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Speaker 1: Kevin Iolie is here, senior combat sports writer, boxing writer
Speaker 1: over at Yahoo Sports. He is joining me from Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: but from I'm sure Kevin is going to be boarding
Speaker 1: a flight for Dubai soon to check out the Floyd
Speaker 1: Mayweather DEGI Showdown No Doubt out in the United Arab Emirates.
Speaker 1: I'll give this to Floyd Kevin. He was masterful as
Speaker 1: a businessman during his active years, and he is masterful
Speaker 1: as a businessman during his retired years. He keeps taking
Speaker 1: on these no hopers making seven figures. You know, who
Speaker 1: knows what to believe and how much does He's making
Speaker 1: seven figures and just like getting workouts in and seeing
Speaker 1: the world. It's it's the greatest retirement story that's ever
Speaker 1: been written, I think, or at least in boxing. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that said, oh, when Floyd retires,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be broke and he's not gonna have any money.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, you got to give the
Speaker 1: man credit. I mean, you know, he's fine. I don't
Speaker 1: like these fights, of course, but you gotta give him credit.
Speaker 1: He's found a way to make an income, keep his
Speaker 1: name in the news, and I think that that's going
Speaker 1: to help him with other things, you know, endorsements and
Speaker 1: things down the road, business opportunities, because he's just out
Speaker 1: there so much. And you know, I mean this guy
Speaker 1: that he's fighting lost to Jake Paul. I mean it's
Speaker 1: not like he's actually, if you include exhibitions, I think
Speaker 1: he's one in three as a boxer. He's the brother
Speaker 1: of ks I is what he's best known as at
Speaker 1: this point. And look, if there's a market for it's
Speaker 1: gonna be streams. I mean, cass I's known in the
Speaker 1: UK for sure, He's got an audience there. He's got
Speaker 1: a huge social media fall. I always think a ks
Speaker 1: I is a radio station, you know, but no, But
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be on his own pay per view.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make a lot of money. I'm sure some
Speaker 1: people watch it. I'm actually more intrigued to see Tommy
Speaker 1: Fury on the undercard, just to see kind of you know,
Speaker 1: as he has a potential opponent for Jake Paul down
Speaker 1: the line, does he slap Jake Paul as he said
Speaker 1: he was gonna Jake laws him? By the way, those
Speaker 1: two guys like they know what they're doing. Like if
Speaker 1: Tommy Fury slaps Jake Paul. It's not gonna be like
Speaker 1: looking to hurt him. It's going to be looking to
Speaker 1: build up uh buzz for a future fight. Well, what
Speaker 1: he's gonna do is he's going to turn around a
Speaker 1: look or the camera's pointing at me or everybody looking,
Speaker 1: and once he sees that they are, then he will slap. Well,
Speaker 1: there was a scene I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: this in Cleveland. They had kind of an interaction in
Speaker 1: the hallway after Jake's fight, and one member I think
Speaker 1: it was of Tommy's team kind of got serious in
Speaker 1: the middle of it and Tommy and Jay were look
Speaker 1: at him, what are you doing? No, no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we need the camera. We need this moment for social
Speaker 1: media to build up our our fight. That their masters
Speaker 1: at at that, and I think that'll be behind it.
Speaker 1: But look good to spend it back to Floyd. Good
Speaker 1: for him. He has no interest in taking a real fight.
Speaker 1: He has no interest and why should he, nor should
Speaker 1: he if you taking seven figures to travel the world
Speaker 1: and beat up on these you know, first it was
Speaker 1: a couple of guys over in Japan. Now it's a
Speaker 1: social media influencer like Degi says it's gonna be back
Speaker 1: in February in the UK. He can do this three
Speaker 1: times a year and clear more than virtually everybody in
Speaker 1: boxing at this point. No, I mean, it's it's masterful,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's amazing the change because I was around,
Speaker 1: you know, I I covered in person forty three of
Speaker 1: Floyd's fifty fights, and I was around when he was
Speaker 1: not a draw, and we used to write story Floyd
Speaker 1: mayweller Kenna sell tickets and that was the truth back
Speaker 1: in the day. And the change that he made. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a genius now. I mean, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he figured out how to make money and that character
Speaker 1: still works now and there's still people that are into him,
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, I've had people ask me a,
Speaker 1: do you think you'll find give Logan paula rematchin like
Speaker 1: who cares? Who cares? He? Um, I wonder now that
Speaker 1: I think of it. You're right, he wasn't a draw
Speaker 1: early on. He had to go to Jersey to find
Speaker 1: got he to get Gody's audience to to follow him.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this just to a real quick story.
Speaker 1: I was the first person to talk to him when
Speaker 1: he changed to the money May character. And it was
Speaker 1: in the buffet at Caesar's Atlantic City, and we're sitting
Speaker 1: next to the buffet and the workers were getting ready
Speaker 1: to open it up, and there's all the ice that
Speaker 1: they put in a salad bar, and he's eating the
Speaker 1: ice as we're sitting there. And I had a great
Speaker 1: relationship with him. I had covered him actually the amateurs
Speaker 1: at the Olympics um and so you know, we had
Speaker 1: a good working relationship and he had been pretty boy Floyd,
Speaker 1: always easy going. All of a sudden, when I first
Speaker 1: asked him a question, he started, you know, with the
Speaker 1: money May stuff and like really going off, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? And Lee, Samuel's
Speaker 1: from top rank the Hall of Fame publicist, was going
Speaker 1: to have a connection. I mean, he was sitting off
Speaker 1: to the side and he didn't know what Floyd was doing.
Speaker 1: But and then once he finishes his interview and we
Speaker 1: talked for about a half an iron, he's just ripping
Speaker 1: gatty up and down. He looked at me and he
Speaker 1: taps me on the leg and he winks. Look, it's
Speaker 1: definitely a character that he purposefully became, and good for him.
Speaker 1: He did I've often wondered, like, yeah, not not to
Speaker 1: say Devon Haney is Floyd, but at some point in
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, if Devon Hanny remains unbeaten
Speaker 1: and isn't as popular as he'd like to because he's
Speaker 1: kind of similar in the sense he doesn't really draw anywhere,
Speaker 1: doesn't have a home base. You know, maybe northern California
Speaker 1: can get there, maybe Vegas he can get there. But
Speaker 1: I wonder if he makes a similar he'll turn in
Speaker 1: future years where it's like, fine, beat me, all right
Speaker 1: if you want. You know, you can say I'm boring,
Speaker 1: but you can't beat me. I wonder he's not as
Speaker 1: talented as Floyd because he's very good. He's very good. Um,
Speaker 1: he's more hittable I think at this stage than Floyd was.
Speaker 1: But I can see Devon Haney making a turn like
Speaker 1: that and making a boatload of money off and down
Speaker 1: the line. I think the problem for Devon is going
Speaker 1: to be he loses to Shakur. That's what I think.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big Shakur fan, and I think
Speaker 1: as a fighter, I think Shakoor is better than he is.
Speaker 1: I think Devon is awesome, you know, and That's why
Speaker 1: I like that lightweight division. There's so many good fighters.
Speaker 1: But to your point, Chris, I think he could do that,
Speaker 1: right because Devin is a smart kid, right, and look
Speaker 1: what he's been doing, you traveling all these fights. He's
Speaker 1: you know, he was at the Zone fight. He goes
Speaker 1: on the broadcast, he talks, he was, you know, at
Speaker 1: the Loma fight just recently gone on the broadcast. He
Speaker 1: went in the ring afterwards, um, and then he released
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed that he released all
Speaker 1: those pictures people were saying how fat he was after Loma.
Speaker 1: He got in the ring and he released pictures him
Speaker 1: eating ice cream and pizza and all these different things,
Speaker 1: which was clever on his part. But I think he
Speaker 1: needs more than that. And if he was a knockout artist,
Speaker 1: I would say he's okay, But he's not. You know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that kind of pop that really And
Speaker 1: if he moves up, which I think everybody agrees he's
Speaker 1: got maximum to maybe one more fight at lightweight and
Speaker 1: he's going out, I don't I think his pop is
Speaker 1: going to be even less. So as a result, I
Speaker 1: think he needs to do something like Floyd did. I
Speaker 1: don't think a Shaquar fight happens anytime soon. I think
Speaker 1: it's one more fight at lightweight because you saw him
Speaker 1: before the Loma Shanko fight, like he was amaciated getting
Speaker 1: down to one five. Like do it for Loma because
Speaker 1: that's a career defining fight. But after that, go up
Speaker 1: to one forty where you can be physically stronger and
Speaker 1: maybe your power gets a little bit better at a
Speaker 1: higher weight class. I don't know, but he's I think
Speaker 1: he's got a big future and I'm curious see where
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Speaker 1: So we are in Las Vegas. I'll be at the
Speaker 1: top ranked show on Saturday, headlined by the latest w
Speaker 1: b O middleweight champion who will never fight anybody, Jennebec.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna try to pronounce the last names.
Speaker 1: I've tried it seven times and I butchered it. Even
Speaker 1: top ranks not even trying. Like they're putting in their
Speaker 1: their hashtags. Is Jennebec as his as his hashtag? He
Speaker 1: is defending his title uh this weekend, headlining a show
Speaker 1: at the Palms. That's gonna be on ESPN plus UM.
Speaker 1: In two thousand eighteen, Demetrius Andreid won the w BO
Speaker 1: version of the middleweight title. He spent three plus years
Speaker 1: not getting a significant fight. I'm getting a similar feeling
Speaker 1: here with Jane Beck. A hard hitting self defencions all
Speaker 1: twelve pro fights, correct, but like, no, no, But I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: as the w B middleweight title holder, I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's gonna fight He's a hard hitting southpaw. Like if
Speaker 1: Demetrius Andreid, who was a you know, brash talking American
Speaker 1: without a lot of power, couldn't get someone at the
Speaker 1: top of the middleweight division to face him and unification fights,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing jenne Beck getting those types.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a difference between Andred and and
Speaker 1: and Jennebec can adds what you said, the punching power,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, and Andreid was a guy that fought backwards, right,
Speaker 1: He's you know, awkward to fight and he just throws
Speaker 1: everything off. You know. Jennet Janet back is not like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's a good boxer, but we'll
Speaker 1: see how good of a boxer he is, right he
Speaker 1: you know, we know he can punch um. You know,
Speaker 1: some people say it's the hardest puncher in the division. Already,
Speaker 1: I want to say, let's see who he fights, right,
Speaker 1: so I'm beating what was it Rob Brandt and Hassan
Speaker 1: and Dom and guys like that, and who he beat
Speaker 1: in the last fight. Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: he's gotta face a Lee. But I don't think he
Speaker 1: gets it, Like I don't think anybody's gonna line up
Speaker 1: to fight him, Like who coming up from? That's the
Speaker 1: title I won. I'm gonna fight Jen And he's calling
Speaker 1: out Charlo, Like, you know, Charlot has not fought anybody
Speaker 1: since he won them, you know, middleweight title. You're not
Speaker 1: going to see him and do that, Charlotte. As as
Speaker 1: we're recording this, the BBC is having their convention. They're
Speaker 1: gonna do anything about Jamal Charlotte at this point, he's
Speaker 1: been off for over a year, like holding that belt
Speaker 1: hostage at this point, I don't I don't understand how
Speaker 1: that works and and how there are reporters actually an
Speaker 1: Acapulco who do not call them on these kind of
Speaker 1: things and right about it instead of just saying here's
Speaker 1: what they ordered. Call them on these kind of things,
Speaker 1: you know, and that I try to write that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff and and call out and I get caught,
Speaker 1: you know, ripped for being negative. I wrote a story
Speaker 1: last week and said boxing is great, the sport of
Speaker 1: boxing is great, but the business of boxing sucks, and
Speaker 1: all these you know boxing writers, uh, you know, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's negative, he's this, he's at and they're pointing to
Speaker 1: fights between two guys that you know, you and I
Speaker 1: heard of, but the average public has no ideas they
Speaker 1: are is an example of something good in boxing? And
Speaker 1: you know, I think if you want to do something
Speaker 1: good for boxing, go to that WBC convention in a
Speaker 1: copul call and call them on and say what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do about this? And force him to fight.
Speaker 1: But if they have no public pressure from the media,
Speaker 1: then they're gonna do you know, They're gonna just let
Speaker 1: these kind of things happen. It's just ridiculous. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: the other example of it is rank, and it's small potatoes,
Speaker 1: I guess. But ranking Keith Thurman, head of Virgil Ortiz
Speaker 1: the WBC ranks, how do you explain that Keith Thurman
Speaker 1: has had what one win since the Pacao fight like
Speaker 1: Virgil Tis has been active, He's been knocking guys out,
Speaker 1: He's been increasing his level of competition every single time.
Speaker 1: How do you have Keith Thurman ahead of Ortez if
Speaker 1: only because you want to have presented as a potential
Speaker 1: mandatory Ferrell Spence. That's laughable what they're doing there, um
Speaker 1: So to spend it back to jennebec here for a second, Like,
Speaker 1: I think he's exceptionally talented. Buddy mcgart negus claims thinks
Speaker 1: he's the best fighter of this generation. Like they're talking
Speaker 1: a lot about Jenna Beck. I love him. I love
Speaker 1: Buddy tremendous Randers as surge as a train in recent years.
Speaker 1: Vegas is approven talent evaluator over the years. But I'm
Speaker 1: with you, I need to see him against better guys.
Speaker 1: I just don't know who that guy is. Like Himan
Speaker 1: Monghia has been named as his mandatory. There is a
Speaker 1: better chance of you getting the ring with Janda back
Speaker 1: than Heimi Monkey and doing it. Huh. I mean, what
Speaker 1: Golden Boy is getting away with with heim Mongia is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: The opponents that they are coming on. Fernando Beltran too
Speaker 1: there a little bit and it's on both of them
Speaker 1: that with the But you know, I got to know
Speaker 1: Fernando Beltron uh in the nineties when Fernando Beltron had
Speaker 1: you know, Eric Morales and and r Say and all
Speaker 1: those guys, and they fought everybody, And of course that's
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the fighter. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know himI Mungia, now you know what he got
Speaker 1: turned on for the Golofkin fight, what was except eighteen
Speaker 1: and eighteen. Tom Loffler wanted to have him fight Golofkin
Speaker 1: and eighteen. So that told me, hey, this guy had
Speaker 1: some you know, intestinal fortitude that he's willing to take
Speaker 1: on Golofkin at such a young age and a prime
Speaker 1: Golofkin at that point. So I don't think it's him.
Speaker 1: I think it's the people around him saying, we don't
Speaker 1: believe in him, and he's we're gonna lose our gravy
Speaker 1: train if we put him in with somebody who can
Speaker 1: actually fight, and so Oscar and Fernando and whoever else
Speaker 1: is on the management team. Erik Gohme is um. All
Speaker 1: these people, they just they find soft touch after soft
Speaker 1: touch after soft touch, and we're really not getting to
Speaker 1: see what this guy has. The amazing thing to me
Speaker 1: is that if he fought Jamal Charlotte right now, I'd
Speaker 1: make him a slight favorite. If he fought Ganadi Gallofkin
Speaker 1: right now, I'd make him a slight favorite. I think
Speaker 1: he's improved that much over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I've I've had the opportunity to call most of his
Speaker 1: recent fights, and I think his defense is getting a
Speaker 1: little bit better. His offense is getting exponentially better. He
Speaker 1: throws six, seven, eight punch combinations every single time. He
Speaker 1: has a great shin like. He's shown that he rarely
Speaker 1: has anything coming back. So if you have in one
Speaker 1: round the guy fires back at you, you know your
Speaker 1: defense and your offense can also be good because you
Speaker 1: know you're not worried as much. Right you know you're
Speaker 1: in there against Charlo and you know he can hit,
Speaker 1: and you know, whatever you think of Charlo, and I agree,
Speaker 1: there's inherent problems with with Charlo, but you know, you
Speaker 1: know he can hit, and he's quick and he's athletic,
Speaker 1: and so he's going to create, you know, issues, and
Speaker 1: you know him he's fighting these guys that he's a
Speaker 1: twenty to one favorite. You know, I mean, it's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and you know, the public deserves better, the you know,
Speaker 1: the television deserves better, and and he deserves better. And
Speaker 1: I think he has some talent, like the fact, you know,
Speaker 1: when he beat Um, I was gonna say, Oba car,
Speaker 1: who was it that he Beatsto? No, not Caprisotto, the
Speaker 1: welterweight that he beat uh for for a title, um
Speaker 1: Um the slick boxer, the one that beat Codo. And
Speaker 1: I'm blanking okay, we're both, but who you know, he
Speaker 1: could fight. He was a good you know, much smaller,
Speaker 1: but he moved up to UH one fifty four or
Speaker 1: fought and I thought at that point, hey, this kid
Speaker 1: is you know, it's got something in him. And then
Speaker 1: he wanted to fight Glofkin right after that. But now,
Speaker 1: like the fact that he's so acquiescent to what his
Speaker 1: management wants to do tells me, you know that he's
Speaker 1: he's willing just to pick up paychecks and not really
Speaker 1: you know, I loved what Dmitri Bivil said last week
Speaker 1: to you in the ring, it's not about money, it's
Speaker 1: about legacy. And to me, when I heard that, I just,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I felt so good because That's
Speaker 1: what I've been dying to hear fighters say. And God
Speaker 1: bless you Dmitri Bivil for saying that. I believe him too.
Speaker 1: You know, I believe, all things being equal, Dmitri bevil
Speaker 1: would happily take an archer better be a fight over Canelo,
Speaker 1: even if the money was not as as substantial. So
Speaker 1: I think he's about that legy. So let's talk about
Speaker 1: be Evil for a second, coming off the win over Um,
Speaker 1: coming off the win in Abu Dhabi this weekend, I'm
Speaker 1: black Gilbert Ramirez of course, coming off the win over
Speaker 1: Zero up second straight big win of the year for
Speaker 1: Dmitri Bevil. Um. First of all, what did you think
Speaker 1: about his performance last weekend? I thought he looked good. Um.
Speaker 1: I think what did I have attended to? I believe
Speaker 1: I had it right around there? Um, And I just
Speaker 1: thought Zero did not fight right. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: disappointed in Zero, like, and Zero is another guy. He
Speaker 1: had been matched easily almost his whole career. Like, his
Speaker 1: hardest fights were probably Jesse Hart and just Jesse Harts
Speaker 1: a tough guy, but he's not an elite boxer, and
Speaker 1: that was Zero's toughest fight. So now you get up
Speaker 1: to a guy, a world class guy, you know, arguably
Speaker 1: a top ten pound for pound guy, and he was
Speaker 1: in over his head and I think he realized that,
Speaker 1: and you know he Bivill was quicker. Bivill is a
Speaker 1: better boxer, and I think Bivill was actually the bigger
Speaker 1: puncher of the two. Right, Bivill wasn't sitting down on
Speaker 1: his puncious because he didn't need to take the risk.
Speaker 1: But I think of Zero was firing back at him.
Speaker 1: But I I was really impressed with with Bivil and
Speaker 1: he shows movement in the ring, He has different combinations,
Speaker 1: and he's smart. You know, he makes adjustments on the fly. Um,
Speaker 1: I was really impressed. I'll tell you what, I love
Speaker 1: Arthur better BF, but that is a tough fight for
Speaker 1: better BF is I mean better b of hits you
Speaker 1: and you're in trouble. But I good luck hitting the
Speaker 1: dry Bivil with a good one too. Bevil has tremendous footwork,
Speaker 1: tremendous defense, and he does punch hard like He's not
Speaker 1: the knockout artist we thought he was gonna be when
Speaker 1: he was coming up the ranks on HBO knocking out everybody.
Speaker 1: Sullivan Barrera was on that hitlist early on. But he's
Speaker 1: not a light puncher by any stretch. If he was,
Speaker 1: Gilberto Ramirez would have come forward, and he didn't. He
Speaker 1: was fighting most of that fight going backwards, and he
Speaker 1: fought that little crouch because and I think you know,
Speaker 1: he wanted to make himself a more difficult target because
Speaker 1: he felt what was coming at him. Yeah. Look, one
Speaker 1: of the big questions we had coming in was what
Speaker 1: was Gilberto Ramires really made up? He was five and
Speaker 1: oh at light heavyweight, but he had faced sea level competition.
Speaker 1: At best. You'd probably say unsky Gonzalez might have been
Speaker 1: the best fighter he had faced. And I don't blame
Speaker 1: Ramires for that because two of those fights were Manda,
Speaker 1: were eliminators. So he's got to put himself in position
Speaker 1: to force the fight against Pevil because if he hadn't,
Speaker 1: people would have fought Blatzi on that weekend and he
Speaker 1: would have been in that position. But in that fight
Speaker 1: we learned that maybe zerdo you know, certainly not the
Speaker 1: power punch we thought he was at one. All that
Speaker 1: being said, I don't blame like people are pilot on
Speaker 1: Zert a little bit. What do you the guy fought
Speaker 1: the best guy like he fought a top ten pound
Speaker 1: for pound guy. We want him to avoid these fights,
Speaker 1: like do we want him to be like with you?
Speaker 1: Like like I criticized him to a certain degree, I
Speaker 1: said he was exposed, but I I wasn't criticizing him for,
Speaker 1: especially at light heavyweight, what he had done, but I
Speaker 1: was saying I was criticizing his management team right, his
Speaker 1: old management team and his new management team, because you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta like I wish him boxing, they would learn
Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of smart people out there,
Speaker 1: but something they still worry about losses like that. I
Speaker 1: don't think the TV networks care as much about losses
Speaker 1: as these managers and some fans seem to think they do.
Speaker 1: You know what, if you show up and you'd give
Speaker 1: me a good fight, people people are gonna want to
Speaker 1: see you, and the networks are gonna want to put
Speaker 1: you on. And I think that they just were so
Speaker 1: low risk. Was Zero that the first really good fighter
Speaker 1: he fought. There's no question Bibill's in a a fighter,
Speaker 1: you know um, And when he got in the ring
Speaker 1: with an a fighter, he was ill equipped to deal
Speaker 1: with it. And I think Zero is talented enough that
Speaker 1: had he seen that prior, you know, maybe you're not
Speaker 1: going to see a Dmitri bibl prior, but you know
Speaker 1: some better. You know, there was some good guys at
Speaker 1: sixty eight when he was there. He could have fought
Speaker 1: some of those guys. He would have been more equipped
Speaker 1: for this, and I think would have been it had
Speaker 1: a better chance to winning. I don't think he would
Speaker 1: ever won that fight, but he would have had a chance.
Speaker 1: And even if you lose in boxing, if you get
Speaker 1: one low level win, you were all the way back.
Speaker 1: And it's like, all right now we want to see
Speaker 1: him back. If if zero went out and knock somebody
Speaker 1: out in his next fight, be like, well, is he
Speaker 1: gonna fight a cruise way? He's gonna fight for a title? There?
Speaker 1: I mean losses, we could go all day long on
Speaker 1: that don't mean anything, all right. The question now for
Speaker 1: Dmitri people going forward is what's next? Um It certainly
Speaker 1: sounds like Archer betterbe is headed forward. That fight against
Speaker 1: the Anthony Yard in the first quarter January February is
Speaker 1: something like at um, it's a w B, a mandatory.
Speaker 1: He's got to do it to keep his belts. It's
Speaker 1: already signed field and delivered accord to people have talked
Speaker 1: to you with with top rank um. But if there's
Speaker 1: an option for be Evil in like May or June
Speaker 1: of next year, what's the bigger fight for him in
Speaker 1: your mind? Is it that unification fight with Archer betterbev
Speaker 1: or is it a rematch with Canelo, a generational pound
Speaker 1: for pound talent which could conceivably take place at a
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight pounds, which would put people in
Speaker 1: position to fight for the undisputed championship there. He commented
Speaker 1: to you in the ring in Abu Dhabi, and I
Speaker 1: think he showed you, you know, I mean he said,
Speaker 1: that's I'm not I'm a light heavyweight, and you know
Speaker 1: that's a tough cut. You know, he's he's an amazing athlete.
Speaker 1: He's lean and at one five. Now you're gonna ask
Speaker 1: him to take seven pounds off against the world class
Speaker 1: fighter like Canelo. Um, you know, that is a really,
Speaker 1: really difficult thing to do. I think of his team
Speaker 1: and he you know, if they get a nutritionist and
Speaker 1: they feel like they can make it, that fight is
Speaker 1: both a money fight and a legacy fight. So it
Speaker 1: gives you both because if you beat Canello. I think
Speaker 1: he put yourself in the Hall of Fame. Give him
Speaker 1: when he's already done. That is, you know, he may
Speaker 1: be in now as it is anyways, but I think
Speaker 1: if you beat Canello a second time, you are a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. You've done that. You're stamping yourself. Is
Speaker 1: one of the greatest fighters in the world. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt he would be in the top five pound for
Speaker 1: pound at that point. You know, some people have him
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Now some people have them just
Speaker 1: outside the top ten. He's in if he does that.
Speaker 1: But if you know on the side of fighting better
Speaker 1: b of you know you're gonna go up against maybe
Speaker 1: like the Mike Tyson of light heavyweights, a guy what
Speaker 1: is he is? He's seventeen to know, with seventeen knocks,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know just I mean, he just
Speaker 1: destroyed Joe Smith, a pretty good, solid fighter, great and
Speaker 1: he destroys him. It wasn't even so if you go
Speaker 1: in there and you win the undisputed light heavyweight title
Speaker 1: by beating that guy, I think again, you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna like, hey, when you cop it on top of
Speaker 1: his his win over canell O, and that again, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy saying, hey, this is a Hall of Fame fighter. Um,
Speaker 1: so he has good choices to make, you know. Obviously
Speaker 1: the Cannelo fight is going to be the richer fight.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they can do this, if they could
Speaker 1: have Cannello, excuse me, Bibbl and better Be have come
Speaker 1: back and maybe May and fight like after Cannelo does,
Speaker 1: and then them fighting September on the rematch and and
Speaker 1: do it that way. I don't know who you would
Speaker 1: put Cannelo within the introim if you did that, but
Speaker 1: I think that might be something for for Bibbl's team
Speaker 1: that now he's the undisputed light heavyweight champion going up
Speaker 1: against the undisputed and they can pull a Sugar Raylan
Speaker 1: or Donni la Lan thing. We're weighing at one and
Speaker 1: you're fighting for undispeter to both classes. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: You could do both sugar rates certainly did it. I
Speaker 1: would better Be doesn't just beat guys ends careers at
Speaker 1: one point, and did Alexander Vastick's career unclear if we
Speaker 1: see Joe Smith ever again back in the ring. Um,
Speaker 1: if I'm Bevil and I can in a healthy way
Speaker 1: get down into one sight, I would push for that
Speaker 1: fight because not only is there a lot of money, um,
Speaker 1: you would be the favorite going in. You would have
Speaker 1: a chance to win all the belts at one eight
Speaker 1: and do what nobody has ever done, which is when
Speaker 1: two undisputed champions on the men's side, respect Claressa Shields
Speaker 1: on the men's I went two undisputed championships and do
Speaker 1: it in two fights like that would be a really
Speaker 1: remarkable and historical accomplishment. It all comes down to his
Speaker 1: ability to cut weight. And look, the only reason I
Speaker 1: bring it up, and I brought it up to him
Speaker 1: in the ring, it's because he suggested before, like when
Speaker 1: he was not getting fights at one seventy five, he
Speaker 1: was talking about being able to cut down to one eight.
Speaker 1: And that to me makes the Canello fight a little
Speaker 1: bit more interesting. If it's Canello be Evil at one
Speaker 1: we've seen it. Like, I don't think Canello wins that
Speaker 1: fight as as great as Canelo w is. I think
Speaker 1: that's a bridge too far for him to up against
Speaker 1: a fighter like that at that weight class at one
Speaker 1: sixty eight. You take a little bit out of Dmitri
Speaker 1: be Evil, maybe his speed, maybe his reflexes. Maybe they
Speaker 1: go a little bit, you give yourself a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a chance. That fight interested me, Kevin, I
Speaker 1: would be more on board for beavil Canello at one
Speaker 1: right now that I am for Bevil better Be. The
Speaker 1: Other part of it is, you just can't count on Archer.
Speaker 1: Better Be have to be healthy like you, just if
Speaker 1: you're banking on you times, if you're banking on him
Speaker 1: to be able to fight in June or mayor June,
Speaker 1: I don't know if after. I mean personally, I don't
Speaker 1: think Anthony. I talked to John Scully about him, though,
Speaker 1: and John Scully is confident that he could come back
Speaker 1: one of his training. I don't believe the Yard fight
Speaker 1: is going to go very long. Anthony Yard. Good for
Speaker 1: him for getting in this position, but he's he's better be.
Speaker 1: He's a steam roller man, and I don't think Yard
Speaker 1: can put up the resistance to him. A lot of
Speaker 1: people like I was talking to some people at top
Speaker 1: rank and criticizeing the fight. Right after the Joe Smith fight,
Speaker 1: I was no, no, no with Anthony Yard um and
Speaker 1: I don't understand why boxing likes those kind of fights
Speaker 1: and why the organizations make these kind of mandatories because
Speaker 1: you know what, it benefits them. And then there and
Speaker 1: then they're not gonna get crop up from people like
Speaker 1: you and me if they look and they say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's let's set it up so that
Speaker 1: we can have this big fight. You know whoever the
Speaker 1: big fight happens to be. But in this case, like
Speaker 1: a bivil and him like set it up for that
Speaker 1: because now it's gonna be a big money fight, you know,
Speaker 1: as opposed to an Anthony Yard fight, which is you know,
Speaker 1: not gonna be a little bit less. And and then
Speaker 1: theoretically a Canello fight. I I don't I don't understand
Speaker 1: in boxing likes to put these goofy little fights in there,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you need it. And and to
Speaker 1: me that's something on the business side. I love what's
Speaker 1: going on in boxing thing. I think there's so many
Speaker 1: I've covered boxing for what forty years, I covered fights
Speaker 1: in the seventies, um, and I I think the current
Speaker 1: talent now, the world championship level talent and just below
Speaker 1: that on the way up, is as good as it's been,
Speaker 1: like you know, maybe in the late eighties, mid eighties,
Speaker 1: you know, there's been there's a lot of guys and
Speaker 1: a lot of divisions. Plus you see some of these
Speaker 1: kids coming up or five and oh six. And I'm
Speaker 1: not holding on Ashton Sylviette, but the kid that fought
Speaker 1: on the Jake Paul Undercar. But I think he's a
Speaker 1: guy I look at it going. You know, maybe he
Speaker 1: is something. I'm not there on him yet, but he's
Speaker 1: a guy that attracted my interest. So why not take
Speaker 1: advantage of this and promote these great fighters and promote
Speaker 1: them in big fight because you know what, I know
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia wants to fight Tank Davis. I know that
Speaker 1: Devin Haney wants to fight Loma and Shakoor Stevenson. Um,
Speaker 1: you know Taafimo Lopez wants to fight Josh Taylor. All.
Speaker 1: You know these kids want to fight each other. Let
Speaker 1: him do it. No networks, promoters, politics, everything stands in
Speaker 1: the way. And it's it is absolutely keeping boxing from rising.
Speaker 1: Boxing it easily rise if it just gets out of
Speaker 1: its own way. We've been having that conversation for many
Speaker 1: years now. To put a button on the biball topic.
Speaker 1: Canelos out there just to ad hand surgery. Eddie Hearn
Speaker 1: says he'll be back training and full by end of
Speaker 1: December early January, theoretically healthy enough to fight in May.
Speaker 1: Should Canello pursue the rematch with Dmitri Beeble? He was
Speaker 1: beaten pretty soundly in that last fight. Um, he's a
Speaker 1: dominant one, but at one seventy he can beat someone
Speaker 1: like Sergey Kovlev. Can he compete with Beevil? Can he
Speaker 1: compete with better bf? That might be um just a
Speaker 1: way too big at this point for Canello? Should should
Speaker 1: he pursue the Beevil fight? Or should he look in
Speaker 1: the direction of, say, the winner of David Benavidez versus
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant, which across our fingers, we think is going
Speaker 1: to happen in the first quarter of two thousand twenty three.
Speaker 1: You know, here's the problem. I I picked Cannelo to
Speaker 1: beat Bivil, and I said it was a fight, but
Speaker 1: I thought, if it's a close fight in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: that Canelo is gonna win the decision, you know, right,
Speaker 1: So he almost did get like the Vegas push because
Speaker 1: I've had like seventeen eleven I think, and I don't
Speaker 1: it wasn't. But you know, when you look at that,
Speaker 1: when you see them in the ring fighting, I'm bibls
Speaker 1: considerably bigger and in the reach. You know, Cannello didn't
Speaker 1: have a way to really touch him the way he
Speaker 1: touches a lot of these guys that are his size.
Speaker 1: Because Cannelo is an accurate puncher, he's quick, he's got
Speaker 1: good footwork to put himself in position. He did those
Speaker 1: things against Bibble, but then Bivil had that little reach
Speaker 1: advantage on the pole with a job, and that job
Speaker 1: was slow Cannelo down for a second and Bibl with
Speaker 1: throw a combination. So just are you bringing bibbl down
Speaker 1: to sixty eight? Is that going to stop that? If
Speaker 1: Bibbil can make sixty eight healthy, I don't know how
Speaker 1: Cannelo turns that around. Now for Cannelo, you know, Canelo
Speaker 1: is like a guy. He likes to say, bleep you,
Speaker 1: I can do it, and he's gonna prove itself to you.
Speaker 1: And so that's what we love about Canelo that he
Speaker 1: has that brash attitude and that's what we wanted a guy.
Speaker 1: And so from that standpoint, you say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: God bless you, you've done so much. Go ahead and try.
Speaker 1: But I I like your line of thinking because I
Speaker 1: think you know what you've proven that that size is
Speaker 1: too big of an issue against you, and if you
Speaker 1: beat him a second time, there's always going to be
Speaker 1: that lingering doubt. Well, bibbl came down and wait and
Speaker 1: that's not you know, that's not good for him. And
Speaker 1: Roy Jones proved that right when Roy Jones went down
Speaker 1: after he won the heavyweight title and he went back down.
Speaker 1: You know that was a massive mistake. You drop all
Speaker 1: that muscle off and you're not the same same type
Speaker 1: of fighter that you were before. And who did you fight?
Speaker 1: Glenn Johnson? I think he got knocked out twice Um
Speaker 1: and that you know, that became a big issue. So
Speaker 1: to my way of thinking, Chris Um, I think Canelo
Speaker 1: might be better to look at somebody and you know, hey,
Speaker 1: he fought Plant on the Plant has a little bit
Speaker 1: of heat after that knockout of Durrell. But if Benevitez
Speaker 1: beats him, and I think, you know, that's the hope
Speaker 1: that PBC has because Benevidez is the fresh face that
Speaker 1: they can now set Benevitez up to fight him, And
Speaker 1: to me, that's a great fight for Canelo because Benevidez
Speaker 1: is a big kid, right, bigger than Canelo. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the fight, and then you can have Biblico fight.
Speaker 1: Better be a first look. Canelo has not been ducking Benevitez.
Speaker 1: We need to be the idea, like these trolls out
Speaker 1: there is you are. I'm moron if you think that
Speaker 1: Canello ducky. If David Benevitez had not screwed up the
Speaker 1: WBC title situation, he would have fucking l already. Canel
Speaker 1: I was chasing those belts. He went after the guys
Speaker 1: with the belts that he fun a legacy fight against
Speaker 1: genetic lacause he's not ducking Benevidez, and Benavidez, to his credit,
Speaker 1: has said I need to earn that fight with Canello.
Speaker 1: He's been chasing it. And this Plant fight after Plant
Speaker 1: just stopped Anthony Durrell. Is that kind of stepping stone
Speaker 1: type of fight if he gets I think that's a
Speaker 1: good fight. Yeah, but it would springboar him. I gues
Speaker 1: stepping stone is the wrong word, springboard him into Canello fight.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't hate the idea of Canelo waiting
Speaker 1: until September fighting David Benavidez and if he wins and
Speaker 1: if he comes out clean. There's nothing stopping Canello from
Speaker 1: doing one of those Eddie hern specialties and fighting overseas
Speaker 1: somewhere against like a John Ryder type which has been
Speaker 1: in the Waters tribe. Yeah, like you can do that.
Speaker 1: He can get his two fights a year in, make
Speaker 1: his money and and stay as active as he'd like
Speaker 1: to stay. I don't hate that idea. But Cannello, as
Speaker 1: you alluded to, like he's a little bit crazy, like
Speaker 1: he's he I'm sure it gnaws at him that he
Speaker 1: lost it Dmitri people. I'm sure it really really bothers him.
Speaker 1: I just don't know to your earlier point, I don't
Speaker 1: know that he's going to be able to turn the
Speaker 1: tide on on a situation like that. All Right, last
Speaker 1: thing I want to hit you with. You're a great
Speaker 1: piece over Yahoo Sports about the thirteen fights that you
Speaker 1: want to see in two thousand twenty three. Some of
Speaker 1: them are realistic. You've got Joshua are Sorry, Fury against us.
Speaker 1: Maybe Fury against Joshua we could see that. Others, especially
Speaker 1: in the lower weight classes, not so much. You've got
Speaker 1: Spence Crawford still doing their thing back and forth. I
Speaker 1: really love the idea of in a way versus Stephen Fulton,
Speaker 1: that's a tremendous fight. If you're Stephen Fulton, what are
Speaker 1: you doing out there right now? I mean you just
Speaker 1: kinda I mean the Aquadalia fight, it was never gonna
Speaker 1: come together anyway. Now Aquadalia is hurt, like you gotta
Speaker 1: strike while the iron's hant if in a way moves up,
Speaker 1: you gotta push hard for that type of He's got
Speaker 1: the unification fight in December, and then I think they're
Speaker 1: ready to go. Oh yeah in a way. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's gone. I'm up those belts of fracture and
Speaker 1: then um, we'll see what happened. But that that to
Speaker 1: me when I looked at your list. You know, I
Speaker 1: love Ryan versus Tank and I actually think we're getting
Speaker 1: closer to making a deal on that fight. But when
Speaker 1: I saw in a way versus Fulton, men give me
Speaker 1: that in a way style of come forward, big power,
Speaker 1: full more of a slicker boxer. I love that style matchup.
Speaker 1: I tried to make put fights that. I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: what fights do I want to see? And there was
Speaker 1: a bunch of other ones I wanted, but like Andy
Speaker 1: Ruise and Wilder was in the work, So I didn't
Speaker 1: put that on there. I called for that fight before.
Speaker 1: Now I think it's too late, right, and Andy Ruise's
Speaker 1: star continues to drop. You know, I I if he
Speaker 1: would have fought Wilder instead of Robert hellneous and forget
Speaker 1: about Louis. I mean PBC kept trying to sell the
Speaker 1: ghost of Louise ortiz Iss some threat. And you know
Speaker 1: who do Louise Whorts? He's ever beat in his professional career,
Speaker 1: and yes he has power, and you know, yes he
Speaker 1: knocked down you know, Deontay Wilder, but you know what,
Speaker 1: he got beaten by him, and he's what can be?
Speaker 1: Could he knocked down Wilder? He hurt Wilder? Did he
Speaker 1: knocked him down? Didn't know? I think he heard him
Speaker 1: in that first of the Brooklyn fight. Okay, so not
Speaker 1: in the second fight for sure, But you know Wilder
Speaker 1: dominated the second fight. But either way, you know he
Speaker 1: had him in some difficulty, was ahead. But who is
Speaker 1: who is ortiz ever beaten? So to me, the fight
Speaker 1: if and if Wilder had decided to take a long
Speaker 1: even longer off, I would have understood. But Wilder coming
Speaker 1: off that Fury fight, to me, Andy Ruise was to
Speaker 1: fight to make, because you know, Wilder is, like you
Speaker 1: said about Canello, crazy water, wants to be in there,
Speaker 1: and God bless him for the attitude he is. He's
Speaker 1: one of the guys that wants to make the big
Speaker 1: fights and he's looking to fight, you know, the big
Speaker 1: guys if you wanted to get one of those fights again.
Speaker 1: And Andy Ruise was to fight to make. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: you know, Helennius just didn't have the name power. But
Speaker 1: I don't know what you know. The PBC, I guess,
Speaker 1: was trying to milk every single last thing they could
Speaker 1: get out of Ortiz. And what do they do? They
Speaker 1: did a dud of a pay per view and it
Speaker 1: actually Andy didn't look great in that fight, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Andy blows him on, puts him down and puts
Speaker 1: his arms up in the air while Ortiz is rolling
Speaker 1: around on the canvas, that's one thing, but very tentative
Speaker 1: in the fight. Knocked Ortis down a few times, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if the punch resistance is there for
Speaker 1: Andy Ruize like it used to be. And he took
Speaker 1: that shotmanthrow to Joshua, got up, came back, knocked him up.
Speaker 1: But you look at the area are totally different. But
Speaker 1: Ariola knocked him down. I think he was a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous about Ortiz in that fight. In his power Wilder,
Speaker 1: I mean ruise catch Wilder. I mean like he's got
Speaker 1: good hands. That's what makes a fight interest. But I
Speaker 1: tried to look at other fights, Chris and say so
Speaker 1: I brought Joe Joyce up because think about Joe Joyce.
Speaker 1: To me, he reminds me of a poor man's George Foreman, big, strong,
Speaker 1: kind of slow, but he moves forward and he can
Speaker 1: take a shot. And you would see George come out
Speaker 1: of those fights, is wearing the sunglasses, his face got
Speaker 1: beat up. But somebody's you know, you know, babbling incoherently
Speaker 1: in the corner because he knocked that, you know, the
Speaker 1: hell out of him. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: that sort of Joe in a lower level reminds me.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell me, Deante Water versus Joe Joyce
Speaker 1: would not be an unbelievable fight to watch, you know,
Speaker 1: just from a fans perspective, it wouldn't be a fun fight.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody's gonna get knocked out. You know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Rockham sockham robots, and so that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I tried to do, was I went down that list,
Speaker 1: and you know, I had to hit some of the
Speaker 1: obvious ones like Spence and Crawford that were there. But
Speaker 1: you know, and I do want to see that fight
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, you're talking to welterweights in
Speaker 1: their prime. Who are you know, among the five best
Speaker 1: fighters in the world, would you agree? And when you
Speaker 1: have that that that uplifts boxing when those kind of
Speaker 1: guys fight, and you can also showcase other elite talent
Speaker 1: on those undercards. Right. Um. I remember many years ago,
Speaker 1: and I've said this on many interviews, Chris, but when
Speaker 1: de Laoia Mayweather got made, I called Richard Shaffer, he
Speaker 1: was a golden boy at the time, and I said, Richard,
Speaker 1: you should put Raphael Marquez and Israel Vasquez on that undercard.
Speaker 1: And he's always going to cost a million dollars to
Speaker 1: make that fight. What did that fight make? I think
Speaker 1: it made two million dollars uh that night. That one
Speaker 1: million dollar investment would have not helped them that night,
Speaker 1: but it would help boxing's future. People are gonna who
Speaker 1: went away from boxing, and I said, holy shit, are
Speaker 1: these guys. Is this what boxing is now? And I
Speaker 1: think that's what they miss on when they don't put
Speaker 1: those kind of fights on pay per view. I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree, um, And if you're gonna do pay per views,
Speaker 1: stack them as best you can and know the money
Speaker 1: isn't there like it used to be. But you've got
Speaker 1: to do better than what most of these pay per
Speaker 1: views are, which is a decent headlining fight and then
Speaker 1: a lot of one sided fights on the under card.
Speaker 1: It's it's problematic, Kevin Iolie. You are off to New
Speaker 1: York to cover UFC this weekend, so we'll be on
Speaker 1: separate coast. Even though I live on the East coast,
Speaker 1: I'm on the West coast. You'll be uh in my
Speaker 1: back switch back right. Appreciate your time, Kevin, Thank you, Chris,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And when we come back, my conversation with
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Speaker 1: friend of the podcast, Sergio Mora, one of the from
Speaker 1: the Sergio Mora Fighting Tree. Is that accurate? To say
Speaker 1: that is accurate? Unfortunately he co hosts with you, right,
Speaker 1: he likes to think so, so he's not officially No.
Speaker 1: I just saw before we sat down to record, he's
Speaker 1: just tweeted out that he's not appearing again on this
Speaker 1: podcast until I admit that he's my highest rated guest.
Speaker 1: I will not be admitting that today since that is inaccurate,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to be accurate here on the show.
Speaker 1: But Sergio is a free question. We joked though, but
Speaker 1: you know you were an avid follower of Sergio. You
Speaker 1: effectively are a stable mate of Sergio, since you are
Speaker 1: trained by Dean Campos, who of course was in Sergio's
Speaker 1: corner for many years during his career. So you are
Speaker 1: in a way of protege of not protegea I guess
Speaker 1: is wrong word. But I guess the disciple of yes,
Speaker 1: I believe it or not. I was a fan of
Speaker 1: Surgio growing up. I was probably one of his ten
Speaker 1: fans growing up. I'm just kidding. No, Sergio had a
Speaker 1: great style, great footwork and defense, and I grew up.
Speaker 1: We grew up. I grew up training in the same
Speaker 1: gym as him. Um I was just training. My dad
Speaker 1: was training at the time, and Dean was training Sergio.
Speaker 1: They were getting ready to go um through the Olympic
Speaker 1: trials and then after that he got onto the Contender
Speaker 1: TV show and went through that one. It and uh.
Speaker 1: I started training with Dean when I was sixteen, and
Speaker 1: it was because I loved Surgio style was about that,
Speaker 1: just it was different. His footwork and defense was great.
Speaker 1: Of course, Sergio doesn't have power, and that was sorry Sergio,
Speaker 1: but everybody knows that he was. He wasn't a power puncher.
Speaker 1: But that's why Dean had to create all these different
Speaker 1: all these different moves and and training methods and techniques
Speaker 1: him to be able to be able to win fights
Speaker 1: against fighters who are a lot stronger or even a
Speaker 1: lot more experience than him. So he can get through
Speaker 1: these fights and his style worked our style. I mean
Speaker 1: I fight that way too, with my footwork in my
Speaker 1: defense and my movement, except I actually I have the
Speaker 1: powers that makes it even easier for me. For people
Speaker 1: that don't understand, like what made his footwork special? When
Speaker 1: you watched his footwork, what did you see him? What
Speaker 1: did you try to to kind of emulate? I mean,
Speaker 1: foot placement is so important important in boxing that makes
Speaker 1: a huge difference as to I mean, for example, we
Speaker 1: saw that last weekend with the Bibol and Zero fight.
Speaker 1: His foot placement was just perfect, and that's what made
Speaker 1: his punches be so precise and accurate and made it
Speaker 1: easier for him to land all the punches that he
Speaker 1: wanted to. So when watching Sergoe, I just recognize and
Speaker 1: noticed how his foot placement was always just so good.
Speaker 1: It put him positions to where he was able to
Speaker 1: land punches from the side of opponents and landin punches
Speaker 1: from all different angles. Like you, you didn't know where
Speaker 1: Surgio was going next. And that's the same thing with
Speaker 1: me and my style, Like my opponents don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do next because I'm always I'm always keeping
Speaker 1: them guessing. But I always know what I'm gonna do next.
Speaker 1: You switch a lot in the ring. To Surgery didn't
Speaker 1: switch that much, did he. He didn't switch as much,
Speaker 1: but but yes, he was very good at at throwing
Speaker 1: certain punches out out of a south Pall stance, because
Speaker 1: that's what Dean does teach us. That's that's tricky, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen it's my handful of fighters that
Speaker 1: really switch in boxing. Terence Crawford does it at pretty
Speaker 1: high level. This I'm blanking, but I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: few others like that. That's not easy to kind of
Speaker 1: master because you've got to be really comfortable in both stances, right,
Speaker 1: you do, And I'm actually very comfortable. I'm more comfortable
Speaker 1: in a Southhall stance than I am an orthodox stance.
Speaker 1: Like even Dean was like, man, like, you can do
Speaker 1: certain things easier out of a south Pall stance. And
Speaker 1: when I started boxing, I would always stand left handed,
Speaker 1: and my dad would always make me turn back to
Speaker 1: orthodox dance. But as time went on, he noticed that
Speaker 1: I was doing seeing so much better out of a
Speaker 1: South Paul stance and it was kind of just working
Speaker 1: what I was doing, so he kind of just let
Speaker 1: me be and let me um switch back and forth
Speaker 1: when I felt it was necessary. Everybody knows now women's
Speaker 1: boxing is experiencing like an unbelievable surge. You've got women
Speaker 1: making seven figure pay days, the biggest boxing matches on
Speaker 1: men's or women's side, or being fought by women. You know,
Speaker 1: you'll go back to Katie Taylor Amanda Serrano. A couple
Speaker 1: of weekends ago, you had a great card overrom the
Speaker 1: UK where both women's fights were were impressive. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about that. But when you first started
Speaker 1: in boxing, when back when you were eight nine years old,
Speaker 1: what was women's boxing back then? Like, what do you
Speaker 1: remember women's boxing being when you first picked up those gloves? Well?
Speaker 1: I started watching boxing with my dad when I was
Speaker 1: about six year years old, and the first question I
Speaker 1: asked him was Dad, do girls box? Because we didn't
Speaker 1: watch any women on TV. It was just men, So
Speaker 1: I didn't think that women's boxing even existed. So growing
Speaker 1: up I getting into boxing, I didn't realize how how
Speaker 1: dead woman's boxing was. In l A. I was one
Speaker 1: of maybe three girls who were in going into every
Speaker 1: gym and East l A for sparring and in l
Speaker 1: A m because it was still what like Christy Martin
Speaker 1: lay Lally, Yeah, like the end of that, like a
Speaker 1: riker kinda. There wasn't in professional the fresh and level.
Speaker 1: It was more as a gimmicky but it was few
Speaker 1: and far between we saw women's fight. Yeah, I wasn't
Speaker 1: enough to like keep no depth, no depth, yeah exactly, So,
Speaker 1: um it was. It was pretty difficult coming growing up
Speaker 1: in l A. Being one of the very few girls
Speaker 1: walking into a box xing gym and all my sparring
Speaker 1: partners were boys. It was hard to even find another
Speaker 1: girl to spar with. UM. So to see how far
Speaker 1: it's come now is just incredible. Like I've always known
Speaker 1: it would get to the point where it is now,
Speaker 1: I just didn't know when. That's the one thing about
Speaker 1: one's boxing. Getting into woman's boxing that early, it was
Speaker 1: just so unpredictable and wanting to turn pro. I had
Speaker 1: no idea how dead woman's boxing still was at the time,
Speaker 1: and my professional career took was a very slow start
Speaker 1: because I was so inactive. Big promoters weren't signing women,
Speaker 1: women weren't fighting on TV. But now the breakthrough has
Speaker 1: been incredible. It's just been in the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: This year actually is, like, like you said, the best
Speaker 1: year that woman's boxing has had ever. Well, when did
Speaker 1: you decide that this would be a career path? Like
Speaker 1: when does it go from being something you want to
Speaker 1: do because you're sit in front of a TV and
Speaker 1: watch and ask your dad, are the women box too?
Speaker 1: This is something I want to do for most of
Speaker 1: my life. I knew that when I was seven before
Speaker 1: I started boxing. I started boxing at eight years old.
Speaker 1: But when I was seven, I was sitting in front
Speaker 1: of the TV watching a boxing fight, don't I don't
Speaker 1: remember which fight specifically, but I thought to myself, this
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. This is what I'm
Speaker 1: going to do for the rest of my life. Were
Speaker 1: not the rest of my life, but you know, as
Speaker 1: a professional, this is going to be my career. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be a world champion one day. I'm going
Speaker 1: to fight on TV one day, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be signed by one of the biggest promoters in boxing
Speaker 1: one day. I said that at seven years old, when
Speaker 1: like like, my dad thought I was fucking crazy. He
Speaker 1: thought like he thought I was insane. Of course my
Speaker 1: mom did too for a very long time, but um,
Speaker 1: I just knew it. I knew it, and I knew
Speaker 1: women's boxing would be where it is right now. And
Speaker 1: your dad, as he's been around, he's around every one
Speaker 1: of your fights, works your corner along with Dean. Um.
Speaker 1: You still you've told the story before, but he was
Speaker 1: initially skeptical of it, right, Like he threw you win
Speaker 1: with a boy your first time out. Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: first asked him if I can box, he avoided taking
Speaker 1: me to a gym for about six months. I was
Speaker 1: constantly just bugging him, and I think it got to
Speaker 1: the point where he was just annoyed. So he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, fine, like I'll take her to a gym.
Speaker 1: And Um, I was training for about two weeks and
Speaker 1: he still didn't want me boxing. So he asked my
Speaker 1: trainer at the time to put me in the ring
Speaker 1: just bar with a boy so he can beat me up,
Speaker 1: make me cry. That way, I would not want to
Speaker 1: go back to the gym ever year old daughter cry.
Speaker 1: So I get in there with the boy, and the
Speaker 1: boy had been sparring, I mean had been boxing for
Speaker 1: a few months. Get in there. My technique was awful.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. All I knew
Speaker 1: was I mean, I knew I just wanted to go
Speaker 1: in there and just just fight, and that's what I did.
Speaker 1: So I ended up making the boy cry, making him quit,
Speaker 1: and he never came back to the gym again. So
Speaker 1: the plant kind of backfired on my dad. But I
Speaker 1: think even though he didn't show it in his facial expressions,
Speaker 1: in his mind he was thinking, holy sh it, like
Speaker 1: she has some she has potential and there's something, there's something.
Speaker 1: They're like, I gotta I gotta give her a chance
Speaker 1: to at least see what she can do in this sport.
Speaker 1: How does Dean get involved in your life? I mean
Speaker 1: he became well known as the trainer for Sergio Mora.
Speaker 1: When Sergio wins, the contender goes on to world championship
Speaker 1: level fights, fights burn as far as twice. Obviously Dean
Speaker 1: intimately involved in that. When does he get involved in
Speaker 1: your career? So around the time where I knew that
Speaker 1: I wanted to turn pro, I I asked me and
Speaker 1: my dad had a talk and I was like, I
Speaker 1: want Dean to train me because I knew, like I
Speaker 1: had a great amateur career. How I had over a
Speaker 1: hundred amateur fights and my style has never been very amateurish,
Speaker 1: so I knew my I would have an easy transition
Speaker 1: into the pros. But I knew that I had to
Speaker 1: be better. I wanted to get better, like I still
Speaker 1: want to get better every single every single fight. I
Speaker 1: want to be better. So I I told my dad,
Speaker 1: I think Dean would be the perfect person to just
Speaker 1: teach me new things and take me to another another level.
Speaker 1: And my dad like, what's so great about him? And
Speaker 1: is he's not one of those boxing fathers who just
Speaker 1: want full control of their kid's career, and and that
Speaker 1: that was the great thing. I think that was the
Speaker 1: best decision he could have ever made, was letting Dean
Speaker 1: take full control over UM my style and everything that
Speaker 1: Dean wants to teach me. So we were still training
Speaker 1: at the same gym as Dean, as we've always had
Speaker 1: um and my dad goes into the gym one day
Speaker 1: and says, Dean, can you help me out with sneeze?
Speaker 1: I was you know, we just wanted it. We kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to like break ap in easily and easy
Speaker 1: and say, you know, just help help her out UM
Speaker 1: and show her some new things. So Dean hates woman's boxing,
Speaker 1: hates woman's, well hated woman's until I say past tense um.
Speaker 1: And he was not was not up for training me. Um.
Speaker 1: My dad gave him some some old tapes and he
Speaker 1: left them there and he said, here's some tapes if
Speaker 1: you want to check them out. And uh, Dean would
Speaker 1: see me sparring in the gym here and there. But
Speaker 1: you know that that that was pretty much it. So
Speaker 1: Dean was Dean said he was bored. One night, he
Speaker 1: throws on my old tapes and he starts watching me
Speaker 1: and he's like, he thinks himself, wow, Like she's doing
Speaker 1: stuff that Sergio doesn't even do, or doing stuff as
Speaker 1: a kid that took Sergio years to even perfect or learn.
Speaker 1: And I was just fighting off of instinct. And so
Speaker 1: he gave me. He we what. We came to the
Speaker 1: gym the next day and he's like, Cigary, I'll help
Speaker 1: her out. I'll show her some things. So Dean still
Speaker 1: didn't want to train me a cent, so he thought, okay,
Speaker 1: well let me let me show her some things. It's
Speaker 1: gonna just blow her mind and she's not going to
Speaker 1: understand it, and she's gonna say, I don't want to
Speaker 1: train with Dean anymore. So he taught me this move. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't explain it. I would have to
Speaker 1: get up and show you. So he taught me this move,
Speaker 1: and I spawned. I had sparring set up already the
Speaker 1: next day, so he's like, we'll try it and sparring
Speaker 1: if you can. You know, no big deal if you
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I thought to myself, this is easy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this in sparring. Like I already already
Speaker 1: knew in my mind that I was gonna I was
Speaker 1: gonna do it multiple times, not just one time. Get
Speaker 1: in the ring, I do the move that he showed
Speaker 1: me the day before, and we still have we still
Speaker 1: have the footage of that. You could hear Dean say,
Speaker 1: tell my dad, Joe, Joe, she fucking did it. She
Speaker 1: did the move, Oh my god. And he's like, it
Speaker 1: took Sergio fucking two years to perfect this move and
Speaker 1: she just did it the next day after I showed
Speaker 1: it to her. So, Um, after that, I think kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing with my dad. When my dad
Speaker 1: first put me in the ring and didn't think I
Speaker 1: was capable of doing anything. Dean kind of thought the
Speaker 1: same thing, and after that it just made it so
Speaker 1: easy for him to just train me and teach me
Speaker 1: things because I just picked up on everything so quickly
Speaker 1: and easily. You hear that a lot, or I hear
Speaker 1: that a lot from women's boxing trainers, the skepticism they
Speaker 1: have coming into it, and then how happy they are
Speaker 1: that they did, whether it's Al Mitchell and MICHAELA. Mayor
Speaker 1: Ross Enemy and Katie Taylor and now Dean who you're
Speaker 1: You're basically his stable at this point as far as
Speaker 1: professionals go, and and he's totally committed to working with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's crazy because I remember when Dean, when I
Speaker 1: first turned pro, he didn't tell me this because he
Speaker 1: didn't want to discourage me make me feel bad. So
Speaker 1: but now he told me years later that he thoughts
Speaker 1: to himself, Man, if this girl makes fifty in her
Speaker 1: entire professional career, like I'll be happy with that. And
Speaker 1: then when I made my first hundred thousand for one fight,
Speaker 1: he was like, oh fuck, like this is okay, Like
Speaker 1: this this is this is different, Like things are changing.
Speaker 1: And I don't blame him for not wanting to train me,
Speaker 1: or blame other trainers for not wanting to train women
Speaker 1: because I didn't like women's boxing either when I was
Speaker 1: coming up as a kid, Like the fights that I
Speaker 1: would see on TV or would see in the pros,
Speaker 1: the skill level was just terrible, Like why would you
Speaker 1: want to see that? You know it? It kind of
Speaker 1: it just wasn't where it's at now. Now women are
Speaker 1: so skilled. If you don't like women's boxing and you
Speaker 1: watch the top women like Katie, Amanda, Clarissa, me Michaela,
Speaker 1: all the top women, our skill level is so good
Speaker 1: that whether or not you're a woman's boxing fan, you're
Speaker 1: going to become one watching us because you just can't
Speaker 1: deny the talent level. You didn't have the traditional amateur
Speaker 1: pop that some of these other women had, with Katie
Speaker 1: winning a gold medal and competing into Olympics, Claressa winning
Speaker 1: two gold medals, MICHAELA Mayre coming out of the two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen Olympics, what was your first breakthrough? Like what
Speaker 1: was what do you feel like was your Olympic moment
Speaker 1: where you kind of got that that bounce that put
Speaker 1: you on another level in the amateur well not the them,
Speaker 1: because you were in the pros at first, but like,
Speaker 1: what was your breakthrough moment like in the program. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say it all started with
Speaker 1: Tom Loffler giving me the opportunity to fight on multiple
Speaker 1: Triple G under cards and then choke l Eto cars
Speaker 1: because obviously those brought in so many, so many people.
Speaker 1: Those are big cards, and Tom did a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes that doesn't get a lot of
Speaker 1: credit for it, whether there's a flyweights and mainstreaming them
Speaker 1: and as you said, you know women's boxing putting you
Speaker 1: on those cards. Yeah, and he put me on those
Speaker 1: cards of course because I was able to sell a
Speaker 1: lot of tickets in l A, which which is great,
Speaker 1: you know, of course it was. It was great for me.
Speaker 1: Tom does love when you sell tickets. That's another thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's business. He wouldn't have he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: put me on those cars if I couldn't sell tickets.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I love Tom Or We've still have
Speaker 1: a great relationship up and um manage. It's been almost
Speaker 1: ten years since I've known him, and um, I'm thankful
Speaker 1: that he gave me that opportunity to be on all
Speaker 1: those cards, and that's what gave me that break through.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was on my first triple G
Speaker 1: undercard UM, Roy Jones was ringside with Max and they
Speaker 1: were rehearsing, and Roy kept looking back and watching watching
Speaker 1: my fight while they were trying to rehearse. And I
Speaker 1: can hear someone say Roy, like we're rehearsing, and Roy's
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, no, stop wait a minute,
Speaker 1: and Roy stopped the rehearsal. I kept watching my fight
Speaker 1: until it was until it was over. And then the
Speaker 1: next day at UM I believe it was who was
Speaker 1: he training at the time, Jesse Vargas I believe helped
Speaker 1: him for a fight. At the press conference UM I
Speaker 1: went to do some media interviews and I was sitting
Speaker 1: in the crowd and he completely stopped the press conference.
Speaker 1: He was like, I know this is completely off the
Speaker 1: record right now, but you see that girl right there
Speaker 1: you point out. I mean I even looked behind me.
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, who is he talking about? And
Speaker 1: He's like, stand up, tell everybody your name, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Sansa. I was so nervous, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like that's Roy Jones, my hero, UM,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite fighters of all time besides Sugary Leonards.
Speaker 1: So to hear him talk about me and just give
Speaker 1: me all those compliments. Was just incredible. Like I cried.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, like I can't believe this.
Speaker 1: And him saying that to all of the media that
Speaker 1: was there after that it made all of the local
Speaker 1: alley media just so a lot of them already knew me,
Speaker 1: but the ones who didn't, it just it just created
Speaker 1: this huge buzz around me, and that's when everybody was
Speaker 1: interested in, like, man, women's boxing can can make some progression.
Speaker 1: I think that's when people started to see that. And
Speaker 1: then after that, Tom was like, Okay, you're on this car,
Speaker 1: You're on that car, You're on the next card. He
Speaker 1: had me booked for Triple G under cards and Choke.
Speaker 1: I think the under cards months before they were happening.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're on that's your spot, Like get ready,
Speaker 1: you know. So that was great because before that I
Speaker 1: was very inactive. My professional career started so slow. Um.
Speaker 1: And then from those cards that led to Golden Boy
Speaker 1: wanting to sign me. I think a moment was that
Speaker 1: for you Because you grew up in East l A
Speaker 1: same as Oscar de la Hoyot, you were obviously well
Speaker 1: aware of his accomplishments. Um, was that something that you
Speaker 1: were hoping to do at that stage your career, to
Speaker 1: be part of whatever Oscar was doing at that time. Definitely,
Speaker 1: I you know, being from East l A. Oscar was
Speaker 1: just somebody who inspired so many people. And them signing
Speaker 1: as spar as a first out of the Olympics. I
Speaker 1: think the Olympic thing kind of definitely helped in so
Speaker 1: many ways. Katie came out of there and then Clarissa
Speaker 1: after that. So signing a Golden Boy was was huge.
Speaker 1: It was it was great. And they I mean, and
Speaker 1: you fought for two world titles with them, I mean
Speaker 1: how big. I mean people talk nowadays, everybody kind of
Speaker 1: looks at titles sort of in a negative light, at
Speaker 1: something secondary title this, people criticized titles. But for you
Speaker 1: winning that first world title, what did that mean to
Speaker 1: you as as part of your journey? It was great?
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, good quote. That's when people ask me that,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think they expect me to say
Speaker 1: a whole speech of how how I found and how
Speaker 1: great it was. I put my I put my covers
Speaker 1: of sports illustrated on the wall, like that's my world title.
Speaker 1: Like that's I mean, my world titles and the two
Speaker 1: of the two other in turn belts that I've won.
Speaker 1: All four of those bouts are sitting on the floor
Speaker 1: in my bedroom, not that I don't care about them,
Speaker 1: but it's just that first world title. It was. It
Speaker 1: was satisfying, That's all I can say. It was satisfying,
Speaker 1: But it's because I'm so competitive and there's so much
Speaker 1: more that I want. One bout is nothing to me.
Speaker 1: I want to be undisputed at one oh five, one
Speaker 1: weight and one twelve, so I I give myself no credit.
Speaker 1: Yet I think once I'm once I accomplished that, then
Speaker 1: I'll be happy with myself. And you went, I mean
Speaker 1: when you were younger, just trying to get fights, you
Speaker 1: must have had to jump up and down and weight
Speaker 1: outside of your weight class a lot just to get
Speaker 1: some of these fights in the pros. Yes, but I
Speaker 1: bet I had been doing that since I was an amateur. Um.
Speaker 1: I would weigh in with my dad's keys and cell
Speaker 1: phones in my pocket so I can get a fight.
Speaker 1: Because there wasn't many young girls at the time or
Speaker 1: women fighting, so I would have to weigh in with
Speaker 1: all of that stuff in my pocket, all my clothes on,
Speaker 1: just so I can jump three weight classes and fight someone.
Speaker 1: Um and that also transitioned into the professionals. UM. I
Speaker 1: was fighting out of my weight class just all through
Speaker 1: the beginning of my career and to until I signed
Speaker 1: with Golden Boy. UM, I was fighting girls who were
Speaker 1: naturally bantom weights. I was eating and stuffing my face
Speaker 1: with food just so I can try to get close
Speaker 1: to the weight so we can make the fight happen.
Speaker 1: And once I signed with Golden Way, I was able
Speaker 1: to finally fight girls who were naturally at my weight class,
Speaker 1: which is when all the knockouts started coming. So I
Speaker 1: always knew and I had the natural power, I just
Speaker 1: wasn't able to show it. So if I would have
Speaker 1: started my career with Golden Boy, I would be with
Speaker 1: at least eighteen knockouts. One of my favorite nice not favorite,
Speaker 1: but I like. One of the movies I like is
Speaker 1: this this movie that James Franco is. He's in the
Speaker 1: military and he's a boxer and he's on the scale
Speaker 1: and he's eating a Snickers bar while he's on the
Speaker 1: scale to get to a weight to fight the guy
Speaker 1: he's wanted to fight. If you ever had to just
Speaker 1: pick out to get to within a certain weight range
Speaker 1: to to take a fight. Oh yeah, I did that
Speaker 1: at least um. I mean every single fight I had
Speaker 1: before signing a Golden Boy. I signed with them when
Speaker 1: I was what twelve, and now I believe, and every
Speaker 1: single fight because so just so people know, you have
Speaker 1: to if you're going to fight it, say one fift,
Speaker 1: you've got to be at one twelve, right, You've got
Speaker 1: to at least within three pounds of that a different
Speaker 1: weight class. Yeah, so I would eat um. I remember
Speaker 1: one time when I fought on I think it was
Speaker 1: a Chocolo undercard, and I had a gain of health
Speaker 1: another three pounds just to make that weight limit so
Speaker 1: the fight can happen. And I had my dad ran
Speaker 1: to McDonald's. I had a whole mile double cheeseburger fries,
Speaker 1: uh down. The whole gatorade still wasn't enough, so he
Speaker 1: went to Randy's Donuts and got me this giant bear
Speaker 1: claw and a huge milk. It was disgusting. I wanted
Speaker 1: to throw up, but I had to. I had to
Speaker 1: do it and ended up barely making the weight. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, things like that are just it's funny to
Speaker 1: now when I look back and I think, like, what
Speaker 1: was I What was I thinking fighting these girls who
Speaker 1: were so freaking huge. Oh, Like, I'm I'm insane for
Speaker 1: doing that. But at the same time, it's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do. It's what I had to do in
Speaker 1: order to build my record and to stay active and
Speaker 1: bear claw and McDonald's. It would take me three days
Speaker 1: to get that out of my system with myself. Oh
Speaker 1: and then when I fought as Sparsa, even though that
Speaker 1: was a hundred and twelve pounds, I was still walking
Speaker 1: around at I don't know, maybe one ten um. So
Speaker 1: when I fought as spars A fight leak, I was
Speaker 1: at the buffet at the MGAM eating pizza every day,
Speaker 1: and I still waiting at what was it one maybe
Speaker 1: one ten point something. On fight night, I was one
Speaker 1: oh nine. I went back down. So, I mean, those
Speaker 1: are just things that I had to go through that
Speaker 1: now just make everything they make. All the success now
Speaker 1: just feel even sweeter knowing that I went through all
Speaker 1: that crap. You've spent the last few years with Golden Ball.
Speaker 1: You've been off for eleven months in part because you
Speaker 1: decided to separate from Golden Boy and have signed with
Speaker 1: Top Rank I know there's a lot you can't say
Speaker 1: about what happened there, but was it disappointing to you know,
Speaker 1: growing you know, growing up a fan of Oscar to
Speaker 1: not have it work out with Golden Boy. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was very disappointing. Um, I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: else to say other than it just we just couldn't
Speaker 1: come to an agreement as far as how much money
Speaker 1: I wanted. And um, I mean, I wasn't asking for
Speaker 1: a million dollars of fight. I was not even asking
Speaker 1: anything close to that. But um, but hey, I'm back
Speaker 1: and I'm with Top Rank, and I got um a
Speaker 1: great deal with Top Rank. It's what I wanted and
Speaker 1: it's what i've with what I feel I deserve. And
Speaker 1: this these past eleven months, I felt like I was
Speaker 1: missing out on so much because I'm just so competitive,
Speaker 1: Like I want to fight all the champions. I want
Speaker 1: to have unification fights, I want to be undisputed, and
Speaker 1: this year I wasn't able to do that. So I
Speaker 1: felt like I just I just wasted a whole year.
Speaker 1: And then now that I'm back, I think totally different
Speaker 1: differently because I see how great of a year woman's
Speaker 1: boxing had starting off with Katie and Serrano and just
Speaker 1: continuing on with all these other big, great matchups. And
Speaker 1: now I think to myself, you know that those eleven
Speaker 1: months were not wasted at all, because I'm back ending
Speaker 1: the year that was already an incredible year for woman's boxing.
Speaker 1: There's no better time to come back in women's boxing
Speaker 1: than right now. And all that time that I was off,
Speaker 1: I was still in the gym, sparring to stay sharp,
Speaker 1: working on things that I wanted to improve on. So nothing, no,
Speaker 1: there was There was no time wasted at all. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people when they saw you were
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent, assumed you would sign
Speaker 1: with Mattroom. Match Room as largely cornered the market on
Speaker 1: women's boxing, probably control of the top women's boxes that
Speaker 1: are out there across across continence, whether it's Alicia Bomb
Speaker 1: Garner here in the U, s KT Taylor in the UK,
Speaker 1: Empty Bridges fights from Australia. What was the process like
Speaker 1: in deciding who to sign with next? I love Eddie
Speaker 1: and I think he does an incredible job with women's boxing,
Speaker 1: and I even told him that. And when I met
Speaker 1: with Eddie, the one thing like I always love and
Speaker 1: respect about Eddie is that he not only did he
Speaker 1: say like I mean, he told me he's like, of
Speaker 1: course I would I want to sign you. I would
Speaker 1: love to sign you, and I will if if you know,
Speaker 1: it comes to that. But he also gave me advice,
Speaker 1: which is what I appreciated so much, is that he
Speaker 1: gave me advice as to what I should do as
Speaker 1: far as UM making the right decision with a promoter.
Speaker 1: And when I found out that Top Rank wanted to
Speaker 1: sign me, not only was it deal great, but it
Speaker 1: just made so much more sense. Eddie doesn't have any
Speaker 1: minimum weights, light flyweights or flyweights. If you would have
Speaker 1: signed me, I know for a fact he would have
Speaker 1: signed more women at my weight class. Of course for me. UM.
Speaker 1: But the whole everything, just everything about the deal with
Speaker 1: Top Rank just all came together. And then the the
Speaker 1: ESPM platform, I feel like it's being from l A
Speaker 1: and Mexican American. I just feel it's a perfect platform
Speaker 1: and it's where I belong. Did it surprise you that
Speaker 1: Top Rank was interested at first? Um? They have done
Speaker 1: a great job with MICHAELA promoted her the entirety of
Speaker 1: her pro career. But at the time she was the
Speaker 1: only women's boxer as part of their company, and we
Speaker 1: were just months removed from Bob Aram having some critical
Speaker 1: comments about women's boxing. When you first got the call
Speaker 1: from someone at Top Rank, what was your reaction, I was,
Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised. I mean, I know that I'm
Speaker 1: a perfect, a perfect um fighter to sign as far
Speaker 1: as to represent woman's boxing and with Top Rank, like
Speaker 1: I know, but like you said, they have not signed
Speaker 1: any other females besides Michaelis. So I was a little
Speaker 1: surprised that they were really interested in signing me and
Speaker 1: they Bob's comments didn't bother me at all about women's boxing.
Speaker 1: I mean, um, what promoter hasn't said anything negative about
Speaker 1: women's boxing? Um, But it just it all came together
Speaker 1: and I'm just so grateful to be back with Top Rank.
Speaker 1: And I've always been a fan of Michaelis, not just
Speaker 1: in a professional career, but in the amateurs as well.
Speaker 1: So I've always watched every Michaela fight, and I've always
Speaker 1: recognized how well they've moved her career in the pros.
Speaker 1: I thought they've they've done such a great job with
Speaker 1: her as far as promotion, marketing, and putting the money
Speaker 1: into her and putting taking all the risks that they
Speaker 1: needed to take in order to make sure that people
Speaker 1: know and people know who she is. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was always amazing of everything that they put into
Speaker 1: I always noticed that. So I always thought to myself,
Speaker 1: if I was a top rank like I know they
Speaker 1: would they would back me up in that way and
Speaker 1: put all that they possibly could into me. What has
Speaker 1: your Bob Arram experience been? Like? Bob is great. He's
Speaker 1: a funny guy. It's funny, sweet guy. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to spend more time with him. And he'll look he'll
Speaker 1: whatever he said about women's boxing before, he'll go out
Speaker 1: there and promote you. He he'll be ringside at your fight,
Speaker 1: he'll be at your press conferences, He'll he'll promote his
Speaker 1: old School'll know if you're part of his stable, he's
Speaker 1: going to go out there and promote you, even at
Speaker 1: almost ninety one years old, as best as he can.
Speaker 1: He's at every single fight, and he's sitting there even
Speaker 1: during the undercar fights that aren't even that aren't even televised,
Speaker 1: Like that just shows how how much he puts into
Speaker 1: his promotional company. So he returned to the ring on Saturday.
Speaker 1: And this is a comeback fight. It's a defense of
Speaker 1: your hundred and five pound title. In your mind, what
Speaker 1: does look like for you? It's twe is going to
Speaker 1: be a huge year for me. Um, get past this fight.
Speaker 1: Argentinian fighters are tough. My opponent I already know is
Speaker 1: going to come to win. For sure. Everyone who faces
Speaker 1: me has their biggest opportunity to defeat the underdog and
Speaker 1: take the spotlight. And who wouldn't want to come in
Speaker 1: to defeat me? So I know she's coming to win,
Speaker 1: which I don't. I don't take any of my opponents
Speaker 1: lightly because of that. So get through this fight and
Speaker 1: have my first unification fight and UM early is our
Speaker 1: plan with the WBC World champion from Germany. After that,
Speaker 1: hopefully have another unification fight at one oh five and
Speaker 1: then I'll have all the bouts at one oh five.
Speaker 1: So are my plan at the end of the year
Speaker 1: is to have my first fight at want to wait
Speaker 1: and start UM unifying there and top rank is right
Speaker 1: behind me with all that willing to make it happen.
Speaker 1: So and with all the big fights happening in women's boxing,
Speaker 1: a rematch with you and Marlin spars is still massive.
Speaker 1: You guys obviously have some spiciness to your to the rivalry.
Speaker 1: They're uh still which is quite frankly great. I mean,
Speaker 1: we saw what the nastiness between Alicia bomb Gardner michaelamar
Speaker 1: did for that fight. Everybody was was eager to see
Speaker 1: those two get in the ring. Um, I assume that's
Speaker 1: still very much on your radar to to do a
Speaker 1: rematch with Marlon at one twelve. Definitely, I still want
Speaker 1: to rematch with the Sparza. Um. I want to just
Speaker 1: shut her up once and for all. I want that
Speaker 1: to happen, And that's definitely still all my radar for sure.
Speaker 1: Felicia keeps winning and keeps getting all the bets, so
Speaker 1: it's a big money fight for both of both of you. Like,
Speaker 1: that's a huge, huge event. If that can happen sometime
Speaker 1: in the next year, you'd have last thing for you. Um,
Speaker 1: what's like people talk all the time. I heard Claressa
Speaker 1: Shields talking this week about it. Maybe she'd like Katie Taylor,
Speaker 1: like like the dream hypothetical fight. We used to see
Speaker 1: it in men's boxing with Manny pacquil at Oscite haway
Speaker 1: and nobody thought they would ever fight. They did, and
Speaker 1: it turned out to be a huge moment. I doubt
Speaker 1: Claressa and Katie fight. But you know what we can
Speaker 1: we can dream about that is there like a way
Speaker 1: up and wait, way above your weight class, like end
Speaker 1: of your career, like a dream fight for you. That
Speaker 1: like let's roll the dice and see what happens at
Speaker 1: a different way. Yeah. If I were to just take
Speaker 1: a huge risk and just face an opponent way out
Speaker 1: of my well, I would do it out of my
Speaker 1: weight class, So I would say a bantom weight. I
Speaker 1: would want to fight Ebony Bridges. I love Evany. I
Speaker 1: think she doesn't great. Evany, you do an amazing job
Speaker 1: at just promoting yourself and not giving a ship what
Speaker 1: anybody thinks. I think, um, it would be a fight
Speaker 1: that the fans would love. Um. I feel like the
Speaker 1: promotion for the fight would be great. So and then
Speaker 1: of course it's a huge risk for me because I'm
Speaker 1: so much smaller, So it would be an exciting fight.
Speaker 1: I would eat. Yeah, I would eat my way up.
Speaker 1: I would um. I mean, I'll have a very happy
Speaker 1: training camp. I would be at McDonald's every day. Now
Speaker 1: that sounds like something Sergio would say that sounds like
Speaker 1: something at McDonald's every day. You must remember some some
Speaker 1: of his weight cuts, like he he's told me many
Speaker 1: stories about the cut for Forest too, when he had
Speaker 1: to take the rematch. What do you remember about that? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I remember Sergio just just not I mean I I
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how how he just how the fight
Speaker 1: was just so um so soon. I mean as far
Speaker 1: as how much time he had to prepare. And uh, Sergio,
Speaker 1: he loses weight in not a very healthy way. You
Speaker 1: don't say, you don't say, but I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: take any weight loss advice from Sergio, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: He always says he lost that fight on the scale,
Speaker 1: even though he didn't lose it on scale. I actually
Speaker 1: made one fifty four. But he always said I was
Speaker 1: a zombie after that, but I weigh in he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Himlas died. Dean found him underneath. He was trying to
Speaker 1: lose weight and Dean found him passed out, just arms
Speaker 1: just spread wide open, laying on the floor. Dean walked
Speaker 1: up to him and thought he was dead and like
Speaker 1: he was like, there's no way You're like, we have to.
Speaker 1: Dean was like, I have to get him through this
Speaker 1: fight without him getting hurt or knocked out. So good
Speaker 1: thing Surgeon's footwork in defense came through because that kept
Speaker 1: him from, you know, getting knocked down as dying. As
Speaker 1: a friend of Sergio's, do you support or you against
Speaker 1: his passionate desire to fight Jake Paul in a fight.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, um, I would love to see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to see Jake Paul just hit Surgeon
Speaker 1: with right hand and just put him down. I've told
Speaker 1: it's too big a risk for him, like if he
Speaker 1: gets caught with like I mean, even at forty two,
Speaker 1: Sergio has kinesial tape all over his body. He's like
Speaker 1: a mummy. But even at is probably a better boxer
Speaker 1: than Jake. But if your feet aren't there and he
Speaker 1: hits you with something like that's your career Like that,
Speaker 1: that's how you're not the contender winner anymore. You're not
Speaker 1: a world champion, You're the X champion got knocked out
Speaker 1: by Jake Paul. Just stay retired, keep commentating. I would
Speaker 1: love to see. I would I would love to see
Speaker 1: the ship talk that Jake would go after Surgery with
Speaker 1: It would be amazing. I think they both would like.
Speaker 1: The build up would be like there's like maybe Tommy Fury,
Speaker 1: but there's very few boxers that would talk the way
Speaker 1: Surgeon could talk, and a build up for a fight
Speaker 1: like that. He would run his mouth daily on every
Speaker 1: social media and Sergio Sergio's training camp would be incredible.
Speaker 1: He'd smoke cigars before and after training sessions. He would um,
Speaker 1: you know, just be the typical Surgio gambling and smoking cigars,
Speaker 1: drinking beer. Would Dean Campos take him back? I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. Dean would definitely be in the corner
Speaker 1: a only because he's concerned that Sergio would be taken
Speaker 1: out of the ring in a freaking stretcher if he
Speaker 1: wasn't there in in Sergill's corner. So yes, Dean would
Speaker 1: definitely be there. Well, hopefully we're not going to that
Speaker 1: fight anytime. Seen uh. Saniza Strata back this Saturday defending
Speaker 1: her Hunter and five pound titles. Welcome back and thanks
Speaker 1: for joining me. Thank you. I am now your highest
Speaker 1: rated Mexican guests over. Sorry, Sergio, that's it for this
Speaker 1: week's episode. My thanks to Kevin Ioli and Sanissa Strata
Speaker 1: for joining the show. As always, subscribe rate Review this
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