Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
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Speaker 3: We still have our Queen with us.
Speaker 4: Daphney's Aniga is here to help us walk through Season five,
Speaker 4: episode four, It's all Right, Ma, I'm Only Bleeding, which
Speaker 4: aired in January twenty second of two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Daphney, will you read the synopsis for us?
Speaker 5: Peyton has her hands full when the lead singer of
Speaker 5: a band she just signed turns out to be problematic.
Speaker 3: Peyton asked Haley.
Speaker 5: To come help her work with them, which reignites Haley's
Speaker 5: love for music and gets her back in the studio.
Speaker 5: Nathan is struggling to get through to Quentin. Brook has
Speaker 5: her grand close over Bros. Boutique, which Peyton and Lucas
Speaker 5: attend together and try to get back to being just friends. Meanwhile,
Speaker 5: Marvin's relationship with his boss grows.
Speaker 6: Heated, oh, even more heated.
Speaker 7: The director Danis Cook and the writer was Adele kim.
Speaker 3: Oh Jennison Adele.
Speaker 6: Oh, that was a good combo. I loved those two.
Speaker 1: I love a combo of these women and of these
Speaker 1: women on this zoom.
Speaker 6: Yes, when was the last time you watched an episode
Speaker 6: of One treeal Defane?
Speaker 3: It had been a while. I mean I watched this
Speaker 3: twenty years. Maybe it's been a while. I think i'd
Speaker 3: seen one since then.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure when though, But you know, to be honest,
Speaker 5: I'm not crazy about looking at myself.
Speaker 3: But but I.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's it's as much as I remember loving
Speaker 5: working with you guys.
Speaker 3: Every time I would watch it in the past, I'd just.
Speaker 7: Be like, gosh, it's such a wi.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I used to tell me, just bring me some humor.
Speaker 5: Let's make sure that like she's you know, a little
Speaker 5: tipsy in the scene or something I always wanted that
Speaker 5: comes later after this scene she warms up to that
Speaker 5: more humor.
Speaker 4: No, but you sell it though, like it's it's almost
Speaker 4: like a compliment. Like you know, those shitty restaurants down
Speaker 4: in North Carolina, like Dirty Dix or those restaurants that
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 3: To with the intention of being insulted by the.
Speaker 4: Wait staff, and it's like it's so you and your
Speaker 4: friends can all laugh about it together after the fact.
Speaker 4: That's what it feels like. It's like Peyton's figured that out.
Speaker 4: That's why Peyton is always laughing when Victoria is saying
Speaker 4: horrible things to her, because she knows the formula.
Speaker 3: She's like, this woman's gonna tell me how.
Speaker 4: Terrible I am, and Brooke and I are gonna get
Speaker 4: together later and have a laugh.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's a rite.
Speaker 4: Of passage that everyone in Tree Hills should go for us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when we started watching episodes back for the first time.
Speaker 6: When we first started doing this, there were so many
Speaker 6: things coming at us because we none of us had
Speaker 6: seen the show in so long. And was there anything
Speaker 6: that stood out to you about about the show itself,
Speaker 6: about like I see why this was a hit or
Speaker 6: something that surprised you.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Was there anything that just struck you? Yeah,
Speaker 3: A couple of things.
Speaker 7: Two things main the main two things that stand out
Speaker 7: at me is.
Speaker 5: How good you all are. You're just, I mean all
Speaker 5: of you are so everyone. I mean, you guys you're
Speaker 5: and your fan base is aren't prove it. You're so good,
Speaker 5: each of you in your I mean, you're all very different.
Speaker 5: But that's what I really looked at. I was like,
Speaker 5: you're so solid, you're so good. And the and the
Speaker 5: and the lines. You know, they're smart, they're ahead of
Speaker 5: their years. So I remember when I first you know,
Speaker 5: as I'm watching going, I I.
Speaker 7: Get why people are still into.
Speaker 5: It because you know, the characters really do kind of
Speaker 5: like say what's up and truth and keep dealing with stuff,
Speaker 5: and there's so much flying at them and they're just smart.
Speaker 3: They're smarter than.
Speaker 5: Then they should be, really and I think then I think,
Speaker 5: but I think that's the key to like, you know,
Speaker 5: you want to keep watching what's going to happen next?
Speaker 3: So what's going to happen next? You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: It keeps going for sure. Yeah, So that's what I saw.
Speaker 5: I mean, all the regulars are so strong. I can't
Speaker 5: you know, Joy, I just noticed, like you're so natural with.
Speaker 3: You you always have like a prop or your behavior.
Speaker 5: You're thrown off lines to Nanny Carre and I'm like,
Speaker 5: how can Nanny carry you know, you just toss it
Speaker 5: off you're very natural. I know you've been doing it
Speaker 5: since you were little, you know, all of you, and
Speaker 5: I mean you had to sell stuff too, so you
Speaker 5: know you.
Speaker 3: Have to sell that.
Speaker 5: You're facing me and you have to you help me
Speaker 5: sell Victoria. Yes, for sure, because the way that you
Speaker 5: receive it and when we cut to your close up
Speaker 5: and your side of it, you helped the audience go Okay,
Speaker 5: I but I'm scared of her, but she's my mom.
Speaker 3: There's a complexity to you.
Speaker 5: There is emotion there, and you really help sell it.
Speaker 5: And you know, I know you guys like how I
Speaker 5: played it, but some of those lines were hard, and
Speaker 5: so yeah, you guys helped sell it.
Speaker 6: That was my favorite part of this episode was the
Speaker 6: storyline being able to watch because we've only seen Victoria
Speaker 6: come in in these small little moments with quips and
Speaker 6: a few things to say, but here we really get
Speaker 6: It's the full Victoria, It's the full experience. I loved
Speaker 6: seeing that. That's what I loved about this episode.
Speaker 4: Only a woman could have written this episode like Adele
Speaker 4: Limb for you at home who don't know is an
Speaker 4: incredible writers. She were crazy rich, Asian and the last
Speaker 4: dragon like she is a just force. And I worked
Speaker 4: with her on Lethal Weapon where she wrote these kind
Speaker 4: of lines for me. I got to be Victoria on
Speaker 4: that show, and so she is so good at bitch lines,
Speaker 4: like just so good at it and really teed you
Speaker 4: up to just steal all our hearts and our fear.
Speaker 3: That's great And the.
Speaker 1: Way that you can write someone to be an archetypal bitch,
Speaker 1: or you can write someone to be boiling under the surface.
Speaker 1: And what I love is that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of women on our show who've been put in this
Speaker 1: almost camp version of bitchiness. And you came in so
Speaker 1: strong and you did so much with these moments that
Speaker 1: they'd given us before the reveal that everyone knew they
Speaker 1: had to step up their game for you, and what
Speaker 1: they begin to give you an eye, even how early
Speaker 1: in the episode when I'm begging you to understand why
Speaker 1: I want to have this store, and you pivot and
Speaker 1: it's the first time we see Victoria be kind and gentle,
Speaker 1: and you say I want what's best for you, and
Speaker 1: you touch my face like that felt like water in
Speaker 1: the desert. And then Brooke doesn't know, but the audience
Speaker 1: sees because of Millicent and Victoria's lines to Midicine. The
Speaker 1: Victoria is designing this failure and oh, it's just such
Speaker 1: a rich world for us as a cast of women,
Speaker 1: and we didn't always get that, and so to see
Speaker 1: it is like, oh, it's delicious.
Speaker 5: I forgot that she designs the failure. So I was
Speaker 5: like just being so nice so early on. This is
Speaker 5: only episode four.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, And yeah, no, I loved.
Speaker 5: I loved h I love that part of it that
Speaker 5: you do. Like you say, Hillary, we see the different
Speaker 5: sides to her. You see, you have to you have
Speaker 5: to either has to be like reprieved from just where.
Speaker 5: But it doesn't last long and it usually.
Speaker 3: Is just to hook you.
Speaker 7: Like I think when I say to.
Speaker 3: To Peyton, just some of those looks and she zips
Speaker 3: up that.
Speaker 7: Dress and she goes, don't you you know yah, don't
Speaker 7: you dare think you're gonna blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: The only reason she's here is because of you, loser, Yeah, loser.
Speaker 3: When Victoria tells Peyton Swier to get your act together
Speaker 3: is so real. How old are you twenty one by now?
Speaker 6: Why aren't you running your own company? Except that she
Speaker 6: is Peyton is running her own company, and that's what
Speaker 6: I would love to talk about, because this is her
Speaker 6: first foray into really dealing with a first band that
Speaker 6: she signed.
Speaker 3: It's a big deal, you guys.
Speaker 4: This is It's one of my face behind the scenes
Speaker 4: One Tree Hill stories because here.
Speaker 1: We getting Oh god, you're gonna tell it.
Speaker 4: So in real life, like I wanted to produce bands,
Speaker 4: I wanted a record label. In real life, I'd come
Speaker 4: from MTV. I was like, yes, this is happening.
Speaker 3: And so I have to give just a little bit
Speaker 3: of backstory.
Speaker 4: And for those of you who don't like it, when
Speaker 4: we go off on Tangent, we're doing it today.
Speaker 3: You can sulk it.
Speaker 1: It's our show. We will Tangent if we want to.
Speaker 4: It is August and little tiny teenage Hillary Burton gets
Speaker 4: dropped off in New York City at college right and
Speaker 4: it becomes very clear right away. At Fordham it is
Speaker 4: eight girls to one boy in this school, and so
Speaker 4: there's a talent show as a part of orientation in
Speaker 4: this dude who I had been in the same group
Speaker 4: as him the whole time, gets up and he sings.
Speaker 3: His name is Tom Stewart.
Speaker 4: He is very talented and we are also like oil
Speaker 4: and water, like we do not get along, but he's
Speaker 4: so talented and so akat.
Speaker 3: We start making out. It's awesome. Everyone in the dorm
Speaker 3: is jealous. They're like, how'd she bag him?
Speaker 4: And so that lasts until, you know, three weeks into
Speaker 4: school and I'm literally crying on this boy's dorm floor
Speaker 4: because I'm like, I haven't made it yet.
Speaker 3: I've been in New York for three weeks. I haven't
Speaker 3: made it yet.
Speaker 4: And then I get scouted by MTV the very next day,
Speaker 4: and so I start doing all this stuff with TRL
Speaker 4: and he's like, you've changed, and I get pissed because
Speaker 4: I'm like, you've known me three weeks, how have I changed?
Speaker 3: And so Tom and I break up.
Speaker 4: But it was a very lovely little romances. Cut to
Speaker 4: all these years later, and we have Kevin Fetterline on
Speaker 4: the show, and we know that he is lip syncing
Speaker 4: these songs because he is not a singer. And so
Speaker 4: Hillary Burton, the actress, hears this song that he's singing
Speaker 4: in the recording studio and I think to myself, I
Speaker 4: think to myself, that's a catchy song. I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: look up the real singer. So I send a little
Speaker 4: email and I'm like, who's the band.
Speaker 3: That sings this?
Speaker 4: And I get the response It's a band called Radio America.
Speaker 4: So I get on the Google machine and I look
Speaker 4: up Radio America and they had just released a music
Speaker 4: video and I'm like, oh, fantastic, I can't wait to
Speaker 4: watch this. And it's like grainy and very early two
Speaker 4: thousands edgy Brooklyn vibe and it turns to the lead
Speaker 4: singer and it.
Speaker 3: Is dumb snooer no way. I knew I liked that voice.
Speaker 4: I knew I liked that voice, and so I'm so like,
Speaker 4: I'm I keep I'm like, is he going to reach
Speaker 4: out to me?
Speaker 3: Should I reach out to him?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What do I do? And so finally, when the episode aired,
Speaker 3: I reach out through Facebook and.
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, uh, your song was great. I'm happier
Speaker 4: on the show. And he was so lovely. He's like
Speaker 4: my publicist really wanted to like like use the fact
Speaker 4: that we dated as a thing to like try to
Speaker 4: get more attention on the song. And I wouldn't let
Speaker 4: her because I know your relationship and he was so lovely.
Speaker 4: But I definitely made out with that voice that is
Speaker 4: singing Kevin fetterliin sog.
Speaker 3: What a small world. It's so weird. It's just such
Speaker 3: a weird thing to be like, oh yeah, I'll sign
Speaker 3: that band. No, I will not. Oh my god, he's fun, dude,
Speaker 3: that's awesome. But that's the world of One Tree Hill folks,
Speaker 3: where you never know. I mean, you've kissed.
Speaker 1: Everybody in Wilmington, kissed everybody in Wilmington, and it turns
Speaker 1: out even the ones who weren't in wilbyt kissed.
Speaker 3: I've kissed literally everyone. I loved it.
Speaker 1: You working on this band also brought for me as
Speaker 1: a viewer one of my favorite scenes in the episode,
Speaker 1: which you know, we talk about how special it is
Speaker 1: when you just get to see friends being friends, but
Speaker 1: this scene with Peyton and Haley sitting by the pool
Speaker 1: eating a snack, Nathan's doing a physical therapy and you
Speaker 1: guys are just talking about how to figure it out
Speaker 1: and you ask for help, which, for whatever reason, we
Speaker 1: don't really do a lot. We don't model that on
Speaker 1: TV very often.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more dramatic to cry in a closet, yeah,
Speaker 4: or to be like I want your.
Speaker 1: Help and then someone says, well, I'm going to help
Speaker 1: you anyway and Nathan, But like, I just loved how
Speaker 1: sweet that moment was. It gave such a again, such
Speaker 1: a backstory, and because Peyton says I need help with something.
Speaker 1: It also it opens up this whole new world for
Speaker 1: Haley and by the end of the episode she's playing
Speaker 1: the piano again.
Speaker 6: I loved that and right on the heels of Haley
Speaker 6: talking about why can't I have also soll my own things? Yes,
Speaker 6: it's so it's so fun I mean, I guess she
Speaker 6: better in the middle of it. But it was also
Speaker 6: funny to me to hear a twenty one year old
Speaker 6: be like, I know I'm a wife and a mother
Speaker 6: and a teacher, but can I also have like a
Speaker 6: big career and can I Also I'm like, no, you can't,
Speaker 6: you can't.
Speaker 3: You cannot have it all.
Speaker 6: Calm down, pick something and stick with it for a
Speaker 6: while and then do something else afterwards.
Speaker 5: For me, it was really cool to see you guys
Speaker 5: work together in that because knowing joy and how musical
Speaker 5: you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was funny.
Speaker 5: It was like, you know, just so cool to see
Speaker 5: you like say, look, I know you don't see it,
Speaker 5: but I know where the gold is in this and
Speaker 5: it's this one the shy girl, and they do Kate
Speaker 5: sing and.
Speaker 3: Was that her song? Yeah? That was her, It must
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just reminded me again how freaking talented she is too. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think just I loved all that. I love that
Speaker 5: stuff with you guys. And then even in the sound
Speaker 5: booth with that classic of like we can't hear, we
Speaker 5: don't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love what he did too. Kevin was so great.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't I don't know if he made
Speaker 6: that choice or if he was directed to do that,
Speaker 6: but it was hilarious him like being big and taking
Speaker 6: all the faces and yelling.
Speaker 3: By Yeah, he had so much fun with that.
Speaker 6: Which is always so nice to see a guest star
Speaker 6: feel free to play and be goofy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and remember how nervous he was about calling
Speaker 4: us bitches, like he really wanted to quantify that, like
Speaker 4: he did not think we were bitches, and this was
Speaker 4: words on paper.
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 6: He used to slap my ass in it in a
Speaker 6: scene later like in you know, if it's the next
Speaker 6: episode of the one afterward, but he smacks me on
Speaker 6: yeah trick and I and he was he was so
Speaker 6: nervous about it, and he was so like, is this okay?
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, Like, oh, I hate making you feel
Speaker 3: this way. I'm like, it's okay, it's in the page.
Speaker 6: I'm fine.
Speaker 4: Do you think he knew what an bol he was
Speaker 4: being cast to play probab?
Speaker 3: I got a call from his manager like, we got
Speaker 3: you a job. You're rock star? Yeahol.
Speaker 1: Didn't he come up as a dancer?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he was kind of like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems cool and I know the show is like
Speaker 1: a hit, but why yeah, I know, like knowing that
Speaker 1: he doesn't sing, I'm like, I wonder if that was
Speaker 1: weird for him. Maybe not.
Speaker 4: It is one of the stranger pieces of casting on
Speaker 4: our show that absolutely works because that mohawk that he
Speaker 4: has that's like so weird, and every bit of it
Speaker 4: just it screams this puzzle piece doesn't fit, so that
Speaker 4: it is magical when Haley finds the right thing. And
Speaker 4: I love that notion of like going home and bringing
Speaker 4: the people you love into the thing that you love.
Speaker 4: Like we've all done that, We've all gone home and
Speaker 4: been like, hey, best friend, can you help me with
Speaker 4: social media?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 4: Best friend, can you help me with this movie? You know,
Speaker 4: who have you guys pulled in in real life to
Speaker 4: help you with this new life that we created for ourselves.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, Well that's I mean, there's so many
Speaker 6: creative projects that because we're in a creative space, especially
Speaker 6: when I was in LA But you know, there's so
Speaker 6: much creativity there and here in Nashville there is. And
Speaker 6: I think that's just a natural byproduct of having relationships
Speaker 6: in a creative community that you'll just bring people in.
Speaker 6: But I still check in with my high school best
Speaker 6: friend Jenny, and you guys met her on the tour
Speaker 6: and will like run ideas by her and just you
Speaker 6: know how, she just lives a completely different life than
Speaker 6: I do. So it's nice to just hear things from
Speaker 6: a different perspective that's so outside of the bubble that
Speaker 6: I can live in. Sometimes. Yeah, I don't know, that's
Speaker 6: my answer.
Speaker 5: What about you, guys, I mean I don't have I'm
Speaker 5: not close to I moved around a lot as a kid,
Speaker 5: as I told you a little bit.
Speaker 3: Then stay close with the five hundred people in Vermont, Daphney.
Speaker 3: That's great. Same weird.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I turned seventeen and graduated, and I
Speaker 5: was out of there.
Speaker 7: But I did make a very good friend there, thank God.
Speaker 5: And in hindsight, I'm so glad I lived there during
Speaker 5: those years and in nature and with the small and
Speaker 5: my graduating class was one hundred and twenty nine people, but.
Speaker 7: I don't know any of them anymore.
Speaker 5: But if the people currently count, I mean, I'm constantly.
Speaker 5: I just sent the script that I wrote a hundred
Speaker 5: years ago to a friend of mine today, I'm like,
Speaker 5: read it.
Speaker 3: Let me know what you think.
Speaker 7: She's You know, Joy, I remember you were shooting. You
Speaker 7: did a short.
Speaker 5: I think that a friend of yours was directing or something,
Speaker 5: and we did a scene or something.
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, together, And I just love that.
Speaker 7: Because you know, at heart were playful.
Speaker 5: You know, every time David watches something, he's like, God,
Speaker 5: what you guys do is fun.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: Of course he knows the behind the scenes stuff too,
Speaker 5: because he's we've been together fifteen years and he knows
Speaker 5: it's like a lot of hard stuff too, But he's like, God,
Speaker 5: can you believe you're grown ups and this is your job?
Speaker 8: Yeahan, So we have that playfulness that we had as
Speaker 8: a kid, and so I love it when I can
Speaker 8: just drop the worry, drop the hustle, let.
Speaker 3: Go of the like your career.
Speaker 5: Just trust for just trust the universe trusts things for like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, a couple of days, so you can
Speaker 5: just go play and then I'll just you know, be
Speaker 5: playful with my grown up friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that I've known for a long time here in
Speaker 3: LA I.
Speaker 5: Mean I've been here since I was seventeen, so I
Speaker 5: do have a lot of friends here that are like that.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. It's like so many of my closest
Speaker 1: friends who you know, I think maybe we found each
Speaker 1: other because we all were a bit in these weird ways.
Speaker 1: Like I've always found it hard to be the person
Speaker 1: who always has to leave for a job. And you know,
Speaker 1: we left our job and then I you know, everybody
Speaker 1: did in their own ways, but like I went and
Speaker 1: I did this other job, and then it's like, well,
Speaker 1: do I try to stay present with all these people
Speaker 1: who just scattered in the wind as often as I
Speaker 1: want to, or do I stay present in this job
Speaker 1: I have to do now ten months a year, And
Speaker 1: like I always kind of feel like I'm failing in
Speaker 1: one direction or the other, and then there's home, and
Speaker 1: then there's family, and then they're like how do you
Speaker 1: juggle all these balls right? And for me, it's like
Speaker 1: if I love you, I love you forever forever, Like
Speaker 1: you're in I could talk to you once a week
Speaker 1: or once a year, it doesn't matter, Like tell me
Speaker 1: what you need, where you need me to be, I'll
Speaker 1: be there. And I think what's been helpful, like in
Speaker 1: all of our friendships and in the friendships I have
Speaker 1: with friends who have merged art and activism, is that
Speaker 1: we're all kind of nomadic, so we all get it.
Speaker 1: And it's me a long time to find people who
Speaker 1: got it and who didn't resent it. And this feels
Speaker 1: like such a sweet season of life, you know, this
Speaker 1: last ten years in particular, because everybody kind of ebbs
Speaker 1: and flows together and shows up for each other. And
Speaker 1: you know, even when we decided to do this podcast,
Speaker 1: like I called Kenny and was like, hey, can you
Speaker 1: come and direct a music video? He was like, day yeah,
Speaker 1: And like, you know, Kenny was my whatever the girl's
Speaker 1: version of a best man is, he was my like
Speaker 1: he was my man, a man or I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, like ye it's my dude, Like he stood
Speaker 1: next to me at my wedding, And what a cool
Speaker 1: thing to have somebody who you can call and go,
Speaker 1: you want to go do a weird photo shoot at
Speaker 1: one am on sunset and he'll call me and ask
Speaker 1: me that and I'm like yeah, And then I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you make a video for a podcast? And he's
Speaker 1: like yeah. Like anything that we want to do, we do.
Speaker 1: And it's it is really special when you get to,
Speaker 1: I think, experience that with your friends. And now we're
Speaker 1: in this moment where we're dreaming about like going to
Speaker 1: make a feature and what that would look like, and
Speaker 1: that I just can't wait for that nice well.
Speaker 4: I love That's like one of my favorite scenes in
Speaker 4: the episode is when everyone is a close over bros
Speaker 4: getting ready for Brooks big thing, and you know, Millicent comments, She's.
Speaker 3: Like, your friends like showed up also.
Speaker 4: But that sense of like, yeah, we haven't all been
Speaker 4: together in a very long time, but that doesn't stop
Speaker 4: us from showing up.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: And I think in the real world and in a
Speaker 1: world that's as busy as this one, is the people
Speaker 1: that you can just pick right back up with regardless
Speaker 1: of times that's so meaningful. Yeah, and we got to
Speaker 1: model that in this episode.
Speaker 3: And also make them work.
Speaker 4: We all paint on us, we're dirty trying to put
Speaker 4: everything together.
Speaker 1: I also love that Daphney puts the button on the
Speaker 1: end of that sweet moment, everyone's like, wow, your friends,
Speaker 1: and Millicin gets vulnerable and says, I don't have real
Speaker 1: in New York and you walk up and go, she's
Speaker 1: very frumpy.
Speaker 3: We should fire her. Yeah, totally. What if she looks
Speaker 3: like a slavic something? What's the bag woman Favella, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I love It's so good. Well, that's it.
Speaker 4: It's so we see brute Brooks like gaping mother wound. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this whole episode is about mother wounds, because we start
Speaker 4: with Brooks gaping mother wound, Peyton going to visit her
Speaker 4: dead mother's grave, and then the episode ends with Haley
Speaker 4: seeing this picture that Jamie has drawn of him in
Speaker 4: the arms of another woman, and that is a different
Speaker 4: kind of mother wound. And so all of these like
Speaker 4: very big feelings about motherhood are wrapped up in this story.
Speaker 3: Even the cougar gets thrown in there. Yeah, the cougar. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's also when you do come back to this town,
Speaker 5: to a small town like this, you know, you don't
Speaker 5: get to yes, your friends rally for you.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: All those other old old feelings show up. You know.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys.
Speaker 7: My mother still lives back East, and when I go visit, it's.
Speaker 3: Like, Breeze, you don't live here anymore.
Speaker 7: You know, you're your own woman, You have your own life.
Speaker 3: You can't afford to leave. You're not stuck, you know,
Speaker 3: like I just.
Speaker 5: Have to breathe through it all if I you know,
Speaker 5: I'm going to put a.
Speaker 7: Limit, maybe four or five days, pops, because when you.
Speaker 3: Do, you know, come back to this small town.
Speaker 5: I mean all the ghosts are there too, obviously for
Speaker 5: your character, yeah, Hillary, and you know anyway, So I
Speaker 5: just feel like I just feel like that when you're
Speaker 5: saying all her friends rally. I mean it's just like
Speaker 5: for for Victorious, like what's that saying?
Speaker 3: Shooting ducks in a pond? Like you're like us band?
Speaker 3: That was my first line.
Speaker 5: I think maybe my with with Lucas, Like I've never
Speaker 5: even met him, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Were you?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like how many of them I gotta knock over?
Speaker 4: Just loved it, listen. I wish you would have seen
Speaker 4: Nathan with the long hair. That's the Victoria commentary that
Speaker 4: I would have Nail with.
Speaker 3: The long hair.
Speaker 6: Is that like Becky with the good Becky with the
Speaker 6: good hair, we have the same haircut. I just kept
Speaker 6: looking at that scene like we're with His hair was longer,
Speaker 6: but I was like, wow, we're twins, and I actually
Speaker 6: make fun of his hair.
Speaker 4: And then scene we got messages from fans because last
Speaker 4: episode we asked. We were like, god, Nathan looks like
Speaker 4: someone when he shaves his beard and we can't figure
Speaker 4: out who he looks like.
Speaker 3: And I got a message from a fan.
Speaker 4: They're like, Hillary, he looks like the end of Beauty
Speaker 4: and the Beast when the Beast turns into a man.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, D's like huge blue eyes.
Speaker 4: And oh my god, oh Victorious commentary on that hair
Speaker 4: just would have been.
Speaker 1: It would have been fabulous.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I feel like a service, a public service that the
Speaker 5: writers of Victoria the character can do for what fans
Speaker 5: and audiences. Just like if you're in life, you know,
Speaker 5: you can just come up with a Victoria to deal
Speaker 5: with something.
Speaker 3: Because she doesn't apologize.
Speaker 7: She does she does the least ever until towards the
Speaker 7: end when she kind of sees obviously when she can
Speaker 7: for to let the shell down. You know, episodes to come,
Speaker 7: years to come.
Speaker 4: You need an app like an insult generator that's all
Speaker 4: victoria based.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, like you have those daily affirmation apps, but
Speaker 1: you do like you do your daily dose of victoria.
Speaker 1: It just says a rude thing to you every day.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, I kind of want that app. I
Speaker 6: really want that app, and.
Speaker 1: We should make it and not let anyone do it.
Speaker 1: They can't steal our idea, our idea.
Speaker 5: Because you know, when you're feeling insecure and apologetic, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can take up space in
Speaker 5: the world world, and what if they're right and they're
Speaker 5: right and he's right.
Speaker 3: And it's like you have a hard.
Speaker 5: Time setting your boundaries right, Like the therapist is going
Speaker 5: you need healthy boundaries, that's okay, and.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, that sounds exhausting. Just coming.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you a boundary, you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: and just pull up your victoria.
Speaker 1: You're having a hard time with a boundary. This should
Speaker 1: be your boundary. Get over yourself and be like, okay,
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 4: It speaking of someone with lots of boundaries. So Quentin
Speaker 4: is night and what do we think of Hayley, who
Speaker 4: was like, I need to save this kid.
Speaker 3: Actually, I don't need to save this kid. Nathan, what
Speaker 3: are you doing?
Speaker 6: You need to do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. She's like, duh, you need a project.
Speaker 1: I have too many projects. Get out of the house.
Speaker 3: Can't help me.
Speaker 6: This is a smart woman who understands how to get
Speaker 6: her man into a zone that he needs to be
Speaker 6: in in a really loving and encouraging way.
Speaker 3: And it's great.
Speaker 6: And then he shows up with a haircut on the
Speaker 6: real Court, looking great, feeling good, and and then he
Speaker 6: convinces Lucas to like.
Speaker 3: It's great, it all works? Does it? Scared for them?
Speaker 1: I really need to understand why after all these episodes
Speaker 1: the writers had Hayley make fun of Nathan's haircut, and
Speaker 1: then Nathan goes and gets a haircut for Quentin. Like
Speaker 1: the reveal is when he's at the River Court.
Speaker 3: An a sexy moment between husband and w I'm so.
Speaker 1: Sorry that is a reveal James that range Rower looking
Speaker 1: like Clark. You can't and nobody sees it except for
Speaker 1: a kid who tells me he.
Speaker 3: Has a missed opportunity. That's awesome. Bumbled the ball there.
Speaker 1: Haley should have said, you are you whatever? You're bringing
Speaker 1: the mullet back? Yeah, And then he should have been like,
Speaker 1: give me a second and come back into the kitchen
Speaker 1: with a pair of scissors. And she should have given
Speaker 1: him a haircut on the edge of the bathtub and would.
Speaker 3: Have been sexy.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you need a little sexiness. Yes, what another
Speaker 6: missed opportunity.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, I did love that line
Speaker 5: that between he and quin about what team.
Speaker 3: Do you have?
Speaker 7: He goes to insult him, what team do you want?
Speaker 5: And he knows he doesn't, and then Nathan says, oh,
Speaker 5: I'll tell you, and then he goes to what's that
Speaker 5: line where he just says like, you know, I can't walk,
Speaker 5: I have nothing, I have this and that and if
Speaker 5: you can't read a book, then welcome to my team.
Speaker 3: I just thought that was so good. Like, what episode
Speaker 3: did you watch? Is always just another episode? Was that
Speaker 3: in this episode? Did I miss it? You? Guys?
Speaker 1: I could have stopped watching. I'm sorry, Daphne, you are
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 3: She's like, actually in five point fifteen, we're going to
Speaker 3: oh sorry, we'll get there. Okay, well that's telling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there is something to say about the fact that, like,
Speaker 4: when you feel isolated, sometimes the only person who can
Speaker 4: get through to you is someone who has also been
Speaker 4: in that position. You know, that is the person you know,
Speaker 4: I've been open about like Moira Kelly telling me you
Speaker 4: should leave this show, you should go, because she'd also
Speaker 4: been in positions. You have to have someone who's been
Speaker 4: there before, so that you know that the path out
Speaker 4: is manageable, you know, yea, And Nathan's giving him a
Speaker 4: path out of this very ugly corner he's put himself in.
Speaker 4: Although that scene where he put Chad on his heels
Speaker 4: in that office was delicious.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: How to navigate that. If a kid was talking to
Speaker 3: me that way, I die. Yeah, what would you do?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And think about it. It's the second
Speaker 1: time we've seen Quentin do this. He did it to Haley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you think that this youngster absolutely has to stop.
Speaker 1: He's a youngster, right past where you assume the line
Speaker 1: is going to be, like he's a high school kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a child, and he crosses the line with Haley.
Speaker 1: He crosses the line with Lucas and even with Nathan.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting is that Nathan is the first person
Speaker 1: who says it's not going to get you anywhere. It's
Speaker 1: not a battle between who's going to win. And he
Speaker 1: says it's going to damage your relationships. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was an interesting peek into Quentin' psyche because he
Speaker 1: said relationships. Who needs a relationship when and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: this kid doesn't have experiences of trust in his life,
Speaker 1: got it?
Speaker 6: Well, he can't if he's behaving that way, because that's
Speaker 6: what kids do when they they don't have they haven't
Speaker 6: been given boundaries, like they push. They push because they
Speaker 6: want to know where the boundaries are, and if nobody
Speaker 6: ever puts any up, then they just keep put they can.
Speaker 6: And then it makes sense he would get to school
Speaker 6: and just start trying to push everything over, like does
Speaker 6: anybody care enough about me to say no and still
Speaker 6: love me anyway? I mean, that's like the foundation of
Speaker 6: whatever kid is looking for all the time when they
Speaker 6: just are pushing, pushing, pushing, So it's it's really very
Speaker 6: to I thought it was very telling and it's super
Speaker 6: authentic and accurate to what a lot of kids go through.
Speaker 4: I think it was really calm of Nathan too. My
Speaker 4: favorite line in that little change at the River Court
Speaker 4: was when Quintin was like, yeah, and lucky for you,
Speaker 4: I quit the team because I was about to break
Speaker 4: your scoring record. And rather than be like, no, you weren't,
Speaker 4: Nathan's like all right, well let's see if we can
Speaker 4: change that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I'd love for you to break my record.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be wonderful? Come on, kid, let's do it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was a very adult way to handle that kind
Speaker 4: of antagonism.
Speaker 1: I'm scrolling through my notes and this has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with anything, but I want to talk about this. Okay,
Speaker 1: you and that cube bartender flirting were a vibe girl,
Speaker 1: and and the I have the whole thing of like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, because it comes on the heels of Victoria
Speaker 1: eviscerating Lucas and Peyton being like yeah, been there, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the club, kid, and then we get to have
Speaker 1: this cute moment and it's like an oh an oh,
Speaker 1: and it's so fun at the bar. And I love
Speaker 1: that Carol put us in really similar dresses, like yeah,
Speaker 1: yours had a low front, mine had a low back,
Speaker 1: but they both were like swirly yours in like green
Speaker 1: and dark green and mine and shades of purple.
Speaker 3: And that was the day we did that famous photo shoot.
Speaker 1: Yes, you feel like you're watching like the Bobs Twins
Speaker 1: go on an adventure and then you're flirting with a
Speaker 1: dude we've never seen before, and they have Lucas walk
Speaker 1: up to Peyton and he's instantly jealous, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I get it. I want to know more about what
Speaker 1: she's talking.
Speaker 3: To that guy about. Who is that guy? What's the vibe?
Speaker 1: Did Hillary kiss him after work? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: need to know.
Speaker 3: Like I bought it.
Speaker 1: I bought it from the walk up and it it
Speaker 1: was a reminder of how fresh but like it was
Speaker 1: fresh to see you as someone knew. It felt fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love like what's happening in this season and
Speaker 4: I can tell that, like, you know, twenty four to
Speaker 4: twenty five year old Hillary Burton was also having fun.
Speaker 4: And I remember this this scene, you know, I remember
Speaker 4: feeling really defensive of Lindsay because we had that fun
Speaker 4: exchange at the beginning and it was like, I've dup,
Speaker 4: you're a cool girl. I'm gonna be a cool girl too.
Speaker 4: We'll be cool girls together and then it's like she's
Speaker 4: daring me to go out with her boyfrien friend and
Speaker 4: we all know how this is gonna go.
Speaker 3: But Peyton has to be honorable. And so when Luke
Speaker 3: does this like, you know, lame, he's not good enough
Speaker 3: for you stuff. I hated that.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you didn't watch the episode and you're
Speaker 6: listening to this, this is the moment when Peyton is
Speaker 6: flirting with the bartender and like having a finally free
Speaker 6: moment to herself and he has to ruin it.
Speaker 3: He walks in it. He has to. He walks up.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, let's go.
Speaker 6: She says, you know, I'm kind of enjoying this moment.
Speaker 6: Selsey letter bye bye. Yeah, and he leans in and
Speaker 6: goes he's not good enough for you.
Speaker 3: He doesn't even just lean in.
Speaker 1: He pulls her back and embraces her right in her ear.
Speaker 1: I honestly was like, oh my god, is he going
Speaker 1: to kiss her? Like I didn't know what was coming.
Speaker 4: It was so intimate, and it like felt like I
Speaker 4: felt bad for the actor that was playing the bartender
Speaker 4: like all of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did too.
Speaker 4: We'd all been together for long enough that like it
Speaker 4: just felt real and kind of strange.
Speaker 3: And so when we were.
Speaker 4: Shooting that in particular, you know, all the all of
Speaker 4: Karen's cafe is windows, and so we had to shoot
Speaker 4: that at night. And the woman who lived across the
Speaker 4: street from Close Over Bros.
Speaker 3: Hated us. She hated us.
Speaker 4: And so as we're doing the scene where I have
Speaker 4: to go out the front door and be like, don't
Speaker 4: do that, right, she starts putting on like mariachi music
Speaker 4: and like lasting crazy music at two or three o'clock
Speaker 4: in the morning because she's so pissed that we're filming.
Speaker 4: And there's some fan video online of Chad and I
Speaker 4: just like dancing in the street because we can't film,
Speaker 4: we can't do anything.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's just making it go longer. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's it. We'll stay all night, babe, we're here.
Speaker 1: She didn't even realize she was shooting herself in the butt.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Did anybody track this part? Because I
Speaker 1: wrote it down my notes. Lindsay does the thing you mentioned? Hillary?
Speaker 1: She says, you know you'd never do that, like you'd
Speaker 1: be a terrible person. I'm not doing it. I'm counting
Speaker 1: on it. You have your whole thing, and it's funny, funny, funny,
Speaker 1: ha ha ha. But the opener, because guys, we usually
Speaker 1: skip the recap, like, duh, we're watching an episode a week.
Speaker 1: We know what happened last week, we had a computer glitch.
Speaker 1: This week, we couldn't skip the recap. At the end
Speaker 1: of the recap, Lucas's voiceover says something about, while I
Speaker 1: have the quote written downe, what if the things we
Speaker 1: were looking for were in tree Hill all along? And
Speaker 1: as Lucas is reading that part of his little voiceover monologue,
Speaker 1: it cuts to Peyton on the river court. So they
Speaker 1: open the episode with a teaser about how he's been
Speaker 1: looking for her all along, and then Lindsay's like, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be that terrible of a person to hit on
Speaker 1: my boyfriend. And when I told you to go to
Speaker 1: an event with him, and then he does that thing
Speaker 1: to you, he hugs you. No, nope, nope, you know
Speaker 1: there is drama coming.
Speaker 4: And I like that Peyton doesn't go home from the event,
Speaker 4: you know, like she goes home, she sees Brooke crying
Speaker 4: and never makes it about herself.
Speaker 3: She's not like Lucas did a weird It's just like
Speaker 3: you know what. He doesn't even register, like, I'm so
Speaker 3: over him, I'm not even gonna mention him.
Speaker 5: Yeah pass, I mean you guys, I have to say, though,
Speaker 5: it seems very realistic that he or a guy like
Speaker 5: in his position would do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard that with I'm sure something.
Speaker 5: Like that, like he's not good enough for you and
Speaker 5: he's not, which just doesn't mean come back to me.
Speaker 5: It just means I'm gonna, you know, keep some kind
Speaker 5: of control over you, or just like put that in.
Speaker 3: Your ear exactly. Yeah. Yeah, but it's so common.
Speaker 6: It's so common. That's what's so infuriating. I think that's
Speaker 6: why we're all so like, because it's been done to us.
Speaker 3: We all experience that.
Speaker 1: Because you're so clearly marking your territory.
Speaker 4: Yes, Victoria would say, like, I know, what's your point?
Speaker 3: Neither are you exactly? Neither were you? Who is? Who isous?
Speaker 5: I would have loved it if Peyton would a run
Speaker 5: back in Victoria, get down.
Speaker 6: Here, get him, yes, yeah him, get him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know you hate me, but hate him more.
Speaker 6: Here's what he did to me.
Speaker 1: I think we also have to talk about how incredible
Speaker 1: it is to get Kate Vogel and to have these
Speaker 1: scenes where you get to see her singing and like
Speaker 1: belting these songs. And I was laughing that we gave
Speaker 1: Mia the Rachel Lee Cook treatment. Like we put this
Speaker 1: girl who looks like Angelina Jolie in a hoodie and
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, she's so awkward and very secure.
Speaker 1: She started belting like a freaking legend at the piano.
Speaker 3: I totally forgot that's how Mia came to us. The
Speaker 3: combination of you and Kate is so great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice to see that mentor relationship.
Speaker 3: But also history repeating itself.
Speaker 4: You know, the life in a small town is about
Speaker 4: cycles and watching Haley take Mia the way she should
Speaker 4: have been mentored instead of Chris Keller, you know, ruining
Speaker 4: her relationship. God, if Haley had just had a Haley, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it would have been man.
Speaker 3: Adele's so smart.
Speaker 6: What a mar I thought you met the singer Adele.
Speaker 6: I'm like, did she have a Haley? No, Adele Limb Sorry,
Speaker 6: the writer a writer so smart. It's just so smart
Speaker 6: to tie all that in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going, oh, another woman who belts at the
Speaker 1: piano like a legend. Of course, Well, enjoy I have
Speaker 1: a question for you, because there's that beat where you
Speaker 1: before the true mentor relationship starts at the beginning, when
Speaker 1: you first walk in and you and you catch her,
Speaker 1: Haley catches me a singing at the piano in her
Speaker 1: little hoodie, and you're looking all cute and emo, and
Speaker 1: she's so afraid that Jason Kevin Feederline's gonna find out,
Speaker 1: and she runs off, and you do the thing where
Speaker 1: like as she runs out of the room, we can
Speaker 1: see Haley having an idea. I'm like, do you remember
Speaker 1: if that was one of those times that you got
Speaker 1: the parentheses under Mia exits and then off Haley scheming like,
Speaker 1: did you have that kind of thing in the script?
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was wheels turning?
Speaker 3: Yeah, wheels.
Speaker 6: They loved a wheels turning, didn't They loved a wheels turning?
Speaker 6: Wheels turned so many times on this show, didn't.
Speaker 3: We used to sing the Journey song the wheel in
Speaker 3: this guy he's on turning.
Speaker 4: I feel like the ad department definitely would sing that
Speaker 4: song making fun of us.
Speaker 6: The only song we heard all the time on set,
Speaker 6: mostly because I would sing it was turn around You
Speaker 6: never know then, like I just couldn't help it. Every
Speaker 6: single time somebody said turn around, it was like my
Speaker 6: brain was screaming until I let it out for like
Speaker 6: even the little tiniest moment. I'm sorry to all of
Speaker 6: you who had to live with that for so long.
Speaker 3: It was a delight. I mean, sure, you just.
Speaker 1: Voiced what the rest of us were thinking. Bib.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think Kate's introduction is great. It struck me how
Speaker 4: young she is, like as young as we all were.
Speaker 3: What was she seventeen eighteen?
Speaker 6: I thought she was nineteen, but we were not twenty one.
Speaker 6: We were all older by twenty four.
Speaker 1: We were all like twenty five by now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was definitely young. I think she was nineteen.
Speaker 4: And I love that she really struck that emo vibe
Speaker 4: of like the really like glossy bla black bang across
Speaker 4: the face. Like we've had enough emo bands on the show,
Speaker 4: and Peyton is like the least emo looking emo girl,
Speaker 4: because there was a uniform, you were sweat bands on
Speaker 4: your wrist, you had that glossy bang that hung down
Speaker 4: over your face, you had the eyeliner, and there's just
Speaker 4: there was the hoodie sweatshirt and Kate is finally the
Speaker 4: right representation for that that lovely little subculture.
Speaker 3: I still listen to the Emo station on Sirius Radio.
Speaker 1: I know you do, Daphne, did you ever have an
Speaker 1: Emo phase or like any kind of.
Speaker 5: Specific music phase. I'm just writing this down, I go.
Speaker 5: Should I say this, You're gonna sound really old and out.
Speaker 3: Of its characters. Okay, so listen, Like remember like the
Speaker 3: James Taylor like emotional folk rock vibe all right, now,
Speaker 3: put some like bass guitars on that and a bunch
Speaker 3: of boys with terrible haircuts, and that was emo. No,
Speaker 3: that's grund grunge. Grunge was Nirvana. But but that the
Speaker 3: emo came out of the grunge thing.
Speaker 4: It was way more like eighties glam rock. These boys
Speaker 4: had so much hair product and so much like stage production,
Speaker 4: but they were it was like play acting punk rock,
Speaker 4: but instead they were just talking about girls dumping them all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like deeply emotional rock music, like like Daphne,
Speaker 1: follow Boy is like a very emo famous band Emo.
Speaker 7: Okay, so it means emotional, but like, yes, it's short
Speaker 7: for that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: Well my era was James Taylor, the og.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know you couldn't improve
Speaker 5: upon that. It was so simple and pear down. It's
Speaker 5: just so pristinely perfect and spoke from the emotion that
Speaker 5: we all related to.
Speaker 3: So simple. But I gotta say, listening.
Speaker 5: To you guys talk, I mean, when I hear that
Speaker 5: kind of music, I get.
Speaker 7: So tired of these boys saying the same thing.
Speaker 5: In another way, it's kind of like I love country music,
Speaker 5: but you know that whole thing, like the truck songs.
Speaker 7: Like yeah, the cowboy and the truck.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna take you down a dirt road and
Speaker 5: we're gonna, you know whatever.
Speaker 7: The it's like, how many ways can you say one thing?
Speaker 3: It's just one thing you're saying.
Speaker 7: It's there's nothing out there.
Speaker 4: You know, I would prefer if you helped me with
Speaker 4: the mental labor of grocery shopping and playing in the
Speaker 4: house and.
Speaker 3: Washer have a fun.
Speaker 7: It's just so funny talk about the repetition.
Speaker 5: But you know, and speaking of that, well, never mind,
Speaker 5: I think it was another episode.
Speaker 3: I watched like.
Speaker 5: Three of those these Oh my god, guy, but I
Speaker 5: just it was so I mean, I guess, not analyzing everything.
Speaker 5: I just really every time, I you know, I really
Speaker 5: get why the fans are still strong. You know, I
Speaker 5: really do like other than you guys have made this wonderful.
Speaker 5: You parlayed what you were and grown in front of
Speaker 5: in the public into this version of yourself. You know,
Speaker 5: you've grown up into this and it's so rich and
Speaker 5: you have so much to offer. I also, I get it,
Speaker 5: like so watching and I was like, you know, David
Speaker 5: went off and did something, and he.
Speaker 3: Comes back and goes, are you still watching him? Like wait,
Speaker 3: who is that guy? Wait? There?
Speaker 5: And I'm literally thinking, Oh, if I were an audience,
Speaker 5: if I were the fan of audience, I would just
Speaker 5: totally just totally get it because you guys, you know,
Speaker 5: I know you behind the scenes, but you really showed
Speaker 5: up and brought it to the screen.
Speaker 3: I mean you really did.
Speaker 5: It's and then knowing you now knowing you more, uh,
Speaker 5: it's it was just I had so much fun watching it,
Speaker 5: that's all.
Speaker 3: And again, everyone's so good.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait to have a question because I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you this anyway, But now knowing that you've peeked ahead.
Speaker 3: Do you.
Speaker 1: I mean, god, there's just so much coming for Victoria.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite storyline or moment for her?
Speaker 1: When you look back on the years that you did
Speaker 1: the show with us a Victoria line.
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, I did five years, so there's so
Speaker 5: much to come, you know.
Speaker 3: With with.
Speaker 5: There's just so much to come, including becoming a grandmother.
Speaker 3: You don't do a little freaking twins.
Speaker 7: But this the just right ahead, a few episodes ahead.
Speaker 7: I loved when she's like, Okay, you're not going to
Speaker 7: leave town.
Speaker 3: I'm staying.
Speaker 7: And there's like in the bar and the trick, there's
Speaker 7: just all that fun.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, you're like sexy dancing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys have you guys have all this drama
Speaker 5: and there's yes, it's it was fun in there.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 5: Again, I loved I loved her strength, but I also
Speaker 5: love to bring humor to it. So when they would
Speaker 5: give me funny stuff, I just I just ate it up.
Speaker 5: I just loved it because she gets to me both well.
Speaker 4: Speaking of that, like cougar energy, we need to we
Speaker 4: need to assess the mouth and his boss storyline.
Speaker 3: How are we feeling about that?
Speaker 4: I feel like we avoid it because it's like I
Speaker 4: don't necessarily know how to feel about it.
Speaker 1: You know, the only person who makes me feel okay
Speaker 1: about it, Yes, kills Yes, because he's so funny.
Speaker 3: His joy like his bliss. The mouth is like hooking
Speaker 3: up with the boss.
Speaker 1: Those scenes are so fun to watch Antoine, But I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: The mouth and the.
Speaker 1: Boss seems make me feel very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't have anything about them. I just wait for
Speaker 6: them to be over because I'm uncomfortable too.
Speaker 3: Like he's doing a great job. The actors are great.
Speaker 3: It's not their fault. I've hated it.
Speaker 4: And there were some specific lines in this one about
Speaker 4: like there was stuff where it was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: hooking up with the boss, and now she's going to
Speaker 4: put me on TV, and is that the lesson that
Speaker 4: we're trying to pass along? But when mouth goes and
Speaker 4: is like I saw you on a date with someone else,
Speaker 4: and this grown woman said, my personal life is my
Speaker 4: personal life, but I'm here are I? And that other
Speaker 4: guy was boring?
Speaker 3: Like I just really liked how she did that because
Speaker 3: she wasn't wrong, like her personal life is her personal life,
Speaker 3: and I like that she asserted that, like I don't.
Speaker 4: Owe you anything. I appreciated that moment, but that's about
Speaker 4: all I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: I did like Antoine's lines yeah.
Speaker 3: You need to ask for a raise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need to the claw marks, Oh my god,
Speaker 4: those were aggressive.
Speaker 1: Too much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a weird storyline, but we saw a
Speaker 4: glimmer of mouth and Millie, which was excitement.
Speaker 1: The first meat, the meat cute in the store. Oh
Speaker 1: so sweet. Lisa is such a joy to watch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, she's real dropped in God, I just.
Speaker 1: I remember feeling when she showed up. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: everything just got better because she's so much fun as
Speaker 1: an actor. She's so wonderful as a person. I mean,
Speaker 1: just so great, And I don't know, there were so
Speaker 1: many happy stories that came out of are show in
Speaker 1: these years, like Mikayla and her husband, Lisa and her husband,
Speaker 1: like you know, Lee and his wife, like so just
Speaker 1: so many things were blossoming, and it just felt like
Speaker 1: such a special, sparkly moment. And interestingly, as as our
Speaker 1: characters got to get back to friendships, and you know, obviously, Daphne,
Speaker 1: you came in as an initial foil, but we forged
Speaker 1: a great friendship like so many of us who'd been
Speaker 1: there for so long, We're having these experiences of friendships.
Speaker 1: And then there were folks coming in who we just
Speaker 1: loved immediately. And then who also found this sort of
Speaker 1: new joy in their lives, like this happiness it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just a really I look back on
Speaker 1: season five really fondly.
Speaker 7: I loved it when Melicent likes late mouth.
Speaker 3: I just was like, Oh, they're just perfect, you know, perfect.
Speaker 3: And I agree about there was a softness.
Speaker 7: Her character was just you know, sweet, and there.
Speaker 5: Was just a softness. It was really fun for me
Speaker 5: to work with her. Balanced out the energy that I
Speaker 5: had to play, even though I was throwing darts at her. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And plus she's just so nice, you know on the
Speaker 5: camera when there was a cut, she was so funny.
Speaker 3: You know, we just had so sweet.
Speaker 4: Remember how excited we were when we found out she
Speaker 4: was a real Disney princess.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was gonna do I just look what this
Speaker 3: is the coolest thing you could tell us lariol or something. Jasmine,
Speaker 3: Jasmine and Bell and Bell. That's right. God, she's so cool,
Speaker 3: She's so cool, so perfect.
Speaker 4: Man, Just that that bright and bubbly energy. There's nothing
Speaker 4: you can do to squash it. Yes, her coming up
Speaker 4: with that little check with a paper check. Remember before Venmo,
Speaker 4: we had check.
Speaker 1: Books Oh yeah, my god, it makes me want to cry.
Speaker 1: That did make me cry that moment. With as much
Speaker 1: as Victoria is the badgering Milicent in this episode, Milicent
Speaker 1: being willing to stand in front of Victoria, not just
Speaker 1: in front of Brook, but with Victoria watching and say
Speaker 1: I believe in you. It's so bold and it's so kind,
Speaker 1: and oh, I just loved it.
Speaker 6: We got a lot of information about her too, because
Speaker 6: it shows us that even though she's eager to please
Speaker 6: and wants to do hard work and wants to kind
Speaker 6: of float under the radar and she's just trying to
Speaker 6: get by, we got the information that she's not a pushover. Yeah,
Speaker 6: which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 3: M Right.
Speaker 7: She brought that check in front of Y'll buy.
Speaker 6: It to have all those typical characteristics of somebody who
Speaker 6: you would think would kind of be a doormat. Yeah,
Speaker 6: if we're using that phrase, But she's not, she's not
Speaker 6: at all. She's actually she's very confident. Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 3: Did we miss anything. I'm going through my notes.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we have some really important
Speaker 1: things happening on paper in this episode. Millicent hands me
Speaker 1: that check. Yes, and then Haley finds the Jamie and
Speaker 1: Mom drawing that turns out to be Nanny Carey, Like.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's that, because I was watching,
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, so what, like that's of course
Speaker 6: the kid's going to make a drawing of somebody who's
Speaker 6: become important in their life. That's not a big deal.
Speaker 6: But I guess it's when it's your first kid. I
Speaker 6: was like, actually, the first time Maria ever did a drawing,
Speaker 6: and like, wasn't about me or her dad, I was
Speaker 6: it was like a nanny or something like that. I
Speaker 6: definitely felt a little pang of like, other people matter.
Speaker 3: I want to be the only one who matters. I know,
Speaker 3: you got to just yeah.
Speaker 1: But I also think the interesting thing is right, Haley
Speaker 1: has been sacrificing her self for her family, yeah, and
Speaker 1: loves her family obviously, and you know, has been in
Speaker 1: our support system. But in the first moment that Nathan
Speaker 1: starts to show up again, and in the first moment
Speaker 1: that she gets some help and she thanks someone for
Speaker 1: giving her space to find her individuality again, that space
Speaker 1: is being filled by someone else. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing. Kids deserve community, but it
Speaker 1: is new and this idea that like, wait, I've spent
Speaker 1: one week in the studio and now my kid is
Speaker 1: drawing pictures of someone else, Like how do you process that?
Speaker 1: How do you divest from your own ego as a
Speaker 1: parent and say okay, this is okay? And for us
Speaker 1: knowing where the Nanny Carey story goes, I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 1: it's like death by a thousand cuts, like it's starting.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think it got to me
Speaker 1: in perhaps a more intense way because I know who
Speaker 1: Nanny Carey is going to be. But it really did
Speaker 1: make me think about it. And you said it earlier, Joy,
Speaker 1: You were like, you just can't have it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I've heard so many women I respect say, look,
Speaker 1: you can through your life, but you can't have it
Speaker 1: all at the same time. No, you know, everything is
Speaker 1: about balance and juggling. And you know, Hayley's getting some
Speaker 1: of herself back after this period of immense sacrifice and
Speaker 1: putting herself last, and she's feeling it. And I thought,
Speaker 1: I just thought it.
Speaker 4: Was cool that scene where you were thinking, Carrie. All
Speaker 4: I could think about was that scene and The Godfather
Speaker 4: where he.
Speaker 3: Knows he knows his brother's betrayed.
Speaker 4: Him, and he goes and like kisses him in front
Speaker 4: of everyone, and it is like, like it felt like
Speaker 4: because the same way that Peyton read into the Lindsay stuff,
Speaker 4: I can feel Nanny Carey be like, what do you mean,
Speaker 4: thank you? I'm not doing this for you, I'm doing
Speaker 4: this for my boys. That's right, Like you could just
Speaker 4: start to feel like the ikiness creeping.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see where it goes. You guys, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see when Nanny Carey gets crazy. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what Daphne saw prepping for this
Speaker 1: in the next three episodes.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, wait, so do Victoria and the Nanny ever
Speaker 4: cross paths?
Speaker 5: No, And you know I knew, you know, Tory DeVito
Speaker 5: played my daughter and Beautiful People, and as serios we
Speaker 5: did probably I don't know, eight years earlier or six
Speaker 5: years earlier.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we wanted to have scenes together, that's all.
Speaker 5: We would see each other, you know all We're like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't that interesting that you guys had worked
Speaker 1: together before? So many people from our show have come
Speaker 1: in and out of jobs together. And then we left
Speaker 1: North Carolina and I started working in Chicago, and then
Speaker 1: Tory came to work with me and right, yeah, they
Speaker 1: were on these sister shows. Tory and I shared a
Speaker 1: whole universe there.
Speaker 3: That's so wild.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a small world, it really is.
Speaker 1: It's so cool. We just keep finding each other.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: This is from Kim.
Speaker 4: She says, I was wondering if the location of the
Speaker 4: River Court had already had a basketball court or if
Speaker 4: production created the court.
Speaker 3: Is it still there or when was it taken down? Oh,
Speaker 3: this is a.
Speaker 6: I don't know. Actually, no, they built it.
Speaker 3: We built it.
Speaker 4: They had had lunch downtown. There's like a whole story
Speaker 4: about this. The producers had been on a scout and
Speaker 4: they had lunch downtown and they were like, what we
Speaker 4: want to do is be able to see this town.
Speaker 4: And so what we need is to find a basketball
Speaker 4: court over there. And they were doing a scout over there,
Speaker 4: They're like, we need to find a place here that
Speaker 4: can look back in that direction.
Speaker 3: And then somebody had the bright idea like it's just asphalt,
Speaker 3: Like why aren't we just put it?
Speaker 1: But the whole story goes that Martin Lawrence was shooting
Speaker 1: a movie in Wilmington and base camp was in that empty.
Speaker 3: Is that where it was, yes, by.
Speaker 1: The battleship, and Martin Lawrence on this big budget movie
Speaker 1: was like, I need a basketball court outside my trailer
Speaker 1: so I can lak out, and they pulled the basketball
Speaker 1: court for him.
Speaker 3: Wait is that real?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's real or an urban legend,
Speaker 1: but until today, this moment is real. I have always
Speaker 1: thought we were playing basketball on a court that was
Speaker 1: poured for Martin Lawrence before we ever got there, and
Speaker 1: they were like, actually, there's there's this random assphalt like
Speaker 1: by the river there we need to used to be
Speaker 1: a movie base camp.
Speaker 3: Doesn't any I know Martin Lawrence? Does anyone know anyone?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, there's good enough.
Speaker 4: Somebody knows the right answer to this, because I remember
Speaker 4: hearing stories about that Martin Lawrence movie because they had
Speaker 4: just they had wrapped not long before we started, and
Speaker 4: that was like a.
Speaker 3: Big deal Black Night, Black Knight. Yeah, it was the
Speaker 3: medieval one. Yes. I want to be powerful enough just
Speaker 3: to be like, build me a basketball court, make me that.
Speaker 1: To be like, you know what, we're working sixteen hours
Speaker 1: a day and I need to sweat, So me and
Speaker 1: the care we're going to play basketball at lunch for
Speaker 1: it's great.
Speaker 3: Or a spa or make a spa.
Speaker 1: I would like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a spa trailer please.
Speaker 1: Right, the girls have different ideas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been pulled up though, right. We had to
Speaker 4: pull it up after our show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they broke it up well.
Speaker 1: Because the land was sold and so then it was
Speaker 1: dug up. And there was actually a big thing where
Speaker 1: you could contribute to like a Wilmington Public Parks project
Speaker 1: or something and buy a piece of the river court.
Speaker 1: And I did because I was like I want a
Speaker 1: piece of it, and I never got it. I got
Speaker 1: an email being like, we're so sorry. The site like
Speaker 1: got overloaded and many more pieces of this asphalt than
Speaker 1: were possible to have.
Speaker 3: We're so and.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you don't want, you know, to reneg your donation
Speaker 1: to the city. And I was like, whatever, you can
Speaker 1: keep my money, but I really wanted my piece of assphalt.
Speaker 3: Give me my rock. Was it Sofia?
Speaker 5: Was it like a form letter that went out to
Speaker 5: all them things like if they didn't know who they
Speaker 5: were talking to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like an auto reply.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, dear customer, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Like I don't I don't mean to ask for special treatment,
Speaker 6: but ca can.
Speaker 1: I have I do have a personal attachment to a court,
Speaker 1: but I do believe aren't there condos there now?
Speaker 4: No, they're trying to build there, and it's it's super
Speaker 4: problematic because there's indigenously that's there, and there is historically
Speaker 4: black owned lands that's there, and so development on that
Speaker 4: side of the river is super problematic. So I know
Speaker 4: that there's some advocacy groups that are trying to keep
Speaker 4: building from happening there. So if you're a one Tree
Speaker 4: Hill fan and you also want to get involved with
Speaker 4: some advocacy, look up those groups because I'm sure they
Speaker 4: would love your help in trying to preserve the space
Speaker 4: that was the River Court.
Speaker 3: It is a special little chunkle property.
Speaker 1: Give the land back to the people who are supposed
Speaker 1: to own it and let them decide.
Speaker 3: No, oh, somebody else.
Speaker 1: Just a little piece of app okay land I have
Speaker 1: no claim to.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I just wanted it was like a four x four
Speaker 1: little square. Yeah, I'm sad I didn't get one, but
Speaker 1: it's okay. I love the city of Wilmington anyway.
Speaker 3: I got a piece of the Berlin Wall. You got
Speaker 3: your stands. Don't even know and literally I'm not joking.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that to Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was nineteen eighty seven or eight or I think
Speaker 5: seven in November and we went there and we chipped
Speaker 5: the wall.
Speaker 7: So just for those who don't, to the fan, two
Speaker 7: people your age know that there.
Speaker 3: Was a wall. Oh my god, I remember that like
Speaker 3: it was yesterday. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the East and West Berlin were totally different.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me that story early into us,
Speaker 1: hanging out on set, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the coolest person I've ever met. And you talked to
Speaker 1: me about how is the holes were getting chipped. There
Speaker 1: was a soldier on the other side and he waved
Speaker 1: at you. Oh, and I don't remember if you told
Speaker 1: me that you realized he was a soldier because you
Speaker 1: saw his medals, or if he handed one to you.
Speaker 3: So he had a pin right here. He was all
Speaker 3: in green khaki green, And did he give it to you? Yes?
Speaker 3: I know it. Yes, I can't believe this came up
Speaker 3: with us. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Daphnie, that affected me so much much.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, so are you You're on East Berlin,
Speaker 5: he said, And I said so. But the wall is down.
Speaker 5: So do you need that pen? And he said no,
Speaker 5: and I said, can I have it? I still have it,
Speaker 5: soup and ear. Well, he just took it off and
Speaker 5: he went like this through the wall and see.
Speaker 6: You'll unless you ask for what you want, yeah, you
Speaker 6: may never get it.
Speaker 3: There's the lesson, ask for what you want.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is why I'm pushing you to go
Speaker 5: get your piece of Ass's.
Speaker 1: Fault, like, you better call up that city comptroller.
Speaker 3: You guys, what's our honorable mention?
Speaker 1: Daphne?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Daphne, you stole the show. Obviously still the show.
Speaker 3: Those outfits, the.
Speaker 1: Hair, those outfits in those one liners.
Speaker 3: Oh do we even talk about there?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: I have a silly fashion question.
Speaker 7: By the way, I loved her hair like it was
Speaker 7: like helmet hair like soap.
Speaker 3: Didn't move and I loved it.
Speaker 7: You know, all of it was great, the outfits.
Speaker 5: But that T shirt that Nathan was wearing, what's the
Speaker 5: backwards nineteen?
Speaker 7: It said nineteen but it was reversed.
Speaker 3: You guys didn't see this. You're so happy.
Speaker 4: I clocked it too, And I was like they bought
Speaker 4: that at the mall, Like someone went to the mall
Speaker 4: and bought.
Speaker 3: For sure the fans were gonna say.
Speaker 5: Dust like a big band or something, so it was
Speaker 5: just hold maybe wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, if you guys know out there, somebody tell.
Speaker 7: Us nineteen It was backwards.
Speaker 3: It was so weird it looked like the shirt was
Speaker 3: inside out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't care about Nathan's hot topic shirt. I care
Speaker 1: about Victoria's saint John Kashmir.
Speaker 3: Hello you die.
Speaker 1: This is the season of the women, and Victoria is
Speaker 1: leveling us all up.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, major honorable mention.
Speaker 3: All right, let's been a wheel, Daphne. We're doing most
Speaker 3: likely too.
Speaker 4: So did you have superlatives at your school that had
Speaker 4: twelve kids in it?
Speaker 3: And Vermont?
Speaker 4: Did I like, most likely to succeed?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's looking at all that. What did you win?
Speaker 3: Do you want me to brag?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, and yet cutest, most likely to most talented,
Speaker 5: most likely to I think mine was actually most likely
Speaker 5: to go to Broadway instead of Hollywood.
Speaker 3: And there's time.
Speaker 1: You have so much time.
Speaker 6: I think you're going to win this one too. Somebody
Speaker 6: read it out.
Speaker 1: Guys, our wheel landed on most likely to host SNL.
Speaker 6: That's so, Daphne, Yeah, totally you daf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, daph you would kill.
Speaker 1: The Melrose Place skits, the Spaceball skits, like the list
Speaker 1: goes on. You'd have so many classic iconic films and
Speaker 1: TV shows to spoof.
Speaker 3: Wait have you hosted?
Speaker 7: I didn't from Melrose Heather did it, and Laura did it.
Speaker 5: But I have to say I was pretty honored when
Speaker 5: they when I was portrayed on SNL as Joe in
Speaker 5: Melur's Place.
Speaker 7: I forget who did it, but they were like all
Speaker 7: in black and just like just.
Speaker 3: Laid that on and like.
Speaker 5: Picked a bad boyfriend. I mean, because that's what my
Speaker 5: part really was. Basically, did SNL ever spoof One Tree Hill?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They made fun of Chat a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, so in real life, Daphne would host Saturday
Speaker 4: Night Live?
Speaker 3: Who? Yes, Well, what character on the show is most.
Speaker 4: Likely to host Saturday Night Live? Book Davis, She's the
Speaker 4: most famous?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Brooke or Mouth, I mean Mouth if he becomes
Speaker 6: a bigger TV personality and like he's a sportscaster and
Speaker 6: then he's on the news and then I don't know.
Speaker 1: Would Mouth have become the actual TAO.
Speaker 3: Or Chris Keller could have hosted SNL. I feel like
Speaker 3: Chris Keller could have kept going the musical act that
Speaker 3: like wicks up and is like I'm out of here.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what.
Speaker 1: If because it would have been so humiliating for her.
Speaker 1: If we go with Hillary's idea and Brook hosts SL
Speaker 1: in the book Chris Keller.
Speaker 6: Musical act, I'm in for that episode. I want to
Speaker 6: see it that.
Speaker 1: We should have done that on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been fun.
Speaker 1: Like Victoria should have gotten Brooke on SNL. Chris Keller
Speaker 1: could have been booked and just opened the door to
Speaker 1: his dressing room and his elvis out going.
Speaker 3: Well we oh it's so cringey, cringey but funny.
Speaker 6: I love it. Oh, it's been so great having you, Daphne.
Speaker 6: Thank you for joining us for this afternoon.
Speaker 3: You guys, this is so fun. Next episode you've already watched.
Speaker 3: Are we going to be happy next week? It's all good,
Speaker 3: it's all good.
Speaker 5: Come on, you're either just take drink your white wine, spritzer, podcorn.
Speaker 3: Don't take it so seriously. It's so much fun. Don't
Speaker 3: take it so seriously.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fun to cringe too. You guys like the
Speaker 5: cringe every now and then, which is good. So there's
Speaker 5: some Yeah, good, especially with the nanny Carey Steph, Miss Haley.
Speaker 3: Can't wait, I can't wait. I'm so excited. All right,
Speaker 3: what do we got next week?
Speaker 1: All right, friends, next week we have season five, Episode five.
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