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Else's, which yeah, you would have ever thought that, right,

1080
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: So there's still it's it's worth the effort because there's

1081
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: it's yielding something no matter what, right, no, etually, that's

1082
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: where you're going to get there.

1083
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: So that's right.

1084
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, Well, I appreciate your time today, and I

1085
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: know you've been busy, but what are your thoughts on

1086
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: a crime conference like this? This is your first time here?

1087
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: Oh, my second year? Yeah, they brought me out last

1088
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 4: year and cool, just like last year at the Vegas one,

1089
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: the Vegas. Yeah, we were so busy.

1090
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't even see anybody last year.

1091
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that I had got out twenty thousand

1092
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: flyers out there.

1093
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Speaker 1: Like physically like you did this twenty thousand team and

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00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: I my team and I mean that's just impressive.

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Speaker 3: I have never been in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: You know how much time did that take you to do?

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00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: We just went on the strip, okay, just way gave

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00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, people's taking them by the stacks and

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00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: everything it's taken. Well, take it back to this stake. Yeah,

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00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: I want to happen, take it to the I feel

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00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: so great. Was like I told my team, I said,

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00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: let's take out Team Boxes. Yeah, right, let's just go

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00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: and let's go. Yeah, and just twenty thousand of them

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00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: they just went out like that, Yes, aggressive and.

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Speaker 3: People from all over the place. So it was really

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Speaker 3: great that.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's the best moment I think for me,

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00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 4: even though outside of Crime Con definitely sitting on stage

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00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 4: and yeah and meeting people, but that there was a

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Speaker 4: highlight for me. It is getting those flyers out, cause

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00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: that mean Daniel's stories is traveling.

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Speaker 1: So how the people you've met backs, because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's I'd imagine it's kind of weird at first, I

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Speaker 1: would think with true crime being a genre of content, Yes,

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00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: and you know they're being fans of these murder podcasts,

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00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: but also there's people but they also genuinely care, or

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00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: at least most of them do. They do, and they

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00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: want to listen and help probably, So what's been your

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00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: take on that or observation just with these fans of

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Speaker 1: the true crime and you're here talking about your missing son,

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00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: that's right.

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Speaker 4: And that's how I got here true crime community. Of course,

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00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 4: the podcast and somehow they want to jump over to

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Speaker 4: missing person cases and say hey, can you come on

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Speaker 4: my podcast? And I guess I've been so many of them. Yeah,

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00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: they started reaching out to crime Con. I didn't reach

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00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 4: out to crime they.

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Speaker 1: Was connected that way.

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00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: They did, and then crime Con reach out to me

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00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 4: and say, hey, you know, hey, look we would like

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00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 4: to have you out here at the Crime cond Like

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Speaker 4: what you know, I didn't know what crime con.

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00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that is. I should probably

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00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: get I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And so so when I got there last year, I

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00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, it was amazing to be able to

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00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 4: see the love and like you said, the people.

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00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: That what if you observe if people.

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes they make you feel like you're some

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00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 4: type of celebrity. You have people that.

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00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 3: Come to crime and want and I was like, I'm.

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00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: Just David Robinson, you know, and you don't even know

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00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: this person, right, don't know, but it's the love.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you. It's like genuine like you said, said

1146
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 4: the crime and stuff. It's like these people actually really care.

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00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: Strangers don't know Daniel, but they feel they still connected

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00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: with the story. They connected with my son and his story,

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00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 4: and that means a lot to me.

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00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: How does that make you feel?

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00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: If you know, like the searches, it feels good to

1152
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: see people come out and spend their own money, their

1153
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: own time, and their own you know, and come out

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00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 4: to help somebody that don't know. That means a lot.

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00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 4: I see the world different because of that. That's a

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00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 4: lot of good pep out there.

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00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: No, I love that. Yeah, Thatt. We've met a lot

1158
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: of cool people here too, and everyone really truly cares

1159
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: and it's cool to see people in person and interact

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00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: with them and hear what there they have going on,

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00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: what they're working on, or what their family's dealing with,

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00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: and just kind of networking and connecting in a very

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00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: niche place.

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Speaker 3: That's right, yes, sir, But yeah, I want.

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00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: To thank you again and we'll put out these links

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00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: and yes, please, however I can help, yes, sir, let

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00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: me know. And I got a thousand dollars for you

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00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: for your go. Oh that's that's a wonderful God blessing

1169
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: for that, God bless mean it's a lot of paper,

1170
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: twenty thousand paper, I bet at Kinkyos. That's probably not

1171
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: very cheap. It is not you know, the library wouldn't

1172
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: be cheap. Well, yeah, I found some that trying to

1173
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: get a little more discount. Yes, that's bulk or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Those bosses, they calls they realists.

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00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: Well let's lad you up, man, let's go. Yeah, that's right. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you man. I appreciate it, so, thank you.

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