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Visit audible dot com, slash I 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: heart or text I Heeart to five hundred five hundred. 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: Got excited? Hey? Where's my interview? Where's my hand? Brother? 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: Is all you? The first break? Hey? Welcome the Money 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: Making Conversations. I'm your host, Rashan McDonald. I wanna make 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: conversations the show. I aid of view industry decision makers, CEO, 32 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: small businesses and your celebrities, and you learn the secrets 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: of their success. That's what this show is all about. 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: My first guess is definitely that type of person. He's 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, fashion designer, investor, television and lifestyle executive, co 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: founder of Fu Boo, and author of the book Money 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: Makes Me Crazy. How Squandered millions of dollars building the 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: fu Boo Empire. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations. J 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: Alexander Martin Hello, Hello, hello everyone, Hey Jay, how you 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: doing to be? Glad to be here? Hey man, I 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time because I know who I'm 42 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: talking to. Well, let's get started here, man. First of all, 43 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: we got two breaks here, so I want to take 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: my time just talk about your journey because that's what 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: this show is all about. And that's what I appreciated 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: about your book because a lot of people always see 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: the end game, and the end game is you know, 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: they see people successful, but that beginning game is what 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: is so key to making you successful. Am I correct 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: in making that statement? No, you very much correct, very 51 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: much correct, And actually that there's also another part of 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: it when when when you look at the end game, 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: where is the end game gonna be? You know, it 54 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: could never end and sometimes it ends. You know that 55 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: is you say that? And it's really crazy because my 56 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: wife always tells me I never appreciate my success because 57 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: I don't you know, maybe I'm wrong, but I move 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: once I complete a goal, I moved to the next goal. 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: And because I don't, I think that's how it really works. 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: And then then I realized what I've accomplished maybe months later, 61 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: but I never realized what I accomplished immediately because I 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: am constantly readjusting the plan. I think that's where a 63 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: lot of people make a mistake on they reached their 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: goal and they feel, like you just said, they feel 65 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: that's it mhm, and that's not true. Yes, exactly, And 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: that's what you're trying to convey in your book. Correct 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: correct now and saying that what when you when you 68 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: sat down, because I wanted to bring up his name 69 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: because it was very instrumental, Ted mc mc lineman, Ted 70 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: m Now, you said, when you read his book, it 71 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: changed your whole focus, your whole approach to how you 72 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: looked at how you have been handling money. How could 73 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: somebody you successful that when you read this book now 74 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: it wasn't like back in ninety two. Now you're successful? Now? 75 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: Why why can I can read the book? Because I 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: want to let people know that you it's never too 77 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: late in the game to re educate yourself or educate 78 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: yourself and adjust how you're doing business. How could he 79 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: have to that big of an impact on you? Well, basically, 80 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: you know I came up in the world of of 81 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: of of of people, you know, kind of show me. 82 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: You know, everything is about show what I have, Show 83 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: what you do, you know, prove what you could do. Um, 84 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, spend, spend, spend, you know, marketing, marketing, marketing. 85 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean I remember going the F I T and 86 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: and I was in the buying program, buying merchandise the 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: program and all my peers were in the merchant of 88 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: marketing department, you know, going to tool for big marketers. 89 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: And I never really understood that. But again, you know 90 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: what I would do is I would you know, when 91 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: when we start first started making a bunch of money, 92 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: first thing I want to do is go out first 93 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: thing I want to do is go out and buy stuff. 94 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: You know, all the things I've never had, you know, 95 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: all the things that you know my parents never was 96 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: able to get me. You know I've had I've had. 97 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you grew up in a household with 98 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: only one or two TVs, you know, and you have 99 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: to share it. You know, first thing you do is 100 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: when you get your your first home, is you put 101 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: a TV in every room. Ain't that wrong with that? 102 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: Ain't not wrong with that? You know, you know, but 103 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: but there's nothing wrong with that, but then it comes 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: to a point where there where you have to draw 105 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: the line and and and do things differently. And and 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: one the value of that book, of Tim mcliman's book, 107 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: um And and the Corporation, the collaboration between us two 108 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: was the fact that he made me understand that I 109 00:05:52,760 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: was a spender. Wow, who once you once each at 110 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: the blind phones the blind right, so they again you 111 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: know if you obviously you said if you're at it, 112 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: you know, once you understand that that's what you are, 113 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: then you could begin to kind of help and and 114 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: and and change your problem with change the situations. I 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: had to understand that without you know, I just couldn't 116 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: take momm all my money came in and I just 117 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: had to kind of give it to somebody else to 118 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: kind of manage because if not, it's all going right 119 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: right right, And I would tell you something you're not 120 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: along in that journey. I remember when I was going 121 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: up through the television started getting bigger and bigger than 122 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: the money was bigger, you know. I remember one time 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: I had like three Mercedes, you know, I had, I 124 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: had I had the email, I had the email sup 125 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: to AMG version and it's just a regular email. And 126 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: then I had three three three twenty. It was like, Okay, 127 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: why are you why are you driving all these vehicles? 128 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: And you can't drive all these vehicles? So so but 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: but but but what what? What? Because I want to 130 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: be honest with with my listeners and also with you, 131 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: because I think we're connected a little bit, because I 132 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: was just driven by just because I could buy it. 133 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: And yes, and that's dangerous, correct, Yes, very much dangerous. 134 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: And I can tell you even in a small a 135 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: small tale um. And I writed a book about you know, 136 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: just going to a hotel and you go and you 137 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: just go to the mini bar, right and you go 138 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: to the mini bar and you think, okay, because of convenience, Hey, 139 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna just take I'm gonna take this this 140 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: bottle of little little bottle of liquor. But that same 141 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: little bottle look is the same prices as a three leader. 142 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: You know, you know, think about it, because you just 143 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: do it. I'm would tell you something, man. I was 144 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: just I'm in Houston right now. I was in the 145 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: l A this weekend and we staid at Intercontinental Hotel 146 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: and so this is just so funny. You say that 147 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: because I looked at the mini bar and I wanted 148 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: one of those some m and ms some peanuts and 149 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: that Eminem's the peanut was five dollars in that room. 150 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: I just got pushed my button, went down the hotel 151 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: and got it for a dollar and to and to 152 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: look concessius. Stand right, it's out of the the hotel. So 153 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, you said, well, if you 154 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: got to spend it, but if you why just take 155 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: the time to readjust your thought part them, because if 156 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: you wasted it on a candy bar or ten dollar 157 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: beer or eight dollar sprite out of that refrigerator in 158 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: the hotel, that means that you're making that same area 159 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: error elsewhere in your in your financial planning. Correct correct, correct, 160 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not claiming to be and no, 161 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: no am I claiming to be or saying that I'm 162 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, some big, you know, master wiz when it 163 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: comes to money. That's why again, like why I hooked 164 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: up with Ted. You know, Ted is more, you know, more, more, 165 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: more of that. But what I did have to understand is, okay, Ja, 166 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: if you want to have money for the rest of 167 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: your life and you then you need to take of 168 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: something else, that changing the value taking your way. You know, 169 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: I laughed because you saying is that you are me 170 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: and I'm you? Because because it took me a minute, 171 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: I was going, like, who am I competing with? You know, 172 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: because obviously when you're spending that kind of money, you 173 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: have to say, who are you competing with? You? You're 174 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: obviously competing with somebody. If you're spending money ridiculously like this, 175 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, just just you know, whatever, whatever in your pocket, 176 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: you know you're you're spending it. It's not even standing there, 177 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: it's it's just goals. And so so my turning point 178 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: for me was just to be honest with myself and 179 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: to be honest with what you're doing is stupid. I 180 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: had to tell myself, you're stupid, Rashan, this makes no 181 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: sense what you're doing. You're stupid, and that when I 182 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: when I made that confession to myself, it really helped me. 183 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: It really helped me. And what I know that the 184 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: book helped you, the relationship with Ted helped you. But 185 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: what were the honest statements that you made to yourself 186 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: that turned you around? Well, I mean, listen, honestly, the facts, 187 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: the facts you look at your bank account right at 188 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: the end of the year, and and it is nothing 189 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: con fair to what you had before. And then you 190 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: look at you know, if you look at the America 191 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: Espresto and then basically itemizes um, you know everything entertainment, 192 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: touch in and and food and you know, and and 193 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: bills and utilities and all that stuff like that. And 194 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: when you look at it and you see how much 195 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: you spent on just thinking you had fun, you know, 196 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: how much you spent are not necessarily keeping up with 197 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: the joneses, but making yourself feel better, you know, because 198 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's still feel good. You know, 199 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: when you walk up when you walk into the mall 200 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: and you look to the left and you see sale, 201 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: you think you did something. You think, okay, well you know, 202 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: but but you know that beat than anybody. Mr. Clothing, 203 00:10:52,320 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: many like I know better. There's a couple of which 204 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: I want to pull from your book. I want to 205 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: read is like you said this, most everything you know 206 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: about money do you meaning you Jay know about money, 207 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: business and wealth you learned the hard way by trial 208 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: and error. You also said the purpose of this book 209 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: is to create a sound force of reason and your 210 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: money making decisions like it because a lot of people 211 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: put their decisions on faith only that right there is 212 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: a major mistake. And then you said your financial engagement 213 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: should be Twitter four seven, three hundred and sixty five 214 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: days a year. That's that's I'm all three of those quotes. 215 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on point with you, my friend. That's 216 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: why I'm hoping that anybody who listens bookcause you're gonna 217 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: play this show is gonna be on our heart radio 218 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: podcasts also on the Rise platform. Is to let people 219 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: know that I'm recommending this book because the fact that 220 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: you should not be in a position to have any 221 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: of your money in a child trial and error. Right morey, 222 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, you you buy the car and a year 223 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: later the car no either maybe five hundred dollars or 224 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: depending on the type of car you get, and you 225 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: were like, guess what, because you know the thing about 226 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: it that people need to understand, when you start leasing 227 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: these cars, they put they put a mileage restriction on Yeah, 228 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: so you really can't. You know, you're not looking at that. 229 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: You're looking at like, listen, I got this car and 230 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: everybody's looking at me. Yeah. Yeah, And that's right there. 231 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: Let you know that you're not in allowing yourself to 232 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: really maximize the value of the money you're putting out there. 233 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: Right If somebody telling you you can only drive eleven 234 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: thousand miles a year, okay, that means you have to 235 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: look at that car a different way. And that's how 236 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: you wind up getting multiple cars because of the fact 237 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: that that car, to you, that limit is gonna come up. 238 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: So you go, okay, I don't wanna get penalized, you 239 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: know when they when I turn it in, because I've 240 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: seen the let me go get this other car. So 241 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: you just start sliding from one era to the next era. 242 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: And that's the trial and error that you're talking about, 243 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: because you talking about the Rolex watches, all those things 244 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: that you said, Hey man, if I've spent sixty thollars, 245 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: I spent sixty thou dollars on this watch. Why that's 246 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: that's the funniest term that I love about your book. 247 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Used the word why why am I doing this? Why 248 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: you know? You you you want? You know. I looked 249 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: back at myself, I said, well, were you not entertained? 250 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: I love it, Jay, man, this is you know, a man, 251 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: because this is this is why I'm so appreciative or 252 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: you're getting on the call. First of all, you're allowing 253 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: us to allowing yourself to be honest because a lot 254 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: of people who are successful, and I'm telling everybody about this, 255 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: is that you gotta you have to have made mistakes 256 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: to be successful that way, you see the problem, because 257 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: because that same mistake is gonna come up again, and 258 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: how you have that same mistake, it's gonna be how 259 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: successful you're gonna be moving forward because you're not. I'm 260 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: still a working products right, you know, right, I still 261 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: working progress. But at least now you know, I go 262 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: through the emotions of okay, alright, you're sure you know? 263 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: All right? Well, instead of getting three, let's just get one, right, okay, 264 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: right right, right, right right? Man? This is they tell 265 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: me I got to go to break. I'm gonna come back. 266 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a little bit more about your book. 267 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about you know you as you as 268 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: a man, a man who served our country and how 269 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: that changed your life, you know, and how the team 270 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: came together, because we at least gotta tell everybody how 271 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: the food Boo brand got started. You know something, we 272 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: all have one and part of lives and how you 273 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: played such a uh amazing Damon John, We're gonna talk 274 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: about him, but just like with Steve Harvard, you know 275 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: I was there, you know what I'm saying. Just like 276 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: with Damon, you've been there, and we're gonna talk about 277 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: your success stories that you have coming up and the 278 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: project you haven't working on. But I just want to 279 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: get started with the whole book because that's what people 280 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: can get now, to get information about how you think, 281 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: what making what makes you success for if you follow 282 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: the the the platforms and the temperament. That's a favorite 283 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: word in that book. What's your temperament about the Absolutely 284 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: my friend, we've been right back with more. J Alexander Martin, 285 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: co founder of the Food Food Food Boot Empire, Money 286 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Making Conversations. Thank you, Hi, They're welcome back to Money 287 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: Making Conversation. My guests is Um fashion designer, investor, television 288 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: lifestyle executive, co found of Foo Boo and the author 289 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: of a new book Money Makes Me Crazy, How it 290 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: squandered millions of dollars building the Food Book Empire, the 291 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Food Boo Empire, just the three guys getting together co 292 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: op program for I should say, I'm meaning you, I 293 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: apologize me, you and three more guys. I apologize. I 294 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: know it for y'all because you're made the car, you're 295 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: mad in the co op program, and it's just and 296 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: and and and so and so. But but your initial 297 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: start to all this was you thought your way to 298 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: life was going to be the name Yeah and you 299 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: and you got injured in a cab ride, which you 300 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: said in the book your host felt the safest way 301 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: to travelers a cab, and you want to get injured 302 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: in a cab. And so that was that was the 303 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: first kind of like turn in your life that pushed 304 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: you in a different direction that you didn't expect to go. 305 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: And then and so so when you met these guys 306 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: and you got to your start understanding you all have 307 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: similar value, that's what that's what really galvanize it all. 308 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: What was the was the turning point that said, you know, 309 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: foo boo the logo, it was inspirational when it was 310 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: shown to you, But but damon, what made you say 311 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: we can do this? Because that's when people need to hear. 312 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: When they got all these ideas, they got all what 313 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: was the thing? What were the things in place that 314 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: made you say we can do this well, you know, 315 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: funny thing about me people always ask how do you 316 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: do stuff? Or or how did you get to hear? 317 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: What was? What was the actual method? I think, to 318 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: be honest, it's drive. And you have to have a 319 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: certain drive to just do anything. I don't care if 320 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: it's to study for a test, is to go to school, 321 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: and to start a business, if it's even just to work, 322 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: you know, and and work for somebody. You have to 323 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: have a certain drive. And my drive was to be 324 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: more of an entrepreneur is to be successful because I've 325 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: seen people around me that was successful, you know, and 326 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: not necessarily saying that they were mentors or anything, but 327 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 1: just you know, I just saw success and that's what 328 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: I wanted and you got it and you got it 329 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: and I got it. And by any means necessary and 330 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: necessary to say any means necessary as far as as 331 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: far as you know, in any interrogatory way or any way. 332 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: But but you know, I'm gonna work. I'm gonna work, 333 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna work, and I'm continue working and continue 334 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: work and continue working, you know, to make it reality. 335 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: But but one thing about if you're making things reality 336 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: to just to throw out is that you have to 337 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: understand what reality is. You know, you can't before one 338 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: talking about I'm gonna be as center right, and that's 339 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to back up what you said about 340 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: any means necessary, any means necessary. If that if you 341 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: if it's twenty four hours in the day, you learn 342 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: to use every hour in the day. If you gotta 343 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: stay away for twenty five hours in that same day, 344 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: you stay at for twenty five hours, that's the enemy 345 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: enemies necessary that you're talking. You have to if you 346 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: have to do every job in that business, then that 347 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: enemies necessary. You know, some people just you know, that's 348 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: a certain I think I don't want to see people lazy. 349 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: Some people are, you know, they wanted fast. You know, 350 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: I understand that I have to go through the grinds 351 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: and you can't cheat work. You know, work, work, those 352 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: difference you're gonna achieve that work. That's true. That's true 353 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: because I know that, and I don't I don't love. 354 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: I never allowed my employees to frustrate me because sometimes 355 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: because everybody, like you said, it isn't made from the 356 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 1: same cloth, are built from the same model, and so 357 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: you just hire people but they're not visionaries. And that's 358 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 1: what a lot of you about to understand that if 359 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: you was hiring vision there is they're not gonna be 360 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: working for you long anyway. But if you're hiring employees, 361 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: understand that you're hiring them for a particular task. Don't 362 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: expect them to come in there and suddenly go and 363 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: be over that engaging and and and thinking ahead of 364 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: the curve, or thinking a month in advance, or thinking 365 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: of different ways to to make your business more successful. 366 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: They're basically gonna do what you hired them for that job. 367 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: And that's what people make a mistake too. They just 368 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: or she's sorry, He's sorry, Well, okay, is he? Why? 369 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Because I expected more of them? Okay? Was that part 370 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: of the job description? I expected more out of you? 371 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: Was that written out in the job description? I expected 372 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: more out of you? And if it was, what was 373 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: written next to the mo because they need to know 374 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: that so they can do the job you want them 375 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: to do. Now, now you got one of the jobs 376 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: that interests me the most that you're the president of 377 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: the New York State Black Chamber of Commerce. Please tell 378 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: me exactly what is that and how do you empower 379 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: people with that position? Well, well, basically, I give you 380 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: the bad story. Uh one, um when we laughed because 381 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: I say, you know, Damon's the shark and I'm the dolphin. 382 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: So so I basically I UM at one of the 383 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: trips to Africa and I met the president of the 384 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: National Black Cheam of Commerce. So I walked up to 385 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: them and I said, you know, I'm the quintessential black 386 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: owned business. Like if you know money, everyone knows fruit, 387 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: but when it comes to business, why I don't know you? 388 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: Why you don't know me? So he looked at me 389 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: like huh, and I said, yeah, why do you don't 390 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: know me? Who you know? Why we don't know each other. 391 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 1: So from then on we started relationship. So I started 392 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: helping them, the National Black teammates out for a while 393 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: and um, helping them to speaking engagement things like that, 394 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: you know, and actually just putting in my time. You know. 395 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: It was just wasn't a paid gig nothing like that. 396 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: It was just just what I what I wanted to 397 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: do because it's to help because again I'm a you know, 398 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: black owned business and respects. I want to help and 399 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: bring more, you know, and create more black owned businesses. 400 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: So they want to put me on the board and 401 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: then after that, they wanted to start a New York chapter, 402 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: uh new York State chapter. Today it was you know, 403 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: they kept kept Jay. You know, maybe you should start it. 404 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: Maybe you started. I'm like, come on, man, you know 405 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: my time is really you know, is it's difficult. I 406 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: don't know if I can be able to do this. 407 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: So after a while, with a lot of cohercing and cohercing, 408 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: I finally said, okay, let's do it. So I started that. Basically, 409 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: what it does is basically helps you know, uh um, 410 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: you know urban And I don't want to just say 411 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: black because again, you know, it is for us to 412 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: help us and we all four fight. But in turn, 413 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: we still have to open our arms out to a 414 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: lot of different businesses because if we don't, you know, grow, 415 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: we can't grow with We can grow within ourselves, but 416 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: we can really grow if we can take you know, 417 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: take on everybody and help others everybody, you know, because 418 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: in the world is not just up, you know, although 419 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: it is you know it, although we are the you know, 420 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: the top to soon Mers and that respect as well, 421 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: but you know, I try to help everybody in sex. 422 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: So so that's what I have. You know, I'm the 423 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: president of that um. UM it's comming newly found UM 424 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: within like another year, year, a year and a year 425 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: and a half. We've been we've been around and we're 426 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: doing to you know, we're getting a couple of loans. UM. 427 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: I was kind of proud of that, UM and help 428 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: a couple of businesses, UM networking, a couple of networking 429 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: events and um just just trying to help grow businesses, right, 430 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: and that's important. Now let's go to something even closer 431 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: to you foo Boo tv M. Yes, well your vision, 432 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: your vision, yes, yes, well, well basically what foo Boo 433 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: of course has been around for it since you know, 434 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: actually we're going on anniversary. UM. So we've been around 435 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: for a long time. And as you in business, you 436 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: have to kind of you know, we always tell us 437 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: tell everybody we used to see and people's act and 438 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: entertain right now is the kind of the focal point 439 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: of how you market you know, your clothing or market anything. 440 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: So in turn, instead of we always used to say 441 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: to ourselves, why why don't we just do it ourselves? 442 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: So and so and we've had you know, a number 443 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: of licensees, So what we did was saying, why don't 444 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: we start our own licensees. I started the television division 445 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: and respect because I know that if instead of me 446 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: buying time and on others situations, I'll might as well 447 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: buy time on my own, you know. And then I 448 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: create shows and put twenty put you know, my clothing 449 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: and my shows, you know, so so I could do 450 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: it myself, you know. You know that what we did 451 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: UM but actually grown to be h UM. We started 452 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: out with a bed on demand, UM we have We're 453 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: on UM Comcast, we're on Verizon and we're on UM 454 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Frontier, and we have a couple of other 455 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: deals that depending. I can't mention it yet until actually 456 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: jo um, but UM eventually uh. And we did this 457 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: and respects the video demand because one you know, and 458 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to call it the starter kid per se, 459 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: but you know, in respects it is UM and we 460 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: do video on demand and that's where all the millenniums 461 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: are actually looking. And they want TV when they want it, 462 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: and they want it now. You know, no one just 463 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: wants to go. You know, everybody's time is valuable, so 464 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: they have they kind of want to watch TV when 465 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: they when they have to, when they went when they 466 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: want to rather so that's why we did that first. 467 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: And eventually you probably will go off and and and 468 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: have a folk fledged uh network, but that will being 469 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: the more in the future. So back to what I 470 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: was saying regarding us UM creating our own licensees. I 471 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: created the television division Carl Brown, which is my other 472 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: part that he created the hotel division about about first time. 473 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: So were the first hotel opening up in in Alabama. 474 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: We have a few other deals that appending now. UM Houston. Um, 475 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know if I could sayst but Houston, Texas, Dallas, right, yeah, yeah, 476 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: we're looking at UH. I can't um, I can't tell 477 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: you exactly, but I know it's it's Houston. Cool, alright, 478 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: let me let me, let me slow down, let me 479 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: slow my row right right right, Alabama, right, So we 480 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: have that, and then we also just started we we 481 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: have internet radio. And then we also just started our 482 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: um uh sell your phone um slash um business, so 483 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: we have we basically get a deal with T Mobile 484 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: and we're using that towers. So we have your own 485 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: you have your own food service. We're opening a hundred stores, 486 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: hundred stores in the first year. And UM, it's still 487 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: pretty good. I'll tell you, we're j Ain't none of 488 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: that on my paper. That's a whole conversation there, that's 489 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: a that's a that's a whole Ain't none of that 490 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: on my paper? Did you just talked about the hotel? 491 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: You know, all that brand and all that My man, 492 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: you I won't say you you you've learned you. But 493 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: more importantly, the whole delegation of the team and taking 494 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: responsibility in certain zones and building that out but still 495 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: under the Foo Boo brand is what's most impressive to 496 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: me about the relationships that y'all have created and still 497 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: building on. But also, can you give me a quick 498 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: uh I know, I'm I'm I'm pushing past my clock. 499 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Give me a quick feel about what this internet radio 500 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: he is because that's big, that's that's um, that's my 501 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: my partner, Keith parent Um. He he's actually started that 502 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: stehead of that where he actually it's just basically hip 503 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: hop and R and B from the from our era 504 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: and that's what he basically focused on when it comes 505 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: to uh um music and um you know he does. 506 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: It's one of the things where where you know you 507 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: you you you look at you look at what's out 508 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: there and again. You know, we've done very well when 509 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: it comes to clothing. You know, right now we're back 510 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: in UM Urban Outfitters in uh foot Action and lids 511 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: UM and of course schooler dot com you can get 512 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: it as well. And we just did a deal with 513 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 1: Tuma uh Speaking and pull that's coming out. You're busy, yeah, yeah, yeah, 514 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: So so you know, it's it's it's a lot, you know. 515 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: And you know, how do you advertige your advertise on radio? 516 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: How do you advertige your advertize on television? Radio? And 517 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: that's me? Now want you walk with my lane? That's 518 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: my lane? Come on now, come on, don't don't do 519 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: nothing with that that you should talk to me about. 520 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: Just just whisper to me a little couple of things. 521 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, that's cool, that's cool because sponsors. That's 522 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: my that's my m O right there. But man, it's 523 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: beautiful talking to you. I want to ask you a favorite. 524 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: Can I bring you back on the show? Oh please 525 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: please do because because I really want to break down. 526 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: You know, the book was great and talking about the whole, 527 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: but all this new stuff is the forward thinking that 528 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: we should talk about moving forward man, because you know, 529 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: take some callers because there's some brilliant stuff that you're doing. Man, 530 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: You and all your partners are the three other guys 531 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: who founded and they teenaged two. Made a decision when 532 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: you you took that insurance money at seven thousand, you kept, 533 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: you kept a thousand, gave them six. So y'all get 534 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,719 Speaker 1: rolling with the food we brand that we wear and 535 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: cherished and and they're proud of because you guys did it. Man, 536 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: and y'all stayed together and I love it. Man, Thank 537 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: you for coming on Money Making Conversation. Alexander Ban He's 538 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna be back. Y'all back with more money Making Conversation. 539 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: My man right there told you how that is. And 540 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: guess what he's still doing it. He will be back 541 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: in the future on another episode of the the Money Making Conversation. 542 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: Be right back. I'm your hopes with Sean mcconfin Hi, 543 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: This is ra Sean McDonald. That's right, Rashawan McDonald. I'm 544 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: your host of money Making Conversations. Money Making Conversations to 545 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: show where I interviewed industry decision makers, CEOs, small businesses 546 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: and celebrities. They tell you about the secrets to success. 547 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: My next case, he's on the line. Correct awesome. Ready 548 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: to bring him right up. I'm a fan. He don't 549 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: even know that I'm a big fan of his. My 550 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: next guest is a very just a very popular See 551 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: it in Political Contributor and hopefully public recurrence and in 552 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: prime time special The Messy Treat Here's a new book 553 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: out Beyond the Messy Truth, How we come Apart, How 554 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: we came apart, and how we can come together. Please 555 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: welcome to Money Making Conversations. Van Jones, My man, I 556 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: know I've had you on my radio show with Steve 557 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: Harvey several times, and I appreciate you calling on my 558 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: show because I'm big, big fan, big fan, and I 559 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: read the book and let's let's uh. But before we 560 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: get into the book, let's talk about you. You know, 561 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: your growth as a as a brand, your growth as 562 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: a person that because he kind of like, was similar 563 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: when Steve and I was in New York in two 564 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: thousand five and I thought I started seeing you more 565 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: and more on TV, growing as a brand and creating 566 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: a voice out there. What was the goal when? When? 567 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: When when individuals were bringing you on the on TV 568 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: asking your opinions, was there a goal behind it? Or 569 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: you just taking advantage of the media opportunity. Well, you know, 570 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: I've been a committed justice activist for twenty five years 571 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: or more. I was born in rural West Tennessee. I 572 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: grew up on the edge of a small town. I 573 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: wound up going to Yale for law school, so that 574 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: was a big leap. I was first wanted my family 575 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: to go to a law school or any Ivy League institution. 576 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: And when I got out in the early nineties and 577 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: police brutality was off the hook, the prison bloom was 578 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: going down. They were doubling the number of people behind 579 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: bars and destroying our communities. And so I spent ten 580 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: fifteen years on the front lines as an activist with 581 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: a law degree, trying to do something about police brutality. 582 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: We we wound up closing some youth prisons and um 583 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: and and creating some job programs for young people, especially 584 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: in the solar industry. And that's how I wounded up 585 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: working for President Obama as his special advisor on green 586 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: jobs and clean energy. And when the right wing came 587 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: after me for having been such a left wing radical 588 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: in my in my past, um, I wound up as 589 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: many people do when they leave government. I wound up 590 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: showing up on TV a little bit and wound up 591 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: when they roll at CNN. Right, And with that, with 592 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: that being said, you know your fantastic role and I've 593 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: seen you. Now this to me, I'm asking some just 594 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: some artist question, observational question. I got cautions. I'm gonna 595 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: ask you about the book and things like that, because 596 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: I've read the book. But I gotta ask observational question 597 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: because I when I see an individual like it, because 598 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: you're such a passionate guy. You are. You're one of 599 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: these guys who wears your feelings on your sleeves. As 600 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: they say, correct because I see it now. Is that 601 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: good or bad? Well? Um, it depends. Um, I don't think. 602 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: I think we live in an era where credibility used 603 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: to be the most important thing, but now I think 604 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: authenticity is the most important things. And you know, Hillary 605 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: Clinton was very credible, but many people didn't think that 606 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: she was authentic enough. Uh. Donald Trump completely not credible. 607 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: But he's an authentic If he's gonna be a fool, 608 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: he's an authentic fool and be consistent about it. So 609 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, I am. You know what you see with 610 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: me is what you get. I love my people, I 611 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: love all oppressed mistreated people. I'm not a Democratic Party hack. 612 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: And the Democrats are wrong. I wanna call them wrong. 613 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: And the Republicans get something right every now and again. 614 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: I'll get them some credit too. But um, you know 615 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't be hoping. I'm not the interesting thing. 616 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: When the when the idea of coming on my show, 617 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: because my show is about its money making conversations about 618 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: entrepreneurship about it, and it's not a political show, and 619 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: and and and so I want to get that clear 620 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: of my staff. But then when he sent me the book, 621 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read this quote that you had that let 622 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: me know that I had to have you on the show. 623 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: And it's a Nelson Mandela quote that's in his book, 624 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: and it reads, I have fought against white domination, this 625 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: is said by Nelson Mandela, and have fought against black domination. 626 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: I have cherished the ideal of democratic in free society, 627 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: and which all persons live together in harmony and will 628 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: equal opportunities. It is an idea which I hope to 629 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: live for and to achieve what the needs be. Isn't 630 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: ideal for which I am prepared to die. That was 631 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: stated by Nelson Mandela on trial facing possible execution April. 632 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: That quote to me, let me know, this is a 633 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: book not trying to blast one side, not trying to 634 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: blast the other side, but trying to say, I'm gonna 635 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: tell both sides of the story and then then here's 636 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: a plan that we can come together. Is that correct? Well, 637 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: you said it better than I can say it for myself. 638 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: That really is Um. The purpose of my book is 639 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: called Beyond the Messy Truth, how we came apart and 640 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: how we come together. And you know it's tough love 641 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: for both political parties because you know, even even though 642 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm anti Trump, Um, you know, the Democrats have 643 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: not been perfect by any stretch, and we have to 644 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: really look in the mirror and across the board to 645 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: figure out how we can do something. A whole third 646 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: of the book is nothing but resources, um, you know, books, documentaries, organizations, 647 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: you can join, left or right, Republican, Democrats, black, white, 648 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: white or Latino, because we all just have to get 649 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: me more involved. We need better conservative, we need better 650 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: progressively need you know, we need everybody to to up 651 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: level because the direction that we're headed in and so 652 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: negative and so nasty, we gotta mess around not even 653 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: have a country. And that's very true. And I think 654 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: that's that's why I read that quote because you know, 655 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: because some people can you know that, because because the 656 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: media paints their pictures. You know, Foxes over here got 657 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: this point of view, and everybody over there is supposed 658 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: to be fake news and CNN and supposed to be 659 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: anti Trump over CNN, they will not. But your book, 660 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to everybody who listened to the show shows 661 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: also heard on our heart radio podcast, as well to 662 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: mellions of other people. But I wanted to let everybody 663 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: know that this quote is the first thing they caught 664 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,959 Speaker 1: my attention. And then when I went through the book, 665 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: and when you did an example of the liberal family 666 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: and you did an example of the conservative family, it 667 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: was it really laid the picture about you kind of say, 668 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: this is why we got in trouble. You know, this 669 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: is this would lead to this problem if you if 670 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: you upset by white Trump warn this election, let me 671 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: tell you what happened. And that's what you laid the groundwork. 672 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: You you kind of like, this is what happened, so 673 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: before you get mad and act like it was by accident. 674 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: The groundwork was laid, you know, when the housing crisis 675 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight, you know the groundworker lad 676 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: when you know, when Bill Clinton was in office and 677 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: he was baby in Wall Street and then he was 678 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: turning around creating these prison system where you just just 679 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: putting African American man in jail. And that's really what 680 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: you were talking about, you know, you talk about Ralf Nader, 681 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: You talk about how the impact of Bernie Sanders was 682 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: here was he another version of Ralf Nader way back then? 683 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: And all this was just a really not so much 684 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: a complex version, but a good read that really enlightened 685 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: me but also confirmed a lot of things that I knew. 686 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: But here and here and you write it in such 687 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: great detail and what's such great passion and motion. I 688 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: was uplifted by your book, my friend. Well, look, I 689 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 1: appreciate that. And you know when when I wrote the book, 690 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: and know it's called Beyond the Messy Truth um for 691 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: a reason, you know, because the truth is messy if 692 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: you really anytime somebody come and tell you a story 693 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: and it's all they're perfect, and everything they did was correct, 694 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: and there's other person, man, they just devil. You know, 695 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: they're lying because you never you know, the truth is 696 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: always messy. It's always well, you know, I could have 697 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: done this, but she didn't have to do that. And 698 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: you know, well, sure, you know, I wish I hadn't 699 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: said this now, but I didn't, and we stuck with that. 700 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: But but then then they did this. Now somebody's telling 701 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: you the truth because it's messy. They're putting their mess 702 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: on the table well as the other person's mass. And 703 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: that's and and that's what I just feel like we 704 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: need more of that. We know that they were messy. 705 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: That's that's that's the neighborhood turn. You're just missy. You're 706 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: just always up in somebody's face. Man, Messy, messy, messy missy. 707 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: That's why I really, that's why I knew you from 708 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: the South, you Jaxson Jackson, Tendnessee South, because we used 709 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: to worry messy. But but when people see it out there, 710 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: that that the urban spin. A messy is basically what 711 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about. This is the adjective. It's how people 712 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: just take what they want to say and how they 713 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: spend it and use it to their advantage. That's not 714 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: what this book is about. This book is an information book, 715 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: and I just want to sell my side because you know, 716 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: I can let you come on the show and you 717 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: can talk about at certain levels. But they also have 718 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: got to know that I read the book and how 719 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: it affected me. I think that's important. Man. Well look, 720 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I hope that people who are 721 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 1: listening will, um, you know, we'll get this local order 722 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: this book, will find this book beyond the messy truth, 723 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: because there's so much upset. People are just upset. I 724 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: know people, I think they get up in the morning, 725 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: they look at their phone and then they looked at 726 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, well he you know, Donald trying to tweet 727 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: at that, and then they spend the whole day just 728 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: miserable and mad and they do. What they don't understand 729 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: is that's part of his plan and his strategy to 730 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: keep everybody distracted and divided. And the problem is not 731 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: that we have you know, too many bad people doing 732 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: bad things. We have too many good people, millions and millions, 733 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: tens of millions more good people who just don't know 734 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: what to do at all. And that's the real problem. 735 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: That we're trying to empower people. And you know, I 736 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: know this show is for people who are looking to 737 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: make money. Part of the things that I wanted to 738 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: say at the outset was that you need a stable 739 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: political and legal environment to make money. Democracies can fail, 740 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: and whenever you've seen a failed state or failed democracy, 741 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: you nobody's making me money except maybe the arms dealers. 742 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: But you know, what we have to do is to 743 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: be whole people. We need to be you know, making money, 744 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: We need to be making a difference as well. We 745 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: need to be good consumers and good entrepreneurs. We also 746 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: need to be good community members and citizens as well. 747 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: And right now, I think that both sides are so 748 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: comfortable just pointing out the other person's laws. You know, 749 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: it's almost become a politics of accusation and no confession. 750 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: It's all projectionist of what you did wrong, no reflection 751 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: on what I could have done better. And that you 752 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: can't even have a family that way, you can't even 753 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: have a kindergarten class that way. And we're trying to 754 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,439 Speaker 1: have a whole country that way. It's not gonna work. 755 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: And so and the business leaders honestly need to be 756 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: the one stepping up to the plate even more, not 757 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: necessarily running for office, but just you know, up leveling 758 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, listen, um you know America is about 759 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: the business of business anything else, and y'all about to 760 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: mess around here and make it where nobody can get 761 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: ahead because you know it's just so negative and it's 762 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: so nasty. Right now, I would be right back. We're 763 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,440 Speaker 1: gonna take a break hold on um man, because I 764 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: want to talk about I've got arrested in shock. You know, 765 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: when you know, no justice, no peace. I was in 766 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: I was in l a at n eighteen two when 767 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: they dropped off with Rotten the Key then had the 768 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: profile the backt on you and your political views. Today, 769 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: I want to talk about that Bright family, you know, 770 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: that that liberal family, when you were allized that they 771 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: suddenly had conservative values because He's what they just wanted 772 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: the job, man, they wanted the job. We've been right 773 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: back with Man seeing their contributor. I'll tell you I 774 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: love this dude. I'm happy to spend six of time 775 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: to call my show more with money making conversations. We'll 776 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: be right back Sean McDonald. Hi, this for Sean McDonald. 777 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm back on the whole is my man. Van Jones, 778 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: CNN contributor, His latest book, His latest book, is beyond 779 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 1: the message troup, how we came apart, how we came together. 780 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: It's been out since October tenth. I got him on 781 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: the phone right now and we're gonna discuss that in 782 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: this break. How are you doing? Van? Very good? Very good? 783 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: But are you pretty good? I appreciate you. Now read 784 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: this book and a good read. Learned a lot because 785 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: you break it down in chapters. You you label, you 786 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: label people, Liberals, you label conservatives. You said, this is 787 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: what just what's wrong, and this is how we can 788 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: fix it. Liberal hear me out. You go with this, 789 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: this is who you are, you label them, and you said, 790 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: this is how we can fix it. And then you 791 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: talk about how we can come together, and you lay 792 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: out different different informational ports that they can go, websites, 793 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: all that stuff. They can go to get information, to 794 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: get the truth. Because that's what this book is all about, 795 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: is the truth correct absolutely um. And and you know 796 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: it's some of these issues that we forget. Um. Look, 797 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: there's some issues we just gotta fight over. I mean, 798 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: we just there's not enough agreement. There's and and people 799 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: are too passionate on either side. I'm never gonna uh, 800 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, abandoned the Muslims in America. You know, American 801 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: Muslims and some of the best Americans that we have. 802 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: I mean they got the lowest crime rate, of the 803 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: lowest divorce rate, highest educational attainment for women in many cases, 804 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: um entrepreneurship. I mean every Muslim might know got a job, 805 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: of college degree or a business. I don't know why 806 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be mad at them. So I'm never 807 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: gonna be gonna back off def any Muslims or Dreamers 808 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: or l g B t Q or Black Lives Matter. 809 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: Were just not gonna agree on that across these different divides. 810 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: But there are but and so we have to fight. 811 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: But you can't only fight and still have a country. 812 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: Even if you're gonna fight from nine to noon, you 813 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: should find something between, you know, noon and one to 814 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: work on together to make something positive happen for the country. So, 815 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, you have this addiction crisis across the country, 816 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: especially these opioid pain killers that people are just dropping 817 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: like flies. And you know, my good friend Prince of 818 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: the late rock Star he was killed um by his 819 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: addiction to opioids. And yet coal miners are dying of 820 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: the same thing. We should be able to come together 821 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: behind stuff like that, but corporations are selling it and 822 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: it's legal. Yeah. Well, and and that's the thing. We 823 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: have some ideas in the book though, that would come 824 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: up with the safer alternatives to help people get off 825 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: that stuff, um and and and not do the detox 826 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: and die thing, because a lot of people they do 827 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: the detox thing, but there's no supportive drugs, you know, 828 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: to help them stay off and get off in a 829 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: safe way, and they wind up relapsing and then they 830 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: overdose because that old dose is too high form. Now, 831 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: these are type of things just real seem I'm dealing 832 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: with real stuff. I'm not dealing with tweets. I'm dealing 833 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: with real life issues that people need to be focused on. You. 834 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: We've got too many funerals in America for dumb reasons, 835 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 1: and we need to be able to no matter how mad. 836 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: I am um at Donald Trump, and I'm mad at 837 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,919 Speaker 1: him every day, and you get mad, you get mad mad, 838 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: I get mad. I get mad. But at the same time, 839 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: you know Donald Trump's wanted. His closest advisors is Newt 840 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: Grig And you you see in the book I talked 841 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: about how I work with newt on opioids. I work 842 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: with Newt on UM the criminal justice reform, you know, 843 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: and you know it used to be the case that 844 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: you could. You know, you fight where you don't agree, 845 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: and you work together where you do agree. Now we 846 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: fight where we don't agree and we won't even speak, 847 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: So we can't work together where we do agree. And 848 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: that's that's and that really is the problem. So I 849 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: want to get a quicker feedback because I thought this 850 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: is important to your book. If I five years ago, 851 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,840 Speaker 1: you know the Rode Keen video, because that had a 852 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: profound effect, and that also led to you doing a 853 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: peaceful march at Dolores Park and and then you was 854 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 1: why am I being arrested this peaceful so and they 855 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: kind of like set the stage a little bit. This 856 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: is a lot of different I was took a lot 857 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: of different things in life to make who you are today. 858 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: But that was a profound moment in the book, and 859 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: it was a relatable moment for me because I was 860 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: living in l A at the time and I was 861 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: in the heart of it. I saw it live, I 862 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: drove around it, I drove through the community's black home 863 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: signs was popping up on all these business so they 864 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't be impacted by any damage. And it was really crazy, 865 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,959 Speaker 1: and but you were not there, so I just wanted 866 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: to see how it affected you. And I was right 867 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 1: in this to say the juncle I was in the 868 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: war zone. Well, yeah, I was in northern California, UM 869 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: that spring of UM and you know, UM, I was 870 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: a young, idealistic law student and I was working for 871 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: a civil rights organization and tell of the you know 872 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: they were Even though you were in the middle of 873 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: everything in that lay there were rallies and protests all 874 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: across the country, maybe all around the world behind Rodney King, 875 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: because you know, you have unarmed black man being beaten 876 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 1: in videotape, will being beaten by the cops in videotape. 877 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: Back then, videotape was hard to come by. It wasn't 878 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: right now everybody got a phone. I mean you know 879 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: that it was. It had never been captured before what 880 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: we were going through. And we just knew these cops 881 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: were gonna go to jail, and none of them went 882 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: to jail. So people to the streets. And I was 883 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: in the Bay Area and had been asked by my 884 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: boss to go and just do legal observation and make 885 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: sure the cops were being the rules, and nothing got 886 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: in and they swept everybody up, including my little you know, 887 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 1: educated I thought I was above it all. No justice, 888 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: no piece, no justice, no piece exactly. And then I 889 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: wasn't even chet and I was just walking alongside with 890 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: my little clip forward, trying to take notes. And then 891 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: I looked around. I said, Jesus, then you know my 892 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 1: my uh communities, free speech rights of being trampled on. 893 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: Nobody do anything violent, um in in you know that march, 894 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 1: and and it just underscored to me the need to 895 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: work on criminal justice and policing issues. And that's really 896 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: what I I focused on, and and I learned so 897 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: much doing that, because when you're working on policing issues 898 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: and criminal justice, you really have to work at the 899 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: grassroots level. Most top level politicians are not going to 900 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: deal with you. And so you're gonna be dealing with 901 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: grandmama's and preachers and and youth and other folks until 902 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: you get some victories going and and and and I'll 903 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: never forget what it's like when you're fighting the whole 904 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: system with just you know, a few allies. Then to 905 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: be able to win sometimes and just show you you 906 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: the power of the people. Man, I want to thank 907 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: you for calling my show. I hope it was a 908 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: good time, good ride for Yeah, it was. I just 909 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: want to ask everybody, you know, beyond the Messy Truth, 910 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: that's the name of my book. Uh, you know, get 911 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: the book. It's gonna it's I promise you, however you're feeling, 912 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: you get done with the book, you're gonna feel better 913 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: and join the love Army, Love Army out of org 914 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: and let's let let's let's try to get us to 915 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: a better place. I'm not gonna let this orange weirdo 916 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: still on my joy. We're gonna keep moving. But man, 917 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: I love you, I watch you. Your passion is what 918 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: would drive to me to continue to be a fan 919 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: of yours. Keep doing what you're doing, don't stop, and 920 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put post just on our Money Making Conversations 921 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: Facebook page and our Twitter account, and we're gonna keep 922 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: building and selling the brand of Van Jones. Okay, thank 923 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,839 Speaker 1: you very much. Appreciation. Please welcome to I want to say, 924 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: attorney not called small entrepreneur. Please welcome to show. Attorney 925 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: Benjamin Crump, Thank you so much to stop for having me, 926 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: and we talked at least twice a week, if not more. 927 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: We talked yesterday in fact, and it's because I just 928 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, we're gonna be on 929 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: for two breaks here, Attorney Crop, and I just want 930 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: to talk about the journey because I've watched you grow 931 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,800 Speaker 1: and you know, you're just a solid attorney in the 932 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: itally has their officers in Florida just doing the right 933 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: things and uh about trying to impact people's lives. And 934 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 1: then the trayvon Mardern thing happened, and that just thrust 935 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: you out into the forefront of America. It was a 936 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,720 Speaker 1: very controversial case, a case that uh that that covered 937 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: a lot of had a lot of media attention. How 938 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 1: did it change your life? Certainly, I was trying to 939 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 1: do what I believe was my life's mission and fight 940 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: for the civil rights and the due process of people 941 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: for my community, people look like me, and for people 942 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,240 Speaker 1: who were Americans. It didn't matter whether you're a black 943 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: and white Hispanic. You just wanted to try to use 944 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: the blessings and the education that God gave you with 945 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: this law degree to try to do good. And so 946 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: that's whether we were doing Third good. Marsha was my 947 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: personal hero, and I tried to patter my career after 948 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: Justice Marshall and uh and doing so, I has got 949 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: quite successful at it and people are Rashaan started calling 950 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: me referring cases to me, especially in the matters of 951 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: civil rights with the killers of unarmed people of coloring. 952 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: That was the call I got with Traybon Benjamin Martin 953 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: after February twenty six, two thousand twelve, when he was 954 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: killed by a neighborhood watched volunteer with a nine millar 955 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,080 Speaker 1: meter gun as he walked home with a can of 956 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: tea and a bag of skittles. And from there it 957 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: became the number one news story in the world and 958 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, which was quite significant Rashon, because I 959 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: know you are used to hip and uh get exposure 960 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: for individuals and matters, And it was fascinating to me 961 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,800 Speaker 1: about tray Bon because when I first started it, we 962 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: couldn't get anybody to cover it. And then it became yeah, 963 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: nobody cared about a little black boy getting killed. Uh, 964 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,319 Speaker 1: it was almost like a cliche. But once we were 965 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,600 Speaker 1: able to communicate to society that Trademond Martin life matter. 966 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: Now why matter. It was really astonishing. I give a 967 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: lot of credit to God, uh, because people started caring 968 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: about his life and for the first time ever you 969 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: had the depth of a little black boy then covered 970 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: on the every making magazine in America, Time Magazine, news Week, 971 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: Uh uh uh Ebony Jet Essence. I mean, it was everywhere. 972 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,839 Speaker 1: And so I think that was the thing that at 973 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: least introduced me to many Americans who did not note 974 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: who Benjamin Crump was. You know, I'm gonna thinking impactful 975 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: that a whole scenario was involving surrounding Traymond Martin because 976 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,200 Speaker 1: Hoodies was a big impactful moment because he's wearing a 977 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: hoodie and in the African American team wearing the hoodie 978 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: is they are they automatically a suspect. And at the time, 979 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 1: Steve and I we had the Neighborhood Awards now, but 980 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: it was called the Hoodie Awards, and I actually had 981 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: to change the name because of the fact that people 982 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: thought it was a tribute show to Trayvon Martin situation. 983 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: And uh, and not just because you know, like say 984 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: just just you know, we weren't we was in transition anyway, 985 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,240 Speaker 1: but it did just kind of like accelerated the change 986 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: of from because people are always trying to figure out 987 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: what hoodie? What does what does that mean? And then 988 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: we went on and said because we're just short for 989 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,360 Speaker 1: neighborhood awards and so. But because of the situation with 990 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,000 Speaker 1: Trayvon Martin and the hoodies, it was so many people 991 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,840 Speaker 1: inundating us with emails and and texts and the phone 992 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,800 Speaker 1: calls asking was this event in Vegas? Was this a 993 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 1: tribute to the UH to the Trayvon Martin situation? So 994 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: I just know how big it became and still resonents 995 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,959 Speaker 1: to resonate today, and probably was the reason that Black 996 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: Lives Mark Matters really was aunched, behind the galvanized, behind 997 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,840 Speaker 1: the actions that came about that. You know, I just 998 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,120 Speaker 1: wanted to bring that out front because I don't want 999 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,399 Speaker 1: anybody to think this is a show we're talking about 1000 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,759 Speaker 1: civil rights concerns about It's about the changes in your 1001 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,120 Speaker 1: life that are now offering you opportunities to expand your brand. 1002 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: And your brand is very recognizable because I know I'm 1003 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,280 Speaker 1: out in public with you all the time. That's crazy, 1004 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: It's really, it's really it's good crazy though, because you're 1005 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: just so people come up to you in such a humble, 1006 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: respectful manner, and they put a tremendous burden on you, 1007 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 1: a responsibility. Correct absolutely, And I think this because all 1008 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: of us have children, and we love our children, and 1009 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: we care about our children. So when they see people 1010 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: out there, uh standing up for their children, speaking up 1011 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: for their children, and fighting for their children in the 1012 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: court of law and in the court of public opinion, 1013 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: they recognize that Traypon could have been their child too. 1014 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: And I just want to die grist for a second 1015 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: to say to you, Steve, but you I'll reshied what 1016 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: you and Steve did, what the neighborhood was and still inspirational, man, 1017 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean that whole idea. Uh, let's recognize people in 1018 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: the neighborhood for doing good that don't often happen. Just 1019 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,319 Speaker 1: believe you be reshin that that wasn't lost on any 1020 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: of us, that great division that you had. Thank you. 1021 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,839 Speaker 1: I appreciate that and my and and don't believe uh 1022 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,960 Speaker 1: it's dead in the water, Okay, I know, because I 1023 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: get I get, I get approached by too many people. 1024 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,720 Speaker 1: It's in my life is going in a positive direction. 1025 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: Steve's life is going in a positive direction. And I 1026 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,479 Speaker 1: feel that one has allowed each each side to grow 1027 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 1: in order to come back together to do something great 1028 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: together again. I feel really comfortable when I say that, 1029 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: and I feel comfortable when I say this about the 1030 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: fact that you know you're about to do something real big. 1031 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,120 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons we have you on the 1032 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,839 Speaker 1: show today. The big prompt National Law Firm that's up 1033 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,359 Speaker 1: suicide we're gonna talk about. Just give us a short 1034 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 1: scenario what it is, and we come back from break, 1035 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,919 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk in detail about the Being Crump Law Firm. 1036 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 1: And while you got involved at that magnitude, absolutely uh. 1037 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,840 Speaker 1: Like I said, Thurgood Marshall was my personal hero and 1038 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 1: the movie is coming out. I have a small cameo 1039 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,839 Speaker 1: and I'm three up to death to being a movie 1040 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: about my hero. But Dirgood Marshall went all over America 1041 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,759 Speaker 1: trying to use his talents as as legal skills to 1042 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,960 Speaker 1: try to make the most impact he could, not just 1043 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,759 Speaker 1: for the individuals affected by the injustices, but on the 1044 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: conscious of America. So what we're doing is trying to 1045 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: impact the conscious of America. And with this Being Crump 1046 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 1: Law Firm, using the brand that you have established, I 1047 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: think I'll be able to serve more people on a 1048 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,320 Speaker 1: greater scale. And that's what it's really about, trying to 1049 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: do as much as you can for as many people 1050 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: as you can and make a difference. And now that 1051 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,720 Speaker 1: I have a business apparatus to the Being Crump Law Firm, 1052 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,959 Speaker 1: I think I can do it even more productively. Great. 1053 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,840 Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk about the different 1054 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,520 Speaker 1: areas of practice that the ben Crop Law Firm will cover. Again. 1055 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,759 Speaker 1: Welcome to money making Conversations on the phone. Right now 1056 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: is the incredible civil rights attorney, businessman, uh, host personality UH. 1057 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: A guy who's changing the world. Every time I see him, 1058 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: he's doing something spectacular. And when I on this next break, 1059 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna hear about movies. You can hear by TV shows, 1060 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,360 Speaker 1: you can hear by books, all under the brand of 1061 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: Attorney Benjamin crowill be right back with more money making conversations. 1062 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: We're doing big things on this show, y'all because we've 1063 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,360 Speaker 1: got big time guests like Attorney Benjamin Crop. We'll be 1064 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 1: right back. Hi, We're Sean McDonald back from more money 1065 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: making Conversations on the phone. I have the incredible, the 1066 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: talented and motivating attorney Benagman Crop, how are you doing, Benjamin, 1067 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing the brother Sean McDonald, my advisors who always 1068 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,479 Speaker 1: make myerod. Thank you, my friend. We were talking about 1069 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,160 Speaker 1: your the national law firm that you're launching when we 1070 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,440 Speaker 1: say it is launching this month, Yes, sir, okay, they 1071 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 1: will be uh here will hear so much about the 1072 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: brand and there you know Ben Crump Law on radio, television, 1073 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: build boars social It's gonna let everybody know that they 1074 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,920 Speaker 1: can get access to the band Crump Law Firm if 1075 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,440 Speaker 1: they're facing an injustice. Now, and these injustice come in 1076 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,799 Speaker 1: different areas of practice. Now, you have civil rights, which 1077 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,720 Speaker 1: we've already talked about, but then you have employment law, medical, 1078 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,040 Speaker 1: mail practice, workmence, compensation and class actions and more. Can 1079 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: you break down exactly when you say, like, uh, employment law, medical, 1080 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,839 Speaker 1: what exactly does that mean? When somebody's in trouble, they 1081 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,799 Speaker 1: can call your firm. It'll be an eight hundred number 1082 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,239 Speaker 1: and the website and they can get access to the 1083 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: lawyers who respond back to them immediately. Absolutely, they can 1084 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,239 Speaker 1: reach uh us at eight five eight hundred eight five 1085 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: nine nine nine nine uh any time day of night, 1086 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. And when we talk about 1087 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,640 Speaker 1: employment law, if I could just talk about some of 1088 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,400 Speaker 1: these areas um employment law. You know, in America, we 1089 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,760 Speaker 1: have a right not to have to face a hostile 1090 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,280 Speaker 1: work environment. So if you feel that you have been 1091 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:29,360 Speaker 1: subjected to racial discrimination, UH, setual harassment, UH, age discrimination, UH, 1092 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,240 Speaker 1: if you have been made to work over time and 1093 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,760 Speaker 1: not be fairly compensated all these variety of things that 1094 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: have uh caused you a hostile work environment, then the 1095 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,640 Speaker 1: bend From Law firm is ready to fight for you 1096 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: to get justice in those matters. Because technology is kind 1097 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,200 Speaker 1: of like blurred the work our schedule because you can 1098 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: text people, you can email people, and and then sometimes 1099 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,280 Speaker 1: employees don't know when to respond on off hours or 1100 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,640 Speaker 1: should they respond off hours. And that's what you're talking 1101 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,960 Speaker 1: about when you said the blurred lines are put you 1102 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,840 Speaker 1: in a position over are you compensated for that? Does that? 1103 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,320 Speaker 1: Is that part of your job description that if you 1104 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: got a text or email on the Saturday or Sunday, 1105 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 1: all you're supposed to respond to that. But that's what 1106 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about, right exactly? And will you be played 1107 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 1: time and a half if it's over your four hour 1108 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 1: work period? And so all these things come up, the 1109 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,439 Speaker 1: fact that women are paying paid almost fifty percent less 1110 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: than men for doing the same exact job as men, 1111 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,000 Speaker 1: the fact that you don't have diversity at the executive 1112 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:46,880 Speaker 1: levels of companies that serve majority minority communities, and the 1113 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: fact that there has been a class selling place on men, 1114 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,439 Speaker 1: women and minority. So these are the things we're looking 1115 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,600 Speaker 1: at because, as Martin Luther King said, economics, where's the 1116 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: founder frontier of civil rights? And that's very important that 1117 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: we say that because of the fact that your law firm, 1118 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 1: and I really want to say that because I want 1119 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,240 Speaker 1: to anybody think that your law firm is just about 1120 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 1: civil right cases. Your your law firm is engaging itself. 1121 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: And like I said in the employment law, medical malpractice, 1122 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 1: Workman conversation, class fact class actions, which are very important 1123 00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: and it's a very competitive field. And the reason I 1124 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,000 Speaker 1: wanted to bring you on the phone to talk on 1125 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,040 Speaker 1: my show to talk about it is because everybody got 1126 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,680 Speaker 1: a commercial. It seems everybody got a TV show or 1127 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: TV show or TV commercial about lawsuits. They got eight 1128 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: hundred numbers with just blank screens just pop up, talk 1129 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 1: about call this number if you've been affected by some 1130 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,280 Speaker 1: type of Malcolm power, or been affected by some type 1131 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,840 Speaker 1: of some type of medicine that you were supposed to take. 1132 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,920 Speaker 1: All this is just popping up. Does this by calling 1133 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 1: your number bye bye bye, putting your face on it, 1134 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,040 Speaker 1: It gives them a sense of a value to the 1135 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,959 Speaker 1: person that they're calling for help, right certainly, And that's 1136 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,080 Speaker 1: I've been part of the money making conversation that I 1137 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 1: so often have a few. It is about brandon a 1138 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,440 Speaker 1: brand that they feel, they know, they feel they can 1139 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,760 Speaker 1: trust in their darkest hour, somebody who they believe will 1140 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: fight for them and won't abandon them in any way 1141 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,640 Speaker 1: or uh not protect their interests completely. And so that's 1142 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,760 Speaker 1: when they see the being crump long banner they're getting 1143 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,720 Speaker 1: there being crump the same way I fought for so 1144 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: many high profile cases, whether it's Traybon Martin, whether it's 1145 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Michael Brown and Ferguson, whether it's the thirteen black women 1146 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,640 Speaker 1: who were raped in Oklahoma by the police officer, the 1147 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 1: same way they saw me be dogmatic in those cases. 1148 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna be dogmatic. We have a loved one who 1149 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,600 Speaker 1: goes to the hospital and for whatever reason, they are 1150 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 1: catastrophically made worse or even die. You know, we're there 1151 01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: for mama, We're there for your wife, your husband, and 1152 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,520 Speaker 1: those tragic circumstances. Also, I want to point out which 1153 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: is happening more and more with the advent of all 1154 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: these goods uh rashaan nightclub shootings, apartment shootings, right, whether 1155 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,120 Speaker 1: you have negligent security where you felt faith, you actually 1156 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,040 Speaker 1: paid extra money for your apartment complex to have security, 1157 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 1: and then for whatever reasons, the security was not adequate 1158 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,160 Speaker 1: and you were injured. We're looking at all these type 1159 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: of things because it is not just a civil rights matter, 1160 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,360 Speaker 1: but it's also about protection of the law and making 1161 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,200 Speaker 1: sure that you have a right to have your civil 1162 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 1: roles redressed. You know what I like about the fact 1163 01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,840 Speaker 1: that your brain of of being crumped, the brain the 1164 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,560 Speaker 1: the because because I see, like I tell you, I 1165 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,840 Speaker 1: see people walk up to you on a regular basis. 1166 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 1: We can be at the McDonald I've been with him 1167 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,400 Speaker 1: at McDonald's, I've been at the airport, we're doing the 1168 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 1: car rental, we've been sitting at a hotel lobby, and 1169 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: they all come up with the same a glowing a 1170 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,480 Speaker 1: feeling of trust, the glowing feeling that we're so thankful 1171 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: that you have our voice, that you are trying to 1172 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 1: give us a back. And that's what I want people 1173 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,720 Speaker 1: to understand that just what he's building with the Being 1174 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,240 Speaker 1: Crump Law Firm is an opportunity to you not to 1175 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,960 Speaker 1: be afraid. Don't be afraid that nobody's gonna listen to you, 1176 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,439 Speaker 1: don't be afraid that you can't have your voice heard. 1177 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 1: That's what the Being Crump Law Firm is all about, 1178 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,480 Speaker 1: and that's what that that's I think that's really key 1179 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,640 Speaker 1: because so many people who are undeserved, they have no voice, 1180 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,040 Speaker 1: are fearful to come out and speak, and so they 1181 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:44,320 Speaker 1: remain a victim abound by their disservice. Correct absolutely, and 1182 01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: you see it right on the nail when you say 1183 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,800 Speaker 1: oftentimes people don't do anything because they see nobody is 1184 01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,520 Speaker 1: gonna stand with them, nobody's gonna fight for him. And 1185 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: especially talking about brands, what you did, incredibly is help 1186 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 1: law to my brand into the television space with evidence 1187 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,200 Speaker 1: of innocence and the fact that those indivdutions were wrongfully 1188 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,760 Speaker 1: incarcerated was completely innocent and they felt nobody would stand 1189 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 1: with them. So we're highlighting all these injustices because neutrality 1190 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,640 Speaker 1: in the face of injustice is injustice. So when a 1191 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,680 Speaker 1: bad thing happens to you, don't be afraid. I don't 1192 01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,680 Speaker 1: care what, Shan. It's just something as simple as a 1193 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,040 Speaker 1: worker's compensation claimed where you slipped and fell and you 1194 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,640 Speaker 1: hurt your hip or you had to have surgery on 1195 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,320 Speaker 1: your back as a result of it, and you now 1196 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 1: feel fear for a retribution for you going to get 1197 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,920 Speaker 1: the proper help that you need from your employers. That's 1198 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: what being crump laws therefore as to help fight those 1199 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,160 Speaker 1: battles with you so you're not alone. Wow, that's what 1200 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Okay, let's let's switch gears here a 1201 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: little bit coming out this Friday. Coming out this Friday, 1202 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: there's a movie called Marshall starting Chadsman Bosman. That's the 1203 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,720 Speaker 1: man if you if you watch Uh, there's a Captain 1204 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,080 Speaker 1: American movie. He played the back Black Panther and if 1205 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,000 Speaker 1: you watch the movie forty two, he started Jackie Robinson. 1206 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,120 Speaker 1: So you'll be making a cameo of parents to my understanding, 1207 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,320 Speaker 1: my friend in this movie that's coming out this Friday, 1208 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,040 Speaker 1: called Marshall. Correct. Absolutely, it's an incredible movie, Shan, And 1209 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that because I'm in it, and 1210 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that the consience about my personal heroe, 1211 01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Third Good Marsha and introducing him to a new generation 1212 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:43,120 Speaker 1: of Americans, but also re igniting the next generation of 1213 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,040 Speaker 1: lawyers who care about people, social justice engineers. And in 1214 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,640 Speaker 1: this movie, Uh Chad with Bosman, there's an incredible job 1215 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,080 Speaker 1: as Good Marshall. You're a good friend. Regen husbland Man 1216 01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,160 Speaker 1: is the director. Here is a master for job. It's 1217 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,600 Speaker 1: already getting a lot of buzz about Academy of Consideration 1218 01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 1: and everybody in America who's listening to the Rashaan McDonald 1219 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,120 Speaker 1: running making conversation should go out on this weekend and 1220 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,200 Speaker 1: see this movie is take the whole family. I mean, 1221 01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: it's a really good movie that makes Third Good Marshall 1222 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,080 Speaker 1: very not only relevant but relatable. You get to see 1223 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 1: this person who's gonna really mark a lot of young 1224 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,280 Speaker 1: people that Thurgan Marsha was a man. I know, he 1225 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,840 Speaker 1: became this iconic figure becoming the first Black Supreme Court 1226 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: justice and Oregon landmark cases like Brown versus Board of Education, 1227 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,960 Speaker 1: but at his core he was a lot like you 1228 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,400 Speaker 1: and I Rishain just a brother who was trying to 1229 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: do good and really trying to use the talents and 1230 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,280 Speaker 1: the blessings that God gave him to make the biggest 1231 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,240 Speaker 1: impact possible. And so when you go see this movie, 1232 01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,880 Speaker 1: it's an all star cast. It got Kate Hudson, and 1233 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,880 Speaker 1: got Josh Gad who played Off and Frozen and was 1234 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,080 Speaker 1: also in the Kevin Hart moving Weaving wedding ringers, who 1235 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,600 Speaker 1: does a really incredible job. You got Sterling Kay Brown 1236 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,080 Speaker 1: who just won his second Emmy Award, this one for 1237 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,480 Speaker 1: disssess before he wanted for his portrayal of Christopher Darden 1238 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: and people versus O J. I mean it's a stellar cat. 1239 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 1: They got Attorney Benjamin Crow and the spending jokes this 1240 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,080 Speaker 1: here when we come on the screen, myself and I 1241 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,400 Speaker 1: turn my Martin parents are also any the crowd just 1242 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:44,400 Speaker 1: erupts an applause, and so Redgen and that. But we 1243 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,040 Speaker 1: everybody's there's some kind of way. Every time you'll come 1244 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 1: on the screen, everybody start clapping. We've been on the 1245 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,440 Speaker 1: screen the whole time, nobody capting for us. That's awesome. 1246 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,200 Speaker 1: Now I know we're running out of time, but I 1247 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 1: gotta bring up this next big project. This coming up 1248 01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,360 Speaker 1: it's called Who Shot Tupac? You're the host of it 1249 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,640 Speaker 1: is on an E. It's a six part series and 1250 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,240 Speaker 1: that's coming out in November. Correct, Ye, remember twenty one 1251 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:14,920 Speaker 1: and for six weeks every Tuesday night it's uh ribbon 1252 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:20,760 Speaker 1: in uh as said, it's a ribbon in documentary look 1253 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,720 Speaker 1: into not only what happened and who killed Tupac, but 1254 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 1: also it talks about due process and it's a real 1255 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:33,160 Speaker 1: education and we have some explosive bombs, share information that 1256 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 1: has never been seen before. We really feel we're giving 1257 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,760 Speaker 1: Tuproctu Cort the investigation the due process that eluded him 1258 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,520 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. So that's the twenty one, that's the Tuesday. 1259 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 1: So we have you back on the show on the 1260 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,800 Speaker 1: twenty at that Monday to talk about it. Just really 1261 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,520 Speaker 1: give that big final push to make sure everybody know 1262 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,520 Speaker 1: that this is something that's that's important and it may 1263 01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 1: become an ongoing documentary type style series for you on end. Correct. Absolutely, Uh, 1264 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 1: that's why we gotta have everybody watching. Everybody chime in, 1265 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: because people are telling our stories more and they want people, 1266 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,560 Speaker 1: like Rashane said, who they think are relatable, people who 1267 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,479 Speaker 1: they trust telling those stories and that's where the brand 1268 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,120 Speaker 1: is all about, right absolutely, And that's why I think 1269 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,519 Speaker 1: it's that's why I know it's important that when I 1270 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,800 Speaker 1: bring you on the show, I just wanted everybody to know. 1271 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,320 Speaker 1: And it's just so that you know in this in 1272 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,720 Speaker 1: the world we live in today, you know, diversity and 1273 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: and and and taking advantage of the of the lanes 1274 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,679 Speaker 1: of opportunity and still maintaining your dignity in your craft. 1275 01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,960 Speaker 1: That's what I love about you. You know, the evidence 1276 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,519 Speaker 1: of innocence that was right in your lane. You know, 1277 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,559 Speaker 1: making an appearance in the third Good Marshall movie, that's 1278 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,720 Speaker 1: right in your lane. Trying to pursue the truth in 1279 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,680 Speaker 1: the Tupac murder, that's right in your lane. And then 1280 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,599 Speaker 1: in January, I mean in February, you're gonna have your 1281 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,640 Speaker 1: first book coming out. But we're gonna talk about there 1282 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,599 Speaker 1: on the next show because I don't want I want 1283 01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,200 Speaker 1: everybody understand that this month that you are launching the 1284 01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,000 Speaker 1: big Crump Law firm. UH called this young man. I 1285 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,640 Speaker 1: believe in him. I trust him. We talked two or 1286 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,280 Speaker 1: three times a week, just talk about life. He was 1287 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,800 Speaker 1: he was involved in the hurricane out the delivering supplies 1288 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,479 Speaker 1: with the with the with the police officers down there 1289 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,160 Speaker 1: because it's from Tallahassee. So he was impacted in Florida 1290 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,400 Speaker 1: personally by that past hurricane. So he never does not 1291 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,760 Speaker 1: He always has time to help, either in the courtroom 1292 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:32,400 Speaker 1: or in the community. Big crump, my guess is on 1293 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,720 Speaker 1: the line. I got to start talking and interviewing him. 1294 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:37,960 Speaker 1: First of all. All right, it was in New York 1295 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,839 Speaker 1: City at the Circling Sisters Expo hosted by w BLS 1296 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,000 Speaker 1: every year, just a jam pack organization for the horn 1297 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,280 Speaker 1: of women. And now he was there. I didn't even 1298 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,320 Speaker 1: know he was there. Walked by. Of course, every time 1299 01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,720 Speaker 1: you walk by him, he talking to somebody, and he 1300 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 1: always has a crowd of people around him. I tapped 1301 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,400 Speaker 1: him on the should and just kept walking. Wasn't gonna 1302 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,280 Speaker 1: bother him. Keep making that money. And then I then 1303 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I finished my photo session and I walked in the 1304 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,519 Speaker 1: room and here was on stage talking about five thousand people, 1305 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,760 Speaker 1: just just five to every seat was fair, and he 1306 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,880 Speaker 1: was on stage talking about five to five thousand people. 1307 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,479 Speaker 1: I do want such a stage of who I'm talking 1308 01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,559 Speaker 1: to on this far. This man is a motivator, He's 1309 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,640 Speaker 1: a game change. And I've been knowing him almost ten 1310 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,760 Speaker 1: years now, So let me get this intro in so 1311 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,160 Speaker 1: y'all can hear why I'm excited to have him on 1312 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,479 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation. My next Caance writes a book a year, 1313 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Roll a book a year. He is the author of 1314 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,280 Speaker 1: the number one New York Times been selling books Shred, 1315 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,680 Speaker 1: The Revolutionary Diet, Super Shred, The Big Results Diet, The 1316 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,679 Speaker 1: Shred Diet cook Book. Dr Smith's highly anticipated the newest book, 1317 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Blast the Sugar Out, became an instant New York Times 1318 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,280 Speaker 1: best seller, helping hundreds of thousands of people produced bad 1319 01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,800 Speaker 1: sugars from that diet, lose weight, little blood sugar levels, 1320 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,080 Speaker 1: and cut the cravis. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, 1321 01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:06,400 Speaker 1: Dr Ian Smith. Hey, what's up with Sean? Hey man? 1322 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hear you because you are a 1323 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:13,320 Speaker 1: true go get a man. Well you are too, and 1324 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,840 Speaker 1: you know we're all in that orbit. But you know, 1325 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,479 Speaker 1: when you know when you're blessed, and when God has 1326 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,120 Speaker 1: blessed you with things and assets and abilities, I think 1327 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,400 Speaker 1: it's your obligation to try to pay it forward and 1328 01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,840 Speaker 1: help others and and have a good time while you're 1329 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,200 Speaker 1: doing it. Well, you know, I'm familiar with your style. 1330 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with all the way we go, all the 1331 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,240 Speaker 1: way back to the fifty million pound Challenge which stay 1332 01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,679 Speaker 1: Farm back in two thousand seven. I want to say, 1333 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,640 Speaker 1: we was in d C and it was cold. We 1334 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,360 Speaker 1: launched that giant campaign that was so successful and the 1335 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,320 Speaker 1: reason I always happy you're on the show. We're talking 1336 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,559 Speaker 1: about the thing that that I want to say this correctly, 1337 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,000 Speaker 1: it almost makes you mad that people are just out 1338 01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,720 Speaker 1: there just killing themselves because they don't want to understand 1339 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,600 Speaker 1: that necessary and that's what you trying to do. You 1340 01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,840 Speaker 1: try to get them the tools to a healthy lifestyle. 1341 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,839 Speaker 1: Correct Yeah, well, you know I do get frustrated sometimes. 1342 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,440 Speaker 1: Um luckily not all the time, but I do get frustrated. 1343 01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,360 Speaker 1: And my frustration is not one where I'm upset at people. 1344 01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:13,360 Speaker 1: It's one feeling like if I could just get more 1345 01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,160 Speaker 1: people to invest in themselves and just turn the corner 1346 01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,519 Speaker 1: as far as the way they think their mentality about 1347 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,160 Speaker 1: the importance of leading just a better life. I've never 1348 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,519 Speaker 1: asked for shan for anyone to eat perfectly, or to 1349 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,120 Speaker 1: move perfectly, or to be perfect. That's not what my messages, 1350 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,080 Speaker 1: my messages. If you do a few things just a 1351 01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,280 Speaker 1: little better, then they can drastically improve not just the 1352 01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,800 Speaker 1: quality of your life, but the length of your life. Now, Now, 1353 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 1: when I was in New York and I've seen you 1354 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,479 Speaker 1: on stage, you know, and you're you're talking to like 1355 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,800 Speaker 1: five thousand people in this room, and like I said, 1356 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,120 Speaker 1: it was not a seat empty. People are standing against 1357 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,280 Speaker 1: the walls listening to you talk. When you're talking to 1358 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,400 Speaker 1: a room that be not everybody is understanding your message, 1359 01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,080 Speaker 1: and some of them don't even know why they listen 1360 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,400 Speaker 1: to what you have to say. How do you take 1361 01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,599 Speaker 1: a room that big and and and and craft your 1362 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,639 Speaker 1: narrative so they can understand that look at here, You're 1363 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,160 Speaker 1: just there to provide information and an opportunity for a 1364 01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,320 Speaker 1: longer and better life. Correct, Yeah, you know, that's a 1365 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,080 Speaker 1: good question. And when I'm in a room of that 1366 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,960 Speaker 1: size with that many people, I really focus on one 1367 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,000 Speaker 1: or two people. I don't feel like I'm talking to 1368 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,920 Speaker 1: a whole room. I really try to make that intimate 1369 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,800 Speaker 1: connection with one or two people. So I'll look people, 1370 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,040 Speaker 1: I'll find people in the audience and connect with them, 1371 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,080 Speaker 1: and I and I'm talking to them directly and everyone 1372 01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,080 Speaker 1: else's kind of ease dropping on that conversation, and that 1373 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,840 Speaker 1: allows me to feel like I am engaged. Uh, that 1374 01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,280 Speaker 1: allows me to get that kind of connection. And you 1375 01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,920 Speaker 1: speak to a lot of artisces too. You know, it's 1376 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,080 Speaker 1: important to be able to read the temperature of the room. 1377 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,479 Speaker 1: And that's important because you want to get the head nodder. 1378 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The people who pointed you know, 1379 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 1: when you're looking what they they smiling at you. I 1380 01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:56,040 Speaker 1: con there you go, there you go, doc. See see 1381 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,800 Speaker 1: I thought, Doc, We've been sitting in my office. We've laughed, man, 1382 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,840 Speaker 1: We've been sweet happen because see, what I want to 1383 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,599 Speaker 1: take away from this show is that, like I had 1384 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,599 Speaker 1: the doctor Lana Raglan on the show, successful for doctors 1385 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,000 Speaker 1: out of New York City and d c Y very 1386 01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,880 Speaker 1: popular foot surgeon and his personality. Man, you know you 1387 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,680 Speaker 1: write all these books, but in the end, man, you're 1388 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,960 Speaker 1: not controlling five thousand people unless you have a personality. Correct. Well, yeah, 1389 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,519 Speaker 1: and I think that. You know, one of the reasons 1390 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,719 Speaker 1: why I got into television, um was because I felt 1391 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,280 Speaker 1: as though I wanted to be for just the doctor 1392 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,000 Speaker 1: in the white coat, because doctors are people too. You know, 1393 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,800 Speaker 1: we got bills to pay. We like to go to 1394 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,240 Speaker 1: the movie. You know, we like the ball game. So 1395 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,840 Speaker 1: I think that like me being able to take off 1396 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,960 Speaker 1: the white coat and being able to relate to people 1397 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,680 Speaker 1: on their level and about issues that are important to 1398 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,479 Speaker 1: them has been really, really rewarding to me, and hopefully 1399 01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,160 Speaker 1: along the way I helped a few people. Now here's 1400 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,519 Speaker 1: not when I'm reading this book and now, I've read 1401 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,040 Speaker 1: several of your books in the past, and I can 1402 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,519 Speaker 1: tell you true because he's been on talk shows with me. 1403 01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,600 Speaker 1: Are my talk show radio shows or I have to 1404 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,200 Speaker 1: know when people come on WITHO know what they're talking about, 1405 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,320 Speaker 1: so I can be able to make sure Steve on 1406 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,400 Speaker 1: Steve and me, Steve Harvey knew what was talking about. 1407 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,280 Speaker 1: So when I say I've read some of the books 1408 01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,040 Speaker 1: and path, I'm telling you the honest truth now. But 1409 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,280 Speaker 1: this book felt a little more personal because you talk 1410 01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,760 Speaker 1: about your twin brother, okay, and then you also talk 1411 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,800 Speaker 1: about you know, I believe your grandmother correct, yes, and 1412 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,519 Speaker 1: and how this changed her life. So there are two 1413 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,880 Speaker 1: different age groups that you're discussing in this book, and 1414 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,120 Speaker 1: then you know you're also talking younger but those were 1415 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,560 Speaker 1: specific to me, and I never heard you talk like 1416 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,040 Speaker 1: that in your book before. So, what's this a more 1417 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,799 Speaker 1: personable book to you? Personal book? It was? Yeah, definitely 1418 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,680 Speaker 1: was more personal. Uh. You know, the Tyler book is 1419 01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,680 Speaker 1: called Last to Sugar Out, and I decided this year 1420 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,040 Speaker 1: that I was going to take on sugar for several reasons. 1421 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,560 Speaker 1: One because sugar is everywhere. Manufacturers are putting sugars in 1422 01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,120 Speaker 1: our foods unnecessarily. Now Listen, I like sweet things as 1423 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,400 Speaker 1: much as the next person. So I'm not trying to 1424 01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,439 Speaker 1: say get rid of sugar or eliminated. I'm saying we 1425 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,080 Speaker 1: need to reduce the amount of excess added sugars that 1426 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,880 Speaker 1: are doing nothing to us. And my brother, ironically, my 1427 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,439 Speaker 1: twin brother, I happened to be writing this book and 1428 01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,200 Speaker 1: here I were just in the conversation list in l A. 1429 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,280 Speaker 1: We were just talked on the phone and he was 1430 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,040 Speaker 1: just telling me how much better he felt. I said, 1431 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,280 Speaker 1: why do you feel so so good? He said, well, 1432 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,280 Speaker 1: I cut sugar out. And I couldn't believe it. Here 1433 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 1: I was writing a book about reducing sugar, and here 1434 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,800 Speaker 1: he was doing it. And neither one of us that 1435 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,240 Speaker 1: communicate to each other that we were both attacking the 1436 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:34,519 Speaker 1: same thing exactly exactly. But you know what's interesting is 1437 01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,400 Speaker 1: I learned from his experience, and I incorporated in my introduction, 1438 01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,760 Speaker 1: is that he said that it's not that he was 1439 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,400 Speaker 1: feeling bad, but he was feeling sluggy. She's a marathon running. 1440 01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,920 Speaker 1: He wasn't feeling like himself. And then he realized on 1441 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,519 Speaker 1: his own that he was eating too much sugar. That 1442 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:52,719 Speaker 1: sugar was everything. And so you know that in combination 1443 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,760 Speaker 1: with my grandmother who was diagnosed with type two diabetes, 1444 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,840 Speaker 1: uh and their sixty and I was a medical student, 1445 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,200 Speaker 1: the first your medical student at the time, and you 1446 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,280 Speaker 1: know when I went home for spring for semester breaks, 1447 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, I really worked with her, trying to change 1448 01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,280 Speaker 1: how she ate and how she moved. My grandmother even 1449 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,400 Speaker 1: joined the gym. So here you can imagine a six 1450 01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,080 Speaker 1: some of your old black women from the South, who's 1451 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,560 Speaker 1: never been in a gym in her life. You know, 1452 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,760 Speaker 1: I had I had her in the gym, working out 1453 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,559 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But here's the good news, though, 1454 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,840 Speaker 1: two weeks later she went to her doctor. Her doctor said, 1455 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,519 Speaker 1: what have you been doing? And she said, why do 1456 01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,599 Speaker 1: you say that? He said, I'm gonna have to cut 1457 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,160 Speaker 1: your medications, your diabetes medications and half because your blood 1458 01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 1: sugars have dropped precipitously. And she said, well, my grandson 1459 01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,760 Speaker 1: has been eating a little better and I'm exercising. And 1460 01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,720 Speaker 1: that was way back in the day that I learned that, 1461 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,479 Speaker 1: And so when I wrote this book, I wanted that 1462 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,639 Speaker 1: to be my guiding spirit about how I can talk 1463 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,840 Speaker 1: to people on their level about how small changes can 1464 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,599 Speaker 1: yield big differences. And that's really funny. Did you say 1465 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,479 Speaker 1: that because I was I was doing because I was 1466 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,080 Speaker 1: doing the money making conversations a seminar at w BLAS, 1467 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,720 Speaker 1: and I told people that your your whole goal in 1468 01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,880 Speaker 1: life is for your resume and the things that you 1469 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,200 Speaker 1: hype about yourself to become one that where you understand 1470 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,960 Speaker 1: your future. And I say, in order to understand your future, 1471 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:08,640 Speaker 1: you have to look in your past because as a 1472 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,479 Speaker 1: foundation and information that you've actually gained up being given 1473 01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,800 Speaker 1: in your past that was set forth economic money making 1474 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,880 Speaker 1: the conversations for you in the future. And you just 1475 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,680 Speaker 1: answered that question right there. You said, it's something that 1476 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:25,160 Speaker 1: you knew about when you and with your grandmother. Now 1477 01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,439 Speaker 1: you now kind of like the light bulb went off. 1478 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,920 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, you know. And you know what 1479 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,000 Speaker 1: Rashan essentially said that because you talk about economic past. 1480 01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,400 Speaker 1: You know, I'm very blessed now and I'm in a 1481 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,320 Speaker 1: great position in life. But like everyone else, I had 1482 01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,240 Speaker 1: economic issues like anybody else, by the way, and I 1483 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,560 Speaker 1: learned a valuable lessons than many years ago, when I 1484 01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,320 Speaker 1: had spent more than I you know, owned, and when 1485 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,320 Speaker 1: I was making and found myself and you know, like 1486 01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,040 Speaker 1: everyone does, and I found myself in a very very 1487 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,920 Speaker 1: precarious situation. And I'll never forget that day was over 1488 01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,920 Speaker 1: day and I was wiped out, and I said to God, 1489 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,840 Speaker 1: I've looked this at the truth. I got all my needs. 1490 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,880 Speaker 1: I live in New York City, the upreast side. I 1491 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,280 Speaker 1: got all my needs. And said to the Lord, if 1492 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,720 Speaker 1: you helped me get out of this financial depocle that 1493 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,519 Speaker 1: I'm in right now, I will never ever ever return 1494 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,960 Speaker 1: to it. I will pay my bills on time. I 1495 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,599 Speaker 1: will not overspend. And I made this commitment to him, 1496 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,519 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you guys, my witness. Two weeks later, 1497 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: two weeks later, I got a check in the bail 1498 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:30,280 Speaker 1: for twenty five thousand dollars from Germany. I had no 1499 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,960 Speaker 1: idea why I got this check. This this is the truth. 1500 01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,880 Speaker 1: It's crazy with Shan. And what happened was I had 1501 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,960 Speaker 1: written the book that did not sell in the US, 1502 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,559 Speaker 1: but someone saw the manuscript and the and the book 1503 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,640 Speaker 1: market in Germany and they bought it. Unbeknotes to me, 1504 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,439 Speaker 1: they bought it. And so I didn't know that, soul. 1505 01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they're being sold in Germany. And here I 1506 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,320 Speaker 1: got this check for twenty five thousand dollars, and I 1507 01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,320 Speaker 1: know I did the first thing I did. I said 1508 01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:57,840 Speaker 1: to God, I'm a dud. I told you I was 1509 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,320 Speaker 1: gonna do it. I give all that money, of all 1510 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,759 Speaker 1: that money, I kept five dollars in the bank for myself. 1511 01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,200 Speaker 1: The rest of twenty five thousand dollars and paid off 1512 01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,320 Speaker 1: my debt, like I told I was gonna do. And 1513 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,200 Speaker 1: I've been straight every sense. But that's but the thing 1514 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,760 Speaker 1: about it is that you said, you asked, and then 1515 01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,639 Speaker 1: you did. A lot of people get it, and they go, well, 1516 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, I'm gonna change the 1517 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,600 Speaker 1: plan just a little bit. But you can't change to 1518 01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,679 Speaker 1: play it a little bit. No, No, you gotta say, 1519 01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,680 Speaker 1: you gotta say absolutely, and and that's the that's the 1520 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,320 Speaker 1: beauty of it. And and so so you know, you 1521 01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,640 Speaker 1: know we're gonna do two breaks there, doc so, but 1522 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,479 Speaker 1: but I wanted to, you know, let my listener on 1523 01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,800 Speaker 1: this and guess what we know we we we you 1524 01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,280 Speaker 1: You're back in the Roshan McDonald family now. So you 1525 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 1: know this is the first time or the last time 1526 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna be on my show. It's heard on you know, 1527 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,559 Speaker 1: my eye Parties holding in the Houston, Texas of course, 1528 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,439 Speaker 1: but also our party. I have a podcast on radio, 1529 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,080 Speaker 1: so you know, millions of people listening to this as well. 1530 01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,640 Speaker 1: So my whole thing with you is that, you know, 1531 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,800 Speaker 1: just watching your brand, like I said to know somebody 1532 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,120 Speaker 1: teen years, you know you've seen a journey and I'm 1533 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,400 Speaker 1: not saying your journeys over with and now you owt 1534 01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,840 Speaker 1: right to rate tell me about that. Well, it's great. 1535 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,479 Speaker 1: So you know they called me, uh this is my 1536 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,360 Speaker 1: ninth season with him. They called me randomly and said 1537 01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:13,120 Speaker 1: would you come on and do some segments with us? 1538 01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,679 Speaker 1: And I said sure, And um, that was the executive 1539 01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,000 Speaker 1: producer you know all about that, and the et brought 1540 01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,040 Speaker 1: me in and we have just had a tremendous relationship. 1541 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,439 Speaker 1: I am her head medical contributor. I'm also like cost 1542 01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,000 Speaker 1: but here also so I'm on the show where her 1543 01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:30,000 Speaker 1: right cost show where Her. It's just a great relationship. 1544 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,680 Speaker 1: She's great. In fact, you gotta come on the show. 1545 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,960 Speaker 1: She's great. We have a good time. I'm flying out 1546 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,479 Speaker 1: there today to do a segment on ostel porosis. Uh. 1547 01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,320 Speaker 1: But it's really a good shows, a lot of fun 1548 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,720 Speaker 1: and uh, I just enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Let's 1549 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,960 Speaker 1: let's get talking. Let's talk about your book now, because 1550 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:47,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna talking about your book, but first you gotta 1551 01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,960 Speaker 1: talk about Rashwan in this book. I gotta let you 1552 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,559 Speaker 1: know who you're talking to because you're blast to sugar Out. 1553 01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,760 Speaker 1: Is so funny that I'm talking to you now. You're 1554 01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,320 Speaker 1: talking to a guy who when he goes out to 1555 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,960 Speaker 1: eat in the restaurant, are I ordered my dessert before 1556 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:07,000 Speaker 1: my meal? Okay, that's one too. If you pick up 1557 01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,000 Speaker 1: my phone right now and you went through my apps, 1558 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:16,679 Speaker 1: I have the Crispy Cream Hotlight app. So that means 1559 01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,920 Speaker 1: that I pressed that button. It tells me wherever I'm 1560 01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,200 Speaker 1: at in the country that has the Crispa Cream. If 1561 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,840 Speaker 1: the hot Light is own. They hot and guess what 1562 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,920 Speaker 1: your board do? I pull over? I pull over. I'll 1563 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,360 Speaker 1: just let you know, dr I am crazy about my 1564 01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,559 Speaker 1: sweet Now my wife would tell you this. Uh, butter 1565 01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,320 Speaker 1: becaans my ice cream. Now, there you go, there you go, 1566 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,400 Speaker 1: but see you blue Bell ice cream from Texas not 1567 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,400 Speaker 1: blue Bell ice cream. I will eat a half gallon 1568 01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,439 Speaker 1: of ice cream in a week. Now, I will eat 1569 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,920 Speaker 1: that in a week. So so when you when you 1570 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 1: write a book called Blasted Sugar Out, you and me 1571 01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:03,840 Speaker 1: got to talk because I know exactly what your brother 1572 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:08,240 Speaker 1: was feeling, because whenever I get off of sugar man, 1573 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,680 Speaker 1: I feel bad. I will because every because like in 1574 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,120 Speaker 1: the first quarter of every year, I go on a 1575 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,639 Speaker 1: non sweet diet, a non salt diet, and I lose 1576 01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:22,679 Speaker 1: about anywhere from fifteen pounds. I do it all the time. 1577 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,639 Speaker 1: What's I was diagnosed with cancer, successfully went through surgery. 1578 01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,920 Speaker 1: It was thy roar and I've been given a clean 1579 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,880 Speaker 1: bill of hell three years ago. So I do look 1580 01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: at my health now. But I wanted to tell you 1581 01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:39,320 Speaker 1: exactly who you talking to. We start talking about your 1582 01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,560 Speaker 1: book in the next break, So you want to go 1583 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,000 Speaker 1: because people always go, well, he's he looked healthy. He 1584 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,920 Speaker 1: probably eat good all the time. No, I don't, No, 1585 01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. And so before we go to the 1586 01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,720 Speaker 1: next break, what do you say to idiots like me 1587 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:59,200 Speaker 1: that that out there and just got a Crispy Cree 1588 01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,560 Speaker 1: hot light app on his phone? Before we eat a 1589 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,760 Speaker 1: meal in a restaurant, he all just deserved. He eats 1590 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,639 Speaker 1: a half a gallon of blue Bell butter to come 1591 01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,080 Speaker 1: ice cream in a week? What did you say to 1592 01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,639 Speaker 1: people like me? Dude? Well, first, first thing I would 1593 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,519 Speaker 1: say to you is that you're not an idiot, because 1594 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,120 Speaker 1: there's the people are addicted to week and I was 1595 01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,000 Speaker 1: addicted to and I got I got fifteen thousand people 1596 01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,280 Speaker 1: who are on our Facebook page. It's called sugar Blasters, 1597 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,360 Speaker 1: and these guys all share the same thing you talk about. 1598 01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:32,120 Speaker 1: And you know what, the average weight loss ship for 1599 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,000 Speaker 1: experiencing is twenty pounds in five weeks on the program. 1600 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,519 Speaker 1: So you're not an idiot. You're like everybody else. And 1601 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this before we go. A done it, 1602 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,720 Speaker 1: by the way, has less added sugar in it that 1603 01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,640 Speaker 1: a coke or a snaffle ice too. You know something 1604 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about when they get back about lemonade, 1605 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, in the restaurant to give you all you 1606 01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 1: can drink and we free refills. We're gonna talk about 1607 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,400 Speaker 1: that when we come back, right back. We're gonna be man. 1608 01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,760 Speaker 1: I love you, Man, I'm so halfy. You called them 1609 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,000 Speaker 1: brother were gonna have We're gonna do it. Is Last 1610 01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,400 Speaker 1: Last sigure Out is the name of the book. He's 1611 01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,640 Speaker 1: traveling to New York to do another episode of Rachel Ray. 1612 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,640 Speaker 1: We were back with more of Dr n dr N 1613 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,400 Speaker 1: Smith number on New York Times, best selling author of Shred, 1614 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,880 Speaker 1: but Blast the sigure Out. This is new book. We're 1615 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,920 Speaker 1: right back for more money making conversations. Hi, this is 1616 01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,080 Speaker 1: Sean McDonald. I'm back, your host of money making Conversations 1617 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,920 Speaker 1: on the phone. I have Dr Ian Smith, longtime relationship 1618 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,439 Speaker 1: over ten years, co host of the nationally syndicated Rachel 1619 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,800 Speaker 1: Ratio and then New York Times. I'm just talking about 1620 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,639 Speaker 1: he owns New York Times bestseller Shred. We'll talk about 1621 01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,240 Speaker 1: that a little bit, but we don't show to talk 1622 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,000 Speaker 1: about right now. It's this new book called Blast of 1623 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,040 Speaker 1: Sugar Out. And I already told, already made my confessions 1624 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,880 Speaker 1: about who I was and who he was talking to 1625 01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,240 Speaker 1: and he said with Sean, don't feel bad. There are 1626 01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:47,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people out of you. That's why I 1627 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,040 Speaker 1: wrote this book. Now, let's talk about that book, this 1628 01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,200 Speaker 1: book without you know, you talk about books. You gotta 1629 01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,160 Speaker 1: be able to talk about the book, but not give 1630 01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,240 Speaker 1: away the books, so people go buy the book. Tell 1631 01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:01,040 Speaker 1: us about Blast to Sugar Out. So so this book 1632 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,080 Speaker 1: basically is a book that helps people reduce the amount 1633 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,639 Speaker 1: of surface that they're consuming. It doesn't ask them to eliminate, 1634 01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't ask them to eat perfectly. It's regular food. 1635 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,400 Speaker 1: By the way, when you go, every day is spelled 1636 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,120 Speaker 1: out for you five weeks. The average weight loss is 1637 01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,439 Speaker 1: up to twenty pounds in five weeks. But it's regular food, 1638 01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,720 Speaker 1: so you know, day one, day two, all the way 1639 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,160 Speaker 1: through the end. People can buy this in grocery stores 1640 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,360 Speaker 1: anywhere near them. Doesn't have to be gourmet. This is 1641 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,120 Speaker 1: a book that the whole family can do. I have 1642 01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,920 Speaker 1: families for doing this together, because there are foods that 1643 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,200 Speaker 1: kids eat and adults eat. But this is something I 1644 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,920 Speaker 1: want your listeners to really take away. First, you have 1645 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:35,800 Speaker 1: to know how much you're eating, how much sugar you're eating, 1646 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,560 Speaker 1: and this is how you figure it out. When you 1647 01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,400 Speaker 1: see the numbers on the back of a label, the 1648 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:45,080 Speaker 1: grams of sugar, you divide that number by four. The 1649 01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,880 Speaker 1: number you get as a result of that division is 1650 01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,240 Speaker 1: how many teaspoons are in one serving of that product. 1651 01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,639 Speaker 1: So if it says, for example, that the soda has 1652 01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:00,439 Speaker 1: sixty grams of sugar, which by the way, bottle of 1653 01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,759 Speaker 1: of of cold can do that sixty grams of sugar, 1654 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:09,439 Speaker 1: you divide that by four. That's almost sixteen teaspoons of 1655 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,000 Speaker 1: sugar is that one bottle? M hmm. This is very 1656 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,920 Speaker 1: important for people to listen, So say that one more 1657 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,240 Speaker 1: time on time, take a number on the back of 1658 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:24,800 Speaker 1: the label of grams of sugar divided by four. The 1659 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,280 Speaker 1: number you get is how many teaspoons you are consuming 1660 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,679 Speaker 1: and one serving of that product. M Because the reason 1661 01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,080 Speaker 1: is important because see when I do gain weight, doctor's 1662 01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,320 Speaker 1: when I am, I'm a big water drinker. When I 1663 01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:42,400 Speaker 1: go to at home, I drink waiters are waitresses, they 1664 01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:44,719 Speaker 1: just look at me. Go for real, dude, I would 1665 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,519 Speaker 1: just drink water water field please, I mean big glasses 1666 01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,680 Speaker 1: of water. And so I just love water and uh 1667 01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,160 Speaker 1: and so sometimes I go in a restaurant and they say, 1668 01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:59,439 Speaker 1: freelimonade refields. Okay, the nd I'm sitting up there drinking 1669 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,720 Speaker 1: for or the five glasses of lemonade. And that's just 1670 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,519 Speaker 1: like what you just say, I'm just drinking. I'm just 1671 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,960 Speaker 1: eating teaspoons of sugar when I'm doing that, correct. Yeah, absolutely, 1672 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 1: And if you're gonna do that, by the way, just 1673 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,800 Speaker 1: as a tip. I like lemonade too, by the way, 1674 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,240 Speaker 1: but what I do when I go to a restaurant, 1675 01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,240 Speaker 1: get lemonade, and then take my water, and I dilute 1676 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,080 Speaker 1: it so that it reduces the concentration of a sugar 1677 01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:23,720 Speaker 1: that's in there. So I diluted. So that's one thing 1678 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,040 Speaker 1: people can do. But when it comes to soda, the 1679 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,600 Speaker 1: studies show that the number one source of excess or 1680 01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,280 Speaker 1: added sugars come from sugary drinks like soda. So I 1681 01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,479 Speaker 1: tell people the first thing you should do is this. 1682 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,120 Speaker 1: If you drink, let's just say six can some people do, 1683 01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,840 Speaker 1: by the way, six cans of soda of course of 1684 01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,479 Speaker 1: the day, divide it in half, okay, so reduce it 1685 01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,320 Speaker 1: down to three cans, and then for the other three 1686 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,120 Speaker 1: that you're taking away, drink some carbonated or selts of 1687 01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,200 Speaker 1: water and then squeeze some stitches in it, some lime 1688 01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,200 Speaker 1: or some lemon to give you a little kick. But 1689 01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,360 Speaker 1: that is a that's something you can do right away 1690 01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,320 Speaker 1: to cut down on some of these excess sugar. Because 1691 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,240 Speaker 1: my wife she does decarbinated water. I didn't know she 1692 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,479 Speaker 1: come on with me. I said, oh no, no, don't 1693 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,880 Speaker 1: mean no, your boy, don't do that. I'm gonna ride 1694 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,720 Speaker 1: this one out. Let See. See here's the funny point 1695 01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,559 Speaker 1: about I'm hearing all your advice, but I'm kind of like, Okay, 1696 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm fighting it. I'm fighting it. But you're telling the 1697 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:19,679 Speaker 1: truth though, you know, like, dilute that good, that good lemonade. 1698 01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,880 Speaker 1: He wants me to dilute that good, that good Chick 1699 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,760 Speaker 1: fil A lemonade. He want me to dilute that good 1700 01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:40,479 Speaker 1: is be honest with you, honest. I will go forget 1701 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,880 Speaker 1: the sandwich. I give me a large lemonade, and I 1702 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,599 Speaker 1: give me a large waffle five. I'm in my car. 1703 01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,599 Speaker 1: I don't even catch up. They asked me for sauces 1704 01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,800 Speaker 1: and me, y'all don't know who you're talking to. Get 1705 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,840 Speaker 1: my lemonade, my five, and I'm a food that's the duty. 1706 01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,120 Speaker 1: That's why I know. I gotta get you back, because see, 1707 01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,040 Speaker 1: I want to bring this side. I think through humor, 1708 01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:06,320 Speaker 1: through personality, people are listening more because we're not asking 1709 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:10,559 Speaker 1: people to suddenly become boring. You're not asking people to say, hey, man, 1710 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,599 Speaker 1: whoa whoa boa do this? Man, I gotta changed my life. 1711 01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,880 Speaker 1: I can't watch TV no more, I can't do not 1712 01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,200 Speaker 1: I can't eat good food no more. That's not the 1713 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,120 Speaker 1: true you're talking about. Hey, you want people understand what's 1714 01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,719 Speaker 1: the difference between brown sugar versus white sugar? Why? There's 1715 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,200 Speaker 1: why when you use honey the advantages and with that transition, 1716 01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,880 Speaker 1: tell people the difference between brown sugar and white sugar. 1717 01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:37,160 Speaker 1: And when they say, you know these different alternatives, they 1718 01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,400 Speaker 1: are listed in your book. They are listed in great 1719 01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,040 Speaker 1: detail in your book. Yeah, let me break it down. 1720 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,840 Speaker 1: So brown sugar and white sugar, from a nutritional standpoint, 1721 01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,160 Speaker 1: there is no difference. And that's what people don't understand. 1722 01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:53,679 Speaker 1: Marketers and manufacturers and advertisers have done such a great 1723 01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:57,800 Speaker 1: job of leading the public to believe that because it 1724 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,560 Speaker 1: says raw sugar or brown sugar that it's healthier. The 1725 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,559 Speaker 1: only thing making the sugar brown is that it has 1726 01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:09,439 Speaker 1: molasses on it, and so sugar typically the regular cane sugar, 1727 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:13,240 Speaker 1: natural cane sugar is brown because of the molasses. And 1728 01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,200 Speaker 1: what typically happens is through the through the process of 1729 01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:21,840 Speaker 1: processing sugar, we then remove the molasses, we crystallize the 1730 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:25,080 Speaker 1: sugar tubes, and we get this this white crystal is 1731 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,160 Speaker 1: not fine white crystal. So when people say, well, brown 1732 01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,479 Speaker 1: sugar is better, no, no, no, no no. Brown sugar 1733 01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,080 Speaker 1: and white sugar have the same nutritional value. But if 1734 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,120 Speaker 1: you want to try something different, you should try something 1735 01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:41,920 Speaker 1: like organic stevia. Stevia comes from the stevia plant. It's 1736 01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,040 Speaker 1: very sweet, sometimes sweeter than sugar, but just make sure 1737 01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,439 Speaker 1: it's organic because sometimes manufactors or put a lot of 1738 01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,640 Speaker 1: other chemicals in a mixed stevia product. The other thing 1739 01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:56,960 Speaker 1: to try is honey. Honey fantastic. Yes, honey still is sweet. 1740 01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:00,200 Speaker 1: Honey does have some calories in it, but honey also 1741 01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:03,519 Speaker 1: has other good nratriditional values to it outside of the sweetness. 1742 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,839 Speaker 1: So the book goes through all the different types of sweeteners. 1743 01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,000 Speaker 1: It talks about artificial sweeteners. I am not a fan 1744 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,240 Speaker 1: of artificial sweeteners because the word artificial to me means process, 1745 01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,080 Speaker 1: means it could be damaging to your body. The studies 1746 01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,720 Speaker 1: are mixed right now as the weather adopted long term consequences. 1747 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,519 Speaker 1: But I'd rather have a little bit of the real stuff. 1748 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,200 Speaker 1: They take the artificial stuff that's been creating a lot. 1749 01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,519 Speaker 1: And I'm I just talked about this, honey, right quick. 1750 01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm a big pancake guy, you know, I go to 1751 01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,880 Speaker 1: crack a barrel. Let me tell you something. Them become pancake. 1752 01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,720 Speaker 1: Did they throw out the back of that kitchen and 1753 01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:38,559 Speaker 1: put up that. I give by three or four of them, 1754 01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,679 Speaker 1: and I do it up right. I accidentally put honey 1755 01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:47,120 Speaker 1: on my pancakes. And I would have never I would 1756 01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,599 Speaker 1: have never ever put honey on my pancakes. I get 1757 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,760 Speaker 1: I grabbed that maple syrup, my friend, gotta be thick, 1758 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, put a little better on top, and I 1759 01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,439 Speaker 1: put it on that on those pancakes. And I looked 1760 01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:59,280 Speaker 1: at my wife, I go, what's that? She's a you eating? Echo? 1761 01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:03,040 Speaker 1: Why out? It's pretty cool? Pretty good? Right, it's pretty 1762 01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:07,840 Speaker 1: pretty good. It's pretty good. And so I say that 1763 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,559 Speaker 1: to say that we will tell ourselves, we will deny 1764 01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:17,360 Speaker 1: ourselves before even trying. Because I accidentally tried honey. It's 1765 01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:20,760 Speaker 1: changing my diet Rashan, you have hit on such an 1766 01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:24,080 Speaker 1: important point, not just about food but life in general, 1767 01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,439 Speaker 1: about particularly when I talked to African Americans, as I say, 1768 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,120 Speaker 1: you guys, don't say no yet based on the name 1769 01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,559 Speaker 1: of it or based on the look of it. Give 1770 01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,680 Speaker 1: it a try, and people get surprised that once they 1771 01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,880 Speaker 1: try something they thought they would never like, Like we say, well, 1772 01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,559 Speaker 1: I don't want to eat that keen? What's that keen walk? 1773 01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,680 Speaker 1: Then people try it in a dish, They're like, what 1774 01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,519 Speaker 1: is this. I'm like, that's keen hummas. I'm not gonna 1775 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,320 Speaker 1: eat any hummus. They try some hummus, They're like, oh, 1776 01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:56,320 Speaker 1: this is good. What is this humas? So one of 1777 01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:57,680 Speaker 1: the thing I tried to do all my books. The 1778 01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,160 Speaker 1: book has more than forty recipes as all kinds of 1779 01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,320 Speaker 1: snacks in there. What I try to do with my 1780 01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:09,479 Speaker 1: books is to open up people's palate before and I 1781 01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,640 Speaker 1: think that that's why I'm so happy to have you 1782 01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,200 Speaker 1: on the show, because I'm that person. I'm that person. 1783 01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm in some cases the extreme because like I said, 1784 01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,320 Speaker 1: I don't think everybody rolling around with a with a 1785 01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,679 Speaker 1: Crispy Crean hotlight app on there and it is supposed 1786 01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,439 Speaker 1: to be one of these polished professionals. You know what 1787 01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying, I gotta do and probably used it on 1788 01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:32,479 Speaker 1: Saturday when I landed in Atlantic, landed at nine o'clock, 1789 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,360 Speaker 1: hit that app light was all drove over. There has 1790 01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,240 Speaker 1: some has a blueberry cake Donenuts coming down the line 1791 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,200 Speaker 1: and had the classic glaze. I said, give me six glaze, 1792 01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,360 Speaker 1: give me too blueberry, and give me some two percent 1793 01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:54,080 Speaker 1: milk and that And that's the beauty of of of 1794 01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,120 Speaker 1: doing it right and doing it wrong. But in the 1795 01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,080 Speaker 1: process of hearing and reading your book, I'm just telling you, guys, 1796 01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,840 Speaker 1: read this book. He's let me know. Okay, there's a 1797 01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,879 Speaker 1: five week program. Let's talk about that five week program. 1798 01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,920 Speaker 1: And in the first week a get started. Let's talk 1799 01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:12,000 Speaker 1: about that. So it's five weeks. Every day is starlled 1800 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,120 Speaker 1: out for you, so breakfast, snack, launch, snack, dinner with 1801 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,760 Speaker 1: optional snack, all those things are laid out for you 1802 01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,759 Speaker 1: with options. So if you're someone who doesn't eat fish 1803 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,560 Speaker 1: or meat or your vegetarian, there are enough options you 1804 01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:28,080 Speaker 1: can swap in and out very easily. There's also some exercise, 1805 01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:29,880 Speaker 1: so I give you some exercises you can do. By 1806 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,000 Speaker 1: the way, I never asked you to work out for 1807 01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:33,680 Speaker 1: an hour in the gym. You don't need to work 1808 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,639 Speaker 1: out for an hour in the gym. In fact, mostly 1809 01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:37,120 Speaker 1: exercise you don't need a gym to be able to 1810 01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:40,679 Speaker 1: complete them. So every day you will get your meal plan, 1811 01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,400 Speaker 1: and if it's an exercise day, there are rest days. 1812 01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,360 Speaker 1: If it's an exercise day, I'll give you a suggestive 1813 01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,040 Speaker 1: amount of exercise and some exercises to do, and you 1814 01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:49,920 Speaker 1: go day by day a by that and what happens. 1815 01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,519 Speaker 1: What you don't really, you don't realize, is that they're 1816 01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,639 Speaker 1: gonna have to count calories in my program. Nothing. Why 1817 01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:56,719 Speaker 1: do you have to be able to measure or look 1818 01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:58,920 Speaker 1: at something like if I say a cup or half 1819 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,960 Speaker 1: a cup, that's all you gotta do. But the idea 1820 01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,679 Speaker 1: is this, over the course of five weeks, I'm slowly 1821 01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,680 Speaker 1: weaning you off excess cucus I'm not taking you all 1822 01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,280 Speaker 1: this completely, by the way, I'm just lowering it down. 1823 01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,000 Speaker 1: And the reason why I do it gradly is because 1824 01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:23,200 Speaker 1: if you stopped consuming sugar cold turkey, hello, we lost 1825 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:28,640 Speaker 1: him cool. Well he just dropped off about to go 1826 01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,920 Speaker 1: through that big ending and then he just dropped off. Okay, cool, 1827 01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,759 Speaker 1: let me just wrap this up real quick with dry Smith. Basically, 1828 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,679 Speaker 1: what he's saying is that in his book The Blaster 1829 01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:42,800 Speaker 1: Sugar Out, his brother did that. He dropped cold turkey 1830 01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,200 Speaker 1: and it just really affected his body. So he's talking 1831 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,840 Speaker 1: from a lane of experience, a lane of understanding that 1832 01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,080 Speaker 1: you can't do anything. And I've done that. I've just 1833 01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:53,200 Speaker 1: stopped you know, just stopped you those doughnuts that you've 1834 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,160 Speaker 1: heard me talk about for the last thirty minutes on 1835 01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,800 Speaker 1: the air with Dr N Smith. All these things I've 1836 01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,479 Speaker 1: done and guess what is not do it? To do 1837 01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,120 Speaker 1: it that way, you have to have a plan, You 1838 01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:05,200 Speaker 1: have to have a process. You have to be able 1839 01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,120 Speaker 1: to talk to people to be able to say this 1840 01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,519 Speaker 1: is how it is supposed to be done. And that's 1841 01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,920 Speaker 1: what Dr N Smith is saying. Dr Smith is saying 1842 01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,360 Speaker 1: right now, is he back on the line? Doctor, You're back. 1843 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,479 Speaker 1: You're bout the end that you you you you rolling 1844 01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,280 Speaker 1: up to a big moment and then you then you 1845 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,880 Speaker 1: left me. So I was saying, So I was saying, 1846 01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,320 Speaker 1: what happens is that every day you don't go through 1847 01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:27,120 Speaker 1: the withdrawal because I slowly reduced your sugar, and you 1848 01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:29,200 Speaker 1: don't have that rebound that people do who cut off 1849 01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,240 Speaker 1: cold turkey, and you don't have those urges because you're 1850 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,080 Speaker 1: still getting sugar, just not too much. And that's really 1851 01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:36,800 Speaker 1: important because, like I was saying, in your book, you 1852 01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,559 Speaker 1: talk about your twin brother who did that, and how 1853 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,880 Speaker 1: I really made him miserable, you know, made him, made 1854 01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:46,360 Speaker 1: his days longer, and his energy was bad because he 1855 01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,519 Speaker 1: did that. And and not cold turkey. He stopped cold turkey. 1856 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,120 Speaker 1: And that's not small. You know, we're not trying you 1857 01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,080 Speaker 1: know this ain't buy no drug. You know you're over 1858 01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,880 Speaker 1: there guard. You know. It's just about just about slowing 1859 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,000 Speaker 1: it down. And I've done the cold turkey turkey thing, 1860 01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:02,160 Speaker 1: cold turkey too, and what happens there, I would start vibrating. 1861 01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:06,679 Speaker 1: You know, I'll get nervous a lot because my nervous jittery, jittery. 1862 01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:08,880 Speaker 1: So I know for a fact what he's saying. That's 1863 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,280 Speaker 1: why it's important to buy this book is it tells 1864 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,519 Speaker 1: you how to do it correctly. He's trying to wean 1865 01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,360 Speaker 1: you are trying to not drastically change your diet, but 1866 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:20,479 Speaker 1: educate you and change your diet so you can learn 1867 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,800 Speaker 1: and then feel comfortable and strong every day. Dr Smith, 1868 01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,479 Speaker 1: It's been amazing man. I appreciate you coming on the show. 1869 01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,559 Speaker 1: Any any part in words where you get out of here, 1870 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,559 Speaker 1: my friend. Absolutely. I want to say this. There are 1871 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,760 Speaker 1: twenty eight million plus Americans who are Type two diabetics. 1872 01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,040 Speaker 1: There are eighty six million Americans who are pre diabetic. 1873 01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,519 Speaker 1: I mean they're on the Vergin diabetes. With my plan 1874 01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,080 Speaker 1: Blast to Sugar Out, we were able to reduce people's 1875 01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,800 Speaker 1: blood sugars by thirty percent. People are coming off of 1876 01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:51,680 Speaker 1: their medications. They are preventing diabetes from happening. So this 1877 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:53,880 Speaker 1: is not just a book for diabetics. This is a 1878 01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,760 Speaker 1: book for all of us, myself included, because all of 1879 01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:58,720 Speaker 1: us are eating too much sugar. We all need to 1880 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,080 Speaker 1: drop our blood sugar level and once you do that, 1881 01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,120 Speaker 1: life will never be the same. Join me on social media. 1882 01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,960 Speaker 1: On Instagram it's at Dr Ian Smith's Fell the Doctor 1883 01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:11,680 Speaker 1: Out and on Twitter it's at Dr Ian Smith d 1884 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,040 Speaker 1: R I A. N. Smith And our Facebook group is 1885 01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,160 Speaker 1: called sugar Blasters. I love you, man, appreciate you, man, 1886 01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:20,599 Speaker 1: and good luck. On Rachel Raider's Weekend, We're talking soon. 1887 01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:22,479 Speaker 1: I'm telling them sending a link so we can post 1888 01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,280 Speaker 1: you on our money Making Conversation Facebook page and Twitter account. 1889 01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,439 Speaker 1: Let's get the word I We'll talk soon, man, and 1890 01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:31,280 Speaker 1: good luck. Listening makes us smarter, more connected people. 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