1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the second hour of the Clay Travis 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: en Buck Sexton Show, and we are joined by David Yates. 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: He's a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a former 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: White House National security official. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: Our friend, mister Yates. Great to have you, sir. What's 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: going on, but. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 3: It's great to join you, thanks so much. 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: So we want to ask you about whether we're going 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: to war with Iran. It's a big question, and the 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: reason we're asking is because, as we know there are, 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: there's sort of a dual track situation playing out. On 12 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: the one hand, there's negotiations I think in Geneva sounds 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: right over Iran's nuclear program that the administration is involved in. 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: And then there's also a build up, a substantial build 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: up of military assets, aerial assets, specifically F thirty five's, 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: F twenty two's in the mid East, prepared for what 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: could be a sustained aerial campaign against Iran. What do 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: you see happening here? How do you think this plays out? 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 3: Well? Buck? I think that the President and his team 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: are doing far more than any of its predecessors to 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: kind of increase the chances of a negotiated settlement of sorts. 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: It's very, very difficult to see there being any security 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: from the nuclear program under the current regime. That's why 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 3: the president says that if the regime were to change, 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: that might be better. He's not saying he's going to 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: do it. But the armada that is there is doing 27 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: two very substantial things. It is stopping the illegal support 28 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: for the Iranian regime financially that has been a big 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: vulnerability in the past, and of course it has the 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: ability to strike hard, and the President has proven a 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: willingness to do that not very long ago. So this 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: should increase the chances of a negotiated settlement. But I 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: had to say, bottom line, I don't see this regime 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: in Ron negotiating a good faith and an appropriate amount 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: of time. So I think the odds of a strike 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: that would be an act of war but not a 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 3: total war very high over the next two weeks. 38 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So what is the goal of the strikes? Thanks 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: for coming on, Steve. I mean, I think that is 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: kind of where we dive into next. Because the understanding 41 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: that we had, and I think it was the right 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: decision on the first strike, was this is directly a 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: directly attributed to trying to eliminate Iran's nuclear arsenal, right, 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: or their ability to develop a nuclear arsenal? Are we 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: trying to replace the ayah Toola with this strike? Are 46 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 2: we still going after nuclear weapons? I think this needs 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: to be a huge part of the discussion in general, 48 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: is what is the strategic goal here? Do you have 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: a sense for that, and how do you think the 50 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: administration goes about making that choice? 51 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: Well, I completely agree that it's necessary that if we've 52 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 3: fought off the ghosts of Iraq in many, many different ways, 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: but that idea of making clear what the strategic objective 54 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: is and what America's role is relative to other countries 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: role very very clear. I think that the targets that 56 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: they would hit would look more military, so it would 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: be nuclear, but also some of the ballistic missile and 58 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: other capabilities to demonstrate that we can do this and 59 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: there's nothing they can do about it, and knock them 60 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: back a little bit to maybe buy more time and 61 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: see whether they sober up for real negotiations. There's I 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 3: think this added layer of statements that were made about 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: the atrocities that are committed by the regime, the human 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: rights violations, and I have deep sympathy for that, but 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: I don't think that is the proper use of the 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: US military. I think that's the area that has to 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: be made much much more clear. The strike had to 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: be degrading the capabilities of the regime, while they have 69 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: maximum pressure to degrade the economic capabilities of the regime, 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: and the rest of the world is going to have 71 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: to step in and help pandel some of the other 72 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: elements of the political transformation. In my view, you. 73 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: Know, Steve Yes, the ghosts of the Iraq and Afghanistan 74 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: wars loom large and all these conversations, and I think 75 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing. I mean in terms of 76 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: making sure that we don't get pulled into something, and 77 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: I think Trump is very aware of getting pulled into 78 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: something deeper and in a much at much greater risk 79 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: to us and to our people than we want to be. 80 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: So as part of that, one of the conversations that 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: I think keeps coming up and people have been asking me, 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: so I want to pose this to you and get 83 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: your take on it. In Venezuela, okay, we took Maduro 84 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: out and well took him to prison cell in New York, 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: but there was a clear pathway of other people. And 86 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: really much of the rest of the regime is in 87 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: charge there now, so there's kind of an ongoing negotiation 88 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: process about what will happen and how that country moves forward. 89 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: But the US clearly has a lot of leverage. 90 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: What is the opposition in Iran is do we have 91 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: any real sense as to if the Mullas fall. If 92 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: they fall, who takes over. 93 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: About that is the most important issue that they have 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 3: to work through. And I don't take it as a 95 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: given that whatever the US does in the near term 96 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: is going to be about regime change. I think what 97 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: they demonstrated in Venezuela is that a step along the 98 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: way is that we are going to change the maybe 99 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: the nature of the current regime and renegotiate sort of 100 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: the terms of trade and dealing with the United States 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: and the world. And under these new terms, maybe we 102 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 3: buy more time for a longer term transition to whether 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: it's an opposition or a reformed country. But in Venezuela 104 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: the opposition is not yet in charge. It maybe in 105 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 3: the not too distant future if there's an election. The 106 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: same goes with Iran. I mean, the dedatification issue in 107 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: Iraq which you know as well as anybody, just is 108 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: one of the biggest ghosts of what people think of 109 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 3: as a failure in the Iraq strategy. Keeping some of 110 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: those institutions in place so there isn't broader institution and 111 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: mayhem across the region is one of the priorities that 112 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: have to have. So I think there could be a 113 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: move that gets at the top leadership and there could 114 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: be a change to someone else in the regime. Personally, 115 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 3: I would love it if this regime went away, But 116 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: I personally just think that the US role is to strike 117 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 3: hard the way no one else can, to contain fallout 118 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: as best anyone can. But it's the Abraham Accords, countries 119 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: and others that really need to be managing more of 120 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: how do we have an economic and political relationship that's 121 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: different with Iran. 122 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: We have a lot of Iranium listeners on this program. 123 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: A couple of months ago, we opened up a phone 124 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: lines and said, hey, what kind of support is there 125 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: in your social networks for Iranians in the United States 126 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: for the royal family to be installed in some way 127 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: as a holder of power that is a transition to 128 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: potentially a new government. Do you like that idea, Steve, 129 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: is that a crazy idea in your mind? Again, building 130 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: on what we've learned in Iraq, sweeping out one group 131 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: and trying to replace another can be dangerous. But there 132 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: is some form of nostalgic positive reflection on the royal family, 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: if only based on how awful things have been under 134 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: the malas well. 135 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: I agree, and that could be a viable alternative. But 136 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: I think one of the things we felt got stung 137 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: in the Iraq situation was having a leader that comes 138 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: into place that is just viably identified as the American choice, 139 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: and for a lot of the world that suffers from 140 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: pretty high dose TDS, if it's perceived as being Trump's choice, 141 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: there could be a problem of trying to hold coalitions 142 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: and investment and other security engagements that are necessary for 143 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: that transition. I think that might explain why we have 144 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: this muddled or middle ground approach in Venezuela two. If 145 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: the opposition was seen as chosen by the United States 146 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: and our president, then there could be maybe grounds for 147 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: greater resistance. So a more organic and sort of stepping 148 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: stones across the river approach seems to be the way 149 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: they've gone at that that might be more what they 150 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: try with Iran. But I do think that looking at 151 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: viable alternatives to the theocratic regime, most of the diaspora 152 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: agrees with that, which is a fancy way of saying 153 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: the people who are running that live overseas. And then 154 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 3: I think there are also large parts of Persian culture 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 3: that are not Islamist that could work with that kind 156 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: of an approach, but it needs to be seen and 157 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: protected as being the Iranian people's choice. 158 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Steve, I'm in South Florida, and so I got to ask, 159 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: how shaky do you think the regime in Cuba is? 160 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's very shaky, and that's an area 161 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 3: where I think, oddly, while people wouldn't attach smart power 162 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: to the make America great Again foreign policy, I think 163 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 3: that we've used some very effective levers that are non military. 164 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: We've used our military to cut off the oil that 165 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: is an immense pressure on them. The move in Venezuela 166 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: politically was tied very very close to them, So in 167 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: terms of political warfare, economic warfare, and economic security, we've 168 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: really maxed options, and so I think we've got the 169 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: best shot we've had for this external pressure campaign to 170 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 3: maybe give a different path forward but what fascinates me 171 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: is really in Venezuela, Cuba, Iran and maybe other places, 172 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 3: we're really seeing a very sophisticated approach to easing these 173 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: transitions without America going in to push it too far 174 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: and have it blow up back on us. 175 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: Buck asked a good question about Cuba, and I'm utterly 176 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: fascinated about that, but also on Iran you mentioned it. 177 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: I think this is important. There's a big difference oftentimes 178 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: between what is publicly said and what is privately said, 179 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: particularly from the other Middle Eastern countries Saudi Arabia at 180 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: al that clearly have made the decision they don't like 181 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: Iran and would like to see changes made there. Do 182 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: they actually want the Ayatola out? In your impression, this 183 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: is the Saudi Arabias, the Bahrains, the Uaes that are 184 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: just kind of running all through all these different countries 185 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: that are technically Muslim countries but are not allied with Iran. 186 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: Or do they deep down like the fact that the 187 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: Ayatola is such a disaster that they don't have to 188 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: worry about Iran as a regional threat so long as 189 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: he is there and therefore don't actually want him gone. 190 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: Do we have a sense on that. 191 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 3: Well, I think there is a pretty clear sense. And 192 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: you know, in our country, I don't think enough Americans 193 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: appreciate the fact that the Iranian regime has threatened to 194 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: kill our president more than once over the history of 195 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: this dispute. That's not kind of matters. I mean, you 196 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: just remember presidents are human beings. But also you just 197 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: can't allow all that if you are a sovereign power 198 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: and a global power. And these other regional allies believe me, 199 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: they have suffered under assassination attempts and other kinds of 200 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 3: violence against them. They have blood feud with the theocratic 201 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 3: regime across the water from them in many cases, some 202 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 3: across a border like Iran. In Iraq, I think very 203 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: very clear to them that they would much prefer to 204 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: have a reform oriented government there and they would invest heavily, 205 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: and there is a path to peace and prosperity that way. 206 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: But it's expanding the ethos of the Abraham Accords, and 207 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: under the theocratic regime in Iran, that's not an option. 208 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: They support the radical terrorists that attacked Israel and believe 209 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: in River to the Sea mentality, and that is not 210 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: compatible with our allies in the Gulf. 211 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: Stephen, before we let you go, I'm sure you saw 212 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: AOC showing up in Munich to show off for foreign 213 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: policy skills. Did not go, I think as planned. She 214 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: was asked about this crazy thing that no one had 215 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: ever heard of before, the China Taiwan conflict and or 216 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: the possibility of China Taiwan open conflict, and her answer 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: was hysterical. So we appreciate that the humorous component of 218 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: this was covered. If you were to give AOC, if 219 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: you were tutoring her on this issue, say hey, here's 220 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: what you should say. So you sound like you know 221 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: what's really going on with China Taiwan. What would be 222 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: your sixty second or less answer to the question that 223 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: she turned into Yeah, like, I mean they have maps 224 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: and stuff. 225 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 3: Well, it was mind blowing, And if I were her, 226 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: I would not go to a security conference and try 227 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: to do that. As a social media influencer, you better 228 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: just do a ten second search of GROC And probably 229 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: AI could have given better at cuting pointers And I'd 230 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: say you've been begin with the basics. Free people who 231 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: are investing heavily in our country, we should be giving 232 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: them the ability to defend themselves as much as humanly possible. 233 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: And also let's hold up some accountability and transparency with 234 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 3: China at the very least, stand with an ally like Japan, 235 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: and let's see where we can go and avoid the conflict. 236 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: I think she tried to get there. She couldn't land it. 237 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 3: She borderline couldn't even speak. And I don't know why 238 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: you go be a speaker at an international security conference 239 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: not prepared for basic questions. 240 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: It is funny that you mentioned GROC because she has 241 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: probably a staff of how many people do you think 242 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: work for AOC fifty fifty one hundred? I mean if 243 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: you go across everywhere, I mean it's a huge number 244 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: of people. And see, she could have just said, hey, 245 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: how do I answer a question on Taiwan on grock 246 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: and it would have given her an infinitely better answer 247 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: than whatever staff she had trying to prepare her for 248 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: that event. Steve, we appreciate you. We may need you 249 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: back on when when or when war breaks out. Officially, 250 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: you's got have to fix the war when it breaks out. 251 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: So yes, that's right, thank you, Thanks much. 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All right, 276 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: let's have a positive story. Let's have a positive story 277 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: for a change. Yesterday, as I was preparing to hop 278 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: on my flight back from South Florida, I was standing 279 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: in the Fort Lauderdale Airport lounge and they had the 280 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: US game, I believe US hockey game from the Winter 281 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: Olympics in Italy on. I believe they were playing Sweden. 282 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: I always get Sweden and Switzerland mixed up. Apologies to 283 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: the Nordic countries, but I believe it was Sweden, and 284 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: it was overtime, and it was sudden death, and the 285 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: US scored a winning goal player by the name of 286 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: Quinn Hughes. Quinn Hughes was then interviewed after this big win. 287 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: The US men's soccer team is into the final four, 288 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: the semi finals of the gold medal pursuit. If you 289 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: are a a someone who is just looking for a 290 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: team or players to root for, who unabashedly love America 291 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: and think it's the greatest country in the history of 292 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: the world, here was Quinn Hughes being interviewed right after 293 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: the big win over Sweden. He a game out there, 294 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: you took down the game winner. 295 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: I mean, what did that feel like? Yeah, just to relief, 296 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: just relian giant being here with this screp f the 297 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: guys and you'm trying to extend it as on a 298 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: charter right on. 299 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: And then USA flags all over the place. You could 300 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: hear the chance what's that atmosphere up? Yeah, that's specially 301 00:16:54,200 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I love the US strings, so 302 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: I'm being representing here with these guys and Okay, and 303 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: I know it's a little bit difficult to hear that 304 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: audio clip is up. We'll put it up by Clay 305 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: and Buck, but he said, this is the greatest country 306 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: in the world, and I feel super honored to be 307 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: able to play with these guys and represent the country. 308 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: Isn't it great to just hear somebody at the Olympics 309 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: say America is the best country in the world and 310 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: wearing the colors here is an incredible honor, which used 311 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: to be the standard statement, whether they believed it or not, 312 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: that every Olympic athlete would give. 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How do we get on the 343 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: Normally show? You have guessed with the duo show or not. 344 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: I've been on with Carol, but I don't know if 345 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: they do guest on the duo show. 346 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 4: No, we haven't. We haven't done guests yet. But if 347 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 4: we were going to do guests, you two would be 348 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 4: like in the top ten easily top. 349 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: On. 350 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: That's how I got married. That's how I got married, Carol. 351 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: I made the top ten, so that makes sense. 352 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: Carol, congra, congratulations on all the success of the podcast 353 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: and people should go check out the Karl Marcowitch Show. 354 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: Now hard turn here because we're aout to get into 355 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: something pretty intense, but it's important. We had this the 356 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: second in less than two weeks and maybe ten days 357 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: apart or something friends, gender mass shooting, someone killing their 358 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: members of their own family. Let's there was the one 359 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: in British col On, the up in Canada, and now 360 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: there's one that just happened in Rhode Island. This guy 361 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: in Rhode Island was clearly the most if you were 362 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: drawing a picture, or if you were trying to create 363 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: an a laboratory somebody who was manifestly insane, it would 364 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: be this guy. And the fact that this guy was 365 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: not considered to be a serious mental health case that 366 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: needed immediate attention long before this goes too there's just 367 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: a complete unwillingness to see reality when it comes to 368 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: this transgender stuff. 369 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, you're absolutely right, And look, you know, I'm 370 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 4: reading this great book Manufacturing Delusion. You may have heard 371 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: of it, But the whole thing is, I mean, it 372 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 4: really is so good and it's so right for this moment, 373 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 4: because it's the same question going on with the transgender 374 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 4: debate is like, are you going to tell the truth 375 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 4: or are you going to have to parrot the line 376 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 4: that we were told to parrot, which is that there's 377 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 4: nothing wrong or odd or different about declaring yourself transgender 378 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 4: and that there is no mental health component. I think 379 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: that's absolutely ridiculous. Especially when we're talking about young people, 380 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 4: because we've seen the fact that it's such a social contagion. 381 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 4: Number of gay people have not gone up basically in 382 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 4: our lifetime, but the number of trans people has spiked. 383 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 4: So it is this brainwashing thing that is happening across 384 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 4: our culture, and it seems like people are waking up 385 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 4: to it. But right as they're waking up to it, 386 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 4: as the number of violent incidents involving the transgender community 387 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 4: have really spiked, and I think it is because they're 388 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 4: constantly being told that they're under attack. This shooter in 389 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 4: Rhode Island, he was on Twitter and he said that 390 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 4: stop bashing us or this is why we go brazerk, 391 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: But no one was bashing him. It was Kevin Sorbel, 392 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 4: the actor, was basically saying that if you're born a boy, 393 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 4: you stay a boy, and that's a fact. So the 394 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 4: fact that something like that can be seen as bashing 395 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 4: is the the problem to me. Here, they're put on 396 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: the defense by the left. They're told they're under attack, 397 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 4: and they're acting out in a violent fashion because of. 398 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: That, I think. So I'm so fascinated by this. You've 399 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: got three kids. I've got three kids, I don't know 400 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: how much attention you pay to their social media feeds, 401 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: meaning what they watch online, because that's where they spend 402 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: all their time, YouTube everything else. It seems to me, 403 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 2: And again, I've got three boys, so it might be 404 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: a bit different because I know you've got I think 405 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: a daughter and two boys. That there is online a 406 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: unregulated attack on the woke world that is way more 407 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: venomous than I think a lot of people recognize. And 408 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: I've kind of talked with Buck about this, but you know, this, 409 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: this anti trans agenda is actually now. I would say 410 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: under twenty year olds, particularly boys, are just over the 411 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: bs on a level that I don't think society has 412 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: really recognized yet, Carol, because they're saying, oh, you know, 413 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: it's people over the age of fifty. They just don't 414 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: get the trans world, and they're the ones that are 415 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: bigots and transphobes and everything else. I actually think the 416 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: younger kids see it for the absurdity that it is 417 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: on a level that's not being talked about yet. 418 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, it's that younger generation 419 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 4: if Jen Alpha or whatever. But I think they realize 420 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 4: the absurdity of what has happened because I think the 421 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 4: generation directly above them were the ones that were so 422 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: susceptible to this mass illusion. And you know, when we 423 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 4: moved to Florida and the middle of my daughter was 424 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 4: in the middle of sixth grade, she had i would say, 425 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 4: over ten friends in New York who consider themselves trans. 426 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 4: They might have said they were the opposite gender, or 427 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 4: they might have said that they were non binary or whatever. 428 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 4: She moved to Florida and they're is zero has zero 429 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: and that's real. You know, how does that happen? How 430 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: does that happen if this is not a social contagion, 431 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: if it's occurring naturally in nature the way that they say, 432 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 4: she still knows the same number of gay people and 433 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 4: that didn't change. So I think that the younger generation 434 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 4: has realized that it was something that spread among the 435 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 4: slightly older people around them, and that they don't want 436 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 4: any part of that. They've been it's considered something mock 437 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 4: worthy now, like, oh, you don't know what gender you are, 438 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: you're non binary, that's ridiculous. 439 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: You know, there's been some major news on this. 440 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: We're speaking to Karl Markowitz the Carol Markwitz Show is 441 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: on the Claybook Podcast. 442 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: Network. 443 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: O listen, she does a fantastic job. There's the news 444 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: that has been breaking about the medical field now having 445 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: to take notice of these lawsuits. And just yesterday, I 446 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: think it was NYU langone major hospital in New York 447 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: based out of New York City. They have said, look, 448 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 1: because of the regulatory environment. I think what they mean 449 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: by that is we don't want to get sued. They're 450 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: stopping transition care for minors. And you know this, so 451 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: this is actually happening, and I think it's important for 452 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: people to realize that you can win this battle. You 453 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: can stop them from giving fourteen year olds hormones that 454 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: are going to have terrible effects on their growth and development, 455 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: stop them from having breast removal surgery top surgery as 456 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: they call it because they think they're a boy. I mean, 457 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: it's crazy stuff. This is actually they're taking real effect now. 458 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 459 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you know, I think that when that New 460 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 4: York jury awarded the the transitioner the two million dollar award, 461 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: it was the first of its kind. It was the 462 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 4: first medical map practice of its kind to go to trial, 463 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 4: and I think that really sent shockwaves through the entire industry. 464 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 4: The doctors who had not been held accountable, suddenly were 465 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 4: going to be held accountable. In fact, the girl in 466 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 4: that case, she argued that her psychologists, you know, pushed 467 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 4: the idea on her and that she was impressionable and 468 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 4: her mom was afraid, and they just went along with 469 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 4: it because they were guilt tripped into it. And you know, 470 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 4: the numbers are like, I think it was around close 471 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 4: to four thousand adolescents twelve to eighteen transitioned And that's 472 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 4: just in like four years, from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, 473 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 4: according to the Department of Health and Human Services. That 474 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: is an insane number of people who can look back 475 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 4: at it and say, wait, what did I do? Why did 476 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 4: I destroy my body? Why did I ruin my ability 477 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 4: to have children? But you know what the real thing 478 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: is to me, guys, we were told this wasn't happening. 479 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: How could they be stopping procedures that we were told 480 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 4: were not happening. They it was always like, oh, it's ridiculous, 481 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 4: and young people are not having these procedures. You have 482 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: to be eighteen, and here they are admitting that they 483 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 4: were doing procedures like this, and now that they're going 484 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 4: to stop. 485 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: Since we've already been talking about the most difficult topic 486 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: on the planet, which is transrelated surgeries. I'm going to 487 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: throw you another tough universe to step into. And I 488 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 2: don't know if we've asked you this yet, Carol. I 489 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: believe that it would be fair to call you a Swiftie, 490 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: and that you and your daughter have been too many 491 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift concerts, and yeah, among the greatest of all 492 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: my predictions is that Taylor Swift is the modern day Beatles. 493 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: But Sexton is outraged by my comparison of the two. 494 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 2: Is that a crazy opinion in your mind? And how 495 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 2: would you assess it through not only the prism of 496 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 2: your own life, but also through your daughters and presumably 497 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: many of her friends that have a strong affinity for 498 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. 499 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 4: I really like Taylor Swift. I don't know if I 500 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 4: get to be called a Swifty I couldn't name all 501 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 4: of her music, but I have been to the show. 502 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: My daughter and I went to Liverpool like two years ago. 503 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 4: It was so much fun. She's a fantastic singer songwriter. 504 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 4: I think that as a lyricist she's unbelievable. 505 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 5: Beatles. 506 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 4: I don't know, but yeah, she's of course she's a 507 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 4: cultural cultural force. I actually thought you were going to 508 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 4: ask if she goes on to have children, is that 509 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 4: going to cause some sort of baby boom among the 510 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: women who were told that, oh, you don't need babies 511 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 4: to be happy. I think a Kelsey baby that Taylor 512 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 4: Swift is carrying around is going to do more for 513 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 4: fertility rates than any government program. 514 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: But do you think that, Taylor, are you going to 515 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 2: sign on with my take or are you bucks take 516 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: that this is a ridiculous. 517 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 4: Take, that that she's comparable to the Beatles. Yes, I mean, yeah, 518 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: she's comparable to the Beatles. She's comparable to Madonna. She's 519 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: comparable to any humongous artists of their time. Sure. 520 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: I just I just think that we're we're forgetting her. 521 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: I knew I like Carol. She's an astute observer of 522 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: the human condition and regularly analyzes in a perceptive way. 523 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 2: The larger media ecosystem have always said that. 524 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 6: I mean, I just think that you look at the Beatles, 525 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 6: maybe has the biggest impact on music global mustagers, Carol, 526 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 6: I have grown, the beard has started to come back in, 527 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 6: the mustache is longer. 528 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to make a decision going forward, how exactly 529 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: this has this decision is going to go. But I mean, look, 530 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: let's be honest, I am the most trusted mustache in news. 531 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 4: Well yeah, that's true. 532 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: There aren't a lot, it's not a lot of competition, 533 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: but that makes me the most trusted. 534 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's time to shave that. And 535 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 4: I'm not just saying that because I like your wife. 536 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: Wow, I like I think the mustache is great. As 537 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: a fan, well you know, I'm entitled. There we go. 538 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: Go check out the Carrol Markowitz Show. Everybody check it 539 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: out on the Klamak podcast Network. 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You ain't imagining it. 576 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: The world has gone insane. We claim your sanity with 577 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: Clay and find them on the free iHeartRadio app or 578 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcast. Walk back in play Travis 579 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: spock Sexton show h rolling into the third hour here 580 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: in a bit. But yesterday, I believe it was yesterday. 581 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: President Trump had a Black History celebration in the White 582 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: House and a grandma got up and she has gone 583 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: megaviral for what she said. And you can enjoy that. Here. 584 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: This is a pro Trump grandma. 585 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 5: Listen the beautiful bill that's gonna change crime in the district. 586 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 5: If you kill somebody, okay, you'll take a life. 587 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 7: You do life, just that simple. And you do a 588 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 7: host crime, you do us time, just that simple. And 589 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 7: if we need National Guard, and which we did years ago. 590 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 5: He brought it on. 591 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 7: I love him. 592 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 5: I don't want to hear none you got to say 593 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 5: about their racist stuff. 594 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: And don't be looking at me of the news hate knowing. 595 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 7: Me because I'm standing up for somebody. Get deserves to me, 596 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 7: stand up for Get out the man's back. Let him 597 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 7: do his job. 598 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 4: He's doing the right thing. 599 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: Back up, off on it. 600 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 2: And Grandma said it. That is the Grandma said it. 601 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: A lot of you nodding along out there. That was 602 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 2: yesterday in the White House as as President Trump honor 603 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 2: Black history and actually spend a decent amount of time, 604 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 2: I believe based on the clips that I saw, also 605 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 2: talking about the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who he got along with. 606 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: Trump did quite well and An issued a statement that 607 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: I thought was very kind on the passing at eighty 608 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: four years old of Jesse Jackson. I one other good 609 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: bit of news here as we finished the hour, since 610 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: I'm trying to look and make sure we got good news. 611 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: Thirty year mortgage rate are hitting four year lows today. Buck. 612 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: I don't know how much attention it's going to get. 613 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: They're still high right at six percent on a thirty year, 614 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 2: and I know many of you out there have got 615 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: three percent, three and a half percent, four percent mortgages, 616 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 2: and so you're not going to be moving. But these 617 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 2: mortgage rates coming down to an era before they started 618 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: to skyrocket because of Joe Biden's inflation. It is hugely 619 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: important to the American economy because we have to get 620 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: more houses on the market, pricing will be more reasonable, 621 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: all those things. So many people are not willing to 622 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 2: move because of the mortgages that they have. We get 623 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: them back down to five percent, it's going to make 624 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 2: a tremendous difference. We could be moving in that direction 625 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 2: at some time this year. But mortgage rates thirty years 626 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: have hit a four year low. Worth mentioning for people 627 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: out there. As the spring shopping season for homes gets 628 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 2: closer and closer, I think there may be a little 629 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: bit more thawing because so many people are just not 630 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: willing to move based on the fifteen and thirty year 631 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: mortgage rates that they got. I know a bunch of 632 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 2: you are nodding along right now because you're saying, Hey, 633 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: I can sell my home, but I'm gonna have to 634 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: pay way more in mortgage rates no matter where I move. 635 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 2: And that is often true for a lot of people 636 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: out there, so that is worth mentioning and as positive, 637 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: very nice. 638 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: Everyone can sleep soundly at night knowing that the mortgage 639 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: rate has dropped some basis points here. 640 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: By the way, we've said a lot of positive thing 641 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: about but Buck's book, which is surging the bestseller list. 642 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: A vip did find a typo. Buck, And because this 643 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 2: audience is more obsessed with grammar than anyone, he felt 644 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: compelled to write in the book is excellent. But just 645 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: letting you know that contact tracing was spelled contract tracing 646 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 2: on page eight Buck, how dare you I that typo? 647 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: I caught it when I was doing the audio book 648 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: of Manufacturing Delusion, which you should all go download if 649 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,760 Speaker 1: you have not already, go get that audiobook. But Clay, 650 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: when I was reading it, that one, that one hit 651 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: me hard man. 652 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 2: That one was. That was the one type one that 653 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 2: the toughest thing about doing an audiobook is you see 654 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: things that you want to fix and it's too late 655 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 2: because they're off to the printer already. 656 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: I have read, I read the manuscript, the final manuscript. 657 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: I'd thirty times throughout I mean so many to the 658 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: point where it was like a like I just my 659 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: eyes were falling out of my head and I didn't 660 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: catch that one. So that was the one typo that 661 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: we weren't able to fix that I knew it was there, 662 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: but I promised next edition it'll be gone.