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He is joining me from Las Vegas, 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:28.000 but from I'm sure Kevin is going to be boarding 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.280 a flight for Dubai soon to check out the Floyd 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.920 Mayweather DEGI Showdown No Doubt out in the United Arab Emirates. 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.240 I'll give this to Floyd Kevin. He was masterful as 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.120 a businessman during his active years, and he is masterful 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.600 as a businessman during his retired years. He keeps taking 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:52.320 on these no hopers making seven figures. You know, who 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.160 knows what to believe and how much does He's making 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.720 seven figures and just like getting workouts in and seeing 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:01.960 the world. It's it's the greatest retirement story that's ever 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.440 been written, I think, or at least in boxing. There's 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.160 a lot of people that said, oh, when Floyd retires, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.639 he's gonna be broke and he's not gonna have any money. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.040 And I'll tell you what, you got to give the 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.160 man credit. I mean, you know, he's fine. I don't 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.160 like these fights, of course, but you gotta give him credit. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.200 He's found a way to make an income, keep his 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.160 name in the news, and I think that that's going 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.440 to help him with other things, you know, endorsements and 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.600 things down the road, business opportunities, because he's just out 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.840 there so much. And you know, I mean this guy 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.280 that he's fighting lost to Jake Paul. I mean it's 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.360 not like he's actually, if you include exhibitions, I think 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.320 he's one in three as a boxer. He's the brother 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.359 of ks I is what he's best known as at 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.359 this point. And look, if there's a market for it's 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.560 gonna be streams. I mean, cass I's known in the 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.760 UK for sure, He's got an audience there. He's got 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.960 a huge social media fall. I always think a ks 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:57.639 I is a radio station, you know, but no, But 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.480 I mean it's gonna be on his own pay per view. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.440 He's gonna make a lot of money. I'm sure some 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.919 people watch it. I'm actually more intrigued to see Tommy 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.920 Fury on the undercard, just to see kind of you know, 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.280 as he has a potential opponent for Jake Paul down 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.239 the line, does he slap Jake Paul as he said 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.320 he was gonna Jake laws him? By the way, those 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.000 two guys like they know what they're doing. Like if 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.280 Tommy Fury slaps Jake Paul. It's not gonna be like 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.320 looking to hurt him. It's going to be looking to 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.480 build up uh buzz for a future fight. Well, what 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:26.919 he's gonna do is he's going to turn around a 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.839 look or the camera's pointing at me or everybody looking, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.000 and once he sees that they are, then he will slap. Well, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.440 there was a scene I don't know if you remember 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.360 this in Cleveland. They had kind of an interaction in 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.160 the hallway after Jake's fight, and one member I think 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.840 it was of Tommy's team kind of got serious in 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.160 the middle of it and Tommy and Jay were look 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:43.320 at him, what are you doing? No, no no, no, no, no, 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.080 we need the camera. We need this moment for social 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.640 media to build up our our fight. That their masters 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.440 at at that, and I think that'll be behind it. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.400 But look good to spend it back to Floyd. Good 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.440 for him. He has no interest in taking a real fight. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.640 He has no interest and why should he, nor should 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.040 he if you taking seven figures to travel the world 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.800 and beat up on these you know, first it was 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:06.920 a couple of guys over in Japan. Now it's a 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.360 social media influencer like Degi says it's gonna be back 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.520 in February in the UK. He can do this three 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.840 times a year and clear more than virtually everybody in 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.800 boxing at this point. No, I mean, it's it's masterful, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.680 and you know, it's amazing the change because I was around, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.880 you know, I I covered in person forty three of 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.000 Floyd's fifty fights, and I was around when he was 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.480 not a draw, and we used to write story Floyd 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.760 mayweller Kenna sell tickets and that was the truth back 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.760 in the day. And the change that he made. You know, 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.520 he's a genius now. I mean, and uh, you know, 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.720 he figured out how to make money and that character 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.080 still works now and there's still people that are into him, 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.360 and and uh, you know, I've had people ask me a, 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.800 do you think you'll find give Logan paula rematchin like 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.279 who cares? Who cares? He? Um, I wonder now that 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.680 I think of it. You're right, he wasn't a draw 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.040 early on. He had to go to Jersey to find 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.080 got he to get Gody's audience to to follow him. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.560 And I'll tell you this just to a real quick story. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.719 I was the first person to talk to him when 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.760 he changed to the money May character. And it was 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.760 in the buffet at Caesar's Atlantic City, and we're sitting 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.159 next to the buffet and the workers were getting ready 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.919 to open it up, and there's all the ice that 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.680 they put in a salad bar, and he's eating the 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.680 ice as we're sitting there. And I had a great 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.160 relationship with him. I had covered him actually the amateurs 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.360 at the Olympics um and so you know, we had 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.080 a good working relationship and he had been pretty boy Floyd, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.400 always easy going. All of a sudden, when I first 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.560 asked him a question, he started, you know, with the 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.400 money May stuff and like really going off, and I'm like, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.160 what the hell is going on here? And Lee, Samuel's 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.479 from top rank the Hall of Fame publicist, was going 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.240 to have a connection. I mean, he was sitting off 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.000 to the side and he didn't know what Floyd was doing. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.599 But and then once he finishes his interview and we 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.520 talked for about a half an iron, he's just ripping 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:48.919 gatty up and down. He looked at me and he 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.839 taps me on the leg and he winks. Look, it's 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:58.120 definitely a character that he purposefully became, and good for him. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.960 He did I've often wondered, like, yeah, not not to 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.520 say Devon Haney is Floyd, but at some point in 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:07.799 the next couple of years, if Devon Hanny remains unbeaten 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.320 and isn't as popular as he'd like to because he's 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.320 kind of similar in the sense he doesn't really draw anywhere, 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.840 doesn't have a home base. You know, maybe northern California 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.200 can get there, maybe Vegas he can get there. But 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.039 I wonder if he makes a similar he'll turn in 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.320 future years where it's like, fine, beat me, all right 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.440 if you want. You know, you can say I'm boring, 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.440 but you can't beat me. I wonder he's not as 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.720 talented as Floyd because he's very good. He's very good. Um, 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.480 he's more hittable I think at this stage than Floyd was. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.440 But I can see Devon Haney making a turn like 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.080 that and making a boatload of money off and down 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.080 the line. I think the problem for Devon is going 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.200 to be he loses to Shakur. That's what I think. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.320 You know, I'm a big Shakur fan, and I think 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.080 as a fighter, I think Shakoor is better than he is. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.200 I think Devon is awesome, you know, and That's why 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.560 I like that lightweight division. There's so many good fighters. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.160 But to your point, Chris, I think he could do that, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.800 right because Devin is a smart kid, right, and look 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.360 what he's been doing, you traveling all these fights. He's 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.160 you know, he was at the Zone fight. He goes 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.240 on the broadcast, he talks, he was, you know, at 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.240 the Loma fight just recently gone on the broadcast. He 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.000 went in the ring afterwards, um, and then he released 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:12.440 I don't know if you noticed that he released all 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.000 those pictures people were saying how fat he was after Loma. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.400 He got in the ring and he released pictures him 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.720 eating ice cream and pizza and all these different things, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.000 which was clever on his part. But I think he 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.480 needs more than that. And if he was a knockout artist, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.760 I would say he's okay, But he's not. You know, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.760 he doesn't have that kind of pop that really And 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.960 if he moves up, which I think everybody agrees he's 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.200 got maximum to maybe one more fight at lightweight and 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.200 he's going out, I don't I think his pop is 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.760 going to be even less. So as a result, I 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:40.960 think he needs to do something like Floyd did. I 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.200 don't think a Shaquar fight happens anytime soon. I think 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.520 it's one more fight at lightweight because you saw him 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.280 before the Loma Shanko fight, like he was amaciated getting 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:50.800 down to one five. 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I'll be at the 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.760 top ranked show on Saturday, headlined by the latest w 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.560 b O middleweight champion who will never fight anybody, Jennebec. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.199 And I'm not gonna try to pronounce the last names. 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.760 I've tried it seven times and I butchered it. Even 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.920 top ranks not even trying. Like they're putting in their 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.719 their hashtags. Is Jennebec as his as his hashtag? He 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.559 is defending his title uh this weekend, headlining a show 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.240 at the Palms. That's gonna be on ESPN plus UM. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.319 In two thousand eighteen, Demetrius Andreid won the w BO 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.000 version of the middleweight title. He spent three plus years 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.560 not getting a significant fight. I'm getting a similar feeling 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.000 here with Jane Beck. A hard hitting self defencions all 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.280 twelve pro fights, correct, but like, no, no, But I'm saying, like, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.400 as the w B middleweight title holder, I don't think 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.679 anybody's gonna fight He's a hard hitting southpaw. Like if 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:13.319 Demetrius Andreid, who was a you know, brash talking American 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.120 without a lot of power, couldn't get someone at the 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.079 top of the middleweight division to face him and unification fights, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.840 I have a hard time seeing jenne Beck getting those types. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.080 But I think there's a difference between Andred and and 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.559 and Jennebec can adds what you said, the punching power, 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.360 you know, uh, and Andreid was a guy that fought backwards, right, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.320 He's you know, awkward to fight and he just throws 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.080 everything off. You know. Jennet Janet back is not like that. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:37.920 I mean, you know, he's a good boxer, but we'll 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.640 see how good of a boxer he is, right he 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.760 you know, we know he can punch um. You know, 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.080 some people say it's the hardest puncher in the division. Already, 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.559 I want to say, let's see who he fights, right, 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.760 so I'm beating what was it Rob Brandt and Hassan 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.920 and Dom and guys like that, and who he beat 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.880 in the last fight. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, you're right, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.040 he's gotta face a Lee. But I don't think he 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.000 gets it, Like I don't think anybody's gonna line up 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.400 to fight him, Like who coming up from? That's the 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.440 title I won. I'm gonna fight Jen And he's calling 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.280 out Charlo, Like, you know, Charlot has not fought anybody 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.360 since he won them, you know, middleweight title. You're not 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.480 going to see him and do that, Charlotte. As as 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.960 we're recording this, the BBC is having their convention. They're 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:15.880 gonna do anything about Jamal Charlotte at this point, he's 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.880 been off for over a year, like holding that belt 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.360 hostage at this point, I don't I don't understand how 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.440 that works and and how there are reporters actually an 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.280 Acapulco who do not call them on these kind of 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.280 things and right about it instead of just saying here's 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.079 what they ordered. Call them on these kind of things, 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.480 you know, and that I try to write that kind 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.640 of stuff and and call out and I get caught, 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.640 you know, ripped for being negative. I wrote a story 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.599 last week and said boxing is great, the sport of 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:45.760 boxing is great, but the business of boxing sucks, and 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.040 all these you know boxing writers, uh, you know, Oh, 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.480 he's negative, he's this, he's at and they're pointing to 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.040 fights between two guys that you know, you and I 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.640 heard of, but the average public has no ideas they 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.640 are is an example of something good in boxing? And 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.280 you know, I think if you want to do something 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.320 good for boxing, go to that WBC convention in a 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.240 copul call and call them on and say what are 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.520 you gonna do about this? And force him to fight. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.000 But if they have no public pressure from the media, 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.920 then they're gonna do you know, They're gonna just let 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.440 these kind of things happen. It's just ridiculous. I mean, look, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.600 the other example of it is rank, and it's small potatoes, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.440 I guess. But ranking Keith Thurman, head of Virgil Ortiz 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.800 the WBC ranks, how do you explain that Keith Thurman 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.240 has had what one win since the Pacao fight like 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.280 Virgil Tis has been active, He's been knocking guys out, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.000 He's been increasing his level of competition every single time. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.520 How do you have Keith Thurman ahead of Ortez if 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:38.760 only because you want to have presented as a potential 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:44.280 mandatory Ferrell Spence. That's laughable what they're doing there, um 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.120 So to spend it back to jennebec here for a second, Like, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.960 I think he's exceptionally talented. Buddy mcgart negus claims thinks 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.200 he's the best fighter of this generation. Like they're talking 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.040 a lot about Jenna Beck. I love him. I love 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:01.000 Buddy tremendous Randers as surge as a train in recent years. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.559 Vegas is approven talent evaluator over the years. But I'm 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.920 with you, I need to see him against better guys. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:08.600 I just don't know who that guy is. Like Himan 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.760 Monghia has been named as his mandatory. There is a 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.760 better chance of you getting the ring with Janda back 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.560 than Heimi Monkey and doing it. Huh. I mean, what 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:19.000 Golden Boy is getting away with with heim Mongia is unbelievable. 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.559 The opponents that they are coming on. Fernando Beltran too 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.520 there a little bit and it's on both of them 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.200 that with the But you know, I got to know 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.360 Fernando Beltron uh in the nineties when Fernando Beltron had 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.680 you know, Eric Morales and and r Say and all 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.200 those guys, and they fought everybody, And of course that's 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.480 a lot to do with the fighter. But I mean, 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.120 you know himI Mungia, now you know what he got 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.720 turned on for the Golofkin fight, what was except eighteen 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.920 and eighteen. Tom Loffler wanted to have him fight Golofkin 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.400 and eighteen. So that told me, hey, this guy had 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.040 some you know, intestinal fortitude that he's willing to take 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.400 on Golofkin at such a young age and a prime 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.440 Golofkin at that point. So I don't think it's him. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.240 I think it's the people around him saying, we don't 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.840 believe in him, and he's we're gonna lose our gravy 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.800 train if we put him in with somebody who can 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.840 actually fight, and so Oscar and Fernando and whoever else 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.720 is on the management team. Erik Gohme is um. All 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.480 these people, they just they find soft touch after soft 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.040 touch after soft touch, and we're really not getting to 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.640 see what this guy has. The amazing thing to me 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.640 is that if he fought Jamal Charlotte right now, I'd 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.400 make him a slight favorite. If he fought Ganadi Gallofkin 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.680 right now, I'd make him a slight favorite. I think 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.280 he's improved that much over the last couple of years. 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.200 I've I've had the opportunity to call most of his 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.280 recent fights, and I think his defense is getting a 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.480 little bit better. His offense is getting exponentially better. He 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.320 throws six, seven, eight punch combinations every single time. He 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.880 has a great shin like. He's shown that he rarely 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.000 has anything coming back. So if you have in one 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.400 round the guy fires back at you, you know your 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.360 defense and your offense can also be good because you 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.320 know you're not worried as much. Right you know you're 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.200 in there against Charlo and you know he can hit, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.200 and you know, whatever you think of Charlo, and I agree, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.680 there's inherent problems with with Charlo, but you know, you 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.360 know he can hit, and he's quick and he's athletic, 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.920 and so he's going to create, you know, issues, and 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.880 you know him he's fighting these guys that he's a 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.680 twenty to one favorite. You know, I mean, it's ridiculous, 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.920 and you know, the public deserves better, the you know, 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.600 the television deserves better, and and he deserves better. And 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.360 I think he has some talent, like the fact, you know, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.600 when he beat Um, I was gonna say, Oba car, 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.680 who was it that he Beatsto? No, not Caprisotto, the 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.360 welterweight that he beat uh for for a title, um 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.400 Um the slick boxer, the one that beat Codo. And 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.840 I'm blanking okay, we're both, but who you know, he 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.880 could fight. He was a good you know, much smaller, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.800 but he moved up to UH one fifty four or 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.280 fought and I thought at that point, hey, this kid 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.360 is you know, it's got something in him. And then 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.800 he wanted to fight Glofkin right after that. But now, 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:01.600 like the fact that he's so acquiescent to what his 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.320 management wants to do tells me, you know that he's 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.840 he's willing just to pick up paychecks and not really 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.000 you know, I loved what Dmitri Bivil said last week 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.160 to you in the ring, it's not about money, it's 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.040 about legacy. And to me, when I heard that, I just, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.800 you know, I mean, I felt so good because That's 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.040 what I've been dying to hear fighters say. And God 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.760 bless you Dmitri Bivil for saying that. I believe him too. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.720 You know, I believe, all things being equal, Dmitri bevil 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.760 would happily take an archer better be a fight over Canelo, 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.720 even if the money was not as as substantial. So 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.640 I think he's about that legy. So let's talk about 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:40.440 be Evil for a second, coming off the win over Um, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.440 coming off the win in Abu Dhabi this weekend, I'm 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.800 black Gilbert Ramirez of course, coming off the win over 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:50.200 Zero up second straight big win of the year for 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.760 Dmitri Bevil. Um. First of all, what did you think 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.280 about his performance last weekend? I thought he looked good. Um. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.480 I think what did I have attended to? I believe 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.760 I had it right around there? Um, And I just 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.080 thought Zero did not fight right. I mean, I was 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.080 disappointed in Zero, like, and Zero is another guy. He 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.520 had been matched easily almost his whole career. Like, his 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.720 hardest fights were probably Jesse Hart and just Jesse Harts 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.919 a tough guy, but he's not an elite boxer, and 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.199 that was Zero's toughest fight. So now you get up 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.600 to a guy, a world class guy, you know, arguably 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.720 a top ten pound for pound guy, and he was 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.800 in over his head and I think he realized that, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.280 and you know he Bivill was quicker. Bivill is a 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.399 better boxer, and I think Bivill was actually the bigger 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.760 puncher of the two. Right, Bivill wasn't sitting down on 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.480 his puncious because he didn't need to take the risk. 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.920 But I think of Zero was firing back at him. 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.200 But I I was really impressed with with Bivil and 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.200 he shows movement in the ring, He has different combinations, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.280 and he's smart. You know, he makes adjustments on the fly. Um, 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.200 I was really impressed. I'll tell you what, I love 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.399 Arthur better BF, but that is a tough fight for 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.960 better BF is I mean better b of hits you 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:57.680 and you're in trouble. But I good luck hitting the 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:02.760 dry Bivil with a good one too. Bevil has tremendous footwork, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.720 tremendous defense, and he does punch hard like He's not 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.680 the knockout artist we thought he was gonna be when 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.359 he was coming up the ranks on HBO knocking out everybody. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.520 Sullivan Barrera was on that hitlist early on. But he's 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.119 not a light puncher by any stretch. If he was, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.600 Gilberto Ramirez would have come forward, and he didn't. He 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.600 was fighting most of that fight going backwards, and he 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.639 fought that little crouch because and I think you know, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.680 he wanted to make himself a more difficult target because 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.000 he felt what was coming at him. Yeah. Look, one 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.440 of the big questions we had coming in was what 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.639 was Gilberto Ramires really made up? He was five and 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.800 oh at light heavyweight, but he had faced sea level competition. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.919 At best. You'd probably say unsky Gonzalez might have been 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.240 the best fighter he had faced. And I don't blame 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.200 Ramires for that because two of those fights were Manda, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.080 were eliminators. So he's got to put himself in position 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.840 to force the fight against Pevil because if he hadn't, 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.720 people would have fought Blatzi on that weekend and he 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.120 would have been in that position. But in that fight 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:06.359 we learned that maybe zerdo you know, certainly not the 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.920