Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nwcomb and this is a production
Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Beara Render presented by to Covis. We've
Speaker 1: got a We've got some various special guests today, very
Speaker 1: special special on a scale, specialist special, the most special
Speaker 1: guests of all time. We have Juju Nukem. Let's go
Speaker 1: cos hot seat today. Wow, this is this is my mother,
Speaker 1: Juju Newkem. She's here with us along with Gary Nukem,
Speaker 1: my father, who's been here many times before. But you
Speaker 1: guys are collectively in the toa Covi's hot seat.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to say Juju's more hot seat adjacent,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think we've got I like it collected
Speaker 2: love seat.
Speaker 3: What happens?
Speaker 1: How long have you guys been married?
Speaker 3: What happens in the Takova hot seat?
Speaker 1: All the special question I get some boots. Well, yes,
Speaker 1: now that you bring it out, yes, but fifty that
Speaker 1: actually claimed him.
Speaker 4: You can each have one boot.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 4: I bet we could work.
Speaker 1: Now, how long have you guys been married?
Speaker 5: Fifty five?
Speaker 1: Fifty five?
Speaker 5: You think, mom, I think it's more like seventy.
Speaker 6: Thirteen, twenty three, twenty three, So fifty three years fifty three.
Speaker 2: Wait you get married seventy three seventy three, yeah, seventy.
Speaker 7: Three if you had your anniversary this year already, we
Speaker 7: don't keep up this night August night.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well we have Bear John nukembe and then we
Speaker 1: have Misty doctor Misty Nukem with us and Josh Lambridge Schoolmaker.
Speaker 1: If you're watching this video move on YouTube, you will
Speaker 1: notice that I am fully decked out in dark water first,
Speaker 1: like Camo. This is not head to knee, head to
Speaker 1: knee this, yeah, I've got I've got these snake boots
Speaker 1: on to COVID. Yeah, they're collabed. They're pretty cool. But
Speaker 1: this is not a stunt. I literally just pulled up
Speaker 1: a couple hours ago from turkey hunting, Josh and killed
Speaker 1: big Gobbler.
Speaker 4: I just pulled in from turkey hunting. Only I don't
Speaker 4: have one of those.
Speaker 1: So I killed this bird at eleven o'clock today, And
Speaker 1: I want to tell you what I was this morning
Speaker 1: when I pulled.
Speaker 4: I just got the barring on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've several of the ones we've seen this year
Speaker 1: had that.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I pulled out this morning at before three am. Yes, actually,
Speaker 1: actually that's not true. It was three point thirty. I
Speaker 1: left really early. I just wanted to make sure I
Speaker 1: got to my spot early and on public land. And
Speaker 1: it was a terrible morning, I mean the whole Like
Speaker 1: I was driving down the highway and I saw the
Speaker 1: interstate signs like doing like this, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: why I may even going almost.
Speaker 2: Making the win to those who are listening only.
Speaker 1: Yep, And I almost turned around and came back. But
Speaker 1: I went out there and there, and it was a
Speaker 1: productive morning in that you could hear different times, like
Speaker 1: the wind would die down and you could hear, and
Speaker 1: then by late morning you could actually hear really good,
Speaker 1: like the wind completely died down. But I didn't hear
Speaker 1: a gobble, didn't hear a single gobble, and basically was
Speaker 1: done hunting. On the way home, and I see a
Speaker 1: gobbler like one hundred and fifty yards away before I
Speaker 1: just see a gobbler. Okay, okay, I'm done hunting, all right.
Speaker 1: I see which way he's going. And I had been
Speaker 1: crowing Alan.
Speaker 4: Calling I'm scary with his foil gum again.
Speaker 1: Cutting and no gobbles all morning. And I slip off
Speaker 1: the mountain the same way this turkey's going, but about
Speaker 1: three hundred yards from him. Okay, kind I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be right on top of him because I saw
Speaker 1: which way was going, dropped off, kind of got ahead
Speaker 1: of him, stopped, just got set up, and it was
Speaker 1: just like, there's no way this is going to work.
Speaker 1: Like this turkey doesn't want a gobble. Yelped, soft yelped,
Speaker 1: and I know that I'm within two hundred yards of
Speaker 1: this turkey or so. And five minutes after I yelp,
Speaker 1: I hear a raspy yelp back just and I think
Speaker 1: it's a hen and but I go, well, one answered me,
Speaker 1: so I called back at it, but it sounded like
Speaker 1: a jake yelping, and that's what it was. Two jakes
Speaker 1: come marching right in, and when I saw their heads,
Speaker 1: I thought, this is the gobbler, and I thought that
Speaker 1: they had some association with the gobbler that I only
Speaker 1: saw one turkey. But I get down there, yelp, here
Speaker 1: comes two jakes. I think, well, the gobbler's behind him.
Speaker 1: The two Jakes come in and just come right in
Speaker 1: my lap, and I'm just hoping not to get seen,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking behind them and I'm thinking the gobblers
Speaker 1: coming behind them. They passed by me. Ten minutes goes
Speaker 1: no gobbler. I yelp. The Jakes come back. They come
Speaker 1: right back past me, and I'm just frozen. And they
Speaker 1: walk back now towards where I thought the gobbler was.
Speaker 1: I've still not heard a gobbler seen a gobbler since
Speaker 1: I've set up. I yelp again. The Jakes come back
Speaker 1: three times. Call up the Jakes to within twenty yards.
Speaker 1: The Jakes make a circle, and I don't realize this,
Speaker 1: but I've got to go to the podcast. I've got
Speaker 1: to come here right and I know I can't mess around.
Speaker 1: And I hadn't heard this turkey gobble. And I just
Speaker 1: figured with those jakes coming in three times, that they
Speaker 1: if that gobbler was associated with these jakes, that he
Speaker 1: would have druke. He would have come in by now
Speaker 1: do you agree with me, Dad, Well, in desperation, I
Speaker 1: just cut real hard like i'd been soft yelping, because
Speaker 1: I knew these turkeys didn't want to gobble. They weren't
Speaker 1: being vocal, so I just and it worked for the Jakes,
Speaker 1: but this time I just hammered it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was yelping on my prime cuts. Call big
Speaker 1: gobble just out of sight, right in front of me,
Speaker 1: right the direction that I thought this gobbler should be
Speaker 1: like seventy five yards away, and I go, oh, dang,
Speaker 1: he is here. I hunker down and I wait and
Speaker 1: wait ten fifteen minutes.
Speaker 7: No, turkey, you didn't call anymore after that, No, because I.
Speaker 1: Mean I cut at him and he he hammered, and
Speaker 1: I thought, well, he's going to come in. Well, I've
Speaker 1: seen these jakes now three times, and this is like
Speaker 1: forty minutes after I originally saw the gobbler, and I
Speaker 1: pull a bear nukem and what we've labeled the chaos cackle. Yep,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's the reason that I killed this turkey.
Speaker 1: And the only reason I knew to do it was
Speaker 1: because Bear told me he did it the other day.
Speaker 1: And it made a turkey gobble. I had to leave
Speaker 1: to come to this podcast, so I took my hat
Speaker 1: off and I started doing some fighting purs on this,
Speaker 1: on this, I'm too excited. I'm too excited. I started
Speaker 1: doing loud purs and I took my hat and started slapping,
Speaker 1: my clapping my knee, started kicking the leaves, chaos cat
Speaker 1: kicking the leaves, and then just cut his heart. Just
Speaker 1: chaos cackle for probably a minute.
Speaker 7: Wow, he gobbles, he's gonna go break up a catfight,
Speaker 7: and I just.
Speaker 1: Lock in, and I mean, I've given everything I got.
Speaker 1: There's nothing left, there's no more tricks in the bag,
Speaker 1: and I'll be dad gun. Probably three minutes after I
Speaker 1: did that, I see two heads coming.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: It's the Jakes here they come back fourth time, just
Speaker 1: but ten yards behind the Jakes. There was a third head. Oh,
Speaker 1: and he was out just a few yards back past him,
Speaker 1: and I see his beard flopping and he gets into
Speaker 1: about twenty five yards and I had my gun pointed
Speaker 1: like this and I just raised up like this, and
Speaker 1: he saw me lift his head, got him eleven him.
Speaker 1: It was like eleven o two.
Speaker 5: Really, that's a great story.
Speaker 1: Chaos cackle multiple times multiple times. Yeah, I called one
Speaker 1: in Tennessee last year.
Speaker 8: I called one. How's the first time I ever did it?
Speaker 8: And I was on this bird for seven hours listening
Speaker 8: to him gobble following him. But he's with a hen
Speaker 8: and uh. The only position I could get in on
Speaker 8: him was like straight down a hill, and he was
Speaker 8: up on top of the hill for more than an hour.
Speaker 1: And after a while, I was.
Speaker 8: Like, well, I'll just try the old chaos cackle, and
Speaker 8: I beat the leaves and cut real hard and just
Speaker 8: made it sound like there was chaos going on down there.
Speaker 8: And exactly three minutes later, I see a head coming
Speaker 8: down and he comes into twenty five yards.
Speaker 1: It worked pretty cool, it worked. I was not expecting
Speaker 1: to kill a turkey. It was a terrible morning to
Speaker 1: kill a turkey. But so that's why I'm wearing this camo.
Speaker 1: And he had a little over ten inch beard.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we had a big, big turkey out in
Speaker 1: week River killed one bear. I was with Bear when
Speaker 1: he killed one here in Arkansas.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: It was pretty incredible.
Speaker 4: I'm going to kill one tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Josh is going to Missouri tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: And understand bears locating some of these birds.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm used to you tell your kids, now, if
Speaker 6: you go down here and take a left right over there,
Speaker 6: you kill a bird.
Speaker 5: Now your kids still new where to go.
Speaker 1: That's right. Put me on all these turkeys, yep, you're
Speaker 1: gonna learn. You put your old dad on turkey, turkey.
Speaker 1: When I go back in there, he's gonna think twice.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 6: Bear?
Speaker 1: I feel great, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean, if there's turkeys, then you might as well
Speaker 8: kill them. I feel like whenever you're hunting as a group,
Speaker 8: it's like less about who kills the turkey, it's more
Speaker 8: about just killing the turkey.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: That's good when kills the turkey. I mean, I kill
Speaker 1: the turkey. And I learned that from Gary Newcomb. He
Speaker 1: was very that way with me. I always felt like,
Speaker 1: when I killed the turkey, you were, oh yeah, probably
Speaker 1: more happy than if you killed one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of dads would probably be that way.
Speaker 1: Think about how many turkeys he put me on, yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: And also that River killed one was a big deal
Speaker 2: because River, you guys, came up in that ten year
Speaker 2: that decade of just terrible turkey hunting in Arkansas, It's
Speaker 2: been amazed at how many turkeys have come through our
Speaker 2: you know, a crossed our threshold this year because I'm
Speaker 2: so used to turkey hunting in Arkansas being terrible and
Speaker 2: no one bringing anything home. And River and our kids
Speaker 2: and the spilmmakers Josh's kids would go together to hunting.
Speaker 2: It was always a different person's turn. And there were
Speaker 2: four of them in like within three years of each other.
Speaker 2: And so it went oldest, you know, and and Willow
Speaker 2: got one, David got one or missed missed one. River
Speaker 2: did a lot of walking and no turkey hunton and
Speaker 2: then it kind of skipped over her and went to
Speaker 2: the next group of one, and so we really owed
Speaker 2: it to River to get one. I mean she really,
Speaker 2: she's really put in the work, really seriously over the years.
Speaker 2: She's been on all those uns. She was on all
Speaker 2: those So finally River and Clay River.
Speaker 1: I said it the other day, but River is really
Speaker 1: like a top shelf hunting partner.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I would pick her snacks. No, she doesn't plan like
Speaker 1: you do. You bring snacks, but her feet are quieter
Speaker 1: than yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's she's the.
Speaker 1: Only beef I have with job.
Speaker 4: I fel too heavy.
Speaker 1: River doesn't get tired. Yeah, she's got a great as
Speaker 1: We'll just walk for days. And she wears a five
Speaker 1: and a half shoe. Juju, small feet. It's good for turkey.
Speaker 8: You feel at filled your duties as a father now
Speaker 8: that all your kids are I have killed turkeys, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty much done living pretty good lives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, onto the grandkids.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Well now we know what the next cooking with mom
Speaker 3: is gonna be.
Speaker 1: That's right, that is actually right.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna have some turkey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had I mean, we have had a lot
Speaker 2: of people over the last couple of weeks. It's been
Speaker 2: turkey turkey parties every night, and it's actually making me think.
Speaker 2: One night River had a bunch of riun's over for
Speaker 2: Clay to cook turkey, to fry turkey for them, and
Speaker 2: then one night Bear had a big turkey party, and
Speaker 2: I thought, man, you know, all these kids are kind
Speaker 2: of in the process of moving out. Chipp will graduate
Speaker 2: this year, and I thought, it's going to be really
Speaker 2: sad when everybody moves out. But I think we'll still
Speaker 2: have the biggest comeback. We'll have the biggest kitchen and
Speaker 2: maybe they can still parties. Yeah, I'm extending an offer
Speaker 2: to continue Turkey parties at our house because it was
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. And then I went
Speaker 2: to bed and Bear cleaned up, which was the best
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 3: The good Boy.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of housekeeping things we've got to talk
Speaker 1: about here. I want to bring attention to the first
Speaker 1: Light Fieldwear line. Fieldwear line is just like every day
Speaker 1: working clothes. Bear's wearing a pair of those pants. So
Speaker 1: check out the first Light Fildwear. It's it's it's like
Speaker 1: a really cool like every day wear work here and
Speaker 1: really the stuff we've been wearing for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really like it. Number two. If you haven't seen
Speaker 1: Baron Eyes film called Southeast Alaska boat based Bear on
Speaker 1: Meat Eater's YouTube channel, go check it out.
Speaker 4: It's a great film, it is.
Speaker 7: I really enjoyed that one, action packed The scenery is amazing.
Speaker 7: Get to see things you don't normally see, like whale skeletons.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's pretty.
Speaker 1: That was one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Whale skeleton. I would have given a lot to have
Speaker 1: brought one of those rib bones home, no doubt, taller
Speaker 1: than me, as big as a fence post. And that vertebrae,
Speaker 1: how cool would that be hanging in here? Very very cool,
Speaker 1: the vertebrae or the rib bone, either one. Have the
Speaker 1: rib bone hanging from the ceiling. We could do pull
Speaker 1: ups on it. If we can do pull ups. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was an incredible adventure. Southeast Alaska is
Speaker 1: just so cool. And then thirdly, Bear has a film
Speaker 1: coming out in mid May, and we're tramping you out
Speaker 1: spring Bear. So Bear went to Montana last year and
Speaker 1: killed a bear Spoiledeah.
Speaker 8: Actually I hunted twenty days straight bear hunting, with one
Speaker 8: break in between. One day in between. We were in Alaska,
Speaker 8: came back home for one day, and then went.
Speaker 1: Went to Montana. Yeah, it was right after that was
Speaker 1: not yeah wow, so and it was that's a tough hunt.
Speaker 1: It's it took me several years to get one. So
Speaker 1: you'll be able to see that, which is really cool.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 1: I I'm the Bear Book is We're in the final
Speaker 1: edits of the Bear Book. It's going to be released
Speaker 1: next spring.
Speaker 2: Let's go yep.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about.
Speaker 2: It, very exciting.
Speaker 1: So those are all the housekeeping issues I So I've
Speaker 1: got Juju and popol here known to our kids as
Speaker 1: that this appis was really interesting, Yeah, because a lot
Speaker 1: of history there. I didn't know about Maria day Campa.
Speaker 1: Did you guys know about Maria deay Caampa?
Speaker 3: About two weeks before y'all started talking about it, someone
Speaker 3: put that on Facebook and that's the first I had
Speaker 3: ever heard. Wow, And everybody I talked to had never
Speaker 3: heard of it.
Speaker 1: Isn't that something? Now? How did you hear about it?
Speaker 4: Josh?
Speaker 7: So, my brother in law was talking to a guy
Speaker 7: and he sent me the article and when I looked
Speaker 7: at it, I was like, this is made up, Like
Speaker 7: this is AI. And so I started researching it and
Speaker 7: realized it was not. I sent it to you and
Speaker 7: the very first thing you texted back was this is
Speaker 7: AI And I was like, actually, it's not. And I
Speaker 7: was shocked that you had never heard of it. And
Speaker 7: I reached out to Gary and he was like, I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know anything about that, and uh, yeah, I
Speaker 7: was surprised because it, I mean, such an unbelievable story.
Speaker 7: You'd think it would be just common knowledge. Everybody, like
Speaker 7: everybody would have would have known about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A polar bear was hanging out in the woods. I
Speaker 2: actually my great aunt. She knows all the history. And
Speaker 2: I texted her and I said, have you ever heard
Speaker 2: this story? And she had never heard it. And she
Speaker 2: would have been growing up. I mean, she actually would
Speaker 2: have been.
Speaker 5: How old is she that age?
Speaker 1: Gosh, in her seventies, no, eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's my dad's aunt. Okay, so she's probably
Speaker 2: close to ninety.
Speaker 4: So she's like like Harold Coogan's age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's she's pretty energetic. She keeps all the
Speaker 2: all the news. I mean, I take the kids over
Speaker 2: to her house once a year so that we can
Speaker 2: look at the newspapers. I mean, and she I texted her,
Speaker 2: I said, have you ever heard about this story? And
Speaker 2: she said she had not.
Speaker 1: Really, that was what puzzled me most, is that in
Speaker 1: this small town. But that is also why kind of
Speaker 1: what the point of telling these stories was was that
Speaker 1: it puzzled me most that in this small town, I
Speaker 1: had never heard about that grave. I mean, it's been
Speaker 1: there since nineteen fifty one. And it was reported in
Speaker 1: one of the big news outlets that this is the
Speaker 1: only grave in America that says killed by circus lion,
Speaker 1: that says that phrase, which it you know, it seems legit, right,
Speaker 1: And but I think, do you guys have any ideas
Speaker 1: why I have an idea? Do you have an idea
Speaker 1: why no one from Mina few people from this small
Speaker 1: town in Arkansas would know about this bizarre story, any
Speaker 1: any any thoughts?
Speaker 8: I mean, maybe just because they were passing through. Yeah,
Speaker 8: no one, No one knew them. That's when when did y'all.
Speaker 1: Move to Mina.
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty four, So it.
Speaker 8: Happened like thirty years before y'all moved there. It still
Speaker 8: seems like something that people will be talking about thirty
Speaker 8: years later.
Speaker 1: Well, people were there, yeah, I mean like Harold Coogan
Speaker 1: remembers going to that circus.
Speaker 4: But the night before that accident happened.
Speaker 1: Right, And then another one of my friends that I
Speaker 1: went to high school with said that his dad went
Speaker 1: to that circus.
Speaker 3: This may seem crazy, but I wasn't even born when
Speaker 3: that happened. Yeah, I was born in fifty one. Wouldn't
Speaker 3: that what?
Speaker 4: No, it happened.
Speaker 1: I was born in fifty two.
Speaker 3: I was born in fifty two, fifty two, but she
Speaker 3: was died in fifty one as well.
Speaker 1: Meant to say, yeah, yeah, so you would have to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, now, Harold Coogan Todd So Todd Coogan was
Speaker 1: our main guest, yeap, his father, and he was introduced
Speaker 1: on the podcast as kind of the historian of me,
Speaker 1: a really well respected guy, and we tried to get
Speaker 1: him on the podcast, but it just didn't work out.
Speaker 1: Harold Coogan's eighty eight, so he was born in thirty
Speaker 1: eight probably.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I was hatched out in forty eight. Forty
Speaker 6: eight and I'm seventy eight.
Speaker 1: But you didn't grow up in me. No, No, grew
Speaker 1: up in Hot Springs.
Speaker 6: Right, and they would I do have something to say
Speaker 6: about Hot Springs. You made it sound like we just
Speaker 6: got us a hot rod and this horrible town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of the way it was.
Speaker 6: Well, I think up uh, Hot Springs is a great
Speaker 6: place to raise kids there, there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 6: But we had a job opportunity in a small town
Speaker 6: and I thought, man, this is perfect, nice, quiet place
Speaker 6: to raise kids. And then we get over here and
Speaker 6: find out about Pete and the temple.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we probably.
Speaker 1: I think my version of the story is like a
Speaker 1: dial like it needs to be dialed back a little.
Speaker 5: Bit about about the reason we came to me.
Speaker 6: No, no, I mean it wasn't like Hot Springs, and
Speaker 6: so I was raising Springs.
Speaker 1: I vividly remember you telling me you didn't want us,
Speaker 1: you didn't want to raise us in Hot Springs.
Speaker 2: Well, this is a bat pr but that's.
Speaker 6: Something I might have said that, but but but really
Speaker 6: the case was, I had an opportunity to go to
Speaker 6: a small town, right right, and I thought, okay, well,
Speaker 6: let's be even better.
Speaker 1: You're making lemonade out of out of lemons.
Speaker 6: I don't know about that, but I knew I'm probably
Speaker 6: going to have dirtball kids, and I needed to get
Speaker 6: them down where the town was a little bit more calm.
Speaker 1: Okay, well the record, that's the way it was portrayed
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 6: All my family was raised in Hot Springs. So they're
Speaker 6: all mad, everybody. They won't even talk to me.
Speaker 1: Now probably now, probably, I think, but I think that's
Speaker 1: the way it was. But I think there's something to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, and Hot Spring's funny that we think Hot
Speaker 1: Springs is a big town. Hot Springs has like thirty
Speaker 1: thousand people, So for much of America, Hot Springs would
Speaker 1: be a very small town, But in general Americans typically
Speaker 1: think a small town like people want to move out
Speaker 1: of the city to go raise their kids in a
Speaker 1: small town. Some some people, not all people. But that's
Speaker 1: kind of the mind frame. Well that's the.
Speaker 2: Idealistic version, and in reality, people are migrating to urban
Speaker 2: areas at an alarmingly fast rate. And I mean that's
Speaker 2: like the actual demographic truth is that people are actually
Speaker 2: migrating to urban area then small Yeah, that's but I
Speaker 2: think people idealize and there's kind of this not a
Speaker 2: nostalgic feel for small towns. Yes, and there's a little
Speaker 2: there's a there's there's a fad right now, and honestly,
Speaker 2: there's always been a fad. Like if you look where
Speaker 2: we live, there's a bunch of people who were part
Speaker 2: of the back to Earth movement in the seventies and
Speaker 2: they all moved out. It's the same same thing as
Speaker 2: as what you see on Instagram now where people want
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: So would you dispute what I said that, like for
Speaker 1: setting the context, like you would think this is a
Speaker 1: safe place.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't dispute what you said that As far as that,
Speaker 2: I do think that sometimes people think that people Yeah,
Speaker 2: people do think that, I don't necessarily think it's true, right.
Speaker 1: Well, and that was the point, is that, you know,
Speaker 1: you really can't like geographically protect your family from the
Speaker 1: things that can happen in the world, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean there's country del't unless you're moving away from Hot Springs. Kidd,
Speaker 1: we love Hot Springs. We love.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: Going back to the story, Harold Googan was fourteen years
Speaker 3: old when that happened. Yeah, he was at the circus
Speaker 3: that first night. They said, yes, yes, that was it. Well,
Speaker 3: and I think the answer is probably pretty obvious. Why no,
Speaker 3: very few people from Enam would know this or would
Speaker 3: have passed this story on is that she had no
Speaker 3: connections there. You know, she was born in Mexico City.
Speaker 3: This little girl was one of thirteen children. Her parents were.
Speaker 1: High tight rope walkers and.
Speaker 2: In the Catholic church. I think that that your your
Speaker 2: historian alluded to it. She said, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: Catholic church in Mina that took care and she said,
Speaker 2: and that has its own historical significance. And it does
Speaker 2: like that. Uh, there there weren't a ton of and
Speaker 2: in general in Arkansas, there aren't. We don't have a
Speaker 2: huge Catholic population. You know, if you if you go
Speaker 2: like if you went to the northeast or if you
Speaker 2: went to you know, to the west of us, there's
Speaker 2: not there's not a lot. And so I think that
Speaker 2: that is another another piece of it because I think
Speaker 2: that and I actually wonder if they're the ones that
Speaker 2: are putting the flowers on the grave, and if there's
Speaker 2: like some mission for them to take care of that grave.
Speaker 2: I was curious about that. Who is putting the flowers
Speaker 2: on the grave?
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 7: I talked to the Melanie, the lady that was on
Speaker 7: the guests there, and she said she's she goes by
Speaker 7: there semi semi regularly, and she said there's always something
Speaker 7: kind of new on there that that someone has brought
Speaker 7: of the flowers or some kind of a little trinket
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 4: So somebody still Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: There was nurse flowers there when I went there, but
Speaker 1: there were flowers on all the graves. Maybe there have
Speaker 1: been decoration recently or something.
Speaker 2: Man I used to play in that cemetery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was just too much. I wanted to
Speaker 1: tell the story, but Misty's grandmother lives lived well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get too too deep. But let's let's
Speaker 1: wait for that. Let's wait for that. We're going to
Speaker 1: come back to that, Okay, Maria day Campa, because we
Speaker 1: got to talk about Pete, to talk about your grandma's house.
Speaker 1: Maria day Campa. I felt like, if anything, we cast
Speaker 1: a little bit too much shade on the potential that
Speaker 1: the parents didn't go to the funeral.
Speaker 2: I thought you did too. That was my takeaway when
Speaker 2: I listened to it. I kind of was like, man,
Speaker 2: this is this is unfair to these people.
Speaker 1: I thought it was too And it's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: you build something, you say something, and then you know,
Speaker 1: if I had a six months to review some of these,
Speaker 1: I'd probably change it. But we don't have any hard
Speaker 1: evidence they didn't come. We just don't. But you wouldn't
Speaker 1: any write out the parents. You wouldn't spec out the
Speaker 1: parents were at the funeral.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: There's the idea was that the the circus did leave
Speaker 1: the next day, right, and these people were part of
Speaker 1: the circus.
Speaker 7: But there were there were the pall bearers were listed
Speaker 7: in the news article, and they were they were clearly
Speaker 7: not Mina locals.
Speaker 4: It was like a it was like a.
Speaker 7: Somebody that had a Indian sounding name, like from India,
Speaker 7: and there was a Decampa, and there was a Decampa
Speaker 7: that was one of the pall bearers too, So they
Speaker 7: definitely would have been would have been circus family members,
Speaker 7: you know, so, and I suspect I suspect if they
Speaker 7: were there, surely the parents would have been.
Speaker 2: There well, even if they weren't there, even if the
Speaker 2: pall bearers were listed as an honorary thing. I think
Speaker 2: it's not fair in that time period, in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: a family that's making their living and feeding their the
Speaker 2: other thirteen kids off of showing up at the next town.
Speaker 2: I think that's the sad part about this is that
Speaker 2: a lot of times when you read stories about pioneers,
Speaker 2: you tend to think, well, they didn't probably love their
Speaker 2: kids as much, and so it was probably easier for
Speaker 2: them to just lose so many. And I've actually heard
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, in history classes people talking about, well,
Speaker 2: people had so many kids and death was more common
Speaker 2: back then, and so but their mother's just the same.
Speaker 2: You know, these are mothers and fathers and it hurts,
Speaker 2: but you also have these responsibilities. And I'm thinking, if
Speaker 2: you're a circus runner, like, if that's the thing you
Speaker 2: do for a living, it's pretty important that you show
Speaker 2: up for the circus and that you bring it.
Speaker 1: These people would have been completely out of pocket. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: if this happened today, maybe they would have been support
Speaker 1: systems where it's like, hey, why don't y'all take off
Speaker 1: for a few months, you know, and.
Speaker 5: Go and they witness child.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: These people were from Mexico, migrating fifty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they it wasn't that they didn't care. It's
Speaker 2: that they they you didn't You didn't have a choice.
Speaker 2: It was just you. You had to go the next stop.
Speaker 2: And I felt bad for them thinking about them being
Speaker 2: tightrope walkers and having to walk the rope the next
Speaker 2: night after their daughter got I mean, really that's a
Speaker 2: sad thought to me, and having to be a performer
Speaker 2: in the worst of circumstances. I mean, I really felt
Speaker 2: bad for them. And and so even if they weren't there,
Speaker 2: even if even if they weren't able to actually be
Speaker 2: there and they had to that to me is actually worse.
Speaker 2: Like they didn't get a second to grief. They had
Speaker 2: to go to the next stop. And that doesn't make
Speaker 2: them bad people. That makes them responsible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and in difficult circumstances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, terrible circumstances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just about that section.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think about it a whole lot, but
Speaker 3: you know, you think about her dying and then leaving
Speaker 3: the next day that there was probably some of them
Speaker 3: that stayed behind for the little girl. So I'm with Missy.
Speaker 3: I think I think either way they shouldn't be condemned
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we stated this, but I read this in
Speaker 1: more detail. The very next day there was a court
Speaker 1: case where they a judge and Mina tried to decide
Speaker 1: whether they were liable for negligent homicide. And in one day,
Speaker 1: I guess the guy the people just came and told
Speaker 1: him what happened. The judge was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: not negligent homicide, and just everything was okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well I was just going to say it just for
Speaker 1: if you, if you haven't listened the they had the
Speaker 1: lion on a chain bound to like a cart or something.
Speaker 4: A truck, is what I read.
Speaker 1: I feel like, that's crazy. Well it probably was a
Speaker 1: tame line. Well, its name was Tame.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, the name of the line Matame. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, so this is a line that people are
Speaker 1: like leading around and probably they're wrestling with it in
Speaker 1: a cage or something, and so probably when it saw
Speaker 1: this lone little girl, assumed she was alone. Just in
Speaker 1: that moment, it just trips something.
Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, I mean I could see, like just
Speaker 8: being around animals a lot, whenever they kind of pick
Speaker 8: up on something like like whenever you're fishing for small mouth,
Speaker 8: Like you could be like Bob and your streamer right
Speaker 8: in front of its face all day long. But the
Speaker 8: second you like twitch, it weird and it like looks
Speaker 8: like a something weak. It just like triggers something in
Speaker 8: that fish's.
Speaker 5: Mind and it goes for it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's pretty easy to see how that could
Speaker 8: happen with a wild animal and with a child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about vulnerability that a predator picks up on.
Speaker 2: Taking it right back to those turkeys that we used
Speaker 2: to have, yep, I mean, and I think we actually
Speaker 2: told the story on the last render, But we had
Speaker 2: a pair of turkeys, Albuquerque and Tom who were they
Speaker 2: picked up on vulnerability and they picked on little kids,
Speaker 2: grandma's and men with major uh disabilities, uh huh, and
Speaker 2: they went after them. They they picked up on that
Speaker 2: whatever it was, and they'd go attack them. And it
Speaker 2: was very specific. It wasn't everyone, it wasn't you know.
Speaker 2: They never picked on an able bodied man, but boy,
Speaker 2: they they could pick up on weakness and they were
Speaker 2: just monsters. And that's the way they lost their lives
Speaker 2: because they were picking on a grandma with a cast on.
Speaker 1: Her arm, and my neighbors shot them.
Speaker 2: And they got themselves a wild turkey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what'd you think about that whole section?
Speaker 8: Bear?
Speaker 1: Well, just like what stood out to you? You never knew
Speaker 1: that story. Yeah, the thing, that's what happened to your bill,
Speaker 1: the bill of your hat over by something.
Speaker 2: Oh, Bear's cool. This is how the cool kids wear it.
Speaker 1: Well, like it's tilted up Clay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clay wants everybody to like bend on them like
Speaker 2: we did the night.
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything to it how it came.
Speaker 8: So what I was thinking whenever I was listening to
Speaker 8: this section about the circus animals getting loose the next day.
Speaker 1: Yeah was crazy. That seems like something that people would
Speaker 1: talk about forever for everyone.
Speaker 8: I was thinking, like, if that happened right here, every
Speaker 8: single person in this entire town would be out with
Speaker 8: their gun hoping to kill one of the you know,
Speaker 8: like feeling like they were defending the.
Speaker 1: Town by killing the exotic animals.
Speaker 5: Right right.
Speaker 8: It would probably be chaos for the law enforcement. What
Speaker 8: would probably be more dangerous would be everybody out there
Speaker 8: with their guns uncontrolled, just thinking, Okay, there's a polar
Speaker 8: bear out here.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine a gorilla being loose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that this part of the story. If it wasn't
Speaker 1: documented in New York Times and Life Magazine, Life Magazine,
Speaker 1: I would just not believe it.
Speaker 7: The owner of the circus his name was Ben Davenport,
Speaker 7: and I don't know if it would have created as
Speaker 7: much chaos had he not said he said, the monkeys
Speaker 7: are harmless, the black bears are tame, but the leopards
Speaker 7: and the polar bear are dangerous.
Speaker 4: Those were his words.
Speaker 7: So, I mean, you've got the night before a lion
Speaker 7: killing a little girl, and then you have the owner
Speaker 7: of the circus saying these animals are dangerous that we
Speaker 7: just loosed into the National Forest.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: I also can't believe they didn't put the line down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you that.
Speaker 8: If today, if a dog bites somebody, yeah, like people
Speaker 8: will put him down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the lion killed the little girl.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised they didn't shoot the lion when he had
Speaker 3: the little girl. Yeah, the sheriff was there, he should
Speaker 3: have shot. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe the little girl was
Speaker 3: would have been hurt worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, nineteen fifty on one might as well have
Speaker 1: been like a thousand years ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: How do y'all feel about that?
Speaker 1: No, just in terms of the way people taught about
Speaker 1: animal welfare and stuff. I mean, right, just just.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean they were making a living with these animals.
Speaker 6: So you know, I've got a living with Like I
Speaker 6: got three tractors working. One tractor does something stupid, well
Speaker 6: I got to shoot it. I mean, it's not smart.
Speaker 5: I won't keep I'll repair it and keep it.
Speaker 6: So they figured to just take that that tiger and
Speaker 6: put it in that line and put it in a
Speaker 6: cage and not not have it on a chain anymore,
Speaker 6: keep making money off of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I bet it was a pretty expensive mistake. Well,
Speaker 8: just the critter is getting loose. I mean, think about
Speaker 8: how much it would cost to get monkeys and leopards
Speaker 8: and polar bears. I mean, yeah, they probably lost so
Speaker 8: much money to Billy Joe Valentine.
Speaker 1: Shoot that polar bear. Now I thought it was math
Speaker 1: Singleton Math Singleton. Oh well that was a typo.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's short from Matthew.
Speaker 1: Didn't you say? Who was Billy Joe Valentine?
Speaker 5: He eight?
Speaker 1: He was quoted saying it was terrible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you would you would disagree with that.
Speaker 1: The polar bear that I was some of the best.
Speaker 1: I'm truly was some of the best meat. Really, I
Speaker 1: can remember that.
Speaker 4: So you got to eat someone earlier narcic.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 2: It made me wonder about, you know, seeing a polar
Speaker 2: bear in an ante shop in Arkansas. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it made me wonder if perhaps that polar not come
Speaker 2: from the Arctic, but it.
Speaker 4: Came from Polar County.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If this is a conte, It's possible that I owned
Speaker 1: the bear, wouldn't it be?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 4: What if you could?
Speaker 1: This is like Collin Jake's four times and the fourth
Speaker 1: time they bring the I'm the like, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of circular.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't told people about the polar bear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can we can move along.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I tried not to.
Speaker 1: Have a polar bear. But it's not I didn't kill
Speaker 1: the polar I have a polar bear that's over one
Speaker 1: hundred years old, A polar bear rug that's that's Presidy's
Speaker 1: that's over one hundred years old, that legally purchased here
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, which yeah, yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was crazy.
Speaker 7: I think it's you know, there were there were other
Speaker 7: articles where they tried to, uh try the guys for
Speaker 7: that shot the bears, for posting so.
Speaker 1: One of the bears, and you know, the language people
Speaker 1: used back in those days was so dramatic, and you know,
Speaker 1: they said it surrendered cowardly. You know, it's like, okay.
Speaker 4: A shame on his back.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what's he supposed to be?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 1: I knew I shouldn't have done it when I did
Speaker 1: it then. But three weeks later, five miles away out
Speaker 1: in the mountains over around Pencil Bluff, some old guy
Speaker 1: shoots a bear and well, the Game and Fish he
Speaker 1: did not get in trouble, but there was talk of
Speaker 1: him getting in trouble because that what's so cool is
Speaker 1: that that was right during the time when the Game
Speaker 1: and Fish was considering restocking bears. The first mention of
Speaker 1: restocking bears in Arkansas was in the late nineteen forties.
Speaker 1: By the time you were born, they started talking about
Speaker 1: it and then but it wasn't until nineteen fifty eight
Speaker 1: that they really started in earnest restocking. But they actually
Speaker 1: restocked some bears in the early fifties, like three or
Speaker 1: four that got killed. Two Oh really, yes, that got
Speaker 1: got killed. And so when this guy killed the circus bear,
Speaker 1: people were like, well, was it the circus bear or
Speaker 1: was that a.
Speaker 7: Wh I just picture the circus bear probably had a
Speaker 7: bow tie on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's tell.
Speaker 2: Or when when they said surrendered cowardly. It kind of
Speaker 2: makes me think of our dogs whenever they do something
Speaker 2: like when they run in the house and we say, hey,
Speaker 2: get out of here, and they you know, And that's
Speaker 2: what I visioned the bear doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've tried free freedom and I didn't like it
Speaker 6: home exactly.
Speaker 1: Well, so and leopards, I don't forget leopards. Well, okay, leopards,
Speaker 1: And let's talk about black panthers. I have heard many
Speaker 1: times people talking about black panthers and they say, well,
Speaker 1: there was a circus wreck here years ago, not in
Speaker 1: Mina like down in Falc. So in Falc, Arkansas, there
Speaker 1: is supposed Falc Monster, which is a gorilla like animal
Speaker 1: that there's folklore about the Falc Monster. There's a movie
Speaker 1: made in the seventies called Falc Monster. Well, the order
Speaker 1: the Falc Monster supposedly was that there was a train
Speaker 1: wreck that had circus animals and some gorillas got loose
Speaker 1: and somehow they turned into the Falc Monster. Okay, and
Speaker 1: in different parts of the country you hear about I've
Speaker 1: heard it before that the origin of black panthers came
Speaker 1: from circus wrecks. I didn't realize that that was so
Speaker 1: common in my hometown. There was a circus wreck and
Speaker 1: leopards got loose.
Speaker 7: I mean, I feel like that's kind of ironic. I
Speaker 7: feel like that just straight up confirms the theory.
Speaker 1: Well, what I also should have put on this episode,
Speaker 1: but it was I didn't want to make light of
Speaker 1: the ending when we talk about Pete in his life.
Speaker 1: But Melanie, the lady that you interviewed, Josh, that the
Speaker 1: lady that talked about Marie ta Kampa. Josh asked her,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a black panther? And she was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and she told a very detailed story hear
Speaker 1: and believable story about seeing a black panther over in
Speaker 1: the washtiles and Oklahoma.
Speaker 8: M So, anyway, my buddy Kyle Plunkett told me a
Speaker 8: story about seeing a black panther.
Speaker 1: The good Kyle from those ar podcasts.
Speaker 8: Sure enough, he said that they were out that his
Speaker 8: little cousin thought he saw one, and so they went
Speaker 8: out there as a joke to like go look for
Speaker 8: it at night, and he says they saw deer, they
Speaker 8: saw the panther confirmation bias, and then they see deer
Speaker 8: bones up in the tree, spying deer spine hanging out
Speaker 8: of the tree.
Speaker 1: And I don't know about it being a black panther, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, did Kyle actually think it
Speaker 1: was a black panther?
Speaker 8: He he thought it was a mountain lion at least,
Speaker 8: And I mean, who's to say, but it wasn't night.
Speaker 1: I feel like crazy things happen at night.
Speaker 4: Aren't all panthers black at night?
Speaker 1: Yep? Yeah? Man, have you ever seen a black panther?
Speaker 3: No, I've never seen a black panther.
Speaker 1: Dad, now me, Mo used to.
Speaker 3: Talk about him.
Speaker 1: Mem all talked about him.
Speaker 3: Yes, she would just talk about hearing them screaming, and
Speaker 3: her mother would tell them that was some black panther
Speaker 3: screaming in the night. They lived way out in the
Speaker 3: country in Oklahoma. It's still country out there. There's no
Speaker 3: houses out there.
Speaker 1: So mem A heard black panthers.
Speaker 3: That's what her mama told her.
Speaker 1: Well they saw.
Speaker 4: Me, mos, don't lie, that's right. Making a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, black panthers. Now, Dad, going back to the very
Speaker 1: origins of Bear Grease. In the first episode of Bear
Speaker 1: Grease over five years ago, Dad didn't know there was
Speaker 1: a recorder going. He would have said it if he was,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of funny because he didn't know
Speaker 1: I was recording, and I was like, said something panthers,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, black panthers. And then you
Speaker 1: actually saw a regular one, which I believe you a
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Yeah, you you legitimately saw. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: down where we deer hunted. I can tell you exact
Speaker 1: spot it was. I mean, yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But when Ali and Olie.
Speaker 6: And bucksnort Arkansas, we would go to their house, and
Speaker 6: I mean it was a treat when you were a
Speaker 6: little kid, little kid, I mean dog trot, no pain
Speaker 6: on the wall, you know, just old house trees hanging
Speaker 6: over the road. Uh, doodle bugs everywhere, you know, you'd
Speaker 6: hear a panther call casey, I'm not, you know, it's
Speaker 6: been so long. I can't swear that I heard them,
Speaker 6: but I think I did, and I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 6: were black.
Speaker 8: Them.
Speaker 5: My story, it's weaker as time goes on.
Speaker 1: The greatest story about a panther of all time is
Speaker 1: we're in uh, we're at bear camp three years ago.
Speaker 1: It's two years ago with who the man who is
Speaker 1: now coordinator black bear coordinator for biologists for the Arkansas
Speaker 1: Game and Fish, Spencer Daniels. He would tell the story.
Speaker 1: Is he the large carnival coordinator. I'm not sure his
Speaker 1: exact title, but he is the head honcho of the
Speaker 1: bears in Arkansas. And it was just he was bear
Speaker 1: hunting with us. It was actually his first time to
Speaker 1: bear hunt, yep.
Speaker 4: And he was visiting from Mississippi at the time.
Speaker 1: Yes, And he was actually just a grad student time.
Speaker 1: And he comes back to camp after day one of
Speaker 1: bear hunting with us, and Spencer's pretty pretty mild mannered,
Speaker 1: pretty quiet, straight straight lace, doesn't you know, just doesn't realize.
Speaker 4: Everything you want a bear coordinator to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and he asked Brent. He said, y'all have
Speaker 1: mountain lions around here. And Brent just was like, that's
Speaker 1: a weird question, I mean, and Brent gave him an answer,
Speaker 1: it's possible. But and now, Brent, of all people, Brent
Speaker 1: has seen too.
Speaker 6: Okay, Brent, you know it's like, well, yeah, allegedly allegedly.
Speaker 1: In and in Spencer. The story I heard I wasn't
Speaker 1: there yet, but the story I heard Spencer was just
Speaker 1: kind of like huh, okay. And then like a few
Speaker 1: minutes later, Brent's like, why did Yeah, I was there,
Speaker 1: you were there.
Speaker 7: I was there when he said it, and he goes,
Speaker 7: he goes, why do you ask you? Because I just
Speaker 7: saw one back there like he'd seen he'd seen one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he legitimately saw one out there. And uh
Speaker 1: and I believe one hundred percent believe he just said
Speaker 1: Clay had just walked right past my tree stand. He
Speaker 1: said broad daylight. He was like, big tale, and I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a biologist of the game. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: there's they're they're that part of the world gets some
Speaker 1: legitimate sightings up here. No I mean there just hasn't been. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's parts of the state where they just typically don't
Speaker 1: see him, but there are parts of the state where
Speaker 1: they do. So black panthers.
Speaker 3: So he saw a black panther or a mountain lion,
Speaker 3: a mountain a mountain lion.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, but you know black character, I would say
Speaker 6: he is a mountain lion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a melanistic mountain line.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, I mean they're mountain lions at least the ones
Speaker 6: I've seen were.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a good this is a good place
Speaker 1: to uh segue into the second part of the podcast.
Speaker 1: Misty tell us about where your grandma's house was.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we uh, we grew up in Mina or
Speaker 2: South Amina, and on Saturdays, all the grandkids would come
Speaker 2: and hang out. My mom had three sisters and one
Speaker 2: that were there were three sisters and one sister in
Speaker 2: law that all lived in the area, and they would
Speaker 2: come and lock us out of the house and we
Speaker 2: had to stay outside. We'd come to inside, you know, Arkansas,
Speaker 2: summer's parched, and say can we come inside and get
Speaker 2: a drink? Get a drink and go right back outside.
Speaker 2: And that was if they were feeling generous. A lot
Speaker 2: of times it'd be like, no, stay outside, out of
Speaker 2: the creek anyway nearby very I mean as a site
Speaker 2: as a kid, it felt like it was a mile away.
Speaker 2: But Clay took a picture of it when he was there.
Speaker 2: He could see my grandma's house from there. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was just I don't know how far, but it
Speaker 2: was very close. But it felt like as a kid
Speaker 2: because you'd have to go to the backyard around hop
Speaker 2: a fence, you know, and was the cemetery. And when
Speaker 2: we were playing outside as directed by the adults, what
Speaker 2: we were actually doing was just hanging around the cemetery.
Speaker 2: And I always knew about Pete because of that.
Speaker 1: Because Pete's grave is less than one hundred yards from
Speaker 1: Mimi's old house.
Speaker 2: And I just whenever people getting nostalgic about the nineties,
Speaker 2: you know, Bear, they always talk about your generation and
Speaker 2: how great childhood was in the nineties. Just remember, for fun,
Speaker 2: we would play in cemetery.
Speaker 7: So so the original headstone did it say Pete on it?
Speaker 2: You know, I remember hearing him referred in other ways,
Speaker 2: and you've got to remember, honestly, Please don't judge my mom,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't read. I mean when we were out
Speaker 2: there playing, I was not at the age. I was
Speaker 2: not in school yet. We my brothers were just in
Speaker 2: charge as fourth and third graders, and so so I
Speaker 2: don't know. I always heard it referred from everyone in
Speaker 2: the community, in the director.
Speaker 1: So there's there's many versions of this story, and I
Speaker 1: to this day do not know what is true. I
Speaker 1: would have I would have told you one hundred percent
Speaker 1: that his original gravestone said in word pete.
Speaker 2: Oh really, And I would have said the same thing.
Speaker 2: And I would have also said that it was handwritten, okay.
Speaker 2: And I saw the picture of it, I was surprised
Speaker 2: because that's not how I remember.
Speaker 1: It people that are my age. I asked one of
Speaker 1: my good friends and he told me that I was wrong.
Speaker 1: He said it just said pete. And that's what Todd
Speaker 1: Coogan remembered was just pete. But in the pictures, did
Speaker 1: you notice that they there was a small headstone, and
Speaker 1: then there was another headstone like laid on top of
Speaker 1: that headstone that said pete. I think that was actually
Speaker 1: covering up what was formerly there. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: it looks like. Yeah, that's what I think. And then
Speaker 1: in recent years, like I would say, I mean very
Speaker 1: recent years. Someone completely replaced the headstone with a with
Speaker 1: a nice headstone that says the full name Peter Berryman.
Speaker 2: Why did they paint it blue? Don't know that that
Speaker 2: was what puzzle because I can tell you for sure
Speaker 2: it was not blue.
Speaker 7: I mean no, I was there in February and it
Speaker 7: wasn't blue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a leafs are still blue, so they've really
Speaker 6: it's been recent enough.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like Yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: why they had sons painted blue. I mean they didn't
Speaker 1: put dates on it. I mean that was kind of weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't They didn't know when he was born, that
Speaker 1: was part of it. Now they did know when he died.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: What a what a tragic, tragic, horrible.
Speaker 1: Story it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought Todd Coogan did a good job just as
Speaker 1: a historian, Like he didn't bring a lot of like
Speaker 1: he just told the story just he didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: try to, like I mean, it's so hard to tell
Speaker 1: a story like that, you know, one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: five years after it happened, right, And I felt like
Speaker 1: he just gave all the details that we had and
Speaker 1: and didn't try to push it one way or the other,
Speaker 1: like because he said, yeah, Pete was probably mentally unstable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and in his opinion, he said, the people of
Speaker 1: Meana seemed like they tolerated him to some degree. But obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean that didn't last for very long, right, Bear
Speaker 1: What stood out to you inside of that story?
Speaker 8: Well, so there's one part I was kind of confused about.
Speaker 8: It didn't make any sense to me. Why the nine
Speaker 8: year old girl was the one out there fixing the fence.
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's kind of unknown.
Speaker 2: Is that is that that crazy? I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know that that's that crazy. Parents. What year are we
Speaker 2: talking about? Nineteen oh one, nineteen oh one. I think
Speaker 2: that she's just probably the It was just a chore,
Speaker 2: like a chore that no one else wanted to do
Speaker 2: and not super productive.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's part of the story that
Speaker 1: just could be completely false. It never happened. I just think,
Speaker 1: I mean, what actually happened between him and that girl?
Speaker 1: I think that's what no one really knows.
Speaker 4: I agree, I would agree.
Speaker 1: You know, was it who who turned him in for that? Like,
Speaker 1: who's parents of the girl? And did they see it.
Speaker 1: Is it unclear? That's what we don't know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean probably the little girl came back in I mean
Speaker 1: if it happened crying or something and said Pete kicked me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah she was. I think she was taken to
Speaker 4: the doctor or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they said she was. It was critical. But
Speaker 3: did we ever know what the outcome was? She lived?
Speaker 3: Did she I know she must have lived.
Speaker 1: But see that's where and I don't want to jump
Speaker 1: on like a modern bandwagon, but like, if you're trying
Speaker 1: to justify this to the world, you would exaggerate something
Speaker 1: that happened. But at the same time, he may have
Speaker 1: almost killed her.
Speaker 2: And at the same time he's got three three records
Speaker 2: in the I know, you know, I know people like Pete,
Speaker 2: you know, who are pretty sweet, well like how how
Speaker 2: how he was described anyway, who are pretty sweet people
Speaker 2: a little bit a little bit touched, a little bit peculiar,
Speaker 2: you know, but that can I.
Speaker 4: Mean there's an impulsivity about it for.
Speaker 5: Some of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just those other two stories. And of course
Speaker 2: you don't know, you don't know, you don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: But but but people who sometimes just snap and when
Speaker 2: when he was describing the situation and he was reading
Speaker 2: the old news articles. I'm not saying I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it was just about it, but just I know people
Speaker 2: who who snap, who are just a little they're sweet
Speaker 2: and they're good people, and they snap, and you kind
Speaker 2: of want the world to make allowance for that because
Speaker 2: they've got all this other stuff going on. But sometimes
Speaker 2: they snap, and they they do mean things that I
Speaker 2: would imagine nineteen oh one, they weren't as adept at
Speaker 2: responding to that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean there there there was. I mean,
Speaker 7: just from the accounts, there was there was a like
Speaker 7: you said, there was a tolerance or a I mean,
Speaker 7: there must have been something endearing about him that made
Speaker 7: people kind.
Speaker 4: Of, yeah, not ostracize him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so, I was it seems like with
Speaker 1: the stuff he'd got into before, if they had wanted
Speaker 1: to run him out of town or lock him after good,
Speaker 1: they could have done it based upon what we know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was surprised. That was news to me
Speaker 2: that there were When he said was it ninety six
Speaker 2: black people in Mina.
Speaker 1: There was like one hundred and something and then went
Speaker 1: down to.
Speaker 2: Sixteen, down to sixties. I was surprised that was not
Speaker 2: the way Mina was when we when I lived close there.
Speaker 2: I was surprised. I was surprised to learn that those
Speaker 2: were much higher numbers.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Juju, what when you heard that
Speaker 1: story in detail? I mean, I don't know what stood
Speaker 1: out to you.
Speaker 3: I've heard that since we moved to me. Now, you know,
Speaker 3: we've heard off and on, and you know, I just
Speaker 3: thought that he should have they should have let him
Speaker 3: have the trial, and you know, he might not have.
Speaker 3: He might have been in jail for a year or
Speaker 3: maybe less. You know, it's just a shame that it
Speaker 3: had to be that way. But you know, it's just
Speaker 3: one of those stories that you hear. In fact, I
Speaker 3: thought she had died until till you you know, till
Speaker 3: I was listening to Todd, so I had forgotten that
Speaker 3: she lived. I thought he had killed her. So you know,
Speaker 3: that's but it's been so long ago that I've even
Speaker 3: heard that story. No, I haven't heard him may talk
Speaker 3: about that in years.
Speaker 2: And I don't think I ever heard the full version.
Speaker 2: Because I also thought he died as a result of
Speaker 2: a just of a verdict.
Speaker 5: Oh really, I thought that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not know that they broke into That
Speaker 2: was the first time I'd ever heard that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I need say hunging, But I did.
Speaker 2: Did I broke into the prison? And yeah, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: So here's the well, Oh just lost my train of thought,
Speaker 1: just barely. Oh, I feel like the newspapers I thought
Speaker 1: it was. I didn't know where the story was going
Speaker 1: to go. I didn't know the details of the story.
Speaker 1: When Todd Coogan said the people of Mina were outraged
Speaker 1: and raised money to find these guys, I think, And
Speaker 1: I'm from Mina, so I want this town to be
Speaker 1: a good place and have a good reputation. But I
Speaker 1: feel like it's possible that it was. It would be
Speaker 1: easy to kind of say, oh, everybody was everybody was
Speaker 1: mad about this, but they never caught the guys. I
Speaker 1: just feel like they could have caught him, don't you think, dad.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they could have caught him. Uh, but they're
Speaker 6: your uncle, they're your dad, you know. I mean, they
Speaker 6: just let it go under the rug. I did look
Speaker 6: up to three hundred and eighty five dollars the reward
Speaker 6: that they raised.
Speaker 5: For for what like the burial or what?
Speaker 2: No, for the reward money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, okay, And that's the equivalent of almost fifteen
Speaker 6: thousand dollars today, So that tells you it kind of
Speaker 6: supports the idea that the community didn't like this, all
Speaker 6: these people doing stupid stuff. And you know, back then,
Speaker 6: they didn't have a law like every time something really
Speaker 6: crazy happens, our legislators get together and go, Okay, we're
Speaker 6: gonna we're gonna create a law against that, and you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's good, it's worked. They didn't have a lot
Speaker 6: of that stuff back then, so vigilant justice probably prevailed
Speaker 6: a lot more, I know it did back then than
Speaker 6: it would now. So you had a bunch of little
Speaker 6: tough guys around that just love to hang out at
Speaker 6: the coffee shops and go, okay, man, what.
Speaker 5: Are we gonna here's our deal tonight, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And they were they were probably undercover sheriff department
Speaker 6: in a way. You know, I mean, if you get
Speaker 6: out of line, these guys are gonna come get you.
Speaker 6: But probably wasn't real prevalent, but I'm sure a little of.
Speaker 5: That was going on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think I just think they a lot of
Speaker 1: people probably knew who did it, and and it's not
Speaker 1: surprising that their family and people protected them.
Speaker 7: Yeah right, you know, but I think raising that money
Speaker 7: probably made a statement at the very least, yeah, and
Speaker 7: that hey, we're not going to tolerate this. You know,
Speaker 7: this can't go on and and and you know what,
Speaker 7: I mean to at least show some kind of some
Speaker 7: kind of disdain of what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, any thoughts about that, Missy.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 2: I thought it was super interesting too that that was
Speaker 2: his grandpa that came into town that day and said
Speaker 2: there was a big rucke.
Speaker 1: His grandfather owns the diary of a man.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, okay. Yeah. For some reason I interpreted
Speaker 2: that as him saying his grandfather no. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought that was that was very interesting, And I kind
Speaker 2: of wished we had more diaries because I imagine you
Speaker 2: would know a little bit more about what happened if
Speaker 2: you had diaries that if you just had the paper,
Speaker 2: And that's a that's the problem with I was thinking, gosh,
Speaker 2: if the paper ever represented us or our kids, you know,
Speaker 2: if that was the full representation, it would be things
Speaker 2: like they won the spelling bee, you'd think they were
Speaker 2: all a little geniuses or something like you would be
Speaker 2: such excuse, that's not true.
Speaker 7: You know, you know I got to go when I
Speaker 7: was there, I got to go into the uh the
Speaker 7: archives that that Harold too. Yeah, I'd got to go
Speaker 7: in there and see that, and saw an article about
Speaker 7: Pete in there, and uh, it's pretty fascinating just getting
Speaker 7: to see the history in what they you know what
Speaker 7: I mean that the archive newspapers were damaged in the
Speaker 7: pornado and so they had gotten wet, and Harold Coogan
Speaker 7: and a team of folks worked painstakingly to salvage that,
Speaker 7: and so it was neat to just to be able
Speaker 7: to scroll through those papers that were, you know, one
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty years old, to look at that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he said to me to start one time
Speaker 1: it was in daily paper. I mean think about Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do it. But before the internet, before
Speaker 1: we had you know, you know, early news.
Speaker 3: He mentioned the little parts of the paper that would
Speaker 3: tell that So and so went to Hot Springs for
Speaker 3: the first time. That was in the paper when we
Speaker 3: were getting the Meana star. Being like I own mus
Speaker 3: had her cousin come visit and they had fried chicken
Speaker 3: and corn bread.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: I actually have seen those at my great grit and
Speaker 2: I remember my brothers and I laughing at that, like see, yeah,
Speaker 2: that was funny.
Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty four it said it said new residents
Speaker 7: Gary and Judy Newcomb have raced in from Hot Springs
Speaker 7: to the.
Speaker 1: Tracks, the bathhouses, the whiskey stills of the Hot Springs,
Speaker 1: and have come to God's country the mafia, al Capone,
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, hey, I'll have you know. I
Speaker 2: was once on the front page of the Mini Star.
Speaker 2: Oh really for what I was a It's not quite
Speaker 2: a representation of who I am if you were to.
Speaker 3: Look at no Princess Gladys.
Speaker 2: That's right, Juju, that's right.
Speaker 3: I were the baddest Misty was Gladys in the best
Speaker 3: Christmas pageant ever and the Chosen have put out a
Speaker 3: new video of that, Yes, a new show. And I
Speaker 3: actually went to Rudy Timmerman and asked him if they
Speaker 3: had recorded that uh play when Missy was in it,
Speaker 3: but he did he didn't. He didn't know where that
Speaker 3: would be so cool.
Speaker 2: I was, so you would think if you were reading
Speaker 2: the Mini Star that I was a thespian and an
Speaker 2: incredible speller, and I am a good Speller.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, I've got an actual clip from
Speaker 1: the Mina Star in this building right here. You do well,
Speaker 1: it is a big buck I killed down in Howard
Speaker 1: County is Yeah, there's a clip from the Man Star.
Speaker 3: Tyler had a place piece in the Mina Star when
Speaker 3: he talked to Bill Clinton. He had that talk boy
Speaker 3: from home alone, and Bill Clinton talked into the talk
Speaker 3: boy for me and that was that was.
Speaker 1: That was at one time really used the clip on
Speaker 1: Bear Grease. Can't remember the context. I can't either, but
Speaker 1: I told people that there was a never before heard interview.
Speaker 1: It was it was Arkansas image.
Speaker 4: It was the Possum Supper.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because Clinton used to go to the to
Speaker 1: the coon Supper.
Speaker 4: Coon Supper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, not we don't eat possums.
Speaker 4: Were sorry. They do that in Hot Springs, Yeah, that horing.
Speaker 2: Actually they do that in Hatfield, a little bit south
Speaker 2: of Mina.
Speaker 1: Well. So to take this out of the local because
Speaker 1: most people that are listening have never been to this
Speaker 1: part of the world and probably will never come. Why
Speaker 1: this stood out to me was that in this one
Speaker 1: little place that that I grew up, there's all this
Speaker 1: history and I mean this isn't even the half of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, these were just two unique stories that were
Speaker 1: connected because these people were in the same cemetery and
Speaker 1: that that's all that connected them. And there is just
Speaker 1: so much that has happened where you live and and
Speaker 1: what value Sometimes when I tell these stories like Pete,
Speaker 1: like Pete dying the way he did, you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: I think, why am I bringing this back up?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't have a great answer other
Speaker 1: than it it It happened, and there's things to be
Speaker 1: learned from it, and maybe in some way it honors
Speaker 1: Pete for what value that would have. But I mean,
Speaker 1: our our history is so so powerful, even the even
Speaker 1: the bad parts of it. Yeah, And do you all
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 8: I do?
Speaker 7: I think I think it's it's good to tell the
Speaker 7: stories because it it shows where an ungoverned and I
Speaker 7: don't mean governed like having civil government, but I'm talking
Speaker 7: about like an internally governed people. That it shows like
Speaker 7: how dark things can get when people are are internally lawless.
Speaker 7: Like those guys didn't want to subject themselves to the law.
Speaker 7: They wanted to take the law into their own hands,
Speaker 7: and it was dark like it was.
Speaker 4: It was evil.
Speaker 7: What they did was evil, and without a person governing themselves,
Speaker 7: without a person having standards and morals and ethics, it's
Speaker 7: a slippery slope. And I think I think we've seen
Speaker 7: that in our society these days, and that we have
Speaker 7: to really be people who govern themselves by a high standard.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, when I meet people that I don't
Speaker 3: know and I tell them I'm from Mina, they don't
Speaker 3: ask me if I knew Maria DeCamp Decampa mm hmm
Speaker 3: or Pete. They asked me if I know Berry Seal. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's a whole nother story.
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's why we left Mina and I raised
Speaker 1: my kids. My memoir, it's gonna say I hit the
Speaker 1: road squealing rubber, so I didn't have to raise my
Speaker 1: kids and Mina.
Speaker 3: But we don't know anything about that either.
Speaker 1: Barry Seal. So, yeah, Mina connection. What's the movie called
Speaker 1: American Maid? American Maid? I kind of got the down
Speaker 1: low from somebody that knows and Mina the other day
Speaker 1: about Barry Seal. Yeah, he thinks it's all kind of overblown.
Speaker 1: Barry Seal did come to Mina, but he thinks he
Speaker 1: wasn't running drugs into Mina. But he did come to
Speaker 1: Meno a lot, but not with drugs. Maybe we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that sometimes.
Speaker 3: That's a big, big subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Do you know much about that, Dad? Were
Speaker 1: you involved in that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah at the time.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 6: The one story I do remember a lot is that
Speaker 6: just one day prosecuting, the attorney was on our board
Speaker 6: and he came in and we were talking and he
Speaker 6: started telling me about this whole.
Speaker 1: Deal in the eighties.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, about Barry Seals and the drugs at all.
Speaker 6: He goes, it's way overblown. He said, it just wasn't
Speaker 6: that big of a deal, and they've just made it
Speaker 6: a big deal. It wasn't thirty minutes in A real
Speaker 6: good friend of mine who was an airport operator and
Speaker 6: he loved to be a policeman, so he quit that
Speaker 6: and became a state trooper. When he was a state trooper,
Speaker 6: he said, he crawled through sage grass and looked in Freddy,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to tell you whose hanger was, but
Speaker 6: he looked in these hangers and he would see different
Speaker 6: things going on, and he said, I'm telling you it
Speaker 6: was the real deal.
Speaker 5: But hm, anyway, so pick your story. Which one do
Speaker 5: you like better?
Speaker 6: I mean, he was seeing stuff come out of those
Speaker 6: planes and stuff go back in, and you could evaluate
Speaker 6: the planes and they had.
Speaker 1: Now didn't I remember a story you're telling me, probably
Speaker 1: from the same origin of planes landing in black darkness,
Speaker 1: like without lights.
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't remember that much. So I made up
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff for you. I forget.
Speaker 1: They probably did a version of the story of planes
Speaker 1: flying into the Mina airport without lights.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 5: I had a lot. I had a lot of people
Speaker 5: coming in and just talking, you know. I mean, it's fun.
Speaker 6: That's one thing I liked about my job was people
Speaker 6: just come in and we'd shoot the breeze and you
Speaker 6: heard all kinds of crazy stuff learned about Barry Sea. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: so m but it happened, There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah. The extent of Yeah, whether they were
Speaker 1: trying to pen Clinton, That's what I've heard is that
Speaker 1: like he was the governor and they were just trying
Speaker 1: to get him, and so they were like, hey, all
Speaker 1: this stuff was going on in your watch and you
Speaker 1: had something to do with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't think Clinton had anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm glad you like. I've actually considered doing
Speaker 1: a Burgeris podcast on the Mina connection on the you know,
Speaker 1: on the uh.
Speaker 4: It would be worth it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, expose expose mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That we're getting kind of in in the weeds
Speaker 2: a bad A bunch of people don't even know what
Speaker 2: we're talking about.
Speaker 5: I bet they do.
Speaker 2: Well, You're right. When I was a kid, you would
Speaker 2: tell people where you're from, and it was the ninety
Speaker 2: so if you said Arkansas, they would say Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: And if you would say Mina, they would say in
Speaker 2: the Mina area, they would say Barry Seals. They would
Speaker 2: they would talk about the Mina Airport.
Speaker 5: And if it was nineteen hundred, it was mister Pete,
Speaker 5: mister Pete. Okay.
Speaker 1: The one last thing, the graves, the Union soldiers that
Speaker 1: are also buried down there with what I assume is
Speaker 1: the segregated black section of the cemetery right where Petsbury
Speaker 1: that was clear segregated cemetery.
Speaker 2: Gary's got a good Union soldier story. Cemetery story.
Speaker 1: Well it I didn't go into detail about it, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's what it appears. It appears like
Speaker 1: the way I presented it. You might think that, oh
Speaker 1: those were Union soldiers, they were outcast as well, the
Speaker 1: way the way I understood it after I researched it,
Speaker 1: and it just I couldn't put this in the podcast.
Speaker 1: The Unions of Veteran Union union organization in Arkansas, years
Speaker 1: after the Civil War bought that plot of land to
Speaker 1: bury Union soldiers that now lived in Mina. Oh, apparently
Speaker 1: there were, because those graves weren't from like nineteen, you know,
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty four. Those men were not killed in the
Speaker 1: Civil War. Oh, they fought in the Civil War as
Speaker 1: UK soldiers, but died old men in Mina in the
Speaker 1: nineteen hundred.
Speaker 4: Interesting, you see.
Speaker 1: And so they bought that plot of land and buried
Speaker 1: those men there.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: But I mean they sold them the plot of land
Speaker 1: that was down there in this segregated, far off like
Speaker 1: not glamorous place, right, you know, So that was kind
Speaker 1: of interesting.
Speaker 2: That's really terrible, just that there would be parts of
Speaker 2: a cemetery.
Speaker 1: That would be I don't think that oh segregated that
Speaker 1: you would say.
Speaker 2: A gate of cemetery. I mean, that's just that's just terrible.
Speaker 2: I mean, just what that's just so so awful.
Speaker 6: I think you might be part of the problem, Clay.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm with Misty that that was. It was like,
Speaker 6: if you're a Union soldier, we don't want you in
Speaker 6: here with our people. We'll put you down here in
Speaker 6: the woods. And all of a sudden, Pete comes along
Speaker 6: and they go, Okay, we got a problem with this guy.
Speaker 6: Let's put him down here with the soldiers. This was
Speaker 6: their first Okay, all right, well so that's that's the
Speaker 6: bad area. Yes, so let's put these soldiers in there.
Speaker 5: I don't know. And what Misty's talking about.
Speaker 6: Another cemetery I thought was a big deal, But after
Speaker 6: I saw this cemetery, it's probably pretty common. Except this
Speaker 6: other cemetery is fenced then, and this grave is outside
Speaker 6: the fence. All these other graves are just facing east.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just clear as daylight. You go in
Speaker 6: the cemetery and they're all going to the east. That's
Speaker 6: where Christ is coming back from. This guy he's looking
Speaker 6: to the west.
Speaker 1: He's looking the wrong way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's in the sixty second Infantry.
Speaker 1: Division up the Union.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and ill, old dad.
Speaker 1: This is a different cemetery, thirty miles away, same county,
Speaker 1: north Amina. The small cemetery maybe fifty graves in the
Speaker 1: whole cemetery, maybe thirty, probably at least fifty. And it's
Speaker 1: just a pretty little rural cemetery, no church, no buildings attached,
Speaker 1: and it's like fenced in. All these graves, all faced
Speaker 1: in the east, way out in the woods like a
Speaker 1: bowshot away.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's not that far from the fence,
Speaker 5: maybe ten yards outside.
Speaker 1: Of the Union soldier is buried facing west, outside of
Speaker 1: the fence.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 8: I went to a cemetery two days ago when I
Speaker 8: was turkey hunting. Stumbled across one and I saw there
Speaker 8: was one grave of a lady who lives to be
Speaker 8: one hundred and three years old. She was born in
Speaker 8: the eighteen hundreds, died in the eighties. And then one
Speaker 8: stone back into the right there was a gravestone from
Speaker 8: the eighteen hundreds of someone who lived a little boy
Speaker 8: who lived nine months.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cemeteries are so so interesting, And you learn a lot walking.
Speaker 2: You learn a lot about a place's history walking through
Speaker 2: the And I think you know, when we were when
Speaker 2: we were there, we weren't. We were as little kids,
Speaker 2: we'd play war off in the ditch, but we would
Speaker 2: when we were in the cemetery.
Speaker 4: You don't remember seeing Aria the campus?
Speaker 2: No, but Josh, really, I was reliant on my older
Speaker 2: siblings have more storytelling. Well, and maybe I was older.
Speaker 2: I mean I remember it. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: were to remember something when I was three, so I
Speaker 2: was probably like four to seven. I was very reliant
Speaker 2: on the older cousins and siblings in the group telling
Speaker 2: us what was going on. So I don't I don't
Speaker 2: have any memory that I remember. You asked me that,
Speaker 2: and I don't have any anym that. But does it
Speaker 2: say that she was from the circus killed? Yeah? I
Speaker 2: feel like that would have been so interesting as kids,
Speaker 2: I feel like they would have. But that was not
Speaker 2: I have no recollection of that. We would look for
Speaker 2: people with our last name. We'd look for people. I mean,
Speaker 2: that was the kind of stuff we were doing as kids.
Speaker 2: We were looking. Yeah, we but we I can't believe
Speaker 2: that that was right there and we missed it. I'll
Speaker 2: have to ask my brothers. I'll have to ask them
Speaker 2: if they because they were the ones.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of our generation knew about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, just wasn't talked about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 1: Well, well, to bring it full circle today, when I
Speaker 1: was carrying that turkey out of the woods, uh, I
Speaker 1: was envisioning there's a guy that. Have you seen the
Speaker 1: turkey coffin guy. No, there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: guy that. Uh, there's probably more than one guy, but
Speaker 1: I've seen a guy that has a little wooden box
Speaker 1: about this big, made like a coffin, and when he
Speaker 1: killed and during turkey season, he carries it in the
Speaker 1: back of the truck and he puts his turkeys in there,
Speaker 1: in the turkey coffin when he kills a turkey. And
Speaker 1: I actually thought that would be kind of handy because
Speaker 1: when you put a turkey in the back of your
Speaker 1: truck and drive down the interstate, it blows the feathers
Speaker 1: and if it's in my truck, that turkey would be
Speaker 1: flying out there. Has trouble with stuff in the back
Speaker 1: of his truck. He's got a camper top and it
Speaker 1: creates like an odd wind vorte.
Speaker 8: It creates like a tornado back there. And I've spent
Speaker 8: so much stuff on the back of that truck, can't
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm serious. If I put a turkey in there,
Speaker 8: would fly out. Well, juju, it's been such an odd
Speaker 8: here is anything.
Speaker 1: That you'd like to tell the people, tell the world. No, enjoyed.
Speaker 3: I've had a good time, and that's I appreciate you
Speaker 3: letting me come. Okay, but I have nothing new.
Speaker 1: You'll know that you you as a hero in Polk County, Arkansas.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, legend.
Speaker 1: She's how long have you been teaching school?
Speaker 3: Forty years?
Speaker 1: More than that, right, well, forty years five years ago.
Speaker 3: I went back to that two days a week. I
Speaker 3: didn't count that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Did you retired for four years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, forty years?
Speaker 3: I did that for four years. So and I actually
Speaker 3: actually worked last week. No, no, not quite.
Speaker 4: Is there a gymnasium?
Speaker 2: No, no, they need to do that.
Speaker 4: They need to do that.
Speaker 6: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been good to have you.
Speaker 3: It's been fun.
Speaker 1: Uh bear anything you want to say?
Speaker 6: Mmm.
Speaker 8: I heard a pretty good term this weekend for what
Speaker 8: you would call whenever you're working a turkey and he
Speaker 8: won't come to you and you slowly start moving closer. Okay,
Speaker 8: Bob Catton, Bob Catton, I thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2: That's a good We should have a section on the
Speaker 2: Bear Great Trender where Bear just kind of gives us
Speaker 2: new terms.
Speaker 1: I have a new term that's so good I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna say it on the podcast. Oh wow, I
Speaker 1: learned it today.
Speaker 2: You can't wait to use it like you just want
Speaker 2: to use.
Speaker 4: It naturally, Yeah, and get recognition.
Speaker 2: Will you tell me later?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, okay. One of my good friends, I can't
Speaker 1: remember who it was. It's ironic that I can't remember
Speaker 1: who it was. One of my good friends said that
Speaker 1: when you take someone's phrase, like if you like KOs
Speaker 1: three times, you need to attribute it to him. So
Speaker 1: the next three times that I tell a story about
Speaker 1: Bobcatton the Turkey, I'll say, now, my my son Bear
Speaker 1: calls it Bobcatton. When you move up, like, I'll attribute
Speaker 1: it to him. After three times, it's yours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just say I was bobcatting.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can respect that. Yeah, So anyway I'll use that.
Speaker 1: I've already done it once, So two more times and
Speaker 1: that's mine.
Speaker 2: What about how many times ago I've made that one up?
Speaker 1: The term, the term bear chaos, I'm attributing him to
Speaker 1: the to the tactic, and it kind of the chaos cackle.
Speaker 1: It includes fighting purs, but Bear's version of it is
Speaker 1: much more dynamic than just fighting purs because somebody could
Speaker 1: be confused and say, oh, you're just you fight and
Speaker 1: purred that thing in. But no, the chaos cackle is
Speaker 1: fighting purs hat on the wing beats, but busting up
Speaker 1: the the ground around and a wild cackle and cut well, buddy,
Speaker 1: when you pull it out, let it be the last
Speaker 1: stop because you've got nowhere else to do.
Speaker 4: It doesn't work, You're going home.
Speaker 1: If yeah, just get up and walk away after like
Speaker 1: eight minutes. If after you've done that, just go home.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: I think that we should probably come up with a dictionary,
Speaker 2: like have a Bear Grease dictionary.
Speaker 1: That ship where we Bobby cann't wait till you hear
Speaker 1: what I'm about to say. Todiva Lines is the one
Speaker 1: who's who said it to me on the phone today,
Speaker 1: and it's gotta be good.
Speaker 2: It's going to be good.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We could also include Clay mispronunciations.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that'd be a glossary of mis pronunciations.
Speaker 5: This chaos stuff, I find it's pretty truthful.
Speaker 6: I Turkey hunted till ten eleven twelve o'clock doesn't happened.
Speaker 6: So I found me a place to take a nap.
Speaker 6: And before I took a nap, I just did every
Speaker 6: call I knew as loud as I could. And then
Speaker 6: I went to sleep. And about an hour later I
Speaker 6: heard people walking around me. I thought opened one eye
Speaker 6: or two big gobblers walking, you know, walking all around me.
Speaker 4: Man, they heard that call.
Speaker 1: Did you kill them?
Speaker 5: No, by the time I got to my gun that
Speaker 5: they were gone.
Speaker 1: So you tried to just kind of spring it.
Speaker 5: I think I might have shot at one of them.
Speaker 5: I can't remember, but that happened to me one time.
Speaker 8: Not gobblers, but I called, took a night, woke up
Speaker 8: and there was a hen plucking all around me.
Speaker 4: That's the most Shepherd classic, right, fun.
Speaker 1: Well, this has been a very I don't even want
Speaker 1: it to end. That we could just keep talking here,
Speaker 1: but this has been This has been really good. The
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Speaker 1: my Tacba's snake boots yeah delivered. Yeah, Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: love you all.
Speaker 4: Indeed, keep the wild places wild.
Speaker 1: You got it, buddy,