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<v Speaker 1>Last time on lok a thought our Radio. What did

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<v Speaker 2>So today on climax and cry, let's discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's discuss, let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you climax? How did you cry this week? Mother?

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<v Speaker 1>So, I would say a fabulous climax that I had

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<v Speaker 1>this week that we actually enjoyed together. Yes, we climax

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. Maybe it was a really great

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<v Speaker 1>meeting that we had in West Hollywood. And we used

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<v Speaker 1>to take meetings in Weiho all the time. We were

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<v Speaker 1>always in West Hollywood taking a meeting. It's much to

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<v Speaker 1>ourtis may, yes, but always sitting down for a coffee

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<v Speaker 1>for a drink, for a lunch to talk business because

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<v Speaker 1>we're business ladies, and yesterday was no exception. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just feel really invigorated and inspired and motivated. And the

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<v Speaker 1>person that we were sitting down with gave us, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>some really cool ideas that had never crossed my mind before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's nice when you meet someone who is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, willing to have coffee with you, willing to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like give you advice, give you some type

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<v Speaker 2>of mentorship, you know, and like we do not take

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<v Speaker 2>that for granted. We have been like mentored and guided

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<v Speaker 2>over the years by a lot of incredible people. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why it was also really exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh, just more more to come, more to come,

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<v Speaker 1>always more from us. And I don't know, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a new sense of inspiration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean we are reaching almost a decade wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so it's yeah, it's time. It's time. We

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<v Speaker 2>there's things that we have been wanting to put that

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<v Speaker 2>have been in the works and we've been wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>put in motion for a long time, and it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like this is the year. Yeah, we're really setting our

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<v Speaker 2>sits on lots of things. So yeah, that's exciting. Well

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you climaxed in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you at the Little Sidewalk Cafe, How did you

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<v Speaker 1>cry this week?

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<v Speaker 2>How did I greet you cry?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it's just the end of the semester.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're like in finals and there's just like final

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<v Speaker 1>producing work that has to be done on the documentary

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<v Speaker 1>that I worked on this semester. We have our screening

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. I'm writing a research paper and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in film school there's really very little reading and writing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of storyboarding and shot listing, but reading and

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<v Speaker 1>writing is rare. So I'm buckling down and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>in my research phase and I got to write my

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand pa word, not page, my three thousand word

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<v Speaker 1>paper and it's ultimately going to be great, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really excited about the subject matter. Maybe I'll share more

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<v Speaker 1>in a future episode when I'm done with the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's my cry right now, is I'm in finals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's real.

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<v Speaker 1>How about you? What was your climax this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my climax is that we actually have a new

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<v Speaker 2>team member. Yes we do, so I have kind of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of been teasing this out. I've been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>my homegirl a little bit more of been name dropping her,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will. So Jackie is now our operations assistant, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has also been helping us with social So

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<v Speaker 2>if you follow us on social media, you may have

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<v Speaker 2>noticed we're back. We have been posting a lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>She has been posting a lot more. She has just

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<v Speaker 2>been helping us content batch and really is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>is like our second brain right now, our third brain,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, And that has been really exciting. She

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<v Speaker 2>and I have been friends for over twenty years and

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<v Speaker 2>we've never worked together under this capacity for the business

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<v Speaker 2>for Locatra, so this has been really exciting. And she

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<v Speaker 2>is just she is a business girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a business lady like in ways that we

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<v Speaker 2>are not, because we're creative's first, business lady second. But

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, no, I'm a business lady. I'm a businesswoman,

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<v Speaker 2>and she gets things done. So it's nice to have

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of objective person come in and see maybe

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<v Speaker 2>spots that maybe need to be filled, but also really

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge like what we've been able to do just us too,

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<v Speaker 2>at least on the business side of things, so that

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<v Speaker 2>I think has been like a really big so some

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<v Speaker 2>climaxing for me this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so happy to hear that. I'm also very

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<v Speaker 1>happy about Jackie. Yeah, Jackie's that also. I think she's

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<v Speaker 1>giving us like a blood transfusion. Yes, in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>I told her I was a girl. You've kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been a life raft. I'm not gonna lie, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not that we've been drowning per se. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, going back to what we were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>during your climax, right, it's like there's things that we

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, but there's only two of us, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and like we need a third person to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>help with like the business side of things. We have

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie for the audio specifically and producing, but to have

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<v Speaker 2>someone on like operations really help us grow, I think

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<v Speaker 2>is really exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true to grow. You got to grow, Yes, So

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<v Speaker 1>we got to grow the team to grow the project.

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<v Speaker 1>And we look at some of the the other podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>out there, they have a team of twenty people, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>working on the one show, and we've just been like

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<v Speaker 1>plugging away, yeah, with our little tiny team, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>still here even mighty mighty that's us so that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>And how about your cry?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I cry a lot. And one way that I've

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<v Speaker 2>cried this week is that I talk about this all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, y'all, but I just cannot sit down and write.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been my constant struggle for years. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>started to unpack it in new ways because I have

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<v Speaker 2>been undergoing a therapy assessment for us. Yes, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it just yet. I will once

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<v Speaker 2>I have more information, But basically, I've just I'm been

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<v Speaker 2>starting to understand myself in a different way based on

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<v Speaker 2>like how my brain I literally operates, and so that

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<v Speaker 2>has also given allowed me to give myself a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more grace and more patience. Like it's not that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to write, there's something deeper in there that

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<v Speaker 2>is not allowing you to just sit down and do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kind of have. I have to force myself

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<v Speaker 2>in so many ways to just do something that I

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<v Speaker 2>really love and that I want to do. And it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then why don't you just do it? Well? My brain

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<v Speaker 2>is not letting me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's are you calling this writer's block

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<v Speaker 1>or do you feel like it's something else?

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<v Speaker 2>It's definitely something else because the block I do not have.

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<v Speaker 2>The ideas are there, it's just the physical act of

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The sitting down, opening up the computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so that has been making me cry this

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<v Speaker 2>week because I just like want to write, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>do it. I can't do it. And so yes, more

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<v Speaker 2>to come, self exploring, examining that, turning that inside out,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll report back when I know more.

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<v Speaker 1>And for our listeners, you tell us what is your

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<v Speaker 1>climax of the week and what is your cry of

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<v Speaker 1>the week. It could literally be an amazing orgasm that

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<v Speaker 1>you had, tell us how you achieved it. Or it

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<v Speaker 1>could be like a more metaphorical climax, something in your

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<v Speaker 1>life that has just sent you over the moon, made

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<v Speaker 1>you happy, or even just lifted your spirits a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And then what made you cry? Is it the state

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<v Speaker 1>of the world? Is it the Trump administration? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>the coming Olympics la and the catastrophe that it's sure

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<v Speaker 1>to be like? Is it our impending apocalypse? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>a breakup?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>You tell us what's going on with you? And now

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<v Speaker 1>let's transition into oye lokaz one of I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>think consistently like one of my favorite segments because I

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<v Speaker 1>love just hearing from the listeners, like what is on

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<v Speaker 1>your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just know that if you've submitted a question

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<v Speaker 2>and it hasn't been answered yet, it will be answered.

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<v Speaker 2>And this question was submitted to us via our Instagram channel.

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<v Speaker 1>You are now listening to.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, this is the question. I know we're not

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<v Speaker 2>in our party era, but can a hobby night be

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<v Speaker 2>in the works, like a paint and sip or candle making,

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<v Speaker 2>just bonding and joy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that we do love hobbies. We do have

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<v Speaker 1>our hobbies. Hobbies are very important. I think that they

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<v Speaker 1>nourish the soul. And for our listeners who are in

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<v Speaker 1>the Greater LA area, we will be hosting an event

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<v Speaker 1>actually in June, and if your hobby is drinking, then

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<v Speaker 1>you need to join us. More details to come. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>is in the works, but we are getting back to

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<v Speaker 1>in person events.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, expect events this summer. We will be outside. We

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<v Speaker 2>are planning them. They are coming for our June event.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like part and it's not Party Girl, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like party Light. It's a gathering. We're gathering.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gathering. There will be beverages, but it's not a party.

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<v Speaker 2>You will be home by seven pm. Yeah, you'll be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more of a meetup, Yes, a gathering, A gathering,

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<v Speaker 2>a social.

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<v Speaker 1>A social. It's not quite a sore, but it's somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in between. Yeah, a mixer, mixer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we just want to hang with y'all. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, and so that's our focus for the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to producing obviously the podcast, but also being

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<v Speaker 2>outside and being with y'all and hanging out and just

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<v Speaker 2>reconnecting because it's been some time.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been some time. So if you're in interested,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't already follow us on socials, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you follow us. We're on TikTok, We're on Instagram at

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<v Speaker 1>look at Underscore Radio. That's where we will be posting

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<v Speaker 1>all meetup and event announcements all summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Lone, don't go anywhere, looka motives.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back, and we're back with more of

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<v Speaker 3>our episode.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so let's get into today's subject matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, this is a doozy this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we have not really dedicated a full episode

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<v Speaker 2>to Catholicism. We did talk about it a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>during the launch of season nine, I believe when the

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<v Speaker 2>Dodgers were honoring the Sister Nuns and there was like

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<v Speaker 2>all that boycotting protest. So we did talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic scent, but today we're talking about it in a

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<v Speaker 2>different way, not necessarily in a positive way, but more

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<v Speaker 2>so in a cultural way and the culture that we

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in as Catholics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you can't spell culture without the word cult.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about Catholicism because for any Catholics out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love this term, cradle Catholics, yes, meaning we

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<v Speaker 1>were baptized as tiny babies. I wasn't even really sentient yet,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I had no consciousness of myself as

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<v Speaker 1>a being. I didn't know I had a name, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what was happening. But I was being baptized

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<v Speaker 1>into the Catholic faith.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you were being baptized because all babies are born

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<v Speaker 2>with original sin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I was a very sinful baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Jesus died for us and our original sin. So

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<v Speaker 2>everyone is born with sin and we're baptized to absolve

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<v Speaker 2>us of this original sin. But before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>the nitty gritty, I want to set the scene for

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<v Speaker 2>what's been happening culturally and all the chatter that's been

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<v Speaker 2>happening online about the cradle Catholics versus I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say versus, but it's like cradle Catholics and convert. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is like the conversation that's happening, and really

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<v Speaker 2>what has sparked I think this conversation is the man jd. Vance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. And also this on the heels of the death

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<v Speaker 1>of Pope Francis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, rip, and it even I mean it predates his death, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So just like, let's kind of I said, don't want

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<v Speaker 2>a wuman of what's been going on. So jd. Vance

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<v Speaker 2>the man that he is, in case you're not familiar,

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<v Speaker 2>he is our current vice president. He's a Catholic convert.

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<v Speaker 2>He became Catholic I think in like twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>or twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, so strange, strange. I'm sorry, it's strange.

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<v Speaker 2>So Vance. Jd. Vance started this fight basically with the

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<v Speaker 2>Pope and with the broader Catholics because in an interview

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<v Speaker 2>he was basically criticizing US bishops who were resisting ice raids.

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<v Speaker 2>As we all know, churches have historically been sanctuary places.

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<v Speaker 2>So he has. He was criticizing US bishops for resisting

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<v Speaker 2>ice raids on Catholic churches and schools and basically called

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<v Speaker 2>upon this concept, this early church concept called urdo amoris,

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<v Speaker 2>which is in Latin rightly ordered love. And well, what

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<v Speaker 2>did Pope Francis do when he was still alive? He

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<v Speaker 2>responded to JD. Vance and he also wrote an open

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<v Speaker 2>letter to US bishops and asked them to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>support migrants refugees despite the call for mass deportations. And

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<v Speaker 2>he in his letter he even referred like I said

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<v Speaker 2>to ordo amooris and corrects JD. Evans and says, Christian

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<v Speaker 2>love is not a concentric expansion of interest the little

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<v Speaker 2>by little extent to other persons and group. The true

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<v Speaker 2>amoris that must be promoted is that which we discover

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<v Speaker 2>by meditating constantly on the parable of the good Samaritan,

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<v Speaker 2>that is, by meditating on the love that builds a

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<v Speaker 2>fraternity open to all without exception. Basically, be a good person,

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<v Speaker 2>help your fellow neighbor out is what he's saying. And

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<v Speaker 2>worrying about personal community or national identity apart from these

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<v Speaker 2>considerations easily introduces an ideological criterion that distored social life

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<v Speaker 2>and imposes the will of the strongest as the criterion

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<v Speaker 2>of the truth. Basically, Pope Francis versus jade Evans, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, what a title fight.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a Catholic listen, the Pope is close to God,

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<v Speaker 2>next to God like basically, and the way we look

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<v Speaker 2>at things, it's like priest, deacons, bishops, cardinals, Pope like

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<v Speaker 2>that is the highest ranking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to piss off Pope Francis to be publicly

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<v Speaker 2>called called out and told like, actually, you're interpreting that

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<v Speaker 2>teaching wrong. Hello, Yes, that would scare me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. How would I say in Spanish? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>jd Vance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was a scolding, it was a school was

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<v Speaker 2>a scolding.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a exactly. But this is my thing too

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the Catholic converts. No offense, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>saying there's this weird like like when people convert into

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<v Speaker 1>Catholicism as adults, there's this weird like ultra conservative opus

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<v Speaker 1>day Old Testament.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, traditionalist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so odd. Yes, it's so strange in us that

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<v Speaker 1>we're born into it. We went to Catholic school by

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<v Speaker 1>the time where adults were like yes, okay, like relax

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<v Speaker 1>everybody please, And I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that's that's part of the conversation as to like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what Jadvance is missing, and you know, rest in peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Pope Francis died on April twenty. First, I want to add, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to note that on Easter Sunday, the day

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<v Speaker 2>before he died, Jadvance met with Pope Francis for about

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes and Pope Francis allegedly said that he prays

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<v Speaker 2>for him every day and said God bless you and

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<v Speaker 2>sent him with a blessing. The next day, Pope Francis died.

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<v Speaker 2>Now JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vans killed Pope Francis.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the internet streets are saying. Me as a

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<v Speaker 2>cradle Catholic, as a recovering Catholic, if I met with

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<v Speaker 2>the Pope and he told me I'm praying for you,

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<v Speaker 2>because he did not say, oh, i'm praying for you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that there was a connotation with I'm praying

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm praying for your your your soul that is bound

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<v Speaker 1>for eternal damnation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's exactly what he met. I would not be okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I would think I killed the pope absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the order of events, the sequence of events. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>has met a lot of people, Yes, a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been to a lot of places.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean and Pope Francis, you know, as folks

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<v Speaker 2>may or may not know, he has been viewed as

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<v Speaker 2>the more progressive pope. He's the first from Latin America,

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<v Speaker 2>from Atrigentina. He was a Jesuit scholar, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>important because Jesuits are the scholarly like Catholics, and they

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<v Speaker 2>live their life and their their theology is like to

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<v Speaker 2>live as close as possible as Jesus. He took about poverty.

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<v Speaker 2>He was constantly calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, and

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<v Speaker 2>he called to protect the most vulnerable. And so there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a collective morning. I feel that's happening right now

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<v Speaker 2>with the passing of Pope Francis. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's also why even like the recovering Catholics that no

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<v Speaker 2>longer practicing Catholics are kind of coming out to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, this is not how we do things. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>we do not proselytize.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't that's not our thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not traditionalists, no, no, because we've been hearing about

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<v Speaker 2>it for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>For so long, and we've we've read the Bible, we've

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<v Speaker 1>studied the Bible, We've done the Catechism and Confirmation. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that within Catholic communities and within the Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is going to vary church by church, right like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that there is a healthy amount of dialogue,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a healthy amount of debate. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a severe, hardline religion, maybe that like it

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<v Speaker 1>once was, or like it appears to be. And Pope

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<v Speaker 1>Francis is somebody who I was watching on ABC. They

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<v Speaker 1>were doing this whole piece, this whole special on Pope

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<v Speaker 1>Francis and his travels and the conversations that he had

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<v Speaker 1>with people from all over the world, and conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>how Pope Francis made it possible for trans people to

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<v Speaker 1>be god parents in the Catholic Church, and a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that he had with young women about like masturbation, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pope Francis talking about how our catechism has not always

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<v Speaker 1>been the most mature catechism. And so I think that

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<v Speaker 1>instead of being like a defense guarded pope who's like gatekeeping,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the religion. He I think was really open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and aware, instead of being so insular, instead of

0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.720
<v Speaker 2>keeping people out of the church, we're bringing people in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that is why. That's what he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's what he was doing. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it's just, uh, I hope that our next pope, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is like carrying on that spirit and that tradition, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that the new pope doesn't reflect our presidential

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<v Speaker 1>administration and those values.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that the pope continues to be like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who is supposed to be like a light, yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and not an oppressive force.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And when this episode drops is actually the day

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<v Speaker 2>that the conclave starts.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh goodness, yes. And the conclave what a mysterious what

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<v Speaker 1>a mysterious process.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody knows. I mean, there is a fil home now

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<v Speaker 2>about what we assume happens during a conclave, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>very like hush hush, nobody knows, closed doors, nobody's allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to leave during the conclave, so it's very secretive, right,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it sounds like like what it must be like

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<v Speaker 1>partying with Beyonce.

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<v Speaker 2>NDAs everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>NDA's everywhere, only the very select few are invited or

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<v Speaker 1>know it's going on. It's like the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think you're right. I think that's a good comparison.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go anywhere, Locomotives.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back, and we're back with more of

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<v Speaker 3>our episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to the cradle. Catholic being raised, being raised Catholic. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I wanted us to kind of sit in

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<v Speaker 2>like how did this shape who we are as people?

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<v Speaker 2>Both the positive and the negat Yeah, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>how did that shape who we are?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I have been reflecting so much on this

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<v Speaker 1>recently because in the past year I've gone to in

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<v Speaker 1>the past two years, I've gone to a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>funerals and they have all been Catholic services, and for

0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:23.919
<v Speaker 1>at least two of those deaths, we also hosted, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rosaries nolvanas, and to be able to gather in with

0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:34.160
<v Speaker 1>your family, with your community and like basically like sit

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Shiva and pray the Rosary in Spanish. There is something

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<v Speaker 1>really beautiful about it. There's a tradition there that feels

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<v Speaker 1>like we're all putting our minds and our hearts together

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like basically in this process of group incantation

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<v Speaker 1>and praying over and over and over again to send

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<v Speaker 1>our loved one off with the strongest possible prayers that

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<v Speaker 1>we could muster. And it's just something that I was

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<v Speaker 1>grateful to be able to participate in, to know the prayers,

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>to have experience praying the Rosary. It felt like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an honor and a privilege to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>do that for loved ones who have passed. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I think about even like Catholic funerals and being in

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<v Speaker 1>the church and the whole thing. It just for someone

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<v Speaker 1>that you love so much, it feels like the appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>amount of pomp and circumstance. And I think for some

0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>things you want grandeur, you want pomp and circumstance, you

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<v Speaker 1>want ceremony. You know, you want that process to allow

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<v Speaker 1>you to grieve, like those physical manifestations. So maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>not something I appreciated when I was younger. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>attending a ton of funerals when I was younger, But

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<v Speaker 1>as we get older, people die, and to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to have that kind of send off, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>just so appropriate. You know, different cultures and different religions

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<v Speaker 1>have their own way of doing things. I've never been

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<v Speaker 1>to a funeral of another faiths as I'm thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have And I told you that I went to

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<v Speaker 2>a funeral that was not Catholic, it was Christian, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was really shocked by some of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I was hearing, and I like texted my like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a second. Never did I think I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the Catholic funeral, Like where's the pomp and circumstance,

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<v Speaker 2>where is the homily of the In this case, a

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<v Speaker 2>priest talking about how wonderful this person was and how

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was grieving right whereas I was hearing a lot

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 2>of different things from this other leader, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>shocking to me. And I didn't realize like, oh, I've

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 2>only been to Catholic funerals or I've only been to

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Catholic masses, and I'm like, who am I to miss

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<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church? What the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>I know? I know, sorry, but it's a tough thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I also it comes with experience in age and charity.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's kind of like the case that like, wait,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.959
<v Speaker 2>being Catholic is a culture even if you're not practicing anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't know if you consider yourself practicing. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you've been going to church a little more with

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<v Speaker 2>your mom.

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I did, I see my mom still teaches at a

0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.919
<v Speaker 1>Catholic school. Yeah, and so they are required to. I

0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>mean she would go anyway, she would go anyways. But

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 1>when you are a student and a teacher at a

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Catholic school, there's an expectation that you're in church twice

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<v Speaker 1>a week. Yep. Once at the school, yes, once in

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the week as part of.

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Your school day, and then Sunday Mass.

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 1>And Sunday Mass. And it was Palm Sunday. You had

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:35.919
<v Speaker 1>to go to Palm Scars got to go to Palm Sunday.

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Any time you go to church, it's during Lent season. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>not us, but that that is what general.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's really the only time of year. Like

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>if I'm really going to go to Mass. It's not Christmas.

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>We've never been Christmas Mass people, but Palm Sunday, Yes,

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>it's something.

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>My dad is a a midnight Christmas Mass person. Not

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 2>with me though, I don't go, but he would go.

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 2>He would go. That was his thing. He would do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, growing up like Lent when we were going

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:09.200
<v Speaker 2>all the time, but like especially during Lent, that's like

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:09.720
<v Speaker 2>the time that.

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 1>You go yeah, and you know, I going back, it

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.640
<v Speaker 1>does there is a it's like it's just a time

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to sit and reflect and like be quiet and listen

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 1>and say some prayers. And I mean there's like nothing

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>wrong with saying prayers, right. We need girl, we need prayer.

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:30.959
<v Speaker 2>We need so much prayer, so much per Yeah. I

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>really struggle with that where it's like this need for

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>there is a need for community, there's need for prayer,

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>there's need for hope, especially right now. But then on

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:45.479
<v Speaker 2>the flip side, we have this like rise of Christian

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 2>nationalism where I like don't really know how to hold

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 2>space for both. Where I'm like, Okay, I'm seeing I'm

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>seeing you know what I'm seeing. Get ready with me

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>to go to church? Yes, get ready with me to

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>go to Sunday Mass. They're not Catholic masses that I've seen,

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:04.439
<v Speaker 2>more so like Christian churches. And I've just kind of

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>been noticing more and more. I don't have the numbers

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 2>of statistics. Are people turning to Christianity in waves? I

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I am seeing content wise like being

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 2>made and when I see it come up on my algorithm.

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:18.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how dare you?

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 1>How dare what do you think?

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 2>You're not interested scroll the algorithm?

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>What is wrong with the algorithm?

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? But you know, so I am seeing more of that.

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>So I'm wondering do we just all grow up and

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>go back to the church.

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a thing. I think you also see

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that sort of arc of like uh ho phase, party

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>girl phase and now I'm back in church.

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fine. Don't be a fucking puritan. No, don't

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>be proselytizing. Please, Lord, don't be telling me I can't

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 2>be gay. Like, no, say your prayer, say your prayer,

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>be a good person, and keep it moving, keep it moving.

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 2>The same people that are saying their prayers as Sunday

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Mass are going to go out and be telling people

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 2>to go back to their countries. Like it's that that

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>is the pipeline that I'm like, hold up, is that

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing?

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Or are we going to church and we're listening to

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>the homily and we're going to go and be good people?

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 2>But actual good people? Because I think that's like that

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 2>is what you learn in Catholic school what it means

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.239
<v Speaker 2>to be a good person, like what it means to

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>this is all subjective, of course, but like learning right

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 2>from wrong? What is a venial sin? What is a

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.360
<v Speaker 2>moral sin? What is the fable of the good Samaritan?

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like mind you the Samaritans were so awful that

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>one of them did a nice thing. Yes, it's like wow, finally, yes,

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>yes one Okay, this is like, uh, triggering so many

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>things in my brain. Yeah. Catholics, notably, we don't go out.

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>We're not preach. We're not a preaching religion.

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>We're not standing on the side like handing out pamphlets.

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 2>M and I say we not. We but the Catholic Yeah,

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 2>but we're not. We're not. We're not.

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>We're not.

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 2>We're not Catholics are compared to the Catholics or us,

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>We're not.

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, Okay, on campus at USC twice, now.

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, you did share this.

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I have had two separate experiences and it was so

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>sneaky and underhanded, and I did not like this. I

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>was at Trader Joe's at the USC village and a Latina,

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>like a young woman approaches me out of nowhere. I

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't even see her coming. I'm like looking, I'm in

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the meat section. I'm looking at proteins and she's like,

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I love your earrings, and of course

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 1>me a compliment, you know, now I'm your best friend.

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thriving.

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm thriving, like, oh my god, thank you so much.

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>And then she's like where did you get them? I

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>don't remember. And then she's like, oh, I host a

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>prayer group. Do you want to attend? Do you want

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>to come with me? No? No, thank you? And I

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>told her, no, thank you. I'm a Catholic, and so

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I think she was probably be praying for my soul

0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 1>after that. And a second time, I'm on campus proper,

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the actual campus, like behind the gates, and two like

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>young white women, Oh my god, I love your sunglasses.

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Where did you get them? There you go, oh, we're

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>hosting a prayer group. Do you want to come with us? No,

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go to your prayer group. Like

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>it's I don't know. And there was something about it

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>being students, or at least I think they're students, or

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe they're not.

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're not.

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who they are. But there was something

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 1>about the like, oh, this is a strategy that they've

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>been taught and coached and instructed, go out compliment someone

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>someone who looks vain, someone who looks like they love,

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>someone who needs, someone who needs the Lord, and try

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and get them to come to prayer group. Is just

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>so far out of like what I know. And I'm

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>just like, don't try and recruit me right now, like

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>with these like really weird underhanded tactics. It was so

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>off putting and I did not like it, but you

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>just reminded me. I once attended a mega church Easter

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Sunday when I was studying abroad in London. Okay, because

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I was there junior year. I was in London at

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>University College London UCL for two semesters, so my entire

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>junior year. So Easter Sunday. I had some friends there

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:25.959
<v Speaker 1>who were well, at least one tough student who was

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>is a Christian, and so she invited a bunch of

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>us like, oh, do you want to come to Sunday

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Mass with me for Easter Sunday. I've been going to

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>this church here in London, so I'm like, yeah, sure,

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm down to experience anything, you know, like at once

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>at least, so I went, and it was a straight

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>up mega church. It felt like a big concert, like

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a you know, like at any of our at Sofi Stadium,

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>like it was. It was huge, and it was like

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>fog machines and laser and like a full band and

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like lots of music, really loud, like there's people speaking

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>in tongues and they're hopping up and down and it

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>was wild. And you know, we're very Catholics, are very demure.

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Very demure. We have our songs are hymns, our hymns,

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's it, and that's it.

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's a piano and there's a children's choir, yes,

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, but other than that, maybe some Gregorian chant, yes,

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>But we're sitting, we're quiet. We wait until like we're

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 1>instructed and invited to like repeat prayers or to sing

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>along in the hymnal. So that's what I'm used to. Like.

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Catholic services are so quiet. They are.

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.239
<v Speaker 2>They are quiet, and you even like develop like your

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 2>little favorite.

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Hymns, Yes you do.

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>My mom has one she has on eagles wing.

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>That's a really good one. I love on eagles wigs.

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 2>She has instructed that to be played at her funeral. Now,

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 2>that's one of her favorite hymns.

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 4>Honey, the big cute shine like sun.

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>And on TikTok. I saw this cradle Catholic if you will,

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>But it was this man replying to this comment where

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 2>this I guess convert Catholic didn't know the song and

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you don't know this song, this hymn.

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 1>It's a banger.

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 2>It is it really is a banger banger. Yeah, yes,

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>we do things we I guess we am including myself

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 2>in this. We do baptized, we are unbaptized baptized. I

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>was never confirmed, as I've shared my story of confirmation,

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I was never really confirmed.

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I was still blessed.

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>That was your active resistance. It was my actor and

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I respect it.

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you. Your story about the Christians trying

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 2>to bring you to church or bring you to their

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 2>study group reminded me of this. My sophomore year of

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>undergrad at UC Santa Barbara, I lived with three women,

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>two of them were practicing Christian. When I had my

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>little interview with them to be their roommate, we were

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 2>just talking about interests. I don't remember exactly what was said,

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 2>but I was like, well I do have a girlfriend.

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Because I was like I'm not about to live with

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>homophobic Christians. They were so fucking cool. They were so nice,

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>not homophobic, like not like how we imagine Christians to

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.760
<v Speaker 2>be now or even then. And they were really cool

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and they like would have their people over and they

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 2>would do their Bible study. But they never tried to

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>like bring me in. They were never trying to like

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 2>recruit me.

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 2>They would introduce me to their friends when they would

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.920
<v Speaker 2>come around, and they would have their stuff, and they

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 2>would invite me to things, but they were never trying

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 2>to recruit me. They were like, well I was so

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 2>they were like no, but useless. But they never like

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>made me feel like I was unwelcome or like, you know,

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>even when my girlfriend would spend the night, they were

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 2>never weird, you know, So it was it was fine.

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>That's good. And I'm sure that like most Christians are

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>probably like that.

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would hope, but girl, I don't know anymore.

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anymore.

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:23.839
<v Speaker 1>It's severe out there.

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 2>It's really severe where like moving far further right collectively

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 2>policy wise, yep, you know. And I do feel like

0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 2>it's up to these like religious leaders to not move

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 2>their congregations, their churches their their masses, yeah to the right,

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, And so that is why I think like

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 2>someone like Pope Francis was really important and it was

0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>like kind of keeping keeping things in line in that way.

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>And again it is church by church is absolutely church

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>by church.

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 2>This is not to say all Catholic churches are progressive.

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>We know that it's not true.

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>A church can change. Yes, So the Catholic school that

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I went to in Alhambra, after me and my friends

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 1>in our little like generation graduated and moved on, since then,

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the school has like literally I've used the term Opus

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Day before, but they are like literally an Opus day

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>campus now and after a while, like they required head

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>coverings in Mass for women, and they've done a lot

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 1>of other things at the school, Like I don't think

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>that they have singing anymore. I think that they've implemented

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Latin, like they've really become it's I

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>don't remember that it's like Vatican one Vatican two, you know,

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.839
<v Speaker 1>the different eras and the way that the Mass is

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>conducted and the language that it's spoken in. They've sort

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.720
<v Speaker 1>of reverted back, and it's been a very intentional move

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:55.920
<v Speaker 1>based on church leadership and that that little community was

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>never like that. Like it was a very fun little

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>school to go to. We had a g eight time.

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>The priests were like very kind. It was like a

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>very like kind hearted, like open place in a way

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>like I just have such positive memories of Catholic school.

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>It was never like I mean, you know, there's there

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>was things here and there with gender and of course

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>like about like abstinence and the human sexuality stuff was

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>really not on point. But it's not on point in

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>public schools either. I mean, let's be so for real,

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 1>like our sex education across the board is abysmal. It's

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>not only the religious institutions, but it was kind of

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>like like a little bit of like a paradise for

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 1>us as kids. You know, I just have a lot

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of positive memories, and the church has changed a lot,

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and so like I have to imagine that also has

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>an impact on the student body. Apparently they don't have

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a computer class or computer labs anymore. Oh wow, like

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>they've really like yes, buckled down in an unfortunate way.

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's very much church by church, and a

0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>church based on leadership can change and the whole congregation

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>will go with the change or leave. Yes, you know,

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and there are people who have left. I mean we

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>left right right, other drama on the other very unfortunate

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 1>side of Catholicism, because we're also not going to sit.

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 1>We've criticized Catholicism for ten much. Yeah, on the show.

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>On the show, go back and listen privately. In Downey.

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the school that I went to obviously was attached

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 2>to a church in Downey. Our Lady of Perpetual Help

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 2>can't believe I'm talking about this.

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm screaming.

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but you know, this was a school that I

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 2>went to that definitely had its issues. I felt very

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 2>more like peace safe haven in my Catholic high school.

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>But the school that I went to, and then the

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>in turn, the church that I grew up going to,

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 2>recently made headlines because a newer priest, Ariaga Pedrosa, was

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 2>charged with one felony count of assault with intent to

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.360
<v Speaker 2>commit loot acts upon a child and I fell an

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 2>accounts of lude acts upon a child aged fourteen or fifteen.

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And he was a priest at my church, at the

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>church that I grew up going to. Right, I'm no

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 2>longer an active member of that church, but that was

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>a church that I grew up going to and it

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 2>made local headlines.

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw the headlines, I saw the news.

0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I learned to be a good person through the

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 2>teachings of Catholic school. Yes, But this is the same

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 2>church that hosts like anti choice protests outside of a

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 2>clinic in Downey. I've like run by it, these active

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.359
<v Speaker 2>protests and I'm like, get the fuck out of my way,

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and so like this, this is the same congregation. So

0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 2>if you can kind of get a hint as to

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the type of leadership that is there and the type

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 2>of things that are encouraged, you know, at this church,

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 2>at this congregation, which is why I'm no longer one

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons I'm no longer a member or practicing,

0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, yeah, it is the type of leadership

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 2>that is involved and what can really make break your experience.

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that for the most part, like

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Catholics are pretty obedient, Yeah, especially if they.

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Are We're taught to be obedient.

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>It's part of it.

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>It's part of it.

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>You can't spell culture without cult.

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean we're taught to be obedient and used to

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 2>be hit you know, not us, but like you know,

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 2>that is like part of the Catholic school experience if

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 2>you went to school back in the day.

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you have to fall in line, and you

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>have to follow the rules, and you have to obey,

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and that's part of I think Catholics take pride. Devout

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Catholics take pride in like following the rules, yes, you know,

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and doing what a good Catholic would do. If your pastor,

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the head priest who's like in charge of all the

0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 1>priests and the spiritual life of the church, if you're

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a devout Catholic, you're gonna listen to what the pastor says. Yes,

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna You're gonna follow suit, because that's the whole deal. Yes,

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's the participation. And if you don't agree,

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well you got to leave the church and

0:40:58.440 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>find a new one.

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And this is why the Pope Francis is of

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 2>the world. Yeah, Archbishop Romero, yes, right, who's a saint?

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Who is a saint? Right? That is why, like and

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:11.760
<v Speaker 2>I would talked about this at the beginning of the season.

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I'm being called to read his theology

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 2>and being called to read upon this. I'm like the

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 2>state of the world is making me return to the church,

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 2>and I fucking hate it.

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>That's how bad things are.

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 2>That's how bad things are.

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>That's how you know apocalypse is mynes And it's not

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 1>even in this like devout way.

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 2>It's just like out of spite. I gotta go back, yes,

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 2>because what the fuck?

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some guidance, there's got to be some teaching somewhere

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 1>going back to Catholicism being having a cultural aspect. Yes,

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget. I took this religion class when like

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>a world religion's class at Tufts in Massachusetts, when I

0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.200
<v Speaker 1>was an undergrad and one of our units, in addition

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to studying Buddhism and you know whatever, this, that and

0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>the third, all these world religions and all these case

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 1>studies from all across the globe, we had a specific

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:07.399
<v Speaker 1>unit on Mexican American Catholics in La Oh. Interesting, Yes,

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>with specific literature and research. And it was its own unit.

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:17.799
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like, Okay, we're studying Judaism, we're studying Buddhism,

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and now we're going to study this community of Mexican

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Americans who are Catholics in Los Angeles. And it gave

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>me so much perspective on myself and my own community

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and where I came from. That at this liberal arts college,

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>these white ladies, these professors designed a curriculum and included

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.240
<v Speaker 1>us because we have our own thing going on. Yes,

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>we're a distinct religious, cultural, ethnic enclave with enough that

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 1>is unique about us and that distinguishes us from others

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 1>that we can be studied and spoken about as a

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 1>unique community. And it gave me more appreciation for where

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I came from and for who we are and the

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 1>way that we participate at different levels. But you know,

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like there's a lot of cultural aspects of I

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:10.880
<v Speaker 1>think being Mexican American that are so tied in with

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 1>the Catholic Church intrinsically that even if you don't go

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 1>to Mass, there are Catholic bones, you know, underneath the

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>other muertos. I mean, it's it's a Catholic celebration.

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.839
<v Speaker 2>It's like an indigenous celebration, but also tied.

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.640
<v Speaker 1>To Catholicism the way that we celebrate it here in

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>la at least like Spanish speaking likely Mespisol Catholic communities.

0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a result of syncretism. It's not the original indigenous iteration. Anymore.

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, the like components of like the sampasulcila is definitely

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 2>like an indigenous practice, Yes.

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 1>But the version that we have now and the altars

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.399
<v Speaker 1>at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery and at Grand Park and

0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 1>such and such, it's syncretic. And so we don't know.

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a version, and I don't know that

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the Mexican American community really knows a version without Catholicism.

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and that goes to like one of

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 2>the really hard truths of being Latino and Catholic is

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 2>that it's it is a result of colonization, right, and

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 2>so you can't talk about one without talking about the other.

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.239
<v Speaker 2>It is why so many of us are raised to

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>be Catholic, grow up in the church by design.

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely so. Also shout out Pope John Paul the Second.

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's favorite pope.

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Not mine, girl, he was evil.

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I know, evil Signoras love John Paul the Second. My

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 1>grandma still has a painting in her living room of

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>John Paul the Second, like genuflecting to the Virgin Mary,

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to the Virgin of Guadalupe. I think that he still

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 1>has this like icon status amongst older.

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they don't want to acknowledge some of the dark

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 2>side of the church sense why they would still admire him,

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.400
<v Speaker 2>see him as like, I mean, the pope is like

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.720
<v Speaker 2>the highest highest rank.

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And even with Pope Francis, there was in that

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>news special that I saw after his death, but before

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>his funeral, conversations about how he had to have his

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 1>own reckoning and sort of come to Jesus moment when

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>it came to being supportive of cardinals who were involved

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 1>in sexual abuse scandals.

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Yea.

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 1>And basically there was an interview with him where a

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:38.839
<v Speaker 1>journalist was asking like, why did you appoint this questionable

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 1>cardinal to this position or why did you recommend that

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 1>this questionable bishop become a cardinal when he has this

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.759
<v Speaker 1>like sordid past, and Pope Francis was like, well he

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>told me it wasn't true, Like why would he lie

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>to me? You know, just so much faith in this person.

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 1>And then later Pope Francis then was like, okay, like

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 1>give me more information. What are the investigations finding, and

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 1>then he backtracked, right, And so I would say that

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>like at least Pope Francis was willing to do that.

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I think with from what I've read like

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 2>with Pope John Pope God, this is so fucking niche.

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Let's go, let's talk about it, my God.

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 2>With Pope Jump Paul the Second, I think all of

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the accusations came after his death, so you know, this

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 2>person is also no longer here to defend themselves. But

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 2>there was like a documentary about how he was involved

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:31.800
<v Speaker 2>in like hiding sexual abuse cases.

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh and like Cardinal Mahoney and all that back era.

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then the pope that came after John Paul

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the Second was like Pope Benedict, who was also very questionable.

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 2>So I do think that is all of that context

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 2>is why I think Pope Francis was like revered in

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 2>this way, a stand out, a standout because of like

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 2>his politics, the way he chose to live his life

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:56.799
<v Speaker 2>even as a pope. Again, like we this is take

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 2>this all with a grain of salt. These are still

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:04.760
<v Speaker 2>like fig of a church. We are not co signing

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 2>these people, but what they represent I think was very impactful.

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>It's from the sexual abuse allegations, the cover ups, the

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 2>boarding schools, the Native Americans were placed in, Like this

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>is all like a built up right, We're not sitting

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.399
<v Speaker 2>here and being like the Catholic Church is perfect, think

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 2>more so we're making it. At least I'm making an

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:31.640
<v Speaker 2>argument that as a cultural Catholic, you're taught to be

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 2>a good person, to look out for each other, to

0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 2>not turn the migrant refugee away, to make space for

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 2>them because they need help, they need it. And I

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 2>think that that at its core, the Church and the

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Bible can teach you those things. It's the way we

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 2>don't allow nuance, the way we then weaponize Bible versus.

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 2>We take things out of context and we collective we

0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 2>write where then we use it to oppress other people.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:01.279
<v Speaker 2>That's what the issue is.

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>And also I think that a lot of religious leaders

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 1>are banking on the fact when quoting the Bible, you

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 1>should do this because the Bible says, banking on the

0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 1>fact that most people have not read the Bible and

0:48:13.840 --> 0:48:17.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know what's in it. No, I was listening to

0:48:18.120 --> 0:48:21.240
<v Speaker 1>on Spotify. I was listening to a Joan Rivers comedy

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:24.400
<v Speaker 1>album Okay, and she has this joke where she's like, no,

0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't cook for my husband. Show me in the

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Bible word says I have to cook for my husband.

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>It's not in there. Anywhere, show me the verse, you know,

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was so funny. I don't know if it

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 1>says that or not, who knows, but it just made

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 1>me think, like, we're told do it because the Bible

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 1>says the Bible tells me so, But like, are we

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 1>really going line by line and investigating and are we

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 1>really interpreting in a way that makes sense for our

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>modern context?

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Right exactly? Yeah? And I think there are people that

0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>spend their time kind of contesting these like, Okay, the

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Bible says this, are you going to do that?

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:04.760
<v Speaker 1>You know exactly?

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Are you kind of flipping it? Okay? Well it says this,

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 2>are you doing this?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we stoning people?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Like are we going to take your word for word? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we cutting off hands? Be yeah? Are we gouging

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<v Speaker 1>out eyes? Is that what we're doing? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope not. I pray. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been our cradle Catholic episode.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can see, we're still recovering, We're still quite damaged, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Still recovering, we're still insane, we're still making peace with it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's sometimes it takes the fucking JD

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<v Speaker 2>Vances of the world for me to come out swinging.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how bad it is here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm defending the Catholics.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how bad it is. Yeah, yeah, how dare you

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<v Speaker 1>JD Vans that you've brought us to this place? You

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<v Speaker 1>killed the pope, you're making us go to church? Like what?

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<v Speaker 1>Pray for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Pray for us, Pray for our sins.

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<v Speaker 1>Pray for our our everlasting souls.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, this has been enough. Yeah today, Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for listening to another episode of Loka Dora Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Take everything we say with a grain of salt, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is our experience as the recovering Catholics that we

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<v Speaker 2>are as cradle Catholics. If anyone can critique the Church

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<v Speaker 2>and Catholicism, it's us.

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<v Speaker 1>We've paid so much tuition money we have.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another conversation, but we'll save that for another day.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening, locomotives. We will catch you next time.

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