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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast? Is Daddy ever leaving home? Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan and this coming to you from a

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Speaker 1: city filled with heroes. In bunker is Mark Stessler, Greg

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal joining us from his bunker. Steve WI what's up

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Speaker 1: with us? What's happen? What is uh? Well? How is everybody?

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Speaker 1: How is everybody? Wow? Hard? Too hard to measure right now.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say clothing exasperated. They're pretty exasperated. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's only so many moments in life

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Speaker 1: where you feel like you're living through history and and

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Speaker 1: you could imagine that will be something that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: talked about for a long time, decades, even will be

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Speaker 1: taught in schools. Hopefully in this case, it becomes a

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Speaker 1: catalyst for change. UM and it what happened with the

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Speaker 1: death of George Floyd in Minneapolis and now nationally, protests

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Speaker 1: that have been going on, demonstrations, many of them peaceful,

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Speaker 1: some destructive, and including in our city here in Los Angeles, UM,

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Speaker 1: and just sitting at home or if you're out and

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Speaker 1: about in the city, it's all it's all really surreal,

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Speaker 1: and it's all set against the backdrop of a global pandemic,

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Speaker 1: profoundly dysfunctional political landscape we're in right now, and it's

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Speaker 1: just all that is just hard to process. And our

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Speaker 1: job obviously is primarily, um greg is to talk pro football,

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Speaker 1: but real life sometimes steps to the forefront. So that's

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Speaker 1: where we are at the top of today's show. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's something that it feels, it feels it's it's right

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Speaker 1: with this country and in the world right and we

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Speaker 1: will get to uh, we will get to the football

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Speaker 1: and get a Matt Rule interview. We're gonna uh, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna play. We'll talk some other random news too. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to avoid talking about it when it's our

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Speaker 1: our reality. Um, like Santa Monica right now, we're taping

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Speaker 1: Monica checked out, you know, some of the damage that

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Speaker 1: it is different. I mean this it's hard not to

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Speaker 1: think about that, and hard not to think about from

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Speaker 1: our point of view Colin Kaepernick. Um, which you look, Steve,

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Speaker 1: Steve Weisch's with us. He he was the one who

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Speaker 1: broke the story about Colin Kaepernick. Um, you know, first

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Speaker 1: healing on the sideline, And it's hard not to think

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Speaker 1: that this this time, if if, if nothing else, it's different. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's like a hundred and fifty cities, this is happening

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Speaker 1: you know that that that more people are talking about

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Speaker 1: police brutality. I don't think that as many people are

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Speaker 1: getting as distracted by like red state blue state stuff,

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't it's not about the state. You know,

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Speaker 1: look at our state, Like, it's not about red state,

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Speaker 1: blue state. It's about police brutality and that and that

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Speaker 1: conversation is happening, and it's it's a painful one, but

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Speaker 1: it's like a it's unavoidable. Yeah, I'm gonna try them

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Speaker 1: to hear it's it's it's it's more about right and

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Speaker 1: wrong and for whatever political landscape or whatever you believe.

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Speaker 1: Blue lives matter, Black lives matter. There is no way

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why, Greg, when you say this

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Speaker 1: seemed to be just like thinking about planes taking off

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Speaker 1: lives matter, that would it mean. That's what it means,

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Speaker 1: not that they're superior to anybody else, but that they

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Speaker 1: salute to that. But in all these other stage where

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Speaker 1: the cover up of the actual ugly act, that's what

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Speaker 1: I I love the way you just expressed all that.

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Speaker 1: And that's a good thing. I'm thankful and for one thing,

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Speaker 1: because we because anyone with with a beating heart inside

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Speaker 1: of them, are horrified by what they saw. UM. It

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Speaker 1: forces us to confront and frankly, you know those of

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Speaker 1: us with children, UM, you typically maybe hide their eyes

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Speaker 1: You know nothing will ever be the same. That that

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's different too. You sense that

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Speaker 1: And on the on the subject Steve of the NFL,

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Speaker 1: at least what that was all about. It wasn't about

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Speaker 1: the NFL side of it, Steve, Like they release a statement,

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Speaker 1: not just positive words on a press release. Well, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just talking about owners, I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: just in private conversations someone's dropping in bombs, are saying

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Speaker 1: that he needs. It's Eli. Apple signs a one year,

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Speaker 1: three million dollar deal. Uh it went uh nearly two

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Speaker 1: months between when Apple's deal with the Raiders fell apart

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of Free to See. Uh and uh

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Speaker 1: actually seventy one days until he agreed to terms with

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, so more than two months. Uh. And this

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Speaker 1: was a with the Panthers. This is a spot mark Sessler.

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Speaker 1: Uh that Carolina needed help at Apple is not a

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Speaker 1: big star despite being a first round pick. But he

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Speaker 1: should bring something to that group. Yeah, and that's Friday Show.

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Speaker 1: We each had to pitch UM an NFC South team

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Speaker 1: to win a division, and I was tasked with the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: which is, you know, in that field of four teams,

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Speaker 1: not the easiest UM pitch job. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's markets heroic. But I know most of your time

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Speaker 1: padding yourself on the back for taking well it's I

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Speaker 1: think it's heroic in the scope of being a football blogger,

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Speaker 1: not in a larger um, not in the larger context

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Speaker 1: of things right now. But uh, you know of your foot, yes,

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Speaker 1: I well I do that often. It's UM self defense mechanism.

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Speaker 1: But they lost James Bradberry. Uh. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: interesting when Greg did his UH Starters piece that you

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Speaker 1: mentioned the human being named corn Elder as a potential starter.

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Speaker 1: Had they not found anyone else so this keeps corner

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Speaker 1: elder at Bay. Yeah, that their their cornerbacks are bad

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Speaker 1: as bad as they were in the league. They feels

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Speaker 1: like they still need another one or two. Looking at

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Speaker 1: the division right m they're gonna score some points. In

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Speaker 1: other news, Eagles wide receiver to Shawn Jackson says, quote,

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna definitely be a culture shock if NFL

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Speaker 1: teams are playing in empty houses this season. Uh, in

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Speaker 1: the event that there is an NFL season, we're still

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Speaker 1: hoping that happens as well. Hey, listen, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff going on in the world right now. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He was on Jackson on the Lane Johnson podcast Outside

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Speaker 1: the Lane, Get It, and Uh he talked about what's something,

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Speaker 1: what's something that the NFL could do to juice the

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Speaker 1: telecast and the event that there is no crowd to

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Speaker 1: add that adds that natural excitement. Here's what d Jacks

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Speaker 1: had to say. I think they should mic up players.

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Speaker 1: They should give fans the insight to see what really

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Speaker 1: goes on between the lines. It gets crazy, bro. I

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Speaker 1: know in the trenches it gets crazy, and I know

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Speaker 1: on the outside it gets crazy. To the conversations we

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Speaker 1: go back and forth on Steve. You know what it's

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Speaker 1: all about in the trenches. You know it is, uh

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Speaker 1: like covering these guys being in the locker rooms. Is

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Speaker 1: this the best idea ever or the worst idea? Oh?

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Speaker 1: It's awesome, so good. The thing is, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: have to put a disclaimer coming out of every break

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Speaker 1: that you know you may hear some language that you're

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Speaker 1: really not comfortable with, because it's it's going to be slow.

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Speaker 1: He started doing it with the thirty thirty for thirties

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Speaker 1: on ESPN. They give you the option of the clean

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Speaker 1: and dirty feed. Maybe that's where NFL telcasts are heading.

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Speaker 1: I would love you get the clean feed. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just would be awesome if you made Belichick players,

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Speaker 1: if you made the Patriots get miked up while they're

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Speaker 1: going eight and eight this year, you like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just sorry, I just better. But I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: it would just be absolutely just the wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: dvs alone, well, and Mike's might not to be might

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Speaker 1: not even need you don't mean you might not need

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Speaker 1: that many Mikes. I mean, UFC has done this a

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Speaker 1: little bit since they've come back, and you can start

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Speaker 1: hearing everything in the state you know, you can start

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Speaker 1: hearing everything because there's no crowd that you might just

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Speaker 1: you know, like you have the mics on the center before,

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Speaker 1: you might hear a lot just coming off of that. Like,

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to it. I hate the idea

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Speaker 1: of fake crowd noise. It seems so so stupid to

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Speaker 1: like Falcons didn't seem to be opposed to it a

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Speaker 1: few years back, but ahead to make an artificial situation

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Speaker 1: if there's no crowd, that like, it's a totally unique

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Speaker 1: thing and it's gonna be weird, but like that's what

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Speaker 1: you're watching. Let's let's be real. Sports are real, and

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Speaker 1: you might you might get some good john back and forth.

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Speaker 1: And could you could you see coaches or just certain

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Speaker 1: coaches totally bumping on the idea of this where you know,

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Speaker 1: mid game, you know, it's one thing if it's released,

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Speaker 1: you know, six days later as a special, but mid game,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick's head explodes. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: what they're looking for. Well, and and also injuries right

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Speaker 1: yeah over there, that that's where that that's good. Nope,

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Speaker 1: that's a good point. It would really take one terrible

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Speaker 1: injury for everyone to say that that's a bad idea,

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Speaker 1: not good Yes, and point. The uneducated might not know

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Speaker 1: that Steve Weiss playing big time Division one football at

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Speaker 1: Missoo and his younger you didn't never play a game.

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Speaker 1: You never get into a game. You never got on

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Speaker 1: the field, never got on the field. I saw some

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Speaker 1: really good players there were played against Wisconsin when they

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Speaker 1: had out two and who might be the most incredible player.

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Speaker 1: Never see him. It was like six four hund pounds

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Speaker 1: and just absolutely destroyed US State when Jimmy Johnson was

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Speaker 1: a coach. You know Therma, Thomas Hartley Dyke's uh that's

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma at Bosworth. You know Tony Casillus, I mean incredible.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's a great one. Hardly a disappointing first round

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Speaker 1: pick for the Patriots back in the day. I think

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Speaker 1: I had a shirt and he didn't really come through.

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Speaker 1: But here's a great one. So we came up. We

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Speaker 1: were all yellow uniform for the first time the seventy

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Speaker 1: year anniversary since the last time Missouri warned them, which

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Speaker 1: should have been a hint that they weren't going to

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Speaker 1: look good. On TV. We're playing Notre Dame when Jerry

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Speaker 1: Faust was coaching, and they were massive. They had Steve Burline,

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Speaker 1: Mark Bavarro, Alan Pinkett, Tim Brown. I mean just first

535
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Speaker 1: round draft picks galore. I think they finished six or

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Speaker 1: five that year and we had them on the ropes

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Speaker 1: or field goal kicker miss like a thirty five yard

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Speaker 1: or you know, we love we lose the game. But

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Speaker 1: I was like, that team should be eleven and ow

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Speaker 1: I mean they they you talk about watch the team

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Speaker 1: get off the bus and you're like, oh, they're different.

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Speaker 1: They were so huge. Man, there was Mark Bavarro. Had

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Speaker 1: I played, that's would have been going up against it

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Speaker 1: would have he would have had a great seems like

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Speaker 1: a tough fellow to me based on the anecdotes. That's

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Speaker 1: like when we get off the off the NFL media

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Speaker 1: bus at the Super Bowl and everyone's just like that.

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Speaker 1: That's why we go on slow motion as we've put

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Speaker 1: our sunglasses on. Um. Why you are I I find

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Speaker 1: you to be one of the most well respected and

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Speaker 1: just everyone likes Steve, which like why she is just

552
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: like one of those dudes. If anybody was ever to

553
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: get a Rudy scenario where he's like, I'm not playing.

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00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: Steve's a senior, it's his last game. If he doesn't,

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Speaker 1: we're not taking the field. If there's not a white

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Speaker 1: at Rudy scenario, then that's that's on Miszoo and your

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Speaker 1: entire organization, the team over there. Bro, nobody would have cared, man,

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Speaker 1: nobody would have cared. We would have going up against Cansas,

559
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: our arch rival, and lost again, and uh it just

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Speaker 1: they would have blamed it on me. I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think Sean aston Um would

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Speaker 1: be a good guy to play you in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Who would Who would play Whitish if there was a

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Speaker 1: Rudy scenario? Oh, man, Denzel maybe young Denzel? Oh his son,

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Speaker 1: but his sounds too short. I think somebody you go

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Speaker 1: a little c g I and you get Denzel, the

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Speaker 1: young Denzel the same way they've given you, you know,

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Speaker 1: young all these other stars in these various We might

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Speaker 1: have to ask your wife about that. I'm sure there's

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Speaker 1: a male celebrity that she says, oh, you look like

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Speaker 1: you know what? Rock? There we go. I was thinking, yet,

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Speaker 1: get the offer out to Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I

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00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: guess we need a time machine to make it a

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Speaker 1: situation as well. But anyway, Steve, you've come and you've

575
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Speaker 1: as always delivered an incredible performance. Maybe didn't get on

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Speaker 1: the field at Massoo, but you're an m v P

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Speaker 1: on the Around the NFL podcast and a valued member

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00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: of the NFL network, and that perspective that you gave

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00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: us at the top of the show is frankly necessary.

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Speaker 1: We love to get it from you, So thank you

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Speaker 1: as always, Steve, and best of luck this week because

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Speaker 1: this is a different one. We've been working together for

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Speaker 1: a long time, but this is not like other weeks. No,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys, Appreciate the conversation, Appreciate all you guys

585
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Speaker 1: do because you guys, you guys are a window and

586
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: not a mirror to society. Man. People can see the

587
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: future through you guys instead of looking back and see themselves.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. Thank you, Steve. Thanks Steve, You're

589
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Speaker 1: the best buddy. All right, Steve, wife there he goes.

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Speaker 1: He gets a well deserved glass of Shardonnay as he

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Speaker 1: gets ready for what lies ahead. Uh, gentlemen, we mentioned

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Speaker 1: Matt rule. That's what's happening. In the news. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we mentioned Matt Rule in the interview that we did

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Speaker 1: on the Around the NFL broadcast, which again you can

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Speaker 1: check out every Friday on NFL Network six pm Eastern

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00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: three pm Pacific. There are also re airings late at

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Speaker 1: night and in the morning. I think our show is

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Speaker 1: better drunk. And I'm not condoning alcohol uses, especially if

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Speaker 1: you're underage, but if you are someone who likes to

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Speaker 1: have a few drinks on the weekend to unwind, I

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Speaker 1: think our show is even better. Greg actually his performance

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Speaker 1: and his his copy score numbers go through the roof

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Speaker 1: when you have a few whiskeys. That's what I score out.

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Speaker 1: What does that? What does compy score number? I don't

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Speaker 1: know what was the boxing uh measurement? Wasn't there something

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Speaker 1: like that? I can't remember. Com Sky com score tells

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Speaker 1: you like how well your websites doing, I think, But

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Speaker 1: what you're right, We're on a ten pm Eastern and

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, and eleven pm Pacific. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know at different times, so you're right. You can

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Speaker 1: get a late nighting. You can get like the next

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Speaker 1: morning six am or ten am. You know, Uh, what

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Speaker 1: is copy score? Let me see what this uh IT has.

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Speaker 1: We are a full time family owned company that has

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Speaker 1: been timing athletes for over thirty of years, so that

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Speaker 1: was a very analogy there. Swim events, triathlons do all

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Speaker 1: pons uh televised podcast, biking events, Derik clients are more

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Speaker 1: so Gregg's compuse score rises as people in BIB alcohol.

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Speaker 1: It makes total sense now that we know what the

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Speaker 1: company has involved in anyway. We had Matt Rule, the

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Speaker 1: former bar Baylor coach and a man that my father

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Speaker 1: in law, Bob Bates, absolutely adored at his time down

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Speaker 1: there in Waco. Now he's the head coach of the Panthers.

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Speaker 1: And here was our conversation with Matt Rule, including a

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Speaker 1: little speed round at the end. Enjoy joining us now

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Speaker 1: we're so excited to have him, Matt Rule, the head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Carolina Panthers. Matt, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: And is there any way you can have that music

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Speaker 1: underneath you at all time with throughout all your coaching

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Speaker 1: duties in Charlotte. I would love nothing more than to

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Speaker 1: walk around with my own theme music. Um, Matt, it's

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Speaker 1: you know, even in the best of times, being a

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Speaker 1: rookie NFL head coach is a challenge. But you it

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Speaker 1: seems like you're entering the picture at a particularly fraught time.

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Speaker 1: You're entering a division that has a perennial Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: contend or favorite in the Saints. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's in the mix and Gronk. You have no

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Speaker 1: traditional offseason activities and oh yeah, the organization decided to

639
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: move on from the most popular successful player in history

640
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: and Cam Newton and franchise history. This is a challenge.

641
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: I know you just rebuilt bell Or from the ground up,

642
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: but this one, this one feels like a tough one.

643
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Um, You know, I'm excited about it,

644
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's not like I, Um, I

645
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: didn't walk in eyes wide open in terms of haying

646
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: that there's things we have to do. But I'll even

647
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: you know, amplified even more. Like of the ninety guys

648
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: on our roster, I've probably actually physically met maybe twenty,

649
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: I think like a played for me of them. So like, um,

650
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: I could be walking down the street tomorrow and and

651
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: and and bump into somebody and they can be playing

652
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: on the team and I haven't actually met them yet.

653
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: So but you know what. There's two sech everybody you

654
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: know now, no it's it's not. But if you don't

655
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: what it's like anything like that, you know it. You

656
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: know these these these this adversity, these obstacles, they forced

657
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: you to try to be at your best. I know this.

658
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: I know myself as a head coach, my assistant coaches,

659
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: being in the virtual off season, I think we are

660
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: better teachers now than we were a month ago. I

661
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: think being home and being a like an ad teaching

662
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: my kids has made me a better teacher than I

663
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: was a month ago or two months ago. So um,

664
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Speaker 1: just trying to take the positives out of it and

665
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: not worry too much about the negatives. Wow, I need

666
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: some homeschooling tips from you. Then. I don't know if

667
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: I've gotten any better. Maybe a world podcaster, I can

668
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: tell you that. Man. I wonder maybe Teddy Bridgewater is

669
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: one of the guys you met. Maybe not, but I

670
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about him because you know, these

671
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: two clowns on the on the other side of the

672
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: screen from me, they like to make their little jokes

673
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: about Teddy. They talked about his air yards per attempt.

674
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: I mean they like him as a person. But they said,

675
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: I think he's not as exciting as a order back

676
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: to explain to me why you guys wanted to bring

677
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: him in and thought he was a fit for your system. Yeah,

678
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I had a chance to coach against

679
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: Teddy my first year at Temple. I actually put up

680
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: the statue the other day for our team. It was

681
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: like five or thirty five or three forty eight. I mean,

682
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: he just destroyed us UM. And then I went on

683
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: to watch them in Minnesota without knowing really well and

684
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: watched him, you know, take you know, um, take a

685
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: team to the playoffs, I think in year two whatever

686
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: it was, and then have that terrible injury, and I think,

687
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: if anything you wanna know about Teddy, just just go

688
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: back and watch the game he comes back and finally plays,

689
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: and watch his teammates. Um. You know, I'm a big

690
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: statistics guy. I'm a big analytics guy, and and they're

691
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: they're really important, but they only tell about half the story.

692
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: The best players in the world bring up the best

693
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: in their teammates. And I can tell you since free

694
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: agency started, the amount of guys that want to come

695
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: that want to play with Teddy has nothing to do

696
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: with me has nothing to do with the They they

697
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: want to be a part of what he's doing because

698
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: he brings out the best in people. Then to watch

699
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: what you know, he you know, had his little brief

700
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: stint whatever with the Jets. Watch what he did in

701
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: New Orleans last year. And so we're getting ready to

702
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: play Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. We're practicing at the

703
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Saints facility and he's out there by himself with a

704
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: couple of guys and he's still on red zone route.

705
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: You know, Drew is gonna start and he's the backup late.

706
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, the game before the playoffs,

707
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: and I'm watching him throw and I'm watching the way

708
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: people respond to him, and I have no idea. I'm

709
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna be in Carolina and we start a little you know,

710
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: jog through in Taekwon Thorne is this great young receiver

711
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: for us from Miami, and Teddy walks through our practice

712
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and he walks over and says hello to him. He's,

713
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe eight years older than him, and he's

714
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: talking to him, chopping up when he comes over and

715
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, coach, sorry to interrupt your walk through.

716
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I just I sat there and told him. I said, Teddy,

717
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: I just want you to know how much respect I

718
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: have for you, having coached against you, having seen what

719
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: you've done, haven't seen the way people respond you. Man,

720
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Speaker 1: I just I wish you the best. So you fast

721
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: forward a couple of months and we have a chance

722
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: to get him here. I believe so wholeheartedly and who

723
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: he is as a quarterback. Um. I believe in his abilities.

724
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: I believe in his arm strength. I've believe in his accuracy.

725
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: I've believe in his decision making. But beyond that, he's

726
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna make everyone else that much better. That coach like that, Well,

727
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: the question for you, we're sold. I. I here's my

728
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: question for you, because I just wonder from a um

729
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: you've come to the NFL. People talk about the lack

730
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: of experience on the coaching staff, which I think you

731
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: kind of have said, forget all that business. We're gonna

732
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna attack this the way we do everything else.

733
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Speaker 1: But it is a is it a bit of a

734
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: mental polar shift to have your mind occupied with like

735
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: how do we shut down a sophomore three technique from

736
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: Rice University? To now in the middle of the night,

737
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: you're thinking we've got Drew Brees to deal with. We've

738
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: got Matt Ryan to deal with. Oh and by the way,

739
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: they you know, Tom Brady is gonna leave the golf

740
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: course at some point and be shoved into a Bucks jersey.

741
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: The NFC South is stacked. I mean, is it is

742
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: it for you? Just starting a game plan for these

743
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: guys that you've been watching for so long? Um at all? Uh?

744
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: Striking mentally or a challenge? Well, I mean, you know,

745
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: take out the xs and os. I mean, Drew Brees

746
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady are not in. Matt Ryan aren't great

747
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: because of just the XS and os. They're They're great

748
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: because of who they are as players. And so I

749
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: would say this, I would say, you know, go go

750
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: be a Go be a defensive coordinator, Go be um

751
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: go be a head coach in the Big twelve. You know,

752
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: deal with you know um uh you know Jalen Hurts

753
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: running quarterback counter one way with a speed sweep the

754
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: other side with an r PO in behind it. Go

755
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: beal with quarterback onrue every down. Go deal with option football.

756
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, we're at Temple and we're playing one week

757
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: we're playing the spread. The next week we're playing Navy.

758
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: And playing the triple you know, the XS and os

759
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: can you know, can sometimes be really challenging in college

760
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: way beyond you know, the more traditional stuff you see

761
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. What the difference in the

762
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: National Football League is the matchups, is the expertise. And

763
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, I brought a lot of guys that I

764
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: brought with that were with me at Baylor because I

765
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: believe they're the best of the best, and a lot

766
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: of them I brought I got from the NFL and

767
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: convinced them to come to Baylor. You know, there's a

768
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: lot of money in college football. I could pay them

769
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: pretty well. Um, But you know, we we brought Jason

770
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: Simmons in as our defensive pass game coordinator from Green Bay.

771
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: We brought Al Holcom, who has been a defensive coordinator

772
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: in as our run game coordinator. We've brought Mike Fair

773
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: in from the Annapolis Colts. So we tried to bring

774
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: in a bunch of great, great guys with me from Baylor,

775
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: and you know, supplant supplement them with a bunch of

776
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: guys from the NFL. I really like our staff and

777
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: I think I think we'll do a good job coaching

778
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: over the next couple of years. Alright, Matt, so far

779
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: we're all impressed. We think the Panthers are gonna go

780
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: nineteen and oh but you know what, we haven't done anything.

781
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: Ex we haven't done the speed Round. And this is

782
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: where champions are made on the around the NFL broadcast.

783
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: Are you ready, Matt? Yeah? Shot, I have no idea.

784
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: Who's coming. Hit the music, hit the music, Here we go.

785
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: Sopranos are Game of Thrones. Oh wow, that's like the

786
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: Soprano Springs Theater. Bob Jovian, your uncle is married to

787
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: your an. Some people say, ah, Cessla says Hunt, it's weird.

788
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: Best Tarantino movie. Oh um? Who pick to say flat

789
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: Earther's what's their deal? They don't get the whole story.

790
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: The age that you live until? What is the age

791
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: you live until? Uh? Yeah, I'm I'm going on early.

792
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying between seven. Oh my god, have you read

793
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: Art of War by Sun Zoo? I legitimately have. Wow,

794
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: if you haven't read Art of Ward, coaches talk about

795
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: you behind your back? Maybe just felic? How is the

796
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: pizza and Charlotte be honest? Um? I love New York

797
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: to be deeper. Jersey Shore of the happens Cursy Shore

798
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: I have about the eight and eight Thurty floor. Are

799
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: my jets getting a star in Denzel Mims? Yes? Final question,

800
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: you plan to keep doing it? Keep well? You you

801
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: did it. You're a champion. Matt. You you killed the

802
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: speed round and uh, we thank you so much for

803
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: joining us. And like we said, not a traditional way

804
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: to start your NFL head coaching career, but you sound

805
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: like a guy that's gonna get it done. So the

806
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: best of luck to you in and beyond. Matt Rule,

807
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, appreciate you all. Stay safe. All right, Mark,

808
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: I have to say your ability to keep it together

809
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: during the Rule interview was I mean kudos, because in

810
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: terms of man crushes, you have to go all the

811
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: way back to maybe Kyle Shanahan during his o C

812
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: days to find someone that you have adored as much

813
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: as Rule. I put petting up there. I think I

814
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: learned firsthand when I'm little Debbie visited the studio and

815
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: I just went silent for about fifteen minutes while the

816
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: three of you knocked that interview out of the park

817
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: because I didn't know how to what did or who

818
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: I was. Um, we're all the Beatles concert in a

819
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: backstage of laughing because I totally forgot about that. That

820
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: is a sneaky great so I think about it daily.

821
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: It concerns me daily. But um, you know Rule was

822
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: you know he was were used to this point seeing

823
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: all sorts of people in the fourth square on our

824
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: show or the fifth square. So, um, you know, I

825
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: did my best to uh get one question out there.

826
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: And I don't think I did a great job with

827
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: that question. That if I critique that show, I had

828
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: a kernel of a thought, um, and it went totally

829
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: sideways with a question that went on for about four

830
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: minutes longer than it needed to see. I didn't remember that. Well,

831
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, you have two self critique when you're watching

832
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: it late at night. You got that beer in the hand,

833
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: thinking well, I had have done that better. If we um,

834
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Speaker 1: if we had time my next question there, if we

835
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: had time for one more question, I was going to

836
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: ask Matt Rule seriously, um, if he was ready, uh

837
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: to handle the pressure as Mark's new coaching crush, I

838
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: would have maybe used a different word than that, but

839
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: just that you know, he might not know this, but

840
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: every year there's a coach that Mark kind of fixates,

841
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, an offensive mastermind and whether he thought he

842
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: could handle that sort of thing, and it's often not

843
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: going well for those people. So you know, Laser, we

844
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: haven't seen Lazer was it was one of the originals

845
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: back in the Yeah, tough sitch for Laser. Philippo was

846
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: another one. Patton, Oh, he caught some fire. Patton, of course. Um,

847
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: Patton's back on his feet for now. Patton near, very

848
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: nearly got. I feel like he was maybe a little

849
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: closer to getting shoved out the door than people realized

850
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: by the end of last year. Better and might be

851
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: the best Browns coach of the decade. Yeah, although I

852
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: would say probably they let shann hanging out the door. Please,

853
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: we didn't need to go out ahead you mentioned alright,

854
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: So Kevin, Yeah, the Fansky answers his first year with

855
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: the Browns, rules, first year with the Panthers. You got

856
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: Joe Edge, who we talked about on Wednesday's show, entering

857
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: his first year with the Dream And who's the other

858
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: debut coach this year. It's Mike McCarthy being a new

859
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: coach and not a first time coach, Mike mccarth in Dallas.

860
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: And we could open this up to new o cs

861
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: and dcs. But UM rule it feels like and we

862
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: talked about it in our conversation as you just heard

863
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: that it's a he's in a very challenging situation and

864
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: we didn't really like dived in too deep on the

865
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: Cam Newton stuff because who knows how much say he

866
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: really had in that. But that's that's a major kind

867
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: of cloud hanging over rule that he might not even

868
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: have control over about how his quarterback ends up playing,

869
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: how Newton's career continues. Uh. But it feels like rule

870
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: with Christian McCaffrey. With some pieces, he seems to have

871
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: his stuff together. It's gonna be a challenge in year one,

872
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: but you feel like he could be set up for

873
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: success down the road. Where does he compare to some

874
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: of these other new coaches and coordinators out there is

875
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: anyone else that jumps out to you that's in an

876
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: especially good spot or can verstly a bad spot? I

877
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: would say I think Stefanski is in a from a

878
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: roster angle, UM, you'd like to think he'd succeed right away,

879
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: if not very early. UM. But the overall Cleveland experience

880
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: UM leaves you just sort of wanting to see it.

881
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't quite have the idea of institutional nightmare in Cleveland.

882
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like one part of it looks great, and

883
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: then it's like the actual history of the organization the

884
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: last twenty years, and it's like, how could you ever

885
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: think positive? But that's what does that even really mean? Ultimately?

886
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: You know? Right, and I would he has a fresh start,

887
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: He has a fresh start, right, I'd offer this that

888
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: UM Andrew Berry I think has like kind of on

889
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: the under the radar for a GM who's been there

890
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: for three or four months, done an incredible job. And

891
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm looking that through UM. I typically look

892
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: at their front offices thinking there's probably a disaster looming

893
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But Stefanski and Andrew Berry Um every

894
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: time they were asked about it, seeing each other's praise

895
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: and seemed to be on the same page. And the

896
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: pattents and all these guys we mentioned from behore before,

897
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: we're in owner opposite scenarios where they were battling their

898
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: front offices and being undermined by them and text messages

899
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: down to the sidelines and suspensions. So I think Stefanski

900
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: set up to succeed Uh. This year. But I have

901
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: a much better idea of who Matt Rule is, UM,

902
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: And I really just believe and your and to your

903
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: father in law his support of Matt Rule and what

904
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: he witnessed with his own eyes as a dug in

905
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: Baylor fan, He's done that everywhere he's gone. So to

906
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: me and I, you know, I've said it over and over.

907
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: It's just I get kind of like college to pro

908
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson vibes, and I just think that, Um, I

909
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: really think Matt Rule is going to be the story

910
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: of the NFL. H. Yeah, Baylor wasn't at the level

911
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: obviously of Penn State. That was unprecedented, But Baylor went

912
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: from this organization or this college program that was kind

913
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: of an eternal also ran in that region, and then

914
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: Art Briles came to town and r G three exploded

915
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: on the scene and it turned them into a powerhouse.

916
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: And then scandal brought that whole thing to the ground.

917
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: And as with my family ties, I fall her pretty

918
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: closely that or that that program, it appeared to be

919
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: in a position where they had exploded, and then the

920
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: way that things went up in flames that they might

921
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: just go underground for decades and be a just an

922
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: afterthought in the college football scene. Again, the fact that

923
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: he was able to come in and rebuild that program.

924
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: I think he went one and eleven the first year

925
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: when they just had all sorts of issues and they

926
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: were just trying to get on their feet. But after

927
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: that point they became one of the top programs UH

928
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: in their conference and in the nation. And if he

929
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: can take that same ability to a team build and

930
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: obviously you could say it's apples and oranges college and pros,

931
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: but you just get the vibe. And I'm always a

932
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: sucker with with Um not to like keep our focus

933
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: on Rule, but I'm kind of a sucker as a

934
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey guy for the straight shooting New

935
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: York New Jersey guy, the guy that seems relatable and

936
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: he seems like when you were a younger, the type

937
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: of guy like your friend's dad that had his together

938
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: type guy, and you you imagine that he would just

939
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: be successful in life. That to me is Matt Rule

940
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: and that a guy like that engenders a lot of faith.

941
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, Mark that I think that he

942
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: could be a very good hire. And yes, do I

943
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: think what I take the unknown with Matt Rule over

944
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: the what I have in hand with Adam Gaze absolutely um,

945
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: But I think the I think the Panthers have somebody

946
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: there that that you can get excited about for sure. Well,

947
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: he he combined a few things at in college, and

948
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: I think he's shown that he might be able to

949
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: do with the pros, which is it's it's the team

950
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: building and the organization building, and it's the scheme. It's

951
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: the combination. The great coaches can do both. And his

952
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, his coaching was extremely inventive, so he seems

953
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: to get it whatever it is. But he also is

954
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: you know, bringing Joe Brady from LSU and to get

955
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: back to the whole thing with Cam Newton. I mean,

956
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: I assume I've assumed Matt Rule percent made that decision,

957
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: or that he was the biggest voice by far. I

958
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: assume that everything in the Panther organization, he's the biggest

959
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: voice by far. And I know, I know ownership UM

960
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: is going to be part of it, but I think

961
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: David Tepper is signing up for Matt Rule to be

962
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: that guy. And I think when you heard him talk

963
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: about Teddy Bridgewater, look, I think I think they there

964
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: was no mistake that they they released that statement that

965
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: Cam Newton can seek a trade the day before they

966
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: signed Teddy Bridgewater, when you can assume they basically agreed

967
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: to terms with Teddy Bridgewater the day before. So once

968
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: they knew they had Teddy, the guy that they wanted

969
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: to go after, and it's it's less money. He doesn't

970
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: mean he's gonna be there guy forever, but it's the

971
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: guy that they wanted to go after for this year

972
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: who's played for Joe Brady, his his offensive coordinator. I mean,

973
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: I assume they they looked at the Camp situation and thought,

974
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I don't want to deal with that,

975
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: and I do want to deal with Teddy Bridgewater, who

976
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: one of you know, our coordinator knows well. And uh,

977
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: I think that rules set up for success to because

978
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: they don't have to win, Like if they go five

979
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: and eleven and they're an exciting offense, everyone's gonna love

980
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: Matt Rule at least this year in terms of public perception.

981
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: Just scored some points and people love Matt Rule. Whereas

982
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: Stefanski and McCarthy, they're gonna have high expectations. I mean,

983
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be expected to win. Again, Matt rule,

984
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Like what a six seven year contract I mean has

985
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: to have if if they go seven and nine again,

986
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: it's like, well, um, Freddy Kitchens got US seven and

987
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: nine and everyone's talking about him like he's the worst

988
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: coach in the history of the US. So that's it's

989
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 1: actually kind of a high bar for first Kevin US

990
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: history of the US. I've never heard people abow talk

991
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: about Freddie Kitchens like like he is the worst coach

992
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: ever basically, and like I get it, he did a

993
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: bad job, but like he was not the only person

994
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: in that Well you know who doesn't think so Joe Judge,

995
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: who hired him to come coach tight ends, I believe.

996
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: So you know, these guys keep powering each other no

997
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: matter what happens. Well, the one thing we know about

998
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: Freddy Kitchens because we've got a chance to meet and

999
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: talk with them, like he seems like a totally cool

1000
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: guy that loves football and is passionate about it. So

1001
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes the guy's just not right for the big chair.

1002
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: And the Browns learned the hard way that that appeared

1003
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: to be Kitchens and faith the one guy might as

1004
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: well just touch on quickly. I think McCarthy is the

1005
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: best set up for success in Dallas. But also, and

1006
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: I think you've alluded to this a few times to

1007
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: mark this offseason, he also is under the most pressure

1008
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: because people are gonna expect the Cowboys to win that division.

1009
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: You can't really say that with the Browns and the

1010
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: Giants and the Panthers. McCarthy is gonna need to get

1011
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: that team going in the right direction and win ten

1012
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: eleven games or he's gonna be seen as, uh, oh,

1013
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: we hired the guy that was burned out in Green

1014
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: Bay and is still getting the same type of results,

1015
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: so that there's some pressure there. But he certainly has,

1016
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: especially on the offensive side of the ball, an awesome

1017
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: set up. Don't discount the epiphany that he had during

1018
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: this year away from UM the Gridirons. So you know,

1019
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the secret sauce right there. I

1020
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: think you hit on it that they like, you don't

1021
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: hire McCarthy to like rebuild and and like develop young players.

1022
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like they hired him because they're

1023
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: ready to win now, which is okay, that makes sense.

1024
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: And they kept calling Moore, they kept calling more because

1025
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: they're ready to win now. I mean, they are one

1026
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: of the you know, invade in the desert, and I've

1027
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: already seen among some of our cogniscente they're one of

1028
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: the favorites. They're one of the like, top five or

1029
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: six favorites to go win the whole thing. And I

1030
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: don't think that's that crazy when you have that good

1031
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: an offense, I don't. I don't think it's crazy. I

1032
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: can also think of other years where they're the favorites

1033
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: because their Dallas and it's presumed that they'll roll into

1034
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: the NFC title game. I mean, they've found a way

1035
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: to not do that for twenty plus years in a row.

1036
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: But um, what could go wrong? Um? All right, man?

1037
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: You do not like Mike McCarthy. No, I like I.

1038
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: That's more of a Cowboys have viewed themselves as a

1039
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: super Bowl team since and all of a sudden, you know,

1040
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy can't even know that. I really wanted to

1041
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: get deep into it. You could almost read this. You

1042
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: always mentioned the you know, the epiphany and the off

1043
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: season pr that he did. I mean, if I'm out

1044
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: there in Tom pell and I'm Tom Palaicero, and we

1045
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: know he doesn't listen to our podcast. But if he did,

1046
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: who kind of put together the biggest piece about McCarthy.

1047
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: I might take some offense that you're coming after my work.

1048
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: Well that is not true. But if you want to

1049
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: fire back, go look at anything I've written for the

1050
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: site over the last three months. I mean, what is

1051
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: talk about unnecessary fluff? Very hard on himself to no.

1052
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: I just I you know, I look at I question

1053
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: the nature of um, you know, sitting around on your

1054
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: phone reading like eight thousand hours of sports articles right now.

1055
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: But at people are in different situations. So I've also

1056
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: moved on epiphany wise, I am now all on the

1057
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I'm not gonna talk trash anymore. Epiphany. Okay,

1058
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: that's the epiphany I'm all for. Now we move in silence.

1059
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Speaker 1: He's gonna like he's gonna like show up to games

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00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: like like a ninja outfit on into just like little

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00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: small letters, silence you know on his alright, move on

1062
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: to the next part of the show. Whatever you guys

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00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: have cooked up. All right, let's spend the wheel. It

1064
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: is time to um the Wheel of Teams, which is

1065
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: our weekly deep dive into one team in our league.

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00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: It started off with the Arizona Cardinals. Last week we

1067
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: had our buddy Bob Glauber uh talk the New York

1068
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: Giants and now Ricky Hall and hey, Ricky, how are you?

1069
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: By the way, how are you? Ricky? I'm okay. How

1070
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: are you guys? There's hartly Dike's the former Patriots first

1071
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: round receiver. Yeah, no, such a bust's that's it, Ricky.

1072
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: I heard there's there's demonstrations going right outside your window

1073
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: to helicopters going on. I just got a notification that

1074
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: Kurfew went from six to five pm in about five minutes.

1075
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: The helicopters are are unnerving, So there was helicopters the

1076
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: entire day, nonstopped yesterday from the morning until about ten

1077
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: thirty pm. It went away and then they were back

1078
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: around and I was like, well, we're in the morning today.

1079
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: I was like, we're doing this again, but for the

1080
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: most part they've left. Yeah, it's scary out there, so

1081
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: stay safe, Freaky Hollywood. We're gonna spin the wheel and

1082
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: find out which team we will be diving deep on

1083
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: on Wednesday's show, Erica. Are we ready? All right, Ricky?

1084
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: Spend the whale by bay? All right, let's go Dolphin

1085
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: big moment Broncos and Broncos the Tennessee Titans. Well, look

1086
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: at that mark one spot away from the Browns so far,

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00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: I think it's better for the show that we we're

1088
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: gonna have a twenty minute conversation on the Browns anyway,

1089
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: So let's go Titans here. I feel like we've overcorrected.

1090
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: Though we used to joke that we never talked about

1091
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: the Titans. To now after this show, we've almost talked

1092
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: too much about the Titans. We talked a lot about

1093
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: guess what it's coming more tight and stuck they greg

1094
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: and we know that they knocked off your Patriots and

1095
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: ended Tom Brady's New England career with a pick six.

1096
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: You don't have to take it out on them that

1097
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: they were just doing what they were trained to do,

1098
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: which is win a football game. I enjoy I enjoyed

1099
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: their Their little run reminded me of some early Patriots teams. Um,

1100
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: so yes, we will talk about the Titans on Wednesday show,

1101
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: and we will talk. We'll get our heads together and

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00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: pick someone from the Beat or someone connected to the

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: Titans to speak to as well. So tune in for

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00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: that all right before we go? Uh we I just

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00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about some of the guys and and uh,

1106
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: I know this particular person didn't necessarily want it to

1107
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: be something that was a big to do. But we

1108
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: have a well trod saying here at the A T

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00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: N podcast that we deliver football news with a touch

1110
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: of mirth. And that comes all that comes both directly

1111
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: and indirectly from Dave Damashek, who if you're paying attention,

1112
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: and released this final episode of the d d FP yesterday,

1113
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: and the phrase is how Check would describe around the

1114
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: league news write ups on NFL dot com penn by

1115
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: Mark and I years ago, news with a touch of mirth.

1116
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: And uh, like I said when he was on our

1117
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: show last week, Check is the godfather of mirth at

1118
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: NFL media before he came and didn't exist at least

1119
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: not in any form that was funny. And Mark and

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01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: I didn't follow a traditional linear path to get to

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: where we are. We started out as part timers in

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01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: two thousand ten, and I I think for for me

1123
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: and Mark, I think we're in the same boat on this.

1124
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: There was two people at this company that really um

1125
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: believed that us and gave us a chance. One was

1126
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: justin Hathaway, our old news editor who hired hired both

1127
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: of us within a month of each other in two

1128
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: thousand ten, and then about a year and a half later,

1129
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: I want to say, when they were relaunching the news

1130
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: division of dot com, UM had us be the editorial

1131
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: voice of it, and so Ston was a champion of us.

1132
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: And then Check. You know, I had no experience talking

1133
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: to him like zero. I never did it in college.

1134
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: I never did it after college. I was thirty years

1135
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: old and I was tired at the NFL. Mark, I

1136
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: know you didn't. You weren't someone that came from any

1137
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: deep broadcasting background. But Check started to have us on

1138
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: the podcast UH. In fact, they looked it up because

1139
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: I was feeling a little nostalgic UM today. And it

1140
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: was July nine, two thousand twelve, when Dave had Mark

1141
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: and I on the show for the first time, and

1142
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: we were on a few times, and that gave birth

1143
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: to the A t L Debate Club, which was a

1144
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: weekly mini pod featuring UH, just Mark and I tacked

1145
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: onto the back of Dave episodes, and then that spun

1146
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: out into UM. About a year later, Greg and West

1147
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: now in the Fold, and the UH This podcast which

1148
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: was the Around the League podcast and it's now the

1149
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, of course. And I was thinking

1150
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: about all this history this morning while listening to Dave's

1151
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: last show with and I know, like I said, he

1152
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: doesn't want us to make a big deal about him,

1153
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: and I know our relationship with him is going to continue,

1154
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: and we look forward to having him on the show

1155
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: again down the line, and maybe we'll cheat life one

1156
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: of those checks sayings and and attended Dodgers game one

1157
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: of his weekday Mattenee's once the World to gain some

1158
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: sense of normalcy. But as a podcast, I just wanted

1159
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: to say thank you today, both for the opportunities and

1160
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: for being such a fun person to work with all

1161
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: these years. And uh, I can't wait for what comes

1162
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: next from Dave because he's a truly talented and good dude. Yeah,

1163
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: i'd say real quick that. You know, I think justin

1164
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: Hathaway um encountered some resistance when he tried to put

1165
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: us in those roles of writers with opinion attached to

1166
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: the writing, and I'm sure Dave did too, and we

1167
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: never would have known about it. But the thing I

1168
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: could say about Dave is that that was um you know,

1169
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: almost ten years ago when he gave and if you listen,

1170
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: if you go back and listen to that first encounter

1171
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: with him on his show, I sound like a scared

1172
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: fifth grader. I mean, I I am off frame, no

1173
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: opinion of worth, and I don't even know how to

1174
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: speak into the mic at that point. But UM, the

1175
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: thing about Dave is that since that time, I think

1176
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: he's done that for about fifty other people who would

1177
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: have never naturally been given a role on any show. Uh.

1178
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: And you know it's it's some people from out of

1179
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: left field. And UM, I just think that that's who

1180
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: Dave is. And he, you know, he he could have

1181
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: said forget that. And even as our show became what

1182
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: it was, Um, it's the one person I always thought

1183
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: of that we never would have had our show. Um

1184
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: without Dave, one of us at least would not have

1185
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: been on this podcast, if not both of us, I

1186
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: don't know how it would evolve unfolded. But um, it

1187
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: doesn't happen without damnishek not not in the way that

1188
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: it that it has. He's he's a mensch, you know,

1189
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: to use the word from Dave and Isa, you know,

1190
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he he's a wise man. I mean he

1191
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: should after Siren as many children as as him. He

1192
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: is wise. But I do think of like a lot

1193
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: of his sayings like cheating life, Like I'll catch myself

1194
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: cheating life and think of Dave in that moment, because

1195
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: he has a way of like putting things, um so

1196
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: perfectly and then repeating them over and over so you

1197
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: never forget them. And it's like he's he's like inside

1198
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: of all of our heads sometimes. So what better compliment

1199
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: to a broadcaster than that. And we know he's gonna

1200
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: do other m great things, So I'm looking forward to

1201
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: what he's uh he's going to be announcing coming up. Yeah,

1202
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: and I might get it. I don't even know. I

1203
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: might get an annoyed text from Dave for us even

1204
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: talking about this, but I just thought it was important

1205
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: just because of all the things we just said. He

1206
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: was such an important figure to us. So best of luck,

1207
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: do you, Dave, and we will hear from you, uh

1208
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: down the road hopefully soon. All Right, that's it for

1209
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: today's show. Good show, good conversation, important conversation, and we'll

1210
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday, yes, talking about the See Titans

1211
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: and um whatever else comes across our plate, so thank

1212
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: you everybody for listening. Until then, this is Dan hands

1213
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: As signing off for the Quiet Storm the Old Boss

1214
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: rick Hollywood. Stay safe there, Ricky and everybody else Steve

1215
01:05:16,800 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: Wish of course, until Wednesday