1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: never told you protection to by Heart Radio, and welcome 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: to another edition of Activists around the World. And we 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: are keeping in theme with the indigenous peoples and what 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: they have done, what they continue to do around the 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: world and for the community. All right, so we're gonna 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about cartography, I guess, and essentially 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: how they are making some amazing changes and advocating for 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: their community. But before we start, and you and had 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: I recently had this conversation about how we did not 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: have GPS. Yes, folks, there's there's a lot of us 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: who remember days before GPS and UH taking around Yahoo Maps, 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: not even Google, because Google really wasn't a thing at 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: that point. It was Yahoo Maps everywhere and trying to 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: figure this out. But even before then, before having the 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: uh like point by point direction, there was just maps. 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: Can you read a map? Yeah? Actually? Yeah, yeah, okay, 18 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: So if I just handed you like we gotta go 19 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: to this and could you read it like not on 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: roads either, like actual land maps. I don't think I 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: would be excellent at it, but I think I could 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: do it. And my mom and I were talking about 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: this other day because we were in a situation where 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: a map needed to be read and I read that map, 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: look at you. I was pretty impressed, and I probably 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been. But you know, there's a lot too. 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: We know, the whole trope about women not knowing directions, 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: men refusing to ask for directions, all of those things. 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: I think we need to come back and talk about 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: cryptography and women. I think that would be really fascinating 31 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: because the idea of maps and then three D maps. 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: I was obsessed in social studies when we would have 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: the raised maps and trying to fill follow the landscapes 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: and trying to figure out mountains and the deserts and 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: what areas go to like agriculture for agricultural needs as 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: well as for land building as well as property lines. Man, 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: it's a whole big field that I'm wondering. As everything 38 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: has become more and more technology based and we've gotten 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: more advanced. What cartography looks like today to be honest, 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: But because of those advancements, it has really really helped 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: into at least organizing and or bringing predictors for possible disasters, 42 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: which is what we're going to talk about today. But 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: I just had a moment of like cryptography, we don't 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: actually talk about that much anymore. I wonder why is 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: happening in that world? Of course arrested development. That dude 46 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: was buster. Did you watch that in cartography that you 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: couldn't actually read? Matthew was just coloring all over the place. 48 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: That would be Yeah, I mean, that's a valuable it's 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: a mental release. You were of myself. You're like, that's 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: that's good for you. You You self care with that mac coloring, Samantha, 51 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: you self care because there is a reason we're talking 52 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: about maths in general. I definitely went off because that's 53 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: the development. It was funny, all right. But today we 54 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: are actually talking about the leadership and activism of Hindu 55 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: Umura Ibrahim, who is an environmentalist as well as a 56 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: women's activist from Chad and is an embora indigenous pastoralist 57 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: as well. And um these are again a few of 58 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: the hats that she wears. She is, as we're talking about, 59 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: a cartographer and more. And she's really used these technologies 60 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: and this skill and uh bringing a community together and 61 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: helping her lands and her peoples to try to navigate 62 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: what is happening in the climate change, which is impacted 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: them pretty greatly. She's been active in advocating for her 64 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: indigenous community, whether it's spending time with her community as 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: they continue to fall and heard the land, or working 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: to help those who don't have access to higher education 67 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: to get that access. Uh. It was when she was 68 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: in school herself she understood how many Indigenous women were 69 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: not able to get the same educational opportunities, so she 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: founded the Association of Indigenous Pool Women and People's of 71 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: chad or As Pat a f p a T and 72 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: the organization started as a community based organization that focused 73 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: on the rights of girls and women in in Borrow, 74 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: but has since grown. In two thousand five, six years 75 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: after the founding, the organization received an operating license and 76 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: has been working on an environmental level, including participating in 77 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: international negotiations for climate change, environmental protection, sustainable measures around 78 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: the community, and more. And throughout her advocacy, she has 79 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: continued to talk about the intersections of human rights, women's rights, 80 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: and environmental rights, and that to fight for justice and rights, 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: you can't advocate for one without the other. In an 82 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: interview for Rolex and Time magazine, she said people need 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: to understand that we cannot talk about human rights without 84 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: talking about environmental rights. We all depend on nature, we 85 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: interact with our environment. That's why for me, I can't 86 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: protect human rights without also protecting the environment. And that's 87 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: something she has been doing for her community. After witnessing 88 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: the detriments her community has gone through due to the 89 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: continued climate crisis, Ebraheem has been working as a leader 90 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: to help her people and those around her in the 91 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: in bud Royal community. Climate change has decimated water access 92 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: and land access to the herding community. Like Chad, an 93 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: important water source for her community, has gone down to 94 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: ten percent of what it originally was. This loss has 95 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: not only caused hardships for the land as a resource, 96 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: but it started a violent competition for the farmers trying 97 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: to get access to the water and other dwindling resources, 98 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: as well as displacing many families in the community. She 99 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: watched as the impact grew and she began experimenting with 100 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: an idea to not only have the indigenous community come together, 101 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: but to lead together to work on creating a mapping 102 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: sens them that could help locate and allocate resources for 103 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: farmers and herders within the indigenous community. She knew that 104 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: because Indigenous people were the most affected by the climate 105 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: crisis at that point, that they would be able to 106 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: find a way to create a system to make progress 107 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: in combating the harms of climate change. She stated, as 108 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: an indigenous people's we know how to protect our forests, 109 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: We know how to manage funding. You just have to 110 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: respect the way we do it. We want to be partners, 111 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: not recipients or beneficiaries. Um and. She has been very 112 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: very vocal about the fact that they need to be 113 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: the leader in this conversation, and I absolutely agree. One 114 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: of Abraham's first projects included working with meteorologists to get 115 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: accurate local forecasts that eventually became text musage alerts to 116 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: help herders and others to get information that that is 117 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: often unpredictable, but trying to get that information in advance 118 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: right um And. She then went on to work with 119 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: local indigenous farmers to started mapping exercise, getting community members 120 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: to plot migration patterns and corridors for cattle to water. 121 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Um Then she met with fishers to get information on 122 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: access to shores and moved on to getting information from 123 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: farmers for cropland data and Ibrahim collaborated with UNESCO and 124 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: the Indigenous Peoples of Africa Coordinating Committee are I pack 125 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: I p a CC to create a three D map 126 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: of Chad's Sa Hill Desert region with ever two fifty 127 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: thousand MEMBORDA rule that's a tough one to pronounce. I 128 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: hope we're gonna get some likes UM, people who rely 129 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: on farming and hurting. The map helped the community to 130 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: plan for future climate needs and mitigation UM. It allowed 131 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: for the voices of the indigenous people to be a 132 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: part of the science and technology conversations to make decisions 133 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: for the future and how to work sustainably for their community. UM. 134 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: And even more, the project helped Indigenous women to have 135 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: a voice and decision making power in a way that 136 00:07:49,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: continue to uphold the traditions of their culture. UH and 137 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: her continued work and advocacy has made her a leader 138 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: not only for her community but across the nation. In sixteen, 139 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Ibraham was selected to sign at the historic Paris Climate Agreement, 140 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: and in eighteen she attended the United Nations Climate Change Conference, 141 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: where she reiterated the importance of government responsibility and how 142 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: they and policymakers were the ones who could create real 143 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: change instead of putting it solely on individuals, which happens 144 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: way too often. And in twenty nineteen she was appointed 145 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: as an Advocate of Sustainable Development Goals by the U 146 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: N And with all that, she has served as co 147 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: chair of the International Indigenous People's Forum on Climate Change, 148 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: and she is also a member of the Policy Board 149 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: of United Nations and so much more. And with all 150 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: of this responsibility, she has garnered awards and accolades for 151 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: her work, including seventeens National Geographic Society Emerging Explorer Seen 152 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: and eighteens BBCs one Women twenty nineteens Pritzker Emerging Environment 153 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: Genius Award, twenty nineteens Time Magazines fifteen Women Championing Action 154 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: on Climate Change Award, twenties Refugees International Richard C. Holbrook 155 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: Award for her work and promoting the rights and interests 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: of vulnerable communities. And in one she became a Laureate 157 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: of Rolex Awards for Enterprise. So a lot of awards, yes, 158 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: and she's got a lot of responsibility as being chairman, 159 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: co chairs and advocates all around the world and not 160 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: just obviously uh in Chad, and she's been doing a 161 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: lot more. I believe she's got some write ups happening. 162 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: She's of course going around doing speeches, and she's doing 163 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: so much and making sure that Indigenous people are at 164 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: the forefront in this conversation, and even knowing that as 165 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: a woman she didn't originally get the respect that someone 166 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: else made a man would have, but she still pushed 167 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: to get this done because it was a lot about 168 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: being a peacemaker and bringing her community together because it 169 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: was causing so much strife individually and causing so much 170 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: tension in her community with this lack of resources. Yeah, yeah, 171 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: it's incredibly important work and as always inspiring to see 172 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: what she's doing and continues to do. And I'm sure 173 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: we'll check in and we'll have updates of more rewards 174 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: and more accomplishments and everything. But yeah, as always, if 175 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: you have any suggestions for people we should talk about 176 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: um the segment that, please let us know. You can 177 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: email us at Steffi and mom stuff at iHeart media 178 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: dot com. You can find us on Twitter at moms podcast, 179 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: or on Instagram and stuff one never told you. 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