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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg PENL Podcast. I'm Paul Swinge. You,

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Speaker 1: along with my co host Lisa Brahma wits each day

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Speaker 1: we bring you the most noteworthy and useful interviews for

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Speaker 1: you and your money. Whether at the grocery store or

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Speaker 1: podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts, as well as

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Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com. Well, since December, global markets have

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Speaker 1: rallied significantly and broadly across asset classes and geographies. Do

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Speaker 1: you get a sense of where they're still maybe value?

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Speaker 1: We turned to our next guest, Tom Fink Thomas, chairman

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Speaker 1: and CEO of Bearings based in Charlotte, North Carolina. But

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Speaker 1: Tom comes to us today from the Milk and Institute

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Speaker 1: Conference in Los Angeles. Tom, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Um As you look about globally, where do you see

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Speaker 1: opportunities right now? Well, first of all, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on, Paul, It's been my golden be on the

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Speaker 1: on the radio with you. But um, yeah, when you

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Speaker 1: look at it, yes, we did have a very uh

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Speaker 1: Slowly that's worked its a back uh that said, I

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Speaker 1: think the you can find value in any market, but

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Speaker 1: I think because emerging markets equity and and and emerging

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Speaker 1: market debt have been down for so long, there's probably

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Speaker 1: more upside value on a general basis UH than you

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Speaker 1: might expect on the more development markets. So let's talk specifics.

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Speaker 1: In particular in Asia, I know that Bearings is focused

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Speaker 1: which nations in particular and which businesses, how are you

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Speaker 1: going about it. So when you look at our business overall,

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Speaker 1: we're fairly broadly diversified ASCID manager UM in Asia, we've

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Speaker 1: markets and the fund markets in Hong Kong, you know, Taiwan, UH,

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Speaker 1: last year we UH did receive our licensing and established

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Speaker 1: done a lot of transactions over the last ten years. So, Tom, so,

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Speaker 1: forge meaningful trade agreements. I think it's very important, you know. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: And you know, is it a distraction this uncertainty between

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Tom, the challenge in delving into leverage lending,

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Speaker 1: thank thank you so much for being with us, and

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Speaker 1: best of luck to you throughout the rest of the conference.

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Speaker 1: Tompan chairman and chief executive officer of Bearings, which oversees

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Speaker 1: three d and billion dollars from Cholotte, North Carolina. Last week,

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Speaker 1: what do you do about that? And right now joining

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Speaker 1: the Century, Corporate Power, Public Power, and the future of

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Speaker 1: the American economy. Digging into some of these issues before

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Speaker 1: We argue and this most recent report that we need

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Speaker 1: We've really created an enormous set of opportunities for corporations

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Speaker 1: So Sam one of the major focuses. However, it's just

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Speaker 1: We don't think that's got meaningful legs on it in

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Speaker 1: There is pressure on existing pressure on US drug prices

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Speaker 1: So the way they are dealing with it is by

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Speaker 1: coming up with more and more innovative therapies, things that

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Speaker 1: making a patient live much longer than they did before.

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Speaker 1: Examples of gene therapy and that sort of thing. Sam Fazli,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Sam Fazli,

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Speaker 1: director of research for Bloomberg Intelligence, joining us from London.

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