1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much, Carol Master. Just to 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: reset here, I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: Television and for Bloomberg Radio. We begin tonight with the 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: big story. The House of Representatives has voted to impeach 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump for a second time. We are 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: anticipating new comment from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi this hour, 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: and we will bring you those headlines as they happen. Meanwhile, 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: still no word yet on when Speaker Pelosi will deliver 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: the impeach the articles of impeachment to the Republican controlled Senate, 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: and the timetable for there to be an impeachment trial, 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: led of course by set A majority Leader Mitch McConnell. 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: We've got sound on all of these developments, but let's 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: begin with Speaker Pelosi. Here's what she had to say 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: earlier today. We know that the President of the United 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: States incited this insurrection, disarmed rebellion against our common country. 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: He must go. He is a clear and present danger 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: to the nation that we all love. Meanwhile, House Minority 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: Leader Kevin McCarthy, one of the the top Republicans in 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives, also spoke on the floor of 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: the House. We've got sound on that as well. Here 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: he is, But here is what a vote to impeach 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: would do. A vote to impeach would further divide this nation. 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: A vote to impeach will further fan the flames the 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: partisan division. It comes as a remarkable division within the 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: Republican Party continues to emerge as lawmakers, including Liz Cheney, 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: the third highest ranking official in the House of Representatives 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: for the Republicans, voted to impeach President Trump. We have 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: a lawmaker who was just stepped off of the House floor, 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: Congressman Andy Levin. He is a Democrat joining us, and 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate your time, Congressman uh. In terms of procedure 31 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: and process, when do you expect, sir, for the Senate 32 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: to take up these articles, that the the impeachment articles. 33 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think it could happen very fast if 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: there's a meeting of the minds between the parties over there, 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean the Democrats and Republicans over there about how 36 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: to proceed um. So it could absolutely happen next week. 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: And and as we just you know, and happened quickly too, 38 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: and as we move forward, now less than a week 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: until the inauguration and President elect Joe Biden has sworn 40 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: in Congressman Levin. There have been multiple reports about concerns 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: that the Capitol Police Force, some members of them, might 42 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: have been helping some of the insurrectionists. Where does that 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: investigation stand and what have lawmakers been briefed about that 44 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: particular issue. Well, so, as you know, Kevin, there uh 45 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: in in one here, there's a tremendous amount of evidence, 46 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: real time documentary usually video evidence of what transpired. The 47 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: FBI has tens and tens of thousands of uh you know, 48 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: videos and other documents they've been given, and they need 49 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: time to go through all those. But we know that 50 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: at least a small number of Capitol Police officers facilitated, uh, 51 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: some of the insurrectionists. But you saw Kevin also, so 52 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: many of the Capitol police officers who were there, they 53 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: weren't They were outmanned, you know, but they fought bravely 54 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: to defend us. And that's the point we really need 55 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: to make, we really need to make. I mean, look, 56 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: I have in my own experience, you know, I never 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: thought i'd see something like this in the US capital. 58 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I was in Cheung Do in China during the Tenmen massacre, 59 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: and I saw people killed before my eyes fighting to 60 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: for democracy at the last gap there. I was in 61 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: hay the their first attempt to have a presidential election 62 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: after the Duvali dictatorship, and we came under gunfire at 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: a polling place. The idea that members of Congress, we're 64 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: putting on gas masks and hiding under seats in the 65 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: gallery because a violent um group of domestic terrorists were 66 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: overrunning the capital. I must admit it's still isn't it 67 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: still hard to believe it happened. And so it's that 68 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: it was a huge security lapse, and that's bad enough 69 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: in and of itself. And I hear that and and 70 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: and quite honestly, this entire city and I and I 71 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: say the word city, and the staffs and your staffs 72 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: and and journalists and and and you know, everyone connected 73 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: to the ecosystem that is politics coming out of America's 74 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: capital still very much processing. Processing is the right word. 75 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: Processing the developments of what's transpired over the nest that 76 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: last week and looking forward to the inauguration. And you 77 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: brought it up your your work, uh internationally and geo politically, 78 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: you are a member of course of the House Foreign 79 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: Affairs Committee. What message has America projected to the world 80 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: in the past week. Well, you know, let me let 81 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: me put a different spin on this, Kevin, because I'm 82 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: someone who believes that that the U. S Should be 83 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: more humble in our relations with other countries. You know, 84 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times, the biggest kid in the sandbox, 85 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: the ideal thing is for them to be friendly and 86 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: not a bully and not lorded over other the other 87 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: kids the sandbox. So I think this is a moment 88 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: where we said, well, hey, look, we're a democracy like 89 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: any other. We have our foibles. This was probably our 90 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: most fragile moment ever, or at least in since the 91 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: Civil War. And so yes, uh, we we know that 92 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: we need to work with other countries to grow and 93 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: protect their own democracies. And you know, that's that's the 94 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: way I'm taking it, because there's no question that other 95 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: countries who want an excuse to uh, you know, maintain 96 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: authoritarianism can point to Donald Trump to disregard votes, can 97 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: point to my Republican colleagues who said, oh, the voters 98 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: in Arizona are the voters in Pennsylvania. Whatever, We'll just 99 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: replace those votes with who we think should be there. 100 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: I mean that, uh, was a difficult thing, but you 101 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: know what, we didn't let them win. Joe Biden is 102 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: going to be inaugurated on January, and we're going to 103 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: open a new chapter of the American Democratic story where 104 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: we continue to perfect our union and expand people's rights. 105 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: I've got two more questions for you. I know you've 106 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: been so generous, Congressman Andy Levin with your time of 107 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: Michigan's ninth congressional district of Democrats. Are you confident that 108 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: the capital will be protected as well as other state 109 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: capitals will be protected next week on inauguration. I can't 110 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: speak for all the state capitals, but I think we are. 111 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that I'm satisfied with our 112 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: security set up at the Capitol here yet, but we 113 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: are way way ahead of last week. It's completely different. 114 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: We are deeply engaged as members Republicans and Democrats. UH, 115 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: and we're doing it with full participation of the Secret Service, 116 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: the FBI, the Capitol Police, and the Metropolitan Police and 117 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: the National Guard. So I think we're really going in 118 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: the right direction. I think we'll be there by the sure. 119 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 1: Final question how do you hope this changes the course 120 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: of American politics? I mean, what can we can we 121 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: get to a place where good comes out of this 122 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: and we and we we heal and at least get 123 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: a different tone I do. I mean, I think that 124 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: we have to say we're all small D Democrats first, 125 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: before we're Republican for weard democrats. Yeah, are Americans, but 126 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: we're we're Democrats and meaning we support democracy. And so 127 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: I hope that we stop saying, you know, a good 128 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: way to win an election is to suppress votes or 129 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: to have less people vote. I hope we get to 130 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: the point where we say, let's facilitate everybody voting. I 131 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: hope we get to the point where we say, you 132 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: know what, let's have the person who wins the most 133 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: votes be the next president of the United States instead 134 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: of this archaic electoral college system. I hope this spurs 135 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: more states to join the compact that would make that 136 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: happen in practice, even without a constitutional amendment. You know, 137 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: we don't need that many more states to join to 138 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: say they will give their electoral votes to whichever person 139 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: wins the majority of the popular vote in the whole country. 140 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: So I think there are a lot of things we 141 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: could do to show up our democracy. Look at Michigan, 142 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, such a battleground state. In we passed a 143 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: referendum to get rid of jerrymandering and have nonpartisan redistricting. 144 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: We passed another referendum to let everybody vote safely at 145 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: home via absentutee ballot and to make it easier for 146 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: college students and others to vote. And that really mattered 147 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: in the elections. So we know how to improve our 148 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: democracy and I'm we're just going to keep fighting to 149 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: do it. And the more participation the better. I mean, 150 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest lesson um on this election, 151 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: and that we have to protect everyone's right to participate 152 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: in democracy. Congressman Andy Levin, thank you so much for 153 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: your time. You He is, of course, the Democratic representative 154 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: from Michigan's ninth congressional district. He is also a former 155 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: labor organizer and lawyer. Uh talking to us about a 156 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: very another historic day from Washington, d C. Just to 157 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: reset here, I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 158 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: Television and for Bloomberg Radio. I'm joined by I'm joined 159 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: by Rick Davis. He is a partner at Stone Court Capital. 160 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: He is also a Bloomberg Politic contributor. And Rick, you know, 161 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: you hear that conversation with Congressman Levin. I thought it 162 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: was really powerful to hear him speak about his experiences 163 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: on the House Foreign Affairs Committee and his international travel 164 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: uh and and and the Communist Party of China and 165 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: what image America projected to the world this week. You know, 166 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: we sometimes forget that we are the shining star of 167 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: liberty and democracy around the world. And when you go 168 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: to places like the Congressman mentioned and see how they 169 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: treat their people. Uh, there's a real yearning to ensure 170 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: that our democracy appears healthy to the rest of the world. 171 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: And that question you asked him about how do how 172 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: does America look? And he said, well, let's be more humble. 173 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Is I think terrific advice because I've had the luck 174 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: of traveling around the world doing public policy and business 175 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: and and it is something I think people want us 176 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: to be successful, but they want us to be humble 177 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: in the process of doing that. But they want us 178 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: strong and they want to depend upon our democracy. So 179 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: I think that's an incredible, incredible point in terms of 180 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: the humility of the of the American moment that we 181 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: find ourselves in, which is, how does how does America heal? Rick? 182 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: And particularly I'm thinking of the Republicans who voted to 183 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: impeach President Trump, who are facing criticism from within their 184 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: own caucus, from the likes of Congressman Mac Gates, for example, 185 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: How does that process and I mean this from a 186 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: from a from a you know, a stoic perspective, how 187 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: does that process move forward? What are the next steps 188 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: in that process? Well, I think right now we're still 189 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: into reconciliation, right, I mean, after today's vote, Republican caucus 190 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: will look inward and they'll be uh, some reaction to 191 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: the ten Republicans who voted for impeachment. Uh. There will 192 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: also be an examination of the roles of some of 193 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: these Republicans in what happened a week ago, whether or 194 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: not there were members of Congress who actually aided and 195 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: embedded the attack on the Congress, And and and that 196 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: has to run through the system. Right now, everyone in 197 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: the House is feeling very defensive that they don't want 198 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: to be considered part of an insurrection, but they're frustrated, 199 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, by the politics of the day, and and 200 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: now there's going to be a split in the caucus 201 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: with those people who actively supported impeachment. So it's it's 202 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: a very complex environment right now inside the Republican caucus. 203 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: And I would say a real test for the Minority leader, 204 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, if he wants to be potentially speaker in 205 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: two years, if the Republicans regained control of the of 206 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: the House, he's going to have to show that he 207 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: can mend those fences. Well, a leader has to emerge, 208 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: and and right now this is a party, without question, 209 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: without a leader. Rick just said to to kind of 210 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: give people a glimpse behind the scenes. I think what 211 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: we're tapping into so much, so many of the questions 212 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: that I get from our audience pertained too. I think 213 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: it would be helpful to to give a glimpse behind 214 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: the scenes and how the process plays out in a 215 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: particular members office, right. I mean I always say that 216 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: the elected officials in many ways are like ceo s. 217 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: They have a staff UH and they candidly often have 218 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: two teams. They have their team back home UH and 219 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: and their constituents offices, and then they also have their 220 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: their Senate or their House office in Washington d C. 221 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: If it's an election year at in a third team, 222 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: which is the election campaign. I bring that up because, 223 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: based on all of the reporting I've done over the 224 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: past week, ever since this horrific incident occurred, the home 225 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: office of deeply conservative districts are at odds with the 226 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: Washington d C Office. The Washington d C Office is 227 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: saying the Republican Party has to move on, has to 228 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: from Trump, has to to move in a different direction, 229 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: has to try to look for a different direction. But 230 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: the ultra conservatives in these districts are saying, wait a minute, 231 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: President Trump's message is still resonating with with the elected officials, 232 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: uh constituents. Rick Davis, my question to you, some one 233 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: of the most experienced political you know, a strategist of 234 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: our era, how does a leader balance both of those issues? 235 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: Well that you you bring up an incredibly important point 236 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: that is overlaid with There are different sets of facts now. 237 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: In the old days, those used to be important pressure 238 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: points the district at home and what they need from 239 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: the member versus the politics of Washington, in the in 240 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: the in the caucus, you know what the leadership is 241 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: telling them to do. Now you have an additional set 242 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: of pressures, which is the President United States told my 243 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: voters in my district, who tend to believe the President 244 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: United States because they're Republican voters, that they have one 245 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: set of facts that the election was stolen, that it was, 246 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, properly taken, that the electoral votes were stolen 247 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: from him, you know that it was an illegitimate election. 248 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: And then you have Washington and have just gone through 249 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: this insurrection at the Capitol, who are telling you a 250 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: totally different set of facts that none of these none 251 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: of the evidence was presented that it was illegitimate election, 252 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: that repeated Republican judges threw this out in the states 253 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: that were contested, and at the time the electoral votes recounted, 254 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: there were no contests. And so you have a member 255 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: who has to reconcile not just competing constituencies, but at 256 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: competing set of facts. And I would say it would 257 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: help every single one of these members if we actually 258 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: enter a period of time where we all work off 259 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: the same unified set of facts and stay off social 260 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: media headlines. Crossing the Bloomberg terminal Senatement Ality leader Chuck 261 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: Schumer issuing a statement about a page long. He says 262 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: in the statement, quote Donald Trump has deservedly become the 263 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: first president in American history to bear the stain of 264 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: impeachment twice over. UH Minority Leader Schumer goes on to say, quote, 265 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: a Senate trial can begin immediately with agreement from the 266 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: current Senate majority leader to reconvene the Senate for an 267 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: emergency session, or it will begin after where after January nineteenth. 268 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: But make no mistake, there will be an impeachment trial 269 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: in the United States Senate. There will be a vote 270 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: on convicting the president for high crimes and misdemeanors. And 271 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: if the President is convicted, there will be a vote 272 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: on barring him from running again. UH. So there you 273 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: have it. Likely the UH well, the incoming Senate UH 274 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: and Leader McConnell. Some more pressure being put on Leader 275 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: McConnell from the Democrats. Let's bring into this conversation Brandon Neil, 276 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: who is a Democratic strategist who previously worked and the 277 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: Obama administration. Brandon is also a former political director for 278 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: the d n C in two thousand and sixteen and 279 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: the former deputy chief of staff and political advisor UH 280 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: and senior advisor to Peete Buddha Judges presidential campaign Brandon, 281 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: what pressure is now on the Senate in terms of 282 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: the process of there being a Senate trial now that 283 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: President Trump has been impeached again, Hey, well thanks for 284 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: having me on, Kevin. I mean, look, I think let's 285 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: just set the tone for next week. At this time, 286 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: we have a new president, Joseph our Biden will be 287 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: the president president of the United States at this time, 288 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: so I think all action and all eyes are on 289 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: next week. I think moving forward there will be room 290 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: for a conversation to focus on the impeachment. But I 291 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: think with the new Biden administration, they will be focused 292 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: on the first one days in terms of his administration, uh, 293 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: President Biden. Luck Biden has talked about his agenda you 294 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: know tomorrow, talking about the COVID response in terms of 295 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: vaccination and what the plan is for the next one 296 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: hundred days. He also talked about what he plans to 297 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: roll out in terms of working with the members of Congress. 298 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: It relates to his agenda. But I think that you know, 299 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: he's done a great job of not focusing on this 300 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: particular you know, impeachment and focusing on the hearing. And 301 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: he's really going to rely on the Senate, the new 302 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: leadership to come in and take advisement of the Senate. 303 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: Let me let me follow up in terms of the process, 304 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: because the Senate impeachment trial, of course, it will will 305 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: take up all of the political oxygen in the room 306 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: for for for so to speak of of Washington, d C. 307 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: For a trial. A trial, as as multiple experts have 308 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: come out and said, is incredibly important to building a narrative, 309 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: finding evidence, getting testimony and whatnot. But President elect Biden 310 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: still needs his confirmations confirmed so that he can have 311 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: a cabinet, so that he can govern. It's been reported 312 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: that President elect Biden spoke with Leader McConnell about having 313 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: a dual track, so to speak, of there being a 314 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: trial along with confirmation proceedings. Do you know, based on 315 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: your conversations Brandon Neil with Democrats that are you confident 316 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: that that dual track can can can exist at such 317 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: an incredibly tense political time. I do. I mean, I 318 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: have confidence in the President elect, confidence in our incoming leadership. 319 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: You know, I think with Senator McConnell in his leadership, 320 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: I think he is done a unique job of signaling 321 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: where he stands where and how he wants his current 322 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: president out without saying you know, we see yesterday as 323 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: we saw yesterday with Senator Chiney and her full support 324 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: coming out and also Senator McConnell Leuan McConnell's wife resigning 325 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: from her post in the cabinet. I think that there 326 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: are a lot more people who are board with his 327 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: impeachment than we that we think, uh that we are 328 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: aware of publicly. And I also think that there's a 329 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: history between the President elect and Luna McConnell as well 330 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: to working together side by side and a sident and 331 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: establishing a relationship um and having that rapport. So I 332 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: definitely think that Senator McConnell Leuda McConnell wants to put 333 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: this behind us and move forward so that way we 334 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: can invest in the American p people and and and 335 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: do we do best at Americans and best Hey, Brandon, 336 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: this is Rick Davis. Thanks for coming on. And it's 337 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: a really good point about the willingness of Mitch McConnell, 338 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: who has not been known for his bipartisanship throughout his leadership, 339 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: is seemingly trying to make a partnership with with Joe Biden. 340 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: I mean, we know from reports that they've already talked 341 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: about what I likely stimulus package might look like, and 342 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: how Joe Biden is looking to have Republican support for 343 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: a stimulus package even though he's got Democratic control of 344 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: both the House and the Senate. And and and I 345 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: think it's worth looking into your thoughts about who will 346 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: be the new Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer, and how he 347 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: may uh conduct this trial and and confirmations for the 348 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: Biden administration at the same time, because shortly after the 349 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: swearing in um there'll be a vote in the Senate. 350 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: And and and Chuck Schumer will be the one who 351 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: runs the the impeachment trial. Absolutely, I mean, I think, 352 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: uh sim of ther Schumer has definitely been an employer 353 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: in the field of leadership, and and it's not his 354 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: first time and the first you know at the rodeo. 355 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: So I think that you know, you definitely will be 356 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: inclusive and you know, someone who we can trust to 357 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: make sure we're doing the right thing and working in 358 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: tandem with both sides of the aisle and also the 359 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: incoming president to make sure things are are done correctly. 360 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: But I want to touch on something you mentioned during 361 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: your last segment in terms of leadership in the district 362 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: and a versus d C. You know, when I was 363 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: political director for Karen Bass, I worked directly with the 364 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: district office and also clearly we were directed with the 365 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: d C office, and my job was to unite, to 366 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: be a liasion between both offices. Oftentimes you know we're 367 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: all on the same side, but really communicate what's happening 368 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: from top down in terms of messaging and making sure 369 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: the people and the constituents in the district fully understand 370 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: what's happening. And so one of the things you need 371 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: talked about is when the underscore. What I think worked 372 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: very well UM and District thirty seven under the leadership 373 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: of Karen Bass is that the leader ourself would conduct 374 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: these town hall meetings, could happen on a monthly basis 375 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: and often answer questions directly herself and have that communication 376 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: where those of dialogue, so that way there was no 377 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: ambiguity in terms of what's happening on the district level, 378 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: what's happening here in DC to make sure people are 379 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: on the same page. But I think that type of 380 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: leadership and that type of style will work well within 381 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: the other district. That's well too, just in terms of mergering, 382 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: merging both staff offices together. Fully. See, this is fascinating 383 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna quote Tom Keen. I'm gonna 384 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: rip up the script for a second, because Brandon, this 385 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: is fascinating because it really offers a glimpse into how 386 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: an elected official, and a principle as the industry term 387 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: would go, how their job is actually governed and their 388 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: day to day, hour by hour job is. I mean, 389 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: how has the industry, not the parties, the industry as 390 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: a whole of the media is a massive part of 391 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: the changes with social media, the changes in cable new is, 392 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: the changes in print media, and and the viral news 393 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: cycle of journalism jobs. How has all of that made 394 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: it more difficult the fundraising the money. How has it 395 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: made it more difficult for an elected official too to 396 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: navigate those two uh factions of their offices? Brandon Neil. Sure, Well, 397 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: it's it's difficult, you know, in the sense of not 398 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: knowing what's factual what's not factual. But our job and 399 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: the member's job is to actually tell the facts and 400 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: tell the truth, and so between the media and between 401 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, all the potential UH noise, so to speak, 402 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: that can come from different, you know, different areas. I 403 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: think that can distract one's viewpoint. I think it's important 404 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: for the leader to provide those facts. And you know, 405 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: someone like the leader Bass and other leaders that I know, 406 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: you know within the UH, within within the party have 407 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: done a great job and continue to do that. But 408 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: I think it's really you know, sticking to the backs 409 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: and sticking to the communication and accountability with within your district. 410 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: You know. I think something I was just gonna say 411 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: what Brennan was saying about these UH ways these members 412 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: communicate when they get back and this will probably be 413 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: after the the case against Trump in the Senate when 414 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: they all go home for their district meetings and their 415 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: their town halls. Those town halls are going to be 416 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: some of the most fascinating exercise and political discourse you'll 417 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: ever see in your lifetime, considering what's happened since the 418 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: last time these folks saw their districts well and it 419 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: raises security concerns and just to bring everybody up to speed, 420 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've been hearing all day about the and 421 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: and seeing here in Washington, d c UH the increased 422 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: presidents to protect the capital, the various members of the 423 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: National Guard. Upwards of the thousands UH barricades built around 424 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: the United States Capital. I said this to a friend 425 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: when I was before coming on air. I have never 426 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: I have try. I've had the privilege to travel the 427 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: world UH in global to cover global forums. I have 428 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: never in my never as a reporter seen such UH 429 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: security measures in place as I have in this in Washington, 430 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: d C. Ever since last week. UH. And I mean, Brandon, 431 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: do you agree with that? I know you're a DC 432 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: based absolutely. I live on Capitol Hill. I live a 433 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: one I live one mile alway from the Capitol. Every night, 434 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: when I go to bed and say my prayers and 435 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: good on my knees, I look at the Capitol. It's 436 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: very majestic. There's actually a light shining on the Capitol, 437 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: and I saved my prayers every night. I'm very close 438 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: to it. It looks unrecognizable now. My running route when 439 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: I run every morning, I run by the Capitol, run 440 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: down to the Capital, run down to the mall. Everything's barricaded. 441 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: You see about twenty to thirty armed guards and in 442 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: several different twenty thirty groups of different pockets of groups 443 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: scatters throughout the entire capital UM and at least I 444 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: would say at least five hundred to a thousand arm 445 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: guards who were there. It's unrecognizable. And it's very unfortunate 446 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: because obviously this is the uh the great one of 447 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: the greatest cities UH really have in this country. And 448 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: it's just said that they have now because of what 449 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: happened last week. My neighborhood is now truly affected. UM. 450 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: And then it's so well said. I mean, it's so unfortunate, 451 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: it's so well said. But you really just captured I 452 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: think what I've been trying to you did it better 453 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: than me, Brandon. You just you just you just said 454 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: what I wanted to say for the past week, Brandon Neil. 455 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: But seriously, because it is and and it's and it's 456 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: I've been trying to think of our audience, Rick Davis 457 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, the business community and and 458 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: and I keep going back to, UH should this, you know, 459 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: heaven forbid have happens on Wall Street and and the presence. 460 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: That's the only parallel that I can draw in terms 461 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: of trying to describe just the significant UH Ethos shift 462 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: in the nation's capital over the last week, Rick Davis, Yeah, 463 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: I know that's exactly right, Kevin, And I agree with you, Brendan. 464 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: I think you just summed up what is in the 465 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: hearts of so many people who are living in the district, 466 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: who who saw the rape of the capital and and 467 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: now the resulting security barricades that are up. But but 468 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: like after nine eleven, like after you know, other assaults 469 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: upon our institutions, the thing that you have to look 470 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: forward to is the endearing pride that the American public 471 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: has reconstructing, you know, pulling together and and finding a 472 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: way to move forward some some some degree in unison. 473 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: And I really look forward to Joe Biden's speech when 474 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: he gets sworn into office, because there will be no 475 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: better time in current American history for leader to try 476 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 1: and pull the country back together. And he campaigned on unity, 477 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: and and I think as a retrospective of what's happened, 478 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: I think this is the exact time for that kind 479 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: of speech. Rick. Let me just follow up with you 480 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: here because and and all day and upping for the show, 481 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: I really thought, how do I how do I capture 482 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: I think what millions of Americans are concerned about in 483 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: the sense They're concerned, obviously about the state of affairs, 484 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: but they're also concerned about the notion that here we 485 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: have a situation where President Electoral Biden one, there was 486 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: no conspiracy. Uh. He was just impeached by the by 487 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives for a second time for inciting 488 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: the mob on the Capitol. You have seventy plus million 489 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: Americans who just over two months ago voted for uh, 490 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: President Trump, and they voted for conservatism. They did not 491 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: vote for a mob to to to insurrect, for the insurrection. 492 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: They did not vote for that insurrection. How do we 493 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: heal as a country? Rick Davis? And how do Republicans 494 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: navigate this while also balancing millions of Americans who voted 495 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: for the conservative ideologies and and do not want to 496 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: feel blamed for what happened. And I don't even know. 497 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: I think you know what I'm trying to get up, yep, 498 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: and I and I think today if you watched any 499 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: of the speeches on the floor of the House, you 500 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: have that very heated situation. You have the second impeachment 501 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: trial of this president in his term. Obviously, everyone is 502 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: shaken to the core by the events of a week ago, 503 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: and and it was pretty civil. I mean, you know, 504 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: when you look at this trial, uh, this debate in 505 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: the House compared to the one that occurred a year 506 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: into the presidency, it was night and day. And you 507 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: can only hope that that that kind of decorum. Even 508 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: though members disagreed fair enough, Uh, they kept their their 509 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: comments to being below a red hot temperature, which is 510 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: what it's been lately. And so hopefully we're entering a 511 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: new era. Bad thing can result in good outcomes and 512 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: and that could be uh, the great turning point if 513 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is able to use his leadership skills right 514 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: now for the country's healing and the members take the 515 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: hand that's given to them. All right, I want to 516 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: say thank you to Brandon Neil, who was a senior 517 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: advisor on Peet Boot to Judges presidential campaign. Thank you 518 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: so much, Brandon for your time. It's deeply appreciated. Let's 519 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: just reset here because coming up, we're going to be 520 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: joined by Pennsylvania's Lieutenant Governor John Fetterman, who is a Democrat, 521 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: and we're gonna ask him about the legal process forward 522 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: that many states like Pennsylvania are pursuing as it relates 523 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: to getting more information about who perpetrated, UH, the process 524 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: of the conspiracy. I'm Kevin CURRELLI, Chief Washington correspondent for 525 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. I'm joined by Rick Davis, 526 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: who is a Bloomberg Politics UH contributor. He is also 527 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: the former campaign manager to John McCain's President dential campaign. UH. 528 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: The big story, of course, tonight, the House of Representatives 529 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: has voted to impeach President Donald J. Trump for a 530 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: second time. It comes following remarkable testimony on the floor 531 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: of the United States House, and we've got sound on 532 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: tape from that. Let's take a lesson If these actions 533 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: he hasn't any hearings, He hadn't any he doesn't need 534 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: any long drawn out consideration. If these actions are not 535 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: worthy of impeachment, then what is an impeachable offense? And 536 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: Democrats can investigate the President of the United States as 537 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: Mr Hoyer went through, try to impeach him, investigating for 538 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: four years, but will not look at an election that 539 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: eighty million Americans half the electorate, eighty million Republicans, and 540 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: Democrats have their doubts about we must impeach and remove 541 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: this president from the office immediately. So that he cannot 542 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: be a threat to our democracy. I can think of 543 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: no act in the House can take. It's more likely 544 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: to further divide him the American people, and the action 545 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: we are contemplating today. There you have it, And in 546 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: terms of the next process moving forward, Senate Minority Leader 547 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer has already issued a statement in which he 548 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: said that there will in fact be a trial in 549 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: the Senate. He urged Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to 550 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: reconvene the Senate before January twenty, the date of President 551 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: Elect Joe Biden's inauguration. My colleagues diving into the Bloomberg 552 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: terminal reporting as that Leader McConnell has told Republican senators 553 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: that he's reached no decision on whether he'll vote to 554 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: convict President Donald Trump on the House's impeachment charge, but 555 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: that he doesn't plan to call an emergency session to 556 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: begin the Senate trial before January nineteen. UH joining us 557 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: now is the Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania, a Democrat, John Fetterman, 558 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: and UH, Lieutenant Governor, thank you for joining us. And 559 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: how have the developments of the past week played out 560 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: and the past day played out in a state like Pennsylvania, 561 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,239 Speaker 1: which was so crucial unfortunately to the lead up of 562 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: the insurrection last week. Sure, well, I mean that that's 563 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: a great question, and um, the bottom line is security. 564 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: I was just in Harrisburg today. We have you know, 565 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: armed soldiers with automatic weapons there, uh in and around 566 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: the capital, you know, in a show of force and 567 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: a complete revamping of the security for the capitol since 568 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: the events of last Wednesday that everyone was obviously so 569 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: shaken up by. On the prior Tuesday before that, you know, 570 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: we had a bit of a dust up in the 571 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: Senate that where they ejected me from the chamber, but 572 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: we also had a couple of hundred angry Trump protesters 573 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: on the front of the Capitol that could have easily 574 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: gone a similar route. So I think everybody's now has 575 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: a clear under banning that you know, we can't tolerate 576 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: any more of that kind of insurrection and that kind 577 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: of rioty. And I think, you know, certainly in Harrisburg 578 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: appropriate steps have been taken and I don't think you're 579 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: going to see anything like that manifest itself at Harrisburg. 580 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: But I am also utterly convinced too that the President 581 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: will retain a strong base of support regardless of how 582 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: the impeachment ultimately plays out, because that is the kind 583 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: of power he wield over his you know, core group 584 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: of supporters. Earlier, earlier in the hour, I spoke with 585 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: Congressman Andy Levin, He's a Democrat from Michigan, and there's 586 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: now been this open, uh conversation about whether or not 587 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: there were any unfortunately capital police officers who were uh 588 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: he used the word the congressman did sympathetic in terms 589 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: of what the mob had had perpetuated. He was also, 590 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: of course, very very careful to pray is the far 591 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: more who were heroes in that act, uh, of of 592 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: of helping to save lives of the lawmakers to stop 593 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: the mob. But there now is this open investigation looking 594 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: into a lieutenant governor uh communication between us these individuals 595 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 1: as well as law enforcement. And from your vantage point 596 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: at a state level, you know this the country is 597 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: in a state of of concern, rightfully, so about inauguration 598 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: day that state capitals are protected. Here in Washington, d C. 599 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: There is a heavy, heavy military force to protect the 600 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: nation's capital. So walk us through the process of what 601 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: elected officials and leaders should be doing to protect their 602 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: state capitals. In the week leading up, well, I I think, 603 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, reaching out to the other side and making 604 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: sure that the members of the Republican Party are firmly 605 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: in in lockstep with this idea that violence is unacceptable, 606 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: any kind of insurrection, any kind of anything, this idea 607 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden may not be your president, but he 608 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: will be the president. And emphasizing all of that, we 609 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: had a states we have a state senator in our 610 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: chamber that is being accused of helping participate or plan 611 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: and he paid for a lot of buses that brought 612 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: people down, and um, you know, there's been a lot 613 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: of calls for his resignation from the Democratic side, not 614 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: so much from the Republican side at this point. But 615 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: but you know, leadership at least in in the Pennsylvania 616 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: House and Senate, you know, strongly condemned the actions of 617 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: what happened on the sixth, and uh, everyone is on 618 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: board with the heightened security protocols, and you know, all 619 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: of these last minute challenges and all of this rhetoric 620 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: I think has changed to the point where now Joe 621 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: Biden one and I think that is critical to getting 622 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: to a point where we are not going to be 623 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 1: nearly the kind of contentious state anymore. I think the 624 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: most important thing that's happened, quite frankly, is d platforming 625 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: the President. I think ticking him off Twitter was the 626 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: right call, and I say that as an absolute, you know, 627 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: free speech absolutist, But what he has been doing to 628 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: the last too much is not free speech. He was 629 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: yelling fire in a crowded theater when there was none 630 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: and this idea, because Pennsylvania was so often the target, 631 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: we had a full, free and secure election, and you know, 632 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: anything that was said in contrary to that was a lie, 633 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: and everyone knows that that was true. And I think 634 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: one of the important lessons we need to remember is 635 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: that that that that kind of speech is not protected. 636 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: That kind of speech is not and cannot be tolerated 637 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: in a platform that can spread to people instantaneously the 638 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: way it has. So I think the platforming the President 639 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: and some of these other individuals is going to also 640 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: remove a lot of the fuel that could could fire 641 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: up that base. Uh, Lieutenant govern Federman, this is Rick Davis, 642 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: and I want to I want to pick upon that 643 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: point because I think it's really important to the debate 644 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: that we even heard on the floor of the House 645 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: today because so many Republicans go down to the well 646 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: and say, look, you know, it's not just me, it's 647 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: of our country doesn't have confidence in this election. But 648 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: partly is and maybe solely because those are the same 649 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: people told them they shouldn't have confidence in this election. 650 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Right when you go out to the American public and 651 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: you say this election was stolen, they're likely to believe 652 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: their leaders. And so my question, because it's ground zero 653 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: in in in Pennsylvania for you, and this point about 654 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: sort of what what's allowed on the internet and what's 655 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: not um, how do you use the tools of social 656 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,439 Speaker 1: media and in leadership to try and create a set 657 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: of facts around something like an election? It was either 658 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: it was either illicit or not right. I mean, there's 659 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: no real two ways about it. And how do you 660 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: how can we avoid this this sort of effort on 661 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: the part of of officeholders specifically to to use these 662 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,959 Speaker 1: kinds of facts to divide the country Because in Pennsylvania, 663 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: I suppose it's a microcosmo of the rest of the country. 664 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: If you believe your local congressman or your local senator 665 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: or your local state center, and they tell you the 666 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: election was stolen, You're going to believe them. Mhm, Well, 667 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think when when the post mortem is 668 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: done in all of this and whatever, I think that 669 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 1: would be one of the major fall of a length 670 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: like Twitter, for example, when when when the president would 671 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: tweet out rigged election, you know, and they would just 672 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: slapt that blue label on it, this is in dispute, 673 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, it's not. It's not in dispute exactly. 674 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: And and I liken it to a warning on a 675 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: pack of cigarettes. I mean, it doesn't stop you from 676 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: buying cigarettes, and no one pays attention to it. So 677 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: like they should have immediately deleted the tweet. It's like 678 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: you you are not allowed to yell fire in a 679 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: crowded theater. And the story you know, saying it's in dispute, 680 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 1: saying one plus one equals three is not in dispute. 681 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: It's one equals to I mean, so you're not allowed 682 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: to say that. It's like that is not again, not 683 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: free speech. That is um destructive lies. And we saw 684 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: what happens when that is unchecked. And this idea, that 685 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: flapping a blue labeled thing, this is in dispute. It 686 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: does their accomplishes anything is a joke and I stay 687 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: right there, Stay right there, because we're gonna pick up 688 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 1: this conversation with the tenant governor of Fetterman. I'm Kevin 689 00:40:47,480 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: CURRELLI this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On 690 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief 691 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. I'm 692 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: joined by Bloomberg Politics contributor Rick Davis of stone Court Capital. 693 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: He's a partner at stone Court Capital, and of course 694 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: he is also the former presidential campaign chairman for John 695 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: McCain's two thousand and eight presidential campaign. Stories that were 696 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: monitoring this hour, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi expected 697 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: to deliver some type of remarks following the impeachment second 698 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: impeachment of President Donald J. Trump. We are also hearing 699 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: that we should get some type of statement sometime this evening, 700 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: most likely from President Trump via video form. I'm joined 701 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: by Pennsylvania's Lieutenant Governor, John Fetterman. He is Democrat. I 702 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: want to ask you about this, Lieutenant Governor, because it 703 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: has been a really uh, difficult week, I think for 704 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: for everyone as we all are still reeling from the unfortunate, uh, 705 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: horrific incident at the Capitol last week. But one of 706 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: the things in your biography there are there are millions 707 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: of American students right now who either just graduated college 708 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: or they just graduated grad school. They're facing such an 709 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: uncertain economic uh A situation forecast. You were very involved 710 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: with AmeriCorps, and you were very involved with big brothers 711 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: and big sisters and mentoring. Actually a child who lost 712 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 1: his father to AIDS, whose mother also was battling the disease. 713 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: How important of a role did AmeriCorps play in your 714 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: pre Harvard education? Uh? And and you know what, what 715 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: do you think, especially parents who might be listening to 716 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: this in their car and their way from work, maybe 717 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: they can tell their their they're young, their their kids 718 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: who are just starting out some different options to get 719 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: through this pandemic. Oh well, A short answer is that 720 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania if it wasn't 721 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: for America because it offered me an opportunity to explore 722 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: some of the thoughts and ideas about inequality in our 723 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: country and and you know just how unequal these outcomes 724 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: can be based simply on the zip code in which 725 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: you're born into and being able to work and move, 726 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: uh and act against that. And that's what AmeriCorps. I 727 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: was in the second class of America, and it allowed 728 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: me to do a lot of that and a lot 729 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: of the things that that were I learned and that 730 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: we're important to distinctions that I picked up during that 731 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: time in Americorp informs me to this day. And and uh, 732 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, for students that are coming out in circumstances 733 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: like that, you know, services is almost never a bad option. 734 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: I think it's it's really an important one, and especially 735 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: now because of of how deeply divided we are, I think, 736 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, working towards gathering everything up and coming to 737 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: a better place where service has never been needed more 738 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: than it is right now. Quite quite frankly, it's it's 739 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: a it's a high noble calling and affords you to 740 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: dedicate a couple of years of your life and you 741 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: legitimately get far more back than than you give. And 742 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: I can just speak to how critical it was to 743 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: me and my understanding um of a lot of complex 744 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: policy poblic policy issues and it made my my graduate 745 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 1: work at the Kennedy School that much better. And I 746 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: think I'd like to believe it made me a much 747 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: better mayor and lieutin, a governor, lieutenant governor. I think 748 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: that's such an under appreciated aspect. You know. John McCain 749 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: used to talk about it constantly on the campaign trail, 750 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: serving causes greater than your self interests, and in fact, 751 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 1: AmeriCorps played an important role in his campaign. You know, 752 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: he was big on doing town halls and there were 753 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: always a passle at AmeriCorps kids right in front at 754 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: the town hall and he would always ask him to 755 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: come up on the stage, he'd give them first questions, 756 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: he'd bring him on the bus. And his whole point 757 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: was we should challenge America to serve these causes, you know, 758 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: and this is we talk a lot about how do 759 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 1: you heal your heal by getting people involved in causes 760 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: like this. There are a lot less likely to storm 761 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: the capital if they've just been through an AmeriCorps program. 762 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 1: And there, yeah, that you know, well said, and service 763 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: and humility to themes that have emerged from the past 764 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: hour on this program. Let me let me follow up here, 765 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor and bring it back to the to the 766 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: events of the immediacy. I spoke with the source and 767 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking of what the source told me 768 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: on the Republican side earlier this week, which was that 769 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani has summoned his former chief of staff from 770 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: his time in the New York City's Mayor's office and 771 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: orders is one of his closest long term advisors to Washington, 772 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: d C. In order to discuss in order to talk 773 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: about what likely is going to be legal uncertainty for 774 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 1: not only Rudy Giuliani, Steve Bannon and others who made 775 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: comments about the conspiracy theories pertaining to the election of 776 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,320 Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty. Pennsylvania was obviously at the forefront 777 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,240 Speaker 1: of many of those comments. Is it likely that people 778 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: in your state of Pennsylvania will bring lawsuits against UH, 779 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: people like Riddy, Julianni and others for the comments that 780 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: they made. Well, I I certainly, I certainly would support that. 781 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: I have to tell you it. Um. You know, for Pennsylvania, 782 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: we had record turnout and we had three documented cases 783 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: of voter fund that's it, three criminally charged case. The 784 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: fact that they were all voting for Trump, you know, 785 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,720 Speaker 1: having dead relative vote. You know, it might be behind 786 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: the humorous, but it illustrated how rare and impossible it 787 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 1: is to perpetrate voter fraud, usually on on a large scale. 788 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: So like, there wasn't one more state in this Union 789 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: that was more maligned than Pennsylvania and we actually had 790 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: an epic, smooth election that demonstrated that it works. And 791 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: and uh, I sure hope. So there needs to be 792 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: again fallout and ramifications because what what Mr Giuliani and 793 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: others said was not and never was free speech. That 794 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,919 Speaker 1: was malicious and and uh destructive speech that was all 795 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 1: designed to incite and outrage and divide, and it all 796 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: came home to roost the last Wednesday, and people need 797 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: to be held accountable to that. You can't say, well, 798 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know, of course you did. You have been 799 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: beating those drums for two months solids that Pennsylvania is 800 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: rigged and we were cheating and we're lying, despite you know, 801 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 1: affirmation from every court, even the Supreme Court with three 802 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: justices appointed by the President himself, all said that this 803 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: is garb it and there is no merit to this. 804 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: And still they persisted. In fact, if he had a 805 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: Twitter account, I guarantee you still he'd be saying the 806 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: same things. And all they would do is slept that 807 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: ridiculous label that this is in dispute. It's like, no, 808 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 1: it's not a dispute. You are a liar and you 809 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: are you're a traitor. I mean, I don't know how 810 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: else to say it. Like, you know, treat peaceful transfer 811 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: of power underpins our entire nation, and they've been attacking 812 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: that for the last you know, two months. And this 813 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 1: is an important this is an important follow up question, 814 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor, because you were the mayor of Braddock and 815 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: and you know you've opened the door to running for 816 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: Senate in Pennsylvania in two How will you take your 817 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: message to the thousands of Americans or Pennsylvanians who voted 818 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: for President Trump, who are still standing by President Trump, 819 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: who are that blue collar, working class Delco type of vote, 820 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: And how will you take that message to people who 821 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: adamantly disagree with what you just said. And what I 822 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 1: would say is that no matter how fervently you believe 823 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: that there was fraud, I can assure you there wasn't. 824 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: You know, we had an open transparent election. And there's 825 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: any number of examples like Representative Fitzpatrick winning his election 826 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: by thirteen points, but Joe Biden carrying his district. I mean, 827 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: there's any logical things, but at the core, I think 828 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: most people acknowledge that that Joe Biden did win fair 829 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: and square. And and that's the message I'm going to 830 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 1: stand in front of anyone. It's like, you can tell 831 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: me that Joe Biden isn't your president, and I understand 832 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: and even respect that, but Joe Biden is the president. 833 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: And you want to know why because you want a free, 834 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: fair and secure election in Pennsylvania. And I wouldn't stand 835 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: here before you if if there wasn't true. And the 836 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: simple fact is, you know, American democracy worked. We had 837 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: a lot of great actors, both on both sides. We 838 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,839 Speaker 1: had some some heroes rise to the occasion, and we 839 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 1: the guardrails held. And I would hope that I'm not 840 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 1: going to reach everybody in that regard, but I know 841 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: there are a lot of those folks on that side 842 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,799 Speaker 1: that are reachable and and and um, I think they 843 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,760 Speaker 1: know that it went too far and we need to 844 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: chart a different course. And those are the people that 845 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to hopefully reach because I've been consistent with 846 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: my message ever since the election, and I have been 847 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: proven right again and again and again. And you'd have 848 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: to believe that the Supreme Court on down is in 849 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: league and conspiracy with me in Pennsylvania to cling to 850 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: that belief that we had an election result that was 851 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: in any way rigged. Governor. Uh, you pick up on 852 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: a note that is I think important and talking about 853 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,919 Speaker 1: how uh much of a swing state Pennsylvania is now 854 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 1: and and what what are what's the hot button issue 855 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: that that politicians need to address now? You know, as 856 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: we pivot away from these election issues, we get a 857 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: new administration in Washington. You're at home, You've a state 858 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: to run, Uh, potentially a race to run in the future. Uh. 859 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: If there's one thing, what is it? Is it? Is 860 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: it the economy? Is that COVID? Is it some combination 861 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,399 Speaker 1: of those things? That's something else? Yeah, exactly. I mean 862 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: my gut, if we had a foreign nation or a 863 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: rogue army kill nearly four thousand of our fellow citizens, 864 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,839 Speaker 1: we would be outraged, and we would be unified, and 865 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 1: we would be looking to to pay back. And but 866 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: we've we've allowed a virus to feel four almost four 867 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 1: hundred thousand lives across, and it's so it's still going. 868 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, the fact that the tragedy 869 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: other than than is that we made each other the enemy. 870 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: And that's the kind of rhetoric and we've got to 871 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: do that first and foremost before we do anything else. 872 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: Really is stop arguing about mess you know, Okay, alright, 873 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: we got no is that any Governor. I just said, 874 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 1: we have to leave it there. And you know it 875 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't be me if I didn't say that you were 876 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,080 Speaker 1: right about the Pittsburgh Steelers faring better than my Philadelphia Eagles. 877 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 1: But I look forward to next year and maybe I'll 878 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,359 Speaker 1: have a different outcome. All right, Lieutenant Governor, come back 879 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: on anytime, John Federman. He is, of course the Democratic 880 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 1: lieutenant governor and now running for Senate in Pennsylvania, most 881 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: likely opening that door. Uh it's a Pat Toomey. See 882 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: he's not running for re election. Fascinating, fascinating. That doesn't 883 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: for me. Thank you for listening, as well as for 884 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: Rick Davis. This is Bloomberg