1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: And she came to the school with her parents and 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: said she wanted to enroll, and Prudence had the decency 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: rather quickly to say, well, of course, maybe some people 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: won't like it, but I'm going to have Sarah as 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: one of my students. Since Sarah became the first black 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: girl enrolled, I should say in an integrated classroom in America, amazing. Well, 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: just a single black girl set the town on fire. 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, a father, an entrepreneur, 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: and I've been a football coach an inner city Memphis. 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: And the last part it somehow led to an oscar 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: for the film about our team. It's called Undefeated. Guys, 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: I believe our country's problems will never be solved by 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: a bunch of fancy people and nice suits using big 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: words that nobody ever uses on CNN and Fox, but 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: rather by an army of normal folks. That's us, just 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: you and me deciding, hey, you know what I can help. 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what Prudence Crandall did. Every child, black 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: or white, rich or poor, deserves to have a world 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: class education. And Prudence took a stand on this in 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: eighteen thirty two. That's an era where this was a 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: very lonely stand to take. And today, along with Larry Reid, 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: the author of Rule Heroes, we pay tribute to her 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 2: as part of our special series An Army of Normal 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: Dead Folks. I can't wait for you to meet Prudence Crandall. 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: Right after these brief messages from our general sponsors, this 27 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: one kind of struck me. We're going to talk about 28 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: Prudence Crandall, and I'm ashamed to admit another name that 29 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 2: I'd never heard. But the reason I want to talk 30 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: about her is if you want to be part of 31 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: the army and normal folks, and you're going to go 32 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: into areas of difficulty to employ this passion and discipline 33 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: and abilities, you have to affect some measure of change, 34 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: you got to expect two things. One is going to 35 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: be difficulty, because if you go into difficult areas and 36 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: you think just because you show up and you're going 37 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: to do good work, it's going to be easy, well 38 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: you've got another coming. The second is there's going to 39 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: be people that don't want you to be successful. And 40 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: Prudence crandall steadfastness is what strikes me in the face 41 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: of so much. So tell us who produce Crandall is okay? 42 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: Well, if any of your listeners are ever driving around 43 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: New England, the state of Connecticut in particular, they can 44 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: go to Canterbury, Connecticut and see to this day the 45 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: building that she turned into a school that she bought 46 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: with a five hundred dollars down payment. That was a 47 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of money in the eighteen thirties and a fifteen 48 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. 49 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: Mortgage twenty five percent down. 50 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that was pretty costly. But that school, former 51 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: school is now the Prudence Crandall Museum. Well, she was 52 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: destined to be a teacher, that's what she wanted to 53 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: do from her earliest days, and in her twenties she 54 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: decided to start her own school. And for the first 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: two years that she taught in Connecticut, in Canterbury, she 56 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: was renowned as a wonderful teacher. Everybody thought she was 57 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: just fantastic. 58 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: And everybody in societ and he loved her. She's a 59 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: great teacher. Look at what she's doing. She bought this house, 60 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: absolutely and she's educating these girls in this fine manner. 61 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: That's right. So she's a talk about town. 62 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: She really was, and she would go from, you know, 63 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of notoriety and appreciation to the depths of 64 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: disdain and prejudice. And what did that was an incident 65 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: involving a young black girl. When Prudence started the school, 66 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: all of her pupils for the first two years were 67 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: white and was. 68 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: Just socially acceptable in eighteen whatever. 69 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it was mostly a white community to begin with. 70 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: And this is Connecticut, that's right. We ain't talking Mississippi. 71 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 72 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: It's not the Deep South. 73 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 2: And let's we need to check our sensibilities at the 74 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: door and get historically real here. That's right. This is Connecticut, yep, yep. 75 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: And just as slavery was for centuries a common worldwide 76 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: stain on the human race, so was racism. It was 77 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: not peculiar to America. It was common all over the world. Well, 78 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: what changed things for Prudence was a young black girl. 79 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: She was from a free black family in New England, 80 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: not from a slave family. A slaver had been dying 81 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: out in New England, so there were many black families 82 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: who were free. Sarah and I've forgotten her last name 83 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: for the moment, but her name was Sarah and she 84 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: came to the school with her parents and said she 85 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: wanted to enroll. And Prudence had the decency rather quickly 86 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: to say, well, of course, maybe some people won't like it, 87 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: but I'm going to have Sarah as one of my students. 88 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: And Sarah became the first black girl enrolled, i should say, 89 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: in an integrated classroom in America. 90 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: Amazing. 91 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: Well, just a single black girl set the town on fire. 92 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: Racist elements in town began to call Prudence crandle every 93 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: name in the book. They ultimately would even poison the well. 94 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: She had to go get. 95 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: A good water when I read that they poisoned well. 96 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: And actually when the students would come out, they would 97 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: be stoned or called every name in the book. But 98 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: at first she had to deal with this and in 99 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: the hope that maybe the farer would die down. 100 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: Sarah Harris, Sarah Harris. 101 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: Thank you, yep. Well, the white parents in town started 102 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: withdrawing their children from the school because they didn't want 103 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: their children going to a school where there was even 104 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: one black girl. Then the government enters the picture. Pressure 105 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: from the bad folks in Canterbury led the state legislature 106 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: to pass a law that said it would be illegal 107 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: for any free black citizen from any other state to 108 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: come into Connectic for the purpose of attending a school, 109 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: even a private one. I mean, can you imagine that? 110 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: And so Prudence Crandall had to fight the state government, 111 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: and well, William Lloyd Garrison, who was very famous for 112 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: his newspaper The Liberator, one of the great abolitionist publications 113 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: of the day, he came to her rescue and said, look, 114 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: I have connections with black families, free black families all 115 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: over New England, and I will get as many of 116 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: them to send their children to your school. I'll provide 117 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: financial aid, I'll sponsor them, and you go ahead and 118 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: do your thing. Well, Prudence. Then she knew that the 119 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 1: white parents were all going to take their daughters out, 120 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: so she changed the school in the face of all 121 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: this racism, to feature exclusively black girls. It was very 122 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: hard for her to do because she had to say 123 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: goodbye to the white girls that she came to know 124 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: and to love, but she thought that was the only 125 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: way out. Their parents were going to take them out 126 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: sooner or later anyway, so she persisted. Now with a school. 127 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: And let's be clear, this is just an average girl 128 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: who wanted to start a school. Who was the bell 129 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: of the ball for running such a wonderful school exactly, 130 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: And she had the temerity to want to educate a 131 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: young black girl. And instead of falling, instead of allowing 132 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: the public perception and the backlashed crippler, she doubled down 133 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: with great courage. 134 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, just imagine. I mean, she could have avoided 135 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: all this hassle. Her school would have continued to be 136 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: successful with white girls only if she had just said 137 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: no to Sarah. But she thought deep down that was 138 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: the wrong thing to do. This was a young girl 139 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: who wanted to be educated, and Prudence Crendle wanted to 140 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: educate her well. In the end, her harassment proved to 141 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: be her undoing, as she endured three trials under the 142 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: so called Black Law that the legislature had passed and 143 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: made it illegal for black students to enter Connecticut. She 144 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: was prosecuted. The first trial resulted in a hung jury, 145 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: the second one, on a technicality, went her way, and 146 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: then the third one it was successful. At that point, 147 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: By that point things were just untenable in town. That's 148 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: when the poisoning of the well happened, and threats to 149 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: the students. 150 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: Nitors wouldn't sell her food, that's right, product. She couldn't 151 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: even run the school. They wouldn't. They ran her out 152 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,479 Speaker 2: of business because she couldn't even get wares. 153 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Exactly, and there were threats to burn the school down. 154 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: It was set afire twice and so finally she had 155 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: to think about the safety of her students, and so 156 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: she had no other choice but to close the school 157 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: and left Connecticut ended up settling in Kansas. And the 158 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: great thing about the story is within the decade of 159 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: the eighteen thirties when she had started the school, before 160 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: that decade was out, Connecticut saw the light and the 161 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: legislature repealed that law, the Black law that prevented black 162 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: students from coming into Connecticut. So that was a good thing. 163 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: And it was decades later when she was an old 164 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: lady living in a two room cabin in Kansas, and 165 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: with the help of Mark Twain no less, the Connecticut 166 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: legislature issued a formal apology and a pension to prudence 167 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: for the remainder of her life. So they made amends. 168 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: But my gosh, what that woman went through on behalf 169 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: of a simple basic human right. I think we should 170 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: admire her courage what character. 171 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: And I think it's so cool that Mark Twain from Missouri, 172 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: yeah later living in Connecticut. Right, Yes, that's right, learned 173 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: a verse, researched it, found out, and heralded her calls. 174 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, he was one of her greatest defenders in his 175 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: latter days, in her latter days. 176 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: There's a lot of lessons in there, perseverance, courage, doing 177 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: the right thing when it's not popular, not allowing public sentiment, 178 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: in accurate public sentiment. 179 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: To. 180 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: Make you stop what you know is right. There's also 181 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: something else in here that just because slavery had largely 182 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: been abolished in the Northeast does not mean that racism 183 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: was not still rampant. And I think there's a historical 184 00:11:52,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: lesson there that half measures are empty measures. And to 185 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: some degree, I think Miss Pruden's probably exposed that truth 186 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: as well. 187 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: I think so. I think so she spoke truth to power. 188 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: She put everything on the line. She's one of those 189 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: rare people who once they understood what the right thing 190 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: to do was, uh, they were going to stick to it, 191 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: come hill or high water. 192 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: And thank you for joining us this special series. An 193 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: Army of normal Dead, Alex. I'm still having a hard 194 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: time saying it an Army of normal dead folks. You know, 195 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: if you're listening to us and you think an Army 196 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: of Normal Dead Folks is a good title, let us know, 197 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: or a title. If you think it's a bad title, 198 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: Let us know. If you think we should retitle it, 199 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: let us know. But for now I can't say it 200 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: without laughing. Thanks for joining us for this special series 201 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 2: and the Army of Normal dead Folks and made me 202 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: think if people start putting that on their tombstone and 203 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: oh I'd love to Yeah, here lies a dead army 204 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: member an army of angels. If Prudence crandall or other 205 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: episodes have inspired you in general, or better yet, by 206 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: taking action by making your own stand in our time, 207 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: buying Larry Read's book Real Heroes, or if you have 208 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: story ideas for the series, please let me know. I 209 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: really do want to hear about it. You can write 210 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 2: me anytime at Bill at normal folks dot us and 211 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: I will respond. If you enjoyed this episode, share with 212 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: friends and on social subscribe to the podcast, rate it 213 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: and review it. 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