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Speaker 1: Kevin Iolie is here, senior combat sports writer, boxing writer

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Speaker 1: over at Yahoo Sports. He is joining me from Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: but from I'm sure Kevin is going to be boarding

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Speaker 1: I'll give this to Floyd Kevin. He was masterful as

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Speaker 1: as a businessman during his retired years. He keeps taking

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Speaker 1: on these no hopers making seven figures. You know, who

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Speaker 1: knows what to believe and how much does He's making

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Speaker 1: seven figures and just like getting workouts in and seeing

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Speaker 1: the world. It's it's the greatest retirement story that's ever

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, you got to give the

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Speaker 1: there so much. And you know, I mean this guy

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Speaker 1: not like he's actually, if you include exhibitions, I think

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Speaker 1: this point. And look, if there's a market for it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be streams. I mean, cass I's known in the

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Speaker 1: I is a radio station, you know, but no, But

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Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be on his own pay per view.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna make a lot of money. I'm sure some

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Speaker 1: the line, does he slap Jake Paul as he said

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Speaker 1: But look good to spend it back to Floyd. Good

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Speaker 1: low risk. Was Zero that the first really good fighter

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Speaker 1: he fought. There's no question Bibill's in a a fighter,

423
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 1: you know um, And when he got in the ring

424
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Speaker 1: with an a fighter, he was ill equipped to deal

425
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 1: with it. And I think Zero is talented enough that

426
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 1: had he seen that prior, you know, maybe you're not

427
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 1: going to see a Dmitri bibl prior, but you know

428
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 1: some better. You know, there was some good guys at

429
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: sixty eight when he was there. He could have fought

430
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 1: some of those guys. He would have been more equipped

431
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 1: for this, and I think would have been it had

432
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 1: a better chance to winning. I don't think he would

433
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 1: ever won that fight, but he would have had a chance.

434
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: And even if you lose in boxing, if you get

435
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 1: one low level win, you were all the way back.

436
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: And it's like, all right now we want to see

437
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: him back. If if zero went out and knock somebody

438
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: out in his next fight, be like, well, is he

439
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna fight a cruise way? He's gonna fight for a title? There?

440
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean losses, we could go all day long on

441
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 1: that don't mean anything, all right. The question now for

442
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 1: Dmitri people going forward is what's next? Um It certainly

443
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: sounds like Archer betterbe is headed forward. That fight against

444
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Speaker 1: the Anthony Yard in the first quarter January February is

445
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 1: something like at um, it's a w B, a mandatory.

446
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 1: He's got to do it to keep his belts. It's

447
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 1: already signed field and delivered accord to people have talked

448
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: to you with with top rank um. But if there's

449
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: an option for be Evil in like May or June

450
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: of next year, what's the bigger fight for him in

451
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: your mind? Is it that unification fight with Archer betterbev

452
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: or is it a rematch with Canelo, a generational pound

453
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: for pound talent which could conceivably take place at a

454
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight pounds, which would put people in

455
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: position to fight for the undisputed championship there. He commented

456
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: to you in the ring in Abu Dhabi, and I

457
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: think he showed you, you know, I mean he said,

458
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: that's I'm not I'm a light heavyweight, and you know

459
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 1: that's a tough cut. You know, he's he's an amazing athlete.

460
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: He's lean and at one five. Now you're gonna ask

461
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: him to take seven pounds off against the world class

462
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: fighter like Canelo. Um, you know, that is a really,

463
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: really difficult thing to do. I think of his team

464
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: and he you know, if they get a nutritionist and

465
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Speaker 1: they feel like they can make it, that fight is

466
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: both a money fight and a legacy fight. So it

467
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: gives you both because if you beat Canello. I think

468
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,239
Speaker 1: he put yourself in the Hall of Fame. Give him

469
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 1: when he's already done. That is, you know, he may

470
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Speaker 1: be in now as it is anyways, but I think

471
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Speaker 1: if you beat Canello a second time, you are a

472
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. You've done that. You're stamping yourself. Is

473
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest fighters in the world. There's no

474
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Speaker 1: doubt he would be in the top five pound for

475
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Speaker 1: pound at that point. You know, some people have him

476
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Speaker 1: in the top ten. Now some people have them just

477
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Speaker 1: outside the top ten. He's in if he does that.

478
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Speaker 1: But if you know on the side of fighting better

479
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: b of you know you're gonna go up against maybe

480
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Speaker 1: like the Mike Tyson of light heavyweights, a guy what

481
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Speaker 1: is he is? He's seventeen to know, with seventeen knocks,

482
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you know just I mean, he just

483
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: destroyed Joe Smith, a pretty good, solid fighter, great and

484
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: he destroys him. It wasn't even so if you go

485
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: in there and you win the undisputed light heavyweight title

486
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: by beating that guy, I think again, you know you're

487
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: gonna like, hey, when you cop it on top of

488
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: his his win over canell O, and that again, you know,

489
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: this guy saying, hey, this is a Hall of Fame fighter. Um,

490
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: so he has good choices to make, you know. Obviously

491
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: the Cannelo fight is going to be the richer fight.

492
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Speaker 1: I wonder if they can do this, if they could

493
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Speaker 1: have Cannello, excuse me, Bibbl and better Be have come

494
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: back and maybe May and fight like after Cannelo does,

495
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: and then them fighting September on the rematch and and

496
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Speaker 1: do it that way. I don't know who you would

497
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: put Cannelo within the introim if you did that, but

498
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: I think that might be something for for Bibbl's team

499
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: that now he's the undisputed light heavyweight champion going up

500
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Speaker 1: against the undisputed and they can pull a Sugar Raylan

501
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: or Donni la Lan thing. We're weighing at one and

502
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: you're fighting for undispeter to both classes. That's a good point.

503
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: You could do both sugar rates certainly did it. I

504
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: would better Be doesn't just beat guys ends careers at

505
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: one point, and did Alexander Vastick's career unclear if we

506
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: see Joe Smith ever again back in the ring. Um,

507
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: if I'm Bevil and I can in a healthy way

508
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: get down into one sight, I would push for that

509
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: fight because not only is there a lot of money, um,

510
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: you would be the favorite going in. You would have

511
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: a chance to win all the belts at one eight

512
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: and do what nobody has ever done, which is when

513
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: two undisputed champions on the men's side, respect Claressa Shields

514
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: on the men's I went two undisputed championships and do

515
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: it in two fights like that would be a really

516
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: remarkable and historical accomplishment. It all comes down to his

517
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: ability to cut weight. And look, the only reason I

518
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: bring it up, and I brought it up to him

519
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: in the ring, it's because he suggested before, like when

520
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: he was not getting fights at one seventy five, he

521
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: was talking about being able to cut down to one eight.

522
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: And that to me makes the Canello fight a little

523
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: bit more interesting. If it's Canello be Evil at one

524
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: we've seen it. Like, I don't think Canello wins that

525
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 1: fight as as great as Canelo w is. I think

526
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: that's a bridge too far for him to up against

527
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: a fighter like that at that weight class at one

528
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Speaker 1: sixty eight. You take a little bit out of Dmitri

529
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Speaker 1: be Evil, maybe his speed, maybe his reflexes. Maybe they

530
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: go a little bit, you give yourself a little bit

531
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: more of a chance. That fight interested me, Kevin, I

532
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: would be more on board for beavil Canello at one

533
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: right now that I am for Bevil better Be. The

534
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: Other part of it is, you just can't count on Archer.

535
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: Better Be have to be healthy like you, just if

536
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: you're banking on you times, if you're banking on him

537
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: to be able to fight in June or mayor June,

538
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if after. I mean personally, I don't

539
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: think Anthony. I talked to John Scully about him, though,

540
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: and John Scully is confident that he could come back

541
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 1: one of his training. I don't believe the Yard fight

542
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: is going to go very long. Anthony Yard. Good for

543
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: him for getting in this position, but he's he's better be.

544
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: He's a steam roller man, and I don't think Yard

545
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: can put up the resistance to him. A lot of

546
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: people like I was talking to some people at top

547
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: rank and criticizeing the fight. Right after the Joe Smith fight,

548
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: I was no, no, no with Anthony Yard um and

549
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't understand why boxing likes those kind of fights

550
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: and why the organizations make these kind of mandatories because

551
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: you know what, it benefits them. And then there and

552
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: then they're not gonna get crop up from people like

553
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: you and me if they look and they say, hey,

554
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: you know what, let's let's set it up so that

555
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: we can have this big fight. You know whoever the

556
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: big fight happens to be. But in this case, like

557
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: a bivil and him like set it up for that

558
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: because now it's gonna be a big money fight, you know,

559
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to an Anthony Yard fight, which is you know,

560
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: not gonna be a little bit less. And and then

561
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: theoretically a Canello fight. I I don't I don't understand

562
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: in boxing likes to put these goofy little fights in there,

563
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: and I don't think you need it. And and to

564
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: me that's something on the business side. I love what's

565
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: going on in boxing thing. I think there's so many

566
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: I've covered boxing for what forty years, I covered fights

567
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: in the seventies, um, and I I think the current

568
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: talent now, the world championship level talent and just below

569
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: that on the way up, is as good as it's been,

570
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: like you know, maybe in the late eighties, mid eighties,

571
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: you know, there's been there's a lot of guys and

572
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: a lot of divisions. Plus you see some of these

573
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: kids coming up or five and oh six. And I'm

574
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: not holding on Ashton Sylviette, but the kid that fought

575
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: on the Jake Paul Undercar. But I think he's a

576
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: guy I look at it going. You know, maybe he

577
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: is something. I'm not there on him yet, but he's

578
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: a guy that attracted my interest. So why not take

579
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: advantage of this and promote these great fighters and promote

580
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: them in big fight because you know what, I know

581
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia wants to fight Tank Davis. I know that

582
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: Devin Haney wants to fight Loma and Shakoor Stevenson. Um,

583
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: you know Taafimo Lopez wants to fight Josh Taylor. All.

584
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: You know these kids want to fight each other. Let

585
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: him do it. No networks, promoters, politics, everything stands in

586
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: the way. And it's it is absolutely keeping boxing from rising.

587
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Boxing it easily rise if it just gets out of

588
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: its own way. We've been having that conversation for many

589
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: years now. To put a button on the biball topic.

590
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: Canelos out there just to ad hand surgery. Eddie Hearn

591
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: says he'll be back training and full by end of

592
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: December early January, theoretically healthy enough to fight in May.

593
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Should Canello pursue the rematch with Dmitri Beeble? He was

594
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: beaten pretty soundly in that last fight. Um, he's a

595
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: dominant one, but at one seventy he can beat someone

596
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: like Sergey Kovlev. Can he compete with Beevil? Can he

597
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: compete with better bf? That might be um just a

598
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: way too big at this point for Canello? Should should

599
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: he pursue the Beevil fight? Or should he look in

600
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: the direction of, say, the winner of David Benavidez versus

601
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: Caleb Plant, which across our fingers, we think is going

602
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: to happen in the first quarter of two thousand twenty three.

603
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: You know, here's the problem. I I picked Cannelo to

604
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: beat Bivil, and I said it was a fight, but

605
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: I thought, if it's a close fight in Las Vegas,

606
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: that Canelo is gonna win the decision, you know, right,

607
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: So he almost did get like the Vegas push because

608
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: I've had like seventeen eleven I think, and I don't

609
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't. But you know, when you look at that,

610
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: when you see them in the ring fighting, I'm bibls

611
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: considerably bigger and in the reach. You know, Cannello didn't

612
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: have a way to really touch him the way he

613
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: touches a lot of these guys that are his size.

614
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Because Cannelo is an accurate puncher, he's quick, he's got

615
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: good footwork to put himself in position. He did those

616
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: things against Bibble, but then Bivil had that little reach

617
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: advantage on the pole with a job, and that job

618
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: was slow Cannelo down for a second and Bibl with

619
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: throw a combination. So just are you bringing bibbl down

620
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: to sixty eight? Is that going to stop that? If

621
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Bibbil can make sixty eight healthy, I don't know how

622
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: Cannelo turns that around. Now for Cannelo, you know, Canelo

623
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: is like a guy. He likes to say, bleep you,

624
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: I can do it, and he's gonna prove itself to you.

625
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: And so that's what we love about Canelo that he

626
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: has that brash attitude and that's what we wanted a guy.

627
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: And so from that standpoint, you say, hey, you know,

628
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: God bless you, you've done so much. Go ahead and try.

629
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: But I I like your line of thinking because I

630
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: think you know what you've proven that that size is

631
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: too big of an issue against you, and if you

632
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: beat him a second time, there's always going to be

633
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Speaker 1: that lingering doubt. Well, bibbl came down and wait and

634
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Speaker 1: that's not you know, that's not good for him. And

635
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Roy Jones proved that right when Roy Jones went down

636
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Speaker 1: after he won the heavyweight title and he went back down.

637
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 1: You know that was a massive mistake. You drop all

638
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Speaker 1: that muscle off and you're not the same same type

639
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: of fighter that you were before. And who did you fight?

640
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Speaker 1: Glenn Johnson? I think he got knocked out twice Um

641
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Speaker 1: and that you know, that became a big issue. So

642
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Speaker 1: to my way of thinking, Chris Um, I think Canelo

643
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: might be better to look at somebody and you know, hey,

644
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: he fought Plant on the Plant has a little bit

645
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Speaker 1: of heat after that knockout of Durrell. But if Benevitez

646
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Speaker 1: beats him, and I think, you know, that's the hope

647
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Speaker 1: that PBC has because Benevidez is the fresh face that

648
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Speaker 1: they can now set Benevitez up to fight him, And

649
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Speaker 1: to me, that's a great fight for Canelo because Benevidez

650
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Speaker 1: is a big kid, right, bigger than Canelo. And I

651
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Speaker 1: think that's the fight, and then you can have Biblico fight.

652
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Speaker 1: Better be a first look. Canelo has not been ducking Benevitez.

653
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Speaker 1: We need to be the idea, like these trolls out

654
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Speaker 1: there is you are. I'm moron if you think that

655
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Speaker 1: Canello ducky. If David Benevitez had not screwed up the

656
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Speaker 1: WBC title situation, he would have fucking l already. Canel

657
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Speaker 1: I was chasing those belts. He went after the guys

658
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Speaker 1: with the belts that he fun a legacy fight against

659
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Speaker 1: genetic lacause he's not ducking Benevidez, and Benavidez, to his credit,

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Speaker 1: has said I need to earn that fight with Canello.

661
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: He's been chasing it. And this Plant fight after Plant

662
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Speaker 1: just stopped Anthony Durrell. Is that kind of stepping stone

663
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Speaker 1: type of fight if he gets I think that's a

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Speaker 1: good fight. Yeah, but it would springboar him. I gues

665
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Speaker 1: stepping stone is the wrong word, springboard him into Canello fight.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't hate the idea of Canelo waiting

667
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Speaker 1: until September fighting David Benavidez and if he wins and

668
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Speaker 1: if he comes out clean. There's nothing stopping Canello from

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Speaker 1: doing one of those Eddie hern specialties and fighting overseas

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Speaker 1: somewhere against like a John Ryder type which has been

671
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Speaker 1: in the Waters tribe. Yeah, like you can do that.

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00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: He can get his two fights a year in, make

673
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Speaker 1: his money and and stay as active as he'd like

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Speaker 1: to stay. I don't hate that idea. But Cannello, as

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Speaker 1: you alluded to, like he's a little bit crazy, like

676
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Speaker 1: he's he I'm sure it gnaws at him that he

677
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: lost it Dmitri people. I'm sure it really really bothers him.

678
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Speaker 1: I just don't know to your earlier point, I don't

679
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Speaker 1: know that he's going to be able to turn the

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Speaker 1: tide on on a situation like that. All Right, last

681
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Speaker 1: thing I want to hit you with. You're a great

682
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Speaker 1: piece over Yahoo Sports about the thirteen fights that you

683
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Speaker 1: want to see in two thousand twenty three. Some of

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Speaker 1: them are realistic. You've got Joshua are Sorry, Fury against us.

685
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Speaker 1: Maybe Fury against Joshua we could see that. Others, especially

686
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Speaker 1: in the lower weight classes, not so much. You've got

687
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Speaker 1: Spence Crawford still doing their thing back and forth. I

688
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Speaker 1: really love the idea of in a way versus Stephen Fulton,

689
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Speaker 1: that's a tremendous fight. If you're Stephen Fulton, what are

690
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Speaker 1: you doing out there right now? I mean you just

691
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Speaker 1: kinda I mean the Aquadalia fight, it was never gonna

692
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: come together anyway. Now Aquadalia is hurt, like you gotta

693
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Speaker 1: strike while the iron's hant if in a way moves up,

694
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Speaker 1: you gotta push hard for that type of He's got

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Speaker 1: the unification fight in December, and then I think they're

696
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Speaker 1: ready to go. Oh yeah in a way. I mean, yeah,

697
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Speaker 1: he's he's gone. I'm up those belts of fracture and

698
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Speaker 1: then um, we'll see what happened. But that that to

699
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Speaker 1: me when I looked at your list. You know, I

700
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Speaker 1: love Ryan versus Tank and I actually think we're getting

701
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: closer to making a deal on that fight. But when

702
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Speaker 1: I saw in a way versus Fulton, men give me

703
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: that in a way style of come forward, big power,

704
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: full more of a slicker boxer. I love that style matchup.

705
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Speaker 1: I tried to make put fights that. I said, Okay,

706
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Speaker 1: what fights do I want to see? And there was

707
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Speaker 1: a bunch of other ones I wanted, but like Andy

708
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Ruise and Wilder was in the work, So I didn't

709
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Speaker 1: put that on there. I called for that fight before.

710
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Speaker 1: Now I think it's too late, right, and Andy Ruise's

711
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: star continues to drop. You know, I I if he

712
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: would have fought Wilder instead of Robert hellneous and forget

713
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Speaker 1: about Louis. I mean PBC kept trying to sell the

714
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Speaker 1: ghost of Louise ortiz Iss some threat. And you know

715
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Speaker 1: who do Louise Whorts? He's ever beat in his professional career,

716
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Speaker 1: and yes he has power, and you know, yes he

717
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: knocked down you know, Deontay Wilder, but you know what,

718
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: he got beaten by him, and he's what can be?

719
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Speaker 1: Could he knocked down Wilder? He hurt Wilder? Did he

720
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Speaker 1: knocked him down? Didn't know? I think he heard him

721
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Speaker 1: in that first of the Brooklyn fight. Okay, so not

722
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: in the second fight for sure, But you know Wilder

723
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Speaker 1: dominated the second fight. But either way, you know he

724
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: had him in some difficulty, was ahead. But who is

725
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: who is ortiz ever beaten? So to me, the fight

726
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: if and if Wilder had decided to take a long

727
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: even longer off, I would have understood. But Wilder coming

728
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: off that Fury fight, to me, Andy Ruise was to

729
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: fight to make, because you know, Wilder is, like you

730
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: said about Canello, crazy water, wants to be in there,

731
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Speaker 1: and God bless him for the attitude he is. He's

732
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: one of the guys that wants to make the big

733
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Speaker 1: fights and he's looking to fight, you know, the big

734
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Speaker 1: guys if you wanted to get one of those fights again.

735
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: And Andy Ruise was to fight to make. In my opinion,

736
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Speaker 1: you know, Helennius just didn't have the name power. But

737
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what you know. The PBC, I guess,

738
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: was trying to milk every single last thing they could

739
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Speaker 1: get out of Ortiz. And what do they do? They

740
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Speaker 1: did a dud of a pay per view and it

741
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Speaker 1: actually Andy didn't look great in that fight, right. I mean,

742
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: if Andy blows him on, puts him down and puts

743
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Speaker 1: his arms up in the air while Ortiz is rolling

744
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: around on the canvas, that's one thing, but very tentative

745
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: in the fight. Knocked Ortis down a few times, but

746
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if the punch resistance is there for

747
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: Andy Ruize like it used to be. And he took

748
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: that shotmanthrow to Joshua, got up, came back, knocked him up.

749
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: But you look at the area are totally different. But

750
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Ariola knocked him down. I think he was a little

751
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: bit nervous about Ortiz in that fight. In his power Wilder,

752
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean ruise catch Wilder. I mean like he's got

753
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: good hands. That's what makes a fight interest. But I

754
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: tried to look at other fights, Chris and say so

755
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: I brought Joe Joyce up because think about Joe Joyce.

756
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: To me, he reminds me of a poor man's George Foreman, big, strong,

757
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: kind of slow, but he moves forward and he can

758
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: take a shot. And you would see George come out

759
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: of those fights, is wearing the sunglasses, his face got

760
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: beat up. But somebody's you know, you know, babbling incoherently

761
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: in the corner because he knocked that, you know, the

762
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: hell out of him. And I think that, you know,

763
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: that sort of Joe in a lower level reminds me.

764
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Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell me, Deante Water versus Joe Joyce

765
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: would not be an unbelievable fight to watch, you know,

766
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: just from a fans perspective, it wouldn't be a fun fight.

767
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, somebody's gonna get knocked out. You know it's

768
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: gonna be Rockham sockham robots, and so that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what I tried to do, was I went down that list,

770
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Speaker 1: and you know, I had to hit some of the

771
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: obvious ones like Spence and Crawford that were there. But

772
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, and I do want to see that fight

773
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Speaker 1: because I think, you know, you're talking to welterweights in

774
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: their prime. Who are you know, among the five best

775
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: fighters in the world, would you agree? And when you

776
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: have that that that uplifts boxing when those kind of

777
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: guys fight, and you can also showcase other elite talent

778
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: on those undercards. Right. Um. I remember many years ago,

779
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: and I've said this on many interviews, Chris, but when

780
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Speaker 1: de Laoia Mayweather got made, I called Richard Shaffer, he

781
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: was a golden boy at the time, and I said, Richard,

782
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: you should put Raphael Marquez and Israel Vasquez on that undercard.

783
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: And he's always going to cost a million dollars to

784
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Speaker 1: make that fight. What did that fight make? I think

785
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: it made two million dollars uh that night. That one

786
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: million dollar investment would have not helped them that night,

787
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: but it would help boxing's future. People are gonna who

788
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: went away from boxing, and I said, holy shit, are

789
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: these guys. Is this what boxing is now? And I

790
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: think that's what they miss on when they don't put

791
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: those kind of fights on pay per view. I agree,

792
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: I agree, um, And if you're gonna do pay per views,

793
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: stack them as best you can and know the money

794
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: isn't there like it used to be. But you've got

795
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Speaker 1: to do better than what most of these pay per

796
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: views are, which is a decent headlining fight and then

797
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of one sided fights on the under card.

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Speaker 1: It's it's problematic, Kevin Iolie. You are off to New

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Speaker 1: York to cover UFC this weekend, so we'll be on

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: separate coast. Even though I live on the East coast,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the West coast. You'll be uh in my

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Speaker 1: back switch back right. Appreciate your time, Kevin, Thank you, Chris,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. And when we come back, my conversation with

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Speaker 1: and I'd like to be accurate here on the show.

842
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: But Sergio is a free question. We joked though, but

843
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: you know you were an avid follower of Sergio. You

844
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: effectively are a stable mate of Sergio, since you are

845
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: trained by Dean Campos, who of course was in Sergio's

846
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: corner for many years during his career. So you are

847
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: in a way of protege of not protegea I guess

848
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: is wrong word. But I guess the disciple of yes,

849
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: I believe it or not. I was a fan of

850
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: Surgio growing up. I was probably one of his ten

851
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: fans growing up. I'm just kidding. No, Sergio had a

852
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: great style, great footwork and defense, and I grew up.

853
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: We grew up. I grew up training in the same

854
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: gym as him. Um I was just training. My dad

855
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: was training at the time, and Dean was training Sergio.

856
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: They were getting ready to go um through the Olympic

857
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: trials and then after that he got onto the Contender

858
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: TV show and went through that one. It and uh.

859
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: I started training with Dean when I was sixteen, and

860
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: it was because I loved Surgio style was about that,

861
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: just it was different. His footwork and defense was great.

862
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: Of course, Sergio doesn't have power, and that was sorry Sergio,

863
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: but everybody knows that he was. He wasn't a power puncher.

864
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: But that's why Dean had to create all these different

865
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: all these different moves and and training methods and techniques

866
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: him to be able to be able to win fights

867
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: against fighters who are a lot stronger or even a

868
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: lot more experience than him. So he can get through

869
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: these fights and his style worked our style. I mean

870
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: I fight that way too, with my footwork in my

871
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: defense and my movement, except I actually I have the

872
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: powers that makes it even easier for me. For people

873
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: that don't understand, like what made his footwork special? When

874
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: you watched his footwork, what did you see him? What

875
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: did you try to to kind of emulate? I mean,

876
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: foot placement is so important important in boxing that makes

877
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: a huge difference as to I mean, for example, we

878
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: saw that last weekend with the Bibol and Zero fight.

879
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: His foot placement was just perfect, and that's what made

880
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: his punches be so precise and accurate and made it

881
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: easier for him to land all the punches that he

882
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: wanted to. So when watching Sergoe, I just recognize and

883
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: noticed how his foot placement was always just so good.

884
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: It put him positions to where he was able to

885
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: land punches from the side of opponents and landin punches

886
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: from all different angles. Like you, you didn't know where

887
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: Surgio was going next. And that's the same thing with

888
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: me and my style, Like my opponents don't know what

889
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do next because I'm always I'm always keeping

890
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: them guessing. But I always know what I'm gonna do next.

891
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: You switch a lot in the ring. To Surgery didn't

892
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: switch that much, did he. He didn't switch as much,

893
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: but but yes, he was very good at at throwing

894
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: certain punches out out of a south Pall stance, because

895
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: that's what Dean does teach us. That's that's tricky, right,

896
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen it's my handful of fighters that

897
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: really switch in boxing. Terence Crawford does it at pretty

898
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: high level. This I'm blanking, but I'm sure there's a

899
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: few others like that. That's not easy to kind of

900
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: master because you've got to be really comfortable in both stances, right,

901
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: you do, And I'm actually very comfortable. I'm more comfortable

902
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: in a Southhall stance than I am an orthodox stance.

903
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: Like even Dean was like, man, like, you can do

904
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: certain things easier out of a south Pall stance. And

905
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: when I started boxing, I would always stand left handed,

906
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: and my dad would always make me turn back to

907
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: orthodox dance. But as time went on, he noticed that

908
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: I was doing seeing so much better out of a

909
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: South Paul stance and it was kind of just working

910
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: what I was doing, so he kind of just let

911
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: me be and let me um switch back and forth

912
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: when I felt it was necessary. Everybody knows now women's

913
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: boxing is experiencing like an unbelievable surge. You've got women

914
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: making seven figure pay days, the biggest boxing matches on

915
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: men's or women's side, or being fought by women. You know,

916
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: you'll go back to Katie Taylor Amanda Serrano. A couple

917
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: of weekends ago, you had a great card overrom the

918
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: UK where both women's fights were were impressive. I want

919
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: to ask you about that. But when you first started

920
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: in boxing, when back when you were eight nine years old,

921
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: what was women's boxing back then? Like, what do you

922
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: remember women's boxing being when you first picked up those gloves? Well?

923
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: I started watching boxing with my dad when I was

924
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: about six year years old, and the first question I

925
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: asked him was Dad, do girls box? Because we didn't

926
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: watch any women on TV. It was just men, So

927
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think that women's boxing even existed. So growing

928
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: up I getting into boxing, I didn't realize how how

929
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: dead woman's boxing was. In l A. I was one

930
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: of maybe three girls who were in going into every

931
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: gym and East l A for sparring and in l

932
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: A m because it was still what like Christy Martin

933
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: lay Lally, Yeah, like the end of that, like a

934
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: riker kinda. There wasn't in professional the fresh and level.

935
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: It was more as a gimmicky but it was few

936
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: and far between we saw women's fight. Yeah, I wasn't

937
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: enough to like keep no depth, no depth, yeah exactly, So,

938
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: um it was. It was pretty difficult coming growing up

939
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: in l A. Being one of the very few girls

940
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: walking into a box xing gym and all my sparring

941
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: partners were boys. It was hard to even find another

942
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: girl to spar with. UM. So to see how far

943
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: it's come now is just incredible. Like I've always known

944
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: it would get to the point where it is now,

945
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: I just didn't know when. That's the one thing about

946
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: one's boxing. Getting into woman's boxing that early, it was

947
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: just so unpredictable and wanting to turn pro. I had

948
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: no idea how dead woman's boxing still was at the time,

949
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and my professional career took was a very slow start

950
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: because I was so inactive. Big promoters weren't signing women,

951
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: women weren't fighting on TV. But now the breakthrough has

952
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: been incredible. It's just been in the past couple of years.

953
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: This year actually is, like, like you said, the best

954
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: year that woman's boxing has had ever. Well, when did

955
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: you decide that this would be a career path? Like

956
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: when does it go from being something you want to

957
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: do because you're sit in front of a TV and

958
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: watch and ask your dad, are the women box too?

959
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: This is something I want to do for most of

960
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: my life. I knew that when I was seven before

961
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: I started boxing. I started boxing at eight years old.

962
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: But when I was seven, I was sitting in front

963
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: of the TV watching a boxing fight, don't I don't

964
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: remember which fight specifically, but I thought to myself, this

965
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. This is what I'm

966
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: going to do for the rest of my life. Were

967
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: not the rest of my life, but you know, as

968
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: a professional, this is going to be my career. I'm

969
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: going to be a world champion one day. I'm going

970
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: to fight on TV one day, and I'm going to

971
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: be signed by one of the biggest promoters in boxing

972
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: one day. I said that at seven years old, when

973
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: like like, my dad thought I was fucking crazy. He

974
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: thought like he thought I was insane. Of course my

975
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: mom did too for a very long time, but um,

976
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: I just knew it. I knew it, and I knew

977
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: women's boxing would be where it is right now. And

978
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: your dad, as he's been around, he's around every one

979
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: of your fights, works your corner along with Dean. Um.

980
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: You still you've told the story before, but he was

981
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: initially skeptical of it, right, Like he threw you win

982
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: with a boy your first time out. Yeah, when I

983
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: first asked him if I can box, he avoided taking

984
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: me to a gym for about six months. I was

985
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: constantly just bugging him, and I think it got to

986
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: the point where he was just annoyed. So he was like,

987
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: all right, fine, like I'll take her to a gym.

988
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: And Um, I was training for about two weeks and

989
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: he still didn't want me boxing. So he asked my

990
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: trainer at the time to put me in the ring

991
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: just bar with a boy so he can beat me up,

992
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: make me cry. That way, I would not want to

993
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: go back to the gym ever year old daughter cry.

994
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: So I get in there with the boy, and the

995
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: boy had been sparring, I mean had been boxing for

996
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: a few months. Get in there. My technique was awful.

997
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing. All I knew

998
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: was I mean, I knew I just wanted to go

999
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: in there and just just fight, and that's what I did.

1000
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: So I ended up making the boy cry, making him quit,

1001
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: and he never came back to the gym again. So

1002
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: the plant kind of backfired on my dad. But I

1003
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: think even though he didn't show it in his facial expressions,

1004
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: in his mind he was thinking, holy sh it, like

1005
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: she has some she has potential and there's something, there's something.

1006
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: They're like, I gotta I gotta give her a chance

1007
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: to at least see what she can do in this sport.

1008
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: How does Dean get involved in your life? I mean

1009
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: he became well known as the trainer for Sergio Mora.

1010
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: When Sergio wins, the contender goes on to world championship

1011
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: level fights, fights burn as far as twice. Obviously Dean

1012
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: intimately involved in that. When does he get involved in

1013
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: your career? So around the time where I knew that

1014
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to turn pro, I I asked me and

1015
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: my dad had a talk and I was like, I

1016
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: want Dean to train me because I knew, like I

1017
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: had a great amateur career. How I had over a

1018
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: hundred amateur fights and my style has never been very amateurish,

1019
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: so I knew my I would have an easy transition

1020
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: into the pros. But I knew that I had to

1021
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: be better. I wanted to get better, like I still

1022
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: want to get better every single every single fight. I

1023
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: want to be better. So I I told my dad,

1024
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: I think Dean would be the perfect person to just

1025
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: teach me new things and take me to another another level.

1026
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: And my dad like, what's so great about him? And

1027
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: is he's not one of those boxing fathers who just

1028
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: want full control of their kid's career, and and that

1029
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: that was the great thing. I think that was the

1030
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: best decision he could have ever made, was letting Dean

1031
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: take full control over UM my style and everything that

1032
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Dean wants to teach me. So we were still training

1033
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: at the same gym as Dean, as we've always had

1034
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: um and my dad goes into the gym one day

1035
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: and says, Dean, can you help me out with sneeze?

1036
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I was you know, we just wanted it. We kind

1037
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: of wanted to like break ap in easily and easy

1038
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: and say, you know, just help help her out UM

1039
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: and show her some new things. So Dean hates woman's boxing,

1040
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: hates woman's, well hated woman's until I say past tense um.

1041
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: And he was not was not up for training me. Um.

1042
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: My dad gave him some some old tapes and he

1043
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: left them there and he said, here's some tapes if

1044
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 1: you want to check them out. And uh, Dean would

1045
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: see me sparring in the gym here and there. But

1046
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: you know that that that was pretty much it. So

1047
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Dean was Dean said he was bored. One night, he

1048
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: throws on my old tapes and he starts watching me

1049
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: and he's like, he thinks himself, wow, Like she's doing

1050
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: stuff that Sergio doesn't even do, or doing stuff as

1051
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: a kid that took Sergio years to even perfect or learn.

1052
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: And I was just fighting off of instinct. And so

1053
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: he gave me. He we what. We came to the

1054
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: gym the next day and he's like, Cigary, I'll help

1055
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: her out. I'll show her some things. So Dean still

1056
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to train me a cent, so he thought, okay,

1057
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: well let me let me show her some things. It's

1058
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna just blow her mind and she's not going to

1059
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: understand it, and she's gonna say, I don't want to

1060
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: train with Dean anymore. So he taught me this move. Um,

1061
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't explain it. I would have to

1062
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: get up and show you. So he taught me this move,

1063
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: and I spawned. I had sparring set up already the

1064
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: next day, so he's like, we'll try it and sparring

1065
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: if you can. You know, no big deal if you

1066
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I thought to myself, this is easy.

1067
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this in sparring. Like I already already

1068
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: knew in my mind that I was gonna I was

1069
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: gonna do it multiple times, not just one time. Get

1070
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: in the ring, I do the move that he showed

1071
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: me the day before, and we still have we still

1072
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: have the footage of that. You could hear Dean say,

1073
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: tell my dad, Joe, Joe, she fucking did it. She

1074
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: did the move, Oh my god. And he's like, it

1075
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: took Sergio fucking two years to perfect this move and

1076
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: she just did it the next day after I showed

1077
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: it to her. So, Um, after that, I think kind

1078
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: of the same thing with my dad. When my dad

1079
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: first put me in the ring and didn't think I

1080
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: was capable of doing anything. Dean kind of thought the

1081
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: same thing, and after that it just made it so

1082
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: easy for him to just train me and teach me

1083
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: things because I just picked up on everything so quickly

1084
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: and easily. You hear that a lot, or I hear

1085
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: that a lot from women's boxing trainers, the skepticism they

1086
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: have coming into it, and then how happy they are

1087
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: that they did, whether it's Al Mitchell and MICHAELA. Mayor

1088
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: Ross Enemy and Katie Taylor and now Dean who you're

1089
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: You're basically his stable at this point as far as

1090
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: professionals go, and and he's totally committed to working with you. Yeah,

1091
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: And that's crazy because I remember when Dean, when I

1092
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: first turned pro, he didn't tell me this because he

1093
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: didn't want to discourage me make me feel bad. So

1094
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: but now he told me years later that he thoughts

1095
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: to himself, Man, if this girl makes fifty in her

1096
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: entire professional career, like I'll be happy with that. And

1097
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: then when I made my first hundred thousand for one fight,

1098
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: he was like, oh fuck, like this is okay, Like

1099
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: this this is this is different, Like things are changing.

1100
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: And I don't blame him for not wanting to train me,

1101
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: or blame other trainers for not wanting to train women

1102
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: because I didn't like women's boxing either when I was

1103
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: coming up as a kid, Like the fights that I

1104
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: would see on TV or would see in the pros,

1105
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: the skill level was just terrible, Like why would you

1106
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: want to see that? You know it? It kind of

1107
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: it just wasn't where it's at now. Now women are

1108
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: so skilled. If you don't like women's boxing and you

1109
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: watch the top women like Katie, Amanda, Clarissa, me Michaela,

1110
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: all the top women, our skill level is so good

1111
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: that whether or not you're a woman's boxing fan, you're

1112
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: going to become one watching us because you just can't

1113
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: deny the talent level. You didn't have the traditional amateur

1114
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: pop that some of these other women had, with Katie

1115
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: winning a gold medal and competing into Olympics, Claressa winning

1116
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: two gold medals, MICHAELA Mayre coming out of the two

1117
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen Olympics, what was your first breakthrough? Like what

1118
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: was what do you feel like was your Olympic moment

1119
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: where you kind of got that that bounce that put

1120
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: you on another level in the amateur well not the them,

1121
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: because you were in the pros at first, but like,

1122
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: what was your breakthrough moment like in the program. Um,

1123
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say it all started with

1124
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: Tom Loffler giving me the opportunity to fight on multiple

1125
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: Triple G under cards and then choke l Eto cars

1126
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: because obviously those brought in so many, so many people.

1127
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: Those are big cards, and Tom did a lot of

1128
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes that doesn't get a lot of

1129
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: credit for it, whether there's a flyweights and mainstreaming them

1130
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: and as you said, you know women's boxing putting you

1131
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: on those cards. Yeah, and he put me on those

1132
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: cards of course because I was able to sell a

1133
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: lot of tickets in l A, which which is great,

1134
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, of course it was. It was great for me.

1135
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Tom does love when you sell tickets. That's another thing.

1136
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's business. He wouldn't have he wouldn't have

1137
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: put me on those cars if I couldn't sell tickets.

1138
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I love Tom Or We've still have

1139
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: a great relationship up and um manage. It's been almost

1140
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: ten years since I've known him, and um, I'm thankful

1141
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: that he gave me that opportunity to be on all

1142
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: those cards, and that's what gave me that break through.

1143
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: I remember when I was on my first triple G

1144
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: undercard UM, Roy Jones was ringside with Max and they

1145
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: were rehearsing, and Roy kept looking back and watching watching

1146
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: my fight while they were trying to rehearse. And I

1147
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: can hear someone say Roy, like we're rehearsing, and Roy's

1148
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, no, stop wait a minute,

1149
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: and Roy stopped the rehearsal. I kept watching my fight

1150
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: until it was until it was over. And then the

1151
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: next day at UM I believe it was who was

1152
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: he training at the time, Jesse Vargas I believe helped

1153
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: him for a fight. At the press conference UM I

1154
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: went to do some media interviews and I was sitting

1155
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: in the crowd and he completely stopped the press conference.

1156
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: He was like, I know this is completely off the

1157
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: record right now, but you see that girl right there

1158
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: you point out. I mean I even looked behind me.

1159
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, who is he talking about? And

1160
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: He's like, stand up, tell everybody your name, and I

1161
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: was like, Sansa. I was so nervous, and I was like,

1162
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, like that's Roy Jones, my hero, UM,

1163
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: one of my favorite fighters of all time besides Sugary Leonards.

1164
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: So to hear him talk about me and just give

1165
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: me all those compliments. Was just incredible. Like I cried.

1166
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God, like I can't believe this.

1167
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: And him saying that to all of the media that

1168
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: was there after that it made all of the local

1169
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: alley media just so a lot of them already knew me,

1170
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: but the ones who didn't, it just it just created

1171
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: this huge buzz around me, and that's when everybody was

1172
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: interested in, like, man, women's boxing can can make some progression.

1173
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: I think that's when people started to see that. And

1174
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: then after that, Tom was like, Okay, you're on this car,

1175
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: You're on that car, You're on the next card. He

1176
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: had me booked for Triple G under cards and Choke.

1177
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: I think the under cards months before they were happening.

1178
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 1: He's like, you're on that's your spot, Like get ready,

1179
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: you know. So that was great because before that I

1180
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: was very inactive. My professional career started so slow. Um.

1181
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: And then from those cards that led to Golden Boy

1182
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: wanting to sign me. I think a moment was that

1183
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: for you Because you grew up in East l A

1184
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: same as Oscar de la Hoyot, you were obviously well

1185
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: aware of his accomplishments. Um, was that something that you

1186
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: were hoping to do at that stage your career, to

1187
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: be part of whatever Oscar was doing at that time. Definitely,

1188
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: I you know, being from East l A. Oscar was

1189
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: just somebody who inspired so many people. And them signing

1190
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: as spar as a first out of the Olympics. I

1191
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: think the Olympic thing kind of definitely helped in so

1192
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: many ways. Katie came out of there and then Clarissa

1193
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: after that. So signing a Golden Boy was was huge.

1194
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: It was it was great. And they I mean, and

1195
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: you fought for two world titles with them, I mean

1196
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: how big. I mean people talk nowadays, everybody kind of

1197
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: looks at titles sort of in a negative light, at

1198
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: something secondary title this, people criticized titles. But for you

1199
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: winning that first world title, what did that mean to

1200
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: you as as part of your journey? It was great?

1201
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, good quote. That's when people ask me that,

1202
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think they expect me to say

1203
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: a whole speech of how how I found and how

1204
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: great it was. I put my I put my covers

1205
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: of sports illustrated on the wall, like that's my world title.

1206
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: Like that's I mean, my world titles and the two

1207
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: of the two other in turn belts that I've won.

1208
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: All four of those bouts are sitting on the floor

1209
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: in my bedroom, not that I don't care about them,

1210
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: but it's just that first world title. It was. It

1211
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: was satisfying, That's all I can say. It was satisfying,

1212
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: But it's because I'm so competitive and there's so much

1213
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: more that I want. One bout is nothing to me.

1214
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: I want to be undisputed at one oh five, one

1215
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: weight and one twelve, so I I give myself no credit.

1216
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: Yet I think once I'm once I accomplished that, then

1217
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: I'll be happy with myself. And you went, I mean

1218
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: when you were younger, just trying to get fights, you

1219
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: must have had to jump up and down and weight

1220
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: outside of your weight class a lot just to get

1221
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: some of these fights in the pros. Yes, but I

1222
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: bet I had been doing that since I was an amateur. Um.

1223
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: I would weigh in with my dad's keys and cell

1224
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: phones in my pocket so I can get a fight.

1225
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: Because there wasn't many young girls at the time or

1226
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: women fighting, so I would have to weigh in with

1227
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: all of that stuff in my pocket, all my clothes on,

1228
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: just so I can jump three weight classes and fight someone.

1229
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: Um and that also transitioned into the professionals. UM. I

1230
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: was fighting out of my weight class just all through

1231
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: the beginning of my career and to until I signed

1232
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: with Golden Boy. UM, I was fighting girls who were

1233
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: naturally bantom weights. I was eating and stuffing my face

1234
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 1: with food just so I can try to get close

1235
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: to the weight so we can make the fight happen.

1236
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: And once I signed with Golden Way, I was able

1237
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: to finally fight girls who were naturally at my weight class,

1238
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: which is when all the knockouts started coming. So I

1239
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: always knew and I had the natural power, I just

1240
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: wasn't able to show it. So if I would have

1241
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: started my career with Golden Boy, I would be with

1242
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: at least eighteen knockouts. One of my favorite nice not favorite,

1243
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: but I like. One of the movies I like is

1244
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: this this movie that James Franco is. He's in the

1245
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: military and he's a boxer and he's on the scale

1246
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: and he's eating a Snickers bar while he's on the

1247
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: scale to get to a weight to fight the guy

1248
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: he's wanted to fight. If you ever had to just

1249
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: pick out to get to within a certain weight range

1250
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: to to take a fight. Oh yeah, I did that

1251
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: at least um. I mean every single fight I had

1252
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: before signing a Golden Boy. I signed with them when

1253
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: I was what twelve, and now I believe, and every

1254
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: single fight because so just so people know, you have

1255
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: to if you're going to fight it, say one fift,

1256
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: you've got to be at one twelve, right, You've got

1257
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: to at least within three pounds of that a different

1258
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: weight class. Yeah, so I would eat um. I remember

1259
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: one time when I fought on I think it was

1260
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 1: a Chocolo undercard, and I had a gain of health

1261
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: another three pounds just to make that weight limit so

1262
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: the fight can happen. And I had my dad ran

1263
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: to McDonald's. I had a whole mile double cheeseburger fries,

1264
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: uh down. The whole gatorade still wasn't enough, so he

1265
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: went to Randy's Donuts and got me this giant bear

1266
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: claw and a huge milk. It was disgusting. I wanted

1267
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: to throw up, but I had to. I had to

1268
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: do it and ended up barely making the weight. So,

1269
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: I mean, things like that are just it's funny to

1270
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: now when I look back and I think, like, what

1271
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: was I What was I thinking fighting these girls who

1272
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: were so freaking huge. Oh, Like, I'm I'm insane for

1273
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: doing that. But at the same time, it's what I

1274
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: wanted to do. It's what I had to do in

1275
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: order to build my record and to stay active and

1276
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: bear claw and McDonald's. It would take me three days

1277
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: to get that out of my system with myself. Oh

1278
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: and then when I fought as Sparsa, even though that

1279
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: was a hundred and twelve pounds, I was still walking

1280
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: around at I don't know, maybe one ten um. So

1281
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: when I fought as spars A fight leak, I was

1282
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: at the buffet at the MGAM eating pizza every day,

1283
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: and I still waiting at what was it one maybe

1284
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: one ten point something. On fight night, I was one

1285
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: oh nine. I went back down. So, I mean, those

1286
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 1: are just things that I had to go through that

1287
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: now just make everything they make. All the success now

1288
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: just feel even sweeter knowing that I went through all

1289
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: that crap. You've spent the last few years with Golden Ball.

1290
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: You've been off for eleven months in part because you

1291
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: decided to separate from Golden Boy and have signed with

1292
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: Top Rank I know there's a lot you can't say

1293
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: about what happened there, but was it disappointing to you know,

1294
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: growing you know, growing up a fan of Oscar to

1295
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: not have it work out with Golden Boy. Yes, it

1296
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: was very disappointing. Um, I mean, I don't know what

1297
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: else to say other than it just we just couldn't

1298
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: come to an agreement as far as how much money

1299
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: I wanted. And um, I mean, I wasn't asking for

1300
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: a million dollars of fight. I was not even asking

1301
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: anything close to that. But um, but hey, I'm back

1302
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: and I'm with Top Rank, and I got um a

1303
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: great deal with Top Rank. It's what I wanted and

1304
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: it's what i've with what I feel I deserve. And

1305
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: this these past eleven months, I felt like I was

1306
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: missing out on so much because I'm just so competitive,

1307
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: Like I want to fight all the champions. I want

1308
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: to have unification fights, I want to be undisputed, and

1309
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: this year I wasn't able to do that. So I

1310
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: felt like I just I just wasted a whole year.

1311
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: And then now that I'm back, I think totally different

1312
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: differently because I see how great of a year woman's

1313
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: boxing had starting off with Katie and Serrano and just

1314
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: continuing on with all these other big, great matchups. And

1315
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: now I think to myself, you know that those eleven

1316
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: months were not wasted at all, because I'm back ending

1317
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: the year that was already an incredible year for woman's boxing.

1318
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: There's no better time to come back in women's boxing

1319
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: than right now. And all that time that I was off,

1320
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: I was still in the gym, sparring to stay sharp,

1321
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: working on things that I wanted to improve on. So nothing, no,

1322
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: there was There was no time wasted at all. I

1323
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of people when they saw you were

1324
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: going to be a free agent, assumed you would sign

1325
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 1: with Mattroom. Match Room as largely cornered the market on

1326
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: women's boxing, probably control of the top women's boxes that

1327
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: are out there across across continence, whether it's Alicia Bomb

1328
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: Garner here in the U, s KT Taylor in the UK,

1329
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: Empty Bridges fights from Australia. What was the process like

1330
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: in deciding who to sign with next? I love Eddie

1331
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: and I think he does an incredible job with women's boxing,

1332
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: and I even told him that. And when I met

1333
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: with Eddie, the one thing like I always love and

1334
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: respect about Eddie is that he not only did he

1335
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: say like I mean, he told me he's like, of

1336
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: course I would I want to sign you. I would

1337
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: love to sign you, and I will if if you know,

1338
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: it comes to that. But he also gave me advice,

1339
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: which is what I appreciated so much, is that he

1340
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: gave me advice as to what I should do as

1341
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: far as UM making the right decision with a promoter.

1342
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: And when I found out that Top Rank wanted to

1343
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: sign me, not only was it deal great, but it

1344
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: just made so much more sense. Eddie doesn't have any

1345
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: minimum weights, light flyweights or flyweights. If you would have

1346
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: signed me, I know for a fact he would have

1347
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: signed more women at my weight class. Of course for me. UM.

1348
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: But the whole everything, just everything about the deal with

1349
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: Top Rank just all came together. And then the the

1350
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: ESPM platform, I feel like it's being from l A

1351
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: and Mexican American. I just feel it's a perfect platform

1352
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: and it's where I belong. Did it surprise you that

1353
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: Top Rank was interested at first? Um? They have done

1354
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: a great job with MICHAELA promoted her the entirety of

1355
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: her pro career. But at the time she was the

1356
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: only women's boxer as part of their company, and we

1357
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: were just months removed from Bob Aram having some critical

1358
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: comments about women's boxing. When you first got the call

1359
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: from someone at Top Rank, what was your reaction, I was,

1360
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised. I mean, I know that I'm

1361
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: a perfect, a perfect um fighter to sign as far

1362
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: as to represent woman's boxing and with Top Rank, like

1363
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: I know, but like you said, they have not signed

1364
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 1: any other females besides Michaelis. So I was a little

1365
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: surprised that they were really interested in signing me and

1366
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: they Bob's comments didn't bother me at all about women's boxing.

1367
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, um, what promoter hasn't said anything negative about

1368
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: women's boxing? Um, But it just it all came together

1369
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 1: and I'm just so grateful to be back with Top Rank.

1370
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: And I've always been a fan of Michaelis, not just

1371
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: in a professional career, but in the amateurs as well.

1372
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: So I've always watched every Michaela fight, and I've always

1373
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: recognized how well they've moved her career in the pros.

1374
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: I thought they've they've done such a great job with

1375
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: her as far as promotion, marketing, and putting the money

1376
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: into her and putting taking all the risks that they

1377
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: needed to take in order to make sure that people

1378
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 1: know and people know who she is. And I thought

1379
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: that was always amazing of everything that they put into

1380
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: I always noticed that. So I always thought to myself,

1381
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: if I was a top rank like I know they

1382
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: would they would back me up in that way and

1383
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: put all that they possibly could into me. What has

1384
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: your Bob Arram experience been? Like? Bob is great. He's

1385
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: a funny guy. It's funny, sweet guy. I can't wait

1386
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: to spend more time with him. And he'll look he'll

1387
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: whatever he said about women's boxing before, he'll go out

1388
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: there and promote you. He he'll be ringside at your fight,

1389
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: he'll be at your press conferences, He'll he'll promote his

1390
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: old School'll know if you're part of his stable, he's

1391
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: going to go out there and promote you, even at

1392
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: almost ninety one years old, as best as he can.

1393
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: He's at every single fight, and he's sitting there even

1394
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: during the undercar fights that aren't even that aren't even televised,

1395
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 1: Like that just shows how how much he puts into

1396
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: his promotional company. So he returned to the ring on Saturday.

1397
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: And this is a comeback fight. It's a defense of

1398
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: your hundred and five pound title. In your mind, what

1399
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: does look like for you? It's twe is going to

1400
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: be a huge year for me. Um, get past this fight.

1401
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: Argentinian fighters are tough. My opponent I already know is

1402
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: going to come to win. For sure. Everyone who faces

1403
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: me has their biggest opportunity to defeat the underdog and

1404
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: take the spotlight. And who wouldn't want to come in

1405
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: to defeat me? So I know she's coming to win,

1406
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: which I don't. I don't take any of my opponents

1407
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: lightly because of that. So get through this fight and

1408
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: have my first unification fight and UM early is our

1409
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: plan with the WBC World champion from Germany. After that,

1410
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: hopefully have another unification fight at one oh five and

1411
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: then I'll have all the bouts at one oh five.

1412
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: So are my plan at the end of the year

1413
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: is to have my first fight at want to wait

1414
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 1: and start UM unifying there and top rank is right

1415
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,759
Speaker 1: behind me with all that willing to make it happen.

1416
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: So and with all the big fights happening in women's boxing,

1417
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: a rematch with you and Marlin spars is still massive.

1418
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,959
Speaker 1: You guys obviously have some spiciness to your to the rivalry.

1419
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: They're uh still which is quite frankly great. I mean,

1420
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: we saw what the nastiness between Alicia bomb Gardner michaelamar

1421
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: did for that fight. Everybody was was eager to see

1422
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: those two get in the ring. Um, I assume that's

1423
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: still very much on your radar to to do a

1424
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: rematch with Marlon at one twelve. Definitely, I still want

1425
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: to rematch with the Sparza. Um. I want to just

1426
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: shut her up once and for all. I want that

1427
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: to happen, And that's definitely still all my radar for sure.

1428
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: Felicia keeps winning and keeps getting all the bets, so

1429
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: it's a big money fight for both of both of you. Like,

1430
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: that's a huge, huge event. If that can happen sometime

1431
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: in the next year, you'd have last thing for you. Um,

1432
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: what's like people talk all the time. I heard Claressa

1433
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: Shields talking this week about it. Maybe she'd like Katie Taylor,

1434
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: like like the dream hypothetical fight. We used to see

1435
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: it in men's boxing with Manny pacquil at Oscite haway

1436
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: and nobody thought they would ever fight. They did, and

1437
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: it turned out to be a huge moment. I doubt

1438
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: Claressa and Katie fight. But you know what we can

1439
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: we can dream about that is there like a way

1440
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: up and wait, way above your weight class, like end

1441
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: of your career, like a dream fight for you. That

1442
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: like let's roll the dice and see what happens at

1443
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: a different way. Yeah. If I were to just take

1444
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: a huge risk and just face an opponent way out

1445
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: of my well, I would do it out of my

1446
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: weight class, So I would say a bantom weight. I

1447
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: would want to fight Ebony Bridges. I love Evany. I

1448
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: think she doesn't great. Evany, you do an amazing job

1449
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 1: at just promoting yourself and not giving a ship what

1450
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: anybody thinks. I think, um, it would be a fight

1451
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: that the fans would love. Um. I feel like the

1452
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: promotion for the fight would be great. So and then

1453
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: of course it's a huge risk for me because I'm

1454
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: so much smaller, So it would be an exciting fight.

1455
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: I would eat. Yeah, I would eat my way up.

1456
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: I would um. I mean, I'll have a very happy

1457
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: training camp. I would be at McDonald's every day. Now

1458
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: that sounds like something Sergio would say that sounds like

1459
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: something at McDonald's every day. You must remember some some

1460
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: of his weight cuts, like he he's told me many

1461
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: stories about the cut for Forest too, when he had

1462
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: to take the rematch. What do you remember about that? Um? Well,

1463
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 1: I remember Sergio just just not I mean I I

1464
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how how he just how the fight

1465
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: was just so um so soon. I mean as far

1466
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: as how much time he had to prepare. And uh, Sergio,

1467
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: he loses weight in not a very healthy way. You

1468
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: don't say, you don't say, but I don't. I don't

1469
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: take any weight loss advice from Sergio, that's for sure.

1470
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: He always says he lost that fight on the scale,

1471
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: even though he didn't lose it on scale. I actually

1472
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: made one fifty four. But he always said I was

1473
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: a zombie after that, but I weigh in he was, Yeah,

1474
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: Himlas died. Dean found him underneath. He was trying to

1475
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: lose weight and Dean found him passed out, just arms

1476
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: just spread wide open, laying on the floor. Dean walked

1477
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: up to him and thought he was dead and like

1478
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: he was like, there's no way You're like, we have to.

1479
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: Dean was like, I have to get him through this

1480
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: fight without him getting hurt or knocked out. So good

1481
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: thing Surgeon's footwork in defense came through because that kept

1482
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: him from, you know, getting knocked down as dying. As

1483
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: a friend of Sergio's, do you support or you against

1484
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: his passionate desire to fight Jake Paul in a fight.

1485
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, um, I would love to see that. Yeah,

1486
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 1: I would love to see Jake Paul just hit Surgeon

1487
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 1: with right hand and just put him down. I've told

1488
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: it's too big a risk for him, like if he

1489
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: gets caught with like I mean, even at forty two,

1490
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: Sergio has kinesial tape all over his body. He's like

1491
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: a mummy. But even at is probably a better boxer

1492
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: than Jake. But if your feet aren't there and he

1493
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: hits you with something like that's your career Like that,

1494
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: that's how you're not the contender winner anymore. You're not

1495
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: a world champion, You're the X champion got knocked out

1496
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: by Jake Paul. Just stay retired, keep commentating. I would

1497
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: love to see. I would I would love to see

1498
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: the ship talk that Jake would go after Surgery with

1499
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: It would be amazing. I think they both would like.

1500
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: The build up would be like there's like maybe Tommy Fury,

1501
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: but there's very few boxers that would talk the way

1502
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: Surgeon could talk, and a build up for a fight

1503
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: like that. He would run his mouth daily on every

1504
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: social media and Sergio Sergio's training camp would be incredible.

1505
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: He'd smoke cigars before and after training sessions. He would um,

1506
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, just be the typical Surgio gambling and smoking cigars,

1507
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: drinking beer. Would Dean Campos take him back? I don't

1508
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:59,799
Speaker 1: know about that. Dean would definitely be in the corner

1509
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: a only because he's concerned that Sergio would be taken

1510
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: out of the ring in a freaking stretcher if he

1511
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: wasn't there in in Sergill's corner. So yes, Dean would

1512
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: definitely be there. Well, hopefully we're not going to that

1513
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 1: fight anytime. Seen uh. Saniza Strata back this Saturday defending

1514
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: her Hunter and five pound titles. Welcome back and thanks

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01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: for joining me. Thank you. I am now your highest

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: rated Mexican guests over. Sorry, Sergio, that's it for this

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: week's episode. My thanks to Kevin Ioli and Sanissa Strata

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01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: for joining the show. As always, subscribe rate Review this

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: podcast on Apple Podcasts, of Spotify, wherever you download podcast,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you next week.