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Speaker 1: Tell me about America Stonehenge and how does it compare

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Speaker 1: to the one in the United Kingdom. Yeah. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: very similar functionally to the one the United Kingdom. For

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Speaker 1: Stonehengine is so well known. It's a World Heritage site

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Speaker 1: and they get about a million visitors. But I say,

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Speaker 1: functions very similar with astronomically, it's farm is quite different.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of stone structures that you can

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Speaker 1: walk into, but we do have a circle of standing

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Speaker 1: stones outside the main site. Main site is about one

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Speaker 1: acre with all the stone chambers and very very interesting features.

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Speaker 1: But on the outside, about five hundred six hundred seven

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Speaker 1: hundred feet away are these standing stones and they do

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Speaker 1: mock astronomical events just like Stonehenge does. And I think

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why your listeners, you know, are have

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Speaker 1: followed astrono megalithic sites, but they're about fifty thousand of

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Speaker 1: them in Western Europe. So Stonehenge is the most famous,

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Speaker 1: but it's not the oldest, no, the biggest, you know

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Speaker 1: it is very very similar to that in its function

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Speaker 1: though the sun, moon and star alignments, and with these alignments,

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Speaker 1: what do you think they were trying to accomplish, Dennis Well,

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Speaker 1: I think you're attracting the heavens. They probably thought of

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Speaker 1: the different celestial objects like as God's goddesses. But on

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Speaker 1: a practical note, the early in time when they're hunter gatherers,

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Speaker 1: they wanted to keep tractive migrations of animals, you know, fish, birds,

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Speaker 1: uh and uh eight land animals of course, and then

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Speaker 1: later on when agriculture began, they wanted to know when

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Speaker 1: it would have these big, big celebrations and they could

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Speaker 1: also star alignments, and this would kind of give them

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Speaker 1: a game, a great reason to celebrate, and so our

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Speaker 1: site does that. Actually, we do have the pretty neat

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Speaker 1: when you see the sun rising and setting over a

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Speaker 1: particular upright stone, it's kind of a neat experience. Are

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Speaker 1: you in the inside of the structure, in the middle

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Speaker 1: or on the outside. What the how do they how

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Speaker 1: do they work it? Yeah? This our site has the

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Speaker 1: alignment stones. So you have a four site and the

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Speaker 1: back site and you're actually standing near the center of

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Speaker 1: the mains to what we call the main site is

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Speaker 1: about one acre stone ruins, and in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 1: we began serving the walls that surround the site. We

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Speaker 1: have acres total, and we were serving the upright stones

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Speaker 1: and we needed to do that in order to have

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Speaker 1: an accurate map of these stones to determine whether we

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Speaker 1: had alignments for the sun mooning stage, you know, to

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Speaker 1: actually kind of prove that. And so the astronomical center

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Speaker 1: was located. And we know in the nineteen thirties the

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Speaker 1: first researcher gentleman named William be Goodwin from Hafford, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: Uh he was an insurance millionaire and he was very,

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Speaker 1: very interested in the past. He was interested in vikings

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Speaker 1: Irish called the monks where did Christopher Columbus land on

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Speaker 1: his first of his four voyages, And he wrote several

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Speaker 1: books while he bought the land, and unfortunately during some

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Speaker 1: of the restoration he actually destroyed back in the late

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Speaker 1: he's marked the astronomical center as he found out during

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Speaker 1: find out once he removed them and he used those

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Speaker 1: by doing so, he actually destroyed the astronomical center. Suit

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Speaker 1: stand in the center of the site and you look

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Speaker 1: out to the horizon, you see these stones, and these

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Speaker 1: and they actually placed these microstones to actually align with that.

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Speaker 1: And they did that in the insights like in Scotland

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Speaker 1: and some of the other sites the column horizon features.

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Speaker 1: It makes for a more accurate alignment with the sun, moon,

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Speaker 1: or stars or sometimes venus. People are looking at venus

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Speaker 1: to you know, like particularly the Mayans are doing that now. Now.

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Speaker 1: The site is in New Hampshire, isn't it? Yes, it

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Speaker 1: is yet Georgie. It's located halfway between the state capitol

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Speaker 1: of Boston and Massachusetts and Conkin, New Hampshire, about forty miles. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Uh either way you go to the state capitol and

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Speaker 1: we're about twenty miles from the Atlantic coast, and you

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Speaker 1: let people see it, right. Oh yeah, yeah. In fact,

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Speaker 1: next year we're gonna have our sixty at the anniversary.

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Speaker 1: We've been open to the public. Wells now, did you

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Speaker 1: how did you find this? Dennis? Actually, when my dad,

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Speaker 1: my dad's name is Robert Stone, and um, he was

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Speaker 1: he had just got out of the Coast Guard and

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Speaker 1: fifty two years later, he was doing what we're right

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Speaker 1: now doing right now. He was actually uh, he was

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Speaker 1: of the show was Yankee Yarns and the talk show

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Speaker 1: host was Alton Hall black Ington. And that evening on

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Speaker 1: a Friday night, Uh, it was all about these strange

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Speaker 1: You know, had never heard of these, uh desite at all,

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Speaker 1: was three years old. It was a ninety two New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire Profile magazine and as he's reading it waiting to

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Speaker 1: have his haircut, there's a story all about the same

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Speaker 1: site he had heard on the radio. You know, talk

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Speaker 1: about coincidences. And that weekend he went to my aunt

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Speaker 1: my hot and uncle included and said, anybody ever hear

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Speaker 1: of this place? And my uncle looked at her a

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Speaker 1: few minutes and gee, we used to go there in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties. We used to go up there in

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Speaker 1: picnic you know. So it's kind of an unofficial place

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Speaker 1: I think. So they visited the place they found it,

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Speaker 1: and after that my dad got very very interested in

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Speaker 1: uh you know, actually eventually purchasing purchasing the site and

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Speaker 1: opening it up to the public. Yeah, he seemed like

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Speaker 1: he was really into this. Oh yeah, So he worked

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Speaker 1: my my late sister and I would go with the family,

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Speaker 1: would and visited some of these other ruins. Um there

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Speaker 1: But back then and as a kid, it's like, oh, no, none,

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Speaker 1: Why did they call this the hill? Dennis? Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Night and believe it or not, my dad opened this

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Speaker 1: not too unusual any idea. How old the site is

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Speaker 1: twelve radio comben dating since nineteen sixty six, and the

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Speaker 1: oldest combin dating of the main site, that one acre

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Speaker 1: area is four thousand years old plus a minus about

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Speaker 1: two and fifty years. And when we did the survey

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three of the astronomical alignments, and it

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Speaker 1: one of the oldest sites in America. Ah, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: might be one of the oldest yes to own ruins

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