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Speaker 2: How did you climax? How did you cry this week? Mother?

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Speaker 1: So, I would say a fabulous climax that I had

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's get into today's subject matter.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, this is a doozy this.

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Speaker 2: You know, we have not really dedicated a full episode

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you can't spell culture without the word cult.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Catholicism because for any Catholics out there,

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Speaker 1: and I love this term, cradle Catholics, yes, meaning we

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Speaker 2: Yes, you were being baptized because all babies are born

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was a very sinful baby.

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Speaker 2: Because Jesus died for us and our original sin. So

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Speaker 2: everyone is born with sin and we're baptized to absolve

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Speaker 2: what's been happening culturally and all the chatter that's been

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Speaker 2: and this is like the conversation that's happening, and really

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Speaker 2: what has sparked I think this conversation is the man jd. Vance.

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Speaker 1: Yes. And also this on the heels of the death

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Speaker 2: Yes, rip, and it even I mean it predates his death, right,

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Speaker 2: he is our current vice president. He's a Catholic convert.

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Speaker 2: He became Catholic I think in like twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so strange, strange. I'm sorry, it's strange.

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Speaker 2: love is not a concentric expansion of interest the little

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Speaker 2: And as a Catholic listen, the Pope is close to God,

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Speaker 2: And so to piss off Pope Francis to be publicly

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a scolding, it was a school was

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Speaker 1: Yes, so odd. Yes, it's so strange in us that

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Speaker 2: Think that's that's part of the conversation as to like, well,

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Speaker 2: that's what Jadvance is missing, and you know, rest in peace.

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Speaker 2: Pope Francis died on April twenty. First, I want to add, though,

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Speaker 2: Now JD.

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Speaker 1: Vans killed Pope Francis.

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Speaker 2: That's what the internet streets are saying. Me as a

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Speaker 2: you know that there was a connotation with I'm praying

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Speaker 1: I'm praying for your your your soul that is bound

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly what he met. I would not be okay,

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Speaker 2: I would think I killed the pope absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean the order of events, the sequence of events. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He's been to a lot of places.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and Pope Francis, you know, as folks

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Speaker 2: He was constantly calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, and

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Speaker 2: like a collective morning. I feel that's happening right now

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Speaker 2: we do not proselytize.

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Speaker 2: We're not traditionalists, no, no, because we've been hearing about

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Speaker 1: For so long, and we've we've read the Bible, we've

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Speaker 1: Pope Francis talking about how our catechism has not always

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and aware, instead of being so insular, instead of

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Speaker 2: And I think that that is why. That's what he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what he was doing. And so

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I hope that the pope continues to be like somebody

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Speaker 2: Right. And when this episode drops is actually the day

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Speaker 1: Oh goodness, yes. And the conclave what a mysterious what

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Speaker 2: Nobody knows. I mean, there is a fil home now

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Speaker 2: very like hush hush, nobody knows, closed doors, nobody's allowed

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Speaker 1: Right, it sounds like like what it must be like

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Speaker 1: NDA's everywhere, only the very select few are invited or

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right. I think that's a good comparison.

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, Locomotives.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back, and we're back with more of

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Speaker 2: Going back to the cradle. Catholic being raised, being raised Catholic. Yes,

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Speaker 1: attending a ton of funerals when I was younger, But

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Speaker 1: as we get older, people die, and to be able

437
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Speaker 1: to have that kind of send off, I think is

438
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Speaker 1: just so appropriate. You know, different cultures and different religions

439
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: have their own way of doing things. I've never been

440
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Speaker 1: to a funeral of another faiths as I'm thinking about it.

441
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Speaker 2: I have And I told you that I went to

442
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Speaker 2: a funeral that was not Catholic, it was Christian, and

443
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: I was really shocked by some of the things that

444
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: I was hearing, and I like texted my like, okay,

445
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: wait a second. Never did I think I'd be like,

446
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: where's the Catholic funeral, Like where's the pomp and circumstance,

447
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: where is the homily of the In this case, a

448
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: priest talking about how wonderful this person was and how

449
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: everyone was grieving right whereas I was hearing a lot

450
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: of different things from this other leader, and it was

451
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Speaker 2: shocking to me. And I didn't realize like, oh, I've

452
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Speaker 2: only been to Catholic funerals or I've only been to

453
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Speaker 2: Catholic masses, and I'm like, who am I to miss

454
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Speaker 2: the Catholic Church? What the hell?

455
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Speaker 1: I know? I know, sorry, but it's a tough thing

456
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Speaker 1: that I also it comes with experience in age and charity.

457
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Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of like the case that like, wait,

458
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 2: being Catholic is a culture even if you're not practicing anymore,

459
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Speaker 2: because I don't know if you consider yourself practicing. I

460
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Speaker 2: know you've been going to church a little more with

461
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Speaker 2: your mom.

462
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Speaker 1: I did, I see my mom still teaches at a

463
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Speaker 1: Catholic school. Yeah, and so they are required to. I

464
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: mean she would go anyway, she would go anyways. But

465
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Speaker 1: when you are a student and a teacher at a

466
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Speaker 1: Catholic school, there's an expectation that you're in church twice

467
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Speaker 1: a week. Yep. Once at the school, yes, once in

468
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Speaker 1: the middle of the week as part of.

469
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Speaker 2: Your school day, and then Sunday Mass.

470
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Speaker 1: And Sunday Mass. And it was Palm Sunday. You had

471
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Speaker 1: to go to Palm Scars got to go to Palm Sunday.

472
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Speaker 2: Any time you go to church, it's during Lent season. Yes,

473
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Speaker 2: not us, but that that is what general.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really the only time of year. Like

475
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Speaker 1: if I'm really going to go to Mass. It's not Christmas.

476
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Speaker 1: We've never been Christmas Mass people, but Palm Sunday, Yes,

477
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Speaker 1: it's something.

478
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Speaker 2: My dad is a a midnight Christmas Mass person. Not

479
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Speaker 2: with me though, I don't go, but he would go.

480
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Speaker 2: He would go. That was his thing. He would do it.

481
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Speaker 2: But yes, growing up like Lent when we were going

482
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Speaker 2: all the time, but like especially during Lent, that's like

483
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Speaker 2: the time that.

484
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Speaker 1: You go yeah, and you know, I going back, it

485
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: does there is a it's like it's just a time

486
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Speaker 1: to sit and reflect and like be quiet and listen

487
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Speaker 1: and say some prayers. And I mean there's like nothing

488
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: wrong with saying prayers, right. We need girl, we need prayer.

489
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Speaker 2: We need so much prayer, so much per Yeah. I

490
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: really struggle with that where it's like this need for

491
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: there is a need for community, there's need for prayer,

492
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: there's need for hope, especially right now. But then on

493
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Speaker 2: the flip side, we have this like rise of Christian

494
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Speaker 2: nationalism where I like don't really know how to hold

495
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: space for both. Where I'm like, Okay, I'm seeing I'm

496
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Speaker 2: seeing you know what I'm seeing. Get ready with me

497
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Speaker 2: to go to church? Yes, get ready with me to

498
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Speaker 2: go to Sunday Mass. They're not Catholic masses that I've seen,

499
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: more so like Christian churches. And I've just kind of

500
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: been noticing more and more. I don't have the numbers

501
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: of statistics. Are people turning to Christianity in waves? I

502
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: don't know, but I am seeing content wise like being

503
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: made and when I see it come up on my algorithm.

504
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, how dare you?

505
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: How dare what do you think?

506
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: You're not interested scroll the algorithm?

507
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: What is wrong with the algorithm?

508
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? But you know, so I am seeing more of that.

509
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering do we just all grow up and

510
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: go back to the church.

511
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: It's a it's a thing. I think you also see

512
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: that sort of arc of like uh ho phase, party

513
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: girl phase and now I'm back in church.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. Don't be a fucking puritan. No, don't

515
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: be proselytizing. Please, Lord, don't be telling me I can't

516
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: be gay. Like, no, say your prayer, say your prayer,

517
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: be a good person, and keep it moving, keep it moving.

518
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Speaker 2: The same people that are saying their prayers as Sunday

519
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: Mass are going to go out and be telling people

520
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: to go back to their countries. Like it's that that

521
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: is the pipeline that I'm like, hold up, is that

522
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: what we're doing?

523
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

524
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: Or are we going to church and we're listening to

525
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: the homily and we're going to go and be good people?

526
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: But actual good people? Because I think that's like that

527
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: is what you learn in Catholic school what it means

528
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 2: to be a good person, like what it means to

529
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: this is all subjective, of course, but like learning right

530
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: from wrong? What is a venial sin? What is a

531
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Speaker 2: moral sin? What is the fable of the good Samaritan?

532
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, like mind you the Samaritans were so awful that

533
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: one of them did a nice thing. Yes, it's like wow, finally, yes,

534
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: yes one Okay, this is like, uh, triggering so many

535
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: things in my brain. Yeah. Catholics, notably, we don't go out.

536
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: We're not preach. We're not a preaching religion.

537
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Speaker 2: We're not standing on the side like handing out pamphlets.

538
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: M and I say we not. We but the Catholic Yeah,

539
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: but we're not. We're not. We're not.

540
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: We're not.

541
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Speaker 2: We're not Catholics are compared to the Catholics or us,

542
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: We're not.

543
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Speaker 1: And you know what, Okay, on campus at USC twice, now.

544
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Speaker 2: Right, you did share this.

545
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I have had two separate experiences and it was so

546
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: sneaky and underhanded, and I did not like this. I

547
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: was at Trader Joe's at the USC village and a Latina,

548
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: like a young woman approaches me out of nowhere. I

549
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: didn't even see her coming. I'm like looking, I'm in

550
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Speaker 1: the meat section. I'm looking at proteins and she's like,

551
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Speaker 1: oh my god, I love your earrings, and of course

552
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: me a compliment, you know, now I'm your best friend.

553
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thriving.

554
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm thriving, like, oh my god, thank you so much.

555
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: And then she's like where did you get them? I

556
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Speaker 1: don't remember. And then she's like, oh, I host a

557
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Speaker 1: prayer group. Do you want to attend? Do you want

558
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Speaker 1: to come with me? No? No, thank you? And I

559
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: told her, no, thank you. I'm a Catholic, and so

560
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: I think she was probably be praying for my soul

561
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: after that. And a second time, I'm on campus proper,

562
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Speaker 1: the actual campus, like behind the gates, and two like

563
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: young white women, Oh my god, I love your sunglasses.

564
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Speaker 1: Where did you get them? There you go, oh, we're

565
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: hosting a prayer group. Do you want to come with us? No,

566
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to your prayer group. Like

567
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Speaker 1: it's I don't know. And there was something about it

568
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Speaker 1: being students, or at least I think they're students, or

569
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Speaker 1: maybe they're not.

570
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not.

571
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are. But there was something

572
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Speaker 1: about the like, oh, this is a strategy that they've

573
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: been taught and coached and instructed, go out compliment someone

574
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Speaker 1: someone who looks vain, someone who looks like they love,

575
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Speaker 1: someone who needs, someone who needs the Lord, and try

576
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Speaker 1: and get them to come to prayer group. Is just

577
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Speaker 1: so far out of like what I know. And I'm

578
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Speaker 1: just like, don't try and recruit me right now, like

579
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Speaker 1: with these like really weird underhanded tactics. It was so

580
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: off putting and I did not like it, but you

581
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: just reminded me. I once attended a mega church Easter

582
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Speaker 1: Sunday when I was studying abroad in London. Okay, because

583
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Speaker 1: I was there junior year. I was in London at

584
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: University College London UCL for two semesters, so my entire

585
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: junior year. So Easter Sunday. I had some friends there

586
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: who were well, at least one tough student who was

587
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: is a Christian, and so she invited a bunch of

588
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Speaker 1: us like, oh, do you want to come to Sunday

589
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: Mass with me for Easter Sunday. I've been going to

590
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Speaker 1: this church here in London, so I'm like, yeah, sure,

591
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm down to experience anything, you know, like at once

592
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: at least, so I went, and it was a straight

593
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: up mega church. It felt like a big concert, like

594
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Speaker 1: a you know, like at any of our at Sofi Stadium,

595
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: like it was. It was huge, and it was like

596
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: fog machines and laser and like a full band and

597
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: like lots of music, really loud, like there's people speaking

598
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: in tongues and they're hopping up and down and it

599
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: was wild. And you know, we're very Catholics, are very demure.

600
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: Very demure. We have our songs are hymns, our hymns,

601
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: and that's that's it, and that's it.

602
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a piano and there's a children's choir, yes,

603
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, but other than that, maybe some Gregorian chant, yes,

604
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: But we're sitting, we're quiet. We wait until like we're

605
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: instructed and invited to like repeat prayers or to sing

606
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: along in the hymnal. So that's what I'm used to. Like.

607
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: Catholic services are so quiet. They are.

608
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 2: They are quiet, and you even like develop like your

609
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: little favorite.

610
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: Hymns, Yes you do.

611
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: My mom has one she has on eagles wing.

612
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: That's a really good one. I love on eagles wigs.

613
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: She has instructed that to be played at her funeral. Now,

614
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: that's one of her favorite hymns.

615
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 4: Honey, the big cute shine like sun.

616
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: And on TikTok. I saw this cradle Catholic if you will,

617
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: But it was this man replying to this comment where

618
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: this I guess convert Catholic didn't know the song and

619
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: they're like, you don't know this song, this hymn.

620
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Speaker 1: It's a banger.

621
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Speaker 2: It is it really is a banger banger. Yeah, yes,

622
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: we do things we I guess we am including myself

623
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: in this. We do baptized, we are unbaptized baptized. I

624
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: was never confirmed, as I've shared my story of confirmation,

625
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: so yeah, I was never really confirmed.

626
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: I was.

627
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: I was still blessed.

628
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: That was your active resistance. It was my actor and

629
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: I respect it.

630
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. Your story about the Christians trying

631
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: to bring you to church or bring you to their

632
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: study group reminded me of this. My sophomore year of

633
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: undergrad at UC Santa Barbara, I lived with three women,

634
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: two of them were practicing Christian. When I had my

635
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: little interview with them to be their roommate, we were

636
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: just talking about interests. I don't remember exactly what was said,

637
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: but I was like, well I do have a girlfriend.

638
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: Because I was like I'm not about to live with

639
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: homophobic Christians. They were so fucking cool. They were so nice,

640
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: not homophobic, like not like how we imagine Christians to

641
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 2: be now or even then. And they were really cool

642
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: and they like would have their people over and they

643
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: would do their Bible study. But they never tried to

644
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: like bring me in. They were never trying to like

645
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: recruit me.

646
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: You know.

647
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: They would introduce me to their friends when they would

648
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: come around, and they would have their stuff, and they

649
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: would invite me to things, but they were never trying

650
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: to recruit me. They were like, well I was so

651
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: they were like no, but useless. But they never like

652
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: made me feel like I was unwelcome or like, you know,

653
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: even when my girlfriend would spend the night, they were

654
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: never weird, you know, So it was it was fine.

655
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: That's good. And I'm sure that like most Christians are

656
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: probably like that.

657
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I would hope, but girl, I don't know anymore.

658
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't know anymore.

659
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: It's severe out there.

660
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: It's really severe where like moving far further right collectively

661
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: policy wise, yep, you know. And I do feel like

662
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: it's up to these like religious leaders to not move

663
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: their congregations, their churches their their masses, yeah to the right,

664
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: you know, And so that is why I think like

665
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: someone like Pope Francis was really important and it was

666
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: like kind of keeping keeping things in line in that way.

667
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: And again it is church by church is absolutely church

668
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: by church.

669
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: You know.

670
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: This is not to say all Catholic churches are progressive.

671
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: We know that it's not true.

672
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: A church can change. Yes, So the Catholic school that

673
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: I went to in Alhambra, after me and my friends

674
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: in our little like generation graduated and moved on, since then,

675
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: the school has like literally I've used the term Opus

676
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: Day before, but they are like literally an Opus day

677
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: campus now and after a while, like they required head

678
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: coverings in Mass for women, and they've done a lot

679
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: of other things at the school, Like I don't think

680
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: that they have singing anymore. I think that they've implemented

681
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of Latin, like they've really become it's I

682
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: don't remember that it's like Vatican one Vatican two, you know,

683
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: the different eras and the way that the Mass is

684
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: conducted and the language that it's spoken in. They've sort

685
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: of reverted back, and it's been a very intentional move

686
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: based on church leadership and that that little community was

687
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: never like that. Like it was a very fun little

688
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: school to go to. We had a g eight time.

689
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: The priests were like very kind. It was like a

690
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: very like kind hearted, like open place in a way

691
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: like I just have such positive memories of Catholic school.

692
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: It was never like I mean, you know, there's there

693
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: was things here and there with gender and of course

694
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: like about like abstinence and the human sexuality stuff was

695
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: really not on point. But it's not on point in

696
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: public schools either. I mean, let's be so for real,

697
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: like our sex education across the board is abysmal. It's

698
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: not only the religious institutions, but it was kind of

699
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: like like a little bit of like a paradise for

700
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: us as kids. You know, I just have a lot

701
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: of positive memories, and the church has changed a lot,

702
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: and so like I have to imagine that also has

703
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: an impact on the student body. Apparently they don't have

704
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: a computer class or computer labs anymore. Oh wow, like

705
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: they've really like yes, buckled down in an unfortunate way.

706
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's very much church by church, and a

707
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: church based on leadership can change and the whole congregation

708
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: will go with the change or leave. Yes, you know,

709
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: and there are people who have left. I mean we

710
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: left right right, other drama on the other very unfortunate

711
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: side of Catholicism, because we're also not going to sit.

712
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: We've criticized Catholicism for ten much. Yeah, on the show.

713
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: On the show, go back and listen privately. In Downey.

714
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: Yes, the school that I went to obviously was attached

715
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: to a church in Downey. Our Lady of Perpetual Help

716
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: can't believe I'm talking about this.

717
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm screaming.

718
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: Yes, but you know, this was a school that I

719
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: went to that definitely had its issues. I felt very

720
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: more like peace safe haven in my Catholic high school.

721
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: But the school that I went to, and then the

722
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: in turn, the church that I grew up going to,

723
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: recently made headlines because a newer priest, Ariaga Pedrosa, was

724
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: charged with one felony count of assault with intent to

725
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: commit loot acts upon a child and I fell an

726
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: accounts of lude acts upon a child aged fourteen or fifteen.

727
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: And he was a priest at my church, at the

728
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: church that I grew up going to. Right, I'm no

729
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: longer an active member of that church, but that was

730
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: a church that I grew up going to and it

731
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: made local headlines.

732
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw the headlines, I saw the news.

733
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I learned to be a good person through the

734
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: teachings of Catholic school. Yes, But this is the same

735
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: church that hosts like anti choice protests outside of a

736
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: clinic in Downey. I've like run by it, these active

737
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 2: protests and I'm like, get the fuck out of my way,

738
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: and so like this, this is the same congregation. So

739
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: if you can kind of get a hint as to

740
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: the type of leadership that is there and the type

741
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: of things that are encouraged, you know, at this church,

742
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: at this congregation, which is why I'm no longer one

743
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: of the reasons I'm no longer a member or practicing,

744
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: but I mean, yeah, it is the type of leadership

745
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: that is involved and what can really make break your experience.

746
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that for the most part, like

747
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: Catholics are pretty obedient, Yeah, especially if they.

748
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: Are We're taught to be obedient.

749
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: It's part of it.

750
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: It's part of it.

751
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: You can't spell culture without cult.

752
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean we're taught to be obedient and used to

753
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: be hit you know, not us, but like you know,

754
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: that is like part of the Catholic school experience if

755
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: you went to school back in the day.

756
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have to fall in line, and you

757
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: have to follow the rules, and you have to obey,

758
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: and that's part of I think Catholics take pride. Devout

759
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: Catholics take pride in like following the rules, yes, you know,

760
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: and doing what a good Catholic would do. If your pastor,

761
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: the head priest who's like in charge of all the

762
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: priests and the spiritual life of the church, if you're

763
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: a devout Catholic, you're gonna listen to what the pastor says. Yes,

764
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna You're gonna follow suit, because that's the whole deal. Yes,

765
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's the participation. And if you don't agree,

766
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: it's like, well you got to leave the church and

767
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: find a new one.

768
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: Yes, And this is why the Pope Francis is of

769
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, Archbishop Romero, yes, right, who's a saint?

770
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: Who is a saint? Right? That is why, like and

771
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 2: I would talked about this at the beginning of the season.

772
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm being called to read his theology

773
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: and being called to read upon this. I'm like the

774
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: state of the world is making me return to the church,

775
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: and I fucking hate it.

776
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: That's how bad things are.

777
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: That's how bad things are.

778
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: That's how you know apocalypse is mynes And it's not

779
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: even in this like devout way.

780
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: It's just like out of spite. I gotta go back, yes,

781
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: because what the fuck?

782
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, some guidance, there's got to be some teaching somewhere

783
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: going back to Catholicism being having a cultural aspect. Yes,

784
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I took this religion class when like

785
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: a world religion's class at Tufts in Massachusetts, when I

786
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: was an undergrad and one of our units, in addition

787
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: to studying Buddhism and you know whatever, this, that and

788
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: the third, all these world religions and all these case

789
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: studies from all across the globe, we had a specific

790
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: unit on Mexican American Catholics in La Oh. Interesting, Yes,

791
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: with specific literature and research. And it was its own unit.

792
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, Okay, we're studying Judaism, we're studying Buddhism,

793
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 1: and now we're going to study this community of Mexican

794
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: Americans who are Catholics in Los Angeles. And it gave

795
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: me so much perspective on myself and my own community

796
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: and where I came from. That at this liberal arts college,

797
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: these white ladies, these professors designed a curriculum and included

798
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: us because we have our own thing going on. Yes,

799
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: we're a distinct religious, cultural, ethnic enclave with enough that

800
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: is unique about us and that distinguishes us from others

801
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: that we can be studied and spoken about as a

802
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: unique community. And it gave me more appreciation for where

803
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: I came from and for who we are and the

804
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: way that we participate at different levels. But you know,

805
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: it's like there's a lot of cultural aspects of I

806
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: think being Mexican American that are so tied in with

807
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church intrinsically that even if you don't go

808
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: to Mass, there are Catholic bones, you know, underneath the

809
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: other muertos. I mean, it's it's a Catholic celebration.

810
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: It's like an indigenous celebration, but also tied.

811
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: To Catholicism the way that we celebrate it here in

812
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: la at least like Spanish speaking likely Mespisol Catholic communities.

813
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: It's a result of syncretism. It's not the original indigenous iteration. Anymore.

814
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 2: Right, the like components of like the sampasulcila is definitely

815
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: like an indigenous practice, Yes.

816
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: But the version that we have now and the altars

817
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery and at Grand Park and

818
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: such and such, it's syncretic. And so we don't know.

819
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know a version, and I don't know that

820
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: the Mexican American community really knows a version without Catholicism.

821
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that goes to like one of

822
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: the really hard truths of being Latino and Catholic is

823
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: that it's it is a result of colonization, right, and

824
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: so you can't talk about one without talking about the other.

825
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: It is why so many of us are raised to

826
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: be Catholic, grow up in the church by design.

827
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely so. Also shout out Pope John Paul the Second.

828
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Everyone's favorite pope.

829
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: Not mine, girl, he was evil.

830
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: I know, evil Signoras love John Paul the Second. My

831
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: grandma still has a painting in her living room of

832
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: John Paul the Second, like genuflecting to the Virgin Mary,

833
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: to the Virgin of Guadalupe. I think that he still

834
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: has this like icon status amongst older.

835
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: Yes, they don't want to acknowledge some of the dark

836
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: side of the church sense why they would still admire him,

837
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: see him as like, I mean, the pope is like

838
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 2: the highest highest rank.

839
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. And even with Pope Francis, there was in that

840
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: news special that I saw after his death, but before

841
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: his funeral, conversations about how he had to have his

842
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: own reckoning and sort of come to Jesus moment when

843
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: it came to being supportive of cardinals who were involved

844
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: in sexual abuse scandals.

845
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: Yea.

846
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: And basically there was an interview with him where a

847
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: journalist was asking like, why did you appoint this questionable

848
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: cardinal to this position or why did you recommend that

849
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: this questionable bishop become a cardinal when he has this

850
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: like sordid past, and Pope Francis was like, well he

851
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: told me it wasn't true, Like why would he lie

852
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: to me? You know, just so much faith in this person.

853
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: And then later Pope Francis then was like, okay, like

854
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: give me more information. What are the investigations finding, and

855
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: then he backtracked, right, And so I would say that

856
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: like at least Pope Francis was willing to do that.

857
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think with from what I've read like

858
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: with Pope John Pope God, this is so fucking niche.

859
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's talk about it, my God.

860
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: With Pope Jump Paul the Second, I think all of

861
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: the accusations came after his death, so you know, this

862
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: person is also no longer here to defend themselves. But

863
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: there was like a documentary about how he was involved

864
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: in like hiding sexual abuse cases.

865
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: Oh and like Cardinal Mahoney and all that back era.

866
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: Yes, and then the pope that came after John Paul

867
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: the Second was like Pope Benedict, who was also very questionable.

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Speaker 2: So I do think that is all of that context

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Speaker 2: is why I think Pope Francis was like revered in

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Speaker 2: this way, a stand out, a standout because of like

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Speaker 2: his politics, the way he chose to live his life

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Speaker 2: even as a pope. Again, like we this is take

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Speaker 2: this all with a grain of salt. These are still

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Speaker 2: like fig of a church. We are not co signing

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Speaker 2: these people, but what they represent I think was very impactful.

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Speaker 2: It's from the sexual abuse allegations, the cover ups, the

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Speaker 2: boarding schools, the Native Americans were placed in, Like this

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Speaker 2: is all like a built up right, We're not sitting

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Speaker 2: here and being like the Catholic Church is perfect, think

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Speaker 2: more so we're making it. At least I'm making an

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Speaker 2: argument that as a cultural Catholic, you're taught to be

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Speaker 2: a good person, to look out for each other, to

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Speaker 2: not turn the migrant refugee away, to make space for

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Speaker 2: them because they need help, they need it. And I

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Speaker 2: think that that at its core, the Church and the

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Speaker 2: Bible can teach you those things. It's the way we

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Speaker 2: don't allow nuance, the way we then weaponize Bible versus.

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Speaker 2: We take things out of context and we collective we

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Speaker 2: write where then we use it to oppress other people.

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Speaker 2: That's what the issue is.

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Speaker 1: And also I think that a lot of religious leaders

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Speaker 1: are banking on the fact when quoting the Bible, you

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Speaker 1: should do this because the Bible says, banking on the

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Speaker 1: fact that most people have not read the Bible and

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Speaker 1: don't know what's in it. No, I was listening to

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Speaker 1: on Spotify. I was listening to a Joan Rivers comedy

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Speaker 1: album Okay, and she has this joke where she's like, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't cook for my husband. Show me in the

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Speaker 1: Bible word says I have to cook for my husband.

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Speaker 1: It's not in there. Anywhere, show me the verse, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it was so funny. I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: says that or not, who knows, but it just made

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Speaker 1: me think, like, we're told do it because the Bible

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Speaker 1: says the Bible tells me so, But like, are we

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Speaker 1: really going line by line and investigating and are we

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Speaker 1: really interpreting in a way that makes sense for our

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Speaker 1: modern context?

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Speaker 2: Right exactly? Yeah? And I think there are people that

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Speaker 2: spend their time kind of contesting these like, Okay, the

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Speaker 2: Bible says this, are you going to do that?

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Speaker 1: You know exactly?

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Speaker 2: Are you kind of flipping it? Okay? Well it says this,

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Speaker 2: are you doing this?

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Speaker 1: Are we stoning people?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Like are we going to take your word for word? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Are we cutting off hands? Be yeah? Are we gouging

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Speaker 1: out eyes? Is that what we're doing? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I hope not. I pray. Well.

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Speaker 2: This has been our cradle Catholic episode.

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Speaker 1: As you can see, we're still recovering, We're still quite damaged, we're.

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Speaker 2: Still recovering, we're still insane, we're still making peace with it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's sometimes it takes the fucking JD

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Speaker 2: Vances of the world for me to come out swinging.

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Speaker 1: That's how bad it is here.

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Speaker 2: I'm defending the Catholics.

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Speaker 1: That's how bad it is. Yeah, yeah, how dare you

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Speaker 1: JD Vans that you've brought us to this place? You

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Speaker 1: killed the pope, you're making us go to church? Like what?

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Speaker 1: Pray for us?

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Speaker 2: Pray for us, Pray for our sins.

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Speaker 1: Pray for our our everlasting souls.

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Speaker 2: All right, this has been enough. Yeah today, Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for listening to another episode of Loka Dora Radio.

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Speaker 2: Take everything we say with a grain of salt, but

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Speaker 2: this is our experience as the recovering Catholics that we

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Speaker 2: are as cradle Catholics. If anyone can critique the Church

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Speaker 2: and Catholicism, it's us.

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Speaker 1: We've paid so much tuition money we have.

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Speaker 2: That's another conversation, but we'll save that for another day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, locomotives. We will catch you next time.

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