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Speaker 2: So today on climax and cry, let's discuss.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: How did you climax? How did you cry this week? Mother?
Speaker 1: So, I would say a fabulous climax that I had
Speaker 1: this week that we actually enjoyed together. Yes, we climax
Speaker 1: at the same time. Maybe it was a really great
Speaker 1: meeting that we had in West Hollywood. And we used
Speaker 1: to take meetings in Weiho all the time. We were
Speaker 1: always in West Hollywood taking a meeting. It's much to
Speaker 1: ourtis may, yes, but always sitting down for a coffee
Speaker 1: for a drink, for a lunch to talk business because
Speaker 1: we're business ladies, and yesterday was no exception. And I
Speaker 1: just feel really invigorated and inspired and motivated. And the
Speaker 1: person that we were sitting down with gave us, I think,
Speaker 1: some really cool ideas that had never crossed my mind before.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's nice when you meet someone who is like,
Speaker 2: you know, willing to have coffee with you, willing to
Speaker 2: kind of like give you advice, give you some type
Speaker 2: of mentorship, you know, and like we do not take
Speaker 2: that for granted. We have been like mentored and guided
Speaker 2: over the years by a lot of incredible people. So
Speaker 2: I think that's why it was also really exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, just more more to come, more to come,
Speaker 1: always more from us. And I don't know, I feel
Speaker 1: like a new sense of inspiration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we are reaching almost a decade wow,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's yeah, it's time. It's time. We
Speaker 2: there's things that we have been wanting to put that
Speaker 2: have been in the works and we've been wanting to
Speaker 2: put in motion for a long time, and it feels
Speaker 2: like this is the year. Yeah, we're really setting our
Speaker 2: sits on lots of things. So yeah, that's exciting. Well
Speaker 2: I'm glad you climaxed in that way.
Speaker 1: Thank you at the Little Sidewalk Cafe, How did you
Speaker 1: cry this week?
Speaker 2: How did I greet you cry?
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's just the end of the semester.
Speaker 1: So we're like in finals and there's just like final
Speaker 1: producing work that has to be done on the documentary
Speaker 1: that I worked on this semester. We have our screening
Speaker 1: coming up. I'm writing a research paper and you know,
Speaker 1: in film school there's really very little reading and writing.
Speaker 1: There's lots of storyboarding and shot listing, but reading and
Speaker 1: writing is rare. So I'm buckling down and I'm just
Speaker 1: in my research phase and I got to write my
Speaker 1: three thousand pa word, not page, my three thousand word
Speaker 1: paper and it's ultimately going to be great, and I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about the subject matter. Maybe I'll share more
Speaker 1: in a future episode when I'm done with the paper.
Speaker 1: But that's my cry right now, is I'm in finals.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's real.
Speaker 1: How about you? What was your climax this week?
Speaker 2: Well, my climax is that we actually have a new
Speaker 2: team member. Yes we do, so I have kind of
Speaker 2: kind of been teasing this out. I've been talking about
Speaker 2: my homegirl a little bit more of been name dropping her,
Speaker 2: if you will. So Jackie is now our operations assistant, yes,
Speaker 2: and it has also been helping us with social So
Speaker 2: if you follow us on social media, you may have
Speaker 2: noticed we're back. We have been posting a lot more.
Speaker 2: She has been posting a lot more. She has just
Speaker 2: been helping us content batch and really is kind of
Speaker 2: is like our second brain right now, our third brain,
Speaker 2: if you will, And that has been really exciting. She
Speaker 2: and I have been friends for over twenty years and
Speaker 2: we've never worked together under this capacity for the business
Speaker 2: for Locatra, so this has been really exciting. And she
Speaker 2: is just she is a business girl.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: She is a business lady like in ways that we
Speaker 2: are not, because we're creative's first, business lady second. But
Speaker 2: she's like, no, I'm a business lady. I'm a businesswoman,
Speaker 2: and she gets things done. So it's nice to have
Speaker 2: that kind of objective person come in and see maybe
Speaker 2: spots that maybe need to be filled, but also really
Speaker 2: acknowledge like what we've been able to do just us too,
Speaker 2: at least on the business side of things, so that
Speaker 2: I think has been like a really big so some
Speaker 2: climaxing for me this week.
Speaker 1: I am so happy to hear that. I'm also very
Speaker 1: happy about Jackie. Yeah, Jackie's that also. I think she's
Speaker 1: giving us like a blood transfusion. Yes, in a way.
Speaker 2: I told her I was a girl. You've kind of
Speaker 2: been a life raft. I'm not gonna lie, like, you know,
Speaker 2: not that we've been drowning per se. But it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, going back to what we were talking about
Speaker 2: during your climax, right, it's like there's things that we
Speaker 2: want to do, but there's only two of us, you know,
Speaker 2: and like we need a third person to kind of
Speaker 2: help with like the business side of things. We have
Speaker 2: Stephanie for the audio specifically and producing, but to have
Speaker 2: someone on like operations really help us grow, I think
Speaker 2: is really exciting.
Speaker 1: It's true to grow. You got to grow, Yes, So
Speaker 1: we got to grow the team to grow the project.
Speaker 1: And we look at some of the the other podcasts
Speaker 1: out there, they have a team of twenty people, yeah,
Speaker 1: working on the one show, and we've just been like
Speaker 1: plugging away, yeah, with our little tiny team, but we're
Speaker 1: still here even mighty mighty that's us so that's good.
Speaker 1: And how about your cry?
Speaker 2: Well, I cry a lot. And one way that I've
Speaker 2: cried this week is that I talk about this all
Speaker 2: the time, y'all, but I just cannot sit down and write.
Speaker 2: This has been my constant struggle for years. But I've
Speaker 2: started to unpack it in new ways because I have
Speaker 2: been undergoing a therapy assessment for us. Yes, I don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about it just yet. I will once
Speaker 2: I have more information, But basically, I've just I'm been
Speaker 2: starting to understand myself in a different way based on
Speaker 2: like how my brain I literally operates, and so that
Speaker 2: has also given allowed me to give myself a lot
Speaker 2: more grace and more patience. Like it's not that you
Speaker 2: don't want to write, there's something deeper in there that
Speaker 2: is not allowing you to just sit down and do it.
Speaker 2: And I kind of have. I have to force myself
Speaker 2: in so many ways to just do something that I
Speaker 2: really love and that I want to do. And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: then why don't you just do it? Well? My brain
Speaker 2: is not letting me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's are you calling this writer's block
Speaker 1: or do you feel like it's something else?
Speaker 2: It's definitely something else because the block I do not have.
Speaker 2: The ideas are there, it's just the physical act of
Speaker 2: doing it, you know.
Speaker 1: The sitting down, opening up the computer.
Speaker 2: Yes, and so that has been making me cry this
Speaker 2: week because I just like want to write, I can't
Speaker 2: do it. I can't do it. And so yes, more
Speaker 2: to come, self exploring, examining that, turning that inside out,
Speaker 2: and we'll report back when I know more.
Speaker 1: And for our listeners, you tell us what is your
Speaker 1: climax of the week and what is your cry of
Speaker 1: the week. It could literally be an amazing orgasm that
Speaker 1: you had, tell us how you achieved it. Or it
Speaker 1: could be like a more metaphorical climax, something in your
Speaker 1: life that has just sent you over the moon, made
Speaker 1: you happy, or even just lifted your spirits a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then what made you cry? Is it the state
Speaker 1: of the world? Is it the Trump administration? Is it
Speaker 1: the coming Olympics la and the catastrophe that it's sure
Speaker 1: to be like? Is it our impending apocalypse? Is it
Speaker 1: a breakup?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: You tell us what's going on with you? And now
Speaker 1: let's transition into oye lokaz one of I mean I
Speaker 1: think consistently like one of my favorite segments because I
Speaker 1: love just hearing from the listeners, like what is on
Speaker 1: your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just know that if you've submitted a question
Speaker 2: and it hasn't been answered yet, it will be answered.
Speaker 2: And this question was submitted to us via our Instagram channel.
Speaker 1: You are now listening to.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, this is the question. I know we're not
Speaker 2: in our party era, but can a hobby night be
Speaker 2: in the works, like a paint and sip or candle making,
Speaker 2: just bonding and joy.
Speaker 1: I love that we do love hobbies. We do have
Speaker 1: our hobbies. Hobbies are very important. I think that they
Speaker 1: nourish the soul. And for our listeners who are in
Speaker 1: the Greater LA area, we will be hosting an event
Speaker 1: actually in June, and if your hobby is drinking, then
Speaker 1: you need to join us. More details to come. Everything
Speaker 1: is in the works, but we are getting back to
Speaker 1: in person events.
Speaker 2: Yes, expect events this summer. We will be outside. We
Speaker 2: are planning them. They are coming for our June event.
Speaker 2: It is like part and it's not Party Girl, but
Speaker 2: it's like it's like party Light. It's a gathering. We're gathering.
Speaker 2: We're gathering. There will be beverages, but it's not a party.
Speaker 2: You will be home by seven pm. Yeah, you'll be okay.
Speaker 2: It's more of a meetup, Yes, a gathering, A gathering,
Speaker 2: a social.
Speaker 1: A social. It's not quite a sore, but it's somewhere
Speaker 1: in between. Yeah, a mixer, mixer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just want to hang with y'all. It's been
Speaker 2: a minute, and so that's our focus for the summer,
Speaker 2: in addition to producing obviously the podcast, but also being
Speaker 2: outside and being with y'all and hanging out and just
Speaker 2: reconnecting because it's been some time.
Speaker 1: It has been some time. So if you're in interested,
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's get into today's subject matter.
Speaker 1: Ooh, this is a doozy this.
Speaker 2: You know, we have not really dedicated a full episode
Speaker 2: to Catholicism. We did talk about it a little bit
Speaker 2: during the launch of season nine, I believe when the
Speaker 2: Dodgers were honoring the Sister Nuns and there was like
Speaker 2: all that boycotting protest. So we did talk about the
Speaker 2: Catholic scent, but today we're talking about it in a
Speaker 2: different way, not necessarily in a positive way, but more
Speaker 2: so in a cultural way and the culture that we
Speaker 2: grew up in as Catholics.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you can't spell culture without the word cult.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Catholicism because for any Catholics out there,
Speaker 1: and I love this term, cradle Catholics, yes, meaning we
Speaker 1: were baptized as tiny babies. I wasn't even really sentient yet,
Speaker 1: you know, like I had no consciousness of myself as
Speaker 1: a being. I didn't know I had a name, I
Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening. But I was being baptized
Speaker 1: into the Catholic faith.
Speaker 2: Yes, you were being baptized because all babies are born
Speaker 2: with original sin.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was a very sinful baby.
Speaker 2: Because Jesus died for us and our original sin. So
Speaker 2: everyone is born with sin and we're baptized to absolve
Speaker 2: us of this original sin. But before we get into
Speaker 2: the nitty gritty, I want to set the scene for
Speaker 2: what's been happening culturally and all the chatter that's been
Speaker 2: happening online about the cradle Catholics versus I don't want
Speaker 2: to say versus, but it's like cradle Catholics and convert. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and this is like the conversation that's happening, and really
Speaker 2: what has sparked I think this conversation is the man jd. Vance.
Speaker 1: Yes. And also this on the heels of the death
Speaker 1: of Pope Francis.
Speaker 2: Yes, rip, and it even I mean it predates his death, right,
Speaker 2: So just like, let's kind of I said, don't want
Speaker 2: a wuman of what's been going on. So jd. Vance
Speaker 2: the man that he is, in case you're not familiar,
Speaker 2: he is our current vice president. He's a Catholic convert.
Speaker 2: He became Catholic I think in like twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: or twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so strange, strange. I'm sorry, it's strange.
Speaker 2: So Vance. Jd. Vance started this fight basically with the
Speaker 2: Pope and with the broader Catholics because in an interview
Speaker 2: he was basically criticizing US bishops who were resisting ice raids.
Speaker 2: As we all know, churches have historically been sanctuary places.
Speaker 2: So he has. He was criticizing US bishops for resisting
Speaker 2: ice raids on Catholic churches and schools and basically called
Speaker 2: upon this concept, this early church concept called urdo amoris,
Speaker 2: which is in Latin rightly ordered love. And well, what
Speaker 2: did Pope Francis do when he was still alive? He
Speaker 2: responded to JD. Vance and he also wrote an open
Speaker 2: letter to US bishops and asked them to continue to
Speaker 2: support migrants refugees despite the call for mass deportations. And
Speaker 2: he in his letter he even referred like I said
Speaker 2: to ordo amooris and corrects JD. Evans and says, Christian
Speaker 2: love is not a concentric expansion of interest the little
Speaker 2: by little extent to other persons and group. The true
Speaker 2: amoris that must be promoted is that which we discover
Speaker 2: by meditating constantly on the parable of the good Samaritan,
Speaker 2: that is, by meditating on the love that builds a
Speaker 2: fraternity open to all without exception. Basically, be a good person,
Speaker 2: help your fellow neighbor out is what he's saying. And
Speaker 2: worrying about personal community or national identity apart from these
Speaker 2: considerations easily introduces an ideological criterion that distored social life
Speaker 2: and imposes the will of the strongest as the criterion
Speaker 2: of the truth. Basically, Pope Francis versus jade Evans, that's
Speaker 2: what was happening.
Speaker 1: Wow, what a title fight.
Speaker 2: And as a Catholic listen, the Pope is close to God,
Speaker 2: next to God like basically, and the way we look
Speaker 2: at things, it's like priest, deacons, bishops, cardinals, Pope like
Speaker 2: that is the highest ranking.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know.
Speaker 2: And so to piss off Pope Francis to be publicly
Speaker 2: called called out and told like, actually, you're interpreting that
Speaker 2: teaching wrong. Hello, Yes, that would scare me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. How would I say in Spanish? Yes,
Speaker 1: jd Vance.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a scolding, it was a school was
Speaker 2: a scolding.
Speaker 1: It was a exactly. But this is my thing too
Speaker 1: about some of the Catholic converts. No offense, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying there's this weird like like when people convert into
Speaker 1: Catholicism as adults, there's this weird like ultra conservative opus
Speaker 1: day Old Testament.
Speaker 2: Thing, traditionalist.
Speaker 1: Yes, so odd. Yes, it's so strange in us that
Speaker 1: we're born into it. We went to Catholic school by
Speaker 1: the time where adults were like yes, okay, like relax
Speaker 1: everybody please, And I.
Speaker 2: Think that's that's part of the conversation as to like, well,
Speaker 2: that's what Jadvance is missing, and you know, rest in peace.
Speaker 2: Pope Francis died on April twenty. First, I want to add, though,
Speaker 2: I want to note that on Easter Sunday, the day
Speaker 2: before he died, Jadvance met with Pope Francis for about
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes and Pope Francis allegedly said that he prays
Speaker 2: for him every day and said God bless you and
Speaker 2: sent him with a blessing. The next day, Pope Francis died.
Speaker 2: Now JD.
Speaker 1: Vans killed Pope Francis.
Speaker 2: That's what the internet streets are saying. Me as a
Speaker 2: cradle Catholic, as a recovering Catholic, if I met with
Speaker 2: the Pope and he told me I'm praying for you,
Speaker 2: because he did not say, oh, i'm praying for you,
Speaker 2: you know that there was a connotation with I'm praying
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: I'm praying for your your your soul that is bound
Speaker 1: for eternal damnation.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what he met. I would not be okay,
Speaker 2: I would think I killed the pope absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean the order of events, the sequence of events. Yeah,
Speaker 1: has met a lot of people, Yes, a lot of people.
Speaker 1: He's been to a lot of places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and Pope Francis, you know, as folks
Speaker 2: may or may not know, he has been viewed as
Speaker 2: the more progressive pope. He's the first from Latin America,
Speaker 2: from Atrigentina. He was a Jesuit scholar, and this is
Speaker 2: important because Jesuits are the scholarly like Catholics, and they
Speaker 2: live their life and their their theology is like to
Speaker 2: live as close as possible as Jesus. He took about poverty.
Speaker 2: He was constantly calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, and
Speaker 2: he called to protect the most vulnerable. And so there's
Speaker 2: like a collective morning. I feel that's happening right now
Speaker 2: with the passing of Pope Francis. And I think that
Speaker 2: that's also why even like the recovering Catholics that no
Speaker 2: longer practicing Catholics are kind of coming out to be like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is not how we do things. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: we do not proselytize.
Speaker 1: We don't that's not our thing.
Speaker 2: We're not traditionalists, no, no, because we've been hearing about
Speaker 2: it for so long.
Speaker 1: For so long, and we've we've read the Bible, we've
Speaker 1: studied the Bible, We've done the Catechism and Confirmation. And
Speaker 1: I think that within Catholic communities and within the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: and this is going to vary church by church, right like,
Speaker 1: but I think that there is a healthy amount of dialogue,
Speaker 1: there's a healthy amount of debate. I don't think that
Speaker 1: it's such a severe, hardline religion, maybe that like it
Speaker 1: once was, or like it appears to be. And Pope
Speaker 1: Francis is somebody who I was watching on ABC. They
Speaker 1: were doing this whole piece, this whole special on Pope
Speaker 1: Francis and his travels and the conversations that he had
Speaker 1: with people from all over the world, and conversations about
Speaker 1: how Pope Francis made it possible for trans people to
Speaker 1: be god parents in the Catholic Church, and a conversation
Speaker 1: that he had with young women about like masturbation, and
Speaker 1: Pope Francis talking about how our catechism has not always
Speaker 1: been the most mature catechism. And so I think that
Speaker 1: instead of being like a defense guarded pope who's like gatekeeping,
Speaker 1: you know, the religion. He I think was really open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and aware, instead of being so insular, instead of
Speaker 2: keeping people out of the church, we're bringing people in.
Speaker 2: And I think that that is why. That's what he
Speaker 2: was doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what he was doing. And so
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, I hope that our next pope, you know,
Speaker 1: is like carrying on that spirit and that tradition, you know.
Speaker 1: I hope that the new pope doesn't reflect our presidential
Speaker 1: administration and those values.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope that the pope continues to be like somebody
Speaker 1: who is supposed to be like a light, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and not an oppressive force.
Speaker 2: Right. And when this episode drops is actually the day
Speaker 2: that the conclave starts.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, yes. And the conclave what a mysterious what
Speaker 1: a mysterious process.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows. I mean, there is a fil home now
Speaker 2: about what we assume happens during a conclave, but it's
Speaker 2: very like hush hush, nobody knows, closed doors, nobody's allowed
Speaker 2: to leave during the conclave, so it's very secretive, right,
Speaker 2: nobody knows.
Speaker 1: Right, it sounds like like what it must be like
Speaker 1: partying with Beyonce.
Speaker 2: NDAs everywhere.
Speaker 1: NDA's everywhere, only the very select few are invited or
Speaker 1: know it's going on. It's like the same.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right. I think that's a good comparison.
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, Locomotives.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of
Speaker 3: our episode.
Speaker 2: Going back to the cradle. Catholic being raised, being raised Catholic. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think I wanted us to kind of sit in
Speaker 2: like how did this shape who we are as people?
Speaker 2: Both the positive and the negat Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 2: how did that shape who we are?
Speaker 1: You know, I have been reflecting so much on this
Speaker 1: recently because in the past year I've gone to in
Speaker 1: the past two years, I've gone to a lot of
Speaker 1: funerals and they have all been Catholic services, and for
Speaker 1: at least two of those deaths, we also hosted, you know,
Speaker 1: rosaries nolvanas, and to be able to gather in with
Speaker 1: your family, with your community and like basically like sit
Speaker 1: Shiva and pray the Rosary in Spanish. There is something
Speaker 1: really beautiful about it. There's a tradition there that feels
Speaker 1: like we're all putting our minds and our hearts together
Speaker 1: and we're like basically in this process of group incantation
Speaker 1: and praying over and over and over again to send
Speaker 1: our loved one off with the strongest possible prayers that
Speaker 1: we could muster. And it's just something that I was
Speaker 1: grateful to be able to participate in, to know the prayers,
Speaker 1: to have experience praying the Rosary. It felt like kind
Speaker 1: of an honor and a privilege to be able to
Speaker 1: do that for loved ones who have passed. And then
Speaker 1: I think about even like Catholic funerals and being in
Speaker 1: the church and the whole thing. It just for someone
Speaker 1: that you love so much, it feels like the appropriate
Speaker 1: amount of pomp and circumstance. And I think for some
Speaker 1: things you want grandeur, you want pomp and circumstance, you
Speaker 1: want ceremony. You know, you want that process to allow
Speaker 1: you to grieve, like those physical manifestations. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: not something I appreciated when I was younger. I wasn't
Speaker 1: attending a ton of funerals when I was younger, But
Speaker 1: as we get older, people die, and to be able
Speaker 1: to have that kind of send off, I think is
Speaker 1: just so appropriate. You know, different cultures and different religions
Speaker 1: have their own way of doing things. I've never been
Speaker 1: to a funeral of another faiths as I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I have And I told you that I went to
Speaker 2: a funeral that was not Catholic, it was Christian, and
Speaker 2: I was really shocked by some of the things that
Speaker 2: I was hearing, and I like texted my like, okay,
Speaker 2: wait a second. Never did I think I'd be like,
Speaker 2: where's the Catholic funeral, Like where's the pomp and circumstance,
Speaker 2: where is the homily of the In this case, a
Speaker 2: priest talking about how wonderful this person was and how
Speaker 2: everyone was grieving right whereas I was hearing a lot
Speaker 2: of different things from this other leader, and it was
Speaker 2: shocking to me. And I didn't realize like, oh, I've
Speaker 2: only been to Catholic funerals or I've only been to
Speaker 2: Catholic masses, and I'm like, who am I to miss
Speaker 2: the Catholic Church? What the hell?
Speaker 1: I know? I know, sorry, but it's a tough thing
Speaker 1: that I also it comes with experience in age and charity.
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of like the case that like, wait,
Speaker 2: being Catholic is a culture even if you're not practicing anymore,
Speaker 2: because I don't know if you consider yourself practicing. I
Speaker 2: know you've been going to church a little more with
Speaker 2: your mom.
Speaker 1: I did, I see my mom still teaches at a
Speaker 1: Catholic school. Yeah, and so they are required to. I
Speaker 1: mean she would go anyway, she would go anyways. But
Speaker 1: when you are a student and a teacher at a
Speaker 1: Catholic school, there's an expectation that you're in church twice
Speaker 1: a week. Yep. Once at the school, yes, once in
Speaker 1: the middle of the week as part of.
Speaker 2: Your school day, and then Sunday Mass.
Speaker 1: And Sunday Mass. And it was Palm Sunday. You had
Speaker 1: to go to Palm Scars got to go to Palm Sunday.
Speaker 2: Any time you go to church, it's during Lent season. Yes,
Speaker 2: not us, but that that is what general.
Speaker 1: I think that's really the only time of year. Like
Speaker 1: if I'm really going to go to Mass. It's not Christmas.
Speaker 1: We've never been Christmas Mass people, but Palm Sunday, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's something.
Speaker 2: My dad is a a midnight Christmas Mass person. Not
Speaker 2: with me though, I don't go, but he would go.
Speaker 2: He would go. That was his thing. He would do it.
Speaker 2: But yes, growing up like Lent when we were going
Speaker 2: all the time, but like especially during Lent, that's like
Speaker 2: the time that.
Speaker 1: You go yeah, and you know, I going back, it
Speaker 1: does there is a it's like it's just a time
Speaker 1: to sit and reflect and like be quiet and listen
Speaker 1: and say some prayers. And I mean there's like nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with saying prayers, right. We need girl, we need prayer.
Speaker 2: We need so much prayer, so much per Yeah. I
Speaker 2: really struggle with that where it's like this need for
Speaker 2: there is a need for community, there's need for prayer,
Speaker 2: there's need for hope, especially right now. But then on
Speaker 2: the flip side, we have this like rise of Christian
Speaker 2: nationalism where I like don't really know how to hold
Speaker 2: space for both. Where I'm like, Okay, I'm seeing I'm
Speaker 2: seeing you know what I'm seeing. Get ready with me
Speaker 2: to go to church? Yes, get ready with me to
Speaker 2: go to Sunday Mass. They're not Catholic masses that I've seen,
Speaker 2: more so like Christian churches. And I've just kind of
Speaker 2: been noticing more and more. I don't have the numbers
Speaker 2: of statistics. Are people turning to Christianity in waves? I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I am seeing content wise like being
Speaker 2: made and when I see it come up on my algorithm.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how dare you?
Speaker 1: How dare what do you think?
Speaker 2: You're not interested scroll the algorithm?
Speaker 1: What is wrong with the algorithm?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But you know, so I am seeing more of that.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering do we just all grow up and
Speaker 2: go back to the church.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a thing. I think you also see
Speaker 1: that sort of arc of like uh ho phase, party
Speaker 1: girl phase and now I'm back in church.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. Don't be a fucking puritan. No, don't
Speaker 2: be proselytizing. Please, Lord, don't be telling me I can't
Speaker 2: be gay. Like, no, say your prayer, say your prayer,
Speaker 2: be a good person, and keep it moving, keep it moving.
Speaker 2: The same people that are saying their prayers as Sunday
Speaker 2: Mass are going to go out and be telling people
Speaker 2: to go back to their countries. Like it's that that
Speaker 2: is the pipeline that I'm like, hold up, is that
Speaker 2: what we're doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or are we going to church and we're listening to
Speaker 2: the homily and we're going to go and be good people?
Speaker 2: But actual good people? Because I think that's like that
Speaker 2: is what you learn in Catholic school what it means
Speaker 2: to be a good person, like what it means to
Speaker 2: this is all subjective, of course, but like learning right
Speaker 2: from wrong? What is a venial sin? What is a
Speaker 2: moral sin? What is the fable of the good Samaritan?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like mind you the Samaritans were so awful that
Speaker 1: one of them did a nice thing. Yes, it's like wow, finally, yes,
Speaker 1: yes one Okay, this is like, uh, triggering so many
Speaker 1: things in my brain. Yeah. Catholics, notably, we don't go out.
Speaker 1: We're not preach. We're not a preaching religion.
Speaker 2: We're not standing on the side like handing out pamphlets.
Speaker 2: M and I say we not. We but the Catholic Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we're not. We're not. We're not.
Speaker 1: We're not.
Speaker 2: We're not Catholics are compared to the Catholics or us,
Speaker 2: We're not.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Okay, on campus at USC twice, now.
Speaker 2: Right, you did share this.
Speaker 1: I have had two separate experiences and it was so
Speaker 1: sneaky and underhanded, and I did not like this. I
Speaker 1: was at Trader Joe's at the USC village and a Latina,
Speaker 1: like a young woman approaches me out of nowhere. I
Speaker 1: didn't even see her coming. I'm like looking, I'm in
Speaker 1: the meat section. I'm looking at proteins and she's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love your earrings, and of course
Speaker 1: me a compliment, you know, now I'm your best friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thriving.
Speaker 1: I'm thriving, like, oh my god, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And then she's like where did you get them? I
Speaker 1: don't remember. And then she's like, oh, I host a
Speaker 1: prayer group. Do you want to attend? Do you want
Speaker 1: to come with me? No? No, thank you? And I
Speaker 1: told her, no, thank you. I'm a Catholic, and so
Speaker 1: I think she was probably be praying for my soul
Speaker 1: after that. And a second time, I'm on campus proper,
Speaker 1: the actual campus, like behind the gates, and two like
Speaker 1: young white women, Oh my god, I love your sunglasses.
Speaker 1: Where did you get them? There you go, oh, we're
Speaker 1: hosting a prayer group. Do you want to come with us? No,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to your prayer group. Like
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. And there was something about it
Speaker 1: being students, or at least I think they're students, or
Speaker 1: maybe they're not.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not.
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are. But there was something
Speaker 1: about the like, oh, this is a strategy that they've
Speaker 1: been taught and coached and instructed, go out compliment someone
Speaker 1: someone who looks vain, someone who looks like they love,
Speaker 1: someone who needs, someone who needs the Lord, and try
Speaker 1: and get them to come to prayer group. Is just
Speaker 1: so far out of like what I know. And I'm
Speaker 1: just like, don't try and recruit me right now, like
Speaker 1: with these like really weird underhanded tactics. It was so
Speaker 1: off putting and I did not like it, but you
Speaker 1: just reminded me. I once attended a mega church Easter
Speaker 1: Sunday when I was studying abroad in London. Okay, because
Speaker 1: I was there junior year. I was in London at
Speaker 1: University College London UCL for two semesters, so my entire
Speaker 1: junior year. So Easter Sunday. I had some friends there
Speaker 1: who were well, at least one tough student who was
Speaker 1: is a Christian, and so she invited a bunch of
Speaker 1: us like, oh, do you want to come to Sunday
Speaker 1: Mass with me for Easter Sunday. I've been going to
Speaker 1: this church here in London, so I'm like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I'm down to experience anything, you know, like at once
Speaker 1: at least, so I went, and it was a straight
Speaker 1: up mega church. It felt like a big concert, like
Speaker 1: a you know, like at any of our at Sofi Stadium,
Speaker 1: like it was. It was huge, and it was like
Speaker 1: fog machines and laser and like a full band and
Speaker 1: like lots of music, really loud, like there's people speaking
Speaker 1: in tongues and they're hopping up and down and it
Speaker 1: was wild. And you know, we're very Catholics, are very demure.
Speaker 2: Very demure. We have our songs are hymns, our hymns,
Speaker 2: and that's that's it, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a piano and there's a children's choir, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, but other than that, maybe some Gregorian chant, yes,
Speaker 1: But we're sitting, we're quiet. We wait until like we're
Speaker 1: instructed and invited to like repeat prayers or to sing
Speaker 1: along in the hymnal. So that's what I'm used to. Like.
Speaker 1: Catholic services are so quiet. They are.
Speaker 2: They are quiet, and you even like develop like your
Speaker 2: little favorite.
Speaker 1: Hymns, Yes you do.
Speaker 2: My mom has one she has on eagles wing.
Speaker 1: That's a really good one. I love on eagles wigs.
Speaker 2: She has instructed that to be played at her funeral. Now,
Speaker 2: that's one of her favorite hymns.
Speaker 4: Honey, the big cute shine like sun.
Speaker 2: And on TikTok. I saw this cradle Catholic if you will,
Speaker 2: But it was this man replying to this comment where
Speaker 2: this I guess convert Catholic didn't know the song and
Speaker 2: they're like, you don't know this song, this hymn.
Speaker 1: It's a banger.
Speaker 2: It is it really is a banger banger. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: we do things we I guess we am including myself
Speaker 2: in this. We do baptized, we are unbaptized baptized. I
Speaker 2: was never confirmed, as I've shared my story of confirmation,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I was never really confirmed.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was still blessed.
Speaker 1: That was your active resistance. It was my actor and
Speaker 1: I respect it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. Your story about the Christians trying
Speaker 2: to bring you to church or bring you to their
Speaker 2: study group reminded me of this. My sophomore year of
Speaker 2: undergrad at UC Santa Barbara, I lived with three women,
Speaker 2: two of them were practicing Christian. When I had my
Speaker 2: little interview with them to be their roommate, we were
Speaker 2: just talking about interests. I don't remember exactly what was said,
Speaker 2: but I was like, well I do have a girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Because I was like I'm not about to live with
Speaker 2: homophobic Christians. They were so fucking cool. They were so nice,
Speaker 2: not homophobic, like not like how we imagine Christians to
Speaker 2: be now or even then. And they were really cool
Speaker 2: and they like would have their people over and they
Speaker 2: would do their Bible study. But they never tried to
Speaker 2: like bring me in. They were never trying to like
Speaker 2: recruit me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They would introduce me to their friends when they would
Speaker 2: come around, and they would have their stuff, and they
Speaker 2: would invite me to things, but they were never trying
Speaker 2: to recruit me. They were like, well I was so
Speaker 2: they were like no, but useless. But they never like
Speaker 2: made me feel like I was unwelcome or like, you know,
Speaker 2: even when my girlfriend would spend the night, they were
Speaker 2: never weird, you know, So it was it was fine.
Speaker 1: That's good. And I'm sure that like most Christians are
Speaker 1: probably like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would hope, but girl, I don't know anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't know anymore.
Speaker 1: It's severe out there.
Speaker 2: It's really severe where like moving far further right collectively
Speaker 2: policy wise, yep, you know. And I do feel like
Speaker 2: it's up to these like religious leaders to not move
Speaker 2: their congregations, their churches their their masses, yeah to the right,
Speaker 2: you know, And so that is why I think like
Speaker 2: someone like Pope Francis was really important and it was
Speaker 2: like kind of keeping keeping things in line in that way.
Speaker 2: And again it is church by church is absolutely church
Speaker 2: by church.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: This is not to say all Catholic churches are progressive.
Speaker 2: We know that it's not true.
Speaker 1: A church can change. Yes, So the Catholic school that
Speaker 1: I went to in Alhambra, after me and my friends
Speaker 1: in our little like generation graduated and moved on, since then,
Speaker 1: the school has like literally I've used the term Opus
Speaker 1: Day before, but they are like literally an Opus day
Speaker 1: campus now and after a while, like they required head
Speaker 1: coverings in Mass for women, and they've done a lot
Speaker 1: of other things at the school, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: that they have singing anymore. I think that they've implemented
Speaker 1: a lot of Latin, like they've really become it's I
Speaker 1: don't remember that it's like Vatican one Vatican two, you know,
Speaker 1: the different eras and the way that the Mass is
Speaker 1: conducted and the language that it's spoken in. They've sort
Speaker 1: of reverted back, and it's been a very intentional move
Speaker 1: based on church leadership and that that little community was
Speaker 1: never like that. Like it was a very fun little
Speaker 1: school to go to. We had a g eight time.
Speaker 1: The priests were like very kind. It was like a
Speaker 1: very like kind hearted, like open place in a way
Speaker 1: like I just have such positive memories of Catholic school.
Speaker 1: It was never like I mean, you know, there's there
Speaker 1: was things here and there with gender and of course
Speaker 1: like about like abstinence and the human sexuality stuff was
Speaker 1: really not on point. But it's not on point in
Speaker 1: public schools either. I mean, let's be so for real,
Speaker 1: like our sex education across the board is abysmal. It's
Speaker 1: not only the religious institutions, but it was kind of
Speaker 1: like like a little bit of like a paradise for
Speaker 1: us as kids. You know, I just have a lot
Speaker 1: of positive memories, and the church has changed a lot,
Speaker 1: and so like I have to imagine that also has
Speaker 1: an impact on the student body. Apparently they don't have
Speaker 1: a computer class or computer labs anymore. Oh wow, like
Speaker 1: they've really like yes, buckled down in an unfortunate way.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's very much church by church, and a
Speaker 1: church based on leadership can change and the whole congregation
Speaker 1: will go with the change or leave. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and there are people who have left. I mean we
Speaker 1: left right right, other drama on the other very unfortunate
Speaker 1: side of Catholicism, because we're also not going to sit.
Speaker 1: We've criticized Catholicism for ten much. Yeah, on the show.
Speaker 1: On the show, go back and listen privately. In Downey.
Speaker 2: Yes, the school that I went to obviously was attached
Speaker 2: to a church in Downey. Our Lady of Perpetual Help
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm talking about this.
Speaker 1: I'm screaming.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you know, this was a school that I
Speaker 2: went to that definitely had its issues. I felt very
Speaker 2: more like peace safe haven in my Catholic high school.
Speaker 2: But the school that I went to, and then the
Speaker 2: in turn, the church that I grew up going to,
Speaker 2: recently made headlines because a newer priest, Ariaga Pedrosa, was
Speaker 2: charged with one felony count of assault with intent to
Speaker 2: commit loot acts upon a child and I fell an
Speaker 2: accounts of lude acts upon a child aged fourteen or fifteen.
Speaker 2: And he was a priest at my church, at the
Speaker 2: church that I grew up going to. Right, I'm no
Speaker 2: longer an active member of that church, but that was
Speaker 2: a church that I grew up going to and it
Speaker 2: made local headlines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw the headlines, I saw the news.
Speaker 2: Yes, I learned to be a good person through the
Speaker 2: teachings of Catholic school. Yes, But this is the same
Speaker 2: church that hosts like anti choice protests outside of a
Speaker 2: clinic in Downey. I've like run by it, these active
Speaker 2: protests and I'm like, get the fuck out of my way,
Speaker 2: and so like this, this is the same congregation. So
Speaker 2: if you can kind of get a hint as to
Speaker 2: the type of leadership that is there and the type
Speaker 2: of things that are encouraged, you know, at this church,
Speaker 2: at this congregation, which is why I'm no longer one
Speaker 2: of the reasons I'm no longer a member or practicing,
Speaker 2: but I mean, yeah, it is the type of leadership
Speaker 2: that is involved and what can really make break your experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that for the most part, like
Speaker 1: Catholics are pretty obedient, Yeah, especially if they.
Speaker 2: Are We're taught to be obedient.
Speaker 1: It's part of it.
Speaker 2: It's part of it.
Speaker 1: You can't spell culture without cult.
Speaker 2: I mean we're taught to be obedient and used to
Speaker 2: be hit you know, not us, but like you know,
Speaker 2: that is like part of the Catholic school experience if
Speaker 2: you went to school back in the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have to fall in line, and you
Speaker 1: have to follow the rules, and you have to obey,
Speaker 1: and that's part of I think Catholics take pride. Devout
Speaker 1: Catholics take pride in like following the rules, yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and doing what a good Catholic would do. If your pastor,
Speaker 1: the head priest who's like in charge of all the
Speaker 1: priests and the spiritual life of the church, if you're
Speaker 1: a devout Catholic, you're gonna listen to what the pastor says. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna follow suit, because that's the whole deal. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the participation. And if you don't agree,
Speaker 1: it's like, well you got to leave the church and
Speaker 1: find a new one.
Speaker 2: Yes, And this is why the Pope Francis is of
Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, Archbishop Romero, yes, right, who's a saint?
Speaker 2: Who is a saint? Right? That is why, like and
Speaker 2: I would talked about this at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm being called to read his theology
Speaker 2: and being called to read upon this. I'm like the
Speaker 2: state of the world is making me return to the church,
Speaker 2: and I fucking hate it.
Speaker 1: That's how bad things are.
Speaker 2: That's how bad things are.
Speaker 1: That's how you know apocalypse is mynes And it's not
Speaker 1: even in this like devout way.
Speaker 2: It's just like out of spite. I gotta go back, yes,
Speaker 2: because what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some guidance, there's got to be some teaching somewhere
Speaker 1: going back to Catholicism being having a cultural aspect. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I took this religion class when like
Speaker 1: a world religion's class at Tufts in Massachusetts, when I
Speaker 1: was an undergrad and one of our units, in addition
Speaker 1: to studying Buddhism and you know whatever, this, that and
Speaker 1: the third, all these world religions and all these case
Speaker 1: studies from all across the globe, we had a specific
Speaker 1: unit on Mexican American Catholics in La Oh. Interesting, Yes,
Speaker 1: with specific literature and research. And it was its own unit.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, Okay, we're studying Judaism, we're studying Buddhism,
Speaker 1: and now we're going to study this community of Mexican
Speaker 1: Americans who are Catholics in Los Angeles. And it gave
Speaker 1: me so much perspective on myself and my own community
Speaker 1: and where I came from. That at this liberal arts college,
Speaker 1: these white ladies, these professors designed a curriculum and included
Speaker 1: us because we have our own thing going on. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're a distinct religious, cultural, ethnic enclave with enough that
Speaker 1: is unique about us and that distinguishes us from others
Speaker 1: that we can be studied and spoken about as a
Speaker 1: unique community. And it gave me more appreciation for where
Speaker 1: I came from and for who we are and the
Speaker 1: way that we participate at different levels. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's like there's a lot of cultural aspects of I
Speaker 1: think being Mexican American that are so tied in with
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church intrinsically that even if you don't go
Speaker 1: to Mass, there are Catholic bones, you know, underneath the
Speaker 1: other muertos. I mean, it's it's a Catholic celebration.
Speaker 2: It's like an indigenous celebration, but also tied.
Speaker 1: To Catholicism the way that we celebrate it here in
Speaker 1: la at least like Spanish speaking likely Mespisol Catholic communities.
Speaker 1: It's a result of syncretism. It's not the original indigenous iteration. Anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, the like components of like the sampasulcila is definitely
Speaker 2: like an indigenous practice, Yes.
Speaker 1: But the version that we have now and the altars
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery and at Grand Park and
Speaker 1: such and such, it's syncretic. And so we don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know a version, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: the Mexican American community really knows a version without Catholicism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that goes to like one of
Speaker 2: the really hard truths of being Latino and Catholic is
Speaker 2: that it's it is a result of colonization, right, and
Speaker 2: so you can't talk about one without talking about the other.
Speaker 2: It is why so many of us are raised to
Speaker 2: be Catholic, grow up in the church by design.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely so. Also shout out Pope John Paul the Second.
Speaker 1: Everyone's favorite pope.
Speaker 2: Not mine, girl, he was evil.
Speaker 1: I know, evil Signoras love John Paul the Second. My
Speaker 1: grandma still has a painting in her living room of
Speaker 1: John Paul the Second, like genuflecting to the Virgin Mary,
Speaker 1: to the Virgin of Guadalupe. I think that he still
Speaker 1: has this like icon status amongst older.
Speaker 2: Yes, they don't want to acknowledge some of the dark
Speaker 2: side of the church sense why they would still admire him,
Speaker 2: see him as like, I mean, the pope is like
Speaker 2: the highest highest rank.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And even with Pope Francis, there was in that
Speaker 1: news special that I saw after his death, but before
Speaker 1: his funeral, conversations about how he had to have his
Speaker 1: own reckoning and sort of come to Jesus moment when
Speaker 1: it came to being supportive of cardinals who were involved
Speaker 1: in sexual abuse scandals.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: And basically there was an interview with him where a
Speaker 1: journalist was asking like, why did you appoint this questionable
Speaker 1: cardinal to this position or why did you recommend that
Speaker 1: this questionable bishop become a cardinal when he has this
Speaker 1: like sordid past, and Pope Francis was like, well he
Speaker 1: told me it wasn't true, Like why would he lie
Speaker 1: to me? You know, just so much faith in this person.
Speaker 1: And then later Pope Francis then was like, okay, like
Speaker 1: give me more information. What are the investigations finding, and
Speaker 1: then he backtracked, right, And so I would say that
Speaker 1: like at least Pope Francis was willing to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think with from what I've read like
Speaker 2: with Pope John Pope God, this is so fucking niche.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's talk about it, my God.
Speaker 2: With Pope Jump Paul the Second, I think all of
Speaker 2: the accusations came after his death, so you know, this
Speaker 2: person is also no longer here to defend themselves. But
Speaker 2: there was like a documentary about how he was involved
Speaker 2: in like hiding sexual abuse cases.
Speaker 1: Oh and like Cardinal Mahoney and all that back era.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then the pope that came after John Paul
Speaker 2: the Second was like Pope Benedict, who was also very questionable.
Speaker 2: So I do think that is all of that context
Speaker 2: is why I think Pope Francis was like revered in
Speaker 2: this way, a stand out, a standout because of like
Speaker 2: his politics, the way he chose to live his life
Speaker 2: even as a pope. Again, like we this is take
Speaker 2: this all with a grain of salt. These are still
Speaker 2: like fig of a church. We are not co signing
Speaker 2: these people, but what they represent I think was very impactful.
Speaker 2: It's from the sexual abuse allegations, the cover ups, the
Speaker 2: boarding schools, the Native Americans were placed in, Like this
Speaker 2: is all like a built up right, We're not sitting
Speaker 2: here and being like the Catholic Church is perfect, think
Speaker 2: more so we're making it. At least I'm making an
Speaker 2: argument that as a cultural Catholic, you're taught to be
Speaker 2: a good person, to look out for each other, to
Speaker 2: not turn the migrant refugee away, to make space for
Speaker 2: them because they need help, they need it. And I
Speaker 2: think that that at its core, the Church and the
Speaker 2: Bible can teach you those things. It's the way we
Speaker 2: don't allow nuance, the way we then weaponize Bible versus.
Speaker 2: We take things out of context and we collective we
Speaker 2: write where then we use it to oppress other people.
Speaker 2: That's what the issue is.
Speaker 1: And also I think that a lot of religious leaders
Speaker 1: are banking on the fact when quoting the Bible, you
Speaker 1: should do this because the Bible says, banking on the
Speaker 1: fact that most people have not read the Bible and
Speaker 1: don't know what's in it. No, I was listening to
Speaker 1: on Spotify. I was listening to a Joan Rivers comedy
Speaker 1: album Okay, and she has this joke where she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't cook for my husband. Show me in the
Speaker 1: Bible word says I have to cook for my husband.
Speaker 1: It's not in there. Anywhere, show me the verse, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was so funny. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: says that or not, who knows, but it just made
Speaker 1: me think, like, we're told do it because the Bible
Speaker 1: says the Bible tells me so, But like, are we
Speaker 1: really going line by line and investigating and are we
Speaker 1: really interpreting in a way that makes sense for our
Speaker 1: modern context?
Speaker 2: Right exactly? Yeah? And I think there are people that
Speaker 2: spend their time kind of contesting these like, Okay, the
Speaker 2: Bible says this, are you going to do that?
Speaker 1: You know exactly?
Speaker 2: Are you kind of flipping it? Okay? Well it says this,
Speaker 2: are you doing this?
Speaker 1: Are we stoning people?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like are we going to take your word for word? Okay?
Speaker 1: Are we cutting off hands? Be yeah? Are we gouging
Speaker 1: out eyes? Is that what we're doing? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I hope not. I pray. Well.
Speaker 2: This has been our cradle Catholic episode.
Speaker 1: As you can see, we're still recovering, We're still quite damaged, we're.
Speaker 2: Still recovering, we're still insane, we're still making peace with it.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's sometimes it takes the fucking JD
Speaker 2: Vances of the world for me to come out swinging.
Speaker 1: That's how bad it is here.
Speaker 2: I'm defending the Catholics.
Speaker 1: That's how bad it is. Yeah, yeah, how dare you
Speaker 1: JD Vans that you've brought us to this place? You
Speaker 1: killed the pope, you're making us go to church? Like what?
Speaker 1: Pray for us?
Speaker 2: Pray for us, Pray for our sins.
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